[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---My experience differs from the contributor below. I've been initiated into many mantra meditation techniques, but my TM mantra is the only one with significant Power in it. Perhaps your initiation was invalid.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 15 kinds of inauspicious deaths

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (from a website on the Great Compassion Mantra). Even Enlightened people can experience inauspicious deaths. A higher form of biological evolution would be the attainment of a Rainbow Light Body. (even before physical

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure I remember Jerry talking to us at some point about our obligations to the teaching and Maharishi in a somewhat legal-sounding way but I know that we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had an anatomy professor 30+ years ago (pre-med program) who could tell where in the world your ancestry was from by the shape of your skull. I don't know if it was pure luck or not, but he knew exactly where in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread anony_sleuth_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure I remember Jerry talking to us at some point about our obligations to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the point. The point is... The point seems to me to be that *all* of this garbage is an attempt, before Maharishi dies, to clean up the TM movement's shoddy record-keeping and business practices and

[FairfieldLife] The Point, take two (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: That's not the point. The point is... Another interesting way of viewing the legal machinations of the TM movement in the last year or so (the recert thang, the suing of Mike Scozzari, etc.) is, from my warped point of

[FairfieldLife] The Point, take two (the TM movement as Shakespeare)

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: That's not the point. The point is... Another interesting way of viewing the legal machinations of the TM movement in the last year or so (the recert thang, the suing of Mike Scozzari, etc.) is, from my warped point of

[FairfieldLife] Interesting Sanskrit words: sat asat (introduction)

2006-03-06 Thread cardemaister
The present tense indicative(?) conjugation of the verb as (to be): Singular: asmi I am asi you are asti he/she/it is Dual: svaH we (two) are sthaH you (two) are staH they (two) are Plural: smaH we are stha youse are santi they are Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Sanskrit words: sat asat (introduction)

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stha youse are That's the variant of Sanskrit spoken in Brooklyn, right? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Year of Good Darshan

2006-03-06 Thread Peter
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/5/06 3:21 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://amma.org/ No, she won't be here until June. I don't know exact dates, except for

[FairfieldLife] Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get what you pay for; that is the Law of Karma. So why is this? Why do most of the people in the

[FairfieldLife] Remember Shakti: Saturday Night in Bombay DVD

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
If you can find a copy of this DVD anywhere, grab it--fantastic! I can post a video clip if anyone is interested. The blip below says it all.Remember Shakti: Saturday Night in Bombay [LIVE] Guitarist McLaughlin and tabla drummer Zakir Hussain first joined together as Shakti in 1975 to fuse

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Ingegerd wrote:I was in Arosa in 1975 - signing the Agreement Form with Notary  Public - . it would be very strange if the same did not happen in  1976. Ingegerd There was a copy of this document on the web for a while. IIRC it was on a German anti-TM site. To

[FairfieldLife] good posts, Turquoise

2006-03-06 Thread feste37
You're well oiled today Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get what you pay for; that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread anony_sleuth_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get what you pay for; that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to make a similar comment, but couldn't come up with anything nearly as good as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- flanegin wrote: What are the techniques that you found are stronger than TM?- and I ask purely out of curiousity, not challenge...Thanks Yeah, I wondered about this, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- "It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you   have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-06 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/5/06 9:30:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah , but did he look bored when namasting back?Or was it just a half or quarter Namaste? You know, kinda like Hitler giving back the "heil" when underlings Heil Hitlered him...underlings

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread wmurphy77
I distinctly remember Jerry addressing the assembly in the Fuiggi Fonte theatre in '1972' asking us to 'swear' loyalty to TM and MMY. As I recall it was an oral agreement given and received en mass amongst us all as a group! BillyG. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Marek Reavis
**Another take below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated on now? You get

[FairfieldLife] RxR On When Life BEGINS.......

2006-03-06 Thread President of the United STUDS
The Catholic Priest will say that Life begins at the moment of Conception.The Presbytarian will say that Life Begins at the moment of live Birth.The RABBI says that Life Begins the moment all thekids have left home andthe dog dies.I say Life never had a

[FairfieldLife] Death Would Be Too Kind Too Brief

2006-03-06 Thread President of the United STUDS
President of the United STUDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Death Would Be Too Kind /BriefYesterday is like a cancelled Check.TomoRRow NEVER comes.It is all right Now !!!Live today as though it were your last .You never know...a house might fall on you TOO !!!Rick

[FairfieldLife] ***President Rick REED's Womens Rights Bill 2005

2006-03-06 Thread President of the United STUDS
Our future President of the UnitedStates of America, Rick REED, is a Womanizer INDEED!!! His greatest and most heartfelt issue in the growth of America dealsspecifically with Women's Rights as it should be. Somebody's GOT to do it! It is a continueing struggle

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation of Elvis???

