Re: The MGA revisited

On 09 Apr 2015, at 01:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The primary physical universe certainly e

Re: The MGA revisited

Russell Standish wrote: Perhaps you need to study the UD algorithm. For any program x, there will be finitely numbered step on the algorithm when the first instruction is executed. Similarly for the nth step of program x. Presumably, for any given observer moment, only a finite number of steps a

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

John, I'll try to answer as briefly as possible. Please see below On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:03 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Samiya, good answers. I would have liked to 'see' that ALL* false* > messengers DO require worldly benefits - some may not. Jesus Christ did not > - > We believe that Jesus was

RE: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of colin hales Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:54 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time We can change things. Everything these predator

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

LizR wrote: On 8 April 2015 at 05:41, John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> you feel that you are the same person from day to day and year to year, even if you

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 8 April 2015 at 05:35, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or >>> Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? >> >> >> > We have agree that both the W-man and the M-man are the H-man. >> > > Yes but y

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 8 April 2015 at 05:41, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > > >> you feel that you are the same person from day to day and year to >>> year, even if you know this is an illusion. >>> >> > > >> How would things be different if this were not an

Re: The MGA revisited

meekerdb wrote: On 4/8/2015 4:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: 'Yes doctor' fails because the necessary starting conditions cannot be realized for physical reasons. This does not mean that one cannot create a physical computer that completely models the human brain -- in other words, you could c

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

On 4/8/2015 5:42 PM, LizR wrote: Brent: Communism is not a terrible idea - it works fine for families. A lot of political problems come from trying to extend ethics that evolved for families and small tribes to nation states of millions of unrelated people. Thanks Brent, I keep s

Re: The MGA revisited

On 4/8/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett > wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 8 April 2015 at 01:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> >>> > You left out "traveling through time in a forward direction". >>> >> >> Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or >> Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? >> > > Have you ever met anyone who doesn't feel like they

Re: The MGA revisited

On 4/8/2015 4:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: The main point is that for a physical universe to exists in some primary form, you have to abandon the idea that a brain is Turing emulable. Not so. You essentially admit as much in the 'yes doctor' scenario. If you are happy to

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

Brent: Communism is not a terrible idea - it works fine for families. A lot of > political problems come from trying to extend ethics that evolved for > families and small tribes to nation states of millions of unrelated people. > > Thanks Brent, I keep saying this but seem to get reactions along

Re: The MGA revisited

LizR wrote: On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett > wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I u

Re: The MGA revisited

On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The >

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

On 9 April 2015 at 11:53, colin hales wrote: > We can change things. > > Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their > soul-less, ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists > because we believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is happening as we > speak

Re: The MGA revisited

On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:20PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Russell Standish wrote: > >On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 12:51:30PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> > >>So no conscious moment, even in with a dovetailer in Platonia, can > >>ever be completely counterfactually correct, because there will

RE: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

We can change things. Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their soul-less, ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists because we believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is happening as we speak! And we allow it because we believe in zombies. This

Re: The MGA revisited

Bruno Marchal wrote: The main point is that for a physical universe to exists in some primary form, you have to abandon the idea that a brain is Turing emulable. Not so. You essentially admit as much in the 'yes doctor' scenario. If you are happy to replace your physical brain with one simul

Re: The MGA revisited

Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The primary physical universe certainly exists, Then computationalism is false. But what ar

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

It's already been the truth, but now with Silicon Valley billionaires and hedge funders, it's become a lot worse. How do we survive? -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 5:30 pm Subject: Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time Wow good c

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

If the state take ownership of the central bank things would even be worse Inflation would skyrocket for obvious reasons. The problem is the fiat money, and fiat money is what Keyes and their socialist friends were after. 2015-04-09 0:03 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona : > Inflation and deflation was

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

Inflation and deflation was precisely one of the mechanism envisioned by Marx /Keynes deprive people of their properties, so that the state would acquire all properties without the need to confiscatory laws. 2015-04-08 23:59 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona : > Well, the mixed economy of a central ban

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

Well, the mixed economy of a central bank that produces arbitrary paper money and big oligopolies of regulated, taxed and subsidized companies is not capitalism, but the mixed , social-democrat economy envisioned by Marx that would precede socialism, That is in the Comunist Manifesto, and Keynes

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

By the way I agree with the quote - well, banks and monopoly capitalism generally tend towards that "Monopoly endgame" that the West is now deeply into, where wealth acquires wealth for no reason to do with the production of useful goods or services, but just because it can. The only way to fix thi

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that! On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Thanks Brent! > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> For Telmo. >> >> Brent >>

Re: The Object

Good article Liz, I believe that physicists and astronomers tend to follow the teachings of mathematicians from centuries before, and to this list we can now add computer gearheads. To develop the research tools to makes discoveries predicted by math heads, takes a long while and a sufficienc

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

Samiya, good answers. I would have liked to 'see' that ALL* false* messengers DO require worldly benefits - some may not. Jesus Christ did not - would you call the luxurious life of the Pope of Rome - his successor(?) - a proof for false messages? Your replies are longer than I can go into at 94.

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On Thursday, April 9, 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 07 Apr 2015, at 20:48, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> >> On 07 Apr 2015, at 15:06, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, 7 April 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:40, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? > Have you ever met anyone who doesn't feel like they are travelling t

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 07 Apr 2015, at 20:48, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 15:06, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tuesday, 7 April 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2015, at 01:22, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I agree that if comp is true

Re: The MGA revisited

On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The primary physical universe certainly exists, Then computationalism is false. But what are your evidence for

Re: America: Bankrupt & Living on Borrowed Time

Thanks Brent! On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb wrote: > For Telmo. > > Brent > > > Forwarded Message > > > Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central > bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the > Principle

Re: The MGA revisited

On 8 April 2015 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Seems a lot simpler to have a primary physical universe. Then all you have > to do is explore it. > If simplicity is the key, then it's a lot simpler to have a Newtonian universe. In fact, it's even simpler to have one with just atoms and the void

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

John, please see my answers below your questions. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:08 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Samiya, please allow me one (two?) little questions: > > -- How can you tell a 'real' interpreter of God's words from a pretender? > -- and I do not only refer to the 'publication' of the entire