[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I don¹t have an iPod and I¹d rather no buy one. Can I just go to Radio Shack and buy something that would let me patch my cheap tape recorder into my Mac or PC? If I accomplished that step, what software would I need to edit the audio tracks? QuickTime? Garage Band? Something else on the PC? You just need the right audio cable. Different Macs have different audio I/O, though, so you need to check the specific stuff. The PC tends to have more standard I/O on the low end. There's bunches of freeware/shareware that would do the trick on either platform. I'd ask on a platform-specific newsgroup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital
On Jun 18, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Rick Archer wrote:Thanks. I don’t have an iPod and I’d rather no buy one. Can I just go to Radio Shack and buy something that would let me patch my cheap tape recorder into my Mac or PC? If I accomplished that step, what software would I need to edit the audio tracks? QuickTime? Garage Band? Something else on the PC?It will depend on the Mac you have. Most Macs will have an audio input which is a single 1/8" stereo miniplug. I digitized a lot of old tapes which were out of print and I went directly from the stereo RCA outputs of my cassette player to a 1/8 stereo miniplug I got at Radio Shack. Amadeus would work, but so would Garageband, which has a lot more sound modification options in it (Garageband 3). If you own Toast, you should also have an application which came with that which allows you to record from LP's and tapes and then split them into segments as you please. Amadeus will do the same thing. There is also a free MP3 editing utility, but I forget it's name--MP3 edit or something like that.If you don't have a sound input, then iMic is a good option--all it needs is a USB port. iMic also has software specifically for taking old tunes off of LP's and cassettes and then splitting them up. I got mine at Radio Shack for 30 USD. Hope that helps! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teacher recertification course
Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas for a million, rajas for a 100k. Re-certification, de-certification course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else now. The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as part of the discussion. Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The FFL archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the March 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the subject headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. I found this one in the early April posts... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- cert course. Best Regards, -Doug Hamilton FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- recertification course? I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official invitation to recertification. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough course and as a result all of the recertified teachers are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Walker kids
Hi, 6.18.06 Jennifer just arrived down there (Sunday). I spoke with her and Will Hamilton who is also down there in Tennessee. Timmy, the boy who was driving was out of surgery for puttting his arm and shoulder back together on the weekend. Multiple breaks put back together with pins and such. Rose with cracks in her pelvis and tailbone is released from hospital and walking painfully with a walker. Danny the boy with downs had a punctured lung originally and has now been released to the family. Elizabeth, Lizzy had multiple breaks in her pelvis, protruding bones, internal bleeding. That was worked on right away with a day of surgery. She is alert and awake now. Possibly/probably they will have to do more to piece her pelvis back together. They are waiting to see how the wounds seal over and also see her internal organ functions. The others in the car were bruised, banged and cut with flying glass etc. A lot of their cuts were stapled together in emergency room and they are since released. There was a girlfriend also in the car. She was banged up but released quickly. The Walker parents are both there on it and attending to the kids. They have some rooms in a nearby hotel. Their kids who have been released are with them. Sounds like the kids are sedated for pain and everyone is getting their first nights of sleep since it happened. William Hamilton was not in the wreck but went down there right away after the wreck escorting the Walker mom, Heidi. They arrived there at 7:30am that morning after the wreck. It evidently was a SUV type of wreck. The kid driving swerved at 70 mph and the vehicle started rolling. Three were ejected. Airbags evidently held some of them in. Amazingly, no fatality, no spinal injury or brain injury in the bunch. Jennifer Hamilton along with Elsie Smith and her daughter Happy have driven Heidi Walker's car down there having left Farifield this weekend. Jennifer as an RN, Will as a paramedic and Elsie with supplies of herbs, remidies, and good food will cover with this extra help. Many people sent things along with the car. Happy is a good friend of the Walker kids. The care at Vanderbuilt has been superb, top-flight. Jennifer and Will as medical people are impressed thus far. At least three of the kids are going to take a long time to re-cover. I would suspect that the Walker family, Heidi in particular will need some cash to live down there for a while. With Kind Regards, -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Walker kids
How people can drive without seatbelts is beyond comprehension. --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 6.18.06 Jennifer just arrived down there (Sunday). I spoke with her and Will Hamilton who is also down there in Tennessee. Timmy, the boy who was driving was out of surgery for puttting his arm and shoulder back together on the weekend. Multiple breaks put back together with pins and such. Rose with cracks in her pelvis and tailbone is released from hospital and walking painfully with a walker. Danny the boy with downs had a punctured lung originally and has now been released to the family. Elizabeth, Lizzy had multiple breaks in her pelvis, protruding bones, internal bleeding. That was worked on right away with a day of surgery. She is alert and awake now. Possibly/probably they will have to do more to piece her pelvis back together. They are waiting to see how the wounds seal over and also see her internal organ functions. The others in the car were bruised, banged and cut with flying glass etc. A lot of their cuts were stapled together in emergency room and they are since released. There was a girlfriend also in the car. She was banged up but released quickly. The Walker parents are both there on it and attending to the kids. They have some rooms in a nearby hotel. Their kids who have been released are with them. Sounds like the kids are sedated for pain and everyone is getting their first nights of sleep since it happened. William Hamilton was not in the wreck but went down there right away after the wreck escorting the Walker mom, Heidi. They arrived there at 7:30am that morning after the wreck. It evidently was a SUV type of wreck. The kid driving swerved at 70 mph and the vehicle started rolling. Three were ejected. Airbags evidently held some of them in. Amazingly, no fatality, no spinal injury or brain injury in the bunch. Jennifer Hamilton along with Elsie Smith and her daughter Happy have driven Heidi Walker's car down there having left Farifield this weekend. Jennifer as an RN, Will as a paramedic and Elsie with supplies of herbs, remidies, and good food will cover with this extra help. Many people sent things along with the car. Happy is a good friend of the Walker kids. The care at Vanderbuilt has been superb, top-flight. Jennifer and Will as medical people are impressed thus far. At least three of the kids are going to take a long time to re-cover. I would suspect that the Walker family, Heidi in particular will need some cash to live down there for a while. With Kind Regards, -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Walker kids
