Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks for telling me Telmo, Have a good day, Bruno On 22 Jun 2010, at 11:42, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, Ok, nothing to add. I fully agree with what you say. Best, Telmo. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Telmo, I'm having a hard time understanding this

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, Ok, nothing to add. I fully agree with what you say. Best, Telmo. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Hi Telmo, > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this particular statement: > > > > "The lobian error is that prohibition at the start deprive its target

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo, I'm having a hard time understanding this particular statement: "The lobian error is that prohibition at the start deprive its target of its responsibility. Eventually it dissolves irresponsibility in a unsustainable economical pyramidal power which can only crash. Better t

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jun 2010, at 12:43, Rabbi Rabbit wrote: Dear Bruno, I am learning something very valuable from this experience. I think that, coming from different backgrounds, if we want to have an exchange of ideas we need to create a common language. My lack of a common language with you prevents me

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-21 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear Bruno, I am learning something very valuable from this experience. I think that, coming from different backgrounds, if we want to have an exchange of ideas we need to create a common language. My lack of a common language with you prevents me to follow you through your argumentations. I sens

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-21 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear Marty and George, I answer you together since you had some questions about translation. Regarding your question, Marty, I think you should embrace whatever interpretation of Exodus 3,14 that is most meaningful to you. Maybe, as you suggest, God could identify with Frank Sinatra singing "I fa

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, Thank you for the detailed response. I was aware of most arguments up until the self-referential machine part and, of course, agree with them. That part I'm still digesting, although I believe I understand most of your argument there. I'm having a hard time understanding this particular

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo, Nobody knows logic. Marijuana illegality, and the whole prohibition politics are based on error in the most elementary part of logic. And formal logic, a branch of mathematics, is virtually known only by professional logicians. Sorry if this is off-topic, but I would love to

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi rand, On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 8:56 AM, r wrote: > I'm not Bruno but here's my take: > > 1. The demands of those who use addictive/habituating substances are > without limit. > Surely that's not true? There is a finite amount of people with a finite amount of time to consume drugs. > 2. The

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-20 Thread r
I'm not Bruno but here's my take: 1. The demands of those who use addictive/habituating substances are without limit. 2. There is a finite limit to the number of attempts possible to deter supply shipments. 3. Such attempts will always fall short as the futile waste of money/time which they are. 4

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-19 Thread George Levy
Hi John Thanks for your appreciation. John Mikes wrote: Dear George, I was missing more of your contributions on this list lately (years?). Let me reflect to a few of your topics: *Chaos.* A decade or so ago I was named 'resident chaotician' on another list - later changed my mind when I wa

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-19 Thread George Levy
Dear Rabbi Rabbi Rabbit wrote: What is surprising about Abulafia is that he did not reach this state by suppressing his conscious mind, as most mystics do by repetition of a single formula/mantra, but by overstimulating it with letter combinations accompanied by body motions. Too much informa

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, > Nobody knows logic. Marijuana illegality, and the whole prohibition > politics are based on error in the most elementary part of logic. And formal > logic, a branch of mathematics, is virtually known only by professional > logicians. > > Sorry if this is off-topic, but I would love to

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jun 2010, at 17:03, Rabbi Rabbit wrote: Dear George, Thank you for your beautiful interpretation of B'reshit (Book of Genesis). By your description, I have the feeling that you think about Sefirotic Kabbalah. Briefly, Sefirotic Kabbalah believes that God emanated in 10 Sefirot (the mean

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-19 Thread m.a.
inclined to say:"I am what I amget used to it." Or with Popeye: "I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam." What do you think?m.a. - Original Message - From: "Rabbi Rabbit" To: "Everything List" Sent: Friday, Jun

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-18 Thread John Mikes
ongruent with your "consciousness filters out the world from chaos". I still feel that R.Rabbit would add more content to 'God' than just consciousness. (Cf: Bruno's 'Theos'). John M On 6/17/10, George Levy wrote: > > Hi Rabbi Rabbit. > >

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-18 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear George, Thank you for your beautiful interpretation of B'reshit (Book of Genesis). By your description, I have the feeling that you think about Sefirotic Kabbalah. Briefly, Sefirotic Kabbalah believes that God emanated in 10 Sefirot (the meaning of the word is unclear, the root "Seper" is re

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-18 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear John, In Kabbalah letters are numbers and vice versa. Regarding your question of what is the meaning of the Name of God, if you ask me, I think it is meaningless. It is pure, full presence. It is up to us to predicate something out of it and to turn it meaningful. Due to its claim of totalit

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-18 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear Bruno, Let me answer a few of your remarks. > Nobody knows logic. Marijuana illegality, and the whole prohibition   > politics are based on error in the most elementary part of logic. And   > formal logic, a branch of mathematics, is virtually known only by   > professional logicians. I thi

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-17 Thread George Levy
Hi Rabbi Rabbit. Welcome I haven't contributed to this list for a while but I have been reading it. Here is a possible connection between the Kabbalah and the Multiverse, which I will describe in a bulleted fashion for brevity. The initial chaos, "Tohu va Bohu," (from which

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jun 2010, at 01:04, Rabbi Rabbit wrote: Dear Bruno, Thank you for your ample and generous answer. I want to play with my cards on the table and I take as a rule not to pretend to understand what I do not understand. That is a good idea, especially if you want understand. I must c

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-16 Thread John Mikes
Dear R.Rabbit, thanks for the consideret reply and your willingness to expand your domain into relations with other domaines. You see, we are already in trouble with 22 letters (never mind 27, or the mathematical operator battle) about ONLY the NAME of God. What is in a name? whatever callers like

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-16 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear Jason, My assumption is that the Name of God, according to Abraham Abulafia, could be made of any possible combination of the 22 letters, as long as this name does not exceed 22 characters. This includes repetitions of letters and any combination between 1 and 22 characters. Thank you for yo

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-16 Thread Jason Resch
Rabbi Rabbit, Forgive me if I missed this elsewhere in your posts, but is there the assumption somewhere that the name of God is 22 Hebrew letters long? If that is the case and some letters may be missing and others repeated, then you are correct about there being 22^22 combinations. If every le

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-15 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Oh, bad, bad computer. In my previous post where it is written "" please read 22 raised to the 22th power (base 22, exponent 22). No HTML posting here, I'll need to take it into account! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-15 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear John, I feel most at home in a list about our ignorance! Thank you and Bruno for the warm welcome. Regarding your question, the wonderful thing is that we both are right. The Hebrew alphabet has 22 and 27 letters. There you are, an example of the multiverse! Not either-or, but both-and! The

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-15 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear Bruno, Thank you for your ample and generous answer. I want to play with my cards on the table and I take as a rule not to pretend to understand what I do not understand. I must confess you that your answer was for me as promising as it was obscure. I'll try to break down my doubts. > Ah!

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-14 Thread John Mikes
Hi, Rabbi Rabbit, welcome to our 'list about our ignorance'. You wrote about "ALL 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet (Babel)" so I clicked (as is my habbit) Google for Hebrew alphabet and found 27 letters. Also: texts I bounce into from Israeli sources look different from those images reproduced in

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Rabbi Rabbit, welcome, I entered to your discussion list from the back door. I am not a scientist or a philosopher, but a graduate student researching Kabbalah, popularly known as Jewish mysticism. We talk a lot about Plotinus in this list, and it is known that Kabbalah is related to Pla

Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-13 Thread Rabbi Rabbit
Dear all, I entered to your discussion list from the back door. I am not a scientist or a philosopher, but a graduate student researching Kabbalah, popularly known as Jewish mysticism. As others here, I knew about this site through "The Theory of Everything". I landed on the this book through Bor