[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:36 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Then Fred will have done his gurus bidding and maybe will get a video visit from the sterile room. I thought remote darshan could be quite powerful. :) Yeah but that bastard never calls anymore. Not to mention that IMO he never had any darshan to give in the first place. IMO one of the reasons for the sterile room lifestyle is to keep people from getting close enough to him to figure that out. In general, I'd say that the further away a not- terribly-special spiritual teacher keeps his students, the more likely they are to put him on a pedestal and treat him as special. Just look at this discussion group...many of those who are the most fervent True Believers here and who believe most strongly that they work with a fully enlightened teacher have *never even been in the same room* with Maharishi. Or, for that matter, have they been in the same room with *any* teacher who *can* generate something that qualifies as darshan. They've never experienced the phenomenon, PERIOD, but they are convinced that Maharishi can do it. Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sundy Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You can't help but wonder if it was marketing for the MSAE whose numbers are said to be dwindling--that's who they focussed on. You also couldn't help but wonder if the guy who said the 2500 hundred dollars was definitely worth it wasn't coached just a little. The one child *resembled* Dr. H, I wonder if that was his son? On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:05 AM, MDixon6569@ wrote: OMG! They Snubbed John Hagelen, he must be royally pissed. All those little *nobodies* in the TM Movement and they didn't include him! And then the nerve to talk with other people about other brands of meditation. Umm Umm Umm Lawd h'mercy! You can't wonder if people aren't a little jealous that the TMO is once again conductin successful PR campaigns... Successful in getting mentioned and reported about ? We don't know if it will have any effect on either initiations or fund raising yet. I noticed that the CBS article use tm and transcendental meditation in their generic and not in the service marked TM and Transcendental Meditation Program sense. I wonder why? There is no generic sense inthe USA. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Where Is 'One Nation Under God?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Where is the feeling of One nation under God? Where has it gone. How can a President create Unity; With a 33% approval of the people? Where is our Unity Government? Who will lead our Unity Government? How can we expect Iraq to create; What we do not have? I'm expecting either a massive rebound in bush's popularity or a drastic drop due to this latest leak thing. Not sure which, yet. Should be an interesting week in D.C. Sen. Specter has requested that Mr. President provide a reasonable explanation for the leak business. Mr.President has been in a down-trend since the election; Don't see what will turn that around; less they come up with some new subliminal brainwashing scheme; or some such thing. Perhaps if he resigned and apologized for his lack of competence; His approval might spike a bit... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... my two cents is that we believe what we want to believe and it really is optional; the main thing is ~ how does our belief help us with our ATTITUDE toward others and god? how does our belief help us treat others with respect, love and kindness? how does our belief help us remain humble and innocent like a child? how does our belief help us awaken to our true nature? It is said that at the moment of awakening, all our beliefs/thoughts are surrendered. Meanwhile as long as we have thoughts, it helps to focus them on basic spiritual principles ~ which each of us has an option to choose as to their functionality in our moment to moment lives. Remember Amma's warning not to take even the scriptures too seriously. we should strive to avoid fixating on our beliefs ~ which can become our greatest obstacles to our true nature. To mistake RELATIVE beliefs for the ABSOLUTE truth is the one basic error creating a cloud of ignorance obstructing the sun of our true nature So, use beliefs wisely, lovingly and functionally ~ to inspire others and yourself But never forget to seek refuge in the SILENCE and STILLNESS of the HEART the source of all wisdom, love and kindness title of new book Heart is Thy Name, Oh Lord ~ Ramana Amma is our HEART. Amma's Blessings, a Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:36 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Then Fred will have done his gurus bidding and maybe will get a video visit from the sterile room. I thought remote darshan could be quite powerful. :) Yeah but that bastard never calls anymore. Not to mention that IMO he never had any darshan to give in the first place. IMO one of the reasons for the sterile room lifestyle is to keep people from getting close enough to him to figure that out. Of course, many people over the years have reported that he *does* have very profound darshan. In general, I'd say that the further away a not- terribly-special spiritual teacher keeps his students, the more likely they are to put him on a pedestal and treat him as special. Probably not, actually. A not-terribly-special teacher would be more likely to make folks think he was special if he had a winning personality face-to-face. Otherwise, the conviction that he was special would have to be based on other criteria, such as the quality of his teaching. Just look at this discussion group...many of those who are the most fervent True Believers here and who believe most strongly that they work with a fully enlightened teacher have *never even been in the same room* with Maharishi. Or, for that matter, have they been in the same room with *any* teacher who *can* generate something that qualifies as darshan. They've never experienced the phenomenon, PERIOD, but they are convinced that Maharishi can do it. This paragraph exemplifies one of Barry's favorite tactics when he's promoting one of his fantasies: he characterizes a group of people as fitting the fantasy, but he doesn't name any of them. That makes it more difficult for anybody to challenge him on the characterization. But if you look more closely, generally you can spot the telltale signs that he's making stuff up. Let's look at this example. The group, in his description: True Believers on this forum (How many are there? A handful.) The most fervent of this group (So, three or four, max.) Many of the most fervent of this group (Two or three, max.) Those of these two or three who believe most strongly that they work with an enlightened teacher (Now we're down to one or two, max.) But oops, these one or two who believe most strongly that they *work with* an enlightened teacher *have never been in a room with MMY*. How could they work with MMY if they've never been in a room with him? Is there *anyone* on this forum who believes they work with Maharishi? I'm quite certain that Barry is hoping folks will infer that I'm among this group of (what turns out to be) one or two people. But I'm not a True Believer by any means, as Barry well knows. I do think MMY is enlightened, and I've never been in a room with him. But I would never even conceive of myself as working with MMY; and I have *no opinion* as to whether MMY can generate darshan. All I know is what I've heard other people say. In any case, even if he couldn't, my opinion that he's enlightened isn't based on whether he can or cannot generate darshan. So you'll have to cross me off the list of one or two people. At most, there's only one left who might qualify for membership in the group Barry describes. Who is it? Raise your hand, please. Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... Actually, at most that would be the things *one person* will believe, at least on this group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] tidn't tknow vwat to tink
My understanding of the Muktanda/Maharishi hug incident is that Muktananda startled Maharishi with an insistent hug, and that Maharishi later commented, laughing, i tid not tknow vwat to tink! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan -- we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ... Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... my two cents is that we believe what we want to believe I agree completely. And 'what we want to believe' does not have to have any basis in reality; all that matters is that we want to believe in it. and it really is optional; the main thing is ~ how does our belief help us with our ATTITUDE toward others and god? Again, I agree. If a person's feelings of bhakti or reverence towards their spiritual teacher bleeds over into their everyday life and inspires them to treat everyone they meet with greater respect and compassion, then it really doesn't matter whether the person's feelings for the teacher are justified or not. Whether they are or not, the result is good, so what's the problem. On the other hand, I think we've all encountered people whose reverence for their own spiritual teacher has turned into a more elitist thing, and enables the seeker to look down on other teachers, on those who study with other teachers, or on the great unwashed who don't follow any spiritual tradition whatsoever. In this case, I would sug- gest that the result is not so good. how does our belief help us treat others with respect, love and kindness? As one teacher I worked with put it so well, Listen to what people say about their spirituality, but watch what they actually DO. snip Remember Amma's warning not to take even the scriptures too seriously. I would add, Remember not to take Amma's words too seriously, as well, a sentiment with which I suspect she would agree. :-) When it comes to darshan, on a technical level, the thing that fascinates me is how *individual* the perception of darshan is. Two individuals, both with decades of spiritual practice under their belts, can encounter the same spiritual teacher. One is completely knocked out by the experience, and feels that the spiritual teacher...uh...gives good darshan. The other feels nothing out of the ordinary, and although they may respect the teacher, notices not a thing special or extraordinary about them or their vibe. Then take the *same* two long-term seekers and put them into a room with a different spiritual teacher, and the experience is completely reversed. This is just a theory, but I have come to believe that what most people call darshan is nothing more than a kind of resonance that they feel with certain teachers that they don't feel with others. For what- ever reason, they sit with one teacher and something is enlivened in them, and (IMO) they *interpret* that enlivenment as darshan. But it doesn't necessarily mean (IMO) that the teacher gave the experience that the student is interpreting as darshan, or even that the teacher is capable of giving darshan. To me, darshan is just a resonance thang -- something in the teacher's aura *resonates* with something in yours, and you get high. You interpret that high as darshan. But it may be nothing more (or less) than resonance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? He's talking about people who exist only in his mind. He needs a them to be the target for a putdown. If there's no actual target, he has to invent one. Whereas we *all* know who Judy's target is here on Fairfield Life. It's the person she has personally attacked in over 60 posts (an average of two per day) since mid-March, during a period in which that person has demonstrated admirable restraint by barely even acknow- ledging her existence. :-) It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. Yeah, yeah...we know Judy. Your purpose since Day One on this group has been to recruit people to your point of view about Vaj and myself. I think everyone's gotten it by now. And by now they either agree with you or they don't. I would think that to continue with your smear campaign at this point only serves to convince more people of your own level of obsession and *that* you are the True Believer I suggest you are, but that's just me. I suspect you'll keep doing the same thing you've been doing for ten years now, stalking the people you have labeled anti TMers and trying your best to convert others to your way of thinking about them. And you'll believe that this is a sane and productive thing to do with your life. It's one of the things I find most humorous about True Believers -- their ability to deny that they are True Believers while actively *demonstrating* what they are to anyone who has eyes. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Where Is 'One Nation Under God?