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Walker kids on 6/19/06 10:24 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How people can drive without seatbelts is beyond comprehension. Im such a fanatic that if Im driving from the Amoco station to Everybodys, right across the street, Ill put my seatbelt on. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Converting analog audio to digital
Use the audio line-in on your PC or Mac. You can use the free Audacity program to record, edit and create the MP3 files. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Rick Archer wrote: I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity is not a priority. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing that need cooling down at wikipedia are the overheated brains of the Christian fundamentalists and other idiots that holds this article hostage. The problem did not start with a lot of material being added - this was actually met with some accolade (yes, I did get inspired when I spoitted that one of my favorit places for other types of info also had an article on TM and MMY). What prompted the Kali's Dead-Enders to lock me out was that I happened to take the criticism in this article seriously and investigated the sources used. I made a few observations on the unreliability of these (apperently hosted by anonmyous entities also hosting xxx-sites). The only response I got was rather muted and simply proclaimed ignorance of behind-the-TM-facade.org front-site. The the WHOIS entry for behind-the-TM-facade.org refers to Unstress4less, and the site's content does appear to me to be the same as the original Unstress4less site, which was likely the creation of a Christian fundie who used to post on a.m.t as Petrus. The most likely reason for Unstress4less now being a site about penis enlargement is that the original owner let the domain registration lapse, and it was scooped up by a domain squatter. Here is an article I posted to a.m.t in 2001 that details the info I was able to sniff out on the Unstress4less site: http://tinyurl.com/odqt5 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker kids
Could you plaease post an address where we might send financial aid? Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 6.18.06 Jennifer just arrived down there (Sunday). I spoke with her and Will Hamilton who is also down there in Tennessee. Timmy, the boy who was driving was out of surgery for puttting his arm and shoulder back together on the weekend. Multiple breaks put back together with pins and such. Rose with cracks in her pelvis and tailbone is released from hospital and walking painfully with a walker. Danny the boy with downs had a punctured lung originally and has now been released to the family. Elizabeth, Lizzy had multiple breaks in her pelvis, protruding bones, internal bleeding. That was worked on right away with a day of surgery. She is alert and awake now. Possibly/probably they will have to do more to piece her pelvis back together. They are waiting to see how the wounds seal over and also see her internal organ functions. The others in the car were bruised, banged and cut with flying glass etc. A lot of their cuts were stapled together in emergency room and they are since released. There was a girlfriend also in the car. She was banged up but released quickly. The Walker parents are both there on it and attending to the kids. They have some rooms in a nearby hotel. Their kids who have been released are with them. Sounds like the kids are sedated for pain and everyone is getting their first nights of sleep since it happened. William Hamilton was not in the wreck but went down there right away after the wreck escorting the Walker mom, Heidi. They arrived there at 7:30am that morning after the wreck. It evidently was a SUV type of wreck. The kid driving swerved at 70 mph and the vehicle started rolling. Three were ejected. Airbags evidently held some of them in. Amazingly, no fatality, no spinal injury or brain injury in the bunch. Jennifer Hamilton along with Elsie Smith and her daughter Happy have driven Heidi Walker's car down there having left Farifield this weekend. Jennifer as an RN, Will as a paramedic and Elsie with supplies of herbs, remidies, and good food will cover with this extra help. Many people sent things along with the car. Happy is a good friend of the Walker kids. The care at Vanderbuilt has been superb, top-flight. Jennifer and Will as medical people are impressed thus far. At least three of the kids are going to take a long time to re-cover. I would suspect that the Walker family, Heidi in particular will need some cash to live down there for a while. With Kind Regards, -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/06 10:24 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How people can drive without seatbelts is beyond comprehension. I�m such a fanatic that if I�m driving from the Amoco station to Everybody�s, right across the street, I�ll put my seatbelt on. I won't even start my truck without putting on my seatbelt because I hate the buzzer noise. The reason I don't disconnect the buzzer is that it also reminds me when I've left my lights on after shutting the engine off (which I always do when I have to use my headlights during daylight hours). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Walker kids
Once you've been in an accident a little more serious than a fender-bender, you relize how fast accidents occur and how thing happen much faster than your reaction time's ability to correct them. Many people seem not to realize that in a rollover accident at high speed, your odds of getting ejected from the car are about 100%. They happen in South Florida all the time. A neighbor of mine is a deputy and he says that often with rollovers they find the car, but no bodies. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/06 10:24 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How people can drive without seatbelts is beyond comprehension. I¹m such a fanatic that if I¹m driving from the Amoco station to Everybody¹s, right across the street, I¹ll put my seatbelt on. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Walker kids
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Walker kids on 6/19/06 12:17 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you've been in an accident a little more serious than a fender-bender, you relize how fast accidents occur and how thing happen much faster than your reaction time's ability to correct them. Many people seem not to realize that in a rollover accident at high speed, your odds of getting ejected from the car are about 100%. They happen in South Florida all the time. A neighbor of mine is a deputy and he says that often with rollovers they find the car, but no bodies. The alligators eat them? Ill bet them pesky gators put debris (perhaps human bones) on the highway to cause rollovers, then wait in the bushes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Wind Side Story
