http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuEvCnPj9Kg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuEvCnPj9Kg
This weekend, while others on FFL argued about unprovable theoretical shit like
the existence of God or tried to insult and demonize those who speak about
actual spiritual experience when they can't because they've never had any :-),
I, like millions of Americans and now others around the
Excellent clip. I think we all know which poseur on the forum will take offense
to it. :-)
From: cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 9:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brain Games:
sympathy for theology Interesting choice of words. I would say that these
new atheists are scientists, so why would a scientist have sympathy for
something that refuses to demonstrate any actual evidence in favour of its
position?
And I don't agree with the idea that Dawkins etc are smug or
This is one of those hideously specious arguments that weak-minded believers
trot out from time to time that I simply have no patience for. If I choose to
argue with an idiot who believes that the moon is made of green cheese, I don't
have to accept the possibility that it really IS made of
Excellent post. Especially Asimov's six points. I wonder if there is anyone on
this forum who is still so much a TB and such a head-in-the-sand type that
they'll try to deny that the TM movement believes in and sells all six beliefs.
And makes a fortune selling them.
Oh, I think it's a great argument. Nothing like an apparently cast iron
certainty to make the other side sharpen up it's debate. Human ingenuity is
boundless.
And who knows, one of us might actually be right ;-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
This is one of
You're such a smart guy, Salyavin, but you simply turn your brain off when it
comes to theism vs. atheism.
Experiential truth is the continuity of the doorway to joy - Deepak Chopra
(sort of)
http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/
Yep; Unified Field the God. I agree with Turqb here about the specious argument
of the sophists here. Though both Science and atheists will catch up and make
them believers as knowers as they all eventually come to the very scientific
experience that the Unified Field is preeminent God of all,
Judy, I don't have what you call an insatiable urge to pander. But I often make
conscious choices to say what I like about someone's posts. There's a big
difference and it's one you imo cannot see because you are at the other end of
the spectrum, tending to be hyper critical.
And in this
Well, I am in the midst of one of these random experiences. I woke this morning
about 4:30 am and realized I was in a state of bliss. I felt it all around and
in my body, sort of like an energy field that felt and feels palpable, like
an aura all around me. It is just bliss, no other word does
Salyavin, I've been wondering about this: what if God is simply what people
call it when, let's say, 99% of their brain is functioning in a very, very
healthy way? I do think there are some people, in all spiritual and or
religious systems and even outside of them, who have 99% of their brain
But there is still time to dose yourself with Maharishi Ayurvedic potions laden
with lead and heavy metals if you're interested in competing...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/16/jamie-coots-dead-snakebite_n_4799851.html
As Charisma: Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain
quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart
from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or
at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These
Advice from Kevin Spacey's Frank Underwood to those on FFL who think that the
forum is a battleground on which they can actually win.
http://digg.com/video/lessons-in-ruthlessness-from-frank-underwood
From: turquoi...@yahoo.com turquoi...@yahoo.com
To:
Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been
pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard
of, and been prone myself, of attempting to prolong an experience of higher
states of consciousness, but this doesn't hold water for me.
On 2/16/2014 9:57 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*Richard is a troll and says all kinds of things that aren't true or
are wildly distorted*
This message contains one falsehood and one character smear:
First, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's
motives that are
Um, Buck, which sophists are you referring to here, the ones making the
argument for God-as-Beingness, the source of all existence, the argument Barry
and Salyavin are ridiculing?
Or do you think you might have misread what Barry was saying? Or perhaps you
were being ironic in pretending you
It sounds, to me, as if you think sitting around all day, watching TV, is
somehow superior to social interaction. Too bad - it isn't.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
This weekend, while others on FFL argued about unprovable theoretical shit
like the existence of
I agree that god is what people call a brain in some sort of different,
enhanced, state and that must have something to do with our own sense of
feeling and powers of explanation. I think it was Aldous Huxley who theorised
that people who have god experiences have more mescalin occurring
There is no cheese greener than Barry's.
