Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/8/2014 9:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions. What

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread authfriend
That's Eastern Orthodox Christianity, dingbat. Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions. What Eastern Orthodox philosophy supports the notion

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread Share Long
Richard, I've just been reading a book of Mother Meera. She says: It is the law that the human has to change in order to unite with the Divine. Maybe she doesn't use an orthodox system but I think she's pretty enlightened! She also writes a lot about Paramatman. I wonder how that's different

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/13/2014 11:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *That's Eastern Orthodox Christianity, dingbat.* Robin was an Advaita Vedantin, dingbat.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the previous classic format and search feature. Now, that is a hoot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/9/2014 2:07 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: You're in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Actually, your saying it's a hoot is the hoot. Some people who have been switched to Neo are still able to access Classic; others are not. There's no figuring out involved for them; it's simply not possible. It has to do with how Yahoo's servers are set up, and eventually all traces of Classic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
No, Judykins, I did not say you could post using the old format, only that you could access it, and use the search engine. Calm down, and read again what I said. Easy does it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Actually, your saying it's a hoot is the hoot.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Fine, so tell us how we Neo victims should all be able to access Classic and use its search function. We'll try it out and let you know whether it works for us. IOW, put up or shut up. No, Judykins, I did not say you could post using the old format, only that you could access it,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/10/2014 6:38 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the previous classic format and search feature. It appears that Judy is still using Yahoo Neo and Yahoo Mail from her home office. So, yes it must be very

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
So Stevie, we're all still waiting for you to tell us how to access Groups Classic and its search feature. Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the previous classic format and search feature.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail that I use at work. It is @sbcglobal.net. When I am logged in under that e-mail address FFL shows up under the old format, and I am able to read posts and use the search engine all as we used to do. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
try again. it is __ @ s b c g l o b a l . n e t (without the spaces) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail that I use at work. It is @ When I am logged in under that e-mail

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
I've got an sbcglobal.net email address too. I'm wondering if ATT told Yahoo to roll out Neo to us last as they have already have enough support problems. :-D On 02/10/2014 10:53 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail that I use at work. It is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
And how is that supposed to help those of us who don't have an s b c g l o b a l . n e t email address? try again. it is __ @ s b c g l o b a l . n e t (without the spaces) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
I am not familiar enough with providers to know if you are able or not able to access that global.net address. But evidently Ann uses it, so perhaps it is more accessible than you think. Don't know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: And how is that supposed to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
I've been reading the group ModsandMembers, which is a bunch of folks trying to get Yahoo to ditch Neo and bring back Classic. They are most likely going to fail at that. I remember--but can't locate any of the posts via Neo's search--some talk about ATT and how the company insisted on staying

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
You have to have a consumer account with ATT (e.g., phone) to get an email address. My cell and landline are both with Verizon, so no dice. Just to remind you of your gratuitously nasty (and mistaken) post: Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
The back story on SBC Global where I am was Southern Bell took over various regional telecoms including PacBell in my area. Then they changed their name to ATT through acquisition. But the old sbcglobal email address are still used. ATT had Yahoo handle email. I also have two Yahoo email

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
It's an open group like FFL. You can use Google to search for messages. Did you try that? On 02/10/2014 11:43 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *I've been reading the group ModsandMembers, which is a bunch of folks trying to get Yahoo to ditch Neo and bring back Classic. They are most

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Tried it just now, no luck. So you're not going to bother searching the group with Classic? Doesn't matter to me personally, I'm just curious. It's an open group like FFL. You can use Google to search for messages. Did you try that? On 02/10/2014 11:43 AM, authfriend@...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
I'll look but I had to go out for a business lunch that I just got back from and didn't have much of a chance just to try more specific searches on Google either. I tried one search that landed me in a post a few month back. I'll try it on my Windows machine which I just fired up. Have you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
Before lunch I also had found this blog from a related search. Have you seen it? http://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/ On 02/10/2014 12:46 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Tried it just now, no luck. So you're not going to bother searching the group with Classic? Doesn't matter

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Yup. It's run by the gal who's heading up the anti-Neo effort on the ModsandMembers Yahoo group. She's tireless, but it's kinda sad, because eventually she's going to have to throw in the towel after all that effort. Before lunch I also had found this blog from a related search. Have you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Great. I'm really curious. I don't normally read NBC.com, but I took a look after I saw some of the complaints. It's worse than the Slate redesign, which up to now has been the worst mess I've ever seen. Hard to believe anyone could look at either of them and think, Boy, this looks so

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I am not familiar enough with providers to know if you are able or not able to access that global.net address. But evidently Ann uses it, so perhaps it is more accessible than you think. Don't know. I do? I don't know

