[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My personal night of the soul was a little different than that > described on the web site. I think that description is the best I have > ever seen and can only add general comments to clarify my own > understanding. Thanks for sharing this. I was astonished at how closely the description on the web page you referenced earlier matched my experience also. I have written lately about the uniqueness of each of our journeys to liberation. Yet, there is certainly a commonality of the dark night we all pass through, the long archway to our freedom. The only thing to add is to validate a couple of the things I have heard about our journey: 1. Faith is all important. Faith is that connection we make with ourselves that transcends logic and conventional thinking. When the night is darkest, faith sees us through, even if it as Tom describes, merely consists of the ability to keep our physical bodies alive, and maintain ourselves as productive members of society. 2. Strength and conviction are equally important. We don't know when we are working on our last stress, the final gate. The ability to keep our mind and body strong is essential, to maintain momentum. Then we develop a natural habit of pushing on, even when there appears little left to push for. 3. Humility is another key. Forget all of the stuff you want to believe about yourself. Someone once said that we don't find God by directly searching for him. A seeker is by definition one who seeks God, or higher consciousness if you prefer. No need to go any further than that. If you try to conform to higher values before you are ready, this will only get in the way for you. 4. Last, be easy on yourself. There is no way before liberation to conform to all of the things we have heard about the saints. So don't be too hard on yourself, nor cut yourself too much slack. Don't try to be all loving, or all hating. We all find ourselves eventually anyway. Just meditate, and live daily life. Thanks again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Poor, persecuted Vaj. How could he *not* feel a > sense of kinship with poor, persecuted Andrew? > > Innocent as the day is long, both of 'em. Such > harmless, well-meaning chaps. Truly a pity they've > been made to suffer so horribly. > And the knowledge being expanded and refined here is? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dark night of the soul described
My personal night of the soul was a little different than that described on the web site. I think that description is the best I have ever seen and can only add general comments to clarify my own understanding. The way it came down for me was a lot more of the No thing in the relative did it for me anymore. My personal life enfoldment was through addictions to just about anything that would go into my body or any process. For me it was the fact that no thing in the relative world did it any more. There was no joy in mudville any night. I can remember taking delivery on a brand new car and I didn't even get it off the lot before the damn thing gave no joy at all. I persisted in my relationship with the wonderful lady who is now my wife but how she managed is beyond me. I kind of had a little of the aloneness but the predominance was that all the things and even the business I had been in for 25 years just had zero joy. Food was like eating cream of wheat with no salt. Sex was good when it happened but that depended more on my partner than me. The main item was the knowledge that nothing in the relative was going to bring joy ever again in the same old way it had. The only thing left to do was put the head down and just keep going. Even dieing didn't seem an option because I had already done that and I knew I would just end up back in the same spot. I once read a part of the comments in the Gita that it was like being in a boat that would only take you half way to the other side. At some point you would find yourself half way across and have one foot in the boat that brought you out and the other foot in the boat from the other side. There was this deep knowledge that the boat that brought you out was sinking slowly and the one you had your other foot in was invisible. There was a moment when you just have to give up the old boat and take your chances in the invisible one. It seems to me that the darkest spot is when you have one foot in either boat. At that point you are totally in no place, no time, and nothing matters. You also reach a point that just having something happening was a hell of a lot better than this no thing bringing any joy. You also knew you were screwed; no place to go and no way to fix it so you might as will go for broke. Eventually it broke and now there is joy and laughter at the dumbest things and every thing is funny in some odd and unpredictable way. You can ask people who know me in FF and they will tell you I could now be best described as the laughing fool. I had a conversation with Andy Rymer once when I was in his class here in FF and he mentioned that if we had gotten together then he would have been able to take the three year period I was in this thing down to three to six months. Living here in FF I can see how that would be possible if you had the opportunity to hang out with others who have been down this path. One very good and detailed accounting of this adventure is Bernadette Roberts in her book "The Path of NO Self". A very detailed unfolding of how it went down for her. It seems she was in it for a 2 or 3 year time frame. Judy is right, if any one from any institution ever got to ask you any questions they would lock you away so fast it would make your head spin. I believe Paula Youmans mentioned on this chat that her family did lock her up. See, once you asked to be awake, you invited all your worst fears in to be faced down and taken back into the wholeness you already are. The dissolution of old beliefs leads to enough gap being available that you can finally stop ignoring that which you have always been. Enjoy Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:24 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Don't forget to check the "doormouse" references to moi on that > > > site. > > > That you feel empathy towards *Skolnick* of all people, speaks > > > volumes about you, Vaj... > > > > I don't recall saying I felt empathy for this person. > > > You said: > > >You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. > >That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to > >her posts. It really seems to me to be black and white > >thinking. "You're either with us or against us." > > >For but one informative site, check out: > > >http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ > > >Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. > > The following definition of empathy appears to fit your above > comments. YOu cite skolnick's judy-worship page as an "informative > site" that "only scratches the surface" of "what some of us endured > from this person." > > How much more empathetic towards Andrew Skolnick can one get than > the above? Poor, persecuted Vaj. How could he *not* feel a sense of kinship with poor, persecuted Andrew? Innocent as the day is long, both of 'em. Such harmless, well-meaning chaps. Truly a pity they've been made to suffer so horribly. > http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0424447.html > > empathy > > Pronunciation: (em'pu-thç), [key] > n. > 1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of > the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another. > 2. the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or > work of art, feelings or attitudes present in oneself: By means of > empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami G response
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick, who the hell is this Swami G ? The response to > my wise-ass, joking post is as funny as his/her other > posts. The arrogance, and lack of humor, is amazing. > > G: one who doesn't need to swear or be a wise ass ... > > may he find a Guru with a good 4x6 that will knock the wind > out of his sails so he may go within rather than putting > out the sarcastic cynicism. while others may find it witty > it is a grandstand for ego... > > maha shanti om > 0 Gotcha! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Swami G response
Rick, who the hell is this Swami G ? The response to my wise-ass, joking post is as funny as his/her other posts. The arrogance, and lack of humor, is amazing. G: one who doesn't need to swear or be a wise ass ... may he find a Guru with a good 4x6 that will knock the wind out of his sails so he may go within rather than putting out the sarcastic cynicism. while others may find it witty it is a grandstand for ego... maha shanti om 0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Swami G answers questions- why are Realized people experts in different fields
Title: Swami G answers questions- why are Realized people experts in different fields Namaste - * For example, how do we categorize or have a perspective on people who are Realized but having different qualities, one is an expert on Veda, unfolding deep aspects of perspectives which were lost, one a Vedic Mathematics genius (this is also uncovering deep aspects of Veda), one a psychic, one a healer. G: One may remain in their former field of endeavor ... the prabdha karma plays out With Realization comes the ability to understand where deeper spiritual texts are pointing to and what they are attempting to break through ... the modalities are understood for what they are quite easily * All these people Realized yet not an expert in these other fields. You are saying Realized is Realized- are these other things qualities of the relative (I use relative meaning that which is not absolute, that which is changing) G: right Realization is the Unchanging Constant Primal IS ... the ever Pure point of Reality ... relative and relational has to do with collected transient information which is always in flux and change... * On another question, I am having meditations like never before the last days- I am wondering if Swami G is doing something? hahah, but if so, thanks, G: Swami-G doesn't have to *Do* anything --- it simply happens ... it is difficult to say how these things take place... they simply do * And yet another thought- I read from Yogananda, he said the purpose of meditation is to find God. Until the rug gets pulled out from under me in this thought, I have this thought often to give a perspective and basis to my meditation practice. G: sometimes in getting rug pulled out then one Does find God ... for God is never separate to be found outside One gets jolted out of externalizing ... everything falls away .. then Boom what has always been becomes apparent * I sense there can be an attachment to the bliss of the meditation program so I have this thought in mind- Sometimes before or during the meditation, I am reminding myself of this. G: Bliss is not the goal ... one must be willing to go beyond this ... into Stillness ... Bliss while intriguing is a step along the way --- not Liberation... * And another question-how do you recommend that a disciple deal with his ego, while on the journey? I believe I do make some slight efforts to tone it done when possible without mood making-to the best of my ability? Something like don't get flattered and caught up in that direction, I can see what's coming. G: find a Guru that carries a velvet 4x6 *next post is the response from Mr. Ph.D. G: ah yes --- what pushed his button ? where does his anger stem from ? i am not here to play games but to answer questions honestly and to give the best that may be given to aide others in their search to go beyond maya and it's many attachments and traps ... ego being one of them ... maha shanti om 0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:24 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Don't forget to check the "doormouse" references to moi on that site. > > That you feel empathy towards *Skolnick* of all people, speaks > > volumes about you, Vaj... > > I don't recall saying I felt empathy for this person. > > You said: >You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. >That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to her >posts. It really seems to me to be black and white thinking. "You're >either with us or against us." >For but one informative site, check out: >http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ >Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. The following definition of empathy appears to fit your above comments. YOu cite skolnick's judy-worship page as an "informative site" that "only scratches the surface" of "what some of us endured from this person." How much more empathetic towards Andrew Skolnick can one get than the above? http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0424447.html empathy Pronunciation: (em'pu-thç), [key] n. 1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another. 2. the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or work of art, feelings or attitudes present in oneself: By means of empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/4/05 6:30 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Again? > > Also, publications that are not read by or are shunned by rational > > educated people are not credible sources because they are targeted > > to an irrational uneducated audience. An example would be those > > papers that have discovered Elvis living in Mayanmar undercover, or > > UFO's on the white house lawn. > > No fair! You know none of us can argue UFO's with you.>> Maybe, but we wouldn't park on the white house lawn ! That is why you can't trust those newspapers. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For but one informative site, check out: > > > > http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ > > > > Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. > > Don't forget to check the "doormouse" references to moi on that > site. My apologies, I should have noted that the honor of being lied about on Skolnick's site was accorded to several other people, you being one. > That you feel empathy towards *Skolnick* of all people, speaks > volumes about you, Vaj... "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Vaj should ask Barry what *he* thinks of Andrew Skolnick. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MUSIC!!!
