date:20051121

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Mercimy wife gave me a cool Craftsman tool chest
> w/ the pull-out drawers for my B-day



I always wondered what it was like to have a Craftmatic bed...



> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy
> > Cow!
> > 
> > Happy happy joy joy x 52...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > __ 
> > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in
> > one click.
> > > http://farechase.yahoo.com
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > ~--> 
> > AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop
> > AIDS now.
> >
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
> >
> ---
-~->
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Or go to: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!' 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> __ 
> Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I don't
> > want to feel shitty.
> 
> What if you get the flu, or cancer?
>

Then I expect to have the same thrilling little bubbles of bliss that 
the Lord Jesus had as the spikes were driven into his hands and legs.

W.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy writes:
> I *do* have an expectation of how it is *not* supposed
> to be--i.e., like ignorance.
> 
> Tom T comments:
> I thought I was being clear that any expectation is that an
> expectation. So to have an expectation of what it is *not* supposed 
to
> be ie like ignorance leads to the question of who defines what it is
> supposed to be and how does that look, feel or whatever you can say
> about it. Any expectation of what it is *not* is an expectation of
> what it is supposed to be look, feel etc. In order to know the *not*
> there must be some belief that it can"t be like ignorance. Hmmm. How
> do you know that to be true?

If it's not true, then, you know, the hell with it.








 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

Mercimy wife gave me a cool Craftsman tool chest
w/ the pull-out drawers for my B-day

--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy
> Cow!
> 
> Happy happy joy joy x 52...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > __ 
> > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in
> one click.
> > http://farechase.yahoo.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop
> AIDS now.
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 




__ 
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I for one have at least one expectation: when
> enlightened I don't
> > want to feel shitty.
> 
> What if you get the flu, or cancer?

Before enlightenment, flu, cancer, feeling shitty.
After enlightenment, flu, cancer, feeling shitty. But
it's not the same at all. Prior to enlightenment there
is "you" located within a vast matrix of time and
space. After enlightenment that prior vast matrix of
time and space is a tiny blip of thought inside a
"non-you" that has no limit. To even say it has no
limits sounds so stupid. Like saying water is
"not-dry". What the time and space are (flu, cancer,
feeling shitty...bliss, celestial perception) don't
mean anything.

P.S. Judy, please stop lying about your ignorance. ;-)

> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

Judy writes:
I *do* have an expectation of how it is *not* supposed
to be--i.e., like ignorance.

Tom T comments:
I thought I was being clear that any expectation is that an
expectation. So to have an expectation of what it is *not* supposed to
be ie like ignorance leads to the question of who defines what it is
supposed to be and how does that look, feel or whatever you can say
about it. Any expectation of what it is *not* is an expectation of
what it is supposed to be look, feel etc. In order to know the *not*
there must be some belief that it can"t be like ignorance. Hmmm. How
do you know that to be true? Enjoy Tom
PS welcome back Michael old friend and mentor. I am sure you can do a
much better job at this than I. 





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In 
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Judy Stein writes: snipped
> > Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
> > expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
> > that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
> > 
> > Tom T comment:
> > Why do you want to have any expectation about how it is supposed 
to
> > be. How do you know for sure how it is supposed to be? Maybe it 
is 
> not
> > at all what your expectations have it made out to be. Think 
about 
> that
> > or do self inquiry about why that might be important to you. 
Enjoy 
> Tom
> >
> 
> 
> I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I don't 
> want to feel shitty.
>

The advantage to being enlightened when you feel shitty is that you 
will know *exactly* what to do to feel less shitty. And the bonus is 
that you will then in fact be more enlightened! 

To paraphrase something Rory said awhile ago, pre-enlightenment is 
all about *seeking*, which translates into action as finding 
solutions somewhat slowly and painfully. 

After enlightenment is all about *finding*, which translates into 
finding solutions quickly, with a minimum of effort. The work still 
needs to be done. It is just done more easily, with less mental 
clutter. 

For the same effort you will acomplish 100 times the work. Because 
the self-imposed boundaries are no longer there. Less fighting life, 
less strain, less feeling bad.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> 
> > > So it seems to me that I'm "judging" my state of
> > > consciousness by exactly the criterion Michael suggests--
> > > not by flashy experiences or noticing witnessing or
> > > behaving better, but:
> > > 
> > > "In enlightenment our actions are spontaneously right.
> > > Before enlightenment our actions are strained, but
> > > still right. All that happens is that the sense of
> > > strain disappears. But that's a dramatic shift."
> > > 
> > > I still have a sense of strain.
> > > 
> > > Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
> > > expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
> > > that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
> > > 
> > > (Yes, yes, I know, nirvana = samsara and all that.
> > > But I don't think that's a useful maxim pre-nirvana.)
> > >
> > Well, thank you for this exchange. Yep, you are right, it is 
that 
> > strain which appears to be the chief indicator of where we are 
vis
> > a vis realization. The good news is, as Michael says, that it is 
> > not the distance we may imagine it is, in order to get from here 
to 
> > there.
> 
> Thanks to you too.
> 
> I'm honestly not thinking of it as a huge distance.
> I just would like to be able to say "I'm not enlightened
> yet" and not have somebody contradict me.  ;-)
>
I get it. I too always have thought it was better to be honest with 
my experience than faking it, to myself or anybody else. Hang in 
there. Michael has provided you some excellent guidance.





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >>I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty 
quickly.
> >>I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be 
> >>found in the Files/FFLIndex.html section, or as message 4002, 
from 
> >>Michael Dean Goodman. I have copied a [lengthy] excerpt from 
that 
> >>message. Normally I wouldn't copy something so long, but this 
> >>writing is extraordinary in its simplicity and clarity:
> 
>  > authfriend/Judy Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
> > Thanks, Jim.  Michael's explanations are indeed extraordinary.
> 
> Dear Jim and Judy,
> 
> Thank you - you are both very gracious in your appreciation.
> It's an honor to be of service.  When someone expresses a sincere
> need, and I find myself motivated to write this kind of essay,
> I'm often surprised at what emerges out of the silence, and I'm
> often clarified and strengthened in my own understanding by the
> process.  Even years later, with this resurrected post, it still
> has that effect on me.

Dear Michael,

It is always a pleasure to read a personal account of real life, 
life in freedom, infinite discovery and joy! Thank you again for 
making this wonderful resource of your writing available.

All the Best,

Jim

 






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

2005-11-21 Thread Michael Dean Goodman

>> jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty quickly.
>>I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be 
>>found in the Files/FFLIndex.html section, or as message 4002, from 
>>Michael Dean Goodman. I have copied a [lengthy] excerpt from that 
>>message. Normally I wouldn't copy something so long, but this 
>>writing is extraordinary in its simplicity and clarity:

 > authfriend/Judy Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
> Thanks, Jim.  Michael's explanations are indeed extraordinary.

Dear Jim and Judy,

Thank you - you are both very gracious in your appreciation.
It's an honor to be of service.  When someone expresses a sincere
need, and I find myself motivated to write this kind of essay,
I'm often surprised at what emerges out of the silence, and I'm
often clarified and strengthened in my own understanding by the
process.  Even years later, with this resurrected post, it still
has that effect on me.

 > Judy continues:
> I wish he were around.  

Judy, I AM around - on this list and many others.  But mostly I just
silently observe.  I only post when I feel that I have something val-
uable to say - something that will be of service in the realm of un-
derstanding or experience, something that will help people remember
who they are.  Those opportunities don't seem to arise here so much
anymore.  :(

[In case my earlier posts may be of some value to either of you,
there is an index of my more useful ones in message #43379 in the archives.]

> This piece *almost* convinces me that I'm Self-realized,

Now Judy, you can predict what I'm going to say!
I'm NOT trying to convince you.
I AM encouraging you to notice that shift of perspective where the
Reality becomes Self-evident.
If I convinced you, I would just shift your "beliefs", the attitude
or filters of your intellect (and a fine intellect it is!).  That
wouldn't catalyze awakening.

What I want to do is two things:

   1. To shift your awareness itself, to direct your awareness back
  upon its Self, so that the simple, direct "experience" (if it
  can be called an experience) is an "aha", an awakening!

   2. To present an understanding that is an alternative to the
  ignorant "understanding" that we've all been immersed in
  through our culture/family/school/religion/etc. - to present
  an understanding that compliments/supports that "aha" experience.

> but I'd really like to ask him about being overshadowed by the
 > relative, which is my sole basis for saying I'm not Self-realized.

Judy, have I ever failed to come out to answer your questions?  ;)

 > If my experience is that I'm overshadowed, how would Michael interpret
 > that in terms of what he says in this piece?

What I need here is a more detailed understanding of what you mean
by "being overshadowed by the relative":

   a. What overshadows you?  Everything, specific things...?

   b. Who/what gets overshadowed?

   c. How do you know you are overshadowed?  What are the "symptoms"?

   d. Who notices that you are sometimes overshadowed and sometimes
  not?

If you would look into these questions, and answer them based on your
simple, direct experience (not theoretical understanding), then I
predict I could be of service to you.

Namaste,

Michael

PARA - THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION
Michael Dean Goodman Ph.D., D.D., Director
Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) FL * 641-919-3700 * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clients and programs throughout the United States, Europe, and India
Counseling * Workshops * Presentations * Spiritual Guidance * Satsang

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

on 11/21/05 8:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I don't
> want to feel shitty.

What if you get the flu, or cancer?

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Vatican Official Refutes Intelligent Design


VATICAN OFFICIAL REFUTES INTELLIGENT DESIGN
By Nicole Winfield
Associated Press
November 18, 2005

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Vatican_Evolution.html

VATICAN CITY - The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent
design" isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest
high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate in the
United States.

The Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said
placing intelligent design theory alongside that of evolution in school
programs was "wrong" and was akin to mixing apples with oranges.

"Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be," the ANSA
news agency quoted Coyne as saying on the sidelines of a conference in
Florence. "If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be
taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science."

His comments were in line with his previous statements on "intelligent
design" -- whose supporters hold that the universe is so complex that it
must have been created by a higher power.

Proponents of intelligent design are seeking to get public schools in the
United States to teach it as part of the science curriculum. Critics say
intelligent design is merely creationism -- a literal reading of the Bible's
story of creation -- camouflaged in scientific language, and they say it
does not belong in science curriculum.

In a June article in the British Catholic magazine The Tablet, Coyne
reaffirmed God's role in creation, but said science explains the history of
the universe.

"If they respect the results of modern science, and indeed the best of
modern biblical research, religious believers must move away from the notion
of a dictator God or a designer God, a Newtonian God who made the universe
as a watch that ticks along regularly."

Rather, he argued, God should be seen more as an encouraging parent.

"God in his infinite freedom continuously creates a world that reflects that
freedom at all levels of the evolutionary process to greater and greater
complexity," he wrote. "He is not continually intervening, but rather
allows, participates, loves."

The Vatican Observatory, which Coyne heads, is one of the oldest
astronomical research institutions in the world. It is based in the papal
summer residence at Castel Gandolfo south of Rome.

Last week, Pope Benedict XVI waded indirectly into the evolution debate by
saying the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and criticizing
those who in the name of science say its creation was without direction or
order.

