[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[Seraphita]

Well, we aren't in Kansas any more, that's for sure.
Of course, he wasn't insane! He was convicted of murder precisely
because he was held responsible for his actions - and rightly convicted.
Look, the guy was a small-time crook who had the shittiest start in life
possible. Bastard son of a teenage prostitute - and it went downhill
from there. He tried to make the best of the hand he'd been dealt.
I've gotta hand it to the guy - he did have that certain charisma. If
you can't see that then tell me why Atkins, Krenwinkel and Van Houten
were prepared to fry in the chair for him? Sometimes, the creepiest men
can capture the loyalty of people. Remember that Austrian corporal?
Me, I love Sharon Tate. Check out this clip. How anyone could butcher
someone as beautiful as this is beyond me:
http://tinyurl.com/l5ca7e3 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > Manson mentally ill? You kidding me?
>
> You aren't claiming Manson is sane, are you?
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj_55FHI
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > One wonders what the belief they all share IS that
> > > > > > causes them to color their own perceptions and
> > > > > > shape them such that the "Barry Is Bad" meme has
> > > > > > basically taken over their lives.
> > > > >
> > > > > One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes
> > > > > him to color his own perceptions and shape them such
> > > > > that the ego-fantasy that "Barry Is Bad" has taken over
> > > > > our lives has taken over his life.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >His statement can only draw one (He thinks "They, their," as one
> > > > entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion:
> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > He might want to seek some medical help about this situation.
> > >
> > > But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he
> > going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY.
> > > >
> > >
> > Yes, and he can find one of these type of places:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me
> > 
> > 
> > and/or
> > 
> >   when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
> >    comes, along,
> > we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :)   MJ, you have
> > that vacation home ready yet?
> 
> Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do 
> you want to come?
> >
>
Yippie! Never been to Victoria. 
Oh boy, this is going to be a fun party! 
The funniest thing, it really could end up happening at some point. 
Judy peers through the Turq with eyes of steely knives, oh, the whole shabang, 
etc., etc., etc. The  FFL Reality Television Show. Rick sells his FFL rights 
(payoff and royalties) all writer's keep their copyright, the DL Foundation/TMO 
and other interests get donations to keep Buck happy, Mr. Price can get back in 
business. Ravi can moonlight and vacation at the same time. Emily will be happy 
to...you know.. she will just become happier. Dr. Dumbass and his one liners, 
Share, learning a 3 dimensional bananagram game and laundry at the house,  and 
Ann, gets to be Ann and enjoy her position of reality!  
Alex can move out of the shack and up-grayed that dell, all the other religious 
(I know it is not a religion ;))TMOer's who I am sorry I am getting tired of 
typing names and apologized it I missed you, only purely by accident, just look 
at the post count and add to this. I need to sleep. Oh the English dude, Sep, 
and Crop Circle Nabby. 
You guys want to turn this FF around? There is not better way to get people's 
interest than with the honestly and back stabbing of the FFL Yahoo GRoup 
Message Board. By morning I am going to read this and be totally embarrassed 
because I am not proof reading. Ha! As if I ever do! That is Judy's Job. All I 
know, this is one heck of a group, no matter what Buck says. You guys and girls 
are better than Facebook by far. MJ, you too. Merunanda and Card and even you 
irnanitea and Grandpa Xeno! Yes, Rory, Bharitu... cut and paste the whole 
current list:> 109 doctordumbass
> 106 authfriend
> 91 obbajeeba
> 86 Share Long
> 59 Seraphita
> 50 Ann
> 35 iranitea
> 31 Alex Stanley
> 30 Ravi Chivukula
> 28 RoryGoff
> 27 Bhairitu
> 25 emilymae.reyn
> 19 Mike Dixon
> 18 turquoiseb
> 18 Michael Jackson
> 17 merudanda
> 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> 16 Bob Price
> 14 Jason
> 13 sharelong60
> 13 emptybill
> 10 sparaig
> 10 salyavin808
> 10 card
> 9 Emily Reyn
> 7 bobpriced
> 7 azgrey
> 6 nablusoss1008
> 6 John
> 5 Rick Archer
> 4 raunchydog
> 4 Duveyoung
> 4 Buck
> 3 feste37
> 3 cardemaister
> 3 Susan
> 2 seventhray27
> 2 Dick Mays
> 1 wleed3
> 1 wgm4u
> 1 srijau
> 1 WLeed3
> 1 Richard J. Williams
> 1 PaliGap
> Posters: 44
Come on, Jump on in anytime here, anyone? 
Ann, it is going to be fun in Victoria.   

[FairfieldLife] Re: When the gods of rock mixed with the common people . . .

[Seraphita]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> . . . without even being self-conscious about it
> http://tinyurl.com/mrmwmfs  
For me, the expression on the girl at 00:50 encapsulates what the
sixties where really all about.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > First!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >> > 
> > > I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning 
> > > sermon about this weeks winners. ;-)
>  
> He will probably crib from that old-time classic of Jonathan Edwards 
> (1703-1758), "Winners in the hands of an angry God"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHijgqceXo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Manson mentally ill? You kidding me?

You aren't claiming Manson is sane, are you?

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj_55FHI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[RoryGoff]

Thank you so much, Ann; we may take you up on that on our next trip NW...and 
please feel free to come visit us here in Fairfield, as well! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry 
> > from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth.
> 
> Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One wonders what the belief they all share IS that
> > > > > > > > causes them to color their own perceptions and
> > > > > > > > shape them such that the "Barry Is Bad" meme has
> > > > > > > > basically taken over their lives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes
> > > > > > > him to color his own perceptions and shape them such
> > > > > > > that the ego-fantasy that "Barry Is Bad" has taken over
> > > > > > > our lives has taken over his life.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >His statement can only draw one (He thinks "They, their," as one
> > > > > > entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion:
> > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He might want to seek some medical help about this situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he
> > > > going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Yes, and he can find one of these type of places:
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > and/or
> > > > 
> > > >   when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
> > > >    comes, along,
> > > > we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :)   MJ, you have
> > > > that vacation home ready yet?
> > > 
> > > Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. 
> > > When do you want to come?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> First!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> > 
> > I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning 
> > sermon about this weeks winners. ;-)
 
He will probably crib from that old-time classic of Jonathan Edwards 
(1703-1758), "Winners in the hands of an angry God"

[FairfieldLife] When the gods of rock mixed with the common people . . .

[Seraphita]

. . . without even being self-conscious about it
http://tinyurl.com/mrmwmfs  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry 
> from Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth.

Well you can come and visit me anytime. I'm serious.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > One wonders what the belief they all share IS that
> > > > > > > causes them to color their own perceptions and
> > > > > > > shape them such that the "Barry Is Bad" meme has
> > > > > > > basically taken over their lives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes
> > > > > > him to color his own perceptions and shape them such
> > > > > > that the ego-fantasy that "Barry Is Bad" has taken over
> > > > > > our lives has taken over his life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >His statement can only draw one (He thinks "They, their," as one
> > > > > entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion:
> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > He might want to seek some medical help about this situation.
> > > >
> > > > But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he
> > > going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > Yes, and he can find one of these type of places:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me
> > > 
> > > 
> > > and/or
> > > 
> > >   when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
> > >    comes, along,
> > > we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :)   MJ, you have
> > > that vacation home ready yet?
> > 
> > Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When 
> > do you want to come?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)

[bobpriced]

Obba,

Wilma is a winner.

>From tonight's traffic I think its save to say the *enlightened* vote is
a write off, but its so small we won't notice; I'm a lot more concerned
about the delusional's, we'll need them to carry the electoral college,
any chance of getting Ravi to do a Rory impersonation till the polls
close?

I'm trying to find my old intro lecture notes (I save everything), I
thought we could use improved Social Behavior and World Peace as talking
points for the Raja; do you have any gold leaf in storage?

Your tickets are in the mail.

If Wilma's busy, how bout Janis---to give him a general idea of the beat
the campaign is looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb7cBfrxbo



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Hey Mr. Price, Bob,
>
> May I suggest this style of a C & W song for Ravi's campaign.
>   I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s
> or
>   Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk
>
> Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song
style
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ
> "call me darling, you
> never even call me by my name. mm"
>
> BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the
> whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then,
> okay?
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bobpriced"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > What is this about "Raja Ravi's standards are very high"?
> >
> >
> > ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge,
> > consciousness, and chutzpah
> > to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our
> lives,
> > and, as your campaign manager,
> > I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire
> > themselves out before we make our move;
> > Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific
> > Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking
> > up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has
> tires
> > him out, I think we can buy Buck's support
> > with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the
> > meantime, we need to launch our Share
> > strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos
> like
> > the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a
> > C&W hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title
like:
> > "My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite".
> > And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses
ask
> > you what you're for, just say:
> > "Change we can believe in" and drones.  More soon---its in the bag
my
> > friend.-BP
> >
> >   I can't be as
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[RoryGoff]

I love Victoria! We had a great time exploring it, getting there by ferry from 
Orcas -- which is also one of my all-time favorite places on earth.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > One wonders what the belief they all share IS that
> > > > > > causes them to color their own perceptions and
> > > > > > shape them such that the "Barry Is Bad" meme has
> > > > > > basically taken over their lives.
> > > > >
> > > > > One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes
> > > > > him to color his own perceptions and shape them such
> > > > > that the ego-fantasy that "Barry Is Bad" has taken over
> > > > > our lives has taken over his life.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >His statement can only draw one (He thinks "They, their," as one
> > > > entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion:
> > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > He might want to seek some medical help about this situation.
> > >
> > > But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he
> > going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY.
> > > >
> > >
> > Yes, and he can find one of these type of places:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me
> > 
> > 
> > and/or
> > 
> >   when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
> >    comes, along,
> > we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :)   MJ, you have
> > that vacation home ready yet?
> 
> Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do 
> you want to come?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> First!



>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
> >
> > On 08/23/2013 05:39 PM, obbajeeba wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Buck,
> > > How much did a foundation pay you to say that?
> > >
> > > Here, enjoy this documentary showing Rajas enjoying the
spiritually
> > > rich cultural dance of the islanders
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpD2757jrc
> > >
> > >
> > > You know, Bucky,  I am beginning to think there is a conspiracy
going
> > > on and one has to follow the money, they say.
> > >
> > > Hail the no Saint Policy in the domes!  Hail! Jai!
> > > Keep the no Saint Policy forever!
> > >
> > > There, now we have an even playing field?
> > >
> > > -Obba in third place this week!  Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!
> > >
> >
> > I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning
> > sermon about this weeks winners. ;-)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive
> > > name-calling ad hominem behavior here. Stop enabling it. If these
> > > people clearly have no personal restraint and it is not going to
be
> > > moderated by themselves then force upon them mailing their
personal
> > > vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their
abuse
> > > of the community and FFL. Yes, consider we give it all a break and
> > > suspend everyone from posting on FFL. Just let the archive stand
for
> > > what it is.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with
their
> > > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.
Good
> > > content drives readership. Relevant content is what drives
readership.
> > > You know that from your professional life. These few people have
> > > driven FFL to hell. They have effectively seized the forum and
driven
> > > all the good writers and the FFL audience away. It is time to do
away
> > > their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad
> > > hominem. Push to have the personal invective taken off the list.
It is
> > > time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded
and
> > > good people of the larger community.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that
is
> > > FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines
and
> > > closes the pages of the group entirely.
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > > > > 106 authfriend
> > > > > > > 91 obbajeeba
> > > > > > > 86 Share Long
> > > > > > > 59 Seraphita
> > > > > > > 50 Ann
> > > > > > > 35 iranitea
> > > > > > > 31 Alex Stanley
> > > > > > > 30 Ravi Chivukula
> > > > > > > 28 RoryGoff
> > > > > > > 27 Bhairitu
> > > > > > > 25 emilymae.reyn
> > > > > > > 19 Mike Dixon
> > > > > > > 18 turquoiseb
> > > > > > > 18 Michael Jackson
> > > > > > > 17 merudanda
> > > > > > > 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> > > > > > > 16 Bob Price
> > > > > > > 14 Jason
> > > > > > > 13 sharelong60
> > > > > > > 13 emptybill
> > > > > > > 10 sparaig
> > > > > > > 10 salyavin808
> > > > > > > 10 card
> > > > > > > 9 Emily Reyn
> > > > > > > 7 bobpriced
> > > > > > > 7 azgrey
> > > > > > > 6 nablusoss1008
> > > > > > > 6 John
> > > > > > > 5 Rick Archer
> > > > > > > 4 raunchydog
> > > > > > > 4 Duveyoung
> > > > > > > 4 Buck
> > > > > > > 3 feste37
> > > > > > > 3 cardemaister
> > > > > > > 3 Susan
> > > > > > > 2 seventhray27
> > > > > > > 2 Dick Mays
> > > > > > > 1 wleed3
> > > > > > > 1 wgm4u
> > > > > > > 1 srijau
> > > > > > > 1 WLeed3
> > > > > > > 1 Richard J. Williams
> > > > > > > 1 PaliGap
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> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.agreeded let return to but35 posts per wee

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
> >
> > I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol 
> 
> There's actually been *less* vitriol since the posting
> limit was lifted.

Absolutely. It is far more of a chatty sort of feel right now. Barry has taken 
a semi-powder (let's hope he decides to have a complete makeover), Bob 
interjects his brilliance to keep our IQ's up, Emily is her usual wise woman 
sage (though she doesn't realize the half of it), you seem to have the 
miscreants under control at the moment, Ravi is strangely quiet, the Doc is 
hilarious, Buck insists on parading like some scolding school marm, Sal is 
looking up a recipe on swan souffle, Xeno still needs a blood transfusion, 
Rory's heart seems on the mend, Obba is armed and ready, AZ is mostly watching 
TV, Alex is bananagramming when he's not trying to keep his mansion dust free. 
All in all, we're cool. 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[Seraphita]

Manson mentally ill? You kidding me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj_55FHI



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> I said "I can't believe you just wrote that. The mentally ill man who
is white, from the 60's infamous murder, and a mentally ill man who is
>  muslim  who killed, are the same . They are both, mentally ill. There
is no better mental illness."
>
> I did not say they were, "Better," mental illness. Read above.
>
>
> What is my learning curve?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > > "I can't believe you just wrote that. "
> > Stick around obbajeeba, you're on a learning curve.
> >
> > > "The mentally ill man who is white . . .  They are both, mentally
ill.
> > There is no better mental illness. "
> > "Better" mental illness?" WTF?  "Who is white": what's that got to
do
> > with it?
> > Mental illness = what doesn't conform to current standards as
mediated
> > by the media of the day.
> > The point I'm making is that Manson had real-life experiences while
> > Hassan has retreated to fantasy land. That's always appealing of
course.
> > I like to sojourn in fantasy land myself often enough - but it's not
> > what Reality is! Hassan has murdered innocent people because he's
been
> > possessed by a demonic obsession. That's the current Muslim world in
a
> > nutshell.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've got more more respect for Charles Manson than this tiresome
> > > > arsehole. At least Charlie had the nous to root for himself
while
> > this
> > > > dickhead really believes the 72 virgins crap the Islamists'
peddle.
> > > > (Women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be
> > satisfied
> > > > with him".) Charlie really did have his dick sucked by nubile
> > females!
> > > > What's wrong with these Muslims?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > He didn't put much of a defense.  IMO, his lawyers would
appeal
> > the
> > > > case since Hassan was not capable of defending himself and that
he
> > is
> > > > insane.  I'm surprised the judge of this case didn't see this
> > deficiency
> > > > in Nadal's personality.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://news.yahoo.com/video/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-guilty-182448138.\
\
> > \
> > > > html
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:

> Yes, something radical.  Well should FairfieldLife [FFL] at
> Yahoo-groups be improved spiritually by outlawing personal
> attacks between writers.  Yes.   You know, like actually
> enforcing the new Yahoo-groups rules by moderation.