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[FairfieldLife] Rolling Stone article full of ca-ca
Monday, June 19, 2006 10:27 a.m. EDT Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 2004 Voter Theft Theory Debunked Cleveland's leading newspaper has checked out a new article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claiming that Republicans stole the 2004 presidential election in Ohio, and concluded that Kennedy's story is nonsense. In the June 15 issue of Rolling Stone, under the headline Was the 2004 Election Stolen? Kennedy writes: A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004 -- more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes. But the Cleveland Plain Dealer regarded as anything but a conservative newspaper headlines a June 18 article: Rest assured, we checked out Election 2004 thoroughly, and states: There was no shortage of mistakes made in vote counting. There were voters who should have been registered but weren't, polling places with lines that were too long and without enough voting machines, and decisions from [Secretary of State Ken] Blackwell that appeared to be partisan. All these mistakes and misjudgments took votes from both candidates, but probably more from Kerry. But they didn't add up to nearly enough votes to swing Ohio from Bush to Kerry. The mistakes were bipartisan in nature and not a result of Republican chicanery. The Plain Dealer article by Ted Diadiun points to several instances when Kennedy ignored the facts, including: In his online footnotes, Kennedy refers no less than a half-dozen times to a five-month-long post-election investigation commissioned by the Democratic National Committee called `Democracy at Risk.' Somehow he never gets around to quoting the DNC investigative team's conclusion that `The statistical study of precinct-level data does not suggest the occurrence of widespread fraud that systemically misallocated votes from Kerry to Bush. The newspaper also notes: Kennedy saw conspiracy in a Franklin County foul-up that resulted in far too few voting machines at a polling place in a heavily black area that would presumably vote mainly for Kerry. But he didn't tell his readers that the chairman of the Franklin County elections board, who oversaw the county's voting machine allocation, was a black man who also chairs the county Democratic Party. Not a likely candidate to steal votes for Bush. Plain Dealer Metro Editor Jean Dubail said this about the Kennedy article: My first reaction after reading the thing was how little actual news there was in it. Carl Weiser, government and public affairs editor for the Cincinnati Enquirer, expressed similar sentiments: I read it and nothing in there was really new. The folks who know Ohio elections best checked into it and found there was no conspiracy. And a story by Farhad Manjoo on the Web site Salon.com another news source that's far from conservative states: If you do read Kennedy's article, be prepared to machete your way through numerous errors of interpretations and his deliberate omission of key bits of data. The Plain Dealer concludes: The less somebody knows about the 2004 Ohio election and the father away from Ohio he is, the more likely he is to find merit in that Rolling Stone piece. And since our audience is right here in Northeast Ohio, I'm sure that most of you have already figured out that it's nonsense. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone article full of ca-ca
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:27 a.m. EDT Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 2004 Voter Theft Theory Debunked Cleveland's leading newspaper has checked out a new article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claiming that Republicans stole the 2004 presidential election in Ohio, and concluded that Kennedy's story is nonsense. snip Plain Dealer Metro Editor Jean Dubail said this about the Kennedy article: My first reaction after reading the thing was how little actual news there was in it. Straw-man criticism. News wasn't the point; the point was putting all the data together in one place and finding the patterns. There's no news in the Plain Dealer piece either, except perhaps the unsurprising fact that they didn't bother to note that there have been *rebuttals* to these same criticisms, which others had already trotted out. snip And a story by Farhad Manjoo on the Web site Salon.com another news source that's far from conservative states: If you do read Kennedy's article, be prepared to machete your way through numerous errors of interpretations and his deliberate omission of key bits of data. Uh-huh. Except that Manjoo has been on a crusade against any suggestions that the election was stolen; it's his stock in trade. Salon publishes him because it knows his take is controversial. But his article has been very largely rebutted, including by RFK himself in an article published in Salon. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teacher recertification course
Doug, Thanks much! I'll dig around next week or so.. am on the road right now. Appreciating the navigational tips. later g :)) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas for a million, rajas for a 100k. Re-certification, de-certification course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else now. The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as part of the discussion. Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The FFL archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the March 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the subject headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. I found this one in the early April posts... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- cert course. Best Regards, -Doug Hamilton FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: Hi all! Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- recertification course? I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official invitation to recertification. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough course and as a result all of the recertified teachers are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity is not a priority. You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant for taking memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively cheap ($30 for the microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac or PC via the firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software. With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape recorder to the audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire connector. Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the Mac's microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often assume that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI converters, etc. Macs most likely have a 2K ohm mic input so they can be used with any consumer computer microphone. If your experience in electronics goes back a few decades you'll realize that is much lower than older high impedance mics which were usually anything from 20K to 50K. And higher than the professional balanced input 200-250 ohm low impedance. I find that if they line output of a device doesn't work with the line-in it will with the mic in but you have to attenuate the level a bit (usually in the software). Professional sound cards accommodate the balanced line in thought that is usually handled by the mixing board. My card takes the line in from my mixing board. But I use a PC as I had too much invested in software to switch ships. Nowadays you can even get the DigiDesign stuff for the PC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity is not a priority. You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant for taking memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively cheap ($30 for the microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac or PC via the firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software. With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape recorder to the audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire connector. Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the Mac's microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often assume that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI converters, etc. Macs most likely have a 2K ohm mic input so they can be used with any consumer computer microphone. If your experience in electronics goes back a few decades you'll realize that is much lower than older high impedance mics which were usually anything from 20K to 50K. And higher than the professional balanced input 200-250 ohm low impedance. I find that if they line output of a device doesn't work with the line-in it will with the mic in but you have to attenuate the level a bit (usually in the software). Sounds about right. ADHD that I am, I look up the specs, buy the right stuff and forget what exactly was needed since I only do it once per Mac or thereabouts. Professional sound cards accommodate the balanced line in thought that is usually handled by the mixing board. My card takes the line in from my mixing board. But I use a PC as I had too much invested in software to switch ships. Nowadays you can even get the DigiDesign stuff for the PC. Nothing beats GarageBand, IMHO, on the low end. And Logic Pro is just about as good as it gets on the high end, as far as I can tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wind Side Story
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Wind Side Story on 6/19/06 1:20 PM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.windside.com/ Cost? U.S. Distributor? How many or how large a one needed to power a house? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker kids
It's a miracle they're alive. They're going to have to put up with the comment I heard ad nauseam after breaking my leg - but not my un-helmeted head - in a motorcycle accident: You're lucky. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 6/19/06 10:24 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote: How people can drive without seatbelts is beyond comprehension. I�m such a fanatic that if I�m driving from the Amoco station to Everybody�s, right across the street, I�ll put my seatbelt on. I won't even start my truck without putting on my seatbelt because I hate the buzzer noise. The reason I don't disconnect the buzzer is that it also reminds me when I've left my lights on after shutting the engine off (which I always do when I have to use my headlights during daylight hours). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital
Cool, geek audio talk! I use a Motu digitizer into Sound Forge cuz I don't multi-track and only need two stereo mikes. I may move to Logic someday if I decide to go with more mikes. For live shows I use a stereo miked Sony mini disc recorder. The thing is tiny and holds a gig at CD quality. It is overkill for Rick's use but it works great. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹m taking tabla lessons and I record them. How can I patch a regular analog tape recorder into my Mac or PC so as to create mp3¹s of each separate rhythm I¹m studying? What hardware and software do I need? Would I be better off getting a digital tape recorder? Can in iPod serve as a digital tape recorder? I¹d prefer to just use a regular tape recorder, as high fidelity is not a priority. You can use an iPod to record audio. It's not exactly great sound (its meant for taking memos), but it can be done. The main advantages are that its relatively cheap ($30 for the microphone and no other equipment needed) and it plugs straight into a Mac or PC via the firewire/USB iPod link and iTunes software. With any other solution, you need either an audio connector from the tape recorder to the audio-in jack or jacks with the right voltage/ohm rating, or a USB/firewire connector. Most/all modern tape recorders come with one or more of these though the Mac's microphone input may not be the consumer standard since Apple designs often assume that professional equipment is being used. You can also get USB/MIDI converters, etc. Macs most likely have a 2K ohm mic input so they can be used with any consumer computer microphone. If your experience in electronics goes back a few decades you'll realize that is much lower than older high impedance mics which were usually anything from 20K to 50K. And higher than the professional balanced input 200-250 ohm low impedance. I find that if they line output of a device doesn't work with the line-in it will with the mic in but you have to attenuate the level a bit (usually in the software). Sounds about right. ADHD that I am, I look up the specs, buy the right stuff and forget what exactly was needed since I only do it once per Mac or thereabouts. Professional sound cards accommodate the balanced line in thought that is usually handled by the mixing board. My card takes the line in from my mixing board. But I use a PC as I had too much invested in software to switch ships. Nowadays you can even get the DigiDesign stuff for the PC. Nothing beats GarageBand, IMHO, on the low end. And Logic Pro is just about as good as it gets on the high end, as far as I can tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walker kids
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walker kids They were heading for http://www.bonnaroo.com/2006/ __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--Thanks, I'll get back to you in about 2 hrs to copy more of the article. The idea that scientific inquiry could have a bearing on free will is a new twist to me, since I thought it was solely a philosophical question. OTOH, Einstein and others were fascinated by the question raised by Bishop Berkeley: is a tree there if nobody's looking at it? Of course, Einstein thought the whole idea was abusurd; (the importance of an observer was emphasized a great deal by his opponent, Neils Bohr; so Einstein brought up a new twist: is the MOON there if nobody was looking at it?) Einstein thought it unnecessary to have an observer in the category of a human, for a number of reasons. An alternative viewpoint, voiced by a recent contributor, is that the universe Itself is the Observer; and this proposal eliminates the need to have humans in a special favored place in the universe (as opposed, to say...chimps, who also can observe;, but if chimps, then why not other creatures like cockroaches?). I'm also planning on presenting some summaries of other recent articles, from New Scientist and Scientific American; that tend to support a basis for a New, New, Physics as opposed to the New Physics propounded by MMY and a few other people during the 70's. (specifically, such persons equated Being with some QM entity). This attempt at equating the Unmanifest with something within the realm of science, bombed; as we know; and such persons could have saved themselves the trouble of promoting that false identity if they had only paid more attention to the writings of the original quantum pioneers such as Schroedinager, Bohr, Heisenberg, and DeBroglie. The original pioneers already were aware of the possibility of equating some QM entity (a field?) to the Unmanifest, but the notion was rejected on the grounds that any such QM entity discovered so far is strictly a relative phenomenon. OTOH, some QM principles may point to the Unmanifest in some analogous way; but one must be careful about proclaiming an actual identity when none is there. There's always the danger that noble intentions can cross the boundary into Ignoble science, as Dr. Hagelin found out.