Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 8/14/2017 10:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If after a rat has been duplicated the 2 rats then have different experiences, such as one getting a electric shock and one not getting one, then they will no longer be identical and will behave ​differently in the future. I see no indeterminacy or

Re: A profound lack of profundity

> On 8/14/2017 10:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > If after a rat has been duplicated the 2 rats then have different > experiences, such as one getting a electric shock and one not getting one, > then they will no longer be identical and will behave ​differently in the > future. I see no

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 8/14/2017 10:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Aug 2017, at 18:25, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/14/2017 1:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Aug 2017, at 21:25, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/13/2017 10:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Aug 2017, at 19:06, Brent Meeker wrote: On

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 at 2:52 am, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/14/2017 6:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 10:31 pm, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 14/08/2017 4:20 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On Mon, 14 Aug

Re: R: Re: A profound lack of profundity

I red Gao's books a few years back. He was teaching at the University of Sidney if I recall correctly. I liked his stuff but didn't seem useful to my focused interests. Changing subjects, how about this for a BS thought? One consciousness, yourself, of with everyone else, spanning other Everett

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > I let you know that some people understand the result without ever doing > this thought I have no doubt. ​Some people on this list understand things without giving the matter any thought at all, in the same what

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 at 9:09 am, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > ​> ​ >> By their behaviour, rats show an operational understanding of >> probability. > > > ​That because a rat can remember the past and a rat can

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou wrote: ​> ​ > By their behaviour, rats show an operational understanding of probability. ​That because a rat can remember the past and a rat can use induction to make a prediction, and most important of all a rat knows if it's

Fwd: P vs NP result?

Forwarded Message Whoa. Anyone have opinions on this? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1708.03486.pdf "A Solution of the P versus NP Problem" Norbert Blum Institut f¨ur Informatik, Universit¨at Bonn Friedrich-Ebert-Allee 144, D-53113 Bonn, Germany email: b...@cs.uni-bonn.de August

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 14 Aug 2017, at 02:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/08/2017 2:51 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 at 9:38 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: I think the problem I see is in the insistence that one restrict the subjects of the duplication to first

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 13 Aug 2017, at 21:38, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:58 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: You try to help John C., but you contradict his "theory" (which is indeed based on the 1p/3p confusion). I suggest that the whole of step 3 is based on a 1p/3p confusion. If the duplicated subject

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 13 Aug 2017, at 23:59, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: ​> ​After duplication, the copies will not claim to be the same person any more, ​True but both will claim they are the "I' who yesterday asked the question "What city

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 14 Aug 2017, at 04:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/08/2017 3:25 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Aug 2017, at 01:46, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat 12. Aug 2017 at 03:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/08/2017 3:22 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 11 Aug 2017, at 13:40,

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 3:08 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 14/08/2017 2:32 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 14 August 2017 at 14:15, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > The point, as I see it, is that if, after duplication, the copies can >>

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 14/08/2017 4:20 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 3:08 pm, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 14/08/2017 2:32 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 14 August 2017 at 14:15, Bruce Kellett

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 10:31 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 14/08/2017 4:20 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 3:08 pm, Bruce Kellett < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On 14/08/2017 2:32 pm, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 8/14/2017 1:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Aug 2017, at 21:38, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:58 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: You try to help John C., but you contradict his "theory" (which is indeed based on the 1p/3p confusion). I suggest that the whole of step 3 is based on a

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 8/14/2017 6:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 10:31 pm, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 14/08/2017 4:20 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 at 3:08 pm, Bruce Kellett

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: ​> ​ > That both refer to themselves as "I" and claim have entered the duplicator > in Helsinki yesterday and asked "What city will I see?" is not > grammatically confusing at all. > ​ The question was asked

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 14 Aug 2017, at 18:35, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/14/2017 1:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Aug 2017, at 21:38, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:58 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: You try to help John C., but you contradict his "theory" (which is indeed based on the 1p/3p confusion).

Re: A profound lack of profundity

On 14 Aug 2017, at 18:08, John Clark wrote: ​As I've said many times, ​it's always possible to trace a unique memory pathway from the present back into the past, even a rat can do it, but doing the same thing from the present into the future is impossible because we can remember the past