Title: MUSIC!!! Dear Friends: About two years ago I enjoyed a great evening of music when I attended a concert given by a singer/songwriter, Karen Mal. She was visting Fairfield from Austin, Texas and played at Revelations Book Store. Unfortunately, on the same night there was a play at Spayde Theatre and another event at Morning Star, so not too many people were available for her performance. I just remember sitting in the audience thinking that people had missed seeing a truly fine talent. Her music was captivating. (She has a great voice, her lyrics are sweet and charming, and she plays a great acoustic guitar.) Fortunately, Karen is returning to Fairfield to play at Cafe Paradiso on Thursday, Dec. 8th. Please come and see her live in concert, and please send this email to your friends, so we can give her a warm Fairfield welcome... I have included some information on her below, and you can also visit her website... P.S. Please also let me know if you have a guest room for her for the one evening she will be here. Thank you! David Hawthorne Karen Mal has been chosen as a winner or finalist in the following songwriting competitions: Portland Songwriters Association (2002) South Florida Folk Festival (2003) Mountain Valley Arts Festival (2002) Sisters Folk Festival (2002) KRCL/Founders Title Folk and Bluegrass Festival (2002) Kerrville New Folk (2001 and 2002) In three short years, Karen Mal has gone from a virtual unknown on the Austin acoustic music scene to one of the most sought-after performers around, both as a solo artist and as a sideman for others on mandolin, guitar, and harmony vocals. Karen has opened for and/or appeared onstage with performers such as Tom Paxton, Slaid Cleaves, Tom Prasada-Rao, Gail Davies, Buddy Mondlock, and Tom Kimmel. Originally from New England, more recently from Wisconsin, Karen worked in regional theatre for several years as an actor and musical director/composer before settling in Austin, Texas to play music full-time. She has lived and worked in places from Manhattan to Memphis, from Wisconsin to California, and toured in 40 states. www.karenmal.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] FW: lurker Response about Swami G
> Rick, who the hell is this Swami G ? The response to > my wise-ass, joking post is as funny as his/her other > posts. The arrogance, and lack of humor, is amazing. Lurker response: Here is a website which explains Swami G http://kundalinisupport.com/ As a lurker, I have picked out some posts from FFL and sent them to Swami G and asked for comment, then posted it. I was not asked to do this. Swami G has made herself available by phone, or emails, and has said that what she posts can be posted elsewhere, with respect in mind. Some of you in this group may enjoy the posts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/4/05 7:34 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > OK, misunderstood who said what and did what with whom. > > And now we're to believe that the women just casually bragged about the > sex they'd had? That's groupie talk, IMHO. I don't think it was casual. Probably, in time, the enormity of what they had been through began to hit them, and it helped for them to speak to someone in order to process it. In fact, 30+ years after her "experience," Jennifer said that reading the Sexy Sadie file took a huge weight off her shoulders. It helped her to realize how widespread these occurrences were. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:24 PM, sparaig wrote:Don't forget to check the "doormouse" references to moi on that site. That you feel empathy towards *Skolnick* of all people, speaks volumes about you, Vaj... I don't recall saying I felt empathy for this person. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/4/05 6:30 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Again? > Also, publications that are not read by or are shunned by rational > educated people are not credible sources because they are targeted > to an irrational uneducated audience. An example would be those > papers that have discovered Elvis living in Mayanmar undercover, or > UFO's on the white house lawn. No fair! You know none of us can argue UFO's with you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > I consider that site a badge of honor. > > > > If anyone wants to pick up something from it about > > me they consider particularly damning and post it > > here, I'll be happy to provide the facts. > > > > Me 2, though his inability to grasp concepts like immortality and > enlightenement shines forth quite clearly, even in his brief quotes of > my own posts. > I mean "reincarnation" not "immortality," though I suppose it comes to the same thing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: YBC -- the joy of losing it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you Pundits-ji. I am now able to do full TM/Sidhi Programs > again without ghastly effects afterwards. TM is OK, but doing the > sutras and flying are very special. Dropping out, coming back and > trying to remember where you are in the sutras or if you're doing the > flying sutra or another one is great. > > I remember when I learned the sidhis and years afterwards, I prided > myself on always knowing which sutra was next. Now I'm so happy to > lose it, to lose myself in the Transcendent. Each dive into the > Transcendent embues one with it. > > Thank you, Yagna by Choice. > Flying is nothing without TM practice... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/3/05 11:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > > publicised it in some way. > > I didn't say anything of the sort (boy, it's a good thing I read a few of > your posts once in a while). I just said that a lot of the secretaries > believe this happened based on their observation, participation (bring women > to the door), and discussions with those women later. > OK, misunderstood who said what and did what with whom. And now we're to believe that the women just casually bragged about the sex they'd had? That's groupie talk, IMHO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi > >>> isn't "people." > >>> > >>> But WHY do they talk about it with YOU? > >> > >> They've talked about it with other people. They're just not running > > to the > >> newspapers or setting up a web site. > >> > > > > Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all? > > Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question. Don't the have a > right to? Of course. Are they under some moral obligation to remain silent all their > lives? > What moral obligation? Most people don't talk about their sex lives with strangers, and most women don't talk about previous boyfriends with non-gay guys. Not trying to imply something about YOU, but only about how this whole thing sounds: very odd. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > I consider that site a badge of honor. > > If anyone wants to pick up something from it about > me they consider particularly damning and post it > here, I'll be happy to provide the facts. > Me 2, though his inability to grasp concepts like immortality and enlightenement shines forth quite clearly, even in his brief quotes of my own posts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:41 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on > > personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding of > > ideas. > > Exactly. > > > > > And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always easy > > to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for example, on your > > recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent appears clearly to show > > that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not to further any particular > > idea along. > > You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. > That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to her > posts. It really seems to me to be black and white thinking. "You're > either with us or against us." > > For but one informative site, check out: > > http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ > > Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. > Don't forget to check the "doormouse" references to moi on that site. That you feel empathy towards *Skolnick* of all people, speaks volumes about you, Vaj... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha, etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Frankly, I'm finding the gratuitous insults more disgusting than the gotcha posts. > > L B S > It's not like people are deliberately pushing Judy's buttons in these threads in order to make themselves look superior... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > [snip] > > > Speaking of cognitive dissonance... > > > > > > > Thank goodness there are other posters here like Tom > > > > and Rick and Vaj > > [snip] > > > > > And we all know what a brilliant example of "the > > > spiritual life" Tom represents. Innocence and > > > brightness and joy personified. From Tom's > > > latest: > > > > > > "Should you wish to make an ass out of yourself by > > > responding, do it amongst yourself. I don't read FFL > > > and I have the fools' email addresses blocked. I have > > > filters set up with my ISP such that if you try to do > > > an end run by sending me something nasty from another > > > email address, your email will get trashed when it > > > hits my ISP. Besides that, may God bless and keep you." > > > > Keep in mind that Tom Pall is not the only Tom who posts here. I'd > > wager that Barry was referring to Tom Traynor, whose posts are > > nothing like Tom Pall's except that they're written in English. > > Exactly. Judy knew that, too; she was just > desparate for some invective, so picked a > 'Tom' who would raise more hackles. > > One wonders if she tortures small animals > when she's not posting here. :-) > Actually, I don't wonder that about *her*... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > In any other context than dumping on me or another > > > committed TMer (as I've observed before in similar > > > contexts), Barry would insist that behavior is not > > > an indication of spiritual development. > > > > You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the Yonified Field. > > I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in > disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being > used for anything. :-) > Good to see that Judy isn't the "only" one to descend to personal attacks in this forum... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Farrokh: who wrote it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tmforlife108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Farouk > > Hi, I'm a governor from the UK and via a roundabout route I got your > open letter to Michael Dilbeck. I thought I'd send you a quote from > another email which I got from Michael Moore. > > <<< begins>>> > Friends, > > I just thought we should all pause for a moment today to remember the > simple act of courage, defiance and dignity committed by Rosa Parks when > she refused to move to the back of the bus because the law said she had > the wrong skin color. snip It is not easy to stand up for what is > right, especially when everyone else is afraid to leave the comfortable > path of conformity. > > ... > <<<>> > Highly relevant in the case of the TM movement don't you think? > > My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a stand > against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the > movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type of > crap and the nonsense. snip . We have been waiting for an > awakening in public consciousness, but the public has always been > willing to take to this knowledge when properly presented. The awakening > will be our realisation that all obstructions are self-created and can > be removed in an instant. This will be the true phase transition. > > Jai Guru Dev > > John Small > > Farrokh & Ruffina Anklesaria > The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP) > Administrative Office > 202 Tiffin Ave > Ferguson, MO 63135 > Visit our website at www.tesp.org > Tel: 314 521 4390 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/4/05 10:33 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > No, I thought you mean't what is considered a credible quote. > Obviously something that is gossip and is not published cannot > > be > considered to have any credibility. > >> > >> Does that mean that The National Enquirer is credible because it is > >> published?>>> > > > > I don't know that paper. Do they publish unproven gossip about > > celebreties that they could get sued for? > > In addition, does a rational educated person take that newspaper > > seriously? > > Oh, now we're citing education as a criterion of credibility again, are we?>> Again? Also, publications that are not read by or are shunned by rational educated people are not credible sources because they are targeted to an irrational uneducated audience. An example would be those papers that have discovered Elvis living in Mayanmar undercover, or UFO's on the white house lawn. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Farrokh
I forwarded you post to him. on 12/4/05 6:06 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Post 80922 > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours? > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Farrokh
My untidy snipping made it appear that "tmforlife108" said this. In fact, he or she was quoting Farrokh. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Farrokh
Post 80922 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
I am certain, *postive,* in fact, that I heard someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone else...that Colonel Mustard and Miss Scarlet had sex in the parlor. Sal On Dec 4, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/4/05 12:07 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > He had no female secretaries. That is the point. So you are obscurely > making the point that he did not have sex? > > That you "heard" Rick say that M had sex with female secretaries says > alot about your cognitive processes -- and perhaps explains why you > have been skeptical of it all. You are so out of touch with the > reported "facts" and strange imangined loops are interceeding. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: News from Skem, UK
Yeah, the vastu made you do it... Sal On Dec 4, 2005, at 2:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, if you're not living in proper vastu, it just might be impossible to follow the exact instructions of the Guru. One might find himself compelled to teach when he' is told not to teach or teach for free when he is told to teach for more money. Jeez, without proper vastu to keep us oriented properly we can't be responsible for our own actions! We are at the mercy of the kali yuga! My current vastu is compelling me to not be superstitious and to do as I please and enjoy life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Farrokh
Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours?
on 12/4/05 5:27 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> I respect Farrokh's stand. I'm a little curious,
> though, about some of his remarks here.
>
> First, he is apparently of the Brigante school,
> thinking that the tomfoolery in the Movement
> is purely the fault of its administrators and not
> of the founder.
>
> I have an undergraduate background in physics
> and math, from MIU during the Hagelin years,
> and I am a long way from being able to touch
> Hagelin's level of math. It's unclear which works
> of Hagelin's Farrokh is criticizing: his two TM
> monographs ("Is Consciousness the Unified Field?"
> and "Restructuring Physics from Its Foundation in
> Light of Maharishi's Vedic Science") or his published
> high-energy physics papers.
>
> The former are not particularly mathematics-based,
> so a series of courses in math is not really the right
> foundation to critique them; a long series of
> graduate-level courses in high-energy physics,
> for which the math would be a prerequisite, would
> be, however. It doesn't sound as though Farrokh
> has taken such classes. Even if he had, the
> monographs do not attempt to construct a
> finite unified field theory, a central point in
> Farrokh's critique.
>
> Hagelin's published physics papers, similarly, do
> not attempt to construct a finite unified theory,
> nor do they discuss Vedic science. Hagelin's most
> celebrated mainstream work was in grand unified
> theory and superstrings.
>
> Maharishi has an undergrad background in physics,
> at least a working knowledge of "Maharishi's Vedic
> Science," and the experience of discussing physics
> with Hagelin for decades. If Farrokh is correct that
> Maharishi is an intellectual superstar, wouldn't
> Maharishi himself be the best judge of whether
> Hagelin is using his theories correctly?
>
> What does Farrokh think of Schanbacher's work?
> Clements'?
>
> Most notably, given that Farrokh has constructed
> "wonderfully elegant solutions" to the problems
> of "the dimensionality of space and the origin
> of the symmetries of the Standard Model," it's
> just a matter of time until he wins multiple
> Nobel prizes.
>
> That's pretty cool. You get on with your bad
> self, Farrokh!
>
> In this battle of crap vs crap, I think that
> Farrokh still has the upper hand, 'cause he
> makes sense in just about every other way.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tmforlife108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a stand
>> against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the
>> movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type of
>> crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed
>> scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and
>> Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than turn
>> around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it. So
>> I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I could
>> acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the
>> present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science as
>> proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use those
>> insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern
>> physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a very
>> unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been
>> expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's knowledge.
>> When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate reality is
>> of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite Unified
>> Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can be
>> experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one after
>> the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very interesting
>> mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of the
>> deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of space
>> and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have wonderfully
>> elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these ideas at
>> a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and this
>> initial paper will be published next year. Though it's nice to get some
>> appreciation from experts who are utterly disdainful of John Hagelin,
>> much remains to be done. So it will be some time yet before a complete
>> analysis will be possible.
>>
>> The interesting thing is that one can use use Maharishi's knowledge to
>> solve these problems and hence give the knowledge true scientific
>> credibility while at the same time demolishing just about everything
>> John Hagelin has done. One wonders at the intellectual ineptitude that
>> has allowed his ideas to gain credence within the movement. The more I
>> study this field the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest from Farrokh
I respect Farrokh's stand. I'm a little curious,
though, about some of his remarks here.
First, he is apparently of the Brigante school,
thinking that the tomfoolery in the Movement
is purely the fault of its administrators and not
of the founder.
I have an undergraduate background in physics
and math, from MIU during the Hagelin years,
and I am a long way from being able to touch
Hagelin's level of math. It's unclear which works
of Hagelin's Farrokh is criticizing: his two TM
monographs ("Is Consciousness the Unified Field?"
and "Restructuring Physics from Its Foundation in
Light of Maharishi's Vedic Science") or his published
high-energy physics papers.
The former are not particularly mathematics-based,
so a series of courses in math is not really the right
foundation to critique them; a long series of
graduate-level courses in high-energy physics,
for which the math would be a prerequisite, would
be, however. It doesn't sound as though Farrokh
has taken such classes. Even if he had, the
monographs do not attempt to construct a
finite unified field theory, a central point in
Farrokh's critique.
Hagelin's published physics papers, similarly, do
not attempt to construct a finite unified theory,
nor do they discuss Vedic science. Hagelin's most
celebrated mainstream work was in grand unified
theory and superstrings.
Maharishi has an undergrad background in physics,
at least a working knowledge of "Maharishi's Vedic
Science," and the experience of discussing physics
with Hagelin for decades. If Farrokh is correct that
Maharishi is an intellectual superstar, wouldn't
Maharishi himself be the best judge of whether
Hagelin is using his theories correctly?
What does Farrokh think of Schanbacher's work?
Clements'?
Most notably, given that Farrokh has constructed
"wonderfully elegant solutions" to the problems
of "the dimensionality of space and the origin
of the symmetries of the Standard Model," it's
just a matter of time until he wins multiple
Nobel prizes.
That's pretty cool. You get on with your bad
self, Farrokh!