Where can we find these new rules, Buck?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[doctordumbass]

First!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/23/2013 05:39 PM, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> >
> > Buck,
> > How much did a foundation pay you to say that?
> >
> > Here, enjoy this documentary showing Rajas enjoying the spiritually 
> > rich cultural dance of the islanders 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpD2757jrc
> >
> >
> > You know, Bucky,  I am beginning to think there is a conspiracy going 
> > on and one has to follow the money, they say.
> >
> > Hail the no Saint Policy in the domes!  Hail! Jai!
> > Keep the no Saint Policy forever!
> >
> > There, now we have an even playing field?
> >
> > -Obba in third place this week!  Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!
> >
> 
> I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning 
> sermon about this weeks winners. ;-)
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive 
> > name-calling ad hominem behavior here. Stop enabling it. If these 
> > people clearly have no personal restraint and it is not going to be 
> > moderated by themselves then force upon them mailing their personal 
> > vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse 
> > of the community and FFL. Yes, consider we give it all a break and 
> > suspend everyone from posting on FFL. Just let the archive stand for 
> > what it is.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
> > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group. Good 
> > content drives readership. Relevant content is what drives readership. 
> > You know that from your professional life. These few people have 
> > driven FFL to hell. They have effectively seized the forum and driven 
> > all the good writers and the FFL audience away. It is time to do away 
> > their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad 
> > hominem. Push to have the personal invective taken off the list. It is 
> > time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and 
> > good people of the larger community.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is 
> > FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and 
> > closes the pages of the group entirely.
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > > > 106 authfriend
> > > > > > 91 obbajeeba
> > > > > > 86 Share Long
> > > > > > 59 Seraphita
> > > > > > 50 Ann
> > > > > > 35 iranitea
> > > > > > 31 Alex Stanley
> > > > > > 30 Ravi Chivukula
> > > > > > 28 RoryGoff
> > > > > > 27 Bhairitu
> > > > > > 25 emilymae.reyn
> > > > > > 19 Mike Dixon
> > > > > > 18 turquoiseb
> > > > > > 18 Michael Jackson
> > > > > > 17 merudanda
> > > > > > 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> > > > > > 16 Bob Price
> > > > > > 14 Jason
> > > > > > 13 sharelong60
> > > > > > 13 emptybill
> > > > > > 10 sparaig
> > > > > > 10 salyavin808
> > > > > > 10 card
> > > > > > 9 Emily Reyn
> > > > > > 7 bobpriced
> > > > > > 7 azgrey
> > > > > > 6 nablusoss1008
> > > > > > 6 John
> > > > > > 5 Rick Archer
> > > > > > 4 raunchydog
> > > > > > 4 Duveyoung
> > > > > > 4 Buck
> > > > > > 3 feste37
> > > > > > 3 cardemaister
> > > > > > 3 Susan
> > > > > > 2 seventhray27
> > > > > > 2 Dick Mays
> > > > > > 1 wleed3
> > > > > > 1 wgm4u
> > > > > > 1 srijau
> > > > > > 1 WLeed3
> > > > > > 1 Richard J. Williams
> > > > > > 1 PaliGap
> > > > > > Posters: 44
> > > > > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > > > > > =
> > > > > > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > > > > > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > > > > > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > > > > > Standard Time (Winter):
> > > > > > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > > > > > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > > > > > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[doctordumbass]

well, I guess its better than writing, "all work and no play make Jack a dull 
boy", ten thousand times, before picking up an axe...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> He's not serious, right?
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial 
> > community of writers about FFL.  I do not feel that FFL should be 
> > maintained for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just 
> > write their personal animosities towards each other.  It is just abusive 
> > all the way around and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that 
> > you Rick had hoped for all along with  FFL.  These people have destroyed 
> > the readership of FFL.  There were long times that FFL was substantial and 
> > important to the spiritual well-being of Fairfield life.  Rick it would be 
> > better now that you turn off the posting to FFL and now just let the 
> > archive stand as the important historical resource that it has become for 
> > the scholarly.  But shut the posting-list down now and let these people 
> > find some other place to bait each other. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to 
> > > FF or FFL.  Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some 
> > > of the worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield.  
> > > Several come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even 
> > > meditate as if they have rights and are part of a community here.  These 
> > > angry and childish have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of 
> > > merit and most any writing that was communally relevant.  Yep, give the 
> > > FFL list a rest as a place to post.  Time to shut it off and re-group if 
> > > you won't moderate it and these people will not moderate themselves.  
> > > Hardly anyone is reading it anymore other than the few who post only to 
> > > antagonize one-another.  Put an end to it one way or another.  
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling 
> > > > ad hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly 
> > > > have no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by 
> > > > themselves then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas 
> > > > off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse of the 
> > > > community and FFL.  Yes, consider we give it all a break and suspend 
> > > > everyone from posting on FFL.  Just let the archive stand for what it 
> > > > is.  
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
> > > > > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  
> > > > > Good content drives readership.  Relevant content is what drives 
> > > > > readership.  You know that from your professional life.  These few 
> > > > > people have driven FFL to hell.  They have effectively seized the 
> > > > > forum and driven all the good writers  and the FFL audience away.  It 
> > > > > is time to do away their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an 
> > > > > end to the ad hominem.  Push to have the personal invective taken off 
> > > > > the list.  It is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the 
> > > > > civil, high-minded and good people of the larger community.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL 
> > > > > > before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and 
> > > > > > closes the pages of the group entirely. 
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > > > > 106 authfriend 
> > > > > > >  91 obbajeeba 
> > > > > > >  86 Share Long 
> > > > > > >  59 Seraphita 
> > > > > > >  50 Ann 
> > > > > > >  35 iranitea 
> > > > > > >  31 Alex Stanley 
> > > > > > >  30 Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > > > >  28 RoryGoff 
> > > > > > >  27 Bhairitu 
> > > > > > >  25 emilymae.reyn 
> > > > > > >  19 Mike Dixon 
> > > > > > >  18 turquoiseb 
> > > > > > >  18 Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > >  17 merudanda 
> > > > > > >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> > > > > > >  16 Bob Price 
> > > > > > >  14 Jason 
> > > > > > >  13 sharelong60 
> > > > > > >  13 emptybill 
> > > > > > >  10 sparaig 
> > > > > > >  10 salyavin808 
> > > > > > >  10 card 
> > > > > > >   9 Emily Reyn 
> > > > > > >   7 bobpriced 
> > > > > > >   7 azgrey 
> > > > > > >   6 nablusoss1008 
> > > > > > >   6 John 
> > > > > > >   5 Rick Archer 
> > > > > > >   4 raunchydog 
> > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing.  The 
> lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their 
> diluting flood of the post-count of FFL.  As an elder of the FFL community 
> here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument 
> on FFL, the Ad hominem .  These people's abuse of the list and community here 
> with the Ad hominem is too much.  Something radical, something different 
> needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place.
> Sincerely,
> -Buck
>

Yes, something radical.  Well should FairfieldLife [FFL] at Yahoo-groups be 
improved spiritually by outlawing personal attacks between writers.  Yes.   You 
know, like actually enforcing the new Yahoo-groups rules by moderation.   If  
the strong hand of a FFL moderator won't do for it, then maybe the Yahoo-Groups 
management can now be called in to save us all from the abuse of the Ad hominem 
hominids here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing.  
> > The lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their 
> > diluting flood of the post-count of FFL.  As an elder of the FFL community 
> > here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of 
> > argument on FFL, the Ad hominem .  These people's abuse of the list and 
> > community here with the Ad hominem is too much.  Something radical, 
> > something different needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free 
> > place.
> > Sincerely,
> > -Buck
> 
> Let's go back to 50 a week and stop the endless dross.

It's just that the forum has taken on the feel of texting at the moment. So 
what? Just people talkin'. It doesn't seem either more or less confrontational, 
maybe less actually. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCYQL8ouqw
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[obbajeeba]

I said "I can't believe you just wrote that. The mentally ill man who is white, 
from the 60's infamous murder, and a mentally ill man who is
 muslim  who killed, are the same . They are both, mentally ill. There is no 
better mental illness."

I did not say they were, "Better," mental illness. Read above.


What is my learning curve? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> > "I can't believe you just wrote that. "
> Stick around obbajeeba, you're on a learning curve.
> 
> > "The mentally ill man who is white . . .  They are both, mentally ill.
> There is no better mental illness. "
> "Better" mental illness?" WTF?  "Who is white": what's that got to do
> with it?
> Mental illness = what doesn't conform to current standards as mediated
> by the media of the day.
> The point I'm making is that Manson had real-life experiences while
> Hassan has retreated to fantasy land. That's always appealing of course.
> I like to sojourn in fantasy land myself often enough - but it's not
> what Reality is! Hassan has murdered innocent people because he's been
> possessed by a demonic obsession. That's the current Muslim world in a
> nutshell.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I've got more more respect for Charles Manson than this tiresome
> > > arsehole. At least Charlie had the nous to root for himself while
> this
> > > dickhead really believes the 72 virgins crap the Islamists' peddle.
> > > (Women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be
> satisfied
> > > with him".) Charlie really did have his dick sucked by nubile
> females!
> > > What's wrong with these Muslims?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He didn't put much of a defense.  IMO, his lawyers would appeal
> the
> > > case since Hassan was not capable of defending himself and that he
> is
> > > insane.  I'm surprised the judge of this case didn't see this
> deficiency
> > > in Nadal's personality.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://news.yahoo.com/video/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-guilty-182448138.\
> \
> > > html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > One wonders what the belief they all share IS that
> > > > > causes them to color their own perceptions and
> > > > > shape them such that the "Barry Is Bad" meme has
> > > > > basically taken over their lives.
> > > >
> > > > One wonders what the belief of Barry's IS that causes
> > > > him to color his own perceptions and shape them such
> > > > that the ego-fantasy that "Barry Is Bad" has taken over
> > > > our lives has taken over his life.
> > > >
> > > > (Does he realize we've been making fun of him?)
> > > >
> > >
> > >His statement can only draw one (He thinks "They, their," as one
> > > entity of all those he imagines who think he is bad.) conclusion:
> > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia
> > >
> > >
> > > He might want to seek some medical help about this situation.
> >
> > But if he divests himself of his paranoid delusions then who is he
> going to have as imaginary friends and enemies? He'll be so LONELY.
> > >
> >
> Yes, and he can find one of these type of places:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_lonely_will_anyone_speak_to_me
> 
> 
> and/or
> 
>   when a FFL Group Reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19k-YtwXTg
>    comes, along,
> we will find out the real reasons he behaves this way. :)   MJ, you have
> that vacation home ready yet?

Hey, I'm ready for all of you. Victoria is big enough for ALL of you. When do 
you want to come?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Seraphita]

Right, I broke through the 50 barrier without even working up a sweat.
Speed limits are for sissy boys and old maids.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
>
> 109 doctordumbass
> 106 authfriend
>  91 obbajeeba
>  86 Share Long
>  59 Seraphita
>  50 Ann
>  35 iranitea
>  31 Alex Stanley
>  30 Ravi Chivukula
>  28 RoryGoff
>  27 Bhairitu
>  25 emilymae.reyn
>  19 Mike Dixon
>  18 turquoiseb
>  18 Michael Jackson
>  17 merudanda
>  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
>  16 Bob Price
>  14 Jason
>  13 sharelong60
>  13 emptybill
>  10 sparaig
>  10 salyavin808
>  10 card
>   9 Emily Reyn
>   7 bobpriced
>   7 azgrey
>   6 nablusoss1008
>   6 John
>   5 Rick Archer
>   4 raunchydog
>   4 Duveyoung
>   4 Buck
>   3 feste37
>   3 cardemaister
>   3 Susan
>   2 seventhray27
>   2 Dick Mays
>   1 wleed3
>   1 wgm4u
>   1 srijau
>   1 WLeed3
>   1 Richard J. Williams
>   1 PaliGap
> Posters: 44
> Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> =
> Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> Standard Time (Winter):
> US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[doctordumbass]

I understand it is always a pain in the butt to be around people discussing 
something you know next to nothing about, Ravi, but bear with us, and we'll 
bear with you, too. Deal? Group Hug?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC,
> UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass
> and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the
> talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before
> > Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages
> > of the group entirely.
> > Sincerely,
> > -Buck
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > ===
> > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > >
> > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > 106 authfriend
> > > 91 obbajeeba
> > > 86 Share Long
> > > 59 Seraphita
> > > 50 Ann
> > > 35 iranitea
> > > 31 Alex Stanley
> > > 30 Ravi Chivukula
> > > 28 RoryGoff
> > > 27 Bhairitu
> > > 25 emilymae.reyn
> > > 19 Mike Dixon
> > > 18 turquoiseb
> > > 18 Michael Jackson
> > > 17 merudanda
> > > 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> > > 16 Bob Price
> > > 14 Jason
> > > 13 sharelong60
> > > 13 emptybill
> > > 10 sparaig
> > > 10 salyavin808
> > > 10 card
> > > 9 Emily Reyn
> > > 7 bobpriced
> > > 7 azgrey
> > > 6 nablusoss1008
> > > 6 John
> > > 5 Rick Archer
> > > 4 raunchydog
> > > 4 Duveyoung
> > > 4 Buck
> > > 3 feste37
> > > 3 cardemaister
> > > 3 Susan
> > > 2 seventhray27
> > > 2 Dick Mays
> > > 1 wleed3
> > > 1 wgm4u
> > > 1 srijau
> > > 1 WLeed3
> > > 1 Richard J. Williams
> > > 1 PaliGap
> > > Posters: 44
> > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > > =
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> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Seraphita]

"The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population.
But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners."
That says so much. If I was a citizen of your fair land this would be
the cause I'd take up.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738\
\
> .html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
> > 8.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0>
>
> There is a lot of corruption here. The prison industry has a lot of
> privatization and in some places, the Judges have stakes in those
> privatized prisons.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
> > To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has
always
> > been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system.
It
> > has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
> > prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
> > rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully
sue
> > McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts
> how
> > prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really
saddens
> > me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
> > degrades us when we descend to that level.)
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> > > > ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> > > > and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
> > > > necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
> > > > answer to that one I can't imagine.
> > >
> > > I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
> > > reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
> > > planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
> > > the circumstances she faces:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
> > > (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
\
> \
> > he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
> > > (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
\
> \
> > -changed.html
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
> > >
> > > Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
> > >
> > > How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
> > >
> > > ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
> > federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
> > inmates on a case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like
> > personal preference and safety needs," according to the ACLU, not
> solely
> > based on their genitals. The act bans "protective custody" for
> > transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and
it
> > requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
> > transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches of
> > transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as
> of
> > June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal
> funding.
> > >
> > > Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being
> transgender
> > already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
> > Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning
> would
> > be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
> > facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at
> Lambda
> > Legal] said
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Ann]

He's not serious, right?
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial 
> community of writers about FFL.  I do not feel that FFL should be maintained 
> for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just write their 
> personal animosities towards each other.  It is just abusive all the way 
> around and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that you Rick had 
> hoped for all along with  FFL.  These people have destroyed the readership of 
> FFL.  There were long times that FFL was substantial and important to the 
> spiritual well-being of Fairfield life.  Rick it would be better now that you 
> turn off the posting to FFL and now just let the archive stand as the 
> important historical resource that it has become for the scholarly.  But shut 
> the posting-list down now and let these people find some other place to bait 
> each other. 
> 
> > 
> > Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF 
> > or FFL.  Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of 
> > the worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield.  
> > Several come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate 
> > as if they have rights and are part of a community here.  These angry and 
> > childish have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most 
> > any writing that was communally relevant.  Yep, give the FFL list a rest as 
> > a place to post.  Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it 
> > and these people will not moderate themselves.  Hardly anyone is reading it 
> > anymore other than the few who post only to antagonize one-another.  Put an 
> > end to it one way or another.  
> > 
> > > 
> > > We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad 
> > > hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly have 
> > > no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves 
> > > then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop 
> > > to subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL.  Yes, 
> > > consider we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL. 
> > >  Just let the archive stand for what it is.  
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
> > > > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good 
> > > > content drives readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership. 
> > > >  You know that from your professional life.  These few people have 
> > > > driven FFL to hell.  They have effectively seized the forum and driven 
> > > > all the good writers  and the FFL audience away.  It is time to do away 
> > > > their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad 
> > > > hominem.  Push to have the personal invective taken off the list.  It 
> > > > is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded 
> > > > and good people of the larger community.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL 
> > > > > before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and 
> > > > > closes the pages of the group entirely. 
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > > > 106 authfriend 
> > > > > >  91 obbajeeba 
> > > > > >  86 Share Long 
> > > > > >  59 Seraphita 
> > > > > >  50 Ann 
> > > > > >  35 iranitea 
> > > > > >  31 Alex Stanley 
> > > > > >  30 Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > > >  28 RoryGoff 
> > > > > >  27 Bhairitu 
> > > > > >  25 emilymae.reyn 
> > > > > >  19 Mike Dixon 
> > > > > >  18 turquoiseb 
> > > > > >  18 Michael Jackson 
> > > > > >  17 merudanda 
> > > > > >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> > > > > >  16 Bob Price 
> > > > > >  14 Jason 
> > > > > >  13 sharelong60 
> > > > > >  13 emptybill 
> > > > > >  10 sparaig 
> > > > > >  10 salyavin808 
> > > > > >  10 card 
> > > > > >   9 Emily Reyn 
> > > > > >   7 bobpriced 
> > > > > >   7 azgrey 
> > > > > >   6 nablusoss1008 
> > > > > >   6 John 
> > > > > >   5 Rick Archer 
> > > > > >   4 raunchydog 
> > > > > >   4 Duveyoung 
> > > > > >   4 Buck 
> > > > > >   3 feste37
> > > > > >   3 cardemaister
> > > > > >   3 Susan 
> > > > > >   2 seventhray27 
> > > > > >   2 Dick Mays 
> > > > > >   1 wleed3 
> > > > > >   1 wgm4u 
> > > > > >   1 srijau
> > > > > >   1 WLeed3
> > > > > >   1 Richard J. Williams 
> > > > > >   1 PaliGap 
> > > > > > Posters: 44
> > > > > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollov

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

[doctordumbass]

Well said, Z! The clearest, most balanced post from you I have seen.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe 
> > that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of 
> > enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does 
> > have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened.
>   
> > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you 
> > can't make absolute, across-the-board "rules" that apply to all individuals 
> > without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of 
> > falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that.
> 
> > My opinion, anyway.
> 
> > [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like 
> > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, format, a 
> > schedule, a list of "symptoms."
> 
> First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of, one ends 
> up with a unity-centric ontology, the basic progression is that the mind's 
> focus on individuality shifts to universality, and the ego is left without a 
> job. The ego is why a person fears death. It's a fiction that conveniently 
> wraps around various processes going on in experience, but it dies with great 
> difficulty for most.
> 
> Conventionally we still use nomenclature when we converse with other bodies 
> because it simplifies communication to say 'yours', 'mine', 'me', 'I', etc., 
> when transferring information between minds. As we start out, everyone has a 
> personal ontology experience, so what is unique about what everyone has? It's 
> like different coloured coffee cups, that are otherwise all the same.
> 
> The basic scheme of enlightenment is 'me' progressing to 'everything all 
> together'. The details in between I think are pretty much as you surmise - 
> different people experience the letting go of intitial state of spiritual 
> progress differently, though there seem to be some basic commonalities. 
> 
> In attempting to 'harmonise' various traditions, I would say the common 
> states described would correspond to M's WC, CC, and UC/BC. Traditions with 
> meditation might add TC, although some, perhaps those meditating with 
> mindfulness kinds of meditation, may not experience TC at all because that 
> meditation is really aimed at UC (which is probably why many find it more 
> difficult than TM). 
> 
> Mindfulness meditators may become aware at some point they are in a state 
> that is with TM called CC; in other words, TC is not necessarily described as 
> the goal, since in this meditation, you just sit there silently, which is how 
> meditation functions in unity, there not being an inward and outward stroke. 
> As far as I am aware, TM is not necessarily superior to these other methods 
> as far as the final result; more important may be how much you want the final 
> result. GC is more interesting as some traditions would consider the refined 
> visions of GC as just sensory illusions, which then dissipate when unity 
> dawns.
> 
> The greatest difficulty I have heard people mention when talking of their 
> experience outside of the TM movement is the loss of the sense of small self, 
> or ego. Some people simply chicken out when they see that enlightenment is 
> not about personal ontology. If they manage to chicken out prior to a very 
> clear awakening, they might be able to go back to being the fake person they 
> were before without much difficulty. People with a strong ego-structured mind 
> might have the most resistance to this process of 'enlightenment'. Some 
> people become frightened, really frightened. They have so much invested in 
> 'who they are'.
> 
> Enlightenment is not about your specialness in any way other than the 
> capacity to be enlightened, so when you reach that threshold where you can go 
> either way, you can either be a coward, or accept the fact you are going to 
> die before your physical death. If the awakening is clear enough you do not 
> get to go back, and any remaining issues you have you just have to hack 
> through them, which really means they hack through the fictional 'you' until 
> that 'you' is basically history. This is not necessarily pleasant.
> 
> I think you are correct in assuming that the progression of experience is 
> highly variable depending on the starting point and the 'karma' of the 
> person, the history associated with an individual body. Some never make it; 
> some breeze through without a hitch or any seeming progression (a very small 
> number), and everyone else is in between somewhere. 
> 
> I suppose if you had a map of what might happen, it might be like a map of 
> the United States with New York on one side, and San Francisco on the other, 
> and some vague change of colour in between annotate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[Seraphita]

> "I can't believe you just wrote that. "
Stick around obbajeeba, you're on a learning curve.

> "The mentally ill man who is white . . .  They are both, mentally ill.
There is no better mental illness. "
"Better" mental illness?" WTF?  "Who is white": what's that got to do
with it?
Mental illness = what doesn't conform to current standards as mediated
by the media of the day.
The point I'm making is that Manson had real-life experiences while
Hassan has retreated to fantasy land. That's always appealing of course.
I like to sojourn in fantasy land myself often enough - but it's not
what Reality is! Hassan has murdered innocent people because he's been
possessed by a demonic obsession. That's the current Muslim world in a
nutshell.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> I can't believe you just wrote that. The mentally ill man who is
white, from the 60's infamous murder, and a mentally ill man who is
muslim  who killed, are the same . They are both, mentally ill.
>  There is no better mental illness.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > I've got more more respect for Charles Manson than this tiresome
> > arsehole. At least Charlie had the nous to root for himself while
this
> > dickhead really believes the 72 virgins crap the Islamists' peddle.
> > (Women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be
satisfied
> > with him".) Charlie really did have his dick sucked by nubile
females!
> > What's wrong with these Muslims?
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > He didn't put much of a defense.  IMO, his lawyers would appeal
the
> > case since Hassan was not capable of defending himself and that he
is
> > insane.  I'm surprised the judge of this case didn't see this
deficiency
> > in Nadal's personality.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://news.yahoo.com/video/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-guilty-182448138.\
\
> > html
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
> To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has always
> been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system. It
> has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
> prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
> rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully sue
> McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts how
> prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really saddens
> me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
> degrades us when we descend to that level.)

Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. It's just a terrible,
ghastly disgrace. A lot of people who might otherwise be
salvageable *become* incorrigible low-lifes after being
incarcerated.

You might be interested in this post on the blog Talk
Left (run by one of the defense attorneys for Timothy
McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber), on Manning's
situation (including links to other articles and a
post on relevant case law from Courthouse News Service):

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/8/22/163920/964/civilliberties/Chelsea-Manning-Requests-Hormone-Treatment

http://tinyurl.com/l3sf4ej

Check out the comments for this post. Several of the
commenters have knowledge of what's involved in
transitioning for transgender folks and some thoughts on
how important it is for their mental health (and 
physical health as well, in that the rate of suicide
among untreated transgender individuals is *very* high).






> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > > Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> > > ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> > > and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
> > > necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
> > > answer to that one I can't imagine.
> >
> > I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
> > reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
> > planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
> > the circumstances she faces:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
> > (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
> >
> >
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
> he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
> > (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
> >
> >
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
> -changed.html
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
> >
> > Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
> >
> > How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
> >
> > ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
> federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
> inmates on a case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like
> personal preference and safety needs," according to the ACLU, not solely
> based on their genitals. The act bans "protective custody" for
> transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
> requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
> transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches of
> transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as of
> June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.
> >
> > Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender
> already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
> Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning would
> be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
> facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at Lambda
> Legal] said
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Bhairitu]

On 08/23/2013 05:39 PM, obbajeeba wrote:



Buck,
How much did a foundation pay you to say that?

Here, enjoy this documentary showing Rajas enjoying the spiritually 
rich cultural dance of the islanders 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpD2757jrc



You know, Bucky,  I am beginning to think there is a conspiracy going 
on and one has to follow the money, they say.


Hail the no Saint Policy in the domes!  Hail! Jai!
Keep the no Saint Policy forever!

There, now we have an even playing field?

-Obba in third place this week!  Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!



I'm sure the Reverend Turq will have something to say in his morning 
sermon about this weeks winners. ;-)






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
>
> We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive 
name-calling ad hominem behavior here. Stop enabling it. If these 
people clearly have no personal restraint and it is not going to be 
moderated by themselves then force upon them mailing their personal 
vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse 
of the community and FFL. Yes, consider we give it all a break and 
suspend everyone from posting on FFL. Just let the archive stand for 
what it is.

>
> >
> > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group. Good 
content drives readership. Relevant content is what drives readership. 
You know that from your professional life. These few people have 
driven FFL to hell. They have effectively seized the forum and driven 
all the good writers and the FFL audience away. It is time to do away 
their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad 
hominem. Push to have the personal invective taken off the list. It is 
time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and 
good people of the larger community.

> >
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is 
FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and 
closes the pages of the group entirely.

> > > Sincerely,
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > ===
> > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > >
> > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > 106 authfriend
> > > > 91 obbajeeba
> > > > 86 Share Long
> > > > 59 Seraphita
> > > > 50 Ann
> > > > 35 iranitea
> > > > 31 Alex Stanley
> > > > 30 Ravi Chivukula
> > > > 28 RoryGoff
> > > > 27 Bhairitu
> > > > 25 emilymae.reyn
> > > > 19 Mike Dixon
> > > > 18 turquoiseb
> > > > 18 Michael Jackson
> > > > 17 merudanda
> > > > 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> > > > 16 Bob Price
> > > > 14 Jason
> > > > 13 sharelong60
> > > > 13 emptybill
> > > > 10 sparaig
> > > > 10 salyavin808
> > > > 10 card
> > > > 9 Emily Reyn
> > > > 7 bobpriced
> > > > 7 azgrey
> > > > 6 nablusoss1008
> > > > 6 John
> > > > 5 Rick Archer
> > > > 4 raunchydog
> > > > 4 Duveyoung
> > > > 4 Buck
> > > > 3 feste37
> > > > 3 cardemaister
> > > > 3 Susan
> > > > 2 seventhray27
> > > > 2 Dick Mays
> > > > 1 wleed3
> > > > 1 wgm4u
> > > > 1 srijau
> > > > 1 WLeed3
> > > > 1 Richard J. Williams
> > > > 1 PaliGap
> > > > Posters: 44
> > > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > > > =
> > > > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > > > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > > > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > > > Standard Time (Winter):
> > > > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > > > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > > > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[obbajeeba]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738\
.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


There is a lot of corruption here. The prison industry has a lot of
privatization and in some places, the Judges have stakes in those
privatized prisons.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
> To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has always
> been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system. It
> has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
> prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
> rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully sue
> McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts
how
> prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really saddens
> me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
> degrades us when we descend to that level.)
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > > Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> > > ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> > > and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
> > > necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
> > > answer to that one I can't imagine.
> >
> > I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
> > reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
> > planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
> > the circumstances she faces:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
> > (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
> >
> >
>
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
\
> he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
> > (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
> >
> >
>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
\
> -changed.html
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
> >
> > Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
> >
> > How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
> >
> > ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
> federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
> inmates on a case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like
> personal preference and safety needs," according to the ACLU, not
solely
> based on their genitals. The act bans "protective custody" for
> transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
> requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
> transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches of
> transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as
of
> June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal
funding.
> >
> > Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being
transgender
> already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
> Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning
would
> be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
> facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at
Lambda
> Legal] said
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[obbajeeba]

I can't believe you just wrote that. The mentally ill man who is white, from 
the 60's infamous murder, and a mentally ill man who is muslim  who killed, are 
the same . They are both, mentally ill.
 There is no better mental illness.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> I've got more more respect for Charles Manson than this tiresome
> arsehole. At least Charlie had the nous to root for himself while this
> dickhead really believes the 72 virgins crap the Islamists' peddle.
> (Women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied
> with him".) Charlie really did have his dick sucked by nubile females!
> What's wrong with these Muslims?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > He didn't put much of a defense.  IMO, his lawyers would appeal the
> case since Hassan was not capable of defending himself and that he is
> insane.  I'm surprised the judge of this case didn't see this deficiency
> in Nadal's personality.
> >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/video/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-guilty-182448138.\
> html
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Seraphita]

Thanks for your response. That has given me food for thought.
To me, one of the more grotesque features of American life has always
been the horrendous treatment of prisoners in the US prison system. It
has always astonished me that convicts have not been able to sue the
prison authorities for the gross abuse they are subject to: and yes,
rape is top of the list. When you think that citizens successfully sue
McDonalds for scalding hot coffee and other crap through the courts how
prisoners are still subject to such barbaric treatment really saddens
me. (And, yes, I know lots of them are complete low-lifes, but it
degrades us when we descend to that level.)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
>
> > Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> > ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> > and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
> > necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
> > answer to that one I can't imagine.
>
> I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
> reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
> planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
> the circumstances she faces:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
> (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
>
>
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
> (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
>
>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
-changed.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
>
> Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
>
> How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
>
> ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
inmates on a case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like
personal preference and safety needs," according to the ACLU, not solely
based on their genitals. The act bans "protective custody" for
transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches of
transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as of
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.
>
> Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender
already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning would
be best protected by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's
facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender rights project director at Lambda
Legal] said
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[Seraphita]

I've got more more respect for Charles Manson than this tiresome
arsehole. At least Charlie had the nous to root for himself while this
dickhead really believes the 72 virgins crap the Islamists' peddle.
(Women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied
with him".) Charlie really did have his dick sucked by nubile females!
What's wrong with these Muslims?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> He didn't put much of a defense.  IMO, his lawyers would appeal the
case since Hassan was not capable of defending himself and that he is
insane.  I'm surprised the judge of this case didn't see this deficiency
in Nadal's personality.
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/video/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-guilty-182448138.\
html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[obbajeeba]

Judy, duplicate posts of yours showed up on ffl board.
 
Also in my email. I have been getting duplicates of misc. people through out 
the day, in my email box. Very strange. Delayed posts too. Responses from this 
morning from different posters, showing up all day, out of sync.
Don't know how else to explain it, I was just living with the "bug," and 
ignoring it annoying act. hahah

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > You can delete your duplicate posts yeah? For some reason I
> > didn't get any duplicate posts of yours
> 
> Are you using the Web site or getting the posts via email?
> As I recall, last time we started getting duplicates, it
> was only on the Web site.
> 
> I guess I should delete the duplicates... 
> 
> > but it's been a big mess with Yahoo for the past
> > week - delayed posts, duplicate posts and some that I have
> > never received.
> 
> Far as I know, except for a few duplicates here and there
> (nothing like five in a row for anybody else!), the Web
> site hasn't had any other problems. I haven't seen any
> posts quoted that I haven't received, at any rate, and I
> think all my posts have appeared immediately.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:46 PM, authfriend  wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?
> > > >
> > > > Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
> > > > to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
> > > > I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
> > > > 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
> > > > than TM defenders.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> 
> Key words: "that you apply across the board"

Right; I don't know about across the board. I wouldn't say it is a majority of 
people's takes on it here in FF, but it is that of many of the people I know 
well here, and perhaps close to a majority of the people I know very well. 
There seem to be more and more people here reporting similar "deaths" or 
awakenings that I am aware of, anyhow.
 
> What I question is whether any of the elements Xeno 
> describes are universally applicable. I think there
> are likely many exceptions and anomalies.

Undoubtedly.
 
> I did not suggest that any individual's reported
> experience was a lie.