Questions about the Vatican's position on evolution were raised in July by
Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn.

In a New York Times column, Schoenborn seemed to back intelligent design and
dismissed a 1996 statement by Pope John Paul II that evolution was "more
than just a hypothesis." Schoenborn said the late pope's statement was
"rather vague and unimportant."



NHNE News List:

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To unsubscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To review current posts:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages

Published by David Sunfellow
NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE)
eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NHNE Website: http://www.nhne.com/
Phone: (928) 282-6120
Fax: (815) 642-0117

Appreciate what we are doing?
You can say so with a tax-deductible donation:
http://www.nhne.com/main/donations.html

P.O. Box 2242
Sedona, AZ 86339





 

Yahoo! Groups Links



 





-- End of Forwarded Message




 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy Stein writes: snipped
> Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
> expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
> that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
> 
> Tom T comment:
> Why do you want to have any expectation about how it is supposed to
> be. How do you know for sure how it is supposed to be? Maybe it is 
not
> at all what your expectations have it made out to be. Think about 
that
> or do self inquiry about why that might be important to you. Enjoy 
Tom
>

I for one have at least one expectation: when enlightened I don't 
want to feel shitty.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy Stein writes: snipped
> Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
> expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
> that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
> 
> Tom T comment:
> Why do you want to have any expectation about how it is supposed to
> be. How do you know for sure how it is supposed to be?

Tom, please read what I wrote again.  I said I *didn't*
have expectations of how it is supposed to be.

I *do* have an expectation of how it is *not* supposed
to be--i.e., like ignorance.

 Maybe it is not
> at all what your expectations have it made out to be. Think about 
that
> or do self inquiry about why that might be important to you. Enjoy 
Tom
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:

> > So it seems to me that I'm "judging" my state of
> > consciousness by exactly the criterion Michael suggests--
> > not by flashy experiences or noticing witnessing or
> > behaving better, but:
> > 
> > "In enlightenment our actions are spontaneously right.
> > Before enlightenment our actions are strained, but
> > still right. All that happens is that the sense of
> > strain disappears. But that's a dramatic shift."
> > 
> > I still have a sense of strain.
> > 
> > Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
> > expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
> > that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
> > 
> > (Yes, yes, I know, nirvana = samsara and all that.
> > But I don't think that's a useful maxim pre-nirvana.)
> >
> Well, thank you for this exchange. Yep, you are right, it is that 
> strain which appears to be the chief indicator of where we are vis
> a vis realization. The good news is, as Michael says, that it is 
> not the distance we may imagine it is, in order to get from here to 
> there.

Thanks to you too.

I'm honestly not thinking of it as a huge distance.
I just would like to be able to say "I'm not enlightened
yet" and not have somebody contradict me.  ;-)






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?


On Nov 21, 2005, at 6:43 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:25 PM, sparaig wrote:
>>
>>> It sounds like a completely different form of meditation. TM and
> the
>>> breath suspension episodes during TC are generally associated with
>>> resting. In THIS study, "electrical activity during periods of
>>> complete immobility though their heart rates accelerated in almost
>>> perfect parallel with accelerations of their brain waves during
>>> moments of ecstasy."
>>>
>>> Can't comment on its relative effectiveness, but the metabolic
>>> effects sound different than TM, and there's no mention of breath
>>> suspension during the technique. Accelerated heart rate implies
> the
>>> exact opposite, in fact...
>>
>> It's definitely not TM, it's obviously a more advanced meditation
>
> Oh , obviously...
>
> and
>> not aimed at relaxation, at least in the same sense that TM.
> Ecstasy
>> dozens of times more powerful than orgasm can be profoundly
> relaxing.
>>
>
> Which is why the heart rate went up so much of course...

I know people who've passed out.



 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

Judy Stein writes: snipped
Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.

Tom T comment:
Why do you want to have any expectation about how it is supposed to
be. How do you know for sure how it is supposed to be? Maybe it is not
at all what your expectations have it made out to be. Think about that
or do self inquiry about why that might be important to you. Enjoy Tom





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:25 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > It sounds like a completely different form of meditation. TM and 
the
> > breath suspension episodes during TC are generally associated with
> > resting. In THIS study, "electrical activity during periods of
> > complete immobility though their heart rates accelerated in almost
> > perfect parallel with accelerations of their brain waves during
> > moments of ecstasy."
> >
> > Can't comment on its relative effectiveness, but the metabolic
> > effects sound different than TM, and there's no mention of breath
> > suspension during the technique. Accelerated heart rate implies 
the
> > exact opposite, in fact...
> 
> It's definitely not TM, it's obviously a more advanced meditation 

Oh , obviously...

and  
> not aimed at relaxation, at least in the same sense that TM. 
Ecstasy  
> dozens of times more powerful than orgasm can be profoundly 
relaxing.
>

Which is why the heart rate went up so much of course...







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

2005-11-21 Thread tazarmfune


> At one point, a meditation teacher claiming to be associated 
with Chopra told a.m.t. readers that CHopra and 200 former TM 
teachers had pooled their knowledge to come up with a valid 
form of meditation. 
> These days, Chopra claims he learned the meditation 
technique he teaches from "someone in India."

My understanding is that when he first starting teaching 
meditation, he got the technique from a guru in the 
Shankacharya lineage. The technique was called Gayatri 
mantra.










 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> > Put another way, it is that sense that there is still someting
> > there when we are sitting quietly, yet not thinking. To call 
> > it 'attributeless bliss' perhaps is distracting. it is just that 
> > sense of silence without thoughts that we sometimes experience 
when 
> > just sitting quietly, not thinking, not meditating. Does this 
sound 
> > like something you have experienced?
> 
> Yes, but I wouldn't swear it was the Self, because, as
> I went on to say:
> 
> > > (And in any case, Michael says what I've always 
> > > understood, that the Self isn't something that can
> > > be "found"; it can't be an object of perception.)
> 
> 
> > > Still feels "strained" to me.  That's part of what I
> > > mean by being overshadowed.
> > > 
> > > There's definitely been progress, but it still
> > > seems like there's quite a way to go.
> > 
> > OK. I think I understand. In order for the strain to not be 
there, 
> > there must be an acceptance of all...which is impossible to 
grasp 
> > intellectually. At least for me it always was, because I equated 
> > acceptance of all, with *liking* all, which I suspect is never 
the 
> > case...
> 
> I don't think I make that equation.  It's more like
> you said, I equate acceptance with lack of resistance.
> But as you also say, acceptance isn't intellectual; it
> isn't something you can *do* intentionally.  It's
> something that *happens* to you.  And it hasn't happened
> to me yet (at least not all the way).
> 
> So I have to think that what Michael calls the "shift
> of perspective" (bad word, because "perspective" is of
> the intellect, but Michael doesn't mean that) from 
> identifying with the relative to identifying with the
> Self hasn't yet taken place for me.
> 
> In other words, if Self-realization means not being
> overshadowed, and being overshadowed equals resistance/
> lack of acceptance, then I'm not Self-realized.
> 
> So it seems to me that I'm "judging" my state of
> consciousness by exactly the criterion Michael suggests--
> not by flashy experiences or noticing witnessing or
> behaving better, but:
> 
> "In enlightenment our actions are spontaneously right.
> Before enlightenment our actions are strained, but
> still right. All that happens is that the sense of
> strain disappears. But that's a dramatic shift."
> 
> I still have a sense of strain.
> 
> Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
> expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
> that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.
> 
> (Yes, yes, I know, nirvana = samsara and all that.
> But I don't think that's a useful maxim pre-nirvana.)
>
Well, thank you for this exchange. Yep, you are right, it is that 
strain which appears to be the chief indicator of where we are vis a 
vis realization. The good news is, as Michael says, that it is not 
the distance we may imagine it is, in order to get from here to 
there. 





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] dvaadashaanta?

It has several meanings and is elucidated in a number of texts. The  
most common meaning is the breath is at a level of subtlety that it  
is felt to extend twelve finger-widths from the nose (downwards). It  
also has another meaning referring to the "secret" flow of prana from  
the adhara-chakra, the sahasara-chakra or the hands/feet. These are  
used in certain internal practices. In the latter case "internal" and  
"external" are not necessarily separate. :-)

On Nov 21, 2005, at 5:02 PM, cardemaister wrote:

> The first two sentences Bhoja's commentary on YS II 51 goe
> like this:
>
> praaNasya baahyo viSayo naasaa-dvaadashaantaadiH |
> aabhyantaro viSayo hRdaya-naabhi-cakraadiH |
>
> According to my dictionary the literal meaning of
> "viSaya" is "field of action". Using that meaning
> would give a translation something like:
>
> the outer field of action of praaNa is "nose-tvelve-end-etc."
> (naasaa-dvaadasha-anta-aadiH). I have absolutely no idea
> how to translate "dvaadashaanta" properly. According to
> one website:
>
> "1. Fix the mind at the centre of the body (praaNa) and at the
> dvaadashaanta (apaana = about nine inches outside the body)".
> (I've added the long vowels and stuff for easier comparison.)
>
> http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/vijnan.htm
>
> The second sentence seems a bit easier:
>
> The inner field of action [of praaNa is] heart(chakra), navel-chakra,
> etc.
>
> The third sentence goes like this:
>
> tau dvau viSayaavaakSipya (viSayau + aakSipya) paryaalocya saH
> stambha-ruupo gati-vicchedaH sa caturthaH praaNaayaamaH
>
> This is just a lousy attempt at translation:
>
> having withdrawn (??aakSipya) from those two viSayas after considering
> (???paryaalocya), that restriction of movement [of breathing?]
> (gati-vicchedaH) resembling(?) suspension (stambha-ruupa) is [called]
> the fourth praaNaayaama.
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!

Happy happy joy joy x 52...

> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> 
> 
>   
> __ 
> Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: When the student is ready the teacher will appear

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At an MIU class on pulse twenty or so years ago, I was asked to feel 
> the pulse of the person sitting next to me, who had been instructed 
> to think the word "mangala," whose meaning I did not know at the 
> time. I almost immediately felt an immense sensation of power, which 
> is a characteristic of the planet Mars (mangala in Sanskrit). 
> Definitely convinced me of the validity of pulse diagnosis...

The thing that appealed to me about pulse diagnosis
was the *self*-pulse diagnosis aspect--like biofeedback
but without any machines.

(I took one class with Dr. Douillard on a course years
ago, but I never pursued it.)

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fourth?

To truly understand what this means, you should get an authentic  
teacher to explain the rather detailed commentary of the secrets in  
this passage contained in the yoga-siddhanta-chandrika. The comments  
on this sutra also reveal why the correct route around the siddhis is  
contained in this sutra.

On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:48 AM, cardemaister wrote:

>
> What the...is the fourth (caturtha) [praaNaayaama]?
>
> baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH (II 51).

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Put another way, it is that sense that there is still someting
> there when we are sitting quietly, yet not thinking. To call 
> it 'attributeless bliss' perhaps is distracting. it is just that 
> sense of silence without thoughts that we sometimes experience when 
> just sitting quietly, not thinking, not meditating. Does this sound 
> like something you have experienced?