Not only is he an utter ignoramus with regard to theism, he holds the specious
belief that those who present an argument for theism must be theists
themselves. Yet more evidence for his inability to make a distinction between
X says... and What X says
Well, I don't know Robin's sexual orientation for sure, but I think we can
infer a lot from the fact that he pitched a Class A Hissy Fit when I called him
a drama queen and he thought that I was inferring he was gay. Can you say
hysterical overreaction? I think you can.
Besides, if what Judy
Share is on to something. As you said, Sal, it is all chemicals and neuronal
activity. Yes, it is. However, it must be stabilized through meditation and
activity. Then, unbounded awareness has a *choice*, to operate locally, while
established in Being, whether enjoying any flashy experience of
On 2/16/2014 3:34 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't think she can help herself.
Judy just can't help herself - some people just feel better when they
have someone to talk to.
Years ago, Judy followed me over here from Google Groups - it's like she
was stalking me or something. She
The best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your own arm. -
Swedish proverb
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
The wise man has long ears and a short tongue. - Anonymous
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds to me as if you've never figured out that you can watch a TV series in
the company of other people, in my case half a dozen friends who also liked the
first season who took advantage of me being the first person in town to get the
entire series. We went through fairly extraordinary
On 2/16/2014 1:31 PM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote:
See?, this is exactly the reason you are seen as a grudge
holder here.
Was there any need to make that post? Excessive posts clog
up the bandwidth and slow down data traffic.
---authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
Share
On 2/16/2014 8:39 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
On 2/16/2014 4:45 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
The theist doesn't believe in one god among other possible gods.
Polytheists believe there is more than one deity, for example the
Smarta Avaita Vedanta.
The Advaita Vedanta is idealistic
Oops - yeah, I fucked up on that one -- Much of the time, when you do not set
the stage for your viewing pleasure, it sounds like you are holed up in your
room, in front of the tube. But obviously, not always. Sounds like a great
time!! Can the Dutch make a decent pizza - is it thin crust, or
The best pizza in town (at least home-delivery pizza) is from a place
ironically named New York Pizza. It's more thick crust than thin crust, and
they sprinkle the crust liberally with garlic so it's much tastier than the
thin, limp pizzas you get in other places here in Leiden. In general,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Salyavin says:
An involving argument is no substitute for evidence. It's a security blanket.
So many feel that believing in a God or Gods or a Creator is somehow lesser
than not believing. It seems to be put out
On 2/16/2014 5:58 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
As St. Athanasius said, “God became man, so that man might become a god.”
According to Robin, at the time of his enlightenment he was on AofE
training with MMY and rounding for months at a time using the advanced
techniques given to him by
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:
This is one of those hideously specious arguments that weak-minded believers
trot out from time to time that I simply have no patience for. If I choose to
argue with an idiot who believes that the moon is made of green cheese, I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:
Well, I am in the midst of one of these random experiences. I woke this
morning about 4:30 am and realized I was in a state of bliss. I felt it all
around and in my body, sort of like an energy field that felt and feels
palpable,
We looked at this place yesterday - it needs a little fixing up. Apparently
it was moved here from another
location and placed on concrete piers. The house has an has a east-facing
front door.
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On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
No sympathy for theology is perhaps not the best phrase here. More to the
point would be lack of curiosity as to what theologians are actually saying.
Classical theists do not claim there is any scientific evidence for God--could
not be, by definition. The demand for such by the New Atheists is
You're such a smart guy, Salyavin, but you simply turn your brain off when it
comes to theism vs. atheism.
Again, not trying to convert you to theism, simply to show that Roberts's
argument is bogus where classical theism is concerned. You need an argument
that actually addresses classical
You don't understand my definition, sorry. I keep being misled by how smart you
are about other things, but you are so far behind and so resistant to learning
anything about classical theism that I really don't know where to start
explaining things to you.
One assumes Roberts is a New
Interesting about the minimalist pizzas, since a lot of the Italian ones are
like that - not the triple cheese and meat with pineapple monsters you
encounter here. Garlic in the crust definitely rocks.
