Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 25, 2014 9:15:10 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jul 2014, at 04:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2014, at 17:07, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:21, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:21, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jul 2014, at 04:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:21, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct. Bruno's argument to

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding is

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding is that

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Craig, You still talk like if I pretended that computationalism is true. I don't do that, ever. But you *do* pretend that computationalism

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct. On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand what he is saying. My understanding is that if comp is correct, it is both 3p and 1p correct. Bruno's argument to me has been that comp is not correct in 1p. When I

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jul 2014, at 14:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, July 18, 2014 4:10:47 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the TOE elementary arithmetic (predicate logic + RA axioms), the input are numbers, and they obey the laws of addition and multiplication. They make more sense according

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 4:25:07 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to what inputs and outputs are or to the understanding of what truth is in

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:22:46 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2014, at 15:05, Craig Weinberg wrote: So much of our attention in logic and math is focused on using processes to turn specific inputs into even more specific binary outputs. Very little attention is paid to