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/katharine_mcphee/ Not possible. Everyone who's seen Bubba Ho-Tep knows that Elvis is alive and well, living

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote: The Facts are slightly different. Over 90% of the indian population were illiterate back then. All the VedaShalas, the traditional Vedic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation of Elvis???

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/katharine_mcphee/ Not possible.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Marek Reavis wrote:Another take on Westerners seeking Indian wisdom was expressed more than once by Nisargadatta in the following way.  He said that the Westerners had been soldiers in Lord Rama's monkey army; and that as their reward in assisting Rama in rescuing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/5/06 11:38 PM, Marek Reavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure I remember Jerry talking to us at some point about our obligations to the teaching and Maharishi in a somewhat legal-sounding way but I know that we never signed any

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it in a nutshell. There was an agreement that a TM teacher was one for life and could teach TM, no conditions attached. What people should really consider doing is *everyone* who can start teaching

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: That's not the point. The point is... The point seems to me to be that *all* of this garbage is an attempt, before Maharishi dies, to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not terribly interested in Jason's latest India- bash,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/5/06 11:08:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Yeah, but it's so much more fun to create Rajas. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/6/06 10:06:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 3/5/06 11:38 PM, Marek Reavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure I remember Jerry talking to us at some point about our obligations

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
Sounds like Aghori Vimalananda had a bit of an ego too. on 3/6/06 7:02 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always keep a light-saber handy. --- It is no surprise that Westerners mainly find false gurus. When you have cheated your own guru in the past why should you not be cheated

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a myth. They are all about equal difficulty as far as learning goes, or else kids born in the languages that are supposed to be easier would start speaking at earlier ages, which of course they don't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: What conditions were attached? Sal On Mar 5, 2006, at 12:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: With the exception of maybe the first 40 or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: That's a myth. They are all about equal difficulty as far as learning goes, or else kids born in the languages that are supposed to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember Shakti: Saturday Night in Bombay DVD

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember Shakti: Saturday Night in Bombay DVD Would love to see the clip. Netflix doesnt have the DVD. Where did you get it? on 3/6/06 7:29 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can find a copy of this DVD anywhere, grab it--fantastic! I can post a video

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age schlock that passes as eastern wisdom these days. There's probably something in Vimalananda to upset just abut anyone. But Aghori tantrics aren't for everyone. On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Sounds like

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: Wouldn't learning a second language as an adult be more difficult

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Aghori Vimalananda had a bit of an ego too. Unless, as Vaj suggests, all of this was tongue in cheek, a joke. I'm unconvinced that's the case, but I dunno. Yahoo! Groups

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:33 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: Sounds like Aghori Vimalananda had a bit of an ego too. Unless, as Vaj suggests, all of this was tongue in cheek, a joke. I'm unconvinced that's the case, but I dunno. My

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/6/06 10:16:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or, you could take seriously what I just quoted aboveand realize that MMY is giving his blessing to thosewho want to teach independently of the organization.He wants to keep control over the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/6/06 10:27:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got some written rules in my hand when I became a TM-Teacher, how to behave and one of the rules where - that we should not turn people away if they did not have the money. We should teach

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age schlock that passes as eastern wisdom these days. There's probably something in Vimalananda to upset just abut anyone. But Aghori tantrics aren't for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age   schlock that passes as "eastern wisdom" these days. There's probably something in Vimalananda to upset just

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread Marek Reavis
**Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** Maharishi: What I have taught, because it has its eternal authenticity in the vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 - 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: I had an anatomy professor 30+ years ago (pre-med program) who could tell where in the world your ancestry was from by the shape of your skull. I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember Shakti: Saturday Night in Bombay DVD

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
I got it used. You can get it here, used or new:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B5RSB1/ref=pd_bbs_null_2/102-4451241-3127353?s=dvdv=glancen=130On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote:Would love to see the clip. Netflix doesn’t have the DVD. Where did you get it?on 3/6/06 7:29 AM, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/6/06 10:16:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or, you could take seriously what I just quoted above and realize that MMY is giving his blessing to those who want to teach

[FairfieldLife] TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Michael Dean Goodman
Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?], I'll re-post my controversial essay from a few years ago. I first posted it on this list, and then to my amazement it got forwarded/networked all