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Judy I'm going by MY OWN sense of what Robin said, and using logic. Thus if he said that enlightenment per se is a delusion and he was enlightened. Then he is saying, according to logic, that he was deluded. And I think he went even further than that, saying he was under the control of outside

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
You are a funny lady Judy. As I said before, I'll let you run with your fantasies and delusions. It would not be in your best interest, at least in the short term, to disabuse you of them. Everything eventually comes out in the wash. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
Yes Judy. Whatever you say Judy. Appeal to Authority is a card you play everyday here. Only you call it, Appeal to My Authority. Basically a big joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: No, go look up the fallacy of appeal to authority. You don't know what you're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Ann and I have both explained to you, several times each, that YOUR OWN sense of what Robin said, and your use of what you call logic, are seriously flawed. It appears you are intellectually incapable of grasping that explanation. You haven't addressed it at all, even to disagree with it; you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Unfortunately, even if someone were holding a gun to your head, you would be utterly unable to come up with any fantasies and delusions on my part. You are a funny lady Judy. As I said before, I'll let you run with your fantasies and delusions. It would not be in your best interest, at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
He can't even acknowledge he got it wrong about Robin never having addressed Ann directly, a matter of facts on the record. What a moral midget. Life must really be a terrifying experience for him. Yes Judy. Whatever you say Judy. Appeal to Authority is a card you play everyday here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:15 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Robin was sincere in what he said Except of course when Robin was posting a parody. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there can be no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Anne, you are saying, Trust me, because I know what is going on. I'm not going to tell you anything about it, but I'm in the know No I'm not. I am saying the post you retrieved from the archives has nothing to do with your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? Apparently, Share, this is what Robin believed - that he had achieved union with God, which was delusional. It is delusional in the sense that he thought it was true, and delusional

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Bhagavad-Gita VI:27 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: No, go look up the fallacy of appeal to authority. You don't know what you're talking about, no surprise. You are wrong not because Ann is an authority, but because, duh, you got it wrong, and the evidence is on the record in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:53 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a delusion. So, it looks like we are agreed: Robin's experience of a union with God' was delusional. And, Robin did not understand the basics of TM or yoga. Robin was delusional and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy I'm going by MY OWN sense of what Robin said, and using logic. Thus if he said that enlightenment per se is a delusion and he was enlightened. Then he is saying, according to logic, that he was deluded. And I think he went

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
FWIW, Robin said this passage from Science of Being and the Art of Living perfectly described his experience of enlightenment: The Lord speaks through him, the omnipresent cosmic life gains expression in his activity, the omniscient is expressed in the limitations of the man's individual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 1:21 PM, Share Long wrote: My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with God. Actually, no - union with God isn't mentioned in the Upanishads and not in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Of the Six Systems of Hinduism, only one system is theistic. According to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 2:58 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: God knows he said a lot in his time at FFL so you won't lack for reading material. Can anyone on this forum point out where Robin posted to FFL that he believed that enlightenment consisted of being united with God. If he did, he is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 5:20 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly espousing a pseudo-humility.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
So, you say I am mistaken about where he might have met with his friend, but you don't say where the meetings or get togethers might have taken place. For all we know it was Starbucks. You say that I am mistaken that it was not a confessional, but you don't say what it was. All you say

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a delusion. So, it looks like we are agreed: Robin's experience of a union with God' was delusional.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 8:26 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though? The parody Robin posted about Judy was very revealing - why would Robin do that if they were such good friends. It's sort of like Robin throwing Judy under the bus. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Actually I'm not adept at finding stuff via Neo's advanced search feature; it's horrendously designed and fundamentally crippled. So I'm afraid you can't count on me to find stuff. I may get lucky, but it's a crapshoot. I suggested Barry retrieve your long exchange with Robin because he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Boy, I'll say. Her logic and her sense had me pegged as a devout Christian, if you can wrap your mind around that idiocy. And she has yet to acknowledge that huge goof. She and Stevie are quite a pair, aren't they? Share, do yourself a favor and don't try using logic. In your case, that is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Ann, I was responding to what Judy said that Robin said about the nature of enlightenment. This is a forum about that, among other topics. Judy used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then she presented Robin's idea that enlightenment, including his,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Um, after suddenly being thrust into what seemed to be Unity Consciousness on that mountain, and then having Maharishi apparently confirm it, why would Robin need to study the Scriptures? He was living them. (See my post with the SBAL quote.) he never appeared interested in learning more -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 9:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the seperative divide between Eastern and Western religions. What Eastern Orthodox philosophy supports the notion

