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Book Review of David Deutsch: The Beginning of Infinity
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/books/review/the-beginning-of-infinity-by-david-deutsch-book-review.html
Explaining it All: How We Became the Center of the Universe
By DAVID ALBERT
THE
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:48 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The replacement part could have a separate consciousness associated with
it but it must still leave the consciousness of the brain unchanged if it
replicates the I/O behaviour at the interface.
I agree if it replicates
Read all your commentscutting/snipping to the chase...
[Jason ]
Your belief that AGI is impossible to achieve through computers depends
on at least one of the following propositions being true:
1. Accurate simulation of the chemistry or physics underlying the brain
is impossible
2. Human
On 8/14/2011 11:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:48 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The replacement part could have a separate consciousness associated with
it but it must still leave the consciousness of the brain unchanged if it
replicates the I/O
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:20 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
This example is not specific to brain replacement with artificial
parts. It could be that a biological brain contains intelligent
subsystems that don't communicate with the person they are
implementing.
In my hypothetical
Jason Colin, I'm going to just try to address everything in one
reply.
I agree with Colin pretty much down the line. My position assumes that
worldview as axiomatic and then adds some hypotheses on top of that.
Jason, your original list of questions are all predicated on the very
assumption that
On 8/15/2011 12:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:20 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
This example is not specific to brain replacement with artificial
parts. It could be that a biological brain contains intelligent
subsystems that don't communicate with
Does Comp address ego little or not, or super human powers, or theory
brewing? How about miracles, and temporarily apparent,
and non-repeatable, break down of laws of physics?
For example, in the early 1900s, there was a man walking through the woods
and found himself staring at someone, just as
Hi Evgenii,
On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Bruno,
Let me put it this way. I guess that a Lobian machine could be
implemented, or it has been already implemented. So let us then take
some Lobian machine and then you demonstrate practically that such a
machine is
On 15.08.2011 17:22 meekerdb said the following:
On 8/15/2011 12:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:20 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
This example is not specific to brain replacement with
artificial parts. It could be that a biological brain contains
On 14 Aug 2011, at 20:09, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Aug 2011, at 23:07, benjayk wrote:
We are going in circles, because I am just totally unable to explain
what I
mean. I guess because words can't convey what I want to convey.
Probably I
am trying to argue something
On 15.08.2011 19:18 Bruno Marchal said the following:
Hi Evgenii,
On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Bruno,
Let me put it this way. I guess that a Lobian machine could be
implemented, or it has been already implemented. So let us then
take some Lobian machine and then you
On 15.08.2011 07:56 Jason Resch said the following:
...
Can we accurately simulate physical laws or can't we? Before you
answer, take a few minutes to watch this amazing video, which
simulates the distribution of mass throughout the universe on the
largest scales:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
All I can say to the debate whether your TOE is dependent on
consciousness
is that it may not assume consciousness, but this doesn't mean it's
independent of it, or prior to it.
I would say of course, except that independent and 'prior are a
On 14 Aug 2011, at 23:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 14, 12:05 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 13 Aug 2011, at 21:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 13, 1:39 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Aug 2011, at 14:30, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The further our
see if this helps..
http://s33light.org/post/8963930299
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 15.08.2011 07:56 Jason Resch said the following:
...
Can we accurately simulate physical laws or can't we? Before you
answer, take a few minutes to watch this amazing video, which
simulates the distribution of
On Aug 15, 5:42 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
We're already simulating peices of brain tissue on the order of fruit fly
brains (10,000 neurons). Computers double in power/price every year, so 6
years later we could simulate mouse brains, another 6 we can simulate cat
brains,
On Aug 15, 5:42 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
We're already simulating peices of brain tissue on the order of fruit fly
brains (10,000 neurons). Computers double in power/price every year, so 6
years later we could simulate mouse brains, another 6 we can simulate cat
brains,
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Aug 15, 5:42 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
We're already simulating peices of brain tissue on the order of fruit fly
brains (10,000 neurons). Computers double in power/price every year, so
6
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
Read all your commentscutting/snipping to the chase...
It is a little unfortunate you did not answer all of the questions. I
hope that you will answer both questions (1) and (2) below.
Yeah sorry about
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Suppose a teacher is in front of his classroom answering questions of the
student.
Then at time t, his brain stops completely to function, but a cosmic
explosion, happening ten years before, sent, by pure chance, a flux
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 15.08.2011 19:18 Bruno Marchal said the following:
Hi Evgenii,
On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Bruno,
Let me put it this way. I guess that a Lobian machine could be
implemented, or it has been
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
cgha...@unimelb.edu.au wrote:
Read all your commentscutting/snipping to the chase...
It is a little unfortunate you did not answer all of
On 8/15/2011 4:18 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
You seem to accept that computing power is doubling every year. The
fruit fly has 10^5 neurons, a mouse 10^7, a cat 10^9, and a human
10^11. It's only a matter of time (and not that much) before a $10
thumb drive will have enough memory to store a
I am more worried for the biologically handicapped in the future. Computers
will get faster, brains won't. By 2029, it is predicted $1,000 worth of
computer will buy a human brain's worth of computational power. 15 years
later, you can get 1,000 X the human brain's power for $1,000. Imagine:
On 8/15/2011 7:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
just like you can simulate flight if you simulate the environment
you are flying in.
But do we need to simulate the entire atmosphere in order to simulate
flight, or just the atmosphere in the immediate area around the
surfaces of the plane?
On Aug 15, 3:46 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 14 Aug 2011, at 23:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Why not? I'm just saying that if I've never been outside of Nebraska,
I will have an exponentially better chance of being able to correctly
imagine Kansas than I do of imagining
On Aug 15, 7:18 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
Try this one, it is among the best I have
found:http://www.ivona.com/online/editor.php
It's nicer, but still not significantly more convincing than the
On Aug 15, 8:21 pm, Colin Geoffrey Hales cgha...@unimelb.edu.au
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales
The solution is: there is/can be no simulation in an artificial
cognition. It has to use the same processes a brain uses: literally.
This is the replication approach.
On Aug 15, 10:08 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be a very surprising theoretical result.
Only if you have a very sentimental attachment to the theory. It
wouldn't surprise me at all.
Who cares? The main thing is *we can do it using replication*.
What is the difference
On Aug 15, 10:43 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
I am more worried for the biologically handicapped in the future. Computers
will get faster, brains won't. By 2029, it is predicted $1,000 worth of
computer will buy a human brain's worth of computational power. 15 years
later,
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 13, 8:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
The artificial device must replicate all the I/O behaviour of the
original neurons at the interface with the rest of the brain. This is
purely a
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