Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread LizR
Well OK, but that's *one* way in which randomness isn't quantum. On 30 December 2013 07:59, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/29/2013 2:37 AM, LizR wrote: > > On 29 December 2013 13:11, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > >> Jason and John, >> >> If something is random it can't be computed by any deterministic >>

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread meekerdb
On 12/29/2013 2:37 AM, LizR wrote: On 29 December 2013 13:11, Edgar L. Owen mailto:edgaro...@att.net>> wrote: Jason and John, If something is random it can't be computed by any deterministic process. That's the meaning. I thought the digits of pi were random, but computable by a

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Dec 29, 2013, at 4:37 AM, LizR wrote: On 29 December 2013 13:11, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jason and John, If something is random it can't be computed by any deterministic process. That's the meaning. I thought the digits of pi were random, but computable by a deterministic process? T

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2013, at 11:37, LizR wrote: On 29 December 2013 13:11, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jason and John, If something is random it can't be computed by any deterministic process. That's the meaning. I thought the digits of pi were random, but computable by a deterministic process? Well,

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum. There simply is no true classical level randomness. Have you gotten to step 3 in the UDA yet? It explains how true randomness can emerge without assuming QM. Jas

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
that deserves a separate topic. As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum. There simply is no true classical level randomness. There is plenty of non- computability which is often mistaken for randomness but all true randomness at the classical level percolates up

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Dec 2013, at 16:24, Jason Resch wrote: On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Jason, Have you gotten to Part III of my book on Reality yet? It explains how all randomness is quantum, and it explains the source of that randomness is the lack of any

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-29 Thread LizR
On 29 December 2013 13:11, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Jason and John, > > If something is random it can't be computed by any deterministic process. > That's the meaning. > > I thought the digits of pi were random, but computable by a deterministic process? -- You received this message because you a

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread meekerdb
On 12/28/2013 4:11 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jason and John, If something is random it can't be computed by any deterministic process. That's the meaning. That's one possible meaning, although it can only strictly apply to infinite sets of something. I think of "random" as just being an insta

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
>> >> John Mikes >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Edgar L. Owen >> > wrote: >> >>> Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the important >>> topic of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. &

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread John Mikes
ndom within the >> circumstances of the topic. >> >> John Mikes >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >>> Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the important >>> topic of the source of randomn

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread Jesse Mazer
t 11:40 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >>> Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the important >>> topic of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. >>> >>> As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum. There &

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
> John Mikes > > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > >> Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the important >> topic of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. >> >> As I explain in my book on Real

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread John Mikes
a new topic as they raised the important > topic of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. > > As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum. There > simply is no true classical level randomness. There is plenty of > non-computability which is

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" wrote: Jason, Have you gotten to Part III of my book on Reality yet? It explains how all randomness is quantum, and it explains the source of that randomness is the lack of any governing deterministic equations when the mini-space

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-28 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jason, Have you gotten to Part III of my book on Reality yet? It explains how all randomness is quantum, and it explains the source of that randomness is the lack of any governing deterministic equations when the mini-spacetimes that emerge from quantum events have be aligned due to linking at

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the important > topic of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. > > As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum. There > si

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
On 28 December 2013 19:45, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/27/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: > >> Assuming everything is quantum (as most physicists do) then clearly all >> randomness must be. >> > > But note that Bruno wants to avoid this by making first-person continuity > uncertain. > > Hmm. Not *exactly.

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: Assuming everything is quantum (as most physicists do) then clearly all randomness must be. But note that Bruno wants to avoid this by making first-person continuity uncertain. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro

Re: All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-27 Thread LizR
Assuming everything is quantum (as most physicists do) then clearly all randomness must be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+un

All randomness is quantum...

2013-12-27 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the important topic of the source of randomness that deserves a separate topic. As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum. There simply is no true classical level randomness. There is plenty of non-computability which