In this battle of crap vs crap, I think that
Farrokh still has the upper hand, 'cause he
makes sense in just about every other way.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tmforlife108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a stand
> against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the
> movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type of
> crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed
> scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and
> Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than turn
> around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it. So
> I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I could
> acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the
> present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science as
> proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use those
> insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern
> physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a very
> unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been
> expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's knowledge.
> When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate reality is
> of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite Unified
> Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can be
> experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one after
> the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very interesting
> mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of the
> deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of space
> and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have wonderfully
> elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these ideas at
> a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and this
> initial paper will be published next year. Though it's nice to get some
> appreciation from experts who are utterly disdainful of John Hagelin,
> much remains to be done. So it will be some time yet before a complete
> analysis will be possible.
>
> The interesting thing is that one can use use Maharishi's knowledge to
> solve these problems and hence give the knowledge true scientific
> credibility while at the same time demolishing just about everything
> John Hagelin has done. One wonders at the intellectual ineptitude that
> has allowed his ideas to gain credence within the movement. The more I
> study this field the more I find that his ideas are packed solid with
> errors of reasoning and elementary maths. I know of many intelligent
> people within the movement who have their doubts about John Hagelin's
> ideas and even more doubts about Tony Nader's ideas but fail to
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Swami G's response to Dr. Pete
I have no idea. There's a lurker here (whom we know well from about a year ago) who sends me these things to post. I suggested he use anonymousff, but he said he's leaving for Germany soon so I'm just doing him a favor by forwarding a few. on 12/4/05 10:33 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rick, who the hell is this Swami G ? The response to > my wise-ass, joking post is as funny as his/her other > posts. The arrogance, and lack of humor, is amazing. > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>Posted from anon poster: >> >> Namaste - >> >> this man has a Ph.D.: >> >> G: and ? >> >> >> *I see dead people. Am I special? >> >> G: psychic if you want to see it as special >> be my guest... >> >> *I must be in some way. >> >> G:so what is he doing with it ? what Peace is in >> place ? >> >> * Maybe some day I can be as special as Swami >> G., >> or at least as special as she sees herself. >> >> G:where is he coming from with this ? he may see >> dead people but >> has no clue about what Realization or >> Non-duality means >> i have never claimed to be *special* what is >> *special* in >> Non-duality ? When there is no higher or >> lower >> only that Singular Essence ? since he is >> claiming to be >> a special person then he is much more special >> than what >> is here... >> Realization takes one to being Ordinary >> without masks >> without coverings - transparent .. it has no >> *specialness* >> within it >> >> maha shanti om >> 0 >> > > > > > __ > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/4/05 10:33 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No, I thought you mean't what is considered a credible quote. Obviously something that is gossip and is not published cannot > be considered to have any credibility. >> >> Does that mean that The National Enquirer is credible because it is >> published?>>> > > I don't know that paper. Do they publish unproven gossip about > celebreties that they could get sued for? > In addition, does a rational educated person take that newspaper > seriously? Oh, now we're citing education as a criterion of credibility again, are we? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] YBC -- the joy of losing it
Thank you Pundits-ji. I am now able to do full TM/Sidhi Programs again without ghastly effects afterwards. TM is OK, but doing the sutras and flying are very special. Dropping out, coming back and trying to remember where you are in the sutras or if you're doing the flying sutra or another one is great. I remember when I learned the sidhis and years afterwards, I prided myself on always knowing which sutra was next. Now I'm so happy to lose it, to lose myself in the Transcendent. Each dive into the Transcendent embues one with it. Thank you, Yagna by Choice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/4/05 12:07 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > He had no female secretaries. That is the point. So you are obscurely > making the point that he did not have sex? > > That you "heard" Rick say that M had sex with female secretaries says > alot about your cognitive processes -- and perhaps explains why you > have been skeptical of it all. You are so out of touch with the > reported "facts" and strange imangined loops are interceeding. > > Various male secretaries, aka skin boys, escorted various woman to his > room at wee hours, at various times and locations, and they emerged > disheaveled hours later. And some of the women confined in some of the > male secretaries months later, continents away, about what happened. I see anonymous, presumably Akasha_108 (welcome back) is beating me to it. Thanks. In the above paragraph, the word "confined" should be "confided." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/3/05 11:59 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > OK, from what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's *female* > secretaries have had sex with MMY, and Rick has found out about this > because they either told him personally, or let it be publicized in > some other way. Around Maharishi, the title "secretary" always referred to a male assistant. They were also sometimes called "skin boys" because they carried the deer skin. Various women around him may have performed secretarial tasks, but they weren't referred to as secretaries. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/3/05 11:50 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > publicised it in some way. I didn't say anything of the sort (boy, it's a good thing I read a few of your posts once in a while). I just said that a lot of the secretaries believe this happened based on their observation, participation (bring women to the door), and discussions with those women later. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
on 12/3/05 11:42 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi >>> isn't "people." >>> >>> But WHY do they talk about it with YOU? >> >> They've talked about it with other people. They're just not running > to the >> newspapers or setting up a web site. >> > > Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all? Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself that question. Don't the have a right to? Are they under some moral obligation to remain silent all their lives? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
Joseph Campbell discusses the link between mental illness and spiritual journeys in "Schizophrenia, the Inward Journey," a chapter in _Myths To Live By_. Another person to comment on this topic would be Dr. Pete. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm > > > > good decsription including some points that were not in my own > > experience. Tom T (not Tom Paul) > > It also strikes me that some of what this page describes > has many of the same features as clinical depression. It > makes me wonder whether there may be instances in which > someone is diagnosed as depressed when in fact what > they're experiencing is this "neither here or there" > state MMY refers to--if not as a function of a specific > spiritual practice, perhaps simply as a matter of > spontaneous evolution of consciousness. > > In this same light, it may be of interest that quite > a few of the former, now strenuously anti-TMers who > used to post to alt.meditation.transcendental would > repeatedly claim they quit TM because they had begun > to experience life as empty and meaningless and had > become deeply miserable. > > Is it possible that at least some of them--many had been > long-term TMers--were actually going through this "dark > night" experience, having evolved to the "neither here > nor there" point but without the necessary intellectual > understanding to recognize that it was happening because > they were on the brink of CC? > > Ah, I found the other bit of commentary from MMY > I had been thinking of; it follows IV:40: > > "As the practice of Karma Yoga [TM, in this context] > advances, one begins to feel one's Self as separate > from activity. This experience brings with it a > feeling of confusion. One finds onself active and yet > inwardly one feels somewhat aloof from activity. > > "Doubts begin to arise in the mind, and the intellect > seeks for some explanation of the situationWithout > proper understanding, even the direct experience of > eternal freedom may be found to create confusion and > fear." > > Could this "confusion and fear" be related to the > "dark night of the soul" experience? > > Tom, would you be inclined to say something about > your experiences along these lines? (Or anybody > else?) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Could it have something to do with the Brain structure.?? More White matter than Grey matter.?? OriginalMessage- From: "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:54:56 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed I'm not sure any of this has anything to do with education, or intelligence, or anything like that.For some people fame, is like money, they just want more of it.For some people, being attractive, and narcissitic, is just a part of that personality type; being sought after, feeling that everyone wants me..Being in the limelight, is a powerful feeling, I'm sure.I always thought Mia Farrow, is quite attractive; and I'm sure wherever she goes, she feels that response from men.And I'm quite sure she dosen't mind the attention.And some people just like to discuss their sex life with other's,and their various adventures... Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:41 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on > > > personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding > > > of ideas. > > > > Exactly. > > > > > And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always > > > easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for > > > example, on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent > > > appears clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not > > > to further any particular idea along. > > > > You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. > > Translation: Those of us whose modus operandi is > dishonesty have repeatedly had to endure being > exposed as liars. The nerve! Why fight with someone like Vaj who is devoid of any sequential and objective rational thought, and who uses heresay as if it were real quotes from a famous person. Then when confronted with a quote he doesn't like, tries to make it mean something entirely different than it obviously means. When he can't get around a quote he simply throws in his own arbitrary and irrational interpretation as to why the person would have said that, and when all else fails he resorts to extreme libalous defamation. For example, when he said that Paul McCartney must have visited Maharishi because his daughters wanted to, and to keep them safe (only he used much more libalous wording than that). It is like talking to a drunk homeless guy. Why bother? > > That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to > > her posts. > > I get plenty of responses to my posts, thank you > very much. > > > It really seems to me to be black and white > > thinking. "You're either with us or against us." > > Says Vaj, uninhibitedly attempting to discern > intent, while condemning me for doing the same.>> What else is he supposed to do when he has no argument of any standing, and is only capable of off-gassing noxious vapors and excreting putrid black bile? OffWorld. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release: Maharishi Establishes- 'The World Federation of Traditional Kings'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace > Dr. Bevan Morris > > Yahoo! Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals Was this Bevan's personals ad? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release: Maharishi Establishes- 'The World Federation of Traditional Kings'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geneva Celebrating the Dawn of a New Fortune for All Mankind the 8th Day2005/12/04 01:02 Press Release from: > The Global Country of World Peace Okay, Is there a toupee in this picture? > > > > - > Yahoo! Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:41 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on > > > personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding > > > of ideas. > > > > Exactly. > > > > > And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always > > > easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for > > > example, on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent > > > appears clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not > > > to further any particular idea along. > > > > You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. > > Translation: Those of us whose modus operandi is > dishonesty have repeatedly had to endure being > exposed as liars. The nerve! > > > That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to > > her posts. > > I get plenty of responses to my posts, thank you > very much. > > > It really seems to me to be black and white > > thinking. "You're either with us or against us." > > Says Vaj, uninhibitedly attempting to discern > intent, while condemning me for doing the same. > > Anon: You said Vaj's earlier post was "not making > personal attacks. He is not going for 'the kill' -- > al la 'and therefore person x is an insipid miserable > piece of shit'." > > I countered that his post was directed specifically > at me. > > Want to rethink your evaluation of his post now? > > > For but one informative site, check out: > > > > http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ > > > > Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. > > Vaj wasn't around when the discussions immortalized > on Andrew Skolnick's hate site were taking place, nor > has Vaj had any experience with Skolnick (Andrew > wrote the extraordinarily dishonest muck-raking piece > in the Journal of the American Medical Association, > then took up residence on alt.m.t for some years), so > Vaj can perhaps be forgiven for not realizing that > Andrew's accounts of what took place on alt.m.t are > willfully distorted almost beyond recognition. > > (Although Vaj and Skolnick are birds of a feather > in that regard.) > > Andrew put that site up because he had such trouble > getting away with his lies on alt.m.t. By creating > his own site, he didn't have to worry about rebuttal; > he could lie until he was blue in the face--and did > so, without shame. > > I consider that site a badge of honor. > > If anyone wants to pick up something from it about > me they consider particularly damning and post it > here, I'll be happy to provide the facts. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