Yes, but I wouldn't swear it was the Self, because, as
I went on to say:

> > (And in any case, Michael says what I've always 
> > understood, that the Self isn't something that can
> > be "found"; it can't be an object of perception.)

> > Still feels "strained" to me.  That's part of what I
> > mean by being overshadowed.
> > 
> > There's definitely been progress, but it still
> > seems like there's quite a way to go.
> 
> OK. I think I understand. In order for the strain to not be there, 
> there must be an acceptance of all...which is impossible to grasp 
> intellectually. At least for me it always was, because I equated 
> acceptance of all, with *liking* all, which I suspect is never the 
> case...

I don't think I make that equation.  It's more like
you said, I equate acceptance with lack of resistance.
But as you also say, acceptance isn't intellectual; it
isn't something you can *do* intentionally.  It's
something that *happens* to you.  And it hasn't happened
to me yet (at least not all the way).

So I have to think that what Michael calls the "shift
of perspective" (bad word, because "perspective" is of
the intellect, but Michael doesn't mean that) from 
identifying with the relative to identifying with the
Self hasn't yet taken place for me.

In other words, if Self-realization means not being
overshadowed, and being overshadowed equals resistance/
lack of acceptance, then I'm not Self-realized.

So it seems to me that I'm "judging" my state of
consciousness by exactly the criterion Michael suggests--
not by flashy experiences or noticing witnessing or
behaving better, but:

"In enlightenment our actions are spontaneously right.
Before enlightenment our actions are strained, but
still right. All that happens is that the sense of
strain disappears. But that's a dramatic shift."

I still have a sense of strain.

Or to put it another way:  It's not that I have
expectations of what enlightenment is like; it's
that I expect it *not* to be like ignorance.

(Yes, yes, I know, nirvana = samsara and all that.
But I don't think that's a useful maxim pre-nirvana.)

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I never heard someone claim that Maharishi said that he 
> promised 
> > never
> > > > to teach meditation and then turn around and do the exact 
> opposite.
> > > >
> > > > Chopra did.
> > > 
> > > He's not using the TM-puja style initiation is he? Nor is he 
> using 
> > TM- 
> > > style "checking" is he?
> > >
> > 
> > He's teaching meditation.
> > 
> > I don't know whether a puja is involved.  Yes, I think personal 
> > checking is.
> > 
> > Whatever.  I think he should stick to Ajuyveda and all that and 
> leave 
> > meditation alone.
> 
> As far as I know, Chopra does not teach TM - He do teach some kind 
> of meditation - but nothing similar to TM.
> Ingegerd
> >
>

I'm not 100% sure but aside from the mantras the technique is 
exactly the same.

I also believe he offers his brand of sidhis...whether the technique 
is the same, I don't know.







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] dvaadashaanta?

2005-11-21 Thread cardemaister

The first two sentences Bhoja's commentary on YS II 51 goe 
like this:

praaNasya baahyo viSayo naasaa-dvaadashaantaadiH |
aabhyantaro viSayo hRdaya-naabhi-cakraadiH |

According to my dictionary the literal meaning of
"viSaya" is "field of action". Using that meaning
would give a translation something like:

the outer field of action of praaNa is "nose-tvelve-end-etc."
(naasaa-dvaadasha-anta-aadiH). I have absolutely no idea
how to translate "dvaadashaanta" properly. According to
one website:

"1. Fix the mind at the centre of the body (praaNa) and at the 
dvaadashaanta (apaana = about nine inches outside the body)".
(I've added the long vowels and stuff for easier comparison.)

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/vijnan.htm

The second sentence seems a bit easier:

The inner field of action [of praaNa is] heart(chakra), navel-chakra, 
etc.

The third sentence goes like this:

tau dvau viSayaavaakSipya (viSayau + aakSipya) paryaalocya saH
stambha-ruupo gati-vicchedaH sa caturthaH praaNaayaamaH

This is just a lousy attempt at translation:

having withdrawn (??aakSipya) from those two viSayas after considering
(???paryaalocya), that restriction of movement [of breathing?]
(gati-vicchedaH) resembling(?) suspension (stambha-ruupa) is [called]
the fourth praaNaayaama.









 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: When the student is ready the teacher will appear

2005-11-21 Thread bbrigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bdadvaitin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Have been to Dr. John Douillard's website{Lifespa.com}and
> > he has a tapes series on Pulse Diagnosis. Does anyone know
> > or heard anything about this?
> >
> 
> 

> Pulse diagnosis is the direct reading of the overall state of 
health 
> of a being. 
> The pulse is the fundamental expression of life energy and within 
it 
> is contained detailed information on the state of such a life.
> Maharishi would take it further and state that it actually helps 
to 
> purify the body and mind and take the consciousness to a higher 
> spiritual level by the very act of sensing the subtle 
relationshops 
> contained therein. Thus it is a technique for developing 
> enlightenment more than just a health monitor, as Dr. Duillard may 
> be teaching. 
> However, either way, it is very subtle and without transcendental 
> consciousness experienced through a simple and effortless way, 
such 
> that the practitioner is familiar with, and sensitive to it, it 
> would be only vaguely useful for the average untrained person.
> 
> OffWorld
>

*

At an MIU class on pulse twenty or so years ago, I was asked to feel 
the pulse of the person sitting next to me, who had been instructed 
to think the word "mangala," whose meaning I did not know at the 
time. I almost immediately felt an immense sensation of power, which 
is a characteristic of the planet Mars (mangala in Sanskrit). 
Definitely convinced me of the validity of pulse diagnosis...

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:27 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, sparaig wrote:
>>
> [...]

 http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm

>>>
>>> ITs really hard to generalize from an article from 1955.
> Scientific
>>> apparatus and techniques have matured greatly since then. Also,
> how
>>> do you know it was the specific technique you've been referring
> to?
>>> Even if given the same name, do you know if the teachers were from
>>> the same tradition? Telephone effect and all that...
>>
>> It's just an example from 1955 describing samadhi and using
> virtually
>> identical adjectives. Take it for what you will--the yogic
> tradition
>> has been familiar with these adjectives from experience for much
>> longer than 1955. It's just part of the way it is taught, when
> it's
>> taught fully. I liked Rick's example he gave of the guru M. took
> his
>> students to who exhibited the same state. M. admitted his students
>> could not do this. Still can't or I'm sure we'd see it being used
> to
>> market falling sales :-).
>>
>> Recent research has been even more provocative IMO. It's all
>> interesting.
>>
>
> You snipt the part in that study concerning accelerated heart rate
> and certainly NO mention was made of breath suspension. In that
> entire book, the only episodes of breath suspension mentioned inany
> study are for TM. This doesn't prove anything save that you were
> willing to snip out of context to try and prove your point, not that
> I am surprised, mind you...

Uh, the point wasn't breath suspension, it was about samadhi and  
"paralysis", etc. There are articles in there as well of people  
reducing breath considerably--even to the extent of being buried  
underground. Advanced meditators will often only breath once a  
minute, the breath gets that subtle.

Not that any of this is really important to the practitioners, it's  
not. If I am given the signs of a certain meditation practice, the  
last thing my teacher would ask for is an EEG or breath rate. If the  
signs arise, then practice is proceeding.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:25 PM, sparaig wrote:

> It sounds like a completely different form of meditation. TM and the
> breath suspension episodes during TC are generally associated with
> resting. In THIS study, "electrical activity during periods of
> complete immobility though their heart rates accelerated in almost
> perfect parallel with accelerations of their brain waves during
> moments of ecstasy."
>
> Can't comment on its relative effectiveness, but the metabolic
> effects sound different than TM, and there's no mention of breath
> suspension during the technique. Accelerated heart rate implies the
> exact opposite, in fact...

It's definitely not TM, it's obviously a more advanced meditation and  
not aimed at relaxation, at least in the same sense that TM. Ecstasy  
dozens of times more powerful than orgasm can be profoundly relaxing.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

2005-11-21 Thread bluecabbagerose

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own 
brand 
> of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I 
> have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he 
> had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and 
> reproduce it here.
>
=
So he said he didn't want to teach meditation. So he changed his 
mind. What's the big deal? People change their minds about lots of 
Major Life Event decisions they've made.

People marry and divorce and declare that they will never marry 
again. And then they go and get married. Again. And sometimes again.

Men go on Purusha declaring that they want to be life celibates and a 
year (or 10) later, they get married.

Politicians are infamous for saying they have no further political 
ambitions and then they go and throw their hats in the ring in a 
presidential race.

And I am sure that MMY has changed his mind a few times over the past 
30-40 years.

Flexibility (change) is a GOOD thing.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Happy Birthday, Peter!
> 
> I want everybody to take off early on Wednesday and
> have an extended weekend, in honor of Peter's
> birthday.
> 
> Also, those who like to fast on Thursdays should
> celebrate Peter's birthday by having a nice, big meal.
> And eat some good protein for a change. I think turkey
> would be a good choice.
> 
What a cool idea! It could be like giving thanks for Peter's 
birthday. Maybe we could come up with a name around that, so we 
could do the same every year? Suggestions?







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)

2005-11-21 Thread anonymousff

An addendum to the last note:

All of the information presented is about 10 years old, so it's not 
certain how much of it is still valid. However, 10 years ago, Dr. 
Simon said that they were using a puja, but not a guru puja. It 
might have been a puja to Lord Shiva or something like that. Dr. 
Simon would do the puja and Dr. Chopra would teach the meditation.

anon

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have 
> to say is redundant.
> 
> Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. 
> Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership 
since. 
> Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When 
> Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were 
> referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would 
> come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about 
$1000 
> back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them 
that 
> there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less 
and 
> give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo 
> national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going 
> against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing 
> that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and 
> would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers 
> who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full 
> price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop 
> their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the 
> tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra 
> chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called 
> what they were teaching "Primordial Sound". This was an 
interesting 
> coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching 
a "Primordial 
> Sound" technique when he was working under the auspices of the 
tmo. 
> On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon 
> responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving 
> the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it 
> certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt 
> about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy 
never 
> tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or 
> psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching 
through 
> MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more "ownership" or "authorship" of 
them 
> than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 
> primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So 
> something had changed, if not the name.
> 
> anon






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)

2005-11-21 Thread anonymousff

Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have 
to say is redundant.

Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. 
Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership since. 
Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When 
Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were 
referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would 
come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about $1000 
back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them that 
there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less and 
give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo 
national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going 
against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing 
that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and 
would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers 
who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full 
price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop 
their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the 
tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra 
chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called 
what they were teaching "Primordial Sound". This was an interesting 
coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching a "Primordial 
Sound" technique when he was working under the auspices of the tmo. 
On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon 
responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving 
the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it 
certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt 
about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy never 
tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or 
psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching through 
MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more "ownership" or "authorship" of them 
than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 
primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So 
something had changed, if not the name.

anon

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > What I find interesting about Chopra is that when he left the 
> Movement 
> > > he went down on record as saying: No, I don't want to compete 
> with 
> > > Maharishi and I'm not interested in teaching meditation.
> > > 
> > > Had he stuck to that, I would have had a lot of respect for 
the 
> guy.
> > 
> > Chopra's version is that he and MMY agreed he should work more
> > independently due to too much infighting coming from the inner
> > circlers against chopra plus Chopra would have more credibility
> > promoting ayurved if he was not directly employed and associated 
> with
> > the tmo.  Then a week later, bevan sends out the message to all
> > centers declaring chopra persona non grata within the tmo and
> > generally promoting all the spin and rumors against him.  Chopra
> > couldn't get MMY to rein in the negative campaigning so he felt 
> had no
> > responsibility to promote tmo's programs.
> >
> 
> I can certainly empathize with Chopra vis a vis his own programs 
and 
> whether or not the Movement -- and the Upper Snots -- acted like 
> pricks with him, which they probably did.  And I have no problem 
> with Chopra promoting, selling and making oodles of cash off of 
> those programs.
> 
> I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own 
brand 
> of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I 
> have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that 
he 
> had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and 
> reproduce it here.
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: [nhnenews] Pilgrims Flock To See Ram Bomjon, The 'Bud...

2005-11-21 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 11/21/05 1:18:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
PILGRIMS 
  FLOCK TO SEE 'BUDDHA BOY' SAID TO HAVE FASTED SIX MONTHSBy Thomas Bell in 
  Bara District, NepalThe Telegraph

Photograph of the boy available on The Drudge ReportDRUDGE REPORT 2005® 






To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'





  




  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I never heard someone claim that Maharishi said that he 
> promised 
> > never
> > > > to teach meditation and then turn around and do the exact 
> opposite.
> > > >
> > > > Chopra did.
> > > 
> > > He's not using the TM-puja style initiation is he? Nor is he 
> using 
> > TM- 
> > > style "checking" is he?
> > >
> > 
> > He's teaching meditation.
> > 
> > I don't know whether a puja is involved.  Yes, I think personal 
> > checking is.
> > 
> > Whatever.  I think he should stick to Ajuyveda and all that and 
> leave 
> > meditation alone.
> 
> As far as I know, Chopra does not teach TM - He do teach some kind 
> of meditation - but nothing similar to TM.
> Ingegerd
> >
>

At one point, a meditation teacher claiming to be associated with 
Chopra told a.m.t. readers that CHopra and 200 former TM teachers had 
pooled their knowledge to come up with a valid form of meditation. 
These days, Chopra claims he learned the meditation technique he 
teaches from "someone in India."

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Birthday

2005-11-21 Thread gullible fool

Happy Birthday, Peter!

I want everybody to take off early on Wednesday and
have an extended weekend, in honor of Peter's
birthday.

Also, those who like to fast on Thursdays should
celebrate Peter's birthday by having a nice, big meal.
And eat some good protein for a change. I think turkey
would be a good choice.

--- Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy
> Cow!
> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> 
> 
>   
> __ 
> Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in
> one click.
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
http://mail.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

2005-11-21 Thread Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > > I never heard someone claim that Maharishi said that he 
promised 
> never
> > > to teach meditation and then turn around and do the exact 
opposite.
> > >
> > > Chopra did.
> > 
> > He's not using the TM-puja style initiation is he? Nor is he 
using 
> TM- 
> > style "checking" is he?
> >
> 
> He's teaching meditation.
> 
> I don't know whether a puja is involved.  Yes, I think personal 
> checking is.
> 
> Whatever.  I think he should stick to Ajuyveda and all that and 
leave 
> meditation alone.

As far as I know, Chopra does not teach TM - He do teach some kind 
of meditation - but nothing similar to TM.
Ingegerd
>







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
[...]
> >>
> >> http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ITs really hard to generalize from an article from 1955. 
Scientific
> > apparatus and techniques have matured greatly since then. Also, 
how
> > do you know it was the specific technique you've been referring 
to?
> > Even if given the same name, do you know if the teachers were from
> > the same tradition? Telephone effect and all that...
> 
> It's just an example from 1955 describing samadhi and using 
virtually  
> identical adjectives. Take it for what you will--the yogic 
tradition  
> has been familiar with these adjectives from experience for much  
> longer than 1955. It's just part of the way it is taught, when 
it's  
> taught fully. I liked Rick's example he gave of the guru M. took 
his  
> students to who exhibited the same state. M. admitted his students  
> could not do this. Still can't or I'm sure we'd see it being used 
to  
> market falling sales :-).
> 
> Recent research has been even more provocative IMO. It's all  
> interesting.
>

You snipt the part in that study concerning accelerated heart rate 
and certainly NO mention was made of breath suspension. In that 
entire book, the only episodes of breath suspension mentioned inany 
study are for TM. This doesn't prove anything save that you were 
willing to snip out of context to try and prove your point, not that 
I am surprised, mind you...

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>> The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in
> >>> TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or
> >>> otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone 
is
> >>> truely paralyzed in your world BTW?
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best
> >>
> > way
> >
> >> to describe it.
> >>
> >
> > So, where's the peer reviewed research on the phenomenon?
> 
> Apparently there is and it's been going on a long time--since at  
> least 1955:
> 
> "The most accomplished among these seven subjects, moreover,  
> exhibited "progressive and very spectacular modifications" in 
their  
> EEG records during their deepest meditations, including recurrent  
> beta rhythms of 18-20 cycles per second in the Rolandic area of 
the  
> brain, a generalized fast activity of small amplitude as high as  
> 40-45 cycles per second with occasional amplitudes reaching 30 to 
50  
> microvolts, and the reappearance of slower alpha waves after 
samadhi,  
> or ecstasy, ended. In summarizing their study, Das and Gastaut  
> concluded that:
> 
> The modifications [we] recorded during very deep meditation are 
much  
> more dramatic than those known up till now, which leads us to 
suppose  
> that western subjects are far from being able to attain the yogi  
> state of mental concentration.
> 
> It is probable that this supreme concentration of attention . . . 
is  
> responsible for the perfect insensibility of the yogi during 
samadhi;  
> this insensibility, accompanied by immobility and pallor often led  
> people to describe this state as sleep, lethargy, anesthesia, or  
> coma. The electroencephalographic evidence here described 
contradicts  
> such opinions and suggests that a state of intense generalized  
> cortical stimulation is sufficient to explain such states without  
> having to invoke associated processes of diffuse or local 
inhibition  
> (Das and Gastaut, 1955)."
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm
>

It sounds like a completely different form of meditation. TM and the 
breath suspension episodes during TC are generally associated with 
resting. In THIS study, "electrical activity during periods of 
complete immobility though their heart rates accelerated in almost 
perfect parallel with accelerations of their brain waves during 
moments of ecstasy."

Can't comment on its relative effectiveness, but the metabolic 
effects sound different than TM, and there's no mention of breath 
suspension during the technique. Accelerated heart rate implies the 
exact opposite, in fact...






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, sparaig wrote:The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone is truely paralyzed in your world BTW? It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best way to describe it. So, where's the peer reviewed research on the phenomenon? Apparently there is and it's been going on a long time--since at least 1955: "The most accomplished among these seven subjects, moreover, exhibited "progressive and very spectacular modifications" in their EEG records during their deepest meditations, including recurrent beta rhythms of 18-20 cycles per second in the Rolandic area of the brain, a generalized fast activity of small amplitude as high as 40-45 cycles per second with occasional amplitudes reaching 30 to 50 microvolts, and the reappearance of slower alpha waves after samadhi, or ecstasy, ended. In summarizing their study, Das and Gastaut concluded that: The modifications [we] recorded during very deep meditation are much more dramatic than those known up till now, which leads us to suppose that western subjects are far from being able to attain the yogi state of mental concentration. It is probable that this supreme concentration of attention . . . is responsible for the perfect insensibility of the yogi during samadhi; this insensibility, accompanied by immobility and pallor often led people to describe this state as sleep, lethargy, anesthesia, or coma. The electroencephalographic evidence here described contradicts such opinions and suggests that a state of intense generalized cortical stimulation is sufficient to explain such states without having to invoke associated processes of diffuse or local inhibition (Das and Gastaut, 1955)."http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm ITs really hard to generalize from an article from 1955. Scientific apparatus and techniques have matured greatly since then. Also, how do you know it was the specific technique you've been referring to? Even if given the same name, do you know if the teachers were from the same tradition? Telephone effect and all that... It's just an example from 1955 describing samadhi and using virtually identical adjectives. Take it for what you will--the yogic tradition has been familiar with these adjectives from experience for much longer than 1955. It's just part of the way it is taught, when it's taught fully. I liked Rick's example he gave of the guru M. took his students to who exhibited the same state. M. admitted his students could not do this. Still can't or I'm sure we'd see it being used to market falling sales :-).Recent research has been even more provocative IMO. It's all interesting.

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>> The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in
> >>> TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or
> >>> otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone 
is
> >>> truely paralyzed in your world BTW?
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best
> >>
> > way
> >
> >> to describe it.
> >>
> >
> > So, where's the peer reviewed research on the phenomenon?
> 
> Apparently there is and it's been going on a long time--since at  
> least 1955:
> 
> "The most accomplished among these seven subjects, moreover,  
> exhibited "progressive and very spectacular modifications" in 
their  
> EEG records during their deepest meditations, including recurrent  
> beta rhythms of 18-20 cycles per second in the Rolandic area of 
the  
> brain, a generalized fast activity of small amplitude as high as  
> 40-45 cycles per second with occasional amplitudes reaching 30 to 
50  
> microvolts, and the reappearance of slower alpha waves after 
samadhi,  
> or ecstasy, ended. In summarizing their study, Das and Gastaut  
> concluded that:
> 
> The modifications [we] recorded during very deep meditation are 
much  
> more dramatic than those known up till now, which leads us to 
suppose  
> that western subjects are far from being able to attain the yogi  
> state of mental concentration.
> 
> It is probable that this supreme concentration of attention . . . 
is  
> responsible for the perfect insensibility of the yogi during 
samadhi;  
> this insensibility, accompanied by immobility and pallor often led  
> people to describe this state as sleep, lethargy, anesthesia, or  
> coma. The electroencephalographic evidence here described 
contradicts  
> such opinions and suggests that a state of intense generalized  
> cortical stimulation is sufficient to explain such states without  
> having to invoke associated processes of diffuse or local 
inhibition  
> (Das and Gastaut, 1955)."
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm
>

ITs really hard to generalize from an article from 1955. Scientific 
apparatus and techniques have matured greatly since then. Also, how 
do you know it was the specific technique you've been referring to? 
Even if given the same name, do you know if the teachers were from 
the same tradition? Telephone effect and all that...






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 11/21/05 12:11 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own brand
> > of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I
> > have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he
> > had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and
> > reproduce it here.
> 
> How do you know Maharishi didn't do the same thing? Some say he was 
involved
> with Ananda Marga as a student and that TM is an adaptation of that.
>

some say a lot of things. When was Anada Marga founded?

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: [nhnenews] Pilgrims Flock To See Ram Bomjon, The 'Buddha Boy'

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> PILGRIMS FLOCK TO SEE 'BUDDHA BOY' SAID TO HAVE
> FASTED SIX MONTHS
> By Thomas Bell in Bara District, Nepal
> The Telegraph
> November 21, 2005
> 
> Ram Bomjon is also sitting beneath a pipal tree, in
> the same posture as the
> Buddha is depicted, but his vigil has already taken
> longer.