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Sharelogic. As hopeless as Barrylogic, Stevielogic, and Rickylogic. Ann, I was responding to what Judy said that Robin said about the nature of enlightenment. This is a forum about that, among other topics. Judy used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
It's called having fun, Richard. The most fun either of us ever had on FFL, in fact. We had a wonderful time throwing each other under the bus. And then an even better time laughing privately at the few gullible fools who thought we were serious. Do you think it may have run mostly in one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
The purpose of studying scriptures is to integrate one's experience of enlightenment more completely. Also to smooth the process which I understand can be quite jarring. On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   Um, after suddenly being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Robin has, as I've already pointed out, described all this in his posts. There was nothing new in the post Stevie misremembered. And obviously, as I also pointed out, Ann is not going to reveal any additional specific details of Robin's private life that he may have mentioned to her but not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Richard, about UC being unity with God: in the Gita Maharishi writes that at a certain point it is between the devotee and God whether they become one or stay two so that there can be that flow of devotion. It is from this and many Maharishi tapes that I got the idea that UC means union with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Ann, it was enough of an event to ride the Vancouver buses with all those jolly people attending the 2010 Olympics! I'm with you about Neo and the archives so I probably won't be doing any searches. And in any case, I was replying to what Judy said the the internal lack of logic with what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 10:00 AM, Share Long wrote: in the Gita Maharishi writes that at a certain point it is between the devotee and God whether they become one or stay two so that there can be that flow of devotion. The key word here is devotion, Share. Robin's main problem may have been his belief

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 10:48 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you have something to say relevant to what I wrote? The separative divide between Eastern and Western orthodox religions is that the Western orthodox religion teaches that a man became God in the person of Jesus Christ. Eastern orthodox

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:49 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's called having fun, Richard. The most fun either of us ever had on FFL, in fact. We had a wonderful time throwing each other under the bus. And then an even better time laughing privately at the few gullible fools who thought we were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
I was addressing Share, not you, Richard. But Eastern Orthodox Christianity, of course, affirms that God became man in Jesus Christ, just as Western Christianity does. Your question makes no sense, BTW. Of course Robin didn't get the idea that man became God in Jesus Christ from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:44 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Sharelogic. As hopeless as Barrylogic, Stevielogic, and Rickylogic. Versus your logic that you think Robin believed his enlightenment was a union with God? Nobody believes that unless they are delusional. Where exactly, did Robin equate being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's called having fun, Richard. The most fun either of us ever had on FFL, in fact. We had a wonderful time throwing each other under the bus. And then an even better time laughing privately at the few gullible fools who thought

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Um, after suddenly being thrust into what seemed to be Unity Consciousness on that mountain, and then having Maharishi apparently confirm it, why would Robin need to study the Scriptures? He was living them. Because, it's not prudent to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
you'll have to come up with something other than, I am the authority on this matter Put your sniffing out skills on this, and see what you can come up with. I'll wait ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Robin has, as I've already pointed out, described all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
Share, Judy's MO has always been the same. When someone upends her supposed authority about something, as you have done many times, she simply resorts to personal attacks. It is called fallacy ad hominem. When it comes to fallacies, it looks like she's got the market cornered. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Actually, Ann, I don't recall anyone having tried to use it to claim Robin was serious recently except Richard, who's just trolling. Before that, the last folks to do it, way back when but months after the posts themselves, were Curtis and Vaj (and Curtis surely knew otherwise; he thought he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Stevie, you have become a shameless liar in addition to a stupid and obnoxious twerp. Share, Judy's MO has always been the same. When someone upends her supposed authority about something, as you have done many times, she simply resorts to personal attacks. It is called fallacy ad

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
What Judy doesn't realize is that I have access to the classic format when I want, with the classic search function. I mentioned once already how this works with me, but evidently she missed it. On the other hand, this supposed collaboration between Barry and me is a new twist for her

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Oh, didn't know that. Bully for you. Because I knew you weren't capable of using the Neo search to find it. Barry would be happy to help you (or anybody else) out if it meant you could diss Robin or me or Ann, so it was a logical assumption. What Judy doesn't realize is that I have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
You're in high form today Judy. Well I suppose you've got something to hang your hat on, even it's being a disagreeable person most of the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Oh, didn't know that. Bully for you. Because I knew you weren't capable of using

