Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/07/2016 4:30 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 3:59 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: But they are not "one person". Although they share the same memories of before the duplication that have different memories afterward. According to that argume

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/28/2016 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 3:59 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 10:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 2:42 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 9:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: That is one of the paradoxical aspects of duplication -- the duplicat

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/07/2016 3:59 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 10:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 2:42 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 9:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: That is one of the paradoxical aspects of duplication -- the duplicates become different persons because of the dive

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/28/2016 10:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 2:42 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 9:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 12:32 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 6:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 5:56 am, John Clark wrote: If computationalism ​ is co

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/07/2016 2:42 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 9:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 12:32 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 6:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 5:56 am, John Clark wrote: If computationalism ​ is correct then everything about "you" can be duplic

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/28/2016 9:20 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 12:32 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 6:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 5:56 am, John Clark wrote: If computationalism ​ is correct then everything about "you" can be duplicated as long at the atoms have the correct

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/07/2016 12:32 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/28/2016 6:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 5:56 am, John Clark wrote: If computationalism ​ is correct then everything about "you" can be duplicated as long at the atoms have the correct position and velocity, not almost everything,

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/28/2016 6:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/07/2016 5:56 am, John Clark wrote: If computationalism ​ is correct then everything about "you" can be duplicated as long at the atoms have the correct position and velocity, not almost everything, not everything except for the 1-view, EVERYT

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/07/2016 5:56 am, John Clark wrote: If computationalism ​ is correct then everything about "you" can be duplicated as long at the atoms have the correct position and velocity, not almost everything, not everything except for the 1-view, EVERYTHING! If the machine can't do that then comp

Re: musings on time

2016-07-28 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 8:38 AM Subject: Re: musings on time On 26 Jul 2016, at 19:59, 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List wrote:    -- Original message--From: Bruno Marchal Date: Mon, 7/25/2016 7

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

2016-07-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​> ​ > there are two 3-1 "I", > ​No idea what ​ ​"​ two 3-1 "I" ​ " is ​ and very much doubt it is worth knowing. > ​> ​ > Turing emulable telepathy. > ​No idea what ​ ​" Turing emulable telepathy ​" is ​ and very much doubt it is wo

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> >>> ​>> ​ >>> ​ >>> "I" designates the M guy experience in Moscow, and the W experience of >>> the W-guy in W. >> >> >> ​>> ​ >> ​I know, and that's why that personal pronoun is ambiguous ​ >> > > ​> ​ > Only because you forget the 1-3 dif

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

2016-07-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Jul 2016, at 01:12, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>​>>​ ​In the 1-view, which remain both unique from the 1- view. ​>> ​​Then which one has​​ ​THE UNIQUE 1-view, the Moscow man or the Washington ​man? ​> ​Both, from the 1-p views, ​How

Re: Holiday Exercise

2016-07-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jul 2016, at 18:59, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​"I" designates the M guy experience in Moscow, and the W experience of the W-guy in W. ​I know, and that's why that personal pronoun is ambiguous ​ Only because you forget the 1-3 d