On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:07:09AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Which assumes perhaps too strong a form of functionalism and/or digitalism
that runs into its own contradiction with 1p consciousness?
As pointed out in earlier post: With that move, it is no longer relevant to
On 01 Apr 2015, at 21:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 April 2015 at 22:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 01 Apr 2015, at 02:05, LizR wrote:
Well, no, there is no TOE that describes all features of the
physical
On 02 Apr 2015, at 05:34, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:48:47AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
I still don't see what MGA pumps intuitively and incorrectly, as
you seem
to assume that MGA is bad intuition pump, rather than good one
that
facilitates seeing
Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:07:09AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Which assumes perhaps too strong a form of functionalism and/or digitalism
that runs into its own contradiction with 1p consciousness?
As pointed out in earlier post: With that move, it is no
On 02 Apr 2015, at 04:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Apr 2015, at 03:58, Bruce Kellett wrote:
The digital simulation of brain functions is achieved on a
physical computer after all, which is a physical object itself --
simulating (primitive) physical processes.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that isn't an April Fool!
Well, this isn't rocket science...
In 2013, it was more
On 02 Apr 2015, at 03:12, LizR wrote:
Yes lots of people have said something like that (including me) but
the time aspect is addressed in Bruno's argument. (Come to think of
it you more or less addressed it yourself by commenting about block
universes. A computation can run in a block
On 02 Apr 2015, at 00:29, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:50:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
OK, but so you agree that MGA shows that if comp is true, matter is
of no use, unless we admit that a complex experience like a human
dream can supervene on a very simple trivial
On 01 Apr 2015, at 21:51, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/1/2015 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Well, no, there is no TOE that describes all features of the
physical universe yet.
But if comp is true, there is. If comp is true, the theory with the
axioms Kxy = x + Sxyz = xy(zy), or elementary
On 3 Apr 2015, at 12:26 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 02 Apr 2015, at 14:00, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 2 April 2015 at 18:26, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Anosognosia is the inability to recognise when you have an illness or a
disability, usually in
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Apr 2015, at 15:04, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Apr 2015, at 04:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Emulation is a dynamical process in time. I wonder where you get a
time variable for your UTM.
By a variable on the computational steps. It has nothing to
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 05:10:37PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Why are the limitations due to the size and/or age of our present
universe relevant if the computation is carried out in Platonia --
on a non-physical UTM?
If the computations are carried out on a real physical UTM then
On 3 April 2015 at 01:06, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
However, what you call my fuctionalism is a superset
of comp, and it may still be possible to replace part of the brain
with a device incorporating a hypercomputer, or even a magical device
animated by God, and preserve
On 2 April 2015 at 15:18, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
In practice Communism was evil but in theory it was just stupid
Almost as stupid as capitalism,
The defining characteristic of stupid is that stupid doesn't work, so
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 10:30:04AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The intuition pump is that the recording does not contain any
computation, which is embarassing for a theory of mind requiring a
computation. With stroboscope like argument, such a computation is
not even well defined, nor is the
On 2 April 2015 at 18:26, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Anosognosia is the inability to recognise when you have an illness or a
disability, usually in the context of neurological or psychiatric
disorders. This differs from being a zombie in that behaviour is affected:
if the patient
On 2 April 2015 at 08:30, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/1/2015 12:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I don't think it's impossible to prove comp true. If comp were not true
then it would be possible to make partial zombies.
I think that's the inference we're arguing. It's
On 2 April 2015 at 18:37, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I don't think it's impossible to prove comp true. If comp were not true then
it would be possible to make partial zombies. If partial zombies are
possible then there would be no difference between you having qualia or
lacking
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Apr 2015, at 04:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Emulation is a dynamical process in time. I wonder where you get a
time variable for your UTM.
By a variable on the computational steps. It has nothing to do with a
physical time a priori.
What variable? A simple
Temple Grandin could help out.
On 3 April 2015 at 16:58, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, you just have to kill them humanely, and I promise to take off my
heels before I stomp your foot.
(Or become vegetarian...)
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Well, you just have to kill them humanely, and I promise to take off my
heels before I stomp your foot.
(Or become vegetarian...)
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Jason, If I stomp on your foot, it is you who will feel the pain
On 02 Apr 2015, at 00:18, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You talk like if there was an insuperable difficulty brought by
the duplication.
Engineering difficulties only, scientific breakthroughs would not
be required to make a matter
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 9:13 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 April 2015 at 19:40, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 April 2015 at 20:50, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at
Succeed in what? in getting funds from some public institution, I suppose.
Never saw something more absurd. In Cuba there are some universitary
research on the power of the pyramids. I think that they may have some
success in getting funds for these spheres.
2015-04-02 0:02 GMT+02:00 meekerdb
On 02 Apr 2015, at 15:04, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Apr 2015, at 04:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Emulation is a dynamical process in time. I wonder where you get a
time variable for your UTM.
By a variable on the computational steps. It has nothing to do with
a
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On 02 Apr 2015, at 14:00, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 2 April 2015 at 18:26, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Anosognosia is the inability to recognise when you have an illness
or a
disability, usually in the context of neurological or psychiatric
disorders. This differs from
On 02 Apr 2015, at 14:25, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 2 April 2015 at 18:37, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I don't think it's impossible to prove comp true. If comp were not
true then
it would be possible to make partial zombies. If partial zombies are
possible then there would
On 02 Apr 2015, at 08:13, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:07:09AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
Which assumes perhaps too strong a form of functionalism and/or
digitalism
that runs into its own contradiction with 1p consciousness?
As pointed out in earlier
Jason, If I stomp on your foot, it is you who will feel the pain not I, nor,
will your poor toes pain be distributed amongst 7 billion others, just you.
When we can grow meats without the animal we'll stop slaughtering animals for
example. Sometimes compassion must be bracketed by what we are
My guess, Professor Standish, from what I have seen and heard from academics is
something of a sympathy for Islamist behavior, For example, the need to explain
away Jihad actions, is always cast as possible retaliation for what the US has
done or Australia, Israel, Canada, France, New South
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
A thought experiment is not needed to realize there is a difference
between I and you.
It ias moe about the difference between the 3-you
In other words he.
and the 1-you.
In other words I.
Like, the 3-you are in both M
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