[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: Big snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual experience of CC. Because your experience is different, or just because of the writing style?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Handed out on one of the TTCs. I think La Antilla Thanks Rick! One of the best posts I've seen on FFL. Really clearly defined, well

Re: [FairfieldLife] 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no?On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote:This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual "experience" of CC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224

2006-01-07 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It starter millions on the path of spirituality. MMY did a great job. He said in 1974 when asked if he was the Maitreya that he was the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4224

2006-01-07 Thread Richard J. Williams
If it takes 30 years to figure out that TM does not get you enlightened then you know it is not increasing your IQ! TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has my vote as Best FFL Quote of 2006 so far. :-) Maharishi said as much back in 1968: It is not the technique of

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions that don't seem very relevent to CC. Most of these 20 questions strike me as a

[FairfieldLife] How can we understand uneven development in teachers?

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 -    "Things are not as they seem,     nor are they otherwise"                             --a Buddhist Sutra To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do  was make a connection between spiritual growth and  practical daily behavior. It turned out to be a tougher  connection than I ever imagined it would be. That's because, IMO, TM as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions

[FairfieldLife] Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: An old politician who had been a chicken

[FairfieldLife] Re: How can we understand uneven development in teachers?

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 - Things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise --a Buddhist Sutra Unless you are Elsewhere.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not La Antilla. I love how Jim and I have opposite responses to this post! (Hehehehe) Peter, didn't you get the astral memo from Ramana Maharshi on The Strict Conformance of Enlightenened Thoughts and Actions? I'll

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev biography

2006-01-07 Thread Richard J. Williams
Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An on-line version of a Guru Dev biography has been made freely available by Delhi Photo Company. http://www.shrigurudevji.com/article.asp?article=quotations Thanks for the link, Paul - I wonder when the respondents here will get around to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do was make a connection between spiritual growth and practical daily behavior. It turned out to be a tougher

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list

[FairfieldLife] Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: An old politician who had been a chicken

[FairfieldLife] Re: How can we understand uneven development in teachers?

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 - Things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise --a Buddhist Sutra I'm not a buddha-istic person,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for pseudoscience. In his case the prize was awarded for his experimental conclusion

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
Part of this is completely false and misleading. Hagelin's groundbreaking work started BECAUSE he linked MMY's Vedic Cosmology to Western Science. After some discussions with MMY in Switzerland, Hagelin started sifting through existing theories, looking for one that best fit MMY's

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining welfare as depicted in his published biographies (listed below),

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread shempmcgurk
Vaj: How do you incorporate hyperlinks in your text? It really works great! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It is also obvious that *somehow* money flowed into the math at Jyotirmath. Gurudev may have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On a Mac you just paste text as html.On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:40 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:Vaj: How do you incorporate hyperlinks in your text?  It really works  great! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for   "achievements" that "cannot, or should not, be reproduced", i.e.,  for   pseudoscience. In his case the prize was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have little expertise in the field they are spouting about. Quoting from it will take you 6

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:47 AM, off_world_beings wrote: Wikepedia is the biggest crock of shit. Half of it written by halfwits who have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj: How do you incorporate hyperlinks in your text? It really works great! On a PC, click in the Address box of the browser window when you're on the page you want to link to, to select the URL, then Ctrl-C to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
Judy writes: I've always figured that what is called self- actualization *is* what MMY calls CC. Self-actualization certainly *sounds* like the self being aware of itself, which is one characteristic of CC. But from what I've read of self-actualized behavior, it simply describes people who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because, IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Vasana-kshaya, the obliteration of

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted from the TMO for making those investigations.

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] There are a number of relevant inflation indexes. Many economiss don't favor the CPI. Other indexes may give different answers. === Inflation indexes are stupid. They don't reflect any reality for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 4232

2006-01-07 Thread steven klayman
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224 on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM was a great starter technique, good for blood pressure, stress, etc. It starter millions on the path of spirituality. MMY did a great job. He said

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] There are a number of relevant inflation indexes. Many economiss don't favor the CPI. Other indexes may give different answers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good that tmo scientists try to get published, but the spirit of the whole effort seems to fall more under PR than science - and until at least one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM was a great starter technique, good for blood pressure, stress, etc. It starter millions on the path of spirituality. MMY did a great job. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual experience of CC. Hmmm. I take it your experience of CC contradicts the following? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual experience of CC. What is YOUR

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224

2006-01-07 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM was a great starter technique, good for blood pressure, stress, etc. It starter millions on the path

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do was make a connection between spiritual growth and practical daily behavior. It turned out to be a tougher

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of

[FairfieldLife] Re: How can we understand uneven development in teachers?