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Where is the feeling of One nation under God? Where has it gone. How can a President create Unity; With a 33% approval of the people? Where is our Unity Government? Who will lead our Unity Government? How can we expect Iraq to create; What we do not have? I'm expecting either a massive rebound in bush's popularity or a drastic drop due to this latest leak thing. Not sure which, yet. Should be an interesting week in D.C. Sen. Specter has requested that Mr. President provide a reasonable explanation for the leak business. Mr.President has been in a down-trend since the election; Don't see what will turn that around; less they come up with some new subliminal brainwashing scheme; or some such thing. Perhaps if he resigned and apologized for his lack of competence; His approval might spike a bit... Sometimes people become numb if too much happens too fast. It doesn't seem likely, but think of an abused wife and how she can rally in support of her husband against the police when they come to arrest him for hitting her in public... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? He's talking about people who exist only in his mind. He needs a them to be the target for a putdown. If there's no actual target, he has to invent one. It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. He likes to bash MMY. Many on this group like to bash MMY. The rest no doubt roll their eyes and move on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? He's talking about people who exist only in his mind. He needs a them to be the target for a putdown. If there's no actual target, he has to invent one. Whereas we *all* know who Judy's target is here on Fairfield Life. It's the person she has personally attacked in over 60 posts (an average of two per day) since mid-March, during a period in which that person has demonstrated admirable restraint by barely even acknow- ledging her existence. :-) It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. Yeah, yeah...we know Judy. Your purpose since Day One on this group has been to recruit people to your point of view about Vaj and myself. I think everyone's gotten it by now. And by now they either agree with you or they don't. I would think that to continue with your smear campaign at this point only serves to convince more people of your own level of obsession and *that* you are the True Believer I suggest you are, but that's just me. I suspect you'll keep doing the same thing you've been doing for ten years now**, stalking the people you have labeled anti TMers and trying your best to convert others to your way of thinking about them. And you'll believe that this is a sane and productive thing to do with your life. It's one of the things I find most humorous about True Believers -- their ability to deny that they are True Believers while actively *demonstrating* what they are to anyone who has eyes. :-) ** For amusement purposes, The Best Of Judy Stein, the self-espoused 'non-True Believer' -- http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It's one of the things I find most humorous about True Believers -- their ability to deny that they are True Believers while actively *demonstrating* what they are to anyone who has eyes. :-) Of course, Barry would never find humor in his own postings about how bad Judy is... ** For amusement purposes, The Best Of Judy Stein, the self-espoused 'non-True Believer' -- http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Ironically, Barry used to mock Andrew Skolnick when he postedpm a.m.t.. Now, he uses Skolnick's own obsession with Judy as ammunition to attack Judy. BTW, everyone, don't forget to check out Skolnick's Doremouse (sp) page, a mini-homage page just for me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? He's talking about people who exist only in his mind. He needs a them to be the target for a putdown. If there's no actual target, he has to invent one. Whereas we *all* know who Judy's target is here on Fairfield Life. It's the person she has personally attacked in over 60 posts (an average of 2.3 per day) since mid-March, during a period in which that person has demonstrated admirable restraint by barely even acknow- ledging her existence. :-) It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. Yeah, yeah...we know Judy. Your purpose since Day One on this group has been to recruit people to your point of view about Vaj and myself. I think everyone's gotten it by now. And by now they either agree with you or they don't. I would think that to continue with your smear campaign at this point only serves to convince more people of your own level of obsession and *that* you are the True Believer I suggest you are, but that's just me. I suspect you'll keep doing the same thing you've been doing for ten years now**, stalking the people you have labeled anti TMers and trying your best to convert others to your way of thinking about them. And you'll believe that this is a sane and productive thing to do with your life. It's one of the things I find most humorous about True Believers -- their ability to deny that they are True Believers while actively demonstrating*** what they are to anyone who has eyes. :-) ** For amusement purposes, The Best Of Judy Stein, the self-espoused 'non-True Believer' -- http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ *** With regard to whether Judy is a True Believer or not, pay particular attention to this gem: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/judysmission.htm written for the previous victim #1 on her Hit List, before Vaj and I moved to the top of it. Again, notice the similarities in the ways she refers to Andrew Skolnick as she does me, but in these flashes from the past, she's a little more honest about *why* she's saying these things. See if it doesn't sound a lot like a TM True Believer to you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
on 4/10/06 2:07 AM, amarnath at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should strive to avoid fixating on our beliefs ~ which can become our greatest obstacles to our true nature. A woman who attended our Wed. night satsang for the first time last week reported the experience that for the last several years, she has immediately gotten a headache the moment she begins to fixate on any belief or judgment. This has had the effect of constantly prodding her back into a state of childlike innocence. She said that she can't think or say much of anything without instantly realizing that it's opposite is also true. She said that concurrent with this, she has realized that she already abides in her true nature. There is no barrier to break through to reach the transcendent. Meditation is an opportunity to rest the body, but whether in meditation or activity, she dwells in that state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Where Is 'One Nation Under God?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Where is the feeling of One nation under God? Where has it gone. How can a President create Unity; With a 33% approval of the people? Where is our Unity Government? Who will lead our Unity Government? How can we expect Iraq to create; What we do not have? I'm expecting either a massive rebound in bush's popularity or a drastic drop due to this latest leak thing. Not sure which, yet. Should be an interesting week in D.C. Sen. Specter has requested that Mr. President provide a reasonable explanation for the leak business. Mr.President has been in a down-trend since the election; Don't see what will turn that around; less they come up with some new subliminal brainwashing scheme; or some such thing. Perhaps if he resigned and apologized for his lack of competence; His approval might spike a bit... Sometimes people become numb if too much happens too fast. It doesn't seem likely, but think of an abused wife and how she can rally in support of her husband against the police when they come to arrest him for hitting her in public... The thing is: there's already been a massive drop in his popularity... Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. It's interesting to me, that Maharishi predicted the collapsing of governments, I think sometime last November; And now we see this vacumn in the U.S. and France and I suppose England as well... Nature abhors a vacumn, so we have to see how it fills itself, with hopefully better tunes.. I read the news today, oh boy! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 2:07 AM, amarnath at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should strive to avoid fixating on our beliefs ~ which can become our greatest obstacles to our true nature. A woman who attended our Wed. night satsang for the first time last week reported the experience that for the last several years, she has immediately gotten a headache the moment she begins to fixate on any belief or judgment. This has had the effect of constantly prodding her back into a state of childlike innocence. She said that she can't think or say much of anything without instantly realizing that it's opposite is also true. She said that concurrent with this, she has realized that she already abides in her true nature. There is no barrier to break through to reach the transcendent. Meditation is an opportunity to rest the body, but whether in meditation or activity, she dwells in that state. Perhaps the Bliss that's always talked about accompanying the state of Enlightenment, according to Maharishi; Has something to do with the instant realization of opposites; Almost that you can take any side on any position; Which is why there are so many paradoxical statements; Attributed to Enlightened people... Perhaps the Bliss comes from knowing you can always sink into the unboundedness of the state beyond opposites; Beyond the emotions is the Bliss? Can one be in Bliss, while being angry, disgusted or bored? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? He's talking about people who exist only in his mind. He needs a them to be the target for a putdown. If there's no actual target, he has to invent one. It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. He likes to bash MMY. Many on this group like to bash MMY. The rest no doubt roll their eyes and move on. It ain't the MMY-bashing. It's the TMer-bashing, the gross dishonesty, and the egregious hypocrisy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Where Is 'One Nation Under God?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. Almost that you can take any side on any position; Lets see: Many people are becoming ELATED by the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. Or Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the strong and purposeful leadership, clear direction, candor, spotless record, straight-shooting, along with the incredible unity in the U.S. Congress, and the huge progress there. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She said that she can't think or say much of anything without instantly realizing that it's opposite is also true. Did Tom suddenly jump up and exclaim, I see non-snakes everywhere ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. This assumes that anyone takes him seriously. I only read him, occasionally, for the humor: how one person can see life in such a twisted way, a virtual world of fantasy, self-created deomons, dreamed up motives, and huge leaps of logic (taller than the tallest building). Actually, I think all of this is a put on. Sort of an Andy Kauffman type put-on, satarizing the worst and most bizzare qualities found in society. Its quite a hoot when you realize his comic genius. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking, quickly got up, sat down right next to Maharishi on his couch, and hugged him. Everyone, the followers of both Masters, were shocked and amazed, and the room became very agitated! People were moving about, taking pic- tures of them, talking, etc. To the best of my knowledge, no one had ever sat down next to Maharishi on his couch, nor snuggled up against him, nor wrapped him in a hug! Maharishi didn't seem upset, and didn't look any more uncomfortable than you'd be if you'd been deep in silence and somebody bounced down onto the couch next to you and grabbed you. Maharishi didn't appear to try and pull away or get up. The two of them exchanged a few private words in the midst of this chaos, then both arose and exited the meeting hall together, leaving the room in turmoil. Some of Muktananda's followers, not aware of the normal etiquette, rushed for the door to follow their Master, clambering over chairs. The men from my course waited a few minutes for the chaos to set- tle down and the exits to clear, and then we eventually got back on our bus and rode an hour back to our quiet hotel on the other side of the lake. The consensus among us was that we'd just
[FairfieldLife] astrologers in Fairfield?