(1994). [EMAIL PROTECTED], authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: snip I left the article at home and forgot my password, so I can only copy what's in the Newscientist website: the first paragraph. I sure would love it if you could copy in more when you have access to the article again--at least if it's not too technical. Many thanks for the summary. Somehow I doubt dueling mathematical formulas are going to lead to a definitive resolution of the issue, but the arguments ought to be fun! Definitive scientific proof of determinism would most likely be disastrous for the psyche of the human race, absent some larger concept along the lines of that advanced by Schroedinger to validate the *sense* of free will in the Atman = Brahman type of context. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I'm also planning on presenting some summaries of other recent articles, from New Scientist and Scientific American; that tend to support a basis for a New, New, Physics as opposed to the New Physics propounded by MMY and a few other people during the 70's. (specifically, such persons equated Being with some QM entity). This attempt at equating the Unmanifest with something within the realm of science, bombed; as we know; and such persons could have saved themselves the trouble of promoting that false identity if they had only paid more attention to the writings of the original quantum pioneers such as Schroedinager, Bohr, Heisenberg, and DeBroglie. The original pioneers already were aware of the possibility of equating some QM entity (a field?) to the Unmanifest, but the notion was rejected on the grounds that any such QM entity discovered so far is strictly a relative phenomenon. OTOH, some QM principles may point to the Unmanifest in some analogous way; but one must be careful about proclaiming an actual identity when none is there. There's always the danger that noble intentions can cross the boundary into Ignoble science, as Dr. Hagelin found out.(1994). Dr. Hagelin's Ig Noble award came for his Maharishi Effect research, and was awarded BEFORE the research was published, BTW, so it was based on media accounts and not the actual published study (whether this would make a difference to skeptics or not is immaterial --the research wasn't published at that point and shouldn't have been eligible in the first place). And its not a field that is considered the Unmanifest but The Unified Field. You've read Hagelin's paper Is Consciousness the Unified Field? and can refute it, I take it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Converting analog audio to digital Its working like a charm. I just bought a simple mono audio cable at Radio Shack and connected the headphone jack on my cheap $9 Wal-Mart tape recorder to the mic jack on the front of my PC. Using Audacity and with a little fiddling with the volume, it was easy to record, edit, and save as MP3s. Question: I cant hear whats being recorded as its being recorded. I have to play it back to hear what Ive got. How can I hear as Im recording? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas for a million, rajas for 500k. Re-certification, de- certification course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else now. The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as part of the discussion. Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The FFL archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the March 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the subject headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. I found this one in the early April posts... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- cert course. Best Regards, -Doug Hamilton FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: Hi all! Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- recertification course? I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official invitation to recertification. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough course and as a result all of the recertified teachers are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. Hey Gina, I searched a little bit. Once you get the hang of it there are gems to find. There is a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with FF or FFL. But in between there is some interesting stuff too. Some people have thrilled with filling things up here otherwise to obviscate the subject. So it is. Here are some things that might interest your research: 'Buy a Raja'. For a million or so. 50% down will do. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45050?l=1 The re-cert and de-certification of the TMO. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45444?threaded=1 De-certification of the TMO, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/46041?l=1 Epilogue Re-cert, A lot of people off the hook with de-certification: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 These posts scratch the surface. Reading the posts around these is useful perspective. It is easiest to start in the 'messages' and then to plug the numbers of the posts into the msg.# search. That will give the post and then the area of the archive with the post. Then you can scroll back and forth through the subject headings to get the context. Basically the prime effort for both the re-certs and the rajas was to bring real estate to the TMO. Teaching TM was incidental to the real estate. You can read that and it is pretty obvious. No money of conseqence was forthcoming to the people who went along with it, as it turned out. Another side effect was that it depopulated the domes of true- believers and has diluted the group-effect that has always been the reason for Fairfield. It evidently is now about monument building and real estate building on good people's goodwill. And then, we all now know what the TMO (MMY) does with real estate. There is an old pattern. It generally gets sold and the money goes AWOL in form. If MMY and the people who facilitate him have learned nothing it is how to do real estate on the back of people's goodwill and good nature. And the people who serve him? I understand that Indians can now walk in and learn TM or the TM/Sidhis for free now. Westerners? Stick it to them. Draw your conclusions about the middle here and MMY. A lot of cultural presumption at the top may be. A little cultural anger and cultural color on MMY's part? And a theocracy in between. From early on he saw that people would readily give him things. He is a quick study from early on and now quite experienced in the game of guru and cult. I hope these posts are useful to your research. It is an interesting story really. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Doug Hamilton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summaries.
