Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-08 Thread LizR
On 8 October 2013 17:45, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Suppose his research showed that liberalized concealed carry laws reduced gun violence (a popular argument among gun-rights advocates). Then he wouldn't be gagged. So he was assuming the opposite conclusion in order to infer

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Oct 2013, at 22:58, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: you wrote: The US constitution is very good, but is not really followed, and things like prohibition have put bandits into power, who have broken the important separation of powers. Lobbying and the role of money in politics should be

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Oct 2013, at 00:01, LizR wrote: One thing wrong with the US constitution is that the right to bear arms meant muskets and flintlock pistols at the time, but has been extended to, for example, semi-automatic weapons. The people who wrote it were only aware of single-shot weapons,

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-08 Thread LizR
On 8 October 2013 21:24, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Oct 2013, at 00:01, LizR wrote: One thing wrong with the US constitution is that the right to bear arms meant muskets and flintlock pistols at the time, but has been extended to, for example, semi-automatic weapons. The

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 4:15:29 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Oct 2013, at 22:58, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: you wrote: *The US constitution is very good, but is not really followed, and things like prohibition have put bandits into power, who have broken the important

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Oct 2013, at 14:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 4:15:29 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Oct 2013, at 22:58, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: you wrote: The US constitution is very good, but is not really followed, and things like prohibition have put bandits

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Oct 2013, at 18:08, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Some academies are just prostituted to rotten (sometime) politics, often just to get enough funding to survive. Money is not the problem. Black, obscure and grey money is the problem. Wait, this is indeed the most fundamental question!

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: you wrote: *The US constitution is very good, but is not really followed, and things like prohibition have put bandits into power, who have broken the important separation of powers.* *Lobbying and the role of money in politics should be revised. But we are a bit out of topic here, I

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread LizR
One thing wrong with the US constitution is that the right to bear arms meant muskets and flintlock pistols at the time, but has been extended to, for example, semi-automatic weapons. The people who wrote it were only aware of single-shot weapons, even the colt revolver hadn't been invented! If

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread meekerdb
On 10/7/2013 3:01 PM, LizR wrote: One thing wrong with the US constitution is that the right to bear arms meant muskets and flintlock pistols at the time, but has been extended to, for example, semi-automatic weapons. The people who wrote it were only aware of single-shot weapons, even the colt

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread LizR
Yes of course it's mostly handguns, just as most deaths aren't due to mass shootings. Handguns are more common (cheaper, and easier to conceal if you intend to commit a crime). Firearms cause around 30,000 deaths/year in the US, apparently (plus about 70,000 injuries) - about the same number as

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread meekerdb
On 10/7/2013 4:14 PM, LizR wrote: Yes of course it's mostly handguns, just as most deaths aren't due to mass shootings. Handguns are more common (cheaper, and easier to conceal if you intend to commit a crime). Firearms cause around 30,000 deaths/year in the US, Of which 2/3 were suicides. I

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread LizR
On 8 October 2013 12:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/7/2013 4:14 PM, LizR wrote: Yes of course it's mostly handguns, just as most deaths aren't due to mass shootings. Handguns are more common (cheaper, and easier to conceal if you intend to commit a crime). Firearms cause

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread meekerdb
On 10/7/2013 5:29 PM, LizR wrote: On 8 October 2013 12:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/7/2013 4:14 PM, LizR wrote: Yes of course it's mostly handguns, just as most deaths aren't due to mass shootings. Handguns are more common (cheaper,

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread LizR
I've found the article I read... http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/10/gun_violence_epidemiology_garen_wintemute_on_mental_illness_and_background.html Unfortunately I haven't been able to find where I read that there would be restrictions on what research into

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread LizR
Oops, silly me, it was in the very same article. I missed it when I skimmed through to check... *TO: After recent mass shootings, hasn't funding for gun violence research received more attention?* *GM:* There is a proposal in Congress to allow for $10 million in research funding. But I suspect

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread meekerdb
On 10/7/2013 8:15 PM, LizR wrote: Oops, silly me, it was in the very same article. I missed it when I skimmed through to check... *TO: After recent mass shootings, hasn't funding for gun violence research received more attention?* *GM:* There is a proposal in Congress to allow for

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread LizR
On 8 October 2013 16:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/7/2013 8:15 PM, LizR wrote: Oops, silly me, it was in the very same article. I missed it when I skimmed through to check... *TO: After recent mass shootings, hasn't funding for gun violence research received more

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-07 Thread meekerdb
On 10/7/2013 9:08 PM, LizR wrote: On 8 October 2013 16:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/7/2013 8:15 PM, LizR wrote: Oops, silly me, it was in the very same article. I missed it when I skimmed through to check... *TO: After recent

The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Some academies are just prostituted to rotten (sometime) politics, often just to get enough funding to survive. Money is not the problem. Black, obscure and grey money is the problem. Wait, this is indeed the most fundamental question! *How knowledge interact with money and power in

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread meekerdb
On 10/6/2013 9:08 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Some academies are just prostituted to rotten (sometime) politics, often just to get enough funding to survive. Money is not the problem. Black, obscure and grey money is the problem. Wait, this is indeed the most fundamental

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/10/6 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 10/6/2013 9:08 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Some academies are just prostituted to rotten (sometime) politics, often just to get enough funding to survive. Money is not the problem. Black, obscure and grey money is the problem. Wait, this

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread meekerdb
On 10/6/2013 1:02 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/10/6 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net On 10/6/2013 9:08 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Some academies are just prostituted to rotten (sometime) politics, often just to get enough funding to

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread LizR
On 7 October 2013 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: All you've done is fuzzy up uncertainty reduction so it can serve as an explanation for anything. That was my objection of Nietzsche's will to power: In a straightforward reading it's false. After enough explication it's turned

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread LizR
On 7 October 2013 09:02, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: But there is something altruistic also (well the former is not so egoistic at last) Sir Helmunt Hillary climbed the Everest not only for himself, but for England. Because he wanted the flag of England to wave above all

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread LizR
On 7 October 2013 13:26, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 October 2013 09:02, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: But there is something altruistic also (well the former is not so egoistic at last) Sir Helmunt Hillary climbed the Everest not only for himself, but for England.

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread meekerdb
On 10/6/2013 5:24 PM, LizR wrote: On 7 October 2013 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: All you've done is fuzzy up uncertainty reduction so it can serve as an explanation for anything. That was my objection of Nietzsche's will to power: In a

Re: The ultimate reason of knowledge faith power and entrophy reduction, computabilty, evolution, the universe and everithing

2013-10-06 Thread LizR
On 7 October 2013 14:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/6/2013 5:24 PM, LizR wrote: On 7 October 2013 13:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: All you've done is fuzzy up uncertainty reduction so it can serve as an explanation for anything. That was my objection of