Does anyone know of any good astrologers, either Jyotish or Western, in Fairfield, who would do a reading for a fee? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking, quickly got up, sat down right next to Maharishi on his couch, and hugged him. Everyone, the followers of both Masters, were shocked and amazed, and the room became very agitated! People were moving about, taking pic- tures of them, talking, etc. To the best of my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. And maybe some shakipat? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] astrologers in Fairfield?
on 4/10/06 9:27 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of any good astrologers, either Jyotish or Western, in Fairfield, who would do a reading for a fee? There's a very good one coming today. Amma's Jyotishi, named Prasannan. But he charges $50. I think all the appointments are filled, but there might be one or two left, or someone might cancel. You could call my wife Irene at 472-9336 if you want an appointment. I think David Hawthorne does free readings. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastical- ly and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you main- tain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
on 4/10/06 8:49 AM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She said that she can't think or say much of anything without instantly realizing that it's opposite is also true. Did Tom suddenly jump up and exclaim, I see non-snakes everywhere ? Yup. And then she said, But I see snakes, but they're really ropes. And then all 35 of us took off our clothes and jello-wrestled. You should come to one of these. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then all 35 of us took off our clothes and jello-wrestled. Wow. Now theres an image thats bound to shock or scare one into enlightenment. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Where Is 'One Nation Under God?'
on 4/10/06 8:47 AM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. Almost that you can take any side on any position; Lets see: Many people are becoming ELATED by the vacumn they feel in the lack of leadership, misdirection, lieing, scandal, manipulation, and the lack of any unity in the U.S. Congress, and the lack of anything getting done there, as well. Or Many people are becoming afraid of the vacumn they feel in the strong and purposeful leadership, clear direction, candor, spotless record, straight-shooting, along with the incredible unity in the U.S. Congress, and the huge progress there. There is something elating about seeing everything fall apart. Maybe something better will arise from the ashes. George Bush is doing a great job destroying the country. Perfect man for the job. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
on 4/10/06 7:04 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the Bliss that's always talked about accompanying the state of Enlightenment, according to Maharishi; Has something to do with the instant realization of opposites; Almost that you can take any side on any position; Which is why there are so many paradoxical statements; Attributed to Enlightened people... Perhaps the Bliss comes from knowing you can always sink into the unboundedness of the state beyond opposites; Bliss comes from dwelling in a state of balance, which one naturally settles into when one doesn't polarize oneself by glomming desperately onto one perspective or another. That only fortifies the individual ego. Beyond the emotions is the Bliss? Can one be in Bliss, while being angry, disgusted or bored? Yes, although those would only describe one's external appearance. Deep within, a different reality is appreciated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
on 4/10/06 10:00 AM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then all 35 of us took off our clothes and jello-wrestled. Wow. Now theres an image thats bound to shock or scare one into enlightenment. :) Separates the men from the boys, so to speak. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. And maybe some shakipat? Maybe. Jim (my friend) was totally into Muktananda at that point in his life, and was rather unimpressed with Maharishi. Jim and his buddies were heavy into the shaktipat scene, and the way things were around Muktananda's movement, which he tells me were light and informal and fun. He was pretty underwhelmed when he encoun- tered a spiritual environment that was the opposite: heavy, formal to a fault, and where (in his words) Having fun seemed to be considered a sin by most of the people I talked to. I never met Muktananda, so I don't know first-hand about his movement or how it was different from Maharishi's. I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Nice account. But just out of curiosity, Michael, deep, Vedic knowledge has accomplished exactly what? In science or any other field. Sal On Apr 10, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 7:04 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond the emotions is the Bliss? Can one be in Bliss, while being angry, disgusted or bored? Yes, although those would only describe one's external appearance. Deep within, a different reality is appreciated. You are ignoring the gospel of St. Peter: Bliss is stupid. So the real question is, Can one be Stupid, while being angry, disgusted or bored? Well, Stupid is as Stupid does. Which means also Bliss is as Bliss does. And Anger is as anger does. So jello wrestle naked on that one. In bliss of course. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: And then all 35 of us took off our clothes and jello-wrestled. Wow. Now theres an image thats bound to shock or scare one into enlightenment. :) It's the never-before-revealed secret of satsang and how it really works. *How* enlightened you get depends entirely upon the flavor of Jell-O chosen during the session. Hint: hold out for one of the lime-flavored evenings. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sundy Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: You can't help but wonder if it was marketing for the MSAE whose numbers are said to be dwindling--that's who they focussed on. You also couldn't help but wonder if the guy who said the 2500 hundred dollars was definitely worth it wasn't coached just a little. The one child *resembled* Dr. H, I wonder if that was his son? On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:05 AM, MDixon6569@ wrote: OMG! They Snubbed John Hagelen, he must be royally pissed. All those little *nobodies* in the TM Movement and they didn't include him! And then the nerve to talk with other people about other brands of meditation. Umm Umm Umm Lawd h'mercy! You can't wonder if people aren't a little jealous that the TMO is once again conductin successful PR campaigns... Successful in getting mentioned and reported about ? We don't know if it will have any effect on either initiations or fund raising yet. I noticed that the CBS article use tm and transcendental meditation in their generic and not in the service marked TM and Transcendental Meditation Program sense. I wonder why? There is no generic sense inthe USA. Well the CBS writer lowercased them and didn't use the circle around the R thing. You think that was unintentional? (I'm not talking about 'law' here - who knows except lawyers and litigants) JohnY JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
That's why everybody dropped out--because it turned into (or MMY allowed it to be turned into) this heavy, formal, Fundamentalist environment where everyone was treated in a condescending manner, not to mention having their pockets picked at every available opportunity. Kind of hard to have fun with things like that going on on a regular basis. Sal On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: He was pretty underwhelmed when he encoun- tered a spiritual environment that was the opposite: heavy, formal to a fault, and where (in his words) Having fun seemed to be considered a sin by most of the people I talked to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Another interesting tidbit to the story is that the reason Muk came to visit is that John Gray and Billy Clayton were going to see him and getting Shaktipat when we went up to S. Fallsburg to hang out at the TMO facility next door. (Those two, two others, and myself were sent to NJ in the summer of '76 to inspire the local Governors during the TM-in-schools court case.) They invited him to visit MMY without MMY authorizing them to do so. He was a bit peeved about that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) And then compared notes on the effectiveness of various Herpes treatments. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: astrologers in Fairfield?