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
There are far too many disagreeable, dishonest pricks around here these days, as far as I'm concerned. Actually it only takes a few like yourself and Barry and Share and Richard to ruin a forum like FFL. You're in high form today Judy. Well I suppose you've got something to hang your hat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: There are far too many disagreeable, dishonest pricks around here these days, as far as I'm concerned. You've been saying that forever! Actually it only takes a few like yourself and Barry and Share and Richard to ruin a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
I think that's the first time I ever said it, actually. And it's not that they disagree with me, it's that they do so disagreeably and prickishly. (Not just with me, others as well.) There are far too many disagreeable, dishonest pricks around here these days, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Actually, Ann, I don't recall anyone having tried to use it to claim Robin was serious recently except Richard, who's just trolling. Before that, the last folks to do it, way back when but months after the posts themselves, were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 3:21 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: No one can stop bringing it up and talking about it and trying to use it to prove Robin actually disliked you and was serious. So, nobody is taking Robin seriously when he threw Judy under the bus - it was just a trap message, a trick

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 2:07 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: You're in high form today Judy. It looks to me like Judy is working on Sunday again - judging by her response times she hasn't left her desk since six o'clock this morning. It looks like Judy is monitoring all of Steve's messages from her

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 8:47 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Robin said this passage from Science of Being and the Art of Living perfectly described his experience of enlightenment: From what I've read, I'd say that Robin experienced samadhi: saguna Brahman. If Robin had united with God, he would then

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 8:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhagavad-Gita VI:27 The yogin who is totally free of passion could attain a blissful state where the mind is blissful and tranquil all the time, free from the influence o raja guna. This would hardly describe Robin - at least he didn't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/9/2014 3:21 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: No one can stop bringing it up and talking about it and trying to use it to prove Robin actually disliked you and was serious. So, nobody is taking Robin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 10:29 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: it's a trick prick foul trap fib - that's what it was. Go figure. You're just feeling icky, not to mention prickly, that Robin pulled a fast one on Ricky and not a bit tickled that you ended up in such a pickle. If you act

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

2014-02-08 Thread Michael Jackson
Must still be a bunch of scorpions over there in Merrye Olde Englande On Sat, 2/8/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014, 11:50

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:04 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Oh, you mean narcissistic personality disorder. One wonders exactly how much you could know about it if you can't even get the name right. One suspects, in fact, that your only acquaintance with it is from Barry's fanatical obsession with NPD on FFL. But guess what, Stevie-boy? Barry is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple fact? There was no response from you required. Judy, go start you silliness with someone else, please. Oh, and of course you were never around Robin during his enlightened days anyway. What's NPS, and how

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's inaccurate to refer to it as genuine enlightenment. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:48 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:   Oh, that's rich, coming from FFL's inveterate liar. As far as I'm aware,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Crazy Raam crap

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Ok turq, I admit it! I LOLed at that *up to their willys and wonkas.* If I ever use it, I'll give you a footnote. Maybe! On Saturday, February 8, 2014 4:42 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: You laugh, but I say that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He called enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not say he was deluded to believe he was enlightened. Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think it's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
See my previous post. You don't know what you're talking about as far as what Robin said about this is concerned. You're also confused as to what I said that you're commenting on. Read it again, please. Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's inaccurate to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Aaaahhh, feel better now Judy? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Oh, you mean narcissistic personality disorder. One wonders exactly how much you could know about it if you can't even get the name right. One suspects, in fact, that your only acquaintance with it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, I have no idea what you are talking about. But, please, proceed according to your fancy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: I beg your pardon? What exactly is your objection to the statement of a simple fact? There was no response from you required. Judy,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
That makes two of us. Why did you accuse me of trying to start silliness with you when all I did was state a simple fact, that you didn't know Robin during his enlightened period? Far as I'm aware, there's no argument about that point, and I wasn't expecting a response. I have no idea what you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from the period that he was posting here. I left FF and MIU shortly before he made his big splash there. I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a crush, Judy G, who I Iearned became involved with Robin's group.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
No problem. People who didn't follow Robin's posts get confused and think he was claiming to be enlightened while he was here, rather than 30-some years ago, so it's important to make sure they understand that wasn't the case. I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, Robin himself called his alleged enlightenment a delusion. So I think it's inaccurate to use the phrase enlightened days. Here is the important point Share: Robin believes true enlightenment to be a delusion, an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: You misunderstood him, Share (even as many times as he explained it). He called enlightenment per se a delusion--his, Maharishi's, anybody's. He did not say he was deluded to believe he was enlightened. OK, just read this now

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I am sorry that I did not make it more clear that I've only known Robin from the period that he was posting here. I left FF and MIU shortly before he made his big splash there. I did know one lady with whom I had a bit of a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, Robin himself called that experience a delusion. Thus I think it's inaccurate to refer to it as genuine enlightenment. See my later post about this to you. And I am not saying I agree with Robin only that his experience

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread Share Long
Judy and Ann, ok, let me try this and tell me if my logic is off and if so, where it is off: Robin said he was enlightened. Robin also said that enlightenment is a delusion. Therefore Robin was saying that he was actually deluded rather than enlightened. I also want to add that I recognize that

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