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. Especially to those who find simplistic, black-and- white arguments and shallow, empty aphorisms

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?], I'll re-post my controversial essay from a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses are organized. There is sometimes a small fee to cover meals or the instructors travel: http://www.amma.org/events/iam.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses are organized. There is sometimes a small fee to cover

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: That's not the point. The point is... The point seems to me to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/6/06 12:59 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated constantly as new courses

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/6/06 10:06:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 3/5/06 11:38 PM, Marek Reavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was made a teacher in Fiuggi in June of 1972. I'm pretty sure

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: I had an

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more words it takes someone to defend something, the more likely it is that what they're defending is indefensible. The oral equivalent to that is: weak point, speak louder! --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) That's just because you're a sucker for simplistic, black-and-white arguments and shallow, empty aphorisms, Vaj. If you were truly evolved like some people, you'd

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/6/06 10:27:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got some written rules in my hand when I became a TM-Teacher, how to behave and one of the rules where - that we should not turn

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) That's just because you're a sucker for simplistic, black-and-white arguments and shallow,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-) That's just because

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:20 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote:An insight that may be useful in this discussion is what economists refer to as "consumer surplus". It is the difference between what a consumer is willing to pay for a good or service, and the actual market price. For example, I may be willing to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:22 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than trying to start a new argument, why don't you just tell us what you thing about Michael's article? Are you out of your friggin' MIND, Vaj? When Judy decides to tell us what she thinks about a post, it tends to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Scozarri being sued

2006-03-06 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 3/6/06 10:06:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, fairfieldlife@ writes: on 3/5/06 11:38 PM, Marek Reavis at reavismarek@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:20 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: An insight that may be useful in this discussion is what economists refer to as consumer surplus. It is the difference between what a consumer is willing to pay for a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread claudiouk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a very thoughtful essay, which I think I saw the first time round. For a long time I too mistakenly thought that a priority goal was to make TM available widely, in order to generate support for its teachers

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Vaj
On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:40 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote:Yes, that is the point -- $2500 + of value for $200, yielding $2300+ of consumer sruplus. IF you percieve SSRS's Sahaja meditation as eqivalent to TM. btw I think the AOL course where the breathing is taught, is a seperate course from the Sahaja

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:56 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's a good read, esp. if you're tired of the mamby-pamby new age schlock that passes as eastern wisdom

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:40 PM, anon_astute_ff wrote: Yes, that is the point -- $2500 + of value for $200, yielding $2300+ of consumer sruplus. IF you percieve SSRS's Sahaja meditation as eqivalent to TM. btw I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus and the Attack of the Asuras

2006-03-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: That comes across to me as spiritually elitist ego chow, but I suppose it could also just be the paradox of Brahman. I was going to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In response to the recent discussions on this list about the TM course fee [Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?], I'll re-post my controversial essay from a few years

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Speaking of free meditation techniques, here is a list of the places Amma's IAM meditation is being taught. This page is updated

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can look at all this as something being taken away from you, or you can look at it as something being *given* to you. Whatever obligations you may have had to MMY and the TMO have been canceled, and you get to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
Um, are you sure you're being sufficiently respectful? :) If not, the price for you to be a re-certified TB just went up to $5000--cash only. Sal On Mar 6, 2006, at 1:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Think I'll wait for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
This is it. If Michael really wanted to sock it to us, it would have been twice as long. Even the title on this one takes up about 5 KBs. Sal On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Vaj wrote: Think I'll wait for the Readers Digest condensed version. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
Actually, one wouldn't even need to do that. All one would need to do would be to look at the size (57 or so KBs, about half of which is the title) yawn, and move on to the next post, knowing they've most likely read it about 20 times before. Michael is nothing if not consistent. Sal On Mar

[FairfieldLife] The Point (was Re: Mike Scozarri being sued)

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: You can look at all this as something being taken away from you, or you can look at it as something being *given* to you. Whatever obligations

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: Amma is adamant that money should not be charged for meditation instruction - even in a corporate setting. Do you know the rationale, Rick? An aside about the attitude toward paying for education: In the wider Waldorf world, the ideal is that teachers give from a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, one wouldn't even need to do that. All one would need to do would be to look at the size (57 or so KBs, about half of which is the title) yawn, and move on to the next post, knowing they've most likely

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: From the Vipassana Meditation Website (http://www.dhamma.org/): The technique of Vipassana Meditation is taught at ten-day residential courses during which participants learn the basics of the method, and practice sufficiently to experience its beneficial results.

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