 
No, nor did I mean to imply such; I was agreeing with Xeno's last line, that 
any such description is of necessity a big, big lie, but we do the best we can 
:-) 


> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to 
> > > > > believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the 
> > > > > development of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have 
> > > > > *this* experience or does have *that* experience, it means they are 
> > > > > (or are not) enlightened.
> > > >   
> > > > > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, 
> > > > > but you can't make absolute, across-the-board "rules" that apply to 
> > > > > all individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with 
> > > > > the experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person 
> > > > > ontology remains just that.
> > > > 
> > > > > My opinion, anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > > [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like 
> > > > > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, format, a 
> > > > > schedule, a list of "symptoms."
> > > > 
> > > > First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of
> > > 
> > > I question this and every other statement you've made
> > > in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed
> > > to describing your own experience. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > , one ends up with a unity-centric ontology, the basic progression is 
> > > that the mind's focus on individuality shifts to universality, and the 
> > > ego is left without a job. The ego is why a person fears death. It's a 
> > > fiction that conveniently wraps around various processes going on in 
> > > experience, but it dies with great difficulty for most.
> > > > 
> > > > Conventionally we still use nomenclature when we converse with other 
> > > > bodies because it simplifies communication to say 'yours', 'mine', 
> > > > 'me', 'I', etc., when transferring information between minds. As we 
> > > > start out, everyone has a personal ontology experience, so what is 
> > > > unique about what everyone has? It's like different coloured coffee 
> > > > cups, that are otherwise all the same.
> > > > 
> > > > The basic scheme of enlightenment is 'me' progressing to 'everything 
> > > > all together'. The details in between I think are pretty much as you 
> > > > surmise - different people experience the letting go of intitial state 
> > > > of spiritual progress differently, though there seem to be some basic 
> > > > commonalities. 
> > > > 
> > > > In attempting to 'harmonise' various traditions, I would say the common 
> > > > states described would correspond to M's WC, CC, and UC/BC. Traditions 
> > > > with meditation might add TC, although some, perhaps those meditating 
> > > > with mindfulness kinds of meditation, may not experience TC at all 
> > > > because that meditation is really aimed at UC (which is probably why 
> > > > many find it more difficult than TM). 
> > > > 
> > > > Mindfulness meditators may become aware at some point they are in a 
> > > > state that is with TM called CC; in other words, TC is not necessarily 
> > > > described as the goal, since in this meditation, you just sit there 
> > > > silently, which is how meditation functions in unity, there not being 
> > > > an inward and outward stroke. As far as I am aware, TM is not 
> > > > necessarily superior to these other methods as far as the final result; 
> > > > more important may be how much you want the final result. GC is more 
> > > > interesting as some traditions would consider the refined visions of GC 
> > > > as just sensory illusions, which then dissipate when unity dawns.
> > > > 
> > > > The greatest difficulty I have heard people mention when talking of 
> > > > their experience outside of the TM movement is the loss of the sense of 
> > > > small self, or ego. Some people simply chicken out when they see that 
> > > > enlightenment is not about personal ontology. If they manage to chick

[FairfieldLife] Re: Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)

[obbajeeba]

Hey Mr. Price, Bob,

May I suggest this style of a C & W song for Ravi's campaign.
  I just love Patsy's voice youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s
or
  Ms. Wilma Burgess (brave beautiful openly lesbian country singer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZI1-K5YbEk

Getting Ravi in the mood for country. Or there always is this song style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_eBvXGTQ
"call me darling, you
never even call me by my name. mm"

BTW, tentative NE, until my plane ticket arrives... I'll cover the 
whole southwestern and the whole lower eastern seaboard until then,
okay?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bobpriced"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >
>
> >
> > What is this about "Raja Ravi's standards are very high"?
>
>
> ***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge,
> consciousness, and chutzpah
> to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our
lives,
> and, as your campaign manager,
> I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire
> themselves out before we make our move;
> Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific
> Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking
> up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has
tires
> him out, I think we can buy Buck's support
> with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the
> meantime, we need to launch our Share
> strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos
like
> the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a
> C&W hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like:
> "My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite".
> And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask
> you what you're for, just say:
> "Change we can believe in" and drones.  More soon---its in the bag my
> friend.-BP
>
>   I can't be as
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:

Salyavin wrote:
> 
> > Let's go back to 50 a week and stop the endless dross.
> 
> If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after
> Alex has had his month's reprieve.

Rick, if you don't have the time to look at a significant
number of the posts to see what's been happening, make sure
you get a wide sampling of opinion. Here's mine:

As far as "ad hominem" is concerned, my sense is that there
has been much, much more of a friendly, communal feeling here
since the limit was lifted. The worst of the ad hominem-ers
has mostly been keeping his head down, which has reduced the
ad-hom quotient considerably, but it may go up again once
his vacation is over.

There's still a lot of frivolous posts this week, but they
really don't pose a problem; and there have also been many
more substantive discussions on a wider range of topics than
when the posting limit was in effect. It's just been a
pleasure to be able to expand into an interesting
conversation. Nobody has been attempting to "drown out"
anybody, but then that was always a silly myth.

This past week we had only about 2/3 the number of posts
as the previous week (922 vs. 1372). So my prediction that
things would slow down once we got used to the new freedom
seems to have been borne out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[Ravi Chivukula]

I prefer to read it on Gmail but like I said it's been horrible and so I'm
being forced to go to FFL page for the past few days - we have had this in
the past, but not for this long. Yes I have never seen posts being
duplicated like yours, but I only got single copies of it on Gmail - too
weird, no consistent markers for these Yahoo issues.



On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:09 PM, authfriend  wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > You can delete your duplicate posts yeah? For some reason I
> > didn't get any duplicate posts of yours
>
> Are you using the Web site or getting the posts via email?
> As I recall, last time we started getting duplicates, it
> was only on the Web site.
>
> I guess I should delete the duplicates...
>
> > but it's been a big mess with Yahoo for the past
> > week - delayed posts, duplicate posts and some that I have
> > never received.
>
> Far as I know, except for a few duplicates here and there
> (nothing like five in a row for anybody else!), the Web
> site hasn't had any other problems. I haven't seen any
> posts quoted that I haven't received, at any rate, and I
> think all my posts have appeared immediately.
>
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:46 PM, authfriend  wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?
> > > >
> > > > Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
> > > > to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
> > > > I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
> > > > 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
> > > > than TM defenders.
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> You can delete your duplicate posts yeah? For some reason I
> didn't get any duplicate posts of yours

Are you using the Web site or getting the posts via email?
As I recall, last time we started getting duplicates, it
was only on the Web site.

I guess I should delete the duplicates... 

> but it's been a big mess with Yahoo for the past
> week - delayed posts, duplicate posts and some that I have
> never received.

Far as I know, except for a few duplicates here and there
(nothing like five in a row for anybody else!), the Web
site hasn't had any other problems. I haven't seen any
posts quoted that I haven't received, at any rate, and I
think all my posts have appeared immediately.



> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:46 PM, authfriend  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?
> > >
> > > Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
> > > to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
> > > I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
> > > 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
> > > than TM defenders.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Ravi Chivukula]

Buck - tell you what. You need a new list where you can discuss TM, CC, GC,
UC, BC ad nauseam. We will split the top 4 posters, you take Dr. Dumbass
and Stupid Share and we will keep Judy Durga and Obba Gopi. Plus with the
talent you will have you can follow Twitter style 140 characters or less.


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Buck  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before
> Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages
> of the group entirely.
> Sincerely,
> -Buck
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount 
> wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
> > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> >
> > 109 doctordumbass
> > 106 authfriend
> > 91 obbajeeba
> > 86 Share Long
> > 59 Seraphita
> > 50 Ann
> > 35 iranitea
> > 31 Alex Stanley
> > 30 Ravi Chivukula
> > 28 RoryGoff
> > 27 Bhairitu
> > 25 emilymae.reyn
> > 19 Mike Dixon
> > 18 turquoiseb
> > 18 Michael Jackson
> > 17 merudanda
> > 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> > 16 Bob Price
> > 14 Jason
> > 13 sharelong60
> > 13 emptybill
> > 10 sparaig
> > 10 salyavin808
> > 10 card
> > 9 Emily Reyn
> > 7 bobpriced
> > 7 azgrey
> > 6 nablusoss1008
> > 6 John
> > 5 Rick Archer
> > 4 raunchydog
> > 4 Duveyoung
> > 4 Buck
> > 3 feste37
> > 3 cardemaister
> > 3 Susan
> > 2 seventhray27
> > 2 Dick Mays
> > 1 wleed3
> > 1 wgm4u
> > 1 srijau
> > 1 WLeed3
> > 1 Richard J. Williams
> > 1 PaliGap
> > Posters: 44
> > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > =
> > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > Standard Time (Winter):
> > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> Matches my take on it rather closely, anyhow, as well as (near as I can tell) 
> that of a number of others here in FF -- we must share the same big, big lie 
> :-)

Key words: "that you apply across the board"

What I question is whether any of the elements Xeno 
describes are universally applicable. I think there
are likely many exceptions and anomalies.

I did not suggest that any individual's reported
experience was a lie.





> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to 
> > > > believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the 
> > > > development of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* 
> > > > experience or does have *that* experience, it means they are (or are 
> > > > not) enlightened.
> > >   
> > > > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but 
> > > > you can't make absolute, across-the-board "rules" that apply to all 
> > > > individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with the 
> > > > experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology 
> > > > remains just that.
> > > 
> > > > My opinion, anyway.
> > > 
> > > > [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like 
> > > > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, format, a 
> > > > schedule, a list of "symptoms."
> > > 
> > > First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of
> > 
> > I question this and every other statement you've made
> > in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed
> > to describing your own experience. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > , one ends up with a unity-centric ontology, the basic progression is that 
> > the mind's focus on individuality shifts to universality, and the ego is 
> > left without a job. The ego is why a person fears death. It's a fiction 
> > that conveniently wraps around various processes going on in experience, 
> > but it dies with great difficulty for most.
> > > 
> > > Conventionally we still use nomenclature when we converse with other 
> > > bodies because it simplifies communication to say 'yours', 'mine', 'me', 
> > > 'I', etc., when transferring information between minds. As we start out, 
> > > everyone has a personal ontology experience, so what is unique about what 
> > > everyone has? It's like different coloured coffee cups, that are 
> > > otherwise all the same.
> > > 
> > > The basic scheme of enlightenment is 'me' progressing to 'everything all 
> > > together'. The details in between I think are pretty much as you surmise 
> > > - different people experience the letting go of intitial state of 
> > > spiritual progress differently, though there seem to be some basic 
> > > commonalities. 
> > > 
> > > In attempting to 'harmonise' various traditions, I would say the common 
> > > states described would correspond to M's WC, CC, and UC/BC. Traditions 
> > > with meditation might add TC, although some, perhaps those meditating 
> > > with mindfulness kinds of meditation, may not experience TC at all 
> > > because that meditation is really aimed at UC (which is probably why many 
> > > find it more difficult than TM). 
> > > 
> > > Mindfulness meditators may become aware at some point they are in a state 
> > > that is with TM called CC; in other words, TC is not necessarily 
> > > described as the goal, since in this meditation, you just sit there 
> > > silently, which is how meditation functions in unity, there not being an 
> > > inward and outward stroke. As far as I am aware, TM is not necessarily 
> > > superior to these other methods as far as the final result; more 
> > > important may be how much you want the final result. GC is more 
> > > interesting as some traditions would consider the refined visions of GC 
> > > as just sensory illusions, which then dissipate when unity dawns.
> > > 
> > > The greatest difficulty I have heard people mention when talking of their 
> > > experience outside of the TM movement is the loss of the sense of small 
> > > self, or ego. Some people simply chicken out when they see that 
> > > enlightenment is not about personal ontology. If they manage to chicken 
> > > out prior to a very clear awakening, they might be able to go back to 
> > > being the fake person they were before without much difficulty. People 
> > > with a strong ego-structured mind might have the most resistance to this 
> > > process of 'enlightenment'. Some people become frightened, really 
> > > frightened. They have so much invested in 'who they are'.
> > > 
> > > Enlightenment is not about your specialness in any way other than the 
> > > capacity to be enlightened, so when you reach that threshold wh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[Ravi Chivukula]

You can delete your duplicate posts yeah? For some reason I didn't get any
duplicate posts of yours but it's been a big mess with Yahoo for the past
week - delayed posts, duplicate posts and some that I have never received.


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:46 PM, authfriend  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?
> >
> > Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
> > to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
> > I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
> > 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
> > than TM defenders.
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

[RoryGoff]

Matches my take on it rather closely, anyhow, as well as (near as I can tell) 
that of a number of others here in FF -- we must share the same big, big lie :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to 
> > > believe that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development 
> > > of enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or 
> > > does have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened.
> >   
> > > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but 
> > > you can't make absolute, across-the-board "rules" that apply to all 
> > > individuals without exception, any more than you can do it with the 
> > > experience of falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology 
> > > remains just that.
> > 
> > > My opinion, anyway.
> > 
> > > [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like 
> > > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, format, a 
> > > schedule, a list of "symptoms."
> > 
> > First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of
> 
> I question this and every other statement you've made
> in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed
> to describing your own experience. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> , one ends up with a unity-centric ontology, the basic progression is that 
> the mind's focus on individuality shifts to universality, and the ego is left 
> without a job. The ego is why a person fears death. It's a fiction that 
> conveniently wraps around various processes going on in experience, but it 
> dies with great difficulty for most.
> > 
> > Conventionally we still use nomenclature when we converse with other bodies 
> > because it simplifies communication to say 'yours', 'mine', 'me', 'I', 
> > etc., when transferring information between minds. As we start out, 
> > everyone has a personal ontology experience, so what is unique about what 
> > everyone has? It's like different coloured coffee cups, that are otherwise 
> > all the same.
> > 
> > The basic scheme of enlightenment is 'me' progressing to 'everything all 
> > together'. The details in between I think are pretty much as you surmise - 
> > different people experience the letting go of intitial state of spiritual 
> > progress differently, though there seem to be some basic commonalities. 
> > 
> > In attempting to 'harmonise' various traditions, I would say the common 
> > states described would correspond to M's WC, CC, and UC/BC. Traditions with 
> > meditation might add TC, although some, perhaps those meditating with 
> > mindfulness kinds of meditation, may not experience TC at all because that 
> > meditation is really aimed at UC (which is probably why many find it more 
> > difficult than TM). 
> > 
> > Mindfulness meditators may become aware at some point they are in a state 
> > that is with TM called CC; in other words, TC is not necessarily described 
> > as the goal, since in this meditation, you just sit there silently, which 
> > is how meditation functions in unity, there not being an inward and outward 
> > stroke. As far as I am aware, TM is not necessarily superior to these other 
> > methods as far as the final result; more important may be how much you want 
> > the final result. GC is more interesting as some traditions would consider 
> > the refined visions of GC as just sensory illusions, which then dissipate 
> > when unity dawns.
> > 
> > The greatest difficulty I have heard people mention when talking of their 
> > experience outside of the TM movement is the loss of the sense of small 
> > self, or ego. Some people simply chicken out when they see that 
> > enlightenment is not about personal ontology. If they manage to chicken out 
> > prior to a very clear awakening, they might be able to go back to being the 
> > fake person they were before without much difficulty. People with a strong 
> > ego-structured mind might have the most resistance to this process of 
> > 'enlightenment'. Some people become frightened, really frightened. They 
> > have so much invested in 'who they are'.
> > 
> > Enlightenment is not about your specialness in any way other than the 
> > capacity to be enlightened, so when you reach that threshold where you can 
> > go either way, you can either be a coward, or accept the fact you are going 
> > to die before your physical death. If the awakening is clear enough you do 
> > not get to go back, and any remaining issues you have you just have to hack 
> > through them, which really means they hack through the fictional 'you' 
> > until that 'you' is basically history. This is not necessarily pleasant.
> > 
> > I think you are correct in assuming that the progression of experience is 
> > highly variable de

[FairfieldLife] Get out the vote (was Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV)

[bobpriced]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>

>
> What is this about "Raja Ravi's standards are very high"?


***I happen to believe you're the only one with the knowledge,
consciousness, and chutzpah
to moderate this board, but its shaping up to be the race of our lives,
and, as your campaign manager,
I think it vital you don't peak too early; let Buck and Richard tire
themselves out before we make our move;
Obba will deliver the North East, and we have Emily in the Pacific
Northwest; we'll have to do some sucking
up and trade some favors, but leave that to me; after Richard has tires
him out, I think we can buy Buck's support
with a promise to make all colors illegal---except gold. In the
meantime, we need to launch our Share
strategy and begin posting half baked poems and syrupy sweet photos like
the following. For the sympathy vote, I think writing a
C&W hurtin song would be an excellent start; maybe with a title like:
"My Baby Dumped Me For The Infinite".
And remember NO MORE OPINIONS ON ANYTHING, and if any smart asses ask
you what you're for, just say:
"Change we can believe in" and drones.  More soon---its in the bag my
friend.-BP

  I can't be as

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[authfriend]

Sheesh. Yahoo just duplicated five of my posts in a row.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?
> 
> Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
> to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
> I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
> 2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
> than TM defenders.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is
> FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines
> and closes the pages of the group entirely.

New anti-abuse guidelines, hm? Where may we see these
guidelines, Buck?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?

Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
than TM defenders.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?

Good point. As I understand it, FFL was never intended
to be limited to currently practicing TMers in any case.
I'm pretty sure Buck knows this. When I first joined in
2005, there were more former-TMers-turned-TM-critics
than TM defenders.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
> it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
> every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
> sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The
> second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
> incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
> masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
> next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
> birth which was exaggerated.

When you first posted this, you presented it as an
explanation for homosexuality. But a "super masculine"
man or "super feminine" woman (if you're talking about
appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
to change their gender.




 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others 
as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups 
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels 
they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
>  mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember
> it( his explanation), we change from one sex to the other
> every three incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite
> sex drags old tendencies from the previous birth with it. The
> second birth in that sex is more balanced, while the third 
> incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super 
> masculine man or the super feminine woman. So naturally, the
> next change, brings with it, impressions from the previous
> birth which was exaggerated.

When you first posted this, you presented it as an
explanation for homosexuality. But a "super masculine"
man or "super feminine" woman (if you're talking about
appearance, which I believe you were when you posted
it before) could just as easily be gay as straight.

Likewise, gender dysphoria should not be confused with
homosexual preference. Often they go together, but
sometimes they don't. Most gays and lesbians don't want
to change their gender.




