--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
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...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is?
Haven't you been paying attention? The evidence is
that these TBs
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in the TMO. I do not
know if they was or not. I only heard rumours.
Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 12/26/05 8:52 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Par for the course during that time. Why do you think it was so easy
to pay off the Spanish officials? It was the common thing to do.
Probably still
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 12/26/05 9:05 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's
perfectly plausible that some bored ultra-rich, extremely famous,
extremely eccentric, black singer might dabble in ALL of TM-
associated practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 12/26/05 7:35 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 12/26/05 12:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And we all know the story of Leon Weiner actually getting
busted
trying to
carry cash from Mallorca to Switzerland. And Billy and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in the TMO. I do not
know if they was or not. I only heard rumours.
Ingegerd
Almost certainly they were.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
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...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in
the TMO. I do not
know if they was or not. I only heard rumours.
Ingegerd
Almost certainly they were.
How about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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paying off
the Spanish officials to get him out.
Par for the course during that time. Why do you think it
was so easy to pay off
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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paying off
the Spanish officials to get him out.
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature. The TMO I could see more easily
characterized as a religion, or a quasi-religion or a
cult. But you have to consider the level of
involvement of individuals. There is such
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead to
different levels of
ethics.
MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in
a life-supportive
way has nuances: in CC, one doesn't act in a way
that harms one's own
evolution. In higher states,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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paying off
the Spanish officials to get him out.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in
the TMO. I do not
know if they was or not. I
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 12/26/05 4:14 PM, Alex Stanley at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ethics won't get you Enlightened. But without
Ethics you will not
get Enlightened. Want to know why?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead to
different levels of
ethics.
MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in
a life-supportive
way has nuances: in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Just to clarify, this isn't a statement about you per se
but about the nature of ethics. IMO, unethical behavior
is almost *defined* by the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Er,nope. It just means that its futile to single out a single
organization or person for criticism when everyone else is doing it
too.
You really *don't* understand the concept of ethics,
do you? :-)
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead to
different levels of
ethics.
MMY's point about an enlightened person
On Dec 26, 2005, at 10:07 PM, sparaig wrote:In Ken's parlance, 'acting unethical is still within dualities, it's merely the photographic negative of ethical activity.' Having said that it is possible to appear to be acting unethically when actually the intent is to awaken. If you've ever
--- Peter wrote:
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature.
I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as
religious. But there's been talk in this forum of the
mantras being devas that the teacher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Just to clarify, this isn't a statement about you per se
but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Just to clarify, this isn't a statement about you per se
but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Er,nope. It just means that its futile to single out a single
organization or person for criticism when everyone else is doing it
too.
You
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Er,nope. It just means that its futile to single out a single
organization or person for criticism when everyone else is doing it
too.
You
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature.
I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as
religious.
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but
the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature.
I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as
religious. But there's been talk in this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 12/26/05 7:35 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an
evangelical Christian: http://www.alternet.org/story/18378/ ) was
clearly an enemy of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead to
different levels of
ethics.
MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in
a life-supportive
way has nuances: in CC, one doesn't act in a way
that harms one's
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Different states of consciousness may lead to
different levels of
ethics.
MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving
in
a life-supportive
way has
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
The TMO has always related higher levels of
consciousness with increased moral behavior, but the
research is pretty weak in this area.
Have you actually leafed through the journals to review
research on TM and moral behavior, Peter? I somehow
got the impression the
--- Peter wrote:
But what is a religion? I certainly see how someone
would call the practice of TM religious because the
bija mantras are associated with certain Hindu
dieties, but does that make it a religion? Ask a hindu
if TM is a religion and he'll think the very question
is absurd. Is
--- authfriend wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]
is an ishta-deva -- the
god one prays most (Wikipedia).
People in *what* know? People with knowledge of what?
I can't cite posts, but I seem to recall that people who've
seen lists of ishta devas have
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]
is an ishta-deva -- the
god one prays most (Wikipedia).
People in *what* know? People with knowledge of
what?
I can't cite posts, but I seem to
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
But what is a religion? I certainly see how
someone
would call the practice of TM religious because
the
bija mantras are associated with certain Hindu
dieties, but does that make it a religion? Ask a
hindu
if TM is a
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
The TMO has always related higher levels of
consciousness with increased moral behavior, but
the
research is pretty weak in this area.
Have you actually leafed through the journals to
review
research on TM and moral
on 12/27/05 9:13 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked
closely with mmy. A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp,
headed up by former personal secretaries John Cowhig and his buddy and
by tm-sidhis
on 12/27/05 9:44 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]
is an ishta-deva -- the
god one prays most (Wikipedia).
People in *what* know? People with knowledge of what?
I can't cite posts, but I
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:13 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked closely with mmy. A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp, headed up by former personal secretaries John Cowhig and his buddy and by tm-sidhis administrator greg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in the TMO. I do not
know if they was or not. I only heard rumours.
Ingegerd
Almost
--- Peter wrote:
I'd have to look at it again. But I remember whenever
I looked at it I was always bothered by some aspects
of it. Do you have a reference?