Damn Kali Yuga! Everything takes longer. I remember,
back in the day, when all you had to do was think the
mantra once and that was it, BC. We used to get
enlightened by the truckload.

> 

__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, sparaig wrote: The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone is truely paralyzed in your world BTW? It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best way to describe it. So, where's the peer reviewed research on the phenomenon? Apparently there is and it's been going on a long time--since at least 1955:"The most accomplished among these seven subjects, moreover, exhibited "progressive and very spectacular modifications" in their EEG records during their deepest meditations, including recurrent beta rhythms of 18-20 cycles per second in the Rolandic area of the brain, a generalized fast activity of small amplitude as high as 40-45 cycles per second with occasional amplitudes reaching 30 to 50 microvolts, and the reappearance of slower alpha waves after samadhi, or ecstasy, ended. In summarizing their study, Das and Gastaut concluded that: The modifications [we] recorded during very deep meditation are much more dramatic than those known up till now, which leads us to suppose that western subjects are far from being able to attain the yogi state of mental concentration.It is probable that this supreme concentration of attention . . . is responsible for the perfect insensibility of the yogi during samadhi; this insensibility, accompanied by immobility and pallor often led people to describe this state as sleep, lethargy, anesthesia, or coma. The electroencephalographic evidence here described contradicts such opinions and suggests that a state of intense generalized cortical stimulation is sufficient to explain such states without having to invoke associated processes of diffuse or local inhibition (Das and Gastaut, 1955)."http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> 
> > > Thanks, Jim.  Michael's explanations are indeed
> > > extraordinary.
> > > 
> > > I wish he were around.  This piece *almost* convinces
> > > me that I'm Self-realized, but I'd really like to ask
> > > him about being overshadowed by the relative, which is
> > > my sole basis for saying I'm not Self-realized.
> > > 
> > > If my experience is that I'm overshadowed, how would
> > > Michael interpret that in terms of what he says in
> > > this piece?
> > 
> > You may be associating that peculiar unintegrated 'witnessing' 
> > phenomenon with Self realization. 
> > 
> > As an ardent seeker, when I first started TM and did a few 
> > residence courses, I remember this experience I would have of 
being 
> > clearly distant from what I was doing; witnessing activity. I 
felt 
> > so free, and it was such a relief to be briefly released from 
the 
> > strain of seeking that the witnessing experience made a deep 
> > impression on me as synonomous with self Realization.
> 
> Yes, I've had that experience...
> 
> > However, I see now that the experience I had previously of 
> > witnessing was not fully integrated; that my typical daily life 
> > experience of Self realization is quite normal- nothing 
remarkable 
> > in and of itself. And yet, if I choose to take a minute and 
sense 
> > where my Self is, within myself, it is easily found. Oddly, as 
that 
> > which is attributeless bliss...
> 
> ...but not this one.

Put another way, it is that sense that there is still someting there 
when we are sitting quietly, yet not thinking. To call 
it 'attributeless bliss' perhaps is distracting. it is just that 
sense of silence without thoughts that we sometimes experience when 
just sitting quietly, not thinking, not meditating. Does this sound 
like something you have experienced?
 
> (And in any case, Michael says what I've always 
> understood, that the Self isn't something that can
> be "found"; it can't be an object of perception.)
> 
> > And I am sure that you have the same experience.
> 
> Yes and no, as above.
> 
> I understand what you're saying about the contrast
> of "beginner" witnessing being characterized by a
> sense of relief because it's novel.  But I have
> trouble understanding how I could be in an "integrated"
> state of Self-realization and still be experiencing
> all the stuff the "beginning" witnessing relieved me
> *of*, if you see what I'm getting at.
> 
> In other words: I get that one wouldn't continue to
> feel a sense of relief once Self-realization has
> become customary.  But one would *not*, I should think,
> continue to feel bound.
> 
>  So, when Self 
> > realized, we don't feel any differently, it is just that life 
takes 
> > on an easier, more seamless quality. As Michael says in his 
piece, 
> > to paraphrase, we perform spontaneous right action (vs. strained 
> > right action).
> 
> Still feels "strained" to me.  That's part of what I
> mean by being overshadowed.
> 
> There's definitely been progress, but it still
> seems like there's quite a way to go.

OK. I think I understand. In order for the strain to not be there, 
there must be an acceptance of all...which is impossible to grasp 
intellectually. At least for me it always was, because I equated 
acceptance of all, with *liking* all, which I suspect is never the 
case...

So, once we can accept everything, the strain will begin to abate.


> > Hope this helps!
>






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > I never heard someone claim that Maharishi said that he promised 
never
> > to teach meditation and then turn around and do the exact opposite.
> >
> > Chopra did.
> 
> He's not using the TM-puja style initiation is he? Nor is he using 
TM- 
> style "checking" is he?
>

He's teaching meditation.

I don't know whether a puja is involved.  Yes, I think personal 
checking is.

Whatever.  I think he should stick to Ajuyveda and all that and leave 
meditation alone.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue



On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:I never heard someone claim that Maharishi said that he promised never  to teach meditation and then turn around and do the exact opposite.  Chopra did. He's not using the TM-puja style initiation is he? Nor is he using TM-style "checking" is he?





To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'





  




  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Birthday

On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Peter wrote:

> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.

Happy B-Day, Pete! Did you get that Hummer you wanted?

Forever Facing East,

Vaj

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 11/21/05 12:11 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own 
brand
> > of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I
> > have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he
> > had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and
> > reproduce it here.
> 
> How do you know Maharishi didn't do the same thing?

I never heard someone claim that Maharishi said that he promised never 
to teach meditation and then turn around and do the exact opposite.

Chopra did.

> Some say he was involved
> with Ananda Marga as a student and that TM is an adaptation of that.
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] FW: [nhnenews] Pilgrims Flock To See Ram Bomjon, The 'Buddha Boy'

PILGRIMS FLOCK TO SEE 'BUDDHA BOY' SAID TO HAVE FASTED SIX MONTHS
By Thomas Bell in Bara District, Nepal
The Telegraph
November 21, 2005

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/21/wbuddha21..x
m
l&sSheet=/portal/2005/11/21/ixportal.html

Thousands of pilgrims are pouring into the dense jungle of southern Nepal to
worship a 15-year-old boy who has been hailed as a new Buddha.

Devotees claim that Ram Bomjon, who is silently meditating beneath a tree,
has not eaten or drunk anything since he sat down at his chosen spot six
months ago.

Witnesses say they have seen light emanating from the teenager's forehead.

"It looks a bit like when you shine a torch through your hand," said Tek
Bahadur Lama, a member of the committee responsible for dealing with the
growing number of visitors from India and elsewhere in Nepal.

Photographs of Ram Bomjon, available for five rupees (4p) from his makeshift
shrine, have become ubiquitous across the region. "Far and wide, it's the
only topic of conversation," said Upendra Lamichami, a local journalist.

He said no allegation had yet emerged of Ram breaking his fast or moving,
even to relieve himself.

Santa Raj Subedi, the chief government official in Bara district, appealed
to the capital, Kathmandu, for assistance in dealing with the influx of
visitors, and for a team of scients to examine the case.

Local doctors failed to reach a final conclusion, although they were allowed
no closer than five yards from the boy mystic, declaring that they could
confirm no more than that he was alive.

The popularity of the phenomenon is partly because it resembles an episode
in the life of the historical Buddha, who was born 160 miles away around 543
BC. The Buddha achieved enlightenment when he meditated beneath a sacred
pipal tree for 49 days.

Ram Bomjon is also sitting beneath a pipal tree, in the same posture as the
Buddha is depicted, but his vigil has already taken longer.

Ram's mother, who is called Maya Devi, like the Buddha's mother, admits to
anxiety, particularly at meal times. But she tells herself: "God took him to
the forest and I have faith that God will feed him."

She said: "He's definitely got thinner. Early in the morning he looks
sunken, like there's no blood in him, but as the sun rises he seems to get
brighter and brighter."

The fervour increased last week when a snake is said to have bitten Ram, and
a curtain was drawn around him.

After five days it was opened and he spoke. "Tell the people not to call me
a Buddha. I don't have the Buddha's energy. I am at the level of rinpoche
[lesser divinity].

"A snake bit me but I do not need treatment. I need six years of deep
meditation."

Despite his protestations, "Buddha boy" is famous.

A thriving market has grown in the once pristine forest, supplying pilgrims
with everything from chewing tobacco and bicycle repairs to incense and
sacred amulets. The ground is covered in litter.

A fence was built around Ram's tree to prevent pilgrims prodding him, then a
second, and now a third is planned, as well as a bus park, leaving Ram at
the centre of an ever growing circle of rubbish.

Prakash Lamsal, a businessman said: "Some people are selling 2,500 rupees
[£20] worth of tea a day.

"These lamas [monks] are going to build mansions out of this. If I wasn't a
bit embarrassed I'd take a van down there and set up a stall."



NHNE News List:

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi is Hanuman - Frank Lotz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rusty, red hair? Long time purusha? Sports nut? what's
> he up to now? We were buddies on Gov training and
> purusha.

You are thinking of Rusty Holeman.
I did have very red hair though and was not on Purusha.
I was on a course with Rusty Holeman for awhile, I did Gov. training fall/75 to 
spring/76.

Hari Om Tat Sat

Hanuman


> 
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, Maharish cannot be Hanuman as my old friend,
> > Russell (Rusty)
> > Hoffman is now Hanuman Hoffman.  They'll have to
> > fight over it in court.
> > 
> > 
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > 
> >   
> > > From: "frank lotz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > >   Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:21:49 +0100 (CET)
> > >   Subject:  Regarding Bhakti
> > >   
> > > 
> > > How dear to the hearth of everyone from us
> > our Hanumanjie is! 
> > >  Once  I had an experience, it was in
> > spring 1973 in
> > Interlaken,  Switzerland.  I was walking behind
> > Maharishi (at that
> > time I was  potwasher in the  movement, still I am a
> > potwasher) and
> > suddenly I saw behind Maharishi's  back a tail
> > coming out.  I was
> > shocked and a bid afraid.
> > > At this time I had no knowledge about dear
> > Râm or who
> > Hanuman-jie was or is! 
> > >Now, I believe and know it really Maharishi
> > is
> > Shiva/Hanuman-jie Incarnate.
> > >All Glory to the Bhakti of Shri Hanumanjie.
> > >My He guide always and forever Maharishi's
> > Movement
> > > Hari Bol
> > >  
> > > Hari Râm Hari Gopala Hari
> > > My dear sweet Lord
> > >   
> > >Frank lotz
> > >[Governor of Enlightenment]
> > >   
> > > 
> > >  
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > -
> > >  Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites
> > in one click.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > ~--> 
> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> > Yahoo! your home page
> >
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
> >
> ~->
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Or go to: 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> > and click 'Join This Group!' 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> __ 
> Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Misconceptions... Hanuman... Monkey..NOT

Jaya Guru Datta

Through Sadguru's grace, my wife and I were privileged to write and edit "The 
Life and 
Mission of Hanuman" from discourses by Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji, 
Avadhuta 
Dattapeetha. (Available through www.dycusa.org)
It is an amazing story unfolding the metaphorical correlation of the Devas to 
the physical 
form. From the intitial impulse of energy, through critical events during Lord 
Rama's 
eleven thousand year reign. (There are many other stories from other yugas and 
adventures told but not published yet)

I would like to attempt to allay some commonly held misconceptions about 
Hanuman.