Thanks, Rick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 9:27 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of any good astrologers, either Jyotish or Western, in Fairfield, who would do a reading for a fee? There's a very good one coming today. Amma's Jyotishi, named Prasannan. But he charges $50. I think all the appointments are filled, but there might be one or two left, or someone might cancel. You could call my wife Irene at 472-9336 if you want an appointment. I think David Hawthorne does free readings. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) And then compared notes on the effectiveness of various Herpes treatments. :) Nope. As it turns out, we all made it through the swingin' 70s in the TM movement Scot-free, with nary a disease to show for it all. Undoubtedly it was because even if we were low-vibe slimes, the women we slept with were being fully supported by the Laws Of Nature and thus were invincible with regard to STDs. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning = we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: And then all 35 of us took off our clothes and jello-wrestled. Wow. Now theres an image thats bound to shock or scare one into enlightenment. :) It's the never-before-revealed secret of satsang and how it really works. *How* enlightened you get depends entirely upon the flavor of Jell-O chosen during the session. Hint: hold out for one of the lime-flavored evenings. No, the amala flavor one with chavanaprash swirls is way better. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice account. But just out of curiosity, Michael, deep, Vedic knowledge has accomplished exactly what? In science or any other field. Sal Ask Hagelin's associates who worked with him after he modified Flipped SU(5) to fit the vedic cosmology model. On Apr 10, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at Tantra@ wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. He felt a need to move, while MMY felt like sitting still. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice account. But just out of curiosity, Michael, deep, Vedic knowledge has accomplished exactly what? In science or any other field. Sal Ask Hagelin's associates who worked with him after he modified Flipped SU(5) to fit the vedic cosmology model. Yeah, I'm sure they found his attribution of the five quantum spin- types to the five tanmatras and to the doshas just so blissfully scientific. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sundy Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] There is no generic sense inthe USA. Well the CBS writer lowercased them and didn't use the circle around the R thing. You think that was unintentional? (I'm not talking about 'law' here - who knows except lawyers and litigants) Happens all the time. He may not have realized it was a trademark. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan -- we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath anatol_zinc@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ... Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... my two cents is that we believe what we want to believe I agree completely. And 'what we want to believe' does not have to have any basis in reality; all that matters is that we want to believe in it. ... ...(some example)... In this case, I would sug- gest that the result is not so good. ... You interpret that high as darshan. But it may be nothing more (or less) than resonance. from my physics background, one could say everything is either a resonance or a non-resonance. and although i saw mmy very few times in the long past, there was always a strong resonance of LOVE ~ I purposly stared at his eyes ~ which is one way to get darshan. I loved MMY very much. now, i would not care to be in his presence, but still respect and love him for what he did in the past especially for me. believing what we want to believe is not a guarantee of good results; obviously it depends on our wise choices but believing that we believe what we want to believe and that it does not have to be based on facts( if there are any such things ~ isn't it all illusion ) helps one to stay away from dogma and to be ready to surrender all beliefs at the time of AWAKENING ! also, it helps me from wasting a lot of time bickering over things. concerning Amma, it's easy for me to believe almost everything she says because it reminds me of my experiences of the TRUTH of LOVE and the FALSNESS of EGO ~ some of these experiences with mmy ~ namaste, amarnath PS ~ examples of some beliefs( functional in the beginning ) which have become fixated upon as absolutes : 1) mood-making ~ a tm freind of mine hanging in there for dear life always uses this to discount anything and everything that doesn't fit in with his way of thinking 2) effortlessness is really besides the point when one considers the many valid approaches to spiritual practices; but it helped a lot for many of us to start TM 3) seven states ~ supposedly even MMY admitted that this was meant to be just a temporary belief Beliefs and Facts are not THE REALITY ! is one of my temporary and hopefully functional beliefs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darshan -- we believe what we want to believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath anatol_zinc@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: ... Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... my two cents is that we believe what we want to believe I agree completely. And 'what we want to believe' does not have to have any basis in reality; all that matters is that we want to believe in it. ... ...(some example)... In this case, I would sug- gest that the result is not so good. ... You interpret that high as darshan. But it may be nothing more (or less) than resonance. from my physics background, one could say everything is either a resonance or a non-resonance. and although i saw mmy very few times in the long past, there was always a strong resonance of LOVE ~ I purposly stared at his eyes ~ which is one way to get darshan. I loved MMY very much. now, i would not care to be in his presence, but still respect and love him for what he did in the past especially for me. believing what we want to believe is not a guarantee of good results; obviously it depends on our wise choices but believing that we believe what we want to believe and that it does not have to be based on facts( if there are any such things isn't it all illusion ) helps one to stay away from dogma and to be ready to surrender all beliefs at the time of AWAKENING ! also, it helps me from wasting a lot of time bickering over things. concerning Amma, it's easy for me to believe almost everything she says because it reminds me of my experiences of the TRUTH of LOVE and the FALSNESS of EGO ~ some of these experiences with mmy ~ namaste, amarnath PS ~ examples of some beliefs( functional in the beginning ) which have become fixated upon as absolutes : 1) mood-making ~ a tm freind of mine hanging in there for dear life always uses this to discount anything and everything that doesn't fit in with his way of thinking 2) effortlessness is really besides the point when one considers the many valid approaches to spiritual practices; but it helped a lot for many of us to start TM 3) seven states ~ supposedly even MMY admitted that this was meant to be just a temporary belief Beliefs and Facts are not THE REALITY ! is one of my temporary and hopefully functional beliefs. I have nothing to say in response to all of this except welcome. What a refreshing new voice and point of view! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Straight Poop
I went to this fantastic new group the other night. Its called Neo-Poop. I highly recommend it. They give you the straight poop, right from the horses mouth, so to speak. Its lead by a guy named Poop-a-ji. His darshan is incredible. It is so strong, you can even smell it. I was dazed and dazzled by the time left. The method is to cut right through all your crap. You look directly into Poop-a-ji's eyes and he says, You are shit! I said, That is so profound Popp-a-ji, shit being a metaphor for all the garbage we hold onto that keeps us bound and individual. He said, No, I mean literaly you are Shit. Well that just floor me, and I fell into an estatic trance upon offerings dropped all over the floor. I awoke and found I had permanently realized my essential nature. Its so so powerful, you can smell it. For all you long-term seekers, you just have to do it. Really, you too can be a shithead. Really. I am living proof. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FW: a non-meeting ?
Title: FW: a non-meeting ? From a friend in Germany: Dear Rick, I like your contributions, but the Goodman`s account is so poor. Not from his side. He writes enthusiastic. But two super-guys meet, and Mr. M. can only sit still, closed eyes ? And there is a contest, who can win in sitting longer and having eyes closed longer ? This is the wrong mental set-up of two guys, not communicating. You have a guest and are not interested, what he says and does, but close eyes and want to win the sitting-competition ? And the other guy only talks with his people, doing, what he normally does ? Oh god, sure sign, that these guys really can`t help finding world peace. It is shattered by the next little thing that is not exactly like your meditation ? How silly, how small.. I said goodbuy to Mr. M. at the MIU 7.000, when I saw him on stage and felt: He is alone, does not have a friend, whom he can say, that he doesn`t like to be maharishi all the time And yes, in the puranas, when the holy guys meet, it all is the biggest contest, and even infinitesimal small things end up in universal wars over matters, that really don`t matter. We really should de-construct the mind-set of this non-meeting. And do it yourself. Look into the foto, like Mr. M. said in one of his recent lectures. YOU LOOK; AND LOOK; AND LOOK; AND THE THING COMES TO YOU: when you look longer into the picture, at one time you start to see the emotions. And from what I get, Mr. M. is not at all sure what to feel, and not happy, what to feel. I asked more german friends to comment, since some of them also are in the reading of emotions... cheers from sunny Hamburg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Halfway Up the Mountain: The Error of Premature Claims to Enlightenment
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0934252912/sr=8-1/qid=1144687805/ref=sr_1_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8 I came across an interesting book. Fool's gold exists because there is real gold, coined Rumi. Here author and anthropologist Mariana Caplan herself extracts valuable nuggets from the writings of spiritual masters, both ancient and contemporary, as well as personal interviews with more than 30 esteemed masters, spiritual practitioners, and scholars and psychologists such as Andrew Cohen, Claudio Naranjo, and Robert Svoboda. Contending that the present condition of contemporary spirituality in the West is one of grave distortion, confusion, fraud, and a fundamental lack of education, Caplan sets out to correct this situation by encouraging seekers to carefully examine the ideas--and ideals--of the spiritual teachers with whom they are involved. The introduction by Fleet Maull, a lay monk in the Zen Peacemaker Order and founder of the National Prison Hospice Project, alone makes this worth reading. --Randall Cohan Reader reviews: 6 of 8 people found the following review helpful: Sloppy logic?, July 27, 2005 Reviewer: Scott E. Meredith SeeOtter - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) Here we've had the greatest mystics through the ages (such as Ramana Maharishi) telling us two main things: (a) time is a total illusion and (b) everybody is already enlightened, therefore the concept is meaningless, everything is already perfect as it is. Then we get this book which manages to gut-shoot both the above insights right in its title phrase: 'PREMATURE claims to ENLIGHTENMENT'. Well if life is but a dream to begin with, it's no harm no foul. Mountain out of a molehill. And, if this is a warning to stay away from the Jim Jones of the world, there are much better books on the whole anti-cult thing. This book seems to be reinforcing the laborious duality that the best mystics are trying to sand-blast off of us. Meanwhile, the highlighting of commentaries from certain spiritual celebrities (e.g. Andrew Cohen), commenting on the dangers of this prematurity seems to suggest that THESE (quoted) people, at least, ARE qualified to teach us what's the view like from all the way up the mountain, so there's a kind of unspoken endorsement there, based on nothing at all apparent to me. But for the sprinkling of cute anecdotes I've generously given it two stars. Meanwhile, instead of the mountain I think I'll head for the beach. 