Even though it has been 40 years since I lived abroad, I am always a little
surprised at how
I wrote:
Exactly. Just as Brahman is not a proper name, but Brahma is (or Zeus, or
Wotan, etc.). For theists, these named gods are, strictly speaking, demiurges,
deities subordinate to the Ultimate Reality, the Ground of Being. The Tao is
another term for the latter (which, according to
I wasn't aware of all of the courseware Robin was doing. Sounds to me as if
he was intoxicated on Sattva, and developed a delusional view of the world. Not
too surprising, given the strength of the techniques - Glad he is back to
ordinary living.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Robin's heterosexual.
Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been
pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard
of, and been prone myself, of attempting to prolong an experience of higher
states of consciousness, but this
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Thanks for the info - still get a weird feeling about this - he must have been
pretty delusional to take twenty five years to wake up to reality. I have heard
of, and been prone myself, of attempting to prolong an
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote:
On 2/16/2014 1:31 PM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote:
See?, this is exactly the reason you are seen as a grudge
holder here.
Was there any need to make that post? Excessive posts clog
up the bandwidth and slow
good stuff - Now, quickly - *Fade The Cloth*! ...wash your car, clean the
house, carry some water, chop some wood...etc.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:
Well, I am in the midst of one of these random experiences. I woke this
morning about 4:30 am and realized I was
I probably don't need to say that Barry's claims here are so wildly misleading
as to amount to lies.
Well, I don't know Robin's sexual orientation for sure, but I think we can
infer a lot from the fact that he pitched a Class A Hissy Fit when I called him
a drama queen and he thought that I
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised
that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
http://www.askatheists.com/7316;
Al Pacino (apparently)
No, he does not hold that specious belief, he has already, long ago, classified
you with those he calls idiots, it's completely direct without erudition. The
main thing is, he just does not like you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
There is no cheese greener than
Behind with classical theism? Boy, that's a weird concept. I would say that all
one needs to know about it is that it concerns a speculative set of theories
about man and the universes origin. You don't have to get into the actual nitty
gritty to know what they amount to - a way of looking at
Salyavin, I agree it would be great to compare some heads in the MRI machine (-:
But for an enlightened person, I'd prefer someone who many people think is a
very highly developed human on an ongoing basis. Not just one experience of God
or bliss or the Void or whatever. Someone like Mother
From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Quote of the day...
No, he does not hold that specious belief, he has already, long ago, classified
you with those he calls idiots,
Salyavin, continuing in my same vein, I would say that if we hooked Dawkins up
to an MRI machine, we'd see a very well developed part of the brain associated
with logic.
So, what is the force stronger than logic? Again, I think it's the human drive
to be fully developed. I mean really fully
You have to get into the actual nitty-gritty of classical theism if you want to
make a coherent argument against it. And that's what's required if you aim to
eliminate or negate all belief in God.
Oh, and classical theism isn't an explanatory idea that competes with
scientific explanatory
It's hardly an error to ask people to prove things if they are making such big
claims - if you are in the business of providing explanations that is.
If the ambition of theology really is to provide arguments for the existence
of god without ever resorting to science then it's even more
Regardless of how Barry regards me, he does indeed hold the specious belief
that X says... means the same as What X says is true.
No, he does not hold that specious belief, he has already, long ago,
classified you with those he calls idiots, it's completely direct without
erudition. The
Which big claims are the classical theists making? You don't know what they
are well enough to state them accurately.
Come to think of it, do you even know what a category error is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake
It's hardly
Dear Rick, did you see the ISSSEEM conference is being held in Kansas City this
year at the Unity conference facility there? ISSSEEM always brings a lot of
enlightened people together. I plan on going. Drivable trip from Fairfield,
Iowa. You could probably collect some more interviews from
Sounds like a nice time, they say that discussing the knowledge will
strengthen experience so maybe it's our high-minded chat on here that's
bringing it out.
Just make sure you have a paperclip with you next time
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:
Well, I am
Comments interspersed in the usual fashion
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
You have to get into the actual nitty-gritty of classical theism if you want
to make a coherent argument against it. And that's what's required if you aim
to eliminate or negate all
Not to overly offend those who feel that arguing the existence or non-existence
of a God is fun, but I really don't get the point. It's that not getting the
point that tempts me to follow up on my previous idiot posts today.