 This would mean that all these experiences are natural for everybody to 
experience from life time to life time. And of course, how we treat one another 
going through theses phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others 
as you would have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups 
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels 
they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
>  mess that you'll never figure out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
>
> > Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> > ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> > and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the
> > necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the
> > answer to that one I can't imagine.
>
> I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
> reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
> planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
> the circumstances she faces:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
> (interview with a trans friend of Manning)
>
>
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_t\
he_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
> (article at Slate by Amanda Hess)
>
>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be\
-changed.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea
>
> Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:
>
> How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy
>
> ...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the
federal Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender
inmates on a case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like
personal preference and safety needs," according to the ACLU, not solely
based on their genitals. The act bans "protective custody" for
transgender inmates, along with segregated LGBT housing units, and it
requires staff to be trained on how to communicate with and treat
transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches of
transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as of
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.
>
> Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender
already put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at
>Leavenworth. No giant leap from there, then to argue that Manning would
be best protected
 
(Cued it to the appropriate song)
http://youtu.be/lx5TZiReKtE?t=25s 

> by the prison rape act by doing time in a women's facility, [Dru
Levasseur, transgender rights project director at Lambda Legal] said
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.agreeded let return to but35 posts per wee

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
>
> I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol 

There's actually been *less* vitriol since the posting
limit was lifted.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:

> Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the 
> necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the 
> answer to that one I can't imagine.

I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
the circumstances she faces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
(interview with a trans friend of Manning)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_the_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
(article at Slate by Amanda Hess)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be-changed.html

http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea

Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:

How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy

...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the federal 
Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender inmates on a 
case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like personal preference and 
safety needs," according to the ACLU, not solely based on their genitals. The 
act bans "protective custody" for transgender inmates, along with segregated 
LGBT housing units, and it requires staff to be trained on how to communicate 
with and treat transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches 
of transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as of 
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.

Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender already 
put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at Leavenworth. No giant leap 
from there, then to argue that Manning would be best protected by the prison 
rape act by doing time in a women's facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender 
rights project director at Lambda Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.agreeded let return to but35 posts per wee

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
>
> I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol 

There's actually been *less* vitriol since the posting
limit was lifted.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:

> Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
> ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison
> and subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the 
> necessary gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the 
> answer to that one I can't imagine.

I can't, but Manning isn't likely to actually get gender-
reassignment *treatment* in prison, although her lawyer is
planning to sue for it. Here's a video and two articles on
the circumstances she faces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqaNx8mDBc
(interview with a trans friend of Manning)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_is_now_the_most_famous_transgender_inmate_in_america_all.html
(article at Slate by Amanda Hess)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/how-the-policy-might-be-changed.html

http://tinyurl.com/lcxqlea

Excerpt from the Daily Beast piece:

How Chelsea Manning Will Test the Military's Transgender Policy

...[The Prison Rape Elimination Act] led to regulations from the federal 
Department of Justice to determine housing for transgender inmates on a 
case-by-case basis, "taking into account factors like personal preference and 
safety needs," according to the ACLU, not solely based on their genitals. The 
act bans "protective custody" for transgender inmates, along with segregated 
LGBT housing units, and it requires staff to be trained on how to communicate 
with and treat transgender inmates, even including the ban of "genital searches 
of transgender inmates just to determine their gender." Those rules, as of 
June, apply to all correctional facilities that require federal funding.

Manning's notoriety and her public revelation about being transgender already 
put her at serious risk of harassment and/or rape at Leavenworth. No giant leap 
from there, then to argue that Manning would be best protected by the prison 
rape act by doing time in a women's facility, [Dru Levasseur, transgender 
rights project director at Lambda Legal] said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Buck]

We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad 
hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly have no 
personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves then force 
upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop to subjecting the 
public to their abuse of the community and FFL.  Yes, consider we give it all a 
break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL.  Just let the archive stand for 
what it is.  

> 
> A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their exhibited 
> bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good content drives 
> readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership.  You know that from 
> your professional life.  These few people have driven FFL to hell.  They have 
> effectively seized the forum and driven all the good writers  and the FFL 
> audience away.  It is time to do away their low form of argument here on FFL, 
> to put an end to the ad hominem.  Push to have the personal invective taken 
> off the list.  It is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, 
> high-minded and good people of the larger community.
> 
> >
> > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before 
> > Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages 
> > of the group entirely. 
> > Sincerely,
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
> > >
> > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > ===
> > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe 
> > that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of 
> > enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does 
> > have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened.
>   
> > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you 
> > can't make absolute, across-the-board "rules" that apply to all individuals 
> > without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of 
> > falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that.
> 
> > My opinion, anyway.
> 
> > [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like 
> > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, format, a 
> > schedule, a list of "symptoms."
> 
> First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of

I question this and every other statement you've made
in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed
to describing your own experience. 






, one ends up with a unity-centric ontology, the basic progression is that the 
mind's focus on individuality shifts to universality, and the ego is left 
without a job. The ego is why a person fears death. It's a fiction that 
conveniently wraps around various processes going on in experience, but it dies 
with great difficulty for most.
> 
> Conventionally we still use nomenclature when we converse with other bodies 
> because it simplifies communication to say 'yours', 'mine', 'me', 'I', etc., 
> when transferring information between minds. As we start out, everyone has a 
> personal ontology experience, so what is unique about what everyone has? It's 
> like different coloured coffee cups, that are otherwise all the same.
> 
> The basic scheme of enlightenment is 'me' progressing to 'everything all 
> together'. The details in between I think are pretty much as you surmise - 
> different people experience the letting go of intitial state of spiritual 
> progress differently, though there seem to be some basic commonalities. 
> 
> In attempting to 'harmonise' various traditions, I would say the common 
> states described would correspond to M's WC, CC, and UC/BC. Traditions with 
> meditation might add TC, although some, perhaps those meditating with 
> mindfulness kinds of meditation, may not experience TC at all because that 
> meditation is really aimed at UC (which is probably why many find it more 
> difficult than TM). 
> 
> Mindfulness meditators may become aware at some point they are in a state 
> that is with TM called CC; in other words, TC is not necessarily described as 
> the goal, since in this meditation, you just sit there silently, which is how 
> meditation functions in unity, there not being an inward and outward stroke. 
> As far as I am aware, TM is not necessarily superior to these other methods 
> as far as the final result; more important may be how much you want the final 
> result. GC is more interesting as some traditions would consider the refined 
> visions of GC as just sensory illusions, which then dissipate when unity 
> dawns.
> 
> The greatest difficulty I have heard people mention when talking of their 
> experience outside of the TM movement is the loss of the sense of small self, 
> or ego. Some people simply chicken out when they see that enlightenment is 
> not about personal ontology. If they manage to chicken out prior to a very 
> clear awakening, they might be able to go back to being the fake person they 
> were before without much difficulty. People with a strong ego-structured mind 
> might have the most resistance to this process of 'enlightenment'. Some 
> people become frightened, really frightened. They have so much invested in 
> 'who they are'.
> 
> Enlightenment is not about your specialness in any way other than the 
> capacity to be enlightened, so when you reach that threshold where you can go 
> either way, you can either be a coward, or accept the fact you are going to 
> die before your physical death. If the awakening is clear enough you do not 
> get to go back, and any remaining issues you have you just have to hack 
> through them, which really means they hack through the fictional 'you' until 
> that 'you' is basically history. This is not necessarily pleasant.
> 
> I think you are correct in assuming that the progression of experience is 
> highly variable depending on the starting point and the 'karma' of the 
> person, the history associated with an individual body. Some never make it; 
> some breeze through without a hitch or any seeming progression (a very small 
> number), and everyone else is in between somewhere. 
> 
> I suppose if you had a map of what might happen, it might be like a map of 
> the United States with New York on one side, and San Fran

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually ceased to believe 
> > that there is a universally applicable scheme for the development of 
> > enlightenment, such that if someone doesn't have *this* experience or does 
> > have *that* experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened.
>   
> > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than others, but you 
> > can't make absolute, across-the-board "rules" that apply to all individuals 
> > without exception, any more than you can do it with the experience of 
> > falling in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains just that.
> 
> > My opinion, anyway.
> 
> > [to Dr Dumbass] Not what I meant by "scheme." I meant something like 
> > Maharishi's "Seven States of Consciousness"--an outline, format, a 
> > schedule, a list of "symptoms."
> 
> First-person ontology is the thing that enlightenment gets rid of

I question this and every other statement you've made
in this post that you apply across the board, as opposed
to describing your own experience. 






, one ends up with a unity-centric ontology, the basic progression is that the 
mind's focus on individuality shifts to universality, and the ego is left 
without a job. The ego is why a person fears death. It's a fiction that 
conveniently wraps around various processes going on in experience, but it dies 
with great difficulty for most.
> 
> Conventionally we still use nomenclature when we converse with other bodies 
> because it simplifies communication to say 'yours', 'mine', 'me', 'I', etc., 
> when transferring information between minds. As we start out, everyone has a 
> personal ontology experience, so what is unique about what everyone has? It's 
> like different coloured coffee cups, that are otherwise all the same.
> 
> The basic scheme of enlightenment is 'me' progressing to 'everything all 
> together'. The details in between I think are pretty much as you surmise - 
> different people experience the letting go of intitial state of spiritual 
> progress differently, though there seem to be some basic commonalities. 
> 
> In attempting to 'harmonise' various traditions, I would say the common 
> states described would correspond to M's WC, CC, and UC/BC. Traditions with 
> meditation might add TC, although some, perhaps those meditating with 
> mindfulness kinds of meditation, may not experience TC at all because that 
> meditation is really aimed at UC (which is probably why many find it more 
> difficult than TM). 
> 
> Mindfulness meditators may become aware at some point they are in a state 
> that is with TM called CC; in other words, TC is not necessarily described as 
> the goal, since in this meditation, you just sit there silently, which is how 
> meditation functions in unity, there not being an inward and outward stroke. 
> As far as I am aware, TM is not necessarily superior to these other methods 
> as far as the final result; more important may be how much you want the final 
> result. GC is more interesting as some traditions would consider the refined 
> visions of GC as just sensory illusions, which then dissipate when unity 
> dawns.
> 
> The greatest difficulty I have heard people mention when talking of their 
> experience outside of the TM movement is the loss of the sense of small self, 
> or ego. Some people simply chicken out when they see that enlightenment is 
> not about personal ontology. If they manage to chicken out prior to a very 
> clear awakening, they might be able to go back to being the fake person they 
> were before without much difficulty. People with a strong ego-structured mind 
> might have the most resistance to this process of 'enlightenment'. Some 
> people become frightened, really frightened. They have so much invested in 
> 'who they are'.
> 
> Enlightenment is not about your specialness in any way other than the 
> capacity to be enlightened, so when you reach that threshold where you can go 
> either way, you can either be a coward, or accept the fact you are going to 
> die before your physical death. If the awakening is clear enough you do not 
> get to go back, and any remaining issues you have you just have to hack 
> through them, which really means they hack through the fictional 'you' until 
> that 'you' is basically history. This is not necessarily pleasant.
> 
> I think you are correct in assuming that the progression of experience is 
> highly variable depending on the starting point and the 'karma' of the 
> person, the history associated with an individual body. Some never make it; 
> some breeze through without a hitch or any seeming progression (a very small 
> number), and everyone else is in between somewhere. 
> 
> I suppose if you had a map of what might happen, it might be like a map of 
> the United States with New York on one side, and San Fran

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Buck]

They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial 
community of writers about FFL.  I do not feel that FFL should be maintained 
for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just write their 
personal animosities towards each other.  It is just abusive all the way around 
and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that you Rick had hoped for 
all along with  FFL.  These people have destroyed the readership of FFL.  There 
were long times that FFL was substantial and important to the spiritual 
well-being of Fairfield life.  Rick it would be better now that you turn off 
the posting to FFL and now just let the archive stand as the important 
historical resource that it has become for the scholarly.  But shut the 
posting-list down now and let these people find some other place to bait each 
other. 

> 
> Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF 
> or FFL.  Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of the 
> worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield.  Several 
> come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate as if 
> they have rights and are part of a community here.  These angry and childish 
> have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most any writing 
> that was communally relevant.  Yep, give the FFL list a rest as a place to 
> post.  Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it and these 
> people will not moderate themselves.  Hardly anyone is reading it anymore 
> other than the few who post only to antagonize one-another.  Put an end to it 
> one way or another.  
> 
> > 
> > We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad 
> > hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly have no 
> > personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves then 
> > force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop to 
> > subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL.  Yes, 
> > consider we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL.  
> > Just let the archive stand for what it is.  
> > 
> > > 
> > > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
> > > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good 
> > > content drives readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership.  
> > > You know that from your professional life.  These few people have driven 
> > > FFL to hell.  They have effectively seized the forum and driven all the 
> > > good writers  and the FFL audience away.  It is time to do away their low 
> > > form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad hominem.  Push to 
> > > have the personal invective taken off the list.  It is time to recapture 
> > > FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and good people of the 
> > > larger community.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL 
> > > > before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes 
> > > > the pages of the group entirely. 
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > > 
> > > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > > 106 authfriend 
> > > > >  91 obbajeeba 
> > > > >  86 Share Long 
> > > > >  59 Seraphita 
> > > > >  50 Ann 
> > > > >  35 iranitea 
> > > > >  31 Alex Stanley 
> > > > >  30 Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > >  28 RoryGoff 
> > > > >  27 Bhairitu 
> > > > >  25 emilymae.reyn 
> > > > >  19 Mike Dixon 
> > > > >  18 turquoiseb 
> > > > >  18 Michael Jackson 
> > > > >  17 merudanda 
> > > > >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> > > > >  16 Bob Price 
> > > > >  14 Jason 
> > > > >  13 sharelong60 
> > > > >  13 emptybill 
> > > > >  10 sparaig 
> > > > >  10 salyavin808 
> > > > >  10 card 
> > > > >   9 Emily Reyn 
> > > > >   7 bobpriced 
> > > > >   7 azgrey 
> > > > >   6 nablusoss1008 
> > > > >   6 John 
> > > > >   5 Rick Archer 
> > > > >   4 raunchydog 
> > > > >   4 Duveyoung 
> > > > >   4 Buck 
> > > > >   3 feste37
> > > > >   3 cardemaister
> > > > >   3 Susan 
> > > > >   2 seventhray27 
> > > > >   2 Dick Mays 
> > > > >   1 wleed3 
> > > > >   1 wgm4u 
> > > > >   1 srijau
> > > > >   1 WLeed3
> > > > >   1 Richard J. Williams 
> > > > >   1 PaliGap 
> > > > > Posters: 44
> > > > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > > > > =
> > > > > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > > > > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > > > > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > > > > Standard Time (Winter):
> > > > > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[obbajeeba]

Buck,
How much did a foundation pay you to say that?

Here, enjoy this documentary showing Rajas enjoying the spiritually rich
cultural dance of the islanders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpD2757jrc



You know, Bucky,  I am beginning to think there is a conspiracy going on
and one has to follow the money, they say.

Hail the no Saint Policy in the domes!  Hail! Jai!
Keep the no Saint Policy forever!

There, now we have an even playing field?

-Obba in third place this week!  Thank you, Natural Law a Bounty!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
>
> We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling
ad hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly
have no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by
themselves then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas
off-list as a stop to subjecting the public to their abuse of the
community and FFL.  Yes, consider we give it all a break and suspend
everyone from posting on FFL.  Just let the archive stand for what it
is.
>
> >
> > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their
exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good
content drives readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership. 
You know that from your professional life.  These few people have driven
FFL to hell.  They have effectively seized the forum and driven all the
good writers  and the FFL audience away.  It is time to do away their
low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad hominem.  Push
to have the personal invective taken off the list.  It is time to
recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and good
people of the larger community.
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is
FFL before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and
closes the pages of the group entirely.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > ===
> > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > >
> > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > 106 authfriend
> > > >  91 obbajeeba
> > > >  86 Share Long
> > > >  59 Seraphita
> > > >  50 Ann
> > > >  35 iranitea
> > > >  31 Alex Stanley
> > > >  30 Ravi Chivukula
> > > >  28 RoryGoff
> > > >  27 Bhairitu
> > > >  25 emilymae.reyn
> > > >  19 Mike Dixon
> > > >  18 turquoiseb
> > > >  18 Michael Jackson
> > > >  17 merudanda
> > > >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius
> > > >  16 Bob Price
> > > >  14 Jason
> > > >  13 sharelong60
> > > >  13 emptybill
> > > >  10 sparaig
> > > >  10 salyavin808
> > > >  10 card
> > > >   9 Emily Reyn
> > > >   7 bobpriced
> > > >   7 azgrey
> > > >   6 nablusoss1008
> > > >   6 John
> > > >   5 Rick Archer
> > > >   4 raunchydog
> > > >   4 Duveyoung
> > > >   4 Buck
> > > >   3 feste37
> > > >   3 cardemaister
> > > >   3 Susan
> > > >   2 seventhray27
> > > >   2 Dick Mays
> > > >   1 wleed3
> > > >   1 wgm4u
> > > >   1 srijau
> > > >   1 WLeed3
> > > >   1 Richard J. Williams
> > > >   1 PaliGap
> > > > Posters: 44
> > > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > > > =
> > > > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > > > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > > > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > > > Standard Time (Winter):
> > > > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > > > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > > > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Buck]

Dear Rick,  Lacking moderation simply a few people only abuse the whole group 
here continually flooding the larger list with their own personal arguments and 
snipes.  Mostly ever since that time frame of the migration from Alt.med as a 
group most of the volume of FFL has gone over to a few writers only and most of 
those are solely engaged in personal spiteful Ad hominem  baiting, banter and 
attack.  This unlimited posting experiment quite evidently accentuates this 
problem with them. 