7 of 9 people found the following review helpful: you've seen the light, now what?, September 29, 2002 Reviewer: Orva Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] (goshen, in United States) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) spirituality is evolving and running over and leaking out and popping up its ecstatic head here, there, and everywhere. and you have felt, seen, heard things beyond the normal range of human experience and knowledge. now what? are you enlightened? must you tell all who will listen? time for you to save humanity? ms caplan has given us here a fine book of words to the wise. odd as it may seem: as the ego is transcended it comes rushing back as the new improved better than ever one of a kind ego and thereby tightened its grip on you even more. your experience is unique only to you. learn from it. thank God for it. forget it and return to your practice. the true realization and religion is the true transformation of the inner self, heart, soul, and mind. if ego runs amok, you've fallen off the track. this book is a very good and timely warning. 1 of 1 people found the following review helpful: liked it, November 6, 2005 Reviewer: Renssen (amsterdam) - See all my reviews I really liked this book. First of all its very readable, at least the dutch translation is. She puts enlightenment into perspective, and also the behaviour of some of the enlightened teachers. There is a lot about the ego and the non-ego. I have read many buddist books and this is one of my favourites. It makes you think for yourself about what is enlightening and what is a good teacher. Was this review helpful to you? YesNo (Report this) 3 of 5 people found the following review helpful: Mystification of the obvious, September 4, 2005 Reviewer: James Schumann (Hayward, California USA) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) We, everyone of us, are currently enlightened. Each guru quoted herein does have a book to sell, a system to further, or their own ego to feed. What are their credentials? Well, YOU wouldn't understand so you need to take it on faith. Frankly, doubt is a better religion. If one is serious about enlightenment, and it okay to be serious about it, pursue it youself. Go to your library, or Inter Library Loan, and read anything by Ramana Maharshi, or Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now, and avoid this bomb. Look into the Four Noble Truths of the Buddha, but avoid the Sutras Suttas. Enlightenment is less not more, but it is all. You Will Be Amazed. HUTM is a sales pitch for the
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: a non-meeting ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend in Germany: Dear Rick, I like your contributions, but the Goodman`s account is so poor. Not from his side. He writes enthusiastic. But two super-guys meet, and Mr. M. can only sit still, closed eyes ? And there is a contest, who can win in sitting longer and having eyes closed longer ? This is the wrong mental set-up of two guys, not communicating. You have a guest and are not interested, what he says and does, but close eyes and want to win the sitting-competition ? And the other guy only talks with his people, doing, what he normally does ? Oh god, sure sign, that these guys really can`t help finding world peace. It is shattered by the next little thing that is not exactly like your meditation ? How silly, how small.. I said goodbuy to Mr. M. at the MIU 7.000, when I saw him on stage and felt: He is alone, does not have a friend, whom he can say, that he doesn`t like to be maharishi all the time And yes, in the puranas, when the holy guys meet, it all is the biggest contest, and even infinitesimal small things end up in universal wars over matters, that really don`t matter. We really should de-construct the mind-set of this non-meeting. And do it yourself. Look into the foto, like Mr. M. said in one of his recent lectures. YOU LOOK; AND LOOK; AND LOOK; AND THE THING COMES TO YOU: when you look longer into the picture, at one time you start to see the emotions. And from what I get, Mr. M. is not at all sure what to feel, and not happy, what to feel. I asked more german friends to comment, since some of them also are in the reading of emotions... I tid not tknow vwat to tink. -- Maharishi cheers from sunny Hamburg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971435251/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glancen=283155 I see too that Jed McKenna has a new book (new to me). Has anyone figured out who this guy is writing under thus pseudo-name? The mark of the true master is that he can express a profoundly complex subject with astonishing simplicity. Jed McKenna is such a master, and spiritual enlightenment is his subject. His first book, Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing, was an instant classic and established him as a spiritual teacher of startling depth and clarity. Now, his second book, Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment, takes us on a fascinating tour of the enlightened state; what it is and what it's not, who's there and who's not, how to get there and how to get somewhere better. Jed McKenna's books aren't for everyone. They're for people who are tired of the spiritual merry-go-round and wish to confront the real journey of awakening. If you like your teachers with all the spiritual trimmings and trappings, you won't like Jed, but when you're ready to jump off the merry-go-round, Jed McKenna is the guy you want to see standing there--waiting for you. Reader Reviews: Brilliant!!! Jed hits another one out of the park., March 8, 2004 Reviewer: Orva Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] (goshen, in United States) - (REAL NAME) If you have read Jed's first book you know this one isn't going to be about warm fuzzy feelings or self satisfaction. It's another full speed crash head-on into the brick wall of our own ego. Then we must face it: this personal good thing we hope to become is a dream and a fantasy. Jed points out that our beliefs are rationalizations and mind games, that no belief is ultimately true but is instead one more attempt of the ego to reign as perfected, worthy, lovable and all those good things that divert us from fear and despair. And that's all just one more way to avoid waking up. This book is a good read, a good tale told by a good teller. It may help us wake up, it may not. Jed would say it doesn't matter one bit either way. He illuminates this story with anecdotes of his own adventures and chance encounters and with quotes and ideas from some of the greatest who have walked among us: Nisargadatta, Melville, Whitman, Thoreau and others. But Jed can stand quite firmly on his own two feet and he promises that we can too; if we're willing to pay the price. The price is seeking truth because its true and not because it feels good. The price is taking it always Further until we can quit asking because now we know. Buy the book. Read it. Love it. It is great transformative wisdom for our time. Its freeing and ecstatic. Caution: this book is not for the timid or faint of heart. You've been warned!!! Was this review helpful to you? YesNo (Report this) 39 of 46 people found the following review helpful: Unbelievable! But then, what IS believable?, March 18, 2004 Reviewer: R. Hanson rhanson739 (New Bern, NC USA) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) ~ There is nothing that can be said about Enlightenment - non-dual awareness - including this statement. Therefore, it is enormously difficult to write a single, encompassing review that captures the astounding nature of this book as well as the impossibility of being able to say anything at all about the Subject (pun intended.) Simply stated, the ego-identity known as Jed McKenna has indeed done it again. This is another direct, compelling, startling and humorous book from the author of the self-shattering Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing. As with the first book, Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment is about instrumental injunction. To paraphrase Wilber - as I seem to do with some regularity - an injunction is a call, a set of practices, a recipe that says, If you want to know this, do this. Absolutely no one can convey what It is, or what It is like. If you perform the injunction adequately, you'll likely get direct experience of the domain presented by the practice, and you can then verify or reject the results with others who have completed the injunction. Until you actually engage in the practice, though, all discussion and judgment about the result is premature. So in order to find out if this injunction is for you, get hold of both books by this Author, and read them. The Author clearly acknowledges that when one publishes a book in today's spirituality marketplace, it will be seen by a rather broad audience. There will be the serious, the seekers, the simply curious and the clueless. A book such as this will apply to some, certainly not to others, and most likely not to a majority. Some readers won't understand it at all and will offer an almost complete rejection of everything that the book tries to communicate. Others will read the book, picking apart all of the notions that don't jibe well with their current set of beliefs, their understanding of the world as it appears to them. Another,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at Tantra@ wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. (Or, that's the only thing he wanted his listeners to think he felt.) It's funny, but it's entirely possible to understand what each of them said as a completely accurate, noncontradictory descriptions of what had happened between them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Halfway Up the Mountain: The Error of Premature Claims to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0934252912/sr=8- 1/qid=1144687805/ref=sr_1_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8 I came across an interesting book. Fool's gold exists because there is real gold, coined Rumi. Here author and anthropologist Mariana Caplan herself extracts valuable nuggets from the writings of spiritual masters, both ancient and contemporary, as well as personal interviews with more than 30 esteemed masters, spiritual practitioners, and scholars and psychologists such as Andrew Cohen, Claudio Naranjo, and Robert Svoboda. Contending that the present condition of contemporary spirituality in the West is one of grave distortion, confusion, fraud, and a fundamental lack of education, Caplan sets out to correct this situation by encouraging seekers to carefully examine the ideas-- and ideals--of the spiritual teachers with whom they are involved. The introduction by Fleet Maull, a lay monk in the Zen Peacemaker Order and founder of the National Prison Hospice Project, alone makes this worth reading. --Randall Cohan Reader reviews: 6 of 8 people found the following review helpful: Sloppy logic?, July 27, 2005 Reviewer: Scott E. Meredith SeeOtter - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) Here we've had the greatest mystics through the ages (such as Ramana Maharishi) telling us two main things: (a) time is a total illusion and (b) everybody is already enlightened, therefore the concept is meaningless, everything is already perfect as it is. Then we get this book which manages to gut-shoot both the above insights right in its title phrase: 'PREMATURE claims to ENLIGHTENMENT'. Well if life is but a dream to begin with, it's no harm no foul. Mountain out of a molehill. And, if this is a warning to stay away from the Jim Jones of the world, there are much better books on the whole anti-cult thing. This book seems to be reinforcing the laborious duality that the best mystics are trying to sand-blast off of us. Meanwhile, the highlighting of commentaries from certain spiritual celebrities (e.g. Andrew Cohen), commenting on the dangers of this prematurity seems to suggest that THESE (quoted) people, at least, ARE qualified to teach us what's the view like from all the way up the mountain, so there's a kind of unspoken endorsement there, based on nothing at all apparent to me. But for the sprinkling of cute anecdotes I've generously given it two stars. Meanwhile, instead of the mountain I think I'll head for the beach. 