MMY's SBAL http://www.21stbooks.com/page/21stbooks/prod/ma4567 , "Experiencing and the Art of Being" (~p.109): "Without the art of Being on the level of experience, when the process of experience brings the subject in contact with the object, then the subject, without the state of Being, becomes so fully identified with the object that the impression of the value of the object becomes very strong in the mind. This impression of the experience is held fast in the mind as a seed for future desire for the same experience. This is how the cycle of experience, impression, desire -- experience, impression, desire -- continues to be, and the cycle of birth and death is thus continued. In order to understand the cycle of birth and death caused by the impression of the experience, it should first be understood that the cause of rebirth is the unfulfilled desires of the past life. If a man wants to accomplish this or that and fails to do so before the body ceases to function, he dies unfulfilled. Because of his unfulfillment the inner man (mind) goes to create another body through which that unfulfilled desire of the past life may be fulfilled The maintenance of Being at the level of experience does not allow a deep impression of the object on the mind; the impression is just enough to give the experience of the object, just enough to allow the perception to be. Because the mind is full of the value of Being and Being in Its nature is bliss consciousness, the impressions of the experience of the transitory nature of the objects naturally fail to make a great impression in the mind. The impression is not deep enough to work as a seed for future actionIt is like the impression of a line on water which is drawn but simultaneously erasedWithout Being in the mind, the impression of the object is like the impression of a line drawn on stone, difficult to erase It is the technique of Transcendental Meditation that establishes Being in the mind and naturally allows it to live the value of Being along with the values of the outer experiences. Thus we find that the art of Being on the level of experience finds it fulfillment in the regular and steady practice of Transcendental Meditation." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I suspect Judy's high minded, passive agressive > > > response will be " > > > Well, if you don't care about lying and distortions > > > on this list, and > > > life in general, well, well, I feel sorry for you." > > > > > > No, we don't care about what you interpret endlessly > > > as "lying and > > > distortions." We have a brian, we can make our own > > > assessments. > > > > Ha! You said "brian!" instead of "brain". Gotcha!!! Ha > > Ha Ha! > > > > No, Brian is the name of the main voice inside my head. Of course > there is also Fred, Omar, Jean-Luc, Astrid, Ramur and Closters. > > What are the names of your voices. > John is the most compassionate and loving voice and who is practically all the time present. Probaly John is composed of many different entities. I just perceive him as one.Then there is About. He only announces his approval by saying 'about' in a matter of fact fashion. Then there were earlier also female 'Good Lord' voices that were very hypocritical. The other voices are more secretive of their names or I don't just accept any nimes. They are just anonyms even if there are anons with many different qualities and personalities.Sometimes I can witness 2 or 3 of them having a dialogue in my mind. No wonder I rarely listen to radio or watch TV. All the voices speak English, which has clearly improved my English skills. They are also quite creative, and eagerly suggest different responses, when I write for example at FFL. My job is just to choose between the different suggestions. Quite handy. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: News from Skem, UK
In a message dated 12/4/05 1:28:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just when you thought it was safe to go outside again...SalOn Dec 4, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Ingegerd wrote:> Great Idea. Before you talk to people, please check their houses.> Thank God that I am not in the Movement any more! You know, if you're not living in proper vastu, it just might be impossible to follow the exact instructions of the Guru. One might find himself compelled to teach when he' is told not to teach or teach for free when he is told to teach for more money. Jeez, without proper vastu to keep us oriented properly we can't be responsible for our own actions! We are at the mercy of the kali yuga! My current vastu is compelling me to not be superstitious and to do as I please and enjoy life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the > > > > Yonified Field. > > > > > > > > I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in > > > > disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being > > > > used for anything. :-) > > > > > > U! Low blow, low blow. Deduct two points from > > > Turquois. > > > > For some reason, Barry has always been obsessed with > > fantasies about my sex life. > > More like hopeful that no one was unfortunate > enough to *have* a sex life that involved Judy. > I wouldn't wish that on Dick Cheney. Boiling oil > or being skinned alive, yes, but there are limits. :-) Ah, that must why so many of your fantasies about my sex life have involved the use of a vibrator. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > With regard to "spiritual teachers plant[ing] the idea that you are > > bound so they can sell you the means to become unbound...", it is > > like any other advertisement- we don't respond to it unless we > > recognize the need for it within ourselves. No one buys that which > > they have no need for. > > Er, well, Madison Avenue would be a bit chagrined > to hear that! That's the whole idea behind the > basic marketing principle of "creating demand"--make > people think they need something whether they do or > not. True, but in the case of a spiritual journey, the selling/buying won't last long if it is a false need. > In the case of "selling" a spiritual path, if one > believes everyone is in need of becoming unbound, > then by definition "buying" the path would be on > the basis of recognizing the need. > > But if you don't believe *anybody* is in need of a > path, as this chap seems not to, then it makes perfect > sense to assume, as he does, that it's a "created" > need. > > The problem with that view is that it doesn't account > for people who recognize the need on their own hook > before anybody ever tries to "sell" them on it. > Yep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > With regard to "spiritual teachers plant[ing] the idea that you are > > bound so they can sell you the means to become unbound...", it is > > like any other advertisement- we don't respond to it unless we > > recognize the need for it within ourselves. No one buys that which > > they have no need for. > > Er, well, Madison Avenue would be a bit chagrined > to hear that! That's the whole idea behind the > basic marketing principle of "creating demand"--make > people think they need something whether they do or > not. True, but in the case of a spiritual journey, the selling/buying won't last long if it is a false need. > In the case of "selling" a spiritual path, if one > believes everyone is in need of becoming unbound, > then by definition "buying" the path would be on > the basis of recognizing the need. > > But if you don't believe *anybody* is in need of a > path, as this chap seems not to, then it makes perfect > sense to assume, as he does, that it's a "created" > need. > > The problem with that view is that it doesn't account > for people who recognize the need on their own hook > before anybody ever tries to "sell" them on it. > Yep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I think the point here is that one's credilbility > > lies > > > not in some sort of objective criteria we can all > > > agree upon. These allegations of sexual advances > > > and/or acts by MMY are believed by some and denied > > by > > > others. A lot of it has to do with our own concept > > of > > > what and who MMY is to us. Frankly, I see the > > sexual > > > allegations as true because of my own > > > belief/experience in the credibility of the > > accusers. > > > I still also find MMY to be an amazing man/guru > > who > > > has been the catalyst for profound changes in my > > > consciousness. Why he's poking around in the > > bushes of > > > CP's is beyond me! > > > > > > >Irmeli: Dr Pete I find really intriguing your understanding > > about MMY and > > enlightenment. > > You have explained many times how in enlightenment > > there is no `I'. > > And you have explained many times how you consider > > MMY to be an > > enlightened blazing Self, although he is also > > narcissistic and goofy > > in the personality department. > > > > When you say MMY to be an amazing man/guru, do you > > mean the > > narcissistic personality department? You couldn't > > refer to the `I' > > or self department, if there is no `I'? Or could > > you? > > > > In a state of localized conceptual and intellectual > > confusion I'm > > waiting for your answer. > > > > > > Peter:I wouldn't want to leave you localized in conceptual > and intellectual confusion! MMY has a localized value > and an unbounded value to his being as everyone else > does. MMY's personality is just that, a personality > influenced/created by his unique and shared cultural > experiences. It has its narcissitic traits as both you > and I have talked about. But then there is an infinite > value which is completely awake to itself. In most > others this infinite value is only partially awake to > itself. For what ever reason (dharma, karma, frequent > high colonics), in MMY's presence, this infinite value > completely dominates. Any finite value of the > personality is experienced as false and insignificant > in this context of infinity. The finite value has a > dream-like falsenes to it: it's only a thought in this > "huge" infinity. I have the same experience with SSRS. > The only authentic difference between MMY and SSRS is > the personality. SSRS is "sweet" as MMY has called > him. He's a really nice guy. Very down to earth, open > and friendly. But the infinite value in both of them > is experienced in exactly the same way. There is no > difference between the two. This infinity eats any > boundary, any difference (it's poison, meditators > should watch out for it!). So for me MMY is both this > personality and infinity. Did that help? > Thank you for your thought out response. Your account makes sense to me. Have you seen this strong infinite value in some other persons than MMY and SSRS? I remember you having said that you don't perceive it in Ammachi. I did perceive that value rather strongly present in her. Are there possibly still some other persons, in whom you have sensed that kind of strong presence? A few years ago I saw an interview in TV. The young man interviewed there immediately captivated my attention, while I didn't know what the program was about. The man had a strong and innocent radiance in his face. He had deep blue eyes with strong cosmic infinity in his look and light curly hair coming to the shoulders. The first impression was: there is something angel like in that man. I started to listen to the interview. I found the man was a murderer, who had just been released from prison. He was there telling, how he was now a totally changed man. I was first impressed. But after listenening to his story a little bit longer, I realized that it all had happened too easily. The story the man was telling was most probably not true. More likely the young man was a full blown psychopath. So this mixture of the infinite value together with different kinds of personalities is really an enigma and can confuse people thoroughly. At least it is good to remember that the presence of the infinite value in a person doesn't make him a better person in relation to others, but he in spite of that may be capable of transmitting that value to others. The thing that has caused a lot of confusion in me with your expressions is because you apparently mean by no `I' actually the infinite value strongly present in a person. I again understand `I' to be the subject, the integrating property of sensations, emotions and thoughts to a whole with a continuity in a person. When this function fails people become severely insane, and when it is weak the person needs continuous confirmation of one's value and `I'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
> > > > You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the > > > Yonified Field. > > > > > > I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in > > > disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being > > > used for anything. :-) > > > > U! Low blow, low blow. Deduct two points from > > Turquois. > > For some reason, Barry has always been obsessed with > fantasies about my sex life. More like hopeful that no one was unfortunate enough to *have* a sex life that involved Judy. I wouldn't wish that on Dick Cheney. Boiling oil or being skinned alive, yes, but there are limits. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With regard to "spiritual teachers plant[ing] the idea that you are > bound so they can sell you the means to become unbound...", it is > like any other advertisement- we don't respond to it unless we > recognize the need for it within ourselves. No one buys that which > they have no need for. Er, well, Madison Avenue would be a bit chagrined to hear that! That's the whole idea behind the basic marketing principle of "creating demand"--make people think they need something whether they do or not. In the case of "selling" a spiritual path, if one believes everyone is in need of becoming unbound, then by definition "buying" the path would be on the basis of recognizing the need. But if you don't believe *anybody* is in need of a path, as this chap seems not to, then it makes perfect sense to assume, as he does, that it's a "created" need. The problem with that view is that it doesn't account for people who recognize the need on their own hook before anybody ever tries to "sell" them on it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:41 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on > > personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding > > of ideas. > > Exactly. > > > And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always > > easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for > > example, on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent > > appears clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not > > to further any particular idea along. > > You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. Translation: Those of us whose modus operandi is dishonesty have repeatedly had to endure being exposed as liars. The nerve! > That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to > her posts. I get plenty of responses to my posts, thank you very much. > It really seems to me to be black and white > thinking. "You're either with us or against us." Says Vaj, uninhibitedly attempting to discern intent, while condemning me for doing the same. Anon: You said Vaj's earlier post was "not making personal attacks. He is not going for 'the kill' -- al la 'and therefore person x is an insipid miserable piece of shit'." I countered that his post was directed specifically at me. Want to rethink your evaluation of his post now? > For but one informative site, check out: > > http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ > > Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. Vaj wasn't around when the discussions immortalized on Andrew Skolnick's hate site were taking place, nor has Vaj had any experience with Skolnick (Andrew wrote the extraordinarily dishonest muck-raking piece in the Journal of the American Medical Association, then took up residence on alt.m.t for some years), so Vaj can perhaps be forgiven for not realizing that Andrew's accounts of what took place on alt.m.t are willfully distorted almost beyond recognition. (Although Vaj and Skolnick are birds of a feather in that regard.) Andrew put that site up because he had such trouble getting away with his lies on alt.m.t. By creating his own site, he didn't have to worry about rebuttal; he could lie until he was blue in the face--and did so, without shame. I consider that site a badge of honor. If anyone wants to pick up something from it about me they consider particularly damning and post it here, I'll be happy to provide the facts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: News from Skem, UK