> 
> They have drowned and driven off what originally had been a substantial 
> community of writers about FFL.  I do not feel that FFL should be maintained 
> for these few people to use as their hate-full blog to just write their 
> personal animosities towards each other.  It is just abusive all the way 
> around and has wrecked the breadth of a substantial salon that you Rick had 
> hoped for all along with  FFL.  These people have destroyed the readership of 
> FFL.  There were long times that FFL was substantial and important to the 
> spiritual well-being of Fairfield life.  Rick it would be better now that you 
> turn off the posting to FFL and now just let the archive stand as the 
> important historical resource that it has become for the scholarly.  But shut 
> the posting-list down now and let these people find some other place to bait 
> each other. 
> 
> > 
> > Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF 
> > or FFL.  Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of 
> > the worst offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield.  
> > Several come here to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate 
> > as if they have rights and are part of a community here.  These angry and 
> > childish have succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most 
> > any writing that was communally relevant.  Yep, give the FFL list a rest as 
> > a place to post.  Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it 
> > and these people will not moderate themselves.  Hardly anyone is reading it 
> > anymore other than the few who post only to antagonize one-another.  Put an 
> > end to it one way or another.  
> > 
> > > 
> > > We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad 
> > > hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly have 
> > > no personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves 
> > > then force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop 
> > > to subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL.  Yes, 
> > > consider we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL. 
> > >  Just let the archive stand for what it is.  
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
> > > > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good 
> > > > content drives readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership. 
> > > >  You know that from your professional life.  These few people have 
> > > > driven FFL to hell.  They have effectively seized the forum and driven 
> > > > all the good writers  and the FFL audience away.  It is time to do away 
> > > > their low form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad 
> > > > hominem.  Push to have the personal invective taken off the list.  It 
> > > > is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded 
> > > > and good people of the larger community.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL 
> > > > > before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and 
> > > > > closes the pages of the group entirely. 
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > > > 106 authfriend 
> > > > > >  91 obbajeeba 
> > > > > >  86 Share Long 
> > > > > >  59 Seraphita 
> > > > > >  50 Ann 
> > > > > >  35 iranitea 
> > > > > >  31 Alex Stanley 
> > > > > >  30 Ravi Chivukula 
> > > > > >  28 RoryGoff 
> > > > > >  27 Bhairitu 
> > > > > >  25 emilymae.reyn 
> > > > > >  19 Mike Dixon 
> > > > > >  18 turquoiseb 
> > > > > >  18 Michael Jackson 
> > > > > >  17 merudanda 
> > > > > >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> > > > > >  16 Bob Price 
> > > > > >  14 Jason 
> > > > > >  13 sharelong60 
> > > > > >  13 emptybill 
> > > > > >  10 sparaig 
> > > > > >  10 salyavin808 
> > > > > >  10 card 
> > > > > >   9 Emily Reyn 
> > > > > >   7 bobpriced 
> > > > > >   7 azgrey 
> > > > > >   6 nablusoss1008 
> > > > > >   6 John 
> > > > > >   5 Rick Archer 
> > > > > >   4 rau

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Buck]

Look down at the post list and see that very few are actually related to FF or 
FFL.  Most have neither been to Fairfield in modern times nor some of the worst 
offenders have nothing to do with meditating or Fairfield.  Several come here 
to FFL and just flood up the list who don't even meditate as if they have 
rights and are part of a community here.  These angry and childish have 
succeeded in flooding out most all writers of merit and most any writing that 
was communally relevant.  Yep, give the FFL list a rest as a place to post.  
Time to shut it off and re-group if you won't moderate it and these people will 
not moderate themselves.  Hardly anyone is reading it anymore other than the 
few who post only to antagonize one-another.  Put an end to it one way or 
another.  

> 
> We should not have to indulge the wicked in their abusive name-calling ad 
> hominem behavior here.  Stop enabling it.  If these people clearly have no 
> personal restraint and it is not going to be moderated by themselves then 
> force upon them mailing their personal vendettas off-list as a stop to 
> subjecting the public to their abuse of the community and FFL.  Yes, consider 
> we give it all a break and suspend everyone from posting on FFL.  Just let 
> the archive stand for what it is.  
> 
> > 
> > A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their 
> > exhibited bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good 
> > content drives readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership.  
> > You know that from your professional life.  These few people have driven 
> > FFL to hell.  They have effectively seized the forum and driven all the 
> > good writers  and the FFL audience away.  It is time to do away their low 
> > form of argument here on FFL, to put an end to the ad hominem.  Push to 
> > have the personal invective taken off the list.  It is time to recapture 
> > FFL and take it back for the civil, high-minded and good people of the 
> > larger community.
> > 
> > >
> > > Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL 
> > > before Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes 
> > > the pages of the group entirely. 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > ===
> > > > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > > > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > > > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > > > 
> > > > 109 doctordumbass
> > > > 106 authfriend 
> > > >  91 obbajeeba 
> > > >  86 Share Long 
> > > >  59 Seraphita 
> > > >  50 Ann 
> > > >  35 iranitea 
> > > >  31 Alex Stanley 
> > > >  30 Ravi Chivukula 
> > > >  28 RoryGoff 
> > > >  27 Bhairitu 
> > > >  25 emilymae.reyn 
> > > >  19 Mike Dixon 
> > > >  18 turquoiseb 
> > > >  18 Michael Jackson 
> > > >  17 merudanda 
> > > >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> > > >  16 Bob Price 
> > > >  14 Jason 
> > > >  13 sharelong60 
> > > >  13 emptybill 
> > > >  10 sparaig 
> > > >  10 salyavin808 
> > > >  10 card 
> > > >   9 Emily Reyn 
> > > >   7 bobpriced 
> > > >   7 azgrey 
> > > >   6 nablusoss1008 
> > > >   6 John 
> > > >   5 Rick Archer 
> > > >   4 raunchydog 
> > > >   4 Duveyoung 
> > > >   4 Buck 
> > > >   3 feste37
> > > >   3 cardemaister
> > > >   3 Susan 
> > > >   2 seventhray27 
> > > >   2 Dick Mays 
> > > >   1 wleed3 
> > > >   1 wgm4u 
> > > >   1 srijau
> > > >   1 WLeed3
> > > >   1 Richard J. Williams 
> > > >   1 PaliGap 
> > > > Posters: 44
> > > > Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times
> > > > =
> > > > Daylight Saving Time (Summer):
> > > > US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM
> > > > Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM
> > > > Standard Time (Winter):
> > > > US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM
> > > > Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM
> > > > For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Buck]

A few people have hijacked what could have been so good with their exhibited 
bad social behavior and ill consideration of the group.  Good content drives 
readership.  Relevant content is what drives readership.  You know that from 
your professional life.  These few people have driven FFL to hell.  They have 
effectively seized the forum and driven all the good writers  and the FFL 
audience away.  It is time to do away their low form of argument here on FFL, 
to put an end to the ad hominem.  Push to have the personal invective taken off 
the list.  It is time to recapture FFL and take it back for the civil, 
high-minded and good people of the larger community.

>
> Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before 
> Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of 
> the group entirely. 
> Sincerely,
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
> > Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> > End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> > 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> > 
> > 109 doctordumbass
> > 106 authfriend 
> >  91 obbajeeba 
> >  86 Share Long 
> >  59 Seraphita 
> >  50 Ann 
> >  35 iranitea 
> >  31 Alex Stanley 
> >  30 Ravi Chivukula 
> >  28 RoryGoff 
> >  27 Bhairitu 
> >  25 emilymae.reyn 
> >  19 Mike Dixon 
> >  18 turquoiseb 
> >  18 Michael Jackson 
> >  17 merudanda 
> >  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> >  16 Bob Price 
> >  14 Jason 
> >  13 sharelong60 
> >  13 emptybill 
> >  10 sparaig 
> >  10 salyavin808 
> >  10 card 
> >   9 Emily Reyn 
> >   7 bobpriced 
> >   7 azgrey 
> >   6 nablusoss1008 
> >   6 John 
> >   5 Rick Archer 
> >   4 raunchydog 
> >   4 Duveyoung 
> >   4 Buck 
> >   3 feste37
> >   3 cardemaister
> >   3 Susan 
> >   2 seventhray27 
> >   2 Dick Mays 
> >   1 wleed3 
> >   1 wgm4u 
> >   1 srijau
> >   1 WLeed3
> >   1 Richard J. Williams 
> >   1 PaliGap 
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>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[Bhairitu]

It's Friday.  Go have a beer or two. :-D

On 08/23/2013 01:50 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


What-The-HELL-Is-That-Supposed-To-Mean

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Bhairitu  wrote:

>
> On 08/23/2013 10:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> >
> > *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley

> > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM
> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


> > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count
> > on FFL.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


> > , "Rick Archer"  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > had his month's reprieve.
> >
> > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post
> > that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint
> > another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and
> > shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post
> > count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual
> > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint 
another

> > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> >
> > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be 
the

> > ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> >
> > Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house?
> >
>
> Correct. The "heavy users" seem to be impulsive. They post knee jerk
> reactions. Not a sign at all of the calmness that is supposed to be the
> result of practicing a meditation technique.
>
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[Buck]

Dear Rick, please act soon to save the historic archive that is FFL before 
Yahoo moves to enforce its new anti-abuse guidelines and closes the pages of 
the group entirely. 
Sincerely,
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): 08/17/13 00:00:00
> End Date (UTC): 08/24/13 00:00:00
> 922 messages as of (UTC) 08/23/13 23:43:32
> 
> 109 doctordumbass
> 106 authfriend 
>  91 obbajeeba 
>  86 Share Long 
>  59 Seraphita 
>  50 Ann 
>  35 iranitea 
>  31 Alex Stanley 
>  30 Ravi Chivukula 
>  28 RoryGoff 
>  27 Bhairitu 
>  25 emilymae.reyn 
>  19 Mike Dixon 
>  18 turquoiseb 
>  18 Michael Jackson 
>  17 merudanda 
>  16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
>  16 Bob Price 
>  14 Jason 
>  13 sharelong60 
>  13 emptybill 
>  10 sparaig 
>  10 salyavin808 
>  10 card 
>   9 Emily Reyn 
>   7 bobpriced 
>   7 azgrey 
>   6 nablusoss1008 
>   6 John 
>   5 Rick Archer 
>   4 raunchydog 
>   4 Duveyoung 
>   4 Buck 
>   3 feste37
>   3 cardemaister
>   3 Susan 
>   2 seventhray27 
>   2 Dick Mays 
>   1 wleed3 
>   1 wgm4u 
>   1 srijau
>   1 WLeed3
>   1 Richard J. Williams 
>   1 PaliGap 
> Posters: 44
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>

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sat 24-Aug-13 00:15:10 UTC

[FFL PostCount]

Fairfield Life Post Counter
===
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109 doctordumbass
106 authfriend 
 91 obbajeeba 
 86 Share Long 
 59 Seraphita 
 50 Ann 
 35 iranitea 
 31 Alex Stanley 
 30 Ravi Chivukula 
 28 RoryGoff 
 27 Bhairitu 
 25 emilymae.reyn 
 19 Mike Dixon 
 18 turquoiseb 
 18 Michael Jackson 
 17 merudanda 
 16 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
 16 Bob Price 
 14 Jason 
 13 sharelong60 
 13 emptybill 
 10 sparaig 
 10 salyavin808 
 10 card 
  9 Emily Reyn 
  7 bobpriced 
  7 azgrey 
  6 nablusoss1008 
  6 John 
  5 Rick Archer 
  4 raunchydog 
  4 Duveyoung 
  4 Buck 
  3 feste37
  3 cardemaister
  3 Susan 
  2 seventhray27 
  2 Dick Mays 
  1 wleed3 
  1 wgm4u 
  1 srijau
  1 WLeed3
  1 Richard J. Williams 
  1 PaliGap 
Posters: 44
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[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# With Life or Without Life?

[obbajeeba]

Dear Paulo Barbosa,

May I respond?  Thank you.
See below in the auspicious purple.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
>
>   To Reflect...
>
>   With Life or Without Life?
>

That is the question.

>   "Because the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."
>   (Luke 19:10).
>

Lost and found, down the hall to the left.

>
>   "A church, cold and without life, asks: What activities could we
have that would adjust to our structure and organization? Now a living
and dynamic church would ask: What structure would we need so that our
activities could be accomplished and our p
>

A church cold and without life cannot asks questions. It is dead.
A living church with a bathroom will help you with your p
>
> urposes reached?" (Linus Morris)
>
Our porpoises can be found in the oceans and gulfs and some rivers with
brackish waters.
>
>   We are the church of Christ. We were called and separated to take
the Word of the Lord to the ends of the earth. The Lord enables us,
prepares us, and anoints us to allow His presence to shine and  to 
reach those that He desires to save.
>
Selective breeding. Hmm. Sounds like fun.

>   And what have we done? We are accomodated and satisfied with what we
have done .. nearly nothing ... or are we seeking the power of the Lord
so that much more will be done and we can see the name of Jesus lifted
up in power and glorified?
>
Did someone tell on me?  Whew, I thought you thought I did something,
but it is you who have done nearly nothing. Whew, just seeking power are
you?  Neon signs are going out of style, being replaced with earth
friendly LED Lighting. Have a friend with a Genie Lift to 44 feet, if
you need to rent.

>
>   Our purpose needs to stop being "our purpose"; and our objectives
cannot be "to reach our objectives". I will be happy to obey and submit
to what the Lord expects of me; and I will be victorious if I do the
will of the Lord. To make a lot of money,
> or be famous, or be successful in my business, is not the purpose for
which I was called. It was not for this that the church of Christ was
established. The church exists to seek and to save the lost.
>
Please don't be so hard on yourselves. What? You wish to volunteer? 
Free market is pretty much gone right now, with all the taxes,
regulations and I think you might benefit if you file a 501c Tax Exempt
Status non-profit, but I am no lawyer, so you may look for one online,
in a phone book or through your friends, business associates, and food
stamp office.
May not get famous just from fame or money from money, Try making a
really funny short video and posting it on youtube.com and get a an
advertiser then forward the funny video to lots of people on email, on
forums (like this one, there is not post limit, whew, cause those are a
pain in the ass to not be able to reflect spiritual wisdom back and
forth..I think the IRS wants you to do a little more than seeking and
saving lost things, unless you are collecting used goods from old, or
dead people's estates and creating jobs for the handicap like Good Will.
Now they have a shop on almost every corner collecting old things no one
wants and they save them too. At least temporary until they find a new
home.

>
>   To make money is not a defect or a sin. To be famous isn't either.
But these should not be the objective of my life but a blessing that the
Lord can add to my life ... if He so desires.
>
Heck no! Money is good! If you can share some with me, I am a young
widow. Yeah, fame means nothing, except it gets you a few free dinners,
and a bunch of friends who want autographs and shit. Lord knows a
blessing is always welcome. I promise the Lord everyday if he gives me a
way to make a living,  I will pay back all those who have helped me in
my past, but only if he so desires.
>
>   I want to be a living church not a dead one. And you?
>
Since I am alive and not a structure with stained glass and a pew, a
dead Jesus cross with a crown of thorns on his head and the colored
girls sing  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkwD261MHsc
   beautifully as Chelsea
needs that change to know god loves her, for being a good American.