7 of 9 people found the following review helpful: you've seen the light, now what?, September 29, 2002 Reviewer: Orva Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] (goshen, in United States) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) spirituality is evolving and running over and leaking out and popping up its ecstatic head here, there, and everywhere. and you have felt, seen, heard things beyond the normal range of human experience and knowledge. now what? are you enlightened? must you tell all who will listen? time for you to save humanity? ms caplan has given us here a fine book of words to the wise. odd as it may seem: as the ego is transcended it comes rushing back as the new improved better than ever one of a kind ego and thereby tightened its grip on you even more. your experience is unique only to you. learn from it. thank God for it. forget it and return to your practice. the true realization and religion is the true transformation of the inner self, heart, soul, and mind. if ego runs amok, you've fallen off the track. this book is a very good and timely warning. 1 of 1 people found the following review helpful: liked it, November 6, 2005 Reviewer: Renssen (amsterdam) - See all my reviews I really liked this book. First of all its very readable, at least the dutch translation is. She puts enlightenment into perspective, and also the behaviour of some of the enlightened teachers. There is a lot about the ego and the non-ego. I have read many buddist books and this is one of my favourites. It makes you think for yourself about what is enlightening and what is a good teacher. Was this review helpful to you? YesNo (Report this) 3 of 5 people found the following review helpful: Mystification of the obvious, September 4, 2005 Reviewer: James Schumann (Hayward, California USA) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) We, everyone of us, are currently enlightened. Each guru quoted herein does have a book to sell, a system to further, or their own ego to feed. What are their credentials? Well, YOU wouldn't understand so you need to take it on faith. Frankly, doubt is a better religion. If one is serious about enlightenment, and it okay to be serious about it, pursue it youself. Go to your library, or Inter Library Loan, and read anything by Ramana Maharshi, or Eckhart Tolle's The Power
[FairfieldLife] Re: Halfway Up the Mountain: The Error of Premature Claims to Enlightenment
Thanks for the heads-up. I may try to find this book, even though I have to admit that I enjoyed the blurb about the book much less than I enjoyed SeeOtter's review of it (the first reader review below). I mean, this is just way cool writing. I enjoyed the whole review, but one line in it just cracked me right up and made me spit my kir all over my screen: This book seems to be reinforcing the laborious duality that the best mystics are trying to sand-blast off of us. SeeOtter may give the book only two stars, but I give his review a full ten. This is one of the funniest and most insightful book reviews I've ever read. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0934252912/sr=8- 1/qid=1144687805/ref=sr_1_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8 I came across an interesting book. Fool's gold exists because there is real gold, coined Rumi. Here author and anthropologist Mariana Caplan herself extracts valuable nuggets from the writings of spiritual masters, both ancient and contemporary, as well as personal interviews with more than 30 esteemed masters, spiritual practitioners, and scholars and psychologists such as Andrew Cohen, Claudio Naranjo, and Robert Svoboda. Contending that the present condition of contemporary spirituality in the West is one of grave distortion, confusion, fraud, and a fundamental lack of education, Caplan sets out to correct this situation by encouraging seekers to carefully examine the ideas-- and ideals--of the spiritual teachers with whom they are involved. The introduction by Fleet Maull, a lay monk in the Zen Peacemaker Order and founder of the National Prison Hospice Project, alone makes this worth reading. --Randall Cohan Reader reviews: 6 of 8 people found the following review helpful: Sloppy logic?, July 27, 2005 Reviewer: Scott E. Meredith SeeOtter - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) Here we've had the greatest mystics through the ages (such as Ramana Maharishi) telling us two main things: (a) time is a total illusion and (b) everybody is already enlightened, therefore the concept is meaningless, everything is already perfect as it is. Then we get this book which manages to gut-shoot both the above insights right in its title phrase: 'PREMATURE claims to ENLIGHTENMENT'. Well if life is but a dream to begin with, it's no harm no foul. Mountain out of a molehill. And, if this is a warning to stay away from the Jim Jones of the world, there are much better books on the whole anti-cult thing. This book seems to be reinforcing the laborious duality that the best mystics are trying to sand-blast off of us. Meanwhile, the highlighting of commentaries from certain spiritual celebrities (e.g. Andrew Cohen), commenting on the dangers of this prematurity seems to suggest that THESE (quoted) people, at least, ARE qualified to teach us what's the view like from all the way up the mountain, so there's a kind of unspoken endorsement there, based on nothing at all apparent to me. But for the sprinkling of cute anecdotes I've generously given it two stars. Meanwhile, instead of the mountain I think I'll head for the beach. 7 of 9 people found the following review helpful: you've seen the light, now what?, September 29, 2002 Reviewer: Orva Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] (goshen, in United States) - See all my reviews (REAL NAME) spirituality is evolving and running over and leaking out and popping up its ecstatic head here, there, and everywhere. and you have felt, seen, heard things beyond the normal range of human experience and knowledge. now what? are you enlightened? must you tell all who will listen? time for you to save humanity? ms caplan has given us here a fine book of words to the wise. odd as it may seem: as the ego is transcended it comes rushing back as the new improved better than ever one of a kind ego and thereby tightened its grip on you even more. your experience is unique only to you. learn from it. thank God for it. forget it and return to your practice. the true realization and religion is the true transformation of the inner self, heart, soul, and mind. if ego runs amok, you've fallen off the track. this book is a very good and timely warning. 1 of 1 people found the following review helpful: liked it, November 6, 2005 Reviewer: Renssen (amsterdam) - See all my reviews I really liked this book. First of all its very readable, at least the dutch translation is. She puts enlightenment into perspective, and also the behaviour of some of the enlightened teachers. There is a lot about the ego and the non-ego. I have read many buddist books and this is one of my favourites. It makes you think for yourself about what is enlightening and what is a good teacher. Was this review helpful to you? YesNo (Report this) 3 of 5 people found the following
[FairfieldLife] Re: Halfway Up the Mountain: The Error of Premature Claims to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, this is just way cool writing. I enjoyed the whole review, but one line in it just cracked me right up and made me spit my kir all over my screen: This book seems to be reinforcing the laborious duality that the best mystics are trying to sand-blast off of us. Kir all over your screen makes any effort in posting this worth it. haha. And as SeaOtter says Meanwhile, instead of the mountain I think I'll head for the beach. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0971435251/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104- 1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glancen=283155 I see too that Jed McKenna has a new book (new to me). Has anyone figured out who this guy is writing under thus pseudo-name? Hey couscous, I know we've had our disagreements and all, but damned if you haven't made me buy two books in one day. :-) You're good at finding books that sound interesting. And at introducing them here in a really neat way, one that makes you want to read the book. Really. Keep it up. I'm in France with my library still in transit, somewhere on a ship between Bushland and here, and with not enough interesting stuff on my bookshelves to keep me busy. I'm definitely going to order these two books and read them. Thanks. If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey couscous, I know we've had our disagreements and all, No problem with that. Every day is a new morning. but damned if you haven't made me buy two books in one day. :-) I am a secret rep for Amazon. :) Keep it up. I'm in France with my library still in transit, somewhere on a ship between Bushland and here, and with not enough interesting stuff on my bookshelves to keep me busy. I'm definitely going to order these two books and read them. Thanks. If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. I highly recommend audible.com Its changed my life. Full, current and a wide range of books in MP3 format, downloadable to mp3 player -- for about $10/book (with subscription and liberal promotions. Way cheaper than buying the hardcover, no wait for paper backs, and you can do your reading when walking, hiking, driving, shopping,skiing, eating, and sipping shots of expresso in cafes,while admiring the local talent. Its also nice in the bathtub, but I dropped my mp3 player in the water the other day, and its um, not quite the same. Unfortuneatly, not all books are available. MANY are, its a vast library that will keep you listening for life. Then you can supplement your listening with a few paper or e-book versions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS Sunday Morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said to Lawson: TMer-bashing, gross dishonesty, and egregious hypocrisy. Thanks for proving my point, Barry. Just one small reminder to those who may have forgotten (because goodness knows, no one who remembers is going to dare to call Barry on his falsehoods), or who only joined us recently: Barry was bashing me on Fairfield Life before I ever even *got* here--and I came here *at his invitation*. So much for who was trying to recruit folks to his point of view about whom from Day One. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Go figure. The things some people will believe if they tell them to themselves long enough... I personally don't know anything about darshan, or about MMY's abilities or lack in that regard. Who are you talking about specifically? He's talking about people who exist only in his mind. He needs a them to be the target for a putdown. If there's no actual target, he has to invent one. Whereas we *all* know who Judy's target is here on Fairfield Life. It's the person she has personally attacked in over 60 posts (an average of two per day) since mid-March, during a period in which that person has demonstrated admirable restraint by barely even acknow- ledging her existence. :-) It's just extraordinary to me that folks let him get away with this. Yeah, yeah...we know Judy. Your purpose since Day One on this group has been to recruit people to your point of view about Vaj and myself. I think everyone's gotten it by now. And by now they either agree with you or they don't. I would think that to continue with your smear campaign at this point only serves to convince more people of your own level of obsession and *that* you are the True Believer I suggest you are, but that's just me. I suspect you'll keep doing the same thing you've been doing for ten years now**, stalking the people you have labeled anti TMers and trying your best to convert others to your way of thinking about them. And you'll believe that this is a sane and productive thing to do with your life. It's one of the things I find most humorous about True Believers -- their ability to deny that they are True Believers while actively *demonstrating* what they are to anyone who has eyes. :-) ** For amusement purposes, The Best Of Judy Stein, the self-espoused 'non-True Believer' -- http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. http://tinyurl.com/rv33s http://tinyurl.com/rdlla To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. http://tinyurl.com/rv33s http://tinyurl.com/rdlla haha. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 1491
