Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you >> start from

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 29 Nov 2018, at 20:00, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 18:50, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 4:32:53 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:29, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:03:51 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 15:02, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 1:41:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you > start from the Hilbert space formulation of QM or an equivalent formulation > and you

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> This may be a simplistic pov, but since there was IMO no Original Sin,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

> On 1 Dec 2018, at 17:12, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 8:53:43 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 22:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 8:43:55 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 5:23:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Nov 2018, at 20:00, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 18:50, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday,

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perspectivism is a form of modalism. >>> >>> Nietzsche is vindicated. >> >> Interesting. If you elaborate, you might change my mind on Nietzche, perhaps! >> All what I say is very

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 30 Nov 2018, at 13:39, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Nov 2018, at 21:27, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:38:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 1:27:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Dec 2018, at 17:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 8:53:43 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 22:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday,

Re: The most accurate clock ever

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 6:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *But an ocean wave many feet high would change the gravitational field > less than would moving a centimeter relative to the Earth's center of mass.* Not so. In 1798 technology was good enough for Cavendish to measure the gravitational

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perspectivism is a form of modalism. Nietzsche is vindicated. Interesting. If you elaborate, you might change my mind

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 29 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 20:21, Brent Meeker > >> wrote: >> >> >> What is this "primary matter" of which you speak? > > > X is Primary means basically that

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 5:26:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Nov 2018, at 20:24, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Nov 2018, at 20:21, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> What is this "primary

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > *Obviously, from a one-world perspective, only one history survives for a > single trial. But to even grossly approach anything describable as > "Darwinian", you have to identify characteristics of histories

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:25:47 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/2/2018 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have. Semantics are truth “by definition”, by relativising it to the notion of model/reality. Then what is this "true" and "false" which you attribute to the propositions of modal

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 2:02:43 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/2/2018 4:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 19:22, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Perspectivism is a form of modalism. > > > Nietzsche is vindicated.

Re: The most accurate clock ever

On 12/2/2018 6:22 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 6:59 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > /But an ocean wave many feet high would change the gravitational field less than would moving a centimeter relative to the Earth's center of mass./ Not so.

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/2/2018 11:42 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> *Obviously, from a one-world perspective, only one history survives for a >> single

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On 12/2/2018 5:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 4:25:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/2/2018 11:42 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: * * *Obviously, from a

Re: The most accurate clock ever

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:29 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *> The Earth is 3.9e22 times heavier than Cavendishes cannon ball. * > The mass of the earth is irrelevant because we're talking about measuring the difference in the strength of gravity as distance increases not its absolute value. >> In

Re: The most accurate clock ever

On 12/2/2018 7:04 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:29 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: /> The Earth is 3.9e22 times heavier than Cavendishes cannon ball. / The mass of the earth is irrelevant because we're talking about measuring the difference in the

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On 12/2/2018 11:42 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: * * *Obviously, from a one-world perspective, only one history survives for a single trial. But to even grossly approach anything describable as