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 - Things are not as they seem, nor are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems to be comprised of someone's ideas regarding CC rather than someone's actual

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One of the exciting things that Maharishi attempted to do was make a connection

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The local band of self-proclaimed enlightened on FFL appear to take themselves so seriously, and don't seem to have much if any ability to laugh at themselves -- and ironies that inevitably arise. S!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1994 Hagelin was the recipient of an Ig Nobel Prize, which is for achievements that cannot, or should not, be reproduced, i.e., for

[FairfieldLife] Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Skunk button pushing comments snipped for brevity. Comment below Alex writes: Is it your belief that an enlightened person no longer has an ego or conditioned mind? Akasha/Anon writes: I think the term enlightenment is a label, that serves little positive purpose -- and its use has many

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably they're from Mahesh himself, no? On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Peter wrote: This list seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, this is an excellent insight into the early evolution of the TM movement- really good! On Jan 5, 2006, at 7:55 AM, Vaj wrote: There's a biography I read a while back on the web--I believe it was called Call No

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. hetudvayaM hi chittasya vaasanaa cha samiiraNaH .tayor vinashhTa ekasmins tad dvaav api vinashyataH .. 1..---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:59 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Vaj, can you be more specific on what type of methods thjese are, or description of such.I generally would not discuss such methods. I have had specific "knowledge unfolding" in side of me, perhaps similar to what Jim is referring to, where

[FairfieldLife] a miraculous, powerful, unfathomable reality

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
Cool article. Nearly 100, LSD's Father Ponders His 'Problem Child' By CRAIG SMITH BURG, Switzerland ALBERT Hofmann, the father of LSD, walked slowly across the small corner office of his modernist home on a grassy Alpine hilltop here, hoping to show a visitor the vista that sweeps before him

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of   transformation to uproot vasanas.  Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to  uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level oftransformation to uproot vasanas.hetudvayaM hi chittasya

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Anon writes: snipped This inner-revelation effect seems consistant with what a Maharishi pundit told me in a jyotish reading. Ironic as it sounds, I asked the pundit about how and when I could / would find a teacher / guru for personal guidance. He said that for my chart, that was not necessary,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: a_non_moose_ff wrote: My original comments, abve, on Tom's post are part of my periodic laughter at the ironies, paradoxes and/or inconsistencies sxpressed by so-called self-proclaimed enlightened. Tom proclaims

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:50 PM, sparaig wrote:Fine, but don't expect the average person to seek out the traditional  texts and their commentaris."average person" being the operative word.  BTW, how do you know that the texts,  their commentaries  are correct, or that the translations are 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya, was: Digest Number 4224

2006-01-07 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/6/06 12:31 AM, steven klayman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM was a great

[FairfieldLife] Re: How can we understand uneven development in teachers?

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6

[FairfieldLife] China Post-Sanskrit Yoga Sutra translated

2006-01-07 Thread Robert Gimbel
Sanskrit Yoga Sutra translated 2006/1/7Carmen Russell The China Post As people around the world are becoming more health-conscious, yoga centers have been gaining popularity as a way to keep fit and healthy. According to Jini , however, physical health is only half the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list seems to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it your belief that an enlightened person no longer has an ego or conditioned mind? [snip] And I assume, corrections welcome, that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it your belief that an enlightened person no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 2:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:I mean, caturthaH praaNaayaamaH during TM kshaNika-samaadhi"destroys" samiiraNa ([movement of] praaNa), and, doing that, does the same to lots of vaasanaas! Unfortunately for this idea, the style of spontaneous pranayama that occurs in meditation is

[FairfieldLife] Ouch! Some ee-run-naH from Colombia!