Here's the first part of the article, and then underneath, selected quotes and summaries of the main points: [brackets, mine]. Free will - you only think you have it 04 May 2006 Zeeya Merali Magazine issue 2550 Underneath the uncertainty of quantum mechanics could lie a deeper reality in which, shockingly, all our actions are predetermined WE MUST believe in free will, we have no choice, the novelist Isaac Bashevis Singer once said. He might as well have said, We must believe in quantum mechanics, we have no choice, if two new studies are anything to go by. Early last month, a Nobel laureate physicist finished polishing up his theory that a deeper, deterministic reality underlies the apparent uncertainty of quantum mechanics. A week after he announced it, two eminent mathematicians showed that the theory has profound implications beyond physics: abandoning the uncertainty of quantum physics means we must give up the cherished notion that we have free will. The mathematicians believe the physicist is wrong. It's striking that we have one of the greatest scientists of our generation pitted against two of the world's greatest mathematicians, says Hans Halvorson, a philosopher of physics at Princeton University. Quantum mechanics is widely accepted by physicists, but is full of apparent paradoxes, which made Einstein deeply uncomfortable and have never been resolved. For instance, you cannot ask what the spin of a particle was before you made an observation of it -- QM says the spin was undetermined. And you cannot predict the outcome of an experiment; you can only estimate the probability of getting a certain result.. [next paragraph - QM works well but it's not complete; e.g. the failure to unite QM with general relativity. A radical change is needed, says Gerard 't Hooft.]. [next -'Hooft has been working on studying a hidden layer of reality at scales smaller than the Planck length of 10-^(-35) meters. The 'states he investigates behave predictably according to deterministic laws. 't Hooft has worked out a kink in his calculations which gave him a negative energy . See www.arxiv.org/quant-ph/0604008.] Essentially, t'Hooft is saying that while particles in QM seem to behave unpredictably, if we could track the underlying states, we can predict the behavior of particles. As enticing as 't Hooft's theory may be to physicists, it has an unexpected and potentially frightful consequence for the rest of us. Mathematicians John H. Conway and Simon Kochen, both at Princeton University, say that any deterministic theory underlying QM robs us of our free will. When you choose to eat the chocolate cake or the plain one, are you really free to decide? asks Conway. In other words, could someone who has been tracking all the particle interactions in the universe predict with perfect accuracy the cake you will pick? The answer, it seems, depends on whether QM's inherent uncertainty is the correct description of reality or 't Hooft is right in saying that beneath that uncertainty there is a deterministic order. ...are your choices a matter of free will, or are they predetermined? What the mathematicians proved is this: if you have the slightest freedom to choose the axes [in the representative experiment involving the spin of a particle] and order of measurement, then particles everywhere must also have the same degree of freedom. That means they can behave unpredictably. However, if particles have no freedom, as implied by 't Hooft's theory, the mathematicians proved that you have no real say in the choice of axes and order of measurement. In other words, deterministic particles put an end to free will (www.arxiv.org/quant-ph/0604079). Kochen and Conway stress that their theorem doesn't disprove 't Hooft's theory. It simply states that if his theory is true, our actions cannot be free. And they admit that there's no way for us to tell. Our lives could be like the second showing of a movie -- all actions play out as theough they are free, but that freedom is an illusion, says Kochen. Since the mathematicians believe that we have free will, it follows for them that 't Hooft's theory must be wrong. We have to believe in free will to do anything, says Conway. I believe I am free to drink this cup of coffee, or throw it across the room. I believe I am free in choosing to have this conversation. Halvorson [Hans Halvorson, philosopher of physics at Princeton] says the debate really boils down to a matter of personal taste. Kochen and Conway can't tolerate the idea that our future may already be settled,, he says, but people like 't Hooft and Einstein find the notion that the univere can't be completely described by physics just as disturbing.. For philosophers, both arguments can be troubling. Quantum randomness as the basis fo free will doesn't really give us control over our actions, says Tim Maudlin, a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--(below, can I refute the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field theory?). I don't have to refute what's self-evident baloney!. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: [...] I'm also planning on presenting some summaries of other recent articles, from New Scientist and Scientific American; that tend to support a basis for a New, New, Physics as opposed to the New Physics propounded by MMY and a few other people during the 70's. (specifically, such persons equated Being with some QM entity). This attempt at equating the Unmanifest with something within the realm of science, bombed; as we know; and such persons could have saved themselves the trouble of promoting that false identity if they had only paid more attention to the writings of the original quantum pioneers such as Schroedinager, Bohr, Heisenberg, and DeBroglie. The original pioneers already were aware of the possibility of equating some QM entity (a field?) to the Unmanifest, but the notion was rejected on the grounds that any such QM entity discovered so far is strictly a relative phenomenon. OTOH, some QM principles may point to the Unmanifest in some analogous way; but one must be careful about proclaiming an actual identity when none is there. There's always the danger that noble intentions can cross the boundary into Ignoble science, as Dr. Hagelin found out.(1994). Dr. Hagelin's Ig Noble award came for his Maharishi Effect research, and was awarded BEFORE the research was published, BTW, so it was based on media accounts and not the actual published study (whether this would make a difference to skeptics or not is immaterial --the research wasn't published at that point and shouldn't have been eligible in the first place). And its not a field that is considered the Unmanifest but The Unified Field. You've read Hagelin's paper Is Consciousness the Unified Field? and can refute it, I take it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