One misconception is that Hanuman was a Monkey. Hanuman was of the race of 
Vanaras. 
Very intelligent beings who looked like monkeys. He had a human-like body with 
the head 
of an ape.

Hanu= as in large jaw. Just after Anjaneya (son of Anjana Devi) was born he 
thought the 
Sun was a tasty fruit and leapt to consume it. Rahu saw this and was very 
perturbed that 
someone else was taking his job. Rahu dashes to Indra the Lord of Heaven 
complaining 
about this. Indra intercepts Anjaneya on the face with his vajra-astra (diamond 
hard 
thunderbolt) hence comes the name. When Anjaneya falls to the earth 
unconscious, Vayu 
(his father) sweeps him off and becomes furious and withholds all breath from 
creation. 
One thing leads to another

In Dvapara Yuga, during Mahabharata war, there were only three (trinity) 
witnesses to the 
goings on between Lord Krishna and Arjuna in that great chariot.
Sage Vyasa, 
Sanjaya (who had been given the gift to see by Vyasa in order to tell King 
Dhritarasta real 
time events of the war) 
and Hanuman, who was guarding Arjuna on his flag.

Hanuman served Lord Dattatreya in order that he could find his master Lord Rama.


The following links provide some other background stories from Trinidad where 
85ft tall 
Hanuman was constructed and consecrated in 2003 through the sankalpam of Sri 
Swamiji.

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2002/trinidad/trinidad_speeches_apr_02.htm

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2003/nada_prasara_2003/
trinidad_pratishthe/frontpage/front_page.html

"Atma is Rama, Buddhi is Seeta and Hanuman is Prana. According to Yoga, 
HanumanÕs 
power i.e. breath power creates mental strength in order to have powerful 
determination. 
It requires you to meditate for half hour, sing Bhajans, practice quietness. 
According to 
Adhyatma Ramayana, the whole human body is the forest. The nerves represent the 
rivers 
and streams. Rama is the soul. Seeta is the intellectual power. Breath is 
Hanuman. The 
temple is the body. The more you get inward, Ganapati, Shiva, they all become 
alive. You 
have to find the truth in this lifetime itself through understanding and 
patience."

Sri Guru Datta








 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Message from The Ashtar Command

2005-11-21 Thread Blue Star

From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/ Sunday December 4th 2005 Listen Online 11AM Est-8 AM Pst Michael and Aurora Ellegion
Well known authorities on space phenomena, Michael and Aurora Ellegion have lectured to vast audiences on extensive UFO information. As the International Directors of the Extra-Terrestrial Communications Network and formerly Directors of the National Investigations Committee on UFOs, the Ellegions have worked with interesting people from all walks of life, including scientists, pilots, engineers, retired military, government and NASA personnel, many who have been privy to top-secret information and have shared this information with the Ellegions, believing the suppression of this information to be part of a "Conspiracy of Silence" To listen to The Cosmic Eye Radio Show dedicated to The Ashtar Command go to this link http://.wesufm.org/ or click on The Cosmic Eye banner above every Sunday 11am EST, and then click Ralaudio, Media player, Winamp, or for Apple users, Itunes to listen to the program live. Our show can be heard around the planet with ambient spiritual space music, space ship news, interviews, messages from The Ashtar Command, and call ins from around the planet. Tune in, turn on, space out. Blessings in the Light of The Most radiant One Adonai Commander Aleon Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Birthday

2005-11-21 Thread Sal Sunshine

Happy B-day.  May you have at least 52 more.

Sal


On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Peter wrote:

Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
 I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

on 11/21/05 12:11 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own brand
> of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I
> have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he
> had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and
> reproduce it here.

How do you know Maharishi didn't do the same thing? Some say he was involved
with Ananda Marga as a student and that TM is an adaptation of that.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

2005-11-21 Thread scienceofabundance

Just checked in to see what was going on.  Happy Birthday, Peter. May 
the next 32 years be better than you could possibly imagine.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> 
> 
>   
> __ 
> Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
> http://farechase.yahoo.com
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

RE: [FairfieldLife] Birthday

2005-11-21 Thread Paula Youmans

Happy Happy B-day!!
32 years is a long damn time…does it make you sing or cringe?

May they be filled with joy and wonder ☺

~Paula 
 



Subject: [FairfieldLife] Birthday

Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?



On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:15 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:  I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't describing turiya makes no sense.  You seem to be confusing the fourth pranayama with turiya. The fourth pranayama is not taught in TM.    In that case, everything else you've said in your exchange with me was a non sequitur. All those insults, gone to waste... LOL, whatever Judy...





To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'





  




  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Birthday

It's also Denyce Rusch's birthday. Have a good one. How do you know you're
going to die when you're 84? Your next breath could be your last. Or you
could live to 150. Besides, I thought you already died.

on 11/21/05 11:30 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:

> > If my experience is that I'm overshadowed, how would
> > Michael interpret that in terms of what he says in
> > this piece?
> >
> 
> MMY speaks of "mature" vs [one assumes] "immature" Cosmic 
> Consciousness.My take: Just because you might be walking on a 
> plateau doesn't mean that there aren't valleys and peaks there. 
> They aren't as big a deal to climb as the original ascent was, but 
> you don't remember how tough that climb was, only that you were 
> climbing...
> 
> Having said all that, why worry about it anyway?

I don't, unless somebody insists I'm Self-realized
but just don't want to acknowledge it.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:

> > I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an
> > integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in
> > meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't
> > describing turiya makes no sense.
> 
> You seem to be confusing the fourth pranayama with turiya. The
> fourth pranayama is not taught in TM.

  In that case, everything else you've
said in your exchange with me was a non sequitur.
All those insults, gone to waste...

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2Nov2005 Press Conference

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Nov/wnews_02nov2005prt1_128
> 
> One hour, 28 mins: 
> [in the Satyuga] lawyers will no longer be required to lie on behalf 
> of their clients
>

It's my understanding that at least in the United States lawyers are 
NOT permitted -- by both law and by professional canons -- to lie on 
behalf of their clients.  They are required to ZEALOUSLY defend their 
clients which is quite different from lying on their behalf.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Man Who Sold the War



Thanks!On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:05 PM, gds444 wrote:Hi Vaj,  I read this article on Friday. It's absolutely frightening and stunning that he would be so open and non-chalant about his role in past wars and propaganda.   If you'd like more info on the Rendon Group, check out PR Watch's site - www.prwatch.org I did a quick search for Rendon Group - http://www.prwatch.org/search/node/rendon - they send out a weekly newsletter, it's worth signing up for.  If you go to The Rendon Group's website - www.rendon.com - you'll notice that they use the same world map as Project For a New American Century. Coincidence?  Best, Gary 





To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'








  
  
SPONSORED LINKS
  
  
  

Maharishi university of management
  
  
Maharishi mahesh yogi
  
  
Ramana maharshi
  
  

   
  







  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

Judy Stein writes:--snipped
Thanks, Jim.  Michael's explanations are indeed
extraordinary.

I wish he were around.  This piece *almost* convinces
me that I'm Self-realized, but I'd really like to ask
him about being overshadowed by the relative, which is
my sole basis for saying I'm not Self-realized.

Tom T comments:
Michael is very perceptive and I was privileged to have participated
in Satsang with him. My comment would be that any expectation that we
have about Self Realization is just another idea that gets in the way
of realizing who we are. It is my experience that the relative remains
the relative and one can feel over shadowed but on close examination
that is just another lie we till ourselves. To believe that over
shadowing goes away at all times is just another idea that may or may
not be true. Maybe some self inquiry about this over shadowing could
be useful. Enjoy Tom







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: From Hog Farmer to Hanuman

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry, Maharish cannot be Hanuman as my old friend, Russell (Rusty)
> Hoffman is now Hanuman Hoffman.  They'll have to fight over it in court.

Jaya Guru Datta

This is not a name I picked for myself.
I have included a short narrative of how I came to acquire this name. It is a 
clipping of a 
short story I just wrote called "From Hog Farmer to Hanuman...or how Sri 
Ganapathi 
Sachchidananda Swamiji Came Into My Life." 

I had just made my pilgrimage to Rameshwaram and I had gone to Avadhuta 
Dattapeetham in Mysore, India when

"I had felt for some time that the nickname that my loving parents had given me 
was 
finished business, and I no longer wished to be identified with it.  I knew 
that only Sri 
Swamiji could clearly see the sound associated with this life form.  So a few 
days before 
Shivaratri, I had the opportunity while in the darshan line to present the 
question to Him.  I 
stopped and asked, ÒSwamiji, can you please tell me who you see standing here?Ó 
 He 
asked, ÒYou want name?Ó  As I affirmed, He close his eyes and turned His head 
to the side 
for about 10 seconds then looked at me saying, ÒHANUMAN!Ó I walked away dizzy 
in bliss 
knowing that with this new name, I had just been given a new life."

Each day's aspiration of the qualities the weight of this name carries brings 
greater depth 
of inquiry.

Sri Guru Datta
Jai Jai Ram Sita Ram!

Hanuman

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > What I find interesting about Chopra is that when he left the 
Movement 
> > he went down on record as saying: No, I don't want to compete 
with 
> > Maharishi and I'm not interested in teaching meditation.
> > 
> > Had he stuck to that, I would have had a lot of respect for the 
guy.
> 
> Chopra's version is that he and MMY agreed he should work more
> independently due to too much infighting coming from the inner
> circlers against chopra plus Chopra would have more credibility
> promoting ayurved if he was not directly employed and associated 
with
> the tmo.  Then a week later, bevan sends out the message to all
> centers declaring chopra persona non grata within the tmo and
> generally promoting all the spin and rumors against him.  Chopra
> couldn't get MMY to rein in the negative campaigning so he felt 
had no
> responsibility to promote tmo's programs.
>

I can certainly empathize with Chopra vis a vis his own programs and 
whether or not the Movement -- and the Upper Snots -- acted like 
pricks with him, which they probably did.  And I have no problem 
with Chopra promoting, selling and making oodles of cash off of 
those programs.

I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own brand 
of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I 
have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he 
had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and 
reproduce it here.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[...]
> I have been in the inner circle. My conclusions? It is
> perfectly empty.
> 

"and that hollowness is the source of the entire tree..."





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy
> Cow!
> > I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> > 
> Happy Birthday Peter!!
> How did you find out about the remaining 32 years?
> Intuition, or did 
> someone tell you that?

Intution. Can't wait!

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click
> and talk back!
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Man Who Sold the War

2005-11-21 Thread gds444

Hi Vaj,

I read this article on Friday. It's absolutely frightening and
stunning that he would be so open and non-chalant about his role in
past wars and propaganda. 

