From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Barry, re your: The prophet was just a man, as was almost every other
spiritual figure in history (unless they were women). People should just get
over their fantasies about these men and women.
Isn't the logic of your
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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The problem with *believing Muslims* is that they resist modernity and will
*never* fit in. They want the culture that Mohamed lived in in 700 AD and if
you don't accept that culture, there's something wrong
Re Racist-driven ghetto-ization you see in the UK:
In the London Borough of Tower Hamlets the council instituted the
state-sanctioned and law-mandated policy of giving public housing to those who
were most in need.
And who were they? The poor and those with large families.
But who were
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the
prophet. It only brings negative results, as we
12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the
prophet. It only brings negative results, as we have seen.
I simply cannot
: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the Westbut the Muslims don't
like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insultthe prophet. It
only brings negative results, as we have seen.
I
I saw a French film years ago about some young Muslim guys having a
tough time in France. At the beginning of the film, one of the
characters who also narrates, blames the crazies who blew up the twin
towers for their lousy life.
When Muslims come to the US some may have some fervent view
Barry, re your: The prophet was just a man, as was almost every other
spiritual figure in history (unless they were women). People should just get
over their fantasies about these men and women.
Isn't the logic of your position that believing Muslims have no place in a
modern, secular
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Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:13 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Barry, re your: The prophet was just a man, as was almost every other
spiritual figure in history (unless they were
Barry, re your: The prophet was just a man, as was almost every other
spiritual figure in history (unless they were women). People should just get
over their fantasies about these men and women.
Isn't the logic of your position that believing Muslims have no place in a
modern, secular
Re Bhairitu's : When Muslims come to the US some may have some fervent view but
are looking for a better life. They often wind up running their own
businesses. Over time any fervency seems to go away. We simply have the space
and setup to absorb them.
The US tends to get educated,
On 01/09/2015 12:02 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
The French have ended up with lots of Algerian goat herders. As the
native French are frankly racist it doesn't bode well for the future..
My TTC was in France and the townsfolk even looked askance at us. But I
had heard
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Lampooning
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Feste, what you say makes perfect sense to any sort of mature individual.
We all recognize that free speech is an inviolable part of democratic
societies
: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the
prophet. It only brings negative results, as we have seen
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the
prophet
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Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
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Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons
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Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West
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Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I
] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the
prophet. It only brings negative results, as we have seen.
I simply cannot believe that someone on this forum
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Ah, the bravery of theliberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherishedbeliefs just because
One makes interesting friends as a TM teacher. Living back in my small
hometown in the 1980s one of them was the local church pastor who was
also into computers. His son once visiting with a high school friend
spotted my picture of SBS and said his dad would not approve. Little
did he know
Bingo.
If you have a somewhat more philosophical take on this,
1.) first you a grouped with the religious crowd
2.) then, next comes the hammer of the epistemolgical argument, which again
reduces religion to it's stone age origin.
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
:
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
It is easy to talk grandly on a Yahoo group about the“responsibilities of
thinking people,” but I stick to my original point:deliberate provocation of
Muslims
:
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the Westbut the Muslims don't
like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the
prophet. It only brings negative
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From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the Westbut the Muslims don't
like it so I see no purpose in doing
as crazy as the
radical Islamists are.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
It is easy to talk grandly on a Yahoo group about the “responsibilities
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:31 PM
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You're starting to scare me, feste, so I'm going to curtail any further
discussions of this with you. It's like you have this blind spot about
religion, deceiving
Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to.
I'm sorry, but you and the Right Wing do not get to own this argument. I hear
this shit from my libertarian and tea bagger friends all the time, that
somehow,
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Aww come on, he's not saying that Barry - he's just saying that publishing
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Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
You're starting to scare me, feste, so I'm going to curtail any further
discussions
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Now the Catholics weigh in:
After Charlie Hebdo attack, U.S. Catholic group says cartoonists ‘provoked’
slaughter
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The thing that bothered me about the movie I reviewed here the other day, I
Origins is they were a bit naive about the difference between religion and
spirituality. The Pitt character is actually arguing spirituality not
religion. But the writer even had one Indian character ask him if he is
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Aww come on, he's not saying that Barry - he's just saying that publishing
cartoons that deliberately offend Islam is like waving the red cape in front of
a bull - its just not a good idea.
And I
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may
From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Ah, the bravery of theliberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherishedbeliefs just because they want to.
I'm sorry, but you and the Right Wing do not get to own this argument. I hear
this shit from my libertarian and tea
Don't forget that Christianity also supplied all the inciting ideas needed
for the Inquisition. Neither religion is at fault -- it's that modernity
produces violent personalities that attach themselves to concepts in order to
justify slaughter. It's simple murder. Where a religion's elders
One of the reasons, I prefer to stay anonymous. Anonymity is literally
security. Even having to display your email in public means less anonymity.
