Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 May 2013, at 17:33, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/5/17 Bruno Marchal On 17 May 2013, at 12:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 05:39:50AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Art Funkhouser The documented fact that people have had "near death" experiences after death, after

Re: The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter

2013-05-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 May 2013, at 18:47, meekerdb wrote: On 5/17/2013 12:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It would not be an epiphenomenon, unless you think the soul as no power of its own. Materialist cannot keep both matter and mind. Why not suppose they are just different aspects of the same thing. That's

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 May 2013, at 22:52, Johnathan Corgan wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Salvia and DMT seem to have NDE like effects A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of having lived an entire alternate life in the few minutes of intoxica

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Why people do not include the original link in their mails is something I can not understand This is the article where the text was extracted: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/?p=155740 The most interesting thing is at the end: It reports a pacient resucitated after 40 minutes from a cooling st

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its ...

2013-05-18 Thread spudboy100
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Re: A thought on right and left hemispheres and reality - and their relationship to 'comp'

2013-05-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:13:56 PM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/5/16 Craig Weinberg > > >> If the first three assumptions define consciousness as software, then why >> would there be any 'extension' of the original program to the copy? >> >> Say I have a phone in L.A. with a G

Re: A thought on right and left hemispheres and reality - and their relationship to 'comp'

2013-05-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/5/18 Craig Weinberg > > > On Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:13:56 PM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/5/16 Craig Weinberg >> >> If the first three assumptions define consciousness as software, then why >>> would there be any 'extension' of the original program to the copy? >>> >

Re: D-Wave's Quantum Computer

2013-05-18 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 18, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote: >> I don't think D-Wave would be very good at factoring numbers, but that's >> OK protein folding is vastly, astronomically, more important. >> > > > I think you're underestimating the importance of cryptography. > Not at all, without cryptography intern

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 May 2013, at 22:52, Johnathan Corgan wrote: > > A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of > having lived an entire alternate life in the few minutes of intoxication, > and even being surprised and confused

Implications of Leibniz's Pre-Established Harmony (PEH) on free will and entropy

2013-05-18 Thread Roger Clough
Implications of Leibniz's Pre-Established Harmony (PEH) on free will and entropy Leibniz's PEH, in order to be calculable, must have both a beginning and and end of time. Obvioously it needs a beginning to set the initial conditions of the calculation, and an end or there would be no end to the

Leibniz's unintentional theology

2013-05-18 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's unintentional theology There's no Christ in Leibniz's metaphysics, so it's not a Christian philosophy. Yet Leibniz knew Christian philosophy, since he was a believing Lutheran. But, L does not discuss salvation, but it is a basis for his pre-established harmony (PEH) a theodicy he late

Leibniz's pre-established harmony as the Matrix

2013-05-18 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's pre-established harmony as the Matrix Leibniz introduced his Idealism to get away from what he believed to be the impossibility (as things stood) of mind and matter interacting. He gave a logical means to deal with it, which is the only logically correct version of the mind-body probl

That the mind continues to function after brain activity has ceased

2013-05-18 Thread Roger Clough
That the mind continues to function after brain activity has ceased The documented fact that people have had "near death" experiences after death, after electrical activity in the brain ceases suggests to me at least that the mind does not need the brain to function. This is also suggested by

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2013 4:31 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: traditional wishdom A freudian typo? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
A typo like many others In my side ;) What is embarrassing for me is that I´m incapable to see them even if I check the writing. I beg your pardon. 2013/5/18 meekerdb > On 5/18/2013 4:31 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > traditional wishdom > > > A freudian typo? > > Brent > > -- > You receiv

Re: That the mind continues to function after brain activity has ceased

2013-05-18 Thread smitra
So, why do I have a brain if I don't need one? Why don't I just float away while my body continues to type this message? Saibal Citeren Roger Clough : That the mind continues to function after brain activity has ceased The documented fact that people have had "near death" experiences after d

Re: The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter

2013-05-18 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Matter is a first person plural sharable border by collections of machines > which multiplied collectively on the set of all computations. > It sure would nice if you could unpack this sentence, word by word, to help make its meaning more

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread meekerdb
On 5/18/2013 12:33 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: A typo like many others In my side ;) What is embarrassing for me is that I´m incapable to see them even if I check the writing. I beg your pardon. No need for pardon. I think it's an excellent neologism with broad application. wishdom: n. th

Re: D-Wave's Quantum Computer

2013-05-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, May 18, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> >> I don't think D-Wave would be very good at factoring numbers, but >>> >> that's OK protein folding is vastly, astronomically, more important. >> >> >> > I think you're underestimating the impor