- Unlike the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field hypothesis which any reputable physicist with half a brain would find laughable; MMY has come up with a very brilliant (one among many, since I'm not - per se - a MMY basher, or Pope basher for that matter) idea/observation regarding the nature of time, which I've been reflecting upon since I first heard MMY talk about it, at Humboldt '70: that the future casts a shadow into the past (or were his words, present?). After decades, this concept has now found some support in a theory of Stephen Hawking's; in essence, that the future does cast a shadow into the past (if you will, our present, or into our past); through causes and effects. Here's the first few paragraphs: Exploring Stephen Hawking's Flexiverse 20 April 2006 Amanda Gefter Magazine issue 2548 HERE'S how to build a universe. Step one: start at the beginning of time. Step two: apply the laws of physics. Step three: sit back and watch the universe evolve. Step four: cross your fingers and hope that it comes out looking something like the one we live in. That's the basic prescription for cosmology, the one physicists use to decipher the history of the universe. But according to Stephen Hawking of the University of Cambridge and Thomas Hertog of the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), the steps are all backward. According to these physicists, there is no history of the universe. There is no immutable past, no 13.7 billion years of evolution for cosmologists to retrace. Instead, there are many possible histories, and the universe has lived them all. And if that's not strange enough, you and I get to play a role in determining the universe's history. ... [again my apologies, left that issue at home...; and I'll try to get my password to copy the entire article]. The complete article is 3055 words long. [but Hawking's hypothesis IMO opens up a can of worms, since he doesn't elucidate on the nature of WHICH causes can generate the most profound effects, in terms of backward causation]. Various sci-fi authors have touched upon the themes of time-travel and backward causation; for example, Philip Dick and Isaac Asimov; and it's a tempting notion to speculate on killing Hitler just at the right time...perhaps when he was on route to the Munich Beer Hall, or how about at conception, or birth? An Outer Limits featured the story of a young woman in possession of the time travel Sidhi, who attempted to travel back in time, procure a job as a Nanny in the Hitler family, and kill the infant Adolph. She grabbed the baby and the risk of her own life, quickly ran to a bridge crossing a river, and threw the baby Adolph into the water, drowning him. Mission accompalished, right? Hope...sorry; as fate turned out, the Hitler Mom and Dad had another child, who turned out to be another parallel world Adolph with a different name but fulfilling the same role. In a Star Trek featuring Capt. Picard (the Patrick Steward character), Q - a demigod-like character with enormous supernatural powers - asks the Capt. if he would like to go into his past and change anything. Picard says yes, especially the incident when as a young Lt, he was at a station visited by various races, among them the Nothigans; a notoriously vicious bunch of rowdies not even the Kling-Ons would mess with. As fate would have it, Picard got into a fight with a group of Nothigans; and while out-fisting a few of them, got done-in by one who stabbed him in the heart. He had to have a heart transplant as a result; a fate Picard wished never occurred. Q set up a retrial of that part of Picard's past, in which he never had the fight with the Nothigans. But as a further consequence, Picard had a much more timid personality and never rose above the rank of Lt. Q's lesson: think twice before messing with the past. an alternative past may turn out worse than the real past. --- End forwarded message --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summaries.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kochen and Conway stress that their theorem doesn't disprove 't Hooft's theory. It simply states that if his theory is true, our actions cannot be free. And they admit that there's no way for us to tell. Our lives could be like the second showing of a movie -- all actions play out as theough they are free, but that freedom is an illusion, says Kochen. Since the mathematicians believe that we have free will, it follows for them that 't Hooft's theory must be wrong. We have to believe in free will to do anything, says Conway. I believe I am free to drink this cup of coffee, or throw it across the room. I believe I am free in choosing to have this conversation. Halvorson [Hans Halvorson, philosopher of physics at Princeton] says the debate really boils down to a matter of personal taste. Kochen and Conway can't tolerate the idea that our future may already be settled,, he says, but people like 't Hooft and Einstein find the notion that the univere can't be completely described by physics just as disturbing.. For philosophers, both arguments can be troubling. Quantum randomness as the basis fo free will doesn't really give us control over our actions, says Tim Maudlin, a philosopher of physics at Rutgers. We're either deterministic machines, or we're random machines. That's not much of a choice. It's almost scary how closely this follows the discussion Curtis and I were having about free will based on the Schroedinger quote. This is exactly the problem Schroedeinger was addressing: our powerful sense of free will, versus the science that says it's just an illusion. The one point we didn't get into was the randomness factor. And I think it's *remarkable* how closely it tracks with the Upanishadic and Gita view of the realization of higher consciousness that MMY teaches, that one is not the author of one's actions, it's all the interplay of the gunas. The only thing missing from the scientists' and mathematicians' ideas is the concept of the Self, that one can be without the gunas. If they were introduced to it--intellectually and experientially--would the mathematicians find the scientists' theories quite so threatening? [last, Halvorson says]:, There are very important questions to be asked about free will, and maybe physics can answer them.. [end of article]. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summaries.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the first part of the article, and then underneath, selected quotes and summaries of the main points: [brackets, mine]. Meant to say, many thanks for posting this! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Congrats, Carolina!