Unfortunately, no. I spent some time Googling but couldn't
find a study you could read on the web. (I seldom find studies
I can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in the TMO. I do
--- Peter wrote:
According to the Sri Tantra (i think its that one) the
bija mantras used in TM are the seed form of specific
devatas(Saraswati and Lakshmi). The effect of the
mantra, according to MMY, would be two-fold. The
enlivening of that specific value of nature in one's
life through
Patrick Gillam wrote:
I can't cite posts, but I seem to recall that people who've
seen lists of ishta devas have seen the TM mantras on the list.
From what I've read, Mr. Gillam, almost all the TM bija mantras are
derived from the path of Sri Vidya, a tantric tradition in South
India, that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered with
our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on to
something SO earth-shattering that these organisations took an
interest in us.
Yup.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about KGB. Did MMY accept that they were in the TMO. I do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
Gillam wrote:
Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra]
is an ishta-deva -- the
god one prays most (Wikipedia).
People in *what* know? People with knowledge of what?
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
But what is a religion? I certainly see how
someone
would call the practice of TM religious because
the
bija mantras are associated with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Peter wrote:
The TMO has always related higher levels of
consciousness with increased moral behavior, but
the
research is pretty weak in this area.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The general public (whomever they are!) seem to like
simple answers with black and white distinctions.
Unfortunately life is not like that.
Last year I read in one of David Brooks' columns
in the New York Times that the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered with
our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on to
How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered with
our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on to
something SO earth-shattering that these organisations took an
interest in us.
Yup. That's exactly my take on all this as well. The
clinging to the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered with
our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on to
--- authfriend wrote:
The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like
Christ the divine/human center of the Christian
religion, versus the universal Christ as a mode of
consciousness.
I've been trying to remember if I've ever heard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic that
causes him to lash out at a calm and rational discussion of TMO
history that may or may not have basis in fact.
Wanting to continue to believe that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered
with
our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on to
something SO earth-shattering that these organisations took
an
interest in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic that
causes him to lash out at a calm and rational discussion of TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually
everyone who wasn't explicitly aligned with the U.S.
government suspected the CIA was spying on them.
It didn't have anything to do with wanting to believe
one was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like
Christ the divine/human center of the Christian
religion, versus the universal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic that
causes him to lash out at a calm and rational discussion of TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
How important we must be that the CIA and the KGB bothered
with
our little spiritual group...I guess we must have been on
to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually
everyone who wasn't explicitly aligned with the U.S.
government suspected the CIA was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like
Christ the divine/human center of the Christian
religion, versus the universal Christ as a mode of
on 12/27/05 12:45 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic that
causes him to lash out at a calm and rational discussion of TMO
history that may or may
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like
Christ the
on 12/27/05 1:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually
do
perceive the deity associated with your mantra.
Wow. Then that kinda confirms my experience which I related in
another post...
He also said that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but this is such bullshit I have
to speak up. Anyone who was an activist back
in the late 60s and early 70s might have
suspected that *some* US government agency
was monitoring their efforts, but almost
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but this is such bullshit I have
to speak up. Anyone who was an activist back
in the late 60s and early 70s might have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm sorry, but this is such bullshit I have
to speak up. Anyone who was an activist back
in the late 60s and early 70s might have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Except that, as I noted a few posts back, in the early
'70s virtually everyone who didn't explicitly align
themselves with the U.S. government suspected they were
being spied on by the CIA.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 12/27/05 12:45 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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Honestly, I think Barry should reflect the internal dynamic that
causes
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually
everyone who wasn't explicitly aligned with the U.S.
government suspected the CIA was
Oh, BTW, note how carefully Barry avoided my point.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Except that, as I noted a few posts back, virtually
everyone who wasn't explicitly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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But, I still think the more interesting question is why merely
discussing this topic is such a bee under Barry's bonnet.
It's not, actually. I just find it interesting that
Shemp is the only one here who is
on 12/27/05 1:34 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Related issues:
Why MMY hated Carter and blamed him for spying, but loved Reagan.
And Nixon.
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That is what they did, and look what happened.
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On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:57 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
...and know what? I certainly wouldn't mind if all the
organisational schemes worked. I think TM is the greatest thing
since sliced bread...and if training mindless robotrons who bought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 12/27/05 12:44 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- authfriend wrote:
The more abstract the understanding of the nature of
devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like
Christ the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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But, I still think the more interesting question is why merely
discussing this topic is such a bee under Barry's bonnet.
It's not,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 12/27/05 1:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually
do
perceive the deity associated with your mantra.
Wow. Then that kinda
on 12/27/05 2:05 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although on a Rishikesh TTC, Maharishi did say that you eventually
do perceive the deity associated with your mantra.
Sure. But is it an actual personified being, or is it
how one's own perception translates the abstraction into
on 12/27/05 2:23 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He also said that eventually your mantra goes on perpetually,
whether or not
you're meditating. Reminds me of something Irmeli described.
Began to notice that on TTC in 1976. Tried to ask about it. Course
leaders didn't have
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 12/26/05 7:35 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
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--- Peter wrote:
You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the
techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
religious in nature.
I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as
religious.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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But, I still think the more interesting question is why
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