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/140004006X/sr=8-1/qid=1144693369/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8 This is one of the best, and most mind-blowing, myth shattering books that I have read in a while. (Available on audible.com) Editorial Reviews Amazon.com 1491 is not so much the story of a year, as of what that year stands for: the long-debated (and often-dismissed) question of what human civilization in the Americas was like before the Europeans crashed the party. The history books most Americans were (and still are) raised on describe the continents before Columbus as a vast, underused territory, sparsely populated by primitives whose cultures would inevitably bow before the advanced technologies of the Europeans. For decades, though, among the archaeologists, anthropologists, paleolinguists, and others whose discoveries Charles C. Mann brings together in 1491, different stories have been emerging. Among the revelations: the first Americans may not have come over the Bering land bridge around 12,000 B.C. but by boat along the Pacific coast 10 or even 20 thousand years earlier; the Americas were a far more urban, more populated, and more technologically advanced region than generally assumed; and the Indians, rather than living in static harmony with nature, radically engineered the landscape across the continents, to the point that even timeless natural features like the Amazon rainforest can be seen as products of human intervention. Mann is well aware that much of the history he relates is necessarily speculative, the product of pot-shard interpretation and precise scientific measurements that often end up being radically revised in later decades. But the most compelling of his eye-opening revisionist stories are among the best-founded: the stories of early American-European contact. To many of those who were there, the earliest encounters felt more like a meeting of equals than one of natural domination. And those who came later and found an emptied landscape that seemed ripe for the taking, Mann argues convincingly, encountered not the natural and unchanging state of the native American, but the evidence of a sudden calamity: the ravages of what was likely the greatest epidemic in human history, the smallpox and other diseases introduced inadvertently by Europeans to a population without immunity, which swept through the Americas faster than the explorers who brought it, and left behind for their discovery a land that held only a shadow of the thriving cultures that it had sustained for centuries before. --Tom Nissley Reader Reviews 125 of 158 people found the following review helpful: The Pre-Columbian Americas, August 21, 2005 Reviewer: Robert W. Kellemen (Taneytown, MD United States) - See all my reviews (TOP 1000 REVIEWER)(REAL NAME) 1491 is destined to become a much-debated history of pre-Columbian America. Already being called revisionist by some and revolutionary by others, it certainly is not your father's history of Native Americans (who were called Indians by your father's generation, anyway). Those who complain of scant primary support don't understand historiography of pre-historic history. By it's very nature and name, the historian of such societies much rely on more ancillary research and documentation. Mann does so by culling the results from diverse fields such as archaeology, anthropology, sociology, and paleolinguistics. His most fascinating and likely most provable hypothesis results from first-hand accounts from the first Europeans of their first encounters--encounters with people they considered their equals. From this information and copious additional research, Mann hypothesizes that the American continents were richly populated with culturally enriched societies that were killed off by diseases before later Europeans could document their existence. Reviewer: Robert W. Kellemen, Ph.D., is the author of Soul Physicians and Spiritual Friends, and of the forthcoming Beyond the Suffering: The Story of African American Soul Care and Spiritual Direction. 84 of 89 people found the following review helpful: An excellent update on the current academic understanding of pre-Columbian America, November 15, 2005 Reviewer: Ursiform (Torrance, CA USA) - See all my reviews Although recent years have yielded significant progress in understanding how Indians lived throughout the Americas before 1492 and Columbus, only isolated bits of the story have reached the popular press. Far too many people still hold to one of two myths of the Indians, or have little conception at all of pre-Columbian America. The first popular myth is that the Indians were a bunch of primitive savages just keeping the land warm until superior Europeans showed up. It's sad to read reviews here that assert that because Indians used stone tools they were therefore stone age, with the implication that their culture was no further advanced than that early period. The second
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at Tantra@ wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. (Or, that's the only thing he wanted his listeners to think he felt.) It's funny, but it's entirely possible to understand what each of them said as a completely accurate, noncontradictory descriptions of what had happened between them. Quite. And awhile ago we had someone post here who were Governors who when in Australia after that 1976 meeting they brought Muktananda flowers on behalf of MMY and there were good, positive messages from both to the other. Like Rashomon, we all see and interpret situations from the way we want to see it. If that Muktananda follower was hanging around Barry and birds of a feather flock together then, well, you know... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Thanks. Great recounting of something I heard about 30 years ago and always wanted to know more about! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking, quickly got up, sat down right next to Maharishi on his couch, and hugged him. Everyone, the followers of both Masters, were shocked and amazed, and the room became very agitated! People were moving about, taking pic- tures of them, talking, etc. To the best of my knowledge, no one had ever sat down next to Maharishi on his couch, nor snuggled up against him, nor wrapped him in a hug! Maharishi didn't seem upset, and didn't look any more uncomfortable than you'd be if you'd been deep in silence and somebody bounced down onto the couch next to you and grabbed you. Maharishi didn't appear to try and pull away or get up. The two of them exchanged a few private words in the midst of this chaos, then both arose and exited the meeting hall together, leaving the room in turmoil. Some of Muktananda's followers, not aware of the normal etiquette, rushed for the door to follow
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... Gee, Barry, I was only kidding. But I find it interesting that you put yourself on the same level as Muktananda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Rashomon, we all see and interpret situations from the way we want to see it. I have no problem whatsover with this statement. If that Muktananda follower was hanging around Barry and birds of a feather flock together then, well, you know... Or this one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Straight Poop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to this fantastic new group the other night. Its called Neo- Poop. I highly recommend it. They give you the straight poop, right from the horses mouth, so to speak. Its lead by a guy named Poop-a-ji. His darshan is incredible. It is so strong, you can even smell it. I was dazed and dazzled by the time left. The method is to cut right through all your crap. You look directly into Poop-a-ji's eyes and he says, You are shit! I said, That is so profound Popp-a-ji, shit being a metaphor for all the garbage we hold onto that keeps us bound and individual. He said, No, I mean literaly you are Shit. Well that just floor me, and I fell into an estatic trance upon offerings dropped all over the floor. I awoke and found I had permanently realized my essential nature. Its so so powerful, you can smell it. For all you long-term seekers, you just have to do it. Really, you too can be a shithead. Really. I am living proof. [Sitting at the dinner table] Freddy Benson (played by Steve Martin): Excuse me. May I go to the bathroom first? Lawrence Jamieson (played by Michael Caine): Of course you may. Freddy Benson: [after a pause, and with relief] Thank you. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels (1988) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... I heard an account of one woman who had sex with him (muktananda) say something along the lines of 'It wasn't really like regular sex, for instance, he did not have an erection.' Maybe it was a lot like Barry. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Straight Poop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I went to this fantastic new group the other night. Its called Neo- Poop. I highly recommend it. They give you the straight poop, right from the horses mouth, so to speak. Its lead by a guy named Poop-a-ji. His darshan is incredible. It is so strong, you can even smell it. I was dazed and dazzled by the time left. The method is to cut right through all your crap. You look directly into Poop-a-ji's eyes and he says, You are shit! I said, That is so profound Popp-a-ji, shit being a metaphor for all the garbage we hold onto that keeps us bound and individual. He said, No, I mean literaly you are Shit. Well that just floor me, and I fell into an estatic trance upon offerings dropped all over the floor. I awoke and found I had permanently realized my essential nature. Its so so powerful, you can smell it. For all you long-term seekers, you just have to do it. Really, you too can be a shithead. Really. I am living proof. [Sitting at the dinner table] Freddy Benson (played by Steve Martin): Excuse me. May I go to the bathroom first? Lawrence Jamieson (played by Michael Caine): Of course you may. Freddy Benson: [after a pause, and with relief] Thank you. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels (1988) Aunty Entity: We call it Underworld. That's where Bartertown gets its energy. Max: What, oil? Natural gas? Aunty Entity: Pigs. Max: You mean pigs like those? Aunty Entity: That's right. Max: Bullshit! Aunty Entity: No. Pig shit. Max: What? The Collector: Pig shit. The lights, the motors, the vehicles, all run by a high-powered gas called methane. And methane cometh from pig shit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... I heard an account of one woman who had sex with him (muktananda) say something along the lines of 'It wasn't really like regular sex, for instance, he did not have an erection.' Maybe it was a lot like Barry. :) Actually, there was a big expose about Muktananda's sex life after he died. And about 10 years ago it was replayed in a New Yorker article called Oh, guru, guru, guru. Apparently, he had stirrup- like tables built for him (of the kind that females sit in when they visit their lady-problems doctors) which he used to have genital-to- genital contact with young underage virgins (preferably) and, yes, like you state, he never had an erection. Indeed, some of the ladies recounted having incredible spiritual experiences as a result. So maybe THAT was alot like Barry. Others, of course, were traumatized for life by these experiences and we had one such individual Muktananda follower who used to post to this forum several years back who related her experiences with him to us. If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... Gee, Barry, I was only kidding. But I find it interesting that you put yourself on the same level as Muktananda. You don't get it. The universe is so bent that I really *could* have slept with some of the same women that Swami Muktananda did. I have no indication that this is true, but it's defin- itely not out of the question. Without going into it, a lot of the TM women who were...uh... starfuckers...in the early days of that movement later jumped ship and went over to Muktananda. I was merely laughing that the rumors about the number of his sexual conquests seem to have come from the same quarter that the rumors about mine did, and seem to bear the same relationship to reality. Believe me, if Swami Muktananda was into fucking whoever the hell he felt like fucking and telling those who had issues with that to spelunk their own assholes eternally, I'd be *proud* to be on the same level as him. But to be honest, I've never really thought about it, and since I never met the gentleman in real life, can't speculate... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! I defer to anoncouscousananda. When the man's right, he's right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? A very nice, funny and hot early LA SIMS UCLA girl, a la 1966, who amongst other things, dated Elvis Presley, took a daily swim in the MIU Santa Barbara pool watched by every male there, especially as she raised herself out of the pool, water streaming off her in the sunlight (I swear, it was in slow motion, haha), later was around Seelsiberg / Int'l a lot, was an M. group teacher for a while (I beleive), married an Italan count, and sadly died of a brain tumor some years ago. While quite nice,sweet,and vivacious, she had, or could invoke, a quite vampish look. Karen, may you be happy and flourishing where ever you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? Very pretty and intelligent woman who did some of the early research on TM. Died of brain cancer a few years ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! I defer to anoncouscousananda. When the man's right, he's right. Which is far more frequently than you can comprehend. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. 40,000 were Sparaig's. 20,000 were judy and barry telling each other why the other are such dumbshits. 10,000 were Ron F. Of the remaining 10,000, 253 were interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? A very nice, funny and hot early LA SIMS UCLA girl, a la 1966, who amongst other things, dated Elvis Presley, took a daily swim in the MIU Santa Barbara pool watched by every male there, especially as she raised herself out of the pool, water streaming off her in the sunlight (I swear, it was in slow motion, haha)... What he said. And it really was in slow motion. She was magical, a veritable dakini. Karen, may you be happy and flourishing where ever you are. Big AMEN from over here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. 40,000 were Sparaig's. 20,000 were judy and barry telling each other why the other are such dumbshits. 10,000 were Ron F. Of the remaining 10,000, 253 were interesting. Can't argue with statistics. :-) I thought there were only 249, personally, but hey! different strokes for different folks... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. Whoa! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