If you'd like more info on the Rendon Group, check out PR Watch's site
- www.prwatch.org I did a quick search for Rendon Group -
http://www.prwatch.org/search/node/rendon - they send out a weekly
newsletter, it's worth signing up for.

If you go to The Rendon Group's website - www.rendon.com - you'll
notice that they use the same world map as Project For a New American
Century. Coincidence?

Best,
Gary

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Man Who Sold the War
> 
> "Who is the Rendon Group? Well, you've probably only heard of them if  
> you're a genuine weirdo, because they try to keep a low profile.  
> That's because they're probably the world's greatest propaganda  
> artists. While ostensibly 'private,' they make tens of millions of  
> dollars on U.S. government contracts to sell wars."
> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/8798997
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> 
> "Things are not as they seem,
>  nor are they otherwise"
>  --a Buddhist Sutra
>

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

2005-11-21 Thread cardemaister

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Here's a part of Vyaasa's commentary on YS II 51
> > (baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH [praaNaayaamaH])
> > 
> > caturthastu shvaasa-prashvaasayor
> > viSayaavadhaaraNaat krameNa bhuumijayaad ubhayaakSepa-puurvako
> > gatyabhaavash caturthaH praaNaayaamaH ityayaM visheSa iti |
> > 
> > We should think that the most crucial words, as it were,
> > are these:
> > 
> > caturthas tu shvaasa-prashvaasayor...gatyabhaavash
> > 
> > which might be translated for instance like this:
> > 
> > the fourth (pranayama) [is] stopping(? -- gati + a_bhaavas:
> > motion -non-existence) of exhalation[and]-inhalation (shvaasa-
> > prashvaasayoH)
> > 
> > But it all depends on whether "stopping" or somesuch is a correct
> > translation for "gatyabhaavaH" [gati + abhaavaH] in that 
context...
> >
> 
> Suspending, as in "spontaneous breath suspension?"

Yes, in my *opinion* it's exactly that...

> 
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
> cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7045911&query_hl=2
> 
> : Psychosom Med. 1982 May;44(2):133-53. Related Articles, Links  
> 
> 
> Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique.
> 
> Farrow JT, Hebert JR.
> 
> We observed, over four independent experiments, 565 criterion-
meeting 
> episodes of breath suspension in 40 subjects practicing the 
> Transcendental Mediation technique (TM), a simple mental technique 
> involving no breath control procedures. The frequency and length of 
> these breath suspension episodes were substantially and 
significantly 
> greater for TM subjects than for control subjects relaxing with 
eyes 
> closed. Voluntary control of respiration was most probably 
eliminated 
> as an explanation of ths phenomenon by the experimental design and 
by 
> the use of a variety of nonintrusive respiration transducers, 
> including a two-channel magnetometer, an indirect but accurate 
means 
> of monitoring respiration. Many TM subjects report experience of a 
> completely quiescent mental state characterized by maintained 
> awareness in the absence of thought. Eleven TM subjects were 
> instructed to press an event mark button after each episode of this 
> pure consciousness experience. The temporal distribution of button 
> presses was significantly related (p less than 10(-10) to the 
> distribution of breath suspension episodes, indicating that breath 
> suspension is a physiological correlate of some, but not all, 
> episodes of the pure consciousness experience. In an extensive 
study 
> of a single advanced mediator, pure consciousness experiences were 
> also associated with reduced heart rate; high basal skin 
resistance; 
> stable phasic skin resistance; markedly reduced mean respiration 
> rate, mean minute ventilation and mean metabolic rate; and 
> statistically consistent changes in EEG power and EEG coherence (an 
> indicator of long-range spatial order in the nervous system).
>







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy
> Cow!
> > I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> 
> Grats and why only 32 years left?

I'm leaving at 84. April 23rd to be exact.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
http://mail.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy Stein writes:
> No, I'm not assuming that.  But if you're referring
> to entering turiya, then "paralysis," as noted, doesn't
> make any sense.  In turiya, there is no awareness *of*
> anything but awareness itself.  Turiya is not object-
> oriented consciousness; there are no objects of
> perception (subjective, as of paralysis, or objective)
> in turiya.
> 
> I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an
> integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in
> meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't
> describing turiya makes no sense.
> 
> Tom T writes:
> It has been my experience that the beginning stages of witnessing
> were that of paralysis. Not only was there paralysis but there was
> knowledge that I was trapped inside this body and a good deal of 
> fear.

But that wouldn't be turiya.  (And you're talking only
about witnessing during sleep, right?)



> There was enough fear at the beginning to awaken in a cold sweat.  
As
> I became accustomed to this awareness of awareness the fear stopped
> and the understanding became clear that I was wide awake inside but
> had zero connection to the outside world. Gradually the awareness 
grew
> to include the outside world and encompass it and then it became 
clear
> that awareness does not need the senses to know beyond the body.  
Then
> I could be awake inside and watch dreams start, run their course and
> then stop and still I was wide awake inside totally sitting in the
> darkness and silence. It no longer mattered whether the conventional
> senses worked because the awareness was larger than this body. The
> most common awareness was that of the same old bedroom, the same old
> bed and the same old guy lying on the bed snoring his brains out. 
This
> gradually led to the ramping down of the bedroom and allowing that 
to
> be like background noise that is just there and doesn't need any
> attending to. After a longer period I have realized that the 
awareness
> has encompassed a fairly large amount of creation and that also just
> runs in the background like music in the background. There but not
> demanding all my attention. Tom
>







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> > > Infantile crap...A waste...
> > >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > At least I took out all the extra blank lines before I responded 
with 
> > one line...
> >
> 
> As I said.Infantile one-up-manship.
>

Yep, unlike your response, which is *mature* one-up-manship...

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:

> > Thanks, Jim.  Michael's explanations are indeed
> > extraordinary.
> > 
> > I wish he were around.  This piece *almost* convinces
> > me that I'm Self-realized, but I'd really like to ask
> > him about being overshadowed by the relative, which is
> > my sole basis for saying I'm not Self-realized.
> > 
> > If my experience is that I'm overshadowed, how would
> > Michael interpret that in terms of what he says in
> > this piece?
> 
> You may be associating that peculiar unintegrated 'witnessing' 
> phenomenon with Self realization. 
> 
> As an ardent seeker, when I first started TM and did a few 
> residence courses, I remember this experience I would have of being 
> clearly distant from what I was doing; witnessing activity. I felt 
> so free, and it was such a relief to be briefly released from the 
> strain of seeking that the witnessing experience made a deep 
> impression on me as synonomous with self Realization.

Yes, I've had that experience...

> However, I see now that the experience I had previously of 
> witnessing was not fully integrated; that my typical daily life 
> experience of Self realization is quite normal- nothing remarkable 
> in and of itself. And yet, if I choose to take a minute and sense 
> where my Self is, within myself, it is easily found. Oddly, as that 
> which is attributeless bliss...

...but not this one.

(And in any case, Michael says what I've always 
understood, that the Self isn't something that can
be "found"; it can't be an object of perception.)

> And I am sure that you have the same experience.

Yes and no, as above.

I understand what you're saying about the contrast
of "beginner" witnessing being characterized by a
sense of relief because it's novel.  But I have
trouble understanding how I could be in an "integrated"
state of Self-realization and still be experiencing
all the stuff the "beginning" witnessing relieved me
*of*, if you see what I'm getting at.

In other words: I get that one wouldn't continue to
feel a sense of relief once Self-realization has
become customary.  But one would *not*, I should think,
continue to feel bound.

 So, when Self 
> realized, we don't feel any differently, it is just that life takes 
> on an easier, more seamless quality. As Michael says in his piece, 
> to paraphrase, we perform spontaneous right action (vs. strained 
> right action).

Still feels "strained" to me.  That's part of what I
mean by being overshadowed.

There's definitely been progress, but it still
seems like there's quite a way to go.

> Hope this helps!

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?



On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:42 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:42 AM, sparaig wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Nov 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:  [...]  I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't describing turiya makes no sense.   You seem to be confusing the fourth pranayama with turiya. The  fourth  pranayama is not taught in TM.True, but perhaps it can be interpreted that the "fourth  pranayama" converges to what TMers call "transcendental consciousness" since  the description of "Breath suspension" during TM's "pure  consciousness" state seems to be identical to descriptions of the fourth  pranayama.  That experience is a helpful prerequisite for learning the fourth   pranayama.   So what does it mean when people "witness" in the TM sense for years  on end? Attachment to an idea of enlightenment which ego is glad to provide. Go tell all your friends.





To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'





  




  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- brahmachari108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "brahmachari108" 
> > > > Infantile crap...A waste...
> > > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > At least I took out all the extra blank lines
> > before I responded with 
> > > one line...
> > >
> > 
> > As I said.Infantile one-up-manship.
> 
> 
> And the above post is not?
>

I freely admit that I am more immature than brahmachari108.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Symptoms of Bird flu

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
> 6. An irresistible urge to crap on someone's windshield.
>

so that's what thats about...

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.

Grats and why only 32 years left?

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > 
> > To be aware of someone like Maharishi, where such
> > snap judgements 
> > are impossible, is refreshing.
> 
> It stops the mind from positioning one's self in
> relation to MMY with a story about how "bad" or how
> "good" he is. For most of us these judgments have no
> practical impact because we have no day-to-day
> realtionship with MMY. If one was in daily contact
> with MMY it would be a lot more interesting.
> 

Longer term for "stressful."







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:42 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:
> >>
> > [...]
> >
> >>> I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an
> >>> integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in
> >>> meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't
> >>> describing turiya makes no sense.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You seem to be confusing the fourth pranayama with turiya. The
> >>
> > fourth
> >
> >> pranayama is not taught in TM.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > True, but perhaps it can be interpreted that the "fourth 
pranayama"
> > converges to what TMers call "transcendental consciousness" since 
the
> > description of "Breath suspension" during TM's "pure 
consciousness"
> > state seems to be identical to descriptions of the fourth 
pranayama.
> 
> That experience is a helpful prerequisite for learning the fourth  
> pranayama.
>

So what does it mean when people "witness" in the TM sense for years 
on end?







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hanuman

I am curious who these people are that say they were (are) my friends.
If you care to, let me know please ping me on the side, otherwise I will 
respect your desire 
for anonymity.
Thanks!

