Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Sep 2012, at 19:19, meekerdb wrote: On 9/1/2012 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, that is for the first person time order, and thus for the physical time too, as the whole physics emerges from the first person plural indeterminacy. But to define computation, we need a thrid

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Sep 2012, at 20:07, John Mikes wrote: Bruno wrote: Intuitively it is the limit of the number going through your actual state in bigger and bigger finite portions of the UD*. Technically you need the logic S4grz1, Z1* and X1* to define it properly. We know it is exists if comp is

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2012, at 19:39, meekerdb wrote: On 8/31/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote: Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
I forgot some words: (of computations, in bold and underlined below). Sorry. On 01 Sep 2012, at 16:15, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Aug 2012, at 19:39, meekerdb wrote: On 8/31/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread meekerdb
On 9/1/2012 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, that is for the first person time order, and thus for the physical time too, as the whole physics emerges from the first person plural indeterminacy. But to define computation, we need a thrid person time, and for this one, as the UD illustrates,

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread John Mikes
Bruno wrote: *Intuitively it is the limit of the number going through your actual state in bigger and bigger finite portions of the UD*. Technically you need the logic S4grz1, Z1* and X1* to define it properly. We know it is exists if comp is correct, and so we an use it to test comp. The measure

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote: Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. In the computationlist theory, the digital discrete sequence

Re: Re: Re: Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-31 Thread Roger Clough
. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-30, 13:25:09 Subject: Re: Re: Re: What is thinking ? I think that thinking can be best understood as hypothetical feeling. If you start from sensation and allow that through time, memory

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-31 Thread meekerdb
On 8/31/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote: Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. In the

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Brian Tenneson
Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi John Clark Please define the term thinking. What is thinking ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/30/2012 Leibniz

Re: Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Roger Clough
: What is thinking ? Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi John Clark Please define the term thinking. What is thinking ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/30

Re: Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Brian Tenneson
- *From:* Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-30, 11:16:13 *Subject:* Re: What is thinking ? Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote: Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. In the computationlist theory, the digital discrete sequence 0, s(0), s(s(0)) ... is enough, notably to named the steps of execution of the UD

Re: Re: Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-08-30, 12:14:37 Subject: Re: Re: What is thinking ? Hi I agree with what you say about thought but the question was about thinking which to me suggests a process. The word thinking is a verb, meaning something (the thinker) is doing something (thinking). There is a dictionary

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread meekerdb
On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote: Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time. In the computationlist theory, the digital discrete sequence 0, s(0), s(s(0)) ... is enough, notably to

Re: Re: Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
I think that thinking can be best understood as hypothetical feeling. If you start from sensation and allow that through time, memory would elide separate instances of sense together, giving us meta-sensation or emotion. This can be thought of as an emergent property, as a melody is an emergent

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-08-30 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I donĀ“t know 2012/8/30 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Hi John Clark Please define the term thinking. What is thinking ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/30/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. - Receiving the