On Apr 10, 2006, at 1:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. Sky Dancer : The Secret Life Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel http://trawicry.notlong.com The Divine Madman http://jayhorat.notlong.com also see: http://keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm Masters of Enchantment (on the 84 Mahasiddhas) http://keithdowman.net/books/bme.htm Have you read the Aghora trilogy by Robert Svoboda? The first book is a must read. Also: Women of Wisdom by Tsultrim Allione. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
Many thanks. Know the first two all too well already, will look into the other ones... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 1:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. Sky Dancer : The Secret Life Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel http://trawicry.notlong.com The Divine Madman http://jayhorat.notlong.com also see: http://keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm Masters of Enchantment (on the 84 Mahasiddhas) http://keithdowman.net/books/bme.htm Have you read the Aghora trilogy by Robert Svoboda? The first book is a must read. Also: Women of Wisdom by Tsultrim Allione. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. And maybe some shakipat? Maybe. Jim (my friend) was totally into Muktananda at that point in his life, and was rather unimpressed with Maharishi. Jim and his buddies were heavy into the shaktipat scene, and the way things were around Muktananda's movement, which he tells me were light and informal and fun. He was pretty underwhelmed when he encoun- tered a spiritual environment that was the opposite: heavy, formal to a fault, and where (in his words) Having fun seemed to be considered a sin by most of the people I talked to. I never met Muktananda, so I don't know first-hand about his movement or how it was different from Maharishi's. I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. I heard he had a woody...until Mukti hugged him. Then he could finally stand up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Summer By The Pool Reading List (was Re: Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 1:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: If anyone else has suggestions for really off the wall spiritual shit (you know what I'm like), post away. I really am looking for a summer's worth of cafe reading. Thanks in advance. Sky Dancer : The Secret Life Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel http://trawicry.notlong.com yeshe tsogyal. apology accepted if you don't know of her. she is the consumate female yogi, and the events of her life-story, with its sweet and bitter struggles as a stunning village-beauty offerred in marriage to the king of tibet, to her tantric initiation and education and subsequent practice (under the guidance of her consort padmasambhava, the mystic yogi credited with bringing tantra to tibet), all serve to exemplify the triumph over ignorance and suffering. this book is heavy at times (she went through some tuff stuff) but you will be a better woman for reading it (males and females alike!) The Divine Madman http://jayhorat.notlong.com also see: http://keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm I read this book via a borrowed first edition, in one mesmerized sitting. 2nd ed. should be same. Now I must own it as soon as re-published! A fabulous story of the Buddhist monk whose left-hand path will scandalize some and delight others. I visited Drukpa Kunley's monastery in Bhutan and received the resident head monk's blessing with both the wooden phallus and the ivory one. Kunley created Bhutan's national animal, the Takin, and spread both his generous organ's output and the Dharma over the Himalaya. Worshiped by all women he met, he conquered Bon magicians and otherwise gave Buddhism a full-bodied life. Must reading for all adults. Masters of Enchantment (on the 84 Mahasiddhas) http://keithdowman.net/books/bme.htm Have you read the Aghora trilogy by Robert Svoboda? The first book is a must read. This book cuts through all of the west's romanticized notions about what is Tantra, what is not. Full of humor,wit, wisdom. This is a rollercaoster ride through the wold of Tantra which reads like fiction, while being completely factual. The best book I have read in my life ! First I would like to thank Svoboda for writing it ! Second, a word of advice:If you are not a true tantric and if you do not intend to be one,or if you do not know what tantra is,best to read something else on tantra first,because there are chances you will not like it so much if you read it first ! ( by the way,Tantra has actually very little to do with sex ) ... This valuable addition to author Robert Svoboda's outstanding Aghora trilogy makes a vivid and illuminatingly frank contribution to our understanding of what spiritual masters--and we--are and aren't. Principal among these is the apparent fact detailed extensively in this book that enlightenment comes in a wide variety of shades but, in any case, cannot erase, by far, every inclination of the human personality of the enlightened. The great aghori Vimilananda's ownership of racehorses and his adventures at the track are a case in point dramatically pertinent to this apparent anomaly. Following Svoboda's account of his teacher's response to his own karma and that of his track competitors, students and family is, ironically, a Vedantic lesson in detachment from attempting to understand the whys and hows of the way things happen. For the open-minded, this book does present many intriguing indicators as to how behavior and attitudes in this life may affect the cards dealt to us in future births. Readers who recall the basic premise of Advaita Vedanta (Vimilananda's spiritual orientation), however, may remind themselves as they read this book that, since doing is only apparent-doing, and it is Life that lives life, what the heck difference does the understanding of karma matter anyway? Dissecting the complexities of karma is not only impossible but an activity appropriate only for those still involved in the futile task of self re-creation. Own this book if only for the cover which has to be a first: a truly spiritual book decorated with a color photo of racehorses pounding to the finish line in Bombay! We meet again Vimalananda, the Skotch-guzzling, chain-smoking, horse-racing, corpse-sitting tantrika of Aghora: At The Left Hand of God fame. Anyone remotely interested in tantra, yoga or Indian philosophy should read this book, if only for the marvelous allegorical interpretations of the Vedas and Vedangas that you may not find elsewhere. For example, Indra is the Lord of the Senses (Indrayi); and the esoteric Ramayana is a story of Hanuman/Prana's crossing the sea/chakras to the muladhara/Lanka where Sita/Kundalini lies captive, hostage to sense-deluded Ravana. Some stories are best taken with a pinch of salt--a pinch to make sure you're awake; salt to learn the alchemical lessons: for example, turning the sadhu's sandals to ash by mere touch (holy smoke!) or judging
[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: As i said previously, the breaking of IT into infinite flow of time, and infinte increments of space is the core delusion of an unperfected intellect, not a perfected one. So, how does the intellect function if not through its ability to discriminate? If we always just recognize, and operate within, an undifferentiated blob of infinity, what is the use of the intellect? Why have one? Are you saying that you don't have one? Its a quite a non-sequitur to presume that when the intellect realizes the falseness of slicing Oneness into into infinite flow of increments of time, and infinte increments of space that it is no longer functioning. My point is that once the intellect is perfected, there comes into the awareness a potential matrix of infinite time and infinite space. This allows us to discriminate time and space, without which thought and action would be impossible. I don't follow. In your view, how then does one discriminate time and space, have thoughts, conduct action, and function in the world before the intellect is perfected. In other words, you appear to hold that this awareness, this perfected intellect -- a potential matrix of infinite time and infinite space is what allows for the discrimination of time and space, which is what enables thought and action. So what enabled thought and action prior to this perfected intellect Also you did not address the point on cosmic computer -- a term used by MMY and a number of saints. Is this what you are trying to get at with universal, yet accessible, perfected intellect? Yes, the perfected intellect is what stabilizes this potential matrix of time and space. it is in operation during ignorance too, only not fully available to the actor. The cosmic computer idea seems to incorporate the concept of a program within the computer. I am just talking about the hardware, not software, if the analogy holds...Actually that question arose-- what is the motive force behind the movement within the time/space matrix-- and I'm still working on it... Also, I see a lot about premature claims of enlightenment here. How much enlightenment is real enlightenment? When it is permanent. Do we then know as much as we will ever know? No, learning continues. Learning always continues, the demarcation between 100% enlightenment and 99% enlightenment being that the 100% sees the world and themselves as they are, whereas 99% doesn't, exactly. It is a funny thing and seems to involve a significant and unmistakeable phase transition, from 99% to 100%. The other observation I personally noticed is that I was far more aware of my blissful moments before. Now I don't notice bliss or transcendence or witnessing like I used to. It is weird and different, but I am adjusting to it... What does it matter? It doesn't, unless we are interested in such a thing. Before, I used to get quite blissed-out at random times, experiencing the so-called higher states of consciousness, like the time I saw and was with Guru Dev, I thought, this is it, I am there!!! and then WHAM... no such luck. Ha-Ha! Picked up the pieces and went on. So, its something to watch for. Probably lots and lots of bliss and witnessing is a good indicator that it isn't permanent. Sometimes I'll still have this bliss blasting out of the crown of my head, but that isn't enlightenment per se. It s a great feeling, but it isn't indicative of being truly free. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] we're pretty far down the river. Ain't it about time we decide where we're going
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[FairfieldLife] Characteristics of Enlightenment
Davy Crockett: I'm half-horse, half-alligator and a little attached with snapping turtle. I've got the fastest horse, the prettiest sister, the surest rifle and the ugliest dog in Texas. My father can lick any man in Kentucky... and I can lick my father. I can hug a bear too close for comfort and eat any man alive opposed to Andy Jackson. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