Hanuman



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry, Maharish cannot be Hanuman as my old friend, Russell (Rusty)
> Hoffman is now Hanuman Hoffman.  They'll have to fight over it in court.
> 
> 
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
>   
> > From: "frank lotz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> >   Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:21:49 +0100 (CET)
> >   Subject:  Regarding Bhakti
> >   
> > 
> > How dear to the hearth of everyone from us our Hanumanjie is! 
> >  Once  I had an experience, it was in spring 1973 in
> Interlaken,  Switzerland.  I was walking behind Maharishi (at that
> time I was  potwasher in the  movement, still I am a potwasher) and
> suddenly I saw behind Maharishi's  back a tail coming out.  I was
> shocked and a bid afraid.
> > At this time I had no knowledge about dear Râm or who
> Hanuman-jie was or is! 
> >Now, I believe and know it really Maharishi is
> Shiva/Hanuman-jie Incarnate.
> >All Glory to the Bhakti of Shri Hanumanjie.
> >My He guide always and forever Maharishi's Movement
> > Hari Bol
> >  
> > Hari Râm Hari Gopala Hari
> > My dear sweet Lord
> >   
> >Frank lotz
> >[Governor of Enlightenment]
> >   
> > 
> >  
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -
> >  Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
> >
>






 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> >>>
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>   I heard that Maharishi's nephews fight
> 
> >> among themselves for the
> >>
> >>> share of the Looting.  My TM-initiator told me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Why would he do that? Sounds unprofessional to
> >>>
> >> gossip with students...
> >>
> >> So tm leaders should not have guarenteed at least 10
> >> times over the
> >> past 3 years that pundits are imminently arriving in
> >> ffl when it was
> >> nothing but gossip?  Most everything about the tmo,
> >> esp finances, is
> >> gossip or unconfirmable.  True, questions about the
> >> tmo are also often
> >> gossip or unconfirmable because that the nature of
> >> the secretive
> >> beast.  You have to take what info you can get,
> >> preferably from people
> >> who've actually been in the inner circles,
> >> preferably from people
> >> living in the reality-based world, and use your
> >> judgement to come to
> >> conclusions.  For those of us who actually became tm
> >> professionals and
> >> devoted years of our life to tmo projects and the
> >> consciousness
> >> experiment that is fairfield, we have a legitimate
> >> professional
> >> interest to investigate what's really going on.
> >>
> >
> > I have been in the inner circle. My conclusions? It is
> > perfectly empty.
> 
> Then why the lack of transparency?
>
Must be empty of light also...





 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
> I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.
> 
Happy Birthday Peter!!
How did you find out about the remaining 32 years? Intuition, or did 
someone tell you that?

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I was going to say that very exact thing regarding MMY saying that 
he only
> wanted to speak to certain people 
> 
> that "understand" him!! I was very much wondering why he thought 
anyone
> understands him.truly I mean. 
> 
I find Maharishi to be an enigma, personified. Sometimes I will have 
a glimpse into what I think part of his 'strategy' is. However I 
refrain these days from saying he is like this or that, doing this 
or that. 

One valuable lesson I have learned from Maharishi's actions is to 
always be open to a certain level of change in my life- not to be so 
quick to nail stuff down. It is a busy modern world we live in and 
the propensity for many of us is to make quick judgements about 
stuff so that we can securely file it away and move on to the next 
thing.

To be aware of someone like Maharishi, where such snap judgements 
are impossible, is refreshing.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue

On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Peter wrote: --- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I heard that Maharishi's nephews fight among themselves for the share of the Looting. My TM-initiator told me. Why would he do that? Sounds unprofessional to gossip with students... So tm leaders should not have guarenteed at least 10 times over the past 3 years that pundits are imminently arriving in ffl when it was nothing but gossip? Most everything about the tmo, esp finances, is gossip or unconfirmable. True, questions about the tmo are also often gossip or unconfirmable because that the nature of the secretive beast. You have to take what info you can get, preferably from people who've actually been in the inner circles, preferably from people living in the reality-based world, and use your judgement to come to conclusions. For those of us who actually became tm professionals and devoted years of our life to tmo projects and the consciousness experiment that is fairfield, we have a legitimate professional interest to investigate what's really going on. I have been in the inner circle. My conclusions? It is perfectly empty. Then why the lack of transparency?

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may be more enlightened than you think..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I was looking at archived files and found this one pretty quickly.
> I decided to post it again for everyone's enjoyment. It can be 
> found in the Files/FFLIndex.html section, or as message 4002, from 
> Michael Dean Goodman. I have copied a [lengthy] excerpt from that 
> message. Normally I wouldn't copy something so long, but this 
> writing is extraordinary in its simplicity and clarity:

Thanks, Jim.  Michael's explanations are indeed
extraordinary.

I wish he were around.  This piece *almost* convinces
me that I'm Self-realized, but I'd really like to ask
him about being overshadowed by the relative, which is
my sole basis for saying I'm not Self-realized.

If my experience is that I'm overshadowed, how would
Michael interpret that in terms of what he says in
this piece?

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi is Hanuman - Frank Lotz

2005-11-21 Thread brahmachari108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry, Maharish cannot be Hanuman as my old friend, Russell (Rusty)
> Hoffman is now Hanuman Hoffman.  They'll have to fight over it in court.
> 
> 
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip

Formerly known as Rusty Hoffman, knew him then..I did.
Puts forth good referencing posts here..Hanuman does.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Birthday

Todays my birthday. I was born 52 years ago. Holy Cow!
I've got 32 years left and then off to a new body.



__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com


 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Symptoms of Bird flu

2005-11-21 Thread MDixon6569






 





To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'








  
  
SPONSORED LINKS
  
  
  

Maharishi university of management
  
  
Maharishi mahesh yogi
  
  
Ramana maharshi
  
  

   
  







  
  
  YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS



   Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. 
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



  







--- Begin Message ---



 
--- Begin Message ---

Subject: CDA Release: Symptoms of the Bird Flu

The Center for Disease Control has released a list of
symptoms of bird flu. If you experience any of the
following, please seek medical treatment immediately:

1. High fever
2. Congestion
3. Nausea
4. Fatigue
5. Aching in the joints
6. An irresistible urge to crap on someone's windshield. 




--- End Message ---
--- End Message ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue



--- markmeredith2002 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  I heard that Maharishi's nephews fight
> among themselves for the 
> > share of the Looting.  My TM-initiator told me.
> > 
> > 
> > Why would he do that? Sounds unprofessional to
> gossip with students...
> 
> So tm leaders should not have guarenteed at least 10
> times over the
> past 3 years that pundits are imminently arriving in
> ffl when it was
> nothing but gossip?  Most everything about the tmo,
> esp finances, is
> gossip or unconfirmable.  True, questions about the
> tmo are also often
> gossip or unconfirmable because that the nature of
> the secretive
> beast.  You have to take what info you can get,
> preferably from people
> who've actually been in the inner circles,
> preferably from people
> living in the reality-based world, and use your
> judgement to come to
> conclusions.  For those of us who actually became tm
> professionals and
> devoted years of our life to tmo projects and the
> consciousness
> experiment that is fairfield, we have a legitimate
> professional
> interest to investigate what's really going on.

I have been in the inner circle. My conclusions? It is
perfectly empty.





> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 




__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com


 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: My generic response

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From now on, assume this if I don't respond to a post. Feel free to 
> refer to this if you need to respond in kind, or you can use the URL 
> below to save bandwidth (its a few bytes shorter than referring to 
the 
> URL of this FFL article):
> 
> http://pdwalker.net/documents/ultimateInsult/
>

Btw, I don't mind your one-liners at all. In the ever greater scheme 
of things, what does it matter? Particularly as bandwidth gets ever 
cheaper... please, post away...

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- brahmachari108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "brahmachari108" 
> > > Infantile crap...A waste...
> > >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > At least I took out all the extra blank lines
> before I responded with 
> > one line...
> >
> 
> As I said.Infantile one-up-manship.

And the above post is not?

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
http://mail.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Donahue



--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "markmeredith2002" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason
> Spock 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  I heard that Maharishi's nephews fight
> among themselves 
> for the 
> > > share of the Looting.  My TM-initiator told me.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why would he do that? Sounds unprofessional to
> gossip with 
> students...
> > 
> > So tm leaders should not have guarenteed at least
> 10 times over the
> > past 3 years that pundits are imminently arriving
> in ffl when it was
> > nothing but gossip? 
> 
> They either really thought that or were told to say
> it. Not the same 
> as gossip around the dinner table...
> 
> And I've seen more than one account of the same
> "inner circle" 
> meeting from two or more people. Hell, something as
> simple as talking 
> to someone you never met before can be remembered
> differently by 
> different people. In one case, *I* was the person
> talking to theother 
> person, and I couldn't ID him to the police while
> other people who 
> didn't talk to him at all did. The TV cameras backed
> them up later on.
> 
> True, I'm a total space cadet, but the point is
> valid: eyewitness 
> accounts, especially in emotional situations, are
> never to be trusted 
> if you have a choice. If you're angry about the
> person you're 
> remembering things about, you'll probably remember
> them differently 
> than if you are infatuated/in-love/worshipful about
> them.

Hey, don't feel bad. I've told a story before only to
have my wife tell me that it didn't happen to me, but
to her. Is that a UC experience ;-)




> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 





__ 
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
http://mail.yahoo.com


 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> 
> To be aware of someone like Maharishi, where such
> snap judgements 
> are impossible, is refreshing.

It stops the mind from positioning one's self in
relation to MMY with a story about how "bad" or how
"good" he is. For most of us these judgments have no
practical impact because we have no day-to-day
realtionship with MMY. If one was in daily contact
with MMY it would be a lot more interesting.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] My generic response

Good one!

--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From now on, assume this if I don't respond to a
> post. Feel free to 
> refer to this if you need to respond in kind, or you
> can use the URL 
> below to save bandwidth (its a few bytes shorter
> than referring to the 
> URL of this FFL article):
> 
> http://pdwalker.net/documents/ultimateInsult/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> ~--> 
> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make
> Yahoo! your home page
>
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
>
~->
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 

__ 
Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
http://farechase.yahoo.com

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-21 Thread brahmachari108

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> > Infantile crap...A waste...
> >
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At least I took out all the extra blank lines before I responded with 
> one line...
>

As I said.Infantile one-up-manship.

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

Judy Stein writes:
No, I'm not assuming that.  But if you're referring
to entering turiya, then "paralysis," as noted, doesn't
make any sense.  In turiya, there is no awareness *of*
anything but awareness itself.  Turiya is not object-
oriented consciousness; there are no objects of
perception (subjective, as of paralysis, or objective)
in turiya.

I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an
integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in
meditation.  But then your comment above that I wasn't
describing turiya makes no sense.

Tom T writes:
It has been my experience that the beginning stages of witnessing were
that of paralysis. Not only was there paralysis but there was
knowledge that I was trapped inside this body and a good deal of fear.
There was enough fear at the beginning to awaken in a cold sweat.  As
I became accustomed to this awareness of awareness the fear stopped
and the understanding became clear that I was wide awake inside but
had zero connection to the outside world. Gradually the awareness grew
to include the outside world and encompass it and then it became clear
that awareness does not need the senses to know beyond the body.  Then
I could be awake inside and watch dreams start, run their course and
then stop and still I was wide awake inside totally sitting in the
darkness and silence. It no longer mattered whether the conventional
senses worked because the awareness was larger than this body. The
most common awareness was that of the same old bedroom, the same old
bed and the same old guy lying on the bed snoring his brains out. This
gradually led to the ramping down of the bedroom and allowing that to
be like background noise that is just there and doesn't need any
attending to. After a longer period I have realized that the awareness
has encompassed a fairly large amount of creation and that also just
runs in the background like music in the background. There but not
demanding all my attention. Tom







 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 
Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
~-> 

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] My generic response