Just when you thought it was safe to go outside again... Sal On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Ingegerd wrote: Great Idea. Before you talk to people, please check their houses. Thank God that I am not in the Movement any more!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do teachers and guides create the game by first > > > > > disclosing "you are bound and ignorant"? And then further > > > > > the game by saying "and here is the path to get out of > > > > > boundaries and ignorance" ? > > > > > > > > I suspect it varies with the individual. I > > > > had the sense of being "bound" (although I > > > > didn't call it that) long before I ever > > > > encountered any teaching about how to become > > > > unbound. > > > > This is beginning to sound like one of those dualistic discussions > > very similar to the 'Creation vs Evolution' one. > > > > With regard to boundaries vs no boundaries, the reality is a simple > > one, that although the Absolute and Relative exist at all times > > together, before liberation we *subjectively* experience the > > boundaries of our relative existence as predominant in our > > awareness. > > > > After liberation, we *subjectively* experience no boundaries as > > predominant in our awareness. However, pre and post liberation, > > boundaries AND boundless are always there. > > I think his point was that spiritual teachers "plant" > the idea that you are bound so they can "sell" you the > means to become unbound, the implication being that > (in his opinion) it would never occur to you that you > were bound otherwise. > > That may be true for some, but it sure wasn't for me. > > The interesting thing is, though, that in a way he's > right: The only way you can sense that you are bound > is if you also have a sense of being *unbound*, for > contrast. > Right- unless the Self awakens, we have no awareness of our bound state. With regard to "spiritual teachers plant[ing] the idea that you are bound so they can sell you the means to become unbound...", it is like any other advertisement- we don't respond to it unless we recognize the need for it within ourselves. No one buys that which they have no need for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
On Dec 4, 2005, at 12:41 PM, anonymousff wrote:Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding of ideas. Exactly. And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for example, on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent appears clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not to further any particular idea along. You have no idea of what some of us have endured from this person. That's the real reason so many are reluctant to even respond to her posts. It really seems to me to be black and white thinking. "You're either with us or against us."For but one informative site, check out:http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/Unfortunately, it only scratches the surface. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Do teachers and guides create the game by first > > > > disclosing "you are bound and ignorant"? And then further > > > > the game by saying "and here is the path to get out of > > > > boundaries and ignorance" ? > > > > > > I suspect it varies with the individual. I > > > had the sense of being "bound" (although I > > > didn't call it that) long before I ever > > > encountered any teaching about how to become > > > unbound. > > This is beginning to sound like one of those dualistic discussions > very similar to the 'Creation vs Evolution' one. > > With regard to boundaries vs no boundaries, the reality is a simple > one, that although the Absolute and Relative exist at all times > together, before liberation we *subjectively* experience the > boundaries of our relative existence as predominant in our > awareness. > > After liberation, we *subjectively* experience no boundaries as > predominant in our awareness. However, pre and post liberation, > boundaries AND boundless are always there. I think his point was that spiritual teachers "plant" the idea that you are bound so they can "sell" you the means to become unbound, the implication being that (in his opinion) it would never occur to you that you were bound otherwise. That may be true for some, but it sure wasn't for me. The interesting thing is, though, that in a way he's right: The only way you can sense that you are bound is if you also have a sense of being *unbound*, for contrast. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing "you are > > > bound and ignorant"? And then further the game by saying "and here > > > is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance" ? > > > > I suspect it varies with the individual. I > > had the sense of being "bound" (although I > > didn't call it that) long before I ever > > encountered any teaching about how to become > > unbound. This is beginning to sound like one of those dualistic discussions very similar to the 'Creation vs Evolution' one. With regard to boundaries vs no boundaries, the reality is a simple one, that although the Absolute and Relative exist at all times together, before liberation we *subjectively* experience the boundaries of our relative existence as predominant in our awareness. After liberation, we *subjectively* experience no boundaries as predominant in our awareness. However, pre and post liberation, boundaries AND boundless are always there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what it means to be liberated. > > > > > > > > > > And the upside is what? > > > > > > > > > Being successful in every endeavor undertaken, from the > > smallest, > > > > like cooking a delicious dinner, to larger desires, like having > > > > wonderful relationships with others, harmonious family life, > > success > > > > in my career, good health. Come on, it is an infinite list! > > > > > > So being successful is your view of being liberated. > > > > No- you asked me what the upside was. I am answering your question > > in so far as it can be answered. > > So then what is liberation? Every thing you have said is about > fulfillment of desire. What am I missing? Isn't effortless fulfillment of desires enough? (*lol*) Well, having shared some of my personal symptoms of liberation with you, it gets rather dry and repetitive to just state that what liberation is (vs non-liberation) is: 1. the conquering of the self by the Self, or 2. the reality of the unfoldment of the Self, by itself, or 3. the experience of 24X7 freedom in darkness and light, depth and shallows, air and vacuum, inhaling/exhaling, asleep and awake. Why did you ask the question in the first place? > > > > > > > > The point being, think of all of your desires and what it would > > > > be like to fulfill all of them. > > > > > > What if I have no desires? > > > > Then you are dead or non-existent. > > yes. that may be one way of expressing it. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, > > > perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite - and the post > > > focuses on these qualities, often repeatededly, and not the > > > issues raised in the post. And a sense of vengence, > > > vindictiveness and / or retribution often bubbles to the > > > surface in Gotcha posts. > > > > You're talking about *tone*, then. That's pretty > > subjective. > > Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on > personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding of > ideas. > > And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always > easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for example, > on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent appears > clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not to > further any particular idea along. But an idea was the basis of the discussion, i.e., whether the notion of "spiritual incest" justified calling MMY a "pervert" (assuming that he had engaged in sexual activity with followers). That in turn was an offshoot of the discussion of whether "spiritual incest" was an appropriate description in the first place. By way of suggesting that Vaj hadn't meant "pervert" in a sexual sense, Rick posted a batch of definitions of the verb "to pervert" that didn't have anything specifically to do with sexuality. I pointed out that while the verb has a lot of different meanings, the noun "pervert," which is what Vaj had used, has only one, sexual perversion. Vaj than claimed, falsely, that he had meant the term to be inclusive of the other meanings of "to pervert." That was a "gotcha" directed at me, but not only was it false, it had nothing to do with the issue about "spiritual incest." In pointing out that Vaj was not telling the truth, I was attempting to bring the discussion back to the question of whether the notion of "spiritual incest" justified the use of the term "pervert." > > > As in your recent gotcha of Vaj. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 > > > > But you saw nothing vindictive in Vaj's post that > > I was commenting on, right? He wrote: > > > > "Truth is there is too much interest in the 'gotcha games' or just > > generic 'games' for this to stop. It's an old, old pattern. It's > > clear to me, if many posts actually represented stabs at finding > > truth or honest inquiry, we'd see some posts which weren't set > > ups. Of course there are times when there might be a bone thrown > > to keep obsessive chatter goin'. Gotta keep that linear flow. > > Heaven forbid context branches or expands or morphs or shifts!" > > > Well, my view is that Vaj would have been clearer and more effective > by chopping off the last half -- or editing it. But He is focused on > an idea / content -- "gotcha games". He is not making personal > attacks. He is not going for "the kill" -- al la "and therefore > person x is an insipid miserable piece of shit". If Vaj were honest, he'd tell you that was *specifically* directed at me. He's talking about *my* posts. "We'd see some posts which weren't set-ups" gives that game away. And the "linear flow" accusation (canard, actually) is one he's directed at me many times, especially on alt.m.t. I haven't seen him make it in reference to anyone else. > > And in an earlier post you said I seemed "incoherent" > > And your point in the idea that you were presenting did seem > incoherent to me. Thats fair to say -- though I am sure it could be > stated more polititely. A gotcha post would try to make the case > along the lines that, as an EXAMPLE, "Judy Stein is always > incoherent and her ideas should be discarded." I think you're trying to draw a bright line here that doesn't exist. You're vastly oversimplifying, making everything black and white. *Most* of my posts are much more along the lines of "You seem incoherent" than anything like "You're always incoherent and your ideas should be discarded." In fact, I don't think I've *ever* said anything like that. And you also have to look at *context*, which can get quite complex. > > and went on to suggest that I was "steeped in spite, > > hate and retribution." > > While that was not one of my better moments, it appeared to me that > is what you had essentially said, and I was restating it. you had > said, If there's one thing I detest more than dishonesty, it's > hypocrisy." > > I had equated increasing levels of "detest" with "spite" and "hate" > -- and equated "retribution" to your your fairly constant flow > personal attacks on those that in your view are being dishonest and > hypocritical. Oh, please. Even you must realize how weak a dodge this is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from Skem, UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > PROGRESS ON VASTU > > Maharishi is urging us ever more strongly to move into proper Vastu > > as soon as possible. For his latest comments it would be very good > > to watch the weekly press conferences. Two Wednesdays ago > > he actually commented that he didn't want to talk to people in his > > movement if they are not in Vastu as it would be wasting his time! >> > > Does that mean he will talk to Earl Kaplan, Kai Druhl, but won't talk > to me? > > OffWorld Great Idea. Before you talk to people, please check their houses. Thank God that I am not in the Movement any more! Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I have experienced many people with and without the stink of an > > ego. > > > Are all of the latter liberated? All the former bound? > > > > > The stink of ego that you are so familiar with transforms into the > > perfume of Ego in liberation. > > > Just curious? Is that a put down? I can so rarely tell these days. No put down from me. If > so, are you saying I am bound by the stinky ego, but you are so much > more evolved, the elephant, that all egos smell like perfume? Again, no put down from me. I meant that yes, the ego is stinky in ignorance, because it persists in drawing false distinctions between itself and others. I used to refer to it as making oneself taller by standing on the backs of others. However, following liberation,the Ego is transformed into an inclusive unity, Infinite Ego, encompassing everyone and everything, from the atomic to the galactic. And it smells sweet! Just > curious, is that a distiction your ego is making? Does it feel good? Yes, and Yes! > > But I must have misunderstood you. Having ant-brain and all, its hard > sometimes to grasp bit ideas. > You are the only one engaging in this game of put downs. Remember that comic book of superman playing tennis with himself? That is what it reminds me of... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >why
> > > > there are far more ants than elephants.
> > >
> > > And I suppose you are an elephant?
> >
> > Last time I looked in the mirror, I wasn't. You? C'mon, it was
an
> > analogy...
>
> But arn't you implying that the liberated are elephants
> (metaphorically) and the no-liberated are ants? And that you are
> liberated? (And thus like the elephants -- far grander than the
ants?)
Not at all. The analogy was in response to your or some anon
questioning why I had said that spritual seekers were relatively few
in the general population.
Again, you want to hold on to this idea of an elephant being grander
than an ant. This is the small ego making such distinctions. One
learns over time to hold the relative differences of one state of
evolution distinct from another without the small ego
adding, "...and therefore, the more evolved state of evolution is
superior..." Such a thought is untrue.
>
> > > I guess thats the
> > > difference between the first category ("I have no awareness of
> > > boundaries") and the third stage of seekerdom "I have no
awareness
> > of boundaries, EVER".
> >
> > Sounds like bullshit. Of course there are boundaries. Anyone
that
> > doesn't recognize them is not Enlightened, they are *insane*.
>
> Rick answered the question of "I am interested to know what does it
> mean to be liberated?" by answering " Realizing that you were never
> bound."
>
> Do you disagree with his answer? (This thread is build on
responses to
> it.)
I don't disagree with it. I just haven't had that experience. When I
was bound, no one could've convinced me otherwise. The only thing to
say about it is that, yes, the state of freedom is a much more
enjoyable state.
> You and Rick appear to have polar opposite difintions of
liberation.
> Which of you are living what you expouse?
I am describing my experiences. Period.
> Do you often feel that persons with different views as you as
insane?
>
Now, *there's* a wacky question...no, of course not. Anymore than I
would see those with other views as insane.
> > > Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the
seeker, no
> > > seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never
there,
> > no
> > > ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no
> > > superiority, no stories.
>
> > >
> > What reality are you describing? Or is it your fantasy? Sounds
like
> > your fantasy to me.
>
> Funny. Dr. Pete called it a profound insight into liberation. (not
> that I hold that)
>
> Again, what you, Peter, and Rick experience and or talk about
appear
> to be quite different. (Will the real Mr. Liberated please stand
up.)
