Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-31 Thread meekerdb
On 1/31/2013 5:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Jan 2013, at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote (to Craig): I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way to survive and be free without an equilibrium based on fire power. I wish that wasn't the case, but what

Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Jan 2013, at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote (to Craig): I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way to survive and be free without an equilibrium based on fire power. I wish that wasn't the case, but what's the way out? I don't think there is

Re: Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Mikes It didn't feel good. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-30, 17:45:12 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry Roger: it is obvious that you have not understa

Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough >> >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi John Mikes >>> You wrongly assume that the killing power of the infantry >>> necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I >>> believe in PEACE THROUGH SU

Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread John Mikes
ving the following content - > *From:* John Mikes > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-28, 15:04:01 > *Subject:* Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry > > Not with (money/power hungry) politicians we have nowadays. That, maybe > a "

Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:47:35 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 1/30/2013 1:03 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi John Mikes >> >> That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength >> induce

Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/30/2013 1:03 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:26:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi John Mikes That's the argument of the Far Left, that miltary strength induces our enemies to attack us, so we should cut back on defense spending. And any defensive ac

Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
sonal opinion is that they hate us anyway, > so cutting back will not improve things, and is less > likely to deter them. > > > > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* John Mikes > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-28,

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
gt;> it doesn't matter if they use more or less, powerful private interests >>>>> have >>>>> less incentive to lobby for war. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure that I understand the model. The flat rate would either >>&

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
n the >>> arms dealers would just play shell games and Ponzi schemes to give the >>> illusion of inventory. >>> >> >> Which is precisely what both the USA and the USSR did during the cold >> war. They used all sorts of tricks to create an exaggerated est

Re: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-30 Thread Roger Clough
ut my personal opinion is that they hate us anyway, so cutting back will not improve things, and is less likely to deter them. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-28, 15:04:01 Subject: Re: Re: The "fairness" argument a

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
gt; dealers would just play shell games and Ponzi schemes to give the illusion >> of inventory. >> > > Which is precisely what both the USA and the USSR did during the cold war. > They used all sorts of tricks to create an exaggerated estimation of their > own fire power

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
the other side. Peace, Telmo. > Thanks, > Craig > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Telmo. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> >&g

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread John Mikes
that the killing power of the infantry > necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I > believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. > > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* John Mikes > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-27, 12:31:

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
lling power of the infantry >>>> necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I >>>> believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. >>>> >>> >> That's part of the "Vietnam Never Happened" historical revisionist >> po

Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread meekerdb
On 1/28/2013 10:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Which is why game theory tends to produce results which are amoral and ideological. Amoral, sure. Ideological, I don't get it. I'm with you in strongly disliking war and violence, by the way. I just don't see a way to survive and be free witho

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
>>> You wrongly assume that the killing power of the infantry >>> necessarily has to do with imperialism or aggression. I >>> believe in PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER. >>> >> > That's part of the "Vietnam Never Happened" historical revisionist

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
; >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* John Mikes >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2013-01-27, 12:31:36 >> *Subject:* Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry >> >> Roger -� >>

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
g-list > *Time:* 2013-01-27, 12:31:36 > *Subject:* Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry > > Roger -� > thank you for your clear-minded post. I my add: there is a shortage of men > for the imperialistic politics the US seems to pursue and without resoring

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry Roger -? thank you for your clear-minded post. I my add: there is a shortage of men for the imperialistic politics the US seems to pursue and without resoring to general draft only the female input is hopeful.? John Mikes O

Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-27 Thread John Mikes
Roger - thank you for your clear-minded post. I my add: there is a shortage of men for the imperialistic politics the US seems to pursue and without resoring to general draft only the female input is hopeful. John Mikes On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > The "unfairness" ar

The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

2013-01-27 Thread Roger Clough
The "unfairness" argument for allowing women into the infantry is emotionally based, thus hard to defend against, so that regrettably I fell for it. The argument is that not allowing women into the infantry is unfair to women because "they are just as good as men" at fighting, and not allowin