On Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:42:52 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> >> What test do you use to determine if it is still you after a certain
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> > You do half of the procedure, then walk them back off,
On Saturday, September 29, 2012 10:49:47 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Craig Weinberg
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>> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:41:25 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Craig Weinberg
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>>> >> But
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:41:25 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Craig Weinberg
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>> >> leaving that obvious fact aside, the other obvious fact is that
>> >> evolution has used
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> What test do you use to determine if it is still you after a certain
>> procedure?
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> You do half of the procedure, then walk them back off, then the other half
> and walk them back off, then you do the whole procedure and walk them ba
On Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:41:25 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Craig Weinberg
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> >> But
> >> leaving that obvious fact aside, the other obvious fact is that
> >> evolution has used organic chemistry to make self-replicators because
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On Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:42:56 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Craig Weinberg
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> > The principle is not the same. You cannot get a head transplant and
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> > that the 'you'-ness is going to magically follow the scalpel into your
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On Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:14:34 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Craig Weinberg
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> > The spark plugs don't fire in response to the will of the driver, the
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> > does. This isn't magic, this is the ordinary process by which we
> parti
On 9/29/2012 10:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Sep 2012, at 12:21, Stephen P. King wrote:
HEY!
It's nice to see other people noticing the same thing that I have
been complaining about. Thank you, Brent!
On 9/29/2012 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I *can* know the exact position of
On 29.09.2012 21:28 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/29/2012 5:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I have understood Brent in such a way that when engineers
develop a robot they must just care about functionality to
achieve and they can ignore consciousness at all. Whether it
appears in the robot or n
On 9/29/2012 7:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Yes, and the fact that we cannot know which one bears us "here and now". The QM
indeterminacy is made into a particular first person comp indeterminacy.
Where is the "here and now" if not a localization in a physical world.
Perhaps, but you need
On 9/29/2012 5:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I have understood Brent in such a way that when engineers develop
a robot they must just care about functionality to achieve and
they can ignore consciousness at all. Whether it appears in the
robot or not, it is not a business of engineers. Do you agre
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> The principle is not the same. You cannot get a head transplant and assume
> that the 'you'-ness is going to magically follow the scalpel into your head
> from your body. You cannot get a prosthetic head, because without a head,
> there is
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> The spark plugs don't fire in response to the will of the driver, the brain
> does. This isn't magic, this is the ordinary process by which we participate
> in the world in every waking moment of our lives. It is not the same.
> Building a
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> But
>> leaving that obvious fact aside, the other obvious fact is that
>> evolution has used organic chemistry to make self-replicators because
>> that was the easiest way to do it. Do you imagine that if it were easy
>> to evolve steel cl
On Friday, September 28, 2012 11:56:07 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> > You are contradicting yourself. 1) Nothing special about biology 2)
>> Evolution is utterly helpless to create 'complex things' until it stumbled
>> on biology. Please exp
On Friday, September 28, 2012 11:36:36 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg
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> > On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:10:37 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Craig Weinberg
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On 29 Sep 2012, at 14:43, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 24.09.2012 18:23 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/24/2012 2:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 23.09.2012 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 23 Sep 2012, at 09:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote
On 29 Sep 2012, at 12:21, Stephen P. King wrote:
HEY!
It's nice to see other people noticing the same thing that I
have been complaining about. Thank you, Brent!
On 9/29/2012 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I *can* know the exact position of an electron in my brain, even
if this will
On 24.09.2012 18:23 meekerdb said the following:
On 9/24/2012 2:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 23.09.2012 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 23 Sep 2012, at 09:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 22.09.2012 22:49 meekerdb said the following
HEY!
It's nice to see other people noticing the same thing that I have
been complaining about. Thank you, Brent!
On 9/29/2012 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I *can* know the exact position of an electron in my brain, even if
this will make me totally ignorant on its impulsions. I can kno
Pre-established harmony & comp in relation to Platonia and Contingia
I would also like to suggest that the pre-established harmony (PEH)
of Leibniz is more complex but still acts as Leibniz intended,
while one might apply traditional cosmological concepts to it.
Perhaps someone with more physics
Hi Bruno Marchal
1) A monad is something like a soul, to which a homunculus is attached.
Human humunculuses have intellect, feeling and body, animal
and perhaps vegetable monads only have feeling and body,
and bodies of matter only have the body partition. All are
considered to be alive.
In gen
Platonia and Contingia
We are all somewhat familiar with Platonia,
the Platonic source of order in the world.
I suggest that there must also be Contingia,
that being our contingent, everyday world, which,
following Boltzmann and the concept of entropy,
is the source of disorder.
I would also
On 28 Sep 2012, at 20:30, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/28/2012 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Sep 2012, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/27/2012 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or
other
machine to behave in a way not predictable by pure
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