>
Yes, stand up.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: News from Skem, UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > PROGRESS ON VASTU > Maharishi is urging us ever more strongly to move into proper Vastu > as soon as possible. For his latest comments it would be very good > to watch the weekly press conferences. Two Wednesdays ago > he actually commented that he didn't want to talk to people in his > movement if they are not in Vastu as it would be wasting his time! >> Does that mean he will talk to Earl Kaplan, Kai Druhl, but won't talk to me? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm > > good decsription including some points that were not in my own > experience. Tom T (not Tom Paul) > Great post! Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm > > good decsription including some points that were not in my own > experience. Tom T (not Tom Paul) It also strikes me that some of what this page describes has many of the same features as clinical depression. It makes me wonder whether there may be instances in which someone is diagnosed as depressed when in fact what they're experiencing is this "neither here or there" state MMY refers to--if not as a function of a specific spiritual practice, perhaps simply as a matter of spontaneous evolution of consciousness. In this same light, it may be of interest that quite a few of the former, now strenuously anti-TMers who used to post to alt.meditation.transcendental would repeatedly claim they quit TM because they had begun to experience life as empty and meaningless and had become deeply miserable. Is it possible that at least some of them--many had been long-term TMers--were actually going through this "dark night" experience, having evolved to the "neither here nor there" point but without the necessary intellectual understanding to recognize that it was happening because they were on the brink of CC? Ah, I found the other bit of commentary from MMY I had been thinking of; it follows IV:40: "As the practice of Karma Yoga [TM, in this context] advances, one begins to feel one's Self as separate from activity. This experience brings with it a feeling of confusion. One finds onself active and yet inwardly one feels somewhat aloof from activity. "Doubts begin to arise in the mind, and the intellect seeks for some explanation of the situationWithout proper understanding, even the direct experience of eternal freedom may be found to create confusion and fear." Could this "confusion and fear" be related to the "dark night of the soul" experience? Tom, would you be inclined to say something about your experiences along these lines? (Or anybody else?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] News from Skem, UK
PROGRESS ON VASTU Maharishi is urging us ever more strongly to move into proper Vastu as soon as possible. For his latest comments it would be very good to watch the weekly press conferences. Two Wednesdays ago he actually commented that he didn't want to talk to people in his movement if they are not in Vastu as it would be wasting his time! A marvellous team of volunteers is continuing to work to generate options for the Sidhaland to move its activities to good Vastu. The main thrust of the work is, as Maharishi has advised, is to contact the developers and builders. So far about 20 developers have been contacted. Discussions with about 10 of them have been at senior management level. Two developers have visited the Sid- haland and a third is scheduled for January. These tours are to show our achievements generally and our Maharishi Sthapatya Veda buildings in particular. There is also some emphasis to find a local site, within a 25 minute drive for Sidhaland activities. At least three possible sites and various channels have been under investigation. Another aspect of work is to examine design ideas with a view to getting costs down. This is to enable MES members with relatively low value properties to be able to enjoy a similar size of accom- modation in a new location. If anyone has one to two days a week available with experience in the area of business development to assist the team with developer contact, local searches and other work, please initially con- tact John Collins on 59. More news next week. Jai Guru Dev Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Latest from Farrokh
Farouk Hi, I'm a governor from the UK and via a roundabout route I got your open letter to Michael Dilbeck. I thought I'd send you a quote from another email which I got from Michael Moore. <<< begins>>> Friends, I just thought we should all pause for a moment today to remember the simple act of courage, defiance and dignity committed by Rosa Parks when she refused to move to the back of the bus because the law said she had the wrong skin color. The greatest moments in history, the ones that have truly mattered and have taken us to a better place, are made up of scores of these singular acts by ordinary, everyday people who could no longer tolerate the crap and the nonsense of those in charge. Today, whether it is a student who holds a sit-in to get the army recruiters off his campus, or the mother of a dead soldier who refuses to leave the front gate of the president's ranch, we continue to be saved by brave people who risk ridicule and rejection but end up turning huge tides of public opinion in the direction of righteousness. We owe them enormous debts of gratitude. It is not easy to stand up for what is right, especially when everyone else is afraid to leave the comfortable path of conformity. ... <<<>> Highly relevant in the case of the TM movement don't you think? My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a stand against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type of crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than turn around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it. So I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I could acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science as proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use those insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a very unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's knowledge. When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate reality is of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite Unified Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can be experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one after the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very interesting mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of the deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of space and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have wonderfully elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these ideas at a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and this initial paper will be published next year. Though it's nice to get some appreciation from experts who are utterly disdainful of John Hagelin, much remains to be done. So it will be some time yet before a complete analysis will be possible. The interesting thing is that one can use use Maharishi's knowledge to solve these problems and hence give the knowledge true scientific credibility while at the same time demolishing just about everything John Hagelin has done. One wonders at the intellectual ineptitude that has allowed his ideas to gain credence within the movement. The more I study this field the more I find that his ideas are packed solid with errors of reasoning and elementary maths. I know of many intelligent people within the movement who have their doubts about John Hagelin's ideas and even more doubts about Tony Nader's ideas but fail to speak out for fear of punishment. However I do not think that he and people like him are in any way inherently bad people, it's just that the organisational structure of the movement discourages intelligent thought. It is the culture of fear within the movement that is inimical to genuine scientific enquiry and ultimately that culture of fear has its basis in Maharishi himself. I think that as the movement contracts and becomes ever more ludicrous more and more intelligent sincere people are going to find their voices. People are thinking to themselves "I've kept my gob shut for fear of being chucked out of the movement, but if things carry on as they are then there isn't going to be a movement left to be chucked out of". Little things like your action have big consequences in such an environment. Ultimately, if we are going to create Sat Yuga, then the movement has to be reformed. Arrogance, spitefulness, pseudo-science and pantomime kings have to be removed. Absurd prices and absurd restrictions on teaching will have to go. We have been waiting for a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Debate as focussed on ideas. If there is some incorrect fact or > > logic, or one disagrees with presumptions of the poster, its all > > fine and good to present another view. Or to question what the > > poster meant. > > > > Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, > > perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite - and the post > > focuses on these qualities, often repeatededly, and not the issues > > raised in the post. And a sense of vengence, vindictiveness and / > > or retribution often bubbles to the surface in Gotcha posts. > > You're talking about *tone*, then. That's pretty > subjective. Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding of ideas. And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for example, on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent appears clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not to further any particular idea along. Though imputing motive can be quite a slippery slope and can, if done loosely, lead to perverse and tired accusations. > > As in your recent gotcha of Vaj. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 > > But you saw nothing vindictive in Vaj's post that > I was commenting on, right? He wrote: > > "Truth is there is too much interest in the 'gotcha games' or just > generic 'games' for this to stop. It's an old, old pattern. It's > clear to me, if many posts actually represented stabs at finding > truth or honest inquiry, we'd see some posts which weren't set > ups. Of course there are times when there might be a bone thrown > to keep obsessive chatter goin'. Gotta keep that linear flow. > Heaven forbid context branches or expands or morphs or shifts!" > Well, my view is that Vaj would have been clearer and more effective by chopping off the last half -- or editing it. But He is focused on an idea / content -- "gotcha games". He is not making personal attacks. He is not going for "the kill" -- al la "and therefore person x is an insipid miserable piece of shit". > And in an earlier post you said I seemed "incoherent" And your point in the idea that you were presenting did seem incoherent to me. Thats fair to say -- though I am sure it could be stated more polititely. A gotcha post would try to make the case along the lines that, as an EXAMPLE, "Judy Stein is always incoherent and her ideas should be discarded." > and went on to suggest that I was "steeped in spite, > hate and retribution." While that was not one of my better moments, it appeared to me that is what you had essentially said, and I was restating it. you had said, If there's one thing I detest more than dishonesty, it's hypocrisy." I had equated increasing levels of "detest" with "spite" and "hate" -- and equated "retribution" to your your fairly constant flow personal attacks on those that in your view are being dishonest and hypocritical. I then asked for collective prayers to help you rise above such. > Now, speaking of the subjectivity of evaluation of > tone, you could take what I just wrote as a "gotcha," > OR you could take it as a request for clarification > of your views on appropriate behavior I really don't see how. You said, "That the kind of gotcha game you're talking about, Vaj, where you get caught in a deliberate misrepresentation, er, I mean, an inconsistency?" "(And then pretend not to know that there's an online archive of the posts in question and suggest there's something peculiar about the person who has caught you "saving" all the posts? Did you really think nobody here knew about Google's archive but me and thee?)" "Great fantasy, Vaj. I hope it keeps you warm at night." I don't seeany sincere request for clarifidcation, but a series of snide attacks which appear to purport to show that Vaj is an asshole. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Four Types of Mukti was: definition of liberated
Excerpted from discourse Lessons in Vedanta, by Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/bhaktimala/junejuly98/lessonsinvedanta32.htm Jaya Guru Datta Four types of Mukti Q. You say that being devoid of body is Mukti. Some people say that some ÔliberatedÕ souls are shining in the sky in the form of heavenly stars. Which one of the above is correct? Both are correct. The scriptures mention four kinds of Mukti. They are: Saalokya Mukti : When a devotee worships a particular god, he will ultimately obtain a place in the heavenly abode of that particular god. This is called as ÔSaalokya MuktiÕ. The method of worship followed here is called as ÔCharyaÕ. It is a method in which the seeker considers himself a slave and the god as the Supreme Lord. Saaroopya Mukti : A devotee practising even more intense devotion will not only obtain a place in the heavenly abode, but will also acquire the qualities of the god he worships. The method of worship followed here is called as ÔKriyaÕ. Kriya here means performing Pooja, Homa and other rituals. Saameepya Mukti: If the worship is even more intense, the seeker will not only acquire the qualities of the god he worships, but will also gain a godly form and a place very near to God. This method is called ÔYogaÕ. Here Yoga means the eight steps of Ashtanga Yoga. Saayujya Mukti : When the worships transcends the Saguna form and reaches the Nirguna form, the seeker will realise that Jeevatma and Paramatma are one and the same. This is called Saayujya Mukti. The instrument to obtain this is ÔJnanaÕ. Jnana means realising the Atma Tattva with the help of Nitya Anitya Vastu Viveka. The first three are not important. Although they are referred to as Mukti, the real meaning of Mukti is not reflected by them because those three kinds of Mukti are not permanent. Also, in each of the three, the Jeevi will be having some sort of form. After the merit is exhausted, he will lose the celestial body and will again take birth as a mortal. The fourth type of Mukti is different. In this, the Jeevi will not have a body and will not have another birth either. Only this should be considered as real Mukti. The term Yoga also conveys two meanings. One meaning is described above. The other meaning is Ôto realise the oneness of the Nirguna Parabrahma and JeevatmaÕ. It is to stress this meaning that several scriptures have declared ÔAtma Darshana is possible only through YogaÕ. For instance, the Bhagavad-Gita says : Ayam hi paramo dharmah yadyoge naatmadarshanam (achieving Atma Darshana through Yoga is the greatest Dharma). In such contexts, the second meaning should be considered. Q. You say that Moksha is possible only if there is no (identification with the) body. You have also said that if there is a body, there is pain and pleasure. It means that in the Moksha described by you, there is neither the body nor pain and pleasure. Can we then assume that the ÔMokshaÕ described by you is a ÔshoonyaÕ(zero)? Moksha is not nothingness. Let us see why. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > Moksha: liberation, final emancipation of the soul from the cycle of births and deaths Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > Jaya Guru Deva Datta >From Gita: http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/bhaktimala/oct2000/gitajoct2000.html Lessons from Bhagavad Gita - 84 (From the discourses of Pujya Sri Swamiji) "Knowing these paths, O Partha, no yogi is deluded. Therefore, O Arjuna, at all times be steadfast in Yoga". (27-VIII) The yogi who has known these two paths, the bright and the dark, is not deluded. He knows and is fully convinced that the dark path leads to Samsara or worldly bondage and the bright path to liberation. So he rejects the dark path and takes up the bright one which will lead him to immortality. He who goes along with the bright path has to take to the practice of yoga seriously. This path consists of penance, self-control, knowledge, celibacy, meditation etc. The practice of these disciplines will help him in gaining perfect control over his mind. Therefore the Lord advises Arjuna to be a yogi and absorb himself in God-consciousness. "Having known this, the Yogi transcends all merits accruing from the study of the Vedas, sacrifices, austerities and gifts, and reaches the Primordial Supreme State." (28-VIII) The scriptures declare that a man who performs sacrifices (Yajnas), austerities, study of the Vedas, giving away charities to the needy etc., earns lot of merit (Punya). But if he performs those actions with the selfish idea of enjoying the results, he may go to heavenly worlds and enjoy the fruits of his actions. but as soon as the merits are exhausted he will have to take birth again into this world of bondage and miseries. The yogi is fully aware of the fact that desire-motivated actions, however noble, cannot give him Mukti (liberation) as they will only keep him in the path which will bring him back to this worldly existence. Therefore by renouncing the fruit he performs all his actions as a dedication to God. As such he attains to the Primordial Abode of the Supreme Godhead. Therefore whatever a man does must be in strict consonance with the path of Yoga. Yoga means freedom from attachment to enjoyment and equanimity with regard to happiness and misery. Anyone can become a yogi by proper discipline to the mind and performing the right kind of action. Thus ends the eighth chapter entitled ÔAkshara Brahma YogaÕ. Now begins the ninth chapter of the Bhagavad Gita. The title of this chapter is ÔRaja Vidya Rajaguhya YogaÕ, the Yoga of Sovereign Science and Sovereign Secret. ÔRaja VidyaÕ means sovereign science and ÔRaja GuhyaÕ means sovereign secret. In short it means supreme knowledge and supreme secret. In the eighth chapter in verses 8 and 9, the Lord spoke about the system of Yoga in which the Yogi has to control the senses and confine the mind in the heart. Then he has to fix his life-breath in the head by making it pass through the middle chord Ð Sushumna. Holding it there steadily and uttering the monosyllabic ÔAumÕ, the Yogi leaves the body. Such a Yogi reaches the Supreme Brahman in due course of time by successively reaching the realms of deities of fire, light etc. This attainment of liberation by stages is called Krama Mukti (gradual liberation). In this connection, some people may think that the attainment of Brahman is possible only through the aforesaid process and not through any other. In order to obviate such an apprehension the Lord said as follows: "Now I shall reveal to you, who do not cavil, this profoundest secret combined with realization, by knowing which you shall be freed from all evil." (1-IX) Brahma Jnana, the knowledge of the Supreme Being, is the profoundest secret (guhyatamam). This knowledge combined with its direct experience brings liberation from all evils. Theoretical knowledge obtained from the study of scriptures is referred to as Jnana. This knowledge is indirect. Vijnana is the direct experience of the truth enshrined in the scriptures through intuition. This direct experience is ÔAparokshaÕ. When one learns from others that sugar is sweet his knowledge is indirect. But when he tastes the sugar and finds out by himself that it is sweet his knowledge is ÔAparokshaÕ (direct experience). Brahma Jnana can not be grasped by those who are not pure at heart. To them who are selfish and full of jealousy this knowledge is the supreme secret. It is beyond their understanding. One may possess lot of intelligence and other qualifications, but unless one is free from envy (Asuya) one can not realize the truth. Of all the bad qualities envy is the worst as it is the source of all evils. People generally take delight in finding fault with others. They see evil even in good things. Arjuna did not have this quality and so he was entitled to receive this secret knowledge from the Lord. And the Lord is going to reveal that to him. "This (the know