-Obba

> Paulo Barbosa
> A blind in Internet
> tprobert@...
> To Reflect Ministry - 17 years of victory
> Site (in Portuguese) www.ministeriopararefletir.com.br
>

[FairfieldLife] Nidal Hassan Is Found Guilty

[John]

He didn't put much of a defense.  IMO, his lawyers would appeal the case since 
Hassan was not capable of defending himself and that he is insane.  I'm 
surprised the judge of this case didn't see this deficiency in Nadal's 
personality.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-guilty-182448138.html

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[bobpriced]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Buck"  wrote:

> > > Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the
group and hence well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> > > -Buck for Enforcenator


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etKCHLgW_o0

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[bobpriced]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Buck"  wrote:
vote Buck for FFL Enforcenator to bring order and respect back to FFL.
> Sincerely,
> -Buck in the Dome



http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=13205

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Seraphita]

Re the Theosophists' view I reference below "All of us are reincarnated
over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be
rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what
it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of
us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men.":
This view of reincarnation has always seemed nobler - more worthy of an
artist - to me: God is taking each of "us" on a universal tour to
experience all the highs and lows of life. If the Advaita-Vedantans are
right and "we" are actually the One Self pretending to be many different
individuals then that accords perfectly with this interpretation of
reincarnation.
The common view that if we're good, we earn a cushy life next time
around is pretty vulgar really. And the more "spiritualised" version
that we're paying our dues towards arhat status is really just the idea
of meritocracy projected onto the Cosmos.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three
incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old
tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that
sex is more balanced, Â while the third incarnation is more of an
exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine
woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from
the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these
experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses
phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would
have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone
feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
>  mess that you'll never figure out.
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Share Long sharelong60@...
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years
>
> Â
>
> Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other
comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine
and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone
flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the
universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with
regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception.
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years
>
> Â
> That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are
reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what
it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be
respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . Â including,
naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other
lives as men.Â
>
> The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had
just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this
time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was
scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various
changes on that theme.)
>
> What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality
is "unnatural" (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies
the orientation as being "supernaturally" ordained. Nice one! (It's a
mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation
is natural and so acceptable.)
>
> Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new
identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her
"Chelsea" while conservative outlets like Fox will call him "Bradley" in
their news coverage?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60"  wrote:>> I think
it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from
Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities
over from a previous life time. > > --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote:> >> > ---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:> > >> > > - In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:>> > > Manning says
she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.> > > > > > This Manning
"chap" becomes more embarrassing by the day.> > > From the Wiki article
on the US Military and gays I read:> > > While restrictions on sexual
orientation have been lifted, restrictions> > > on gender identity
remain in place due to Department of Defense> > > regulations;
transgender Americans thus

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[bobpriced]

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2013/08/animals-on-trampolines-video/




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Buck"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's okay Rory..  We are all going to see people differently and
they are going to either appeal to us or not appeal to us. There are so
many personalities here and I am not sure there is one single person
that everyone unanimously likes - except Alex!
> > > >
> > > Ha! True enough, Ann. I just forgot for a bit what it was like
here
> > >
> >
> >
> > Dear FFL and Mr. Archer;
> >
> > Om Okay so everyone likes Alex.  And, evidently nobody likes me on
FFL because nobody mentions that Buck does posts here where they would
list all the supposed fabulous writers here [or] they even would suggest
that Buck should become the new FFL moderator when Alex was just
recently trying to beg off on the job.  As he was saying that if the FFL
list does reverts back to the saner posting limits of 50 or lower per
week following this unlimited experiment in dilution that he'd [Alex]
would still run the post-count but not the managing of people
[membership] here.  *Alex writes: [I'll happily keep the post count
script running
> > and handle subscriptions and other helpful stuff as needed, but
keeping track of
> > who overposts and killing/reinstating posting privileges needs to be
done by
> > someone else.]
> >
>
> Well by me hell yes, being one of the only practicing mediators here,
one of the eldest FFL members [formative], one of the few to actually
have a valid Dome badge here, an Iowa bred, born and raised meditator,
sensitive as I am to the enormous community nuance and great potential
that a spiritual FFL could actually have in the world, as one who
actually lives in Fairfield and uses a Fairfield, Iowa zip code, who in
fact has spent a whole lot of face time in front of Maharishiji himself
and also one who knows most all the major characters cast in the whole
storyline,  Buck is the obvious choice for the job and nobody dared say
it.  Buck is built for the job and nobody even dares suggest his name to
run this place.  Everyone may likes Alex but get real cowards, vote Buck
for FFL Enforcenator to bring order and respect back to FFL.
> Sincerely,
> -Buck in the Dome
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex
has
> > > > > had his month's reprieve.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier
post that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint
another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and
shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post
count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual
subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another
moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> > > >
> > > > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should
be the ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the
group and hence well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> > > -Buck for Enforcenator
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[Michael Jackson]

Did Rick have a valid Dome badge when he created FFL?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > It's okay Rory..  We are all going to see people differently and they are 
> > > going to either appeal to us or not appeal to us. There are so many 
> > > personalities here and I am not sure there is one single person that 
> > > everyone unanimously likes - except Alex!
> > > 
> > Ha! True enough, Ann. I just forgot for a bit what it was like here 
> >
> 
> 
> Dear FFL and Mr. Archer;
> 
> Om Okay so everyone likes Alex.  And, evidently nobody likes me on FFL 
> because nobody mentions that Buck does posts here where they would list all 
> the supposed fabulous writers here [or] they even would suggest that Buck 
> should become the new FFL moderator when Alex was just recently trying to beg 
> off on the job.  As he was saying that if the FFL list does reverts back to 
> the saner posting limits of 50 or lower per week following this unlimited 
> experiment in dilution that he'd [Alex] would still run the post-count but 
> not the managing of people [membership] here.  *Alex writes: [I'll happily 
> keep the post count script running
> and handle subscriptions and other helpful stuff as needed, but keeping track 
> of
> who overposts and killing/reinstating posting privileges needs to be done by
> someone else.] 
>

Well by me hell yes, being one of the only practicing mediators here, one of 
the eldest FFL members [formative], one of the few to actually have a valid 
Dome badge here, an Iowa bred, born and raised meditator, sensitive as I am to 
the enormous community nuance and great potential that a spiritual FFL could 
actually have in the world, as one who actually lives in Fairfield and uses a 
Fairfield, Iowa zip code, who in fact has spent a whole lot of face time in 
front of Maharishiji himself and also one who knows most all the major 
characters cast in the whole storyline,  Buck is the obvious choice for the job 
and nobody dared say it.  Buck is built for the job and nobody even dares 
suggest his name to run this place.  Everyone may likes Alex but get real 
cowards, vote Buck for FFL Enforcenator to bring order and respect back to FFL.
Sincerely,
-Buck in the Dome

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > > had his month's reprieve.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that 
> > > if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another 
> > > moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut 
> > > off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count 
> > > script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> > > 
> > > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the 
> > > ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> > >
> > 
> > Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the group and 
> > hence well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> > -Buck for Enforcenator
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] #5# With Life or Without Life?

[Paulo Barbosa]

  To Reflect...

  With Life or Without Life?

  "Because the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."
  (Luke 19:10).


  "A church, cold and without life, asks: What activities could we have that 
would adjust to our structure and organization? Now a living and dynamic church 
would ask: What structure would we need so that our activities could be 
accomplished and our p


urposes reached?" (Linus Morris)


  We are the church of Christ. We were called and separated to take the Word of 
the Lord to the ends of the earth. The Lord enables us, prepares us, and 
anoints us to allow His presence to shine and  to  reach those that He desires 
to save.

  And what have we done? We are accomodated and satisfied with what we have 
done .. nearly nothing ... or are we seeking the power of the Lord so that much 
more will be done and we can see the name of Jesus lifted up in power and 
glorified?


  Our purpose needs to stop being "our purpose"; and our objectives cannot be 
"to reach our objectives". I will be happy to obey and submit to what the Lord 
expects of me; and I will be victorious if I do the will of the Lord. To make a 
lot of money, 
or be famous, or be successful in my business, is not the purpose for which I 
was called. It was not for this that the church of Christ was established. The 
church exists to seek and to save the lost.


  To make money is not a defect or a sin. To be famous isn't either. But these 
should not be the objective of my life but a blessing that the Lord can add to 
my life ... if He so desires.


  I want to be a living church not a dead one. And you?

Paulo Barbosa
A blind in Internet
tprob...@terra.com.br
To Reflect Ministry - 17 years of victory
Site (in Portuguese) www.ministeriopararefletir.com.br

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Seraphita]

Justice demands that Simon Cowell ends up as a cockroach on a gay
bathhouse wall for his next 100 lifetimes.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three
incarnations. The first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old
tendencies from the previous birth with it. The second birth in that
sex is more balanced, Â while the third incarnation is more of an
exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or the super feminine
woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, impressions from
the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that all these
experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses
phases of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would
have done unto you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups
and god only knows how it's going to be expressed. Who knows why someone
feels they are in the wrong body? That could be untangling a
>  mess that you'll never figure out.
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Share Long sharelong60@...
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years
>
> Â
>
> Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other
comments; on a more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine
and feminine aspects. For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone
flowing around in our bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the
universe, it makes sense to me that a variety of expressions with
regards to gender will be the rule rather than the exception.
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35
years
>
> Â
> That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are
reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what
it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be
respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . Â including,
naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other
lives as men.Â
>
> The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had
just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this
time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was
scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various
changes on that theme.)
>
> What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality
is "unnatural" (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies
the orientation as being "supernaturally" ordained. Nice one! (It's a
mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation
is natural and so acceptable.)
>
> Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new
identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her
"Chelsea" while conservative outlets like Fox will call him "Bradley" in
their news coverage?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60"  wrote:>> I think
it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from
Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities
over from a previous life time. > > --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote:> >> > ---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:> > >> > > - In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:>> > > Manning says
she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.> > > > > > This Manning
"chap" becomes more embarrassing by the day.> > > From the Wiki article
on the US Military and gays I read:> > > While restrictions on sexual
orientation have been lifted, restrictions> > > on gender identity
remain in place due to Department of Defense> > > regulations;
transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from> > > military
service.> > >> > > Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.> >
> > Not any more.
>  She's been dishonorably discharged.> > > > She said she joined the
Army to try to overcome her sense> > that she was a woman. Now that the
trial is over and she's> > out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.>
> > > FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria> >
has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a> > man, say,
doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed> > up, but is screwed up
because he wants to be a woman.> > > > It's hard to imagine what it must
be like to feel you're in> > the wrong kind of body and to know that
everybody thinks> > you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to
be the> > case from the time you were a very little kid. That would> >
mess with anyo

Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.agreeded let return to but35 posts per wee

[wleed3]

--- Begin Message ---
I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol 



In a message dated 08/23/13 16:55:50 Eastern Daylight Time, 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:
Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing.  The 
lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting 
flood of the post-count of FFL.  As an elder of the FFL community here I 
implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, 
the Ad hominem .  These people's abuse of the list and community here with the 
Ad hominem is too much.  Something radical, something different needs to be 
done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. 
Sincerely, 
-Buck   



 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Mike Dixon]

Charlie was definitely a believer in Theosophy. As I remember it( his 
explanation), we change from one sex to the other every three incarnations. The 
first incarnation of the opposite sex drags old tendencies from the previous 
birth with it. The second birth in that sex is more balanced,  while the third 
incarnation is more of an exaggeration of that sex. The super masculine man or 
the super feminine woman. So naturally, the next change, brings with it, 
impressions from the previous birth which was exaggerated. This would mean that 
all these experiences are natural for everybody to experience from life time to 
life time. And of course, how we treat one another going through theses phases 
of evolution determine our own fate. Do unto others as you would have done unto 
you. Pile-on all of our other karmas  and hang-ups and god only knows how it's 
going to be expressed. Who knows why someone feels they are in the wrong body? 
That could be untangling a
 mess that you'll never figure out.

 


 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
   
 
Answer to your serious question: we shall see. As to your other comments; on a 
more mundane level, it's clear that we all have masculine and feminine aspects. 
For example, we all have estrogen and testosterone flowing around in our 
bodies. Given the ever expanding nature of the universe, it makes sense to me 
that a variety of expressions with regards to gender will be the rule rather 
than the exception.

 


 From: Seraphita 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
  
That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over 
many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what 
it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be 
scorned, and so on . . .  including, naturally, each of us will have some of 
our lives as women and other lives as men. 

The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now 
incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or 
if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man 
you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.)

What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is 
"unnatural" (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the 
orientation as being "supernaturally" ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image 
of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so 
acceptable.)

Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does 
that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her "Chelsea" while 
conservative outlets like Fox will call him "Bradley" in their news coverage?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60"  wrote:>> I think it was 
Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: 
that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous 
life time. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ 
wrote:> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:> > >> > 
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:>> > > Manning says 
she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche.> > > > > > This Manning "chap" 
becomes more embarrassing by the day.> > > From the Wiki article on the US 
Military and gays I read:> > > While restrictions on sexual orientation have 
been lifted, restrictions> > > on gender identity remain in place due to 
Department of Defense> > > regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to 
be barred from> > > military service.> > >> > > Sorry Chelsea - you're in the 
wrong line of work.> > > > Not any more.
 She's been dishonorably discharged.> > > > She said she joined the Army to try 
to overcome her sense> > that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and 
she's> > out of the Army, she's decided to go for it.> > > > FWIW, research is 
increasingly showing that gender dysphoria> > has biological causes. It's 
beginning to look as though a> > man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because 
he's screwed> > up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman.> > > > 
It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in> > the wrong kind 
of body and to know that everybody thinks> > you're someone you know you 
aren't--and for this to be the> > case from the time you were a very little 
kid. That would> > mess with anyone's mind.> >> 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Seraphita]

Ah! I see it's to be Fort Leavenworth for Chelsea.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> That Wiki page has now had its heading changed to "Chelsea Manning"
and
> a note appears underneath saying:"This page is currently protected
from
> editing until August 25, 2013, or until disputes have been resolved."
> That must be a bitch of a job having to resolve controversial disputes
> at Wikipedia!
> I was taking another look at the page to see if Chelsea/Bradley will
> serve her/his time at a military prison. I know he (getting bored
typing
> he/her) was convicted in an Army court but here in the UK military
> prisoners serving long sentences are transferred to regular prisons.
> (And 35 years counts as a long sentence in the UK. In the USA, I
learn,
> the longest jail term to a single person went to Charles Scott
Robinson,
> an American child rapist, who was sentenced in 1994 to 30, years,
> the jury having recommended 5,000 years for each of the six counts
> against him.) Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if
it's
> ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison and
> subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the necessary
> gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the answer to that
> one I can't imagine.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and
> refers
> > to Bradley/Chelsea as "she".
> > Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks!
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Allahu Akbar- Nidal Hasan Guilty

[Seraphita]

Nidal Hasan: the first man to suffer from pre-traumatic stress disorder.
Just the thought of being sent to Afghanistan was enough to send him
haywire.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> In this day and age anything is possible!
>
>
>
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." doctordumbass@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:00 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Allahu Akbar- Nidal Hasan Guilty
>
> Â
>
> So, you mean he is no longer "alleged" to have killed multiple people,
with multiple witnesses to his crimes? But, what if all the witnesses
were delusional???
>
> --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
wrote:
> >
> > The dude was found guilty... unanimously on all counts.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.agreeded let return to but35 posts per wee

[wleed3]

I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol 



In a message dated 08/23/13 16:55:50 Eastern Daylight Time, 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:
Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing.  The 
lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting 
flood of the post-count of FFL.  As an elder of the FFL community here I 
implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, 
the Ad hominem .  These people's abuse of the list and community here with the 
Ad hominem is too much.  Something radical, something different needs to be 
done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. 
Sincerely, 
-Buck   



 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[sharelong60]

dear Buck, I absolutely like you tons and as I told you in person, wish you 
would return to FFL. OTOH, would you still want to be moderator if posting 
limit is 50? I know you prefer the lower posting limit of 35 or even 30. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > It's okay Rory..  We are all going to see people differently and they are 
> > > going to either appeal to us or not appeal to us. There are so many 
> > > personalities here and I am not sure there is one single person that 
> > > everyone unanimously likes - except Alex!
> > > 
> > Ha! True enough, Ann. I just forgot for a bit what it was like here 
> >
> 
> 
> Dear FFL and Mr. Archer;
> 
> Om Okay so everyone likes Alex.  And, evidently nobody likes me on FFL 
> because nobody mentions that Buck does posts here where they would list all 
> the supposed fabulous writers here [or] they even would suggest that Buck 
> should become the new FFL moderator when Alex was just recently trying to beg 
> off on the job.  As he was saying that if the FFL list does reverts back to 
> the saner posting limits of 50 or lower per week following this unlimited 
> experiment in dilution that he'd [Alex] would still run the post-count but 
> not the managing of people [membership] here.  *Alex writes: [I'll happily 
> keep the post count script running
> and handle subscriptions and other helpful stuff as needed, but keeping track 
> of
> who overposts and killing/reinstating posting privileges needs to be done by
> someone else.]
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > > had his month's reprieve.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that 
> > > if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another 
> > > moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut 
> > > off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count 
> > > script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> > > 
> > > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the 
> > > ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> > >
> > 
> > Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the group and 
> > hence well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> > -Buck for Enforcenator
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Seraphita]

That Wiki page has now had its heading changed to "Chelsea Manning" and
a note appears underneath saying:"This page is currently protected from
editing until August 25, 2013, or until disputes have been resolved."
That must be a bitch of a job having to resolve controversial disputes
at Wikipedia!
I was taking another look at the page to see if Chelsea/Bradley will
serve her/his time at a military prison. I know he (getting bored typing
he/her) was convicted in an Army court but here in the UK military
prisoners serving long sentences are transferred to regular prisons.
(And 35 years counts as a long sentence in the UK. In the USA, I learn,
the longest jail term to a single person went to Charles Scott Robinson,
an American child rapist, who was sentenced in 1994 to 30, years,
the jury having recommended 5,000 years for each of the six counts
against him.) Because I have a morbid curiosity, I was wondering if it's
ever happened that a convict has served time in a men's prison and
subsequently been transferred to a women's prison after the necessary
gender-reassignment. Why anyone on FFL should know the answer to that
one I can't imagine.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and
refers
> to Bradley/Chelsea as "she".
> Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[doctordumbass]

It IS ON, Dude!!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > had his month's reprieve.
> > 
> > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that 
> > if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another 
> > moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut 
> > off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count 
> > script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> > 
> > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the ones 
> > to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> >
> 
> Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the group and hence 
> well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> -Buck for Enforcenator
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Car! Woo Hoo! Move along to the junk yard, you silly Prius!