I consider ALL arguments idiotic. Those that involve matters of pure
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote:
No, he does not hold that specious belief, he has already, long ago,
classified you with those he calls idiots, it's completely direct without
erudition. The main thing is, he just does not like you.
Actually, the main thing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
It's hardly an error to ask people to prove things if they are making such big
claims - if you are in the business of providing explanations that is.
If the ambition of theology really is to provide arguments for
Yes, I would say Dawkins is right at one end of the continuum of human thought
processing, the other end would some sort of new age bliss freak. I'm about two
thirds towards RD even with TM, but I was a bit closer before.
Richard Dawkins learned TM once but he wasn't impressed, I wonder what
So you binge watched? Of course you didn't wear the eyepatch now that
the Netherlands has Netflix. Point of order though, watching on Netflix
is not downloading in the sense of it downloaded the whole show as one
file. Streamed content on Netflix (and most all streaming services) is
done in
Ann, certainly ONE MRI is not going to prove anything! Replication is a big
part of the scientific belief system (-:
So let's hook up 100 people claiming to be united with God and see if their
brains all fire up in the same area.
Even then, we'd need other bunch of people to say yes, I think
I had it in 1080p full HD form before Netflix ever released it. Pirate. My
versions were better quality than the streaming Netflix versions, which is why
my friends came over to my place to binge-watch it. :-)
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To:
If you had actually read the posts, you'd know that those arguing the theism
side were not trying to sell belief in theism. Again, it's the difference
between Theism says... and What theism says is true, the distinction you
have never been able to make.
What started this discussion was
turq, for me it's not about God or no God or many gods. It's about optimal
development and optimal well being, not only for humans but for the whole
planet and the whole universe as well.
On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:33 AM, turquoi...@yahoo.com
turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Not to
It's important to understand the context in which he said.
Most theists believe that their version of God, in that
particular name is true, and they dismiss all other versions
as false.
As Xeno mentioned, their belief is anthropomorphic in a
sense, each theist sticks adamantly to his
Why does it have to be other than some sort of being appearing before me? He
used to do that all the time, why not now. Would solve a lot of problems if he
did.
But if he can't manage that I'll settle forhow about the universe we live
in giving the impression that it was designed in
A screener? Netflix SuperHD is getting very close to BD. And VUDU's
HDX is even better but it probably was streaming more at 8-9 mbps
compared to NF's peak 6 mbps. Most Netflix pirates are screen captures
from a browser then written to disc using free software. Most people
don't have the
Fair enough. I like the arguing as it gives me a chance to try and get things
straight in my own head, I like pondering the eternal verities but am much more
a Darwinian thinker, but no tub thumper as I don't go around trying to convince
anyone, except on message boards where people ask
Love it. Here are 21 favorites of mine (and, apologizing, in advance, for #17
and #21, but they're still funny as hell):
1. Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock.
2. Why step on the same rake twice?
3. Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark.
I know what the context was, thank you. The point is that his argument doesn't
come anywhere near refuting classical theism. As I told Salyavin, you can't
hope to eliminate religious belief altogether unless you refute classical
theism, which is sort of the granddaddy of all other forms of
I would say Dawkins is right at one end of the continuum of human thought
processing...
True, but knowledge, *is* structured in consciousness, so any deft thinker can
make a case that justifies his or her limited view of the world. So what? It is
like standing in front of the Sun, with eyes
I wrote:
You have to get into the actual nitty-gritty of classical theism if you want
to make a coherent argument against it. And that's what's required if you aim
to eliminate or negate all belief in God.
Again, I disagree. I have made a coherent argument against it, the argument
is that
Although he denies the idea of running for president again, it appears that
he's getting himself in the news to see if he has enough support to win the
next election. He's also testing to see if he can damage Hillary Clinton's
image as the next Democratic candidate for the presidency. If not,
Comments in pink this time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
I wrote:
You have to get into the actual nitty-gritty of classical theism if you want
to make a coherent argument against it. And that's what's required if you aim
to eliminate or negate all belief in
Science of Creative Intelligence Tape 8:
When Consciousness becomes Consciousness and Intelligence becomes Intelligent
That is the Expression of Creative Intelligence.