[FairfieldLife] How Shukra (Venus) came into being through Shiva and Parvati's play
The summary of the discourse from Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamii's Shivaratri discourse in 2000. Jaya Guru Datta Lord Shiva, who was residing in Kashi was invited by the god of Mandara Parvata (Parvata=Mountain) to reside on him. Lord Shiva acceded to his request and stayed in Mandara Parvata for a while. Mandara here does not refer to the one in the Himalayan range. It is situated in the Ksheera Samudra (ocean of milk), in the Shimshumara Chakra. Shiva was spending his time on the Mandara Parvata. One day, Parvati, wanting to play with him, came from behind and closed his eyes with her palms. Shiva was meditating deeply and did not move. All of a sudden, a monstrous baby appeared in front of them. He was crying loudly. Parvati immediately realised that this baby was born out of her sweat. Lord Shiva slowly opened his eyes. Parvati now realised that Lord Shiva was all the while engrossed in deep meditation. She lifted the baby from the ground and held it in her arms. The baby was blind. "Who is this?"- she asked Lord Shiva. "He is your son. He was born when you closed my eyes. Therefore he has become blind. Let us therefore name him ÔAndhakaÕ " replied Lord Shiva. "You take care of him now. I will not touch him now" said Shiva. Because the child possessed evil characters, the Shiva Ganas(troupes of Shiva) started calling him ÔAndhakasuraÕ. However, Andhakasura had immense love for his parents. As he was born blind, he had no idea what they looked like. Those were the days when the demon duo of Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu were tormenting the world. Although they worked in tandem while tormenting the world, they had their differences too. Hiranyakashipu, the younger brother became a father. The elder brother Hiranyaksha had no children. His wife started pestering him. Unable to bear her pressure, he began penance to please Lord Shiva. When Shiva, being pleased with his penance, appeared before him, Hiranyaksha said, "O Lord, my younger brother has children. I have none. Please bless me with a son who will not only take care of our kingdom, but will also extend it." Lord Shiva said "You do not have the qualification to get a progeny. Therefore, I will give you my son Andhakasura. Though he is blind by birth, he possesses enormous strength. Take him with you". Hiranyaksha brought Andhakasura home. Initially his wife did not show any love for the boy. However, in due course of time, on account of ShivaÕs Maya, she developed love for Andhakasura and started looking after him well. After some time, Hiranyaksha was killed by Lord Vishnu, who took the Varaha incarnation. Andhaka and his mother took refuge in Hiranyakashipu. In due course of time, he was killed by Lord Narasimha. Hiranyakashipu died even before he had nominated his successor. Narasimha Swamy made Prahlada the king and returned to Vaikuntha. The five brothers of Prahlada did not give Andhakasura his due share of the kingdom and instead, started teasing him for his blindness. Andhakasura became frustrated. He started a Homa in which he offered bits of his own flesh. Even after most of his flesh was exhausted, no one came to give him a boon. Finally he decided to jump in to the fire pit himself. The Devatas (godheads) became frightened and begged Lord Brahma to grant Andhakasura a boon to ensure that he stopped the frightful Homa. Andhakasura requested Brahma to grant him extraordinary vision. He further desired that even Indra should obey him. Finally, he asked that he should not be killed by anyone. To this, Brahma suggested that it was better for Andhakasura to seek a boon whereby he could decide when to die. Andhakasura asked that he should die when he aspires for such a woman who should never be aspired for. Brahma granted the boon and said, "may you win over the brave". By the power of BrahmaÕs boon, Andhakasura became stronger and brighter. By the time he returned to his kingdom, his cousin brothers had changed. They were friendly with him now. Accompanied by his cousin brothers, he conquered the heaven. Gradually Andhakasura became more and more engaged in materialistic pleasures. He gave up even his regular austerities. Once he went to Mount Mandara on a pleasure trip. The children of his ministers, who had accompanied him brought a message for him. "O King! A sage lives nearby. He is full of youth. But he has long hair. He is sparsely dressed. He is frightening to look at. But he sports the moon on this head. His body is smeared with ash. He has snakes around his neck and head. What is more important is that he has a very pretty wife. We do not wish to say anything more" Immediately Andhakasura ordered his servants to bring her to him at once. They went to the sage (who in fact was Shiva Himself) and asked him to hand over his wife to their king. Lord Shiva immediately remembered the boon of Brahma. He understood that Andhakasura was nearing his dea
[FairfieldLife] Satyam..."Everyone is under the illusion that he is a sadhaka"
The story jumps to conversation with a Dandaswamy who comes to ask Satyam.. Dandaswamy momentarily opened his eyes and closed them again. Recollecting the story he had heard on "The Truth", he said, "Guru, the compassionate, I am blessed." A moment later he said, "If you permit me -" and stopped. One could see that he had some doubt. "What is the doubt you have? Please tell me," Swamy asked. "However much I try, I could visualise only your external actions. I could not see your internal actions and thoughts." "What have you seen in it so far?" "The power of God assisting you in every step of your sadhana." "True, Why do you think that Divine power took all that trouble?" "That is your greatness." "Wrong. When one is a sadhaka, there is no question of greatness. You heard the answer given by Ganapathi at the end. The one who preaches and guides you will take care of your sadhana. You need to know two things, 1)to do what is told and 2)to realise that "HE" only knows what to tell us." "True, I have read it in the sastras but not realised it. I was wrong." "This body is old by two "Pushkaras(33)". Its native place is Bommeparti, a village. It has spent its childhood at the Anjaneya temple at the village. Its father, in his priestly duties had to go to Gondireddy Palle. The Shiva temple in that village became its playground. Sangameshwara temple at the birthplace of Mekedatu was its centre for pilgrimage during the school holidays. The first 12 years were spent in this pattern in these three places. The contact with the God in these three places was not due to any personal physical efforts of this body, it was after all still in childhood. The next pushkara had its residence at Champakadameswara temple in Bannerugatta. Shiva temple in Proddatur. The Shiva and Vishnu temple at Nusam, Shiva temples at Anantapur and Kandakur, the Narasimha temple and Chamundi Vanam at Mysore became its playgrounds. At Proddatur without any effort on its part this body got association with the Satsang group. Like this, this body spent its time always near the vicinity of God, temple and Divine people. The Divine power in association with the power given by "Mother" assisted in my sadhana. The two forces were mutually assisting in my efforts. The root cause for this blessing is "Gurukrupa(34)" which comes from devotion to the Guru. You should concentrate on this point. "Your command. I will be careful. I have another doubt to clarify." "Ask." "I could not visualise the plan of thought inside you. From what I have seen, I feel that your path is mainly "The path of Yoga". (smilingly). "I understand you think that this body is following the path of "Ashtasiddhi(35)". I am pleased by your questions. Every atom has to finally reach the state of "Atman". Upasana has to start with worship of the Lord with qualities, ie "Sagunopasana." It should progress to the worship of Lord with no qualities, ie: "Nirgunopasana." The one should go to state of worship beyond the "Nirgunopasana", which is actually merging with the Lord. But, my followers are mostly those who follow the path of "Sagunopasana". That is why you are able to see more qualities in our Upasana. 80% of this "Avatara" is for assisting those who are in distress and for those who pray for wealth. Only 20% is for assisting those sadhakas who follow the path of "Adyatmika sadhana(36)". The problem I have now is in collecting those sadhakas who could use the remaining 20% of this "Avatara." Where can one find sadhaka? Everyone is under the illusion that he is a sadhaka and he is conducting sadhana. He is not only cheating himself but is trying to cheat the Guru as well. My first duty is to destroy that illusion. It is a hard task. The rest of 80% of the "Avatara will be like a poet for poets, a businessman for merchants, saviour to those in distress, the mother for a child, a doctor to the patients, scientific knowledge for scientists, a comedian for the children, punisher for those who cheat, protector for those who take shelter, light of hope for those who want to reach the God, strength for the weak, Upasaka for pundits, saviour to sinners, guide for those in the Divine path, a walking stick for those in confusion, an illusionist, Guru for the world." It has plans ahead for many more such acts. Whatever we want to get from Swamy depends upon the intention with which we approach him. You came with the intention of learning "Atma Vidya". (The knowledge of the Self). That is why you were able to see "IT" in what you visualised. You wanted to know what my path was. It is a good thought. The present generation of sadhakas think that they can have divine vision without any external support. In what you visualised so far, one person asked me, "Do you worship Yakshini?" He is an ordinary person but his imagination is far fetched. Another great person asked me in the stree
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 12/3/05 2:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > I wouldn't askyou to doubt a friend, but I DO ask > > you to wonder why > > > they bother talking about it to you? Is it the > > thrill of revealing > > > they slept with a celebrity? Or is it bitterness > > and remorse? Or what? > > > > > > Do your female friends normally talk about people > > they slept with > > > decades ago? > > > > Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. > > Maharishi isn't "people." > > When Rick initiated me in 1972, as I came out of my > first meditation, I think he made a pass at me. There > was a flash of arms and a beard...no, it must have > been an LSD flashback. Never mind.> No, I believe you Dr. Pete. I am starting a website to promote this cause. The world needs to know about Rick and his 'spiritual incest'. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > No, I thought you mean't what is considered a credible quote. > > > Obviously something that is gossip and is not published cannot be > > > considered to have any credibility. > > Does that mean that The National Enquirer is credible because it is > published?>>> I don't know that paper. Do they publish unproven gossip about celebreties that they could get sued for? In addition, does a rational educated person take that newspaper seriously? > > How about the constant placing of manufactured news in the U.S. press and now in the Iraq press. That's published-does it make it credible>>> See my other post about uncredible sources. It seems that your criteria for 'credible' is whatever you feel you want to believe, not credible published statements from the people who were there. Are you a TB for unsupported gossip? > > Doesn't truth prevail even if/when not published? > > > > > > > If your sister or a trusted friend told you something, would you > believe it > > even though it wasn't published? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Swami G's response to Dr. Pete
Rick, who the hell is this Swami G ? The response to my wise-ass, joking post is as funny as his/her other posts. The arrogance, and lack of humor, is amazing. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Posted from anon poster: > > Namaste - > > this man has a Ph.D.: > > G: and ? > > > *I see dead people. Am I special? > > G: psychic if you want to see it as special > be my guest... > > *I must be in some way. > > G:so what is he doing with it ? what Peace is in > place ? > > * Maybe some day I can be as special as Swami > G., > or at least as special as she sees herself. > > G:where is he coming from with this ? he may see > dead people but > has no clue about what Realization or > Non-duality means > i have never claimed to be *special* what is > *special* in > Non-duality ? When there is no higher or > lower > only that Singular Essence ? since he is > claiming to be > a special person then he is much more special > than what > is here... > Realization takes one to being Ordinary > without masks > without coverings - transparent .. it has no > *specialness* > within it > > maha shanti om > 0 > __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I suspect Judy's high minded, passive agressive > > > response will be " > > > Well, if you don't care about lying and > distortions > > > on this list, and > > > life in general, well, well, I feel sorry for > you." > > > > > > No, we don't care about what you interpret > endlessly > > > as "lying and > > > distortions." We have a brian, we can make our > own > > > assessments. > > > > Ha! You said "brian!" instead of "brain". > Gotcha!!! Ha > > Ha Ha! > > > > No, Brian is the name of the main voice inside my > head. Of course > there is also Fred, Omar, Jean-Luc, Astrid, Ramur > and Closters. > > What are the names of your voices. Anon, Vaj, Off-World, Author'sfriend, Tom P., Tom T. Rick, Fred, Winkie, Biltmore, Grable, Lincoln, President Bush and Atomic sit-up. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click > and talk back! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > No, I thought you mean't what is considered a credible quote. > > Obviously something that is gossip and is not published cannot be > > considered to have any credibility. > > If your sister or a trusted friend told you something, would you believe it > even though it wasn't published?>> My sister or trusted friend has not told me these things, therefore it remains in the realm of gossip, as it does for the rest of the world. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FW: Swami G's response to Dr. Pete