2006-01-07 Thread cardemaister
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/7/06 1:45 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TOm T: It has been my experience and of a number of people that I know that you will deal with your stuff before but most assuredly after. The clarity makes it impossible to ignore any longer the stuff not dealt

Re: [FairfieldLife] 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
Hmmm, let's see--joy, sense of humor, efficiency? I think most of the TMO has a ways to go before reaching those milestones. Maybe the new and improved version will leave them out. :) Sal On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:28 PM, Rick Archer wrote: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it your belief that an enlightened person no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
Yeah, okay. But do we each get a gold crown? Sal On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Praise not necessary, just send $2500 each. Time payments accepted, with interest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How can we understand uneven development in teachers?

2006-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:58 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Things are not as they seem, > > >  nor are they otherwise > > >  --a Buddhist Sutra > > > > Unless you are Elsewhere. > > > > Where's that? Not where You are. Wherever you go, there you are.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 1/7/06 11:30:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It is also obvious that *somehow* money flowed into the math at

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/7/06 11:30:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It

[FairfieldLife] Triguna

2006-01-07 Thread MDixon6569
Is Triguna still alive and practicing?If so, does anybody have his address in Delhi? I was there in 95 or 96 but can't remember the address . A friend is going to Delhi soon and would like to see him. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.

2006-01-07 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 1/7/06 3:57:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is obvious that Gurudev lived in greater physical comfort as Shankaracharya than he did as a lone Sanyasin wandering around. It is also obvious that *somehow* money flowed into the math at

[FairfieldLife] Green - TMO

2006-01-07 Thread Jason Spock
I heard that Ford has developed a car that runs on Distilled water.?? Does anyone have information on it.? Exc. Bevan Morris spoke some years back on a car that can run 5,000 kilometres without any need for re-fueling. I forgot the type of car he mentioned. I also heard

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C. on 1/7/06 3:41 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, okay. But do we each get a gold crown? Plastic. But for a million, you get gold. Sal On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Praise not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:My sense of the vasanas are the tight grip of residue and structure of conditionings and experiences that make "I" appear to be the body or mind or intellect. When that grip lossens, then that false sense of I dissolves. But the structure of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Triguna

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Triguna on 1/7/06 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Triguna still alive and practicing?If so, does anybody have his address in Delhi? I was there in 95 or 96 but can't remember the address . A friend is going to Delhi soon and would like to

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
--Interesting. TM and its practice is like laying bare an open field, with trash strewn on the field needing collection and disposal. Personally, I use various karma busting mantras designed for the disposal operations, namely the Mahavritunjaya mantra and a concise form of the Surangama

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
--More specific details of the techniques mentioned below may be found in a new book coming out in March, by Norbu Rinpoche, published by Snow Lion Press. Contact Snow Lion in a few months. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:59 PM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Well, if you mean enlightenment to mean "something good is happening", then fine. Its just traditionally the term has been used in specific ways. And in recent years some have hijacked the term and used it to label almost anything, BUT implying

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Jason Spock
Would Maharishi give us a title of 'Knight'.?? 50,000-/ dollars might be enough for that.??OriginalMessage- From: "Rick Archer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:53:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C. on 1/7/06 5:12 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would Maharishi give us a title of 'Knight'.?? 50,000-/ dollars might be enough for that.?? I dont know if he would, but youre giving me ideas. To

[FairfieldLife] Inconsistencies in the existence of a Personal God

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread coshlnx
--I can just see it: the Knights TM-Plar...but watch out for the Pope. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/7/06 5:12 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would Maharishi give us a title of 'Knight'.?? 50,000-/ dollars might be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: My sense of the vasanas are the tight grip of residue and structure of conditionings and experiences that make I appear to be the body or mind or intellect. When that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Triguna

2006-01-07 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 1/7/06 4:56:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Triguna still alive and practicing?If so, does anybody have his address in Delhi? I was there in 95 or 96 but can't remember the address . A friend is going to Delhi soon and would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
Mahesh is the Vedic Pope. Where you been?:-)On Jan 7, 2006, at 6:24 PM, coshlnx wrote:--I can just see it: the "Knights TM-Plar"...but watch out for the Pope. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This

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