Especially with modern mass communication, and world wide internet surveillance
by the NSA, but also secret services of other countries, it is
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to.
Brave for sure. They
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one
of the world's largest religions in the way
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the Westbut the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing
It is strange that this follows in the wake of the ridiculous The Interview
nonsense. We are puffing up and feeling proud of ourselves as a nation that
the chickenshits at Sony Entertainment finally released this crap and thus
struck a blow for the first amendment. This is a good thing.
From: ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
It is strange that this follows in the wake of the ridiculous The
Interview nonsense. We are puffing up and feeling
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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Yes indeed. One of the reasons the framers of the US Constitution wanted a
secular state was their familiarity
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims don't
like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insult the prophet. It
only brings negative results, as we have seen. These are the cartoons this
magazine published:
The Controversial Cartoons That Are
Re Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the Muslims
don't like it.:
Yes, but they are living in the West not an Islamic theocracy!
I'm not opposed to everything you're saying as I myself wouldn't print
cartoons of Mohammed or gratuitously insult Islam as I
They may have the legal right to do it, but that does not make it an advisable
thing to do. I think you and I are in agreement here, since you say you would
not gratuitously insult Islam either. That's my point too. As we both say,
it's not helpful. Incidentally, I have seen The Life of Brian,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Re That other people don't see the world the same way you do should be the
first thing they have to teach at these faith schools.:
Well, yes. But can you imagine a state, secular school teaching kids that some
people regard
It's often said that Islam is not a religion but a political movement.
For all we know the group who shot up people at the magazine publishing
company were not actually Islamic and maybe even a covert operation.
All kinds of money to be made keeping the chickens inline and waging
war across
Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to. Generally speaking, it's
not a good idea to insult other people's religion. They don't like it and it is
not helpful to the situation. You should have learned that
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to.
Brave for sure. They just paid with their lives.
Generally speaking, it's not a
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 8:30 PM
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock
Yes indeed. One of the reasons the framers of the US Constitution wanted a
secular state was their familiarity with all the religious wars of Europe.
Thomas Jefferson was especially instrumental in this, although now the fundies
of Christianity here would like to put an end to that. The
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Ah, the bravery of the liberals who think they have a perfect right to insult
anyone's cherished beliefs just because they want to.
Brave for sure. They
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
The attack by Muslims in Paris on the magazine Charlie Hebdo, which satirises
various subjects, show how much human minds infected with religious memes can
deviate from rational social behaviour. This may result in a huge backlash
We lampoon religions all the time in the US. I'm a equal opportunity
religion basher. I feel that all religions probably belong in a
museum. But we have people here who think that Buddhism and Hinduism
are religions when they are philosophies. I seem to recall that
Zoroasterism is also a
Again I am reminded of the Turkish indie movie I saw a few years back on
Netflix. The plot was about a son whose father takes the fall for his
boss when the boss kills someone while driving drunk. What I
particularly remember was the father, released from prison. visits a
mosque and finds
: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the Westbut the Muslims
don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that insultthe
prophet. It only brings negative results, as we have seen. These are
thecartoons this magazine published
Re Religions are dying out in the age of psychology as they are no longer
needed.:
Here's a quote from everyone's favourite socialist George Orwell:
The real objective of Socialism is human brotherhood. This is widely felt to
be the case, though it is not usually said, or not said loudly
I wouldn’t have advised this magazine to publish any of these, and indeed the
French government advised the same. You have to remember that in Islam the
prophet is not depicted. It is considered sacrilegious to do so (see the
article). No good will come from it. It is just being offensive for
:* [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Lampooning others' beliefs may be a tradition in the West but the
Muslims don't like it so I see no purpose in doing it in cartoons that
insult the prophet. It only brings negative results, as we have seen.
These are the cartoons this magazine published
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
... And a disturbing number of people think they aren't responsible for their
actions if someone has insulted - or made a joke about - the things they were
brought up to believe. Fundamentalist cognitive dissonance is scary, scary.
Might I remind
It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one of
the world's largest religions in the way that is plainly meant to be deeply
offensive to adherents of that faith. You say things cut both ways, and the
matter of respecting the faith of others does also.
Why
It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one of
the world's largest religions in the way that is plainly meant to be deeply
offensive to adherents of that faith. You say things cut both ways, and the
matter of respecting the faith of others does also.
---In
Re That other people don't see the world the same way you do should be the
first thing they have to teach at these faith schools.:
Well, yes. But can you imagine a state, secular school teaching kids that some
people regard homosexuality as an abomination, or that women's place is in the
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one
of the world's largest religions in the way that is plainly meant to be deeply
offensive to adherents of that faith. You say things cut both
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
It's an odd kind of duty to publish cartoons that mock the founder of one of
the world's largest religions in the way that is plainly meant to be deeply
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 6:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Religious Mind
Don't forget that Christianity also supplied all the inciting ideas
needed for the Inquisition. Neither religion
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