Title: FW: Swami G's response to Dr. Pete Posted from anon poster: Namaste - this man has a Ph.D.: G: and ? * I see dead people. Am I special? G: psychic if you want to see it as special be my guest... * I must be in some way. G: so what is he doing with it ? what Peace is in place ? * Maybe some day I can be as special as Swami G., or at least as special as she sees herself. G: where is he coming from with this ? he may see dead people but has no clue about what Realization or Non-duality means i have never claimed to be *special* what is *special* in Non-duality ? When there is no higher or lower only that Singular Essence ? since he is claiming to be a special person then he is much more special than what is here... Realization takes one to being Ordinary without masks without coverings - transparent .. it has no *specialness* within it maha shanti om 0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Or a politician. Or a faculty member at MUM. Sal On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:28 AM, anonymousff wrote: Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Do you *never* get tired of this nonsense, Barry? You mean you can't even accept an apology graciously? If Judy's posts, or anyone else's, bother you so much, why not just delete them? I know, I could do the same with yours, but the steady stream of insults for the last half-dozen posts or so just got to me, I guess. Sal On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:39 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: False apology accepted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries > > > > not only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him > > > > or have publicised it in some way. > > > > > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of > > > MMY's secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY > > > has has numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is > > > how you interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or > > > as I asked, it some obsure form of humor I am missing? > > > > Is this not an example of a "gotcha"? > > Not in my book. > > Debate as focussed on ideas. If there is some incorrect fact or > logic, or one disagrees with presumptions of the poster, its all > fine and good to present another view. Or to question what the > poster meant. > > Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, > perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite - and the post > focuses on these qualities, often repeatededly, and not the issues > raised in the post. And a sense of vengence, vindictiveness and / > or retribution often bubbles to the surface in Gotcha posts. You're talking about *tone*, then. That's pretty subjective. > As in your recent gotcha of Vaj. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 But you saw nothing vindictive in Vaj's post that I was commenting on, right? He wrote: "Truth is there is too much interest in the 'gotcha games' or just generic 'games' for this to stop. It's an old, old pattern. It's clear to me, if many posts actually represented stabs at finding truth or honest inquiry, we'd see some posts which weren't set ups. Of course there are times when there might be a bone thrown to keep obsessive chatter goin'. Gotta keep that linear flow. Heaven forbid context branches or expands or morphs or shifts!" > Frankly, I was confused by spraigs post above and in seeking some > balance may have gone too far in focusing on Spraig, "How bizzare > that this is how you interpret what rick has said -- a number of > times." In a re-writing I would leave that line out. Well, OK, but that was your first impulse, to suggest that what he said was "perverse." And in an earlier post you said I seemed "incoherent" and went on to suggest that I was "steeped in spite, hate and retribution." Now, speaking of the subjectivity of evaluation of tone, you could take what I just wrote as a "gotcha," OR you could take it as a request for clarification of your views on appropriate behavior, given that you *appear* to be displaying the very behavior you're railing against. But perhaps this is some obscure form of humor that I am missing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm > > good decsription including some points that were not in my own > experience. Tom T (not Tom Paul) >From this description: "...You find yourself somehow painfully on the outside. You feel caught between your old way of living, your old tendencies and associations, and this nebulous, unreachable realm of higher consciousness. "You feel an exile in both places. You don't belong in the old pastimes. in the old empty or numbing way of life, yet you somehow can't fit in or feel at home in the fellowship of those who talk naturally of the higher consciousness and its reality" Reminds me of a bit of MMY's commentary in his Gita translation. The context is a question from Arjuna: What goal does he reach, O Krishna, who is not perfected in Yoga, being endowed with faith, yet lacking effort, his mind strayed from Yoga? Deluded on the path to Brahman, O mighty-armed, without foothold and fallen from both, does he not perish like a broken cloud? (VI:37-38) Maharishi comments, in part: "Arjuna is aware of different levels of consciousness and of the different states of life that correspond to them. He is also aware that when a man's consciousness evolves from one level to another, the life of the previous level becomes useless to him. "His question is about one who, as the result of a certain amount of practice, has risen above the level of ordinary human consciousness but who has not yet attained cosmic consciousness "Such a man has lost ground on the human level but has as yet no foothold on the divine level. He is neither here nor there" The context is different in that MMY is talking about someone who has stopped practicing, but it seems to me relevant to the "dark night" experience because the sense of being neither here might well cause one to become so discouraged about their progress that they would give up their practice. There's another bit of commentary in an earlier chapter that discusses this sort of thing as well; as I recall, it's in the context of the need for intellectual understanding of the experience of dawning CC, which can initially make one feel lost and empty, according to MMY. I'll see if I can find it later today. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Man lives without food or drink
Note: forwarded message attached. Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html The Times 26-Nov-03 Guru 'lives without food or water' >From Catherine Philp in Delhi Jani: astounded doctors FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing Indian guru has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has survived nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent damage to his health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at the weekend after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to disproving his claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by closed-circuit cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove nor disprove his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are baffled. Sudhir Shah, the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: âHe has evidence of the formation of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made the journey to Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after being challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or water for decades. He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the goddess Ambaji Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with CCTV cameras to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was sealed to test his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only fluid that he was allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise after seven days, but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect health. At the end of ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors continued to puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, yet to be tested by the doctors. âI get the elixir of life from the hole in my palate, which enables me to go without food and water,â? he said. Â Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions . Please read our Privacy Policy . To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, visit the Syndication website . __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Begin Message --- Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-908260,00.html The Times 26-Nov-03 Guru 'lives without food or water' >From Catherine Philp in Delhi Jani: astounded doctors FORGET David Blaine and his mere 44 days of fasting: an ageing Indian guru has handed himself over to doctors to prove his claim that he has survived nearly seven decades without food or water with no apparent damage to his health. Prahlad Jani, 76, emerged from hospital in Ahmadabad at the weekend after ten days of close surveillance, with doctors no closer to disproving his claim. During his time locked in a glass room watched over by closed-circuit cameras, he was not seen to eat Although they can neither prove nor disprove his claim to have lasted this way for decades, doctors are baffled. Sudhir Shah, the neurologist who oversaw the test, said: “He has evidence of the formation of urine, which was reabsorbed on his bladder wall. Mr Jani made the journey to Ahmadabad from the remote cave where he lives as a hermit after being challenged to prove his claim of having gone without food or water for decades. He claims that his talent is the result of a blessing from the goddess Ambaji Doctors had prepared a special glass-walled room equipped with CCTV cameras to monitor his activities. The lavatory adjacent to the room was sealed to test his claim that he had no need to urinate or defecate. The only fluid that he was allowed was a smal Doctors had intended to halt the exercise after seven days, but carried on after tests showed Mr Jani to be in perfect health. At the end of ten days, he left the hospital as a team of more than 40 doctors continued to puzzle over his condition. Mr Jani offered his own explanation, yet to be tested by the doctors. “I get the elixir of life from the hole in my palate, which enables me to go without food and water,” he said. Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' stand
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha, etc
Ha ha you flaming nobody, I just did it to expose you. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You lilied-livered, transcendental apologist! I knew > you were going to say that! Ha! > > --- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Frankly, I'm finding the gratuitous insults more > > disgusting than the gotcha posts. > > > > L B S > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > Yahoo! your home page > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > ~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > __ > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > > > publicised it in some way. > > > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of MMY's > > secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has > > numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you > > interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I asked, it > > some obsure form of humor I am missing? > > Is this not an example of a "gotcha"? Not in my book. Debate as focussed on ideas. If there is some incorrect fact or logic, or one disagrees with presumptions of the poster, its all fine and good to present another view. Or to question what the poster meant. Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite - and the post focuses on these qualities, often repeatededly, and not the issues raised in the post. And a sense of vengence, vindictiveness and / or retribution often bubbles to the surface in Gotcha posts. As in your recent gotcha of Vaj. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 Frankly, I was confused by spraigs post above and in seeking some balance may have gone too far in focusing on Spraig, "How bizzare that this is how you interpret what rick has said -- a number of times." In a re-writing I would leave that line out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I suspect Judy's high minded, passive agressive > > response will be " > > Well, if you don't care about lying and distortions > > on this list, and > > life in general, well, well, I feel sorry for you." > > > > No, we don't care about what you interpret endlessly > > as "lying and > > distortions." We have a brian, we can make our own > > assessments. > > Ha! You said "brian!" instead of "brain". Gotcha!!! Ha > Ha Ha! > No, Brian is the name of the main voice inside my head. Of course there is also Fred, Omar, Jean-Luc, Astrid, Ramur and Closters. What are the names of your voices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dark night of the soul described
http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm good decsription including some points that were not in my own experience. Tom T (not Tom Paul) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > In any other context than dumping on me or > > another > > > > committed TMer (as I've observed before in > > similar > > > > contexts), Barry would insist that behavior is > > not > > > > an indication of spiritual development. > > > > > > You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the > > Yonified Field. > > > > I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in > > disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being > > used for anything. :-) > > U! Low blow, low blow. Deduct two points from > Turquois. For some reason, Barry has always been obsessed with fantasies about my sex life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > [snip] > > > Speaking of cognitive dissonance... > > > > > > > Thank goodness there are other posters here like Tom > > > > and Rick and Vaj > > [snip] > > > > > And we all know what a brilliant example of "the > > > spiritual life" Tom represents. Innocence and > > > brightness and joy personified. From Tom's > > > latest: > > > > > > "Should you wish to make an ass out of yourself by > > > responding, do it amongst yourself. I don't read FFL > > > and I have the fools' email addresses blocked. I have > > > filters set up with my ISP such that if you try to do > > > an end run by sending me something nasty from another > > > email address, your email will get trashed when it > > > hits my ISP. Besides that, may God bless and keep you." > > > > Keep in mind that Tom Pall is not the only Tom who posts here. I'd > > wager that Barry was referring to Tom Traynor, whose posts are > > nothing like Tom Pall's except that they're written in English. > > Exactly. Judy knew that, too Um, no, Judy didn't know that. You've defended Tom Pall in the past, if you'll recall. ; she was just > desparate for some invective, so picked a > 'Tom' who would raise more hackles. > > One wonders if she tortures small animals > when she's not posting here. :-) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > Speaking of cognitive dissonance... > > > > > > > > > Thank goodness there are other posters here like Tom > > > > > and Rick and Vaj > > > [snip] > > > > > > > And we all know what a brilliant example of "the > > > > spiritual life" Tom represents. Innocence and > > > > brightness and joy personified. From Tom's > > > > latest: > > > > > > > > "Should you wish to make an ass out of yourself by > > > > responding, do it amongst yourself. I don't read FFL > > > > and I have the fools' email addresses blocked. I have > > > > filters set up with my ISP such that if you try to do > > > > an end run by sending me something nasty from another > > > > email address, your email will get trashed when it > > > > hits my ISP. Besides that, may God bless and keep you." > > > > > > Keep in mind that Tom Pall is not the only Tom who posts here. > I'd > > > wager that Barry was referring to Tom Traynor, whose posts are > > > nothing like Tom Pall's except that they're written in English. > > > > You're probably quite right (at least, I hope you are). > > I take it all back, with apologies to Tom Traynor and > > Barry both. > > False apology accepted. Not false, sorry to disappoint you. > > But to tell the truth, I find Tom Pall's posts > more positive than yours. At least he can > balance his stream of hatred-consciousness > with occasional positivity. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > > publicised it in some way. > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of MMY's > secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has > numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you > interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I asked, it > some obsure form of humor I am missing? Is this not an example of a "gotcha"? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > In any other context than dumping on me or > another > > > committed TMer (as I've observed before in > similar > > > contexts), Barry would insist that behavior is > not > > > an indication of spiritual development. > > > > You are manifesting the bitchy aspect of the > Yonified Field. > > I think her Yoni dried up and withered away in > disgust decades ago; it certainly wasn't being > used for anything. :-) U! Low blow, low blow. Deduct two points from Turquois. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop > AIDS now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, we don't care about what you interpret endlessly as "lying and > distortions." We have a brian, we can make our own assessments. In the instance in question, you'd have had no way to make your own assessment. Vaj was misrepresenting something he had said on alt.m.t, not here. And he was using that misrepresentation as a "gotcha" against me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > And persons c-zz yawn again and say, "you gotta be kidding. This is > > > important to you? Why cant we focus on real issues?" > > > > I'm sorry you feel that dishonesty among the > > participants of this forum (or anywhere else, > > for that matter) isn't a real issue. > > > > I beg to differ. > > > > I would also bet my bottom dollar that if you > > knew someone had lied in response to a post > > of yours, we'd never hear the end of it. > > People miscast or misinterpret what I write all the time. Often I > simply drop it. Or seek clarification. That isn't what I'm talking about at all. Read what I wrote again, please. > > And further, that if that person then made a > > post decrying "gotcha" games, you would go > > ballistic. > > Any one decrying gotta games has got my vote. You seem quite > incoherent here -- or are making a joke I don't get, to think that > would make me go ballistic. You'd spot the self-serving nature of such a post right away, and you'd pounce on it. > > If there's one thing I detest more than > > dishonesty, it's hypocrisy. > > Well I am sorry that you are, so it seems, so steeped in spite, hate > and retribution. Maybe it will pass. We can only collectively pray. Uh, how do you equate detesting hypocrisy with spite, hate, and retribution? Look, your whole "gotcha game" characterization is off base to start with. Debate is by its very nature a "gotcha game." And you, of all people, can hardly say you want to do away with *debate* on this forum. You're debating me in this very exchange, for example. You debate *a lot* here, and a great deal of your debate involves the very "gotcha games" you're claiming to "vote" against. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Peter wrote: > > > > >> > >> I suspect Judy's high minded, passive agressive > >> response will be " > >> Well, if you don't care about lying and > distortions > >> on this list, and > >> life in general, well, well, I feel sorry for > you." > >> > >> No, we don't care about what you interpret > endlessly > >> as "lying and > >> distortions." We have a brian, we can make our > own > >> assessments. > > > > Ha! You said "brian!" instead of "brain". > Gotcha!!! Ha > > Ha Ha! > > > > It's obvious from all the intentional and additional > whitespace in > your clipping you never even bothered to recertify! yes, my samadhi was so deep and special that MMY told me, ME, that there was no need to recertify. > > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