[doctordumbass]

I never paid more than $20K for a car - My 2000 Mazda MPV, bought new - still 
running, has 130K miles on it. 

So, if I buy a $20K car, and instead, spend the $40K extra it costs me to get a 
Tesla, on gas, at four bucks a gallon, twenty miles to the gallon, I get 
200,000 miles out of it. 

I sincerely doubt the Tesla is going to last that long, without multiple 
expensive battery pack changes, and those batteries don't get charged for free.

It is a status symbol for the rich, now. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I love the way they look but unfortunately they are pieces of crap.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/automobiles/stalled-on-the-ev-highway.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
> 
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmichaels/2013/05/27/if-tesla-would-stop-selling-cars-wed-all-save-some-money/
> 
> http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Electric Car!  Woo Hoo!  Move along to the junk 
> yard, you silly Prius!
>  
> 
> 
>   
> On 08/23/2013 11:28 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
> 
>   
> >http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57599474/elon-musk-tesla-to-make-affordable-electric-car-in-three-to-four-years/Â
> > 
> >
> >http://www.teslamotors.com/models 
> >
> >My materialistic side of enlightenment wants one or two of
>   these!  
> >
> I wonder what Tesla Motors thinks is "affordable"?  In the Bay Area
> that might be $60K.  There are already hybrids at $18K but need to
> be around $12K.  Electrics need to be $12K to be affordable. 
> Affordable means different things in this unequal world.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The New FFL Moderator

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > It's okay Rory..  We are all going to see people differently and they are 
> > > going to either appeal to us or not appeal to us. There are so many 
> > > personalities here and I am not sure there is one single person that 
> > > everyone unanimously likes - except Alex!
> > > 
> > Ha! True enough, Ann. I just forgot for a bit what it was like here 
> >
> 
> 
> Dear FFL and Mr. Archer;
> 
> Om Okay so everyone likes Alex.  And, evidently nobody likes me on FFL 
> because nobody mentions that Buck does posts here where they would list all 
> the supposed fabulous writers here [or] they even would suggest that Buck 
> should become the new FFL moderator when Alex was just recently trying to beg 
> off on the job.  As he was saying that if the FFL list does reverts back to 
> the saner posting limits of 50 or lower per week following this unlimited 
> experiment in dilution that he'd [Alex] would still run the post-count but 
> not the managing of people [membership] here.  *Alex writes: [I'll happily 
> keep the post count script running
> and handle subscriptions and other helpful stuff as needed, but keeping track 
> of
> who overposts and killing/reinstating posting privileges needs to be done by
> someone else.]
>

Well by me hell yes, being one of the only practicing mediators here, one of 
the eldest FFL members [formative], one of the few to actually have a valid 
Dome badge here, an Iowa bred, born and raised meditator, sensitive as I am to 
the enormous community nuance and great potential that a spiritual FFL could 
actually have in the world, as one who actually lives in Fairfield and uses a 
Fairfield, Iowa zip code, who in fact has spent a whole lot of face time in 
front of Maharishiji himself and also one who knows most all the major 
characters cast in the whole storyline,  Buck is the obvious choice for the job 
and nobody dared say it.  Buck is built for the job and nobody even dares 
suggest his name to run this place.  Everyone may likes Alex but get real 
cowards, vote Buck for FFL Enforcenator to bring order and respect back to FFL.
Sincerely,
-Buck in the Dome
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > > had his month's reprieve.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that 
> > > if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another 
> > > moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut 
> > > off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count 
> > > script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> > > 
> > > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the 
> > > ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> > >
> > 
> > Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the group and 
> > hence well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> > -Buck for Enforcenator
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] The New FFL Moderator

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > It's okay Rory..  We are all going to see people differently and they are 
> > going to either appeal to us or not appeal to us. There are so many 
> > personalities here and I am not sure there is one single person that 
> > everyone unanimously likes - except Alex!
> > 
> Ha! True enough, Ann. I just forgot for a bit what it was like here 
>


Dear FFL and Mr. Archer;

Om Okay so everyone likes Alex.  And, evidently nobody likes me on FFL because 
nobody mentions that Buck does posts here where they would list all the 
supposed fabulous writers here [or] they even would suggest that Buck should 
become the new FFL moderator when Alex was just recently trying to beg off on 
the job.  As he was saying that if the FFL list does reverts back to the saner 
posting limits of 50 or lower per week following this unlimited experiment in 
dilution that he'd [Alex] would still run the post-count but not the managing 
of people [membership] here.  *Alex writes: [I'll happily keep the post count 
script running
and handle subscriptions and other helpful stuff as needed, but keeping track of
who overposts and killing/reinstating posting privileges needs to be done by
someone else.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > had his month's reprieve.
> > 
> > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that 
> > if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another 
> > moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut 
> > off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count 
> > script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> > 
> > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the ones 
> > to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> >
> 
> Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the group and hence 
> well qualified as such to moderate this place.
> -Buck for Enforcenator
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > had his month's reprieve.
> 
> Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that if 
> you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another moderator to 
> enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut off/restore posting 
> privileges. I will continue to host the post count script on the crusty old 
> Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. 
> But, if you don't appoint another moderator, I will simply ignore any 
> overposting.
> 
> As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the ones 
> to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
>

Om please do notice that, Buck in fact is a heavy user of the group and hence 
well qualified as such to moderate this place.
-Buck for Enforcenator

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[doctordumbass]

What-The-HELL-Is-That-Supposed-To-Mean

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/23/2013 10:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> >
> > *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM
> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count 
> > on FFL.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > , "Rick Archer"  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > had his month's reprieve.
> >
> > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post 
> > that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint 
> > another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and 
> > shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post 
> > count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> >
> > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the 
> > ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> >
> > Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house?
> >
> 
> Correct.  The "heavy users" seem to be impulsive.  They post knee jerk 
> reactions.  Not a sign at all of the calmness that is supposed to be the 
> result of practicing a meditation technique.
> 
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Car! Woo Hoo! Move along to the junk yard, you silly Prius!

[Bhairitu]

On 08/23/2013 12:52 PM, obbajeeba wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Bhairitu  wrote:

>
> On 08/23/2013 11:28 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> > 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57599474/elon-musk-tesla-to-make-affordable-electric-car-in-three-to-four-years/ 


> >
> >
> > http://www.teslamotors.com/models
> >
> > My materialistic side of enlightenment wants one or two of these!
> >
>
> I wonder what Tesla Motors thinks is "affordable"? In the Bay Area that
> might be $60K. There are already hybrids at $18K but need to be around
> $12K. Electrics need to be $12K to be affordable. Affordable means
> different things in this unequal world.
>
Well then. There is a city called Detroit. It has lots of people who 
like to work in the manufacturing ethic, work hard, play hard. Might 
be able to get the car down to 18k and without all the remote control, 
gps, bluetooth and satellite radio, the price might be able to drop to 
12k.
The right to work state (Michigan),let's see, I think the apprentice 
tool and die workers are starting at $13.00 an hour now. Yep. Got word 
of that last month.




I believe Detroit already makes an $18K hybrid.  It's a Chevy which 
looks like the Toyota $18K hybrid.


The Russians already have a lot of control near River Rouge Ford plant 
or they bought one of the old Ford plants.

Come on, Raunchy, help me on these facts, I think I am spitting out here.

Tesla in America! A good slogan. :)

The dream for the car to cost less, just might pop those "jobs," in 
the SF area, if they are not included in this new frontier of electric 
car, for now, until the economy can hold itself a little more than 
just being "service," businesses available in the free America.
Hurry up, because the train station is falling apart and they want to 
build that Hockey facility in Bankruptcy.. Yes, to make that car 
cheaper here, Detroit is where it would make sense to be made. They 
about do anything for a buck now a days.




Tesla manufactures at part of the once vacant NUMMI plant in nearby 
Fremont here in the Bay Area.  It could be seen driving down 880. 
Detroit ain't the only place to build cars:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI

A car magazine reviewer on Thom Hartmann's forum replied to a post of 
mine a year or so back about the Mits electric which is on sale around  
here for about $21K.  He said it was a pretty good car.  It has enough 
range that I could leave my Forester in the garage for all but hauling 
(rare) and long trips. My Forester was either built in Indiana or 
Tennessee.


Thing is, an electric car could be cheap without reducing worker wages 
but two problems are 1) batteries that are light and inexpensive and 2) 
in expensive lightweight crash frames.


India wanted to exported inexpensive Tata cars to the west.

We're more likely to see more people riding electric mopeds before that 
happens.


Or we'll all be Mexicans soon!

PS: worker wages are another issue, very complex and often discussed too 
"one dimensionally".  The real problem is the cost of living is too due 
to the greed of a few.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Electric Car! Woo Hoo! Move along to the junk yard, you silly Prius!

[Michael Jackson]

I love the way they look but unfortunately they are pieces of crap.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/automobiles/stalled-on-the-ev-highway.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmichaels/2013/05/27/if-tesla-would-stop-selling-cars-wed-all-save-some-money/

http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem





 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Electric Car!  Woo Hoo!  Move along to the junk 
yard, you silly Prius!
 


  
On 08/23/2013 11:28 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

  
>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57599474/elon-musk-tesla-to-make-affordable-electric-car-in-three-to-four-years/
> 
>
>http://www.teslamotors.com/models 
>
>My materialistic side of enlightenment wants one or two of
  these!  
>
I wonder what Tesla Motors thinks is "affordable"?  In the Bay Area
that might be $60K.  There are already hybrids at $18K but need to
be around $12K.  Electrics need to be $12K to be affordable. 
Affordable means different things in this unequal world.


 

[FairfieldLife] Delta Airlines must be nuts!

[cardemaister]

[FairfieldLife] ha-shem (da-name) and "weak" consonants!

[cardemaister]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Electric Car! Woo Hoo! Move along to the junk yard, you silly Prius!

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/23/2013 11:28 AM, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57599474/elon-musk-tesla-to-make-affordable-electric-car-in-three-to-four-years/
> >  
> >
> >
> > http://www.teslamotors.com/models
> >
> > My materialistic side of enlightenment wants one or two of these!
> >
> 
> I wonder what Tesla Motors thinks is "affordable"?  In the Bay Area that 
> might be $60K.  There are already hybrids at $18K but need to be around 
> $12K.  Electrics need to be $12K to be affordable. Affordable means 
> different things in this unequal world.
>
Well then. There is a city called Detroit. It has lots of people who like to 
work in the manufacturing ethic, work hard, play hard. Might be able to get the 
car down to 18k and without all the remote control, gps, bluetooth and 
satellite radio, the price might be able to drop to 12k.
The right to work state (Michigan),let's see, I think the apprentice tool and 
die workers are starting at $13.00 an hour now. Yep. Got word of that last 
month.  
The Russians already have a lot of control near River Rouge Ford plant or they 
bought one of the old Ford plants. 
Come on, Raunchy, help me on these facts, I think I am spitting out here.

Tesla in America!  A good slogan. :)

The dream for the car to cost less, just might pop those "jobs," in the SF 
area, if they are not included in this new frontier of electric car, for now, 
until the economy can hold itself a little more than just being "service," 
businesses available in the free America.  
Hurry up, because the train station is falling apart and they want to build 
that Hockey facility in Bankruptcy.. Yes, to make that car cheaper here, 
Detroit is where it would make sense to be made. They about do anything for a 
buck now a days. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/23/2013 10:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> >
> > *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM
> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count 
> > on FFL.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > , "Rick Archer"  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> > > had his month's reprieve.
> >
> > Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post 
> > that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint 
> > another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and 
> > shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post 
> > count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
> > subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
> > moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.
> >
> > As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the 
> > ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.
> >
> > Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house?
> >
> 
> Correct.  The "heavy users" seem to be impulsive.  They post knee jerk 
> reactions.  Not a sign at all of the calmness that is supposed to be the 
> result of practicing a meditation technique.
> 
> >
>
Hey, phac, you banana boat. I resemble that remark!
No knee jerk here by me!  Thought and planned out tremendously!
You watch, you will miss me when I am gone, and that will not be far from long. 
Enjoy it NOW, enlightened one, just summer break, then I go back to teaching at 
Ludwig von Mises. ;) Will feel great.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Google? There is an alternative . . .

[Bhairitu]

And
NSA paid millions to Internet companies to cover surveillance program costs:

http://rt.com/usa/nsa-payed-internet-companies-911/

On 08/23/2013 10:15 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


I knew the guy that developed Google maps before it was sold to 
Google, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the funding came from 
the govt. The CIA very openly started an incubator fund in Silicon 
Valley in the 90's. I remember reading about it, though haven't heard 
anything since - big surprise.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Bhairitu  wrote:

>
> The BIG problem with Google is lack of senior management. Their credo
> is to turn a bunch of young people loose on projects and see what they
> come up with. So some young engineer thinks that maybe capturing the
> wifi SSIDs of home networks when driving a Google Maps car through a
> neighborhood might be useful someday and hey it might actually reward
> him with a better position at Google. If he had a more senior manager
> looking over his work he might be asked if he didn't feel that was an
> intrusion into privacy and maybe something Google might not want in the
> code because it WOULD raise privacy issues.
>
> Of course there will those who call fie on this because supposedly
> "Google was funded by the CIA". Maybe they were.
>
> I call Google a "lemonade stand" because of the lack of senior guidance
> at the company. I beat them hard over their "engineer dumps" which are
> supposed to be documentation for Android. Lately I've been doing some
> C# programming and once again when I look up something for C# on
> Microsoft's site I get a short concise definition as well as a too the
> point short example of the function. On Android there is some long
> winded rambling description and some poor example code that sorta fails
> to explain use properly.
>
> Google feels they don't have time to finish things because they need to
> "stay ahead of the crowd" and rush on to the next "big thing."
>
> On 08/22/2013 08:09 PM, Seraphita wrote:
> >
> > Yahoo websites attracted more US visitors than Google in July,
> > according to the most recent internet traffic numbers. A victory for
> > Google's first female engineer, Marissa Mayer, who left Google to
> > become CEO of Yahoo.
> >
> >
> > Google are becoming a bit creepy and nosy-parkerish aren't they?
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.

[Bhairitu]

On 08/23/2013 10:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote:


*From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley

*Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count 
on FFL.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Rick Archer" > wrote:

>
> If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has
> had his month's reprieve.

Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post 
that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint 
another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and 
shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post 
count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual 
subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another 
moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting.


As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the 
ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits.


Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house?



Correct.  The "heavy users" seem to be impulsive.  They post knee jerk 
reactions.  Not a sign at all of the calmness that is supposed to be the 
result of practicing a meditation technique.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Electric Car! Woo Hoo! Move along to the junk yard, you silly Prius!

[Bhairitu]

On 08/23/2013 11:28 AM, obbajeeba wrote:


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57599474/elon-musk-tesla-to-make-affordable-electric-car-in-three-to-four-years/ 



http://www.teslamotors.com/models

My materialistic side of enlightenment wants one or two of these!



I wonder what Tesla Motors thinks is "affordable"?  In the Bay Area that 
might be $60K.  There are already hybrids at $18K but need to be around 
$12K.  Electrics need to be $12K to be affordable. Affordable means 
different things in this unequal world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[doctordumbass]

I personally would like to see a wardrobe malfunction...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> But I think she just looks *adorable* in that cute military outfit and that 
> beret is just absolutely stunning, gives her a *touch* of masculinity. I 
> wonder who does her nails.
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  From: Seraphita 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:55 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
>   
>    
>  
> 
> 
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:>Manning says she's 
> always been a woman in her mind/psyche.> 
> This Manning "chap" becomes more embarrassing by the day. 
> 
> From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:
> 
> While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on 
> gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; 
> transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service.
> 
> Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years

[Mike Dixon]

But I think she just looks *adorable* in that cute military outfit and that 
beret is just absolutely stunning, gives her a *touch* of masculinity. I wonder 
who does her nails.

 


 From: Seraphita 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
  
   
 


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:>Manning says she's 
always been a woman in her mind/psyche.> 
This Manning "chap" becomes more embarrassing by the day. 

>From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read:

While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on 
gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; 
transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service.

Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.