Buck's favored quote today. .
Science of Creative Intelligence Tape 8
When Consciousness becomes Consciousness
and Intelligence becomes Intelligent That is the Expression of Creative
Intelligence.
That is just how it is! -Buck in the Dome
But Salyavin, I'd say Dawkins is like the rest of us, heading towards optimal
development. Who knows what that is or what it would entail or appear like in
general? And who knows how it would be for Dawkins? He can speculate about how
he'd react to a mystical experience but until it actually
All I know about RD is that he wouldn't attach any god sounding things to it or
any unified quantum field stuff.
Funny if he did though and became another movement spokesman sitting next to
Hagelin, Lynch and Brand.
That'd be a coup for them. Least likely option though
---In
If classical theism refers to god characterized as an/the absolutely
metaphysically ultimate being having,
simplicity
is all knowing
is all powerful
is all good
is ultimate reality
is transcendent
is incorporeal
is timeless
is infinite
is all intelligent
This all sounds very
TTFN, and thanks for another super post.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote:
If classical theism refers to god characterized as an/the absolutely
metaphysically ultimate being having,
simplicity
is all knowing
is all powerful
is all good
is ultimate reality
is
TTFN and thanks for another super post.
I'm sure the argument will range here for another thousand years.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote:
If classical theism refers to god characterized as an/the absolutely
metaphysically ultimate being having,
simplicity
Agreed. Excellent post.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Quote of the day...
TTFN and thanks for another super post.
I'm sure the
An/the absolutely metaphysically ultimate being is not how classical theism
characterizes God.
If classical theism refers to god characterized as an/the absolutely
metaphysically ultimate being having,
simplicity
is all knowing
is all powerful
is all good
is ultimate reality
is
Beautiful, Buck !
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme, 9 January 2014 When men look back at
this time, they will wonder in disbelief at the atrocities and suffering they
have tolerated for so long. Some will blame and call for punishment and
settling of scores. Maitreya, men will find, will caution
Wikipedia:
Psychological aspects [ of semen -- card]
A recent study has suggested that semen acts as an antidepressant in women, so
that women physically exposed to semen are less likely to suffer from
depression. It is thought that the psychological effects of semen are a result
of its
Questions and answers with Benjamin Crème, February 2014. For full review:
http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2014/2014-01.htm
http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2014/2014-01.htm
.You have taught much about our space brothers from nearby planets. But
Here's a better one about Benjy and his claims about Maitreya - sounds a lot
like the way TM claims it created all good things.
On Monday, February 17, 2014 3:44 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme,9 January 2014
When
Logician Kurt Gödel's ontological proof for the existence of God. (This should
keep salyavin808 busy for a while.)
Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those
and only those properties which are positive Definition 2: A is an essence of x
if and only if for
OK, now you're just being flip and not engaging with anything I say. There's no
point in continuing the discussion. Enjoy the fruits of your continued
ignorance.
Comments in pink this time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
I wrote:
You have to get into the
It is unfortunate that some see Benjamin Crème as some sort of Anti-Christ. If
they opened their hearts and minds to the both obvious and underlying message
of this Gentleman, and the message of all Seers throughout time, they will see
the same old message.
“The important thing is this: to
Not as long as you'd think, it's an old one. It originated here: God, by
definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the
understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be
greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
I
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
Yep, I was being flip, simply because you would obviously rather adopt an arch
superior tone instead of explaining what you mean.
Do it now instead of blaming me. Seize the moment!
OK, now you're just being flip and not
“The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we
are for what we could become” - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -
we as individuals and we the peoples, humanity. When humanity collectively
(more or less) are willing to sacrifice our past for what we can become, then
we
Yep, I was being flip, simply because you would obviously rather adopt an arch
superior tone instead of explaining what you mean.
Do it now instead of blaming me. Seize the moment!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:
OK, now you're just being flip and not engaging
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