I guess after a shotout in the 6th game, it was easy for the Finnish goalie of Edmonton, Jussi (youse-see) Euronen, to suck, at least slightly! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q's lesson: think twice before messing with the past. an alternative past may turn out worse than the real past. It's occurred to me to wonder (fancifully) whether the fact that we never seem to be able to nail down the details of what actually happened in major catastrophes--there always seem to be masses of contradictory evidence, leading to all kinds of conspiracy theories--is a function of people from various times in the future coming back to try to alter the events in different ways in an attempt to make their futures turn out better. In other words, no such major event happened *just one way*, but rather several different ways, all superimposed on each other, all with different details. It would make a good science fiction story, at any rate! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Tom T The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, dwarfing the ego's flailing as Chomolungma dwarfs a pebble. Godspeed! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Unlike the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field hypothesis which any reputable physicist with half a brain would find laughable; Like Sparaig, I'd be interested to know *why* you find it laughable (not being a reputable physicist myself). MMY has come up with a very brilliant (one among many, since I'm not - per se - a MMY basher, or Pope basher for that matter) idea/observation regarding the nature of time, which I've been reflecting upon since I first heard MMY talk about it, at Humboldt '70: that the future casts a shadow into the past (or were his words, present?). Can you say more about what he meant? As I was reading what you posted of the New Scientist article, I was thinking that time is what creates the free will/determinism dilemma in the first place, and that one of the experiences of enlightenment is said to be the perception that Now is all there is, that in Reality, everything is all happening at once. Ultimate Reality is timeless, not in the sense of lasting forever but literally not existing in time. (That would solve--or dissolve--an awful lot of paradoxes, would it not--including those of QM?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summar
It is the only question worth thinking about. High five for posting this! What the mathematicians proved is this: if you have the slightest freedom to choose the axes [in the representative experiment involving the spin of a particle] and order of measurement, then particles everywhere must also have the same degree of freedom. That means they can behave unpredictably. Count me in here. I choose, therefore I am. It ain't easy but it is worth it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the first part of the article, and then underneath, selected quotes and summaries of the main points: [brackets, mine]. Free will - you only think you have it 04 May 2006 Zeeya Merali Magazine issue 2550 Underneath the uncertainty of quantum mechanics could lie a deeper reality in which, shockingly, all our actions are predetermined WE MUST believe in free will, we have no choice, the novelist Isaac Bashevis Singer once said. He might as well have said, We must believe in quantum mechanics, we have no choice, if two new studies are anything to go by. Early last month, a Nobel laureate physicist finished polishing up his theory that a deeper, deterministic reality underlies the apparent uncertainty of quantum mechanics. A week after he announced it, two eminent mathematicians showed that the theory has profound implications beyond physics: abandoning the uncertainty of quantum physics means we must give up the cherished notion that we have free will. The mathematicians believe the physicist is wrong. It's striking that we have one of the greatest scientists of our generation pitted against two of the world's greatest mathematicians, says Hans Halvorson, a philosopher of physics at Princeton University. Quantum mechanics is widely accepted by physicists, but is full of apparent paradoxes, which made Einstein deeply uncomfortable and have never been resolved. For instance, you cannot ask what the spin of a particle was before you made an observation of it -- QM says the spin was undetermined. And you cannot predict the outcome of an experiment; you can only estimate the probability of getting a certain result.. [next paragraph - QM works well but it's not complete; e.g. the failure to unite QM with general relativity. A radical change is needed, says Gerard 't Hooft.]. [next -'Hooft has been working on studying a hidden layer of reality at scales smaller than the Planck length of 10-^(-35) meters. The 'states he investigates behave predictably according to deterministic laws. 't Hooft has worked out a kink in his calculations which gave him a negative energy . See www.arxiv.org/quant-ph/0604008.] Essentially, t'Hooft is saying that while particles in QM seem to behave unpredictably, if we could track the underlying states, we can predict the behavior of particles. As enticing as 't Hooft's theory may be to physicists, it has an unexpected and potentially frightful consequence for the rest of us. Mathematicians John H. Conway and Simon Kochen, both at Princeton University, say that any deterministic theory underlying QM robs us of our free will. When you choose to eat the chocolate cake or the plain one, are you really free to decide? asks Conway. In other words, could someone who has been tracking all the particle interactions in the universe predict with perfect accuracy the cake you will pick? The answer, it seems, depends on whether QM's inherent uncertainty is the correct description of reality or 't Hooft is right in saying that beneath that uncertainty there is a deterministic order. ...are your choices a matter of free will, or are they predetermined? What the mathematicians proved is this: if you have the slightest freedom to choose the axes [in the representative experiment involving the spin of a particle] and order of measurement, then particles everywhere must also have the same degree of freedom. That means they can behave unpredictably. However, if particles have no freedom, as implied by 't Hooft's theory, the mathematicians proved that you have no real say in the choice of axes and order of measurement. In other words, deterministic particles put an end to free will (www.arxiv.org/quant-ph/0604079). Kochen and Conway stress that their theorem doesn't disprove 't Hooft's theory. It simply states that if his theory is true, our actions cannot be free. And they admit that there's no way for us to tell. Our lives could be like the second showing of a movie -- all actions play out as theough they are free, but that freedom is an illusion, says Kochen. Since the mathematicians believe that we have free will, it follows for them that 't Hooft's theory must be wrong. We have to believe in free will to do anything, says Conway. I believe I am free to drink this cup of coffee,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --(below, can I refute the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field theory?). I don't have to refute what's self-evident baloney!. [...] And its not a field that is considered the Unmanifest but The Unified Field. You've read Hagelin's paper Is Consciousness the Unified Field? and can refute it, I take it? You've read it so you can refute it due to it's self-evident balaneyness... Can you elaborate on this aspect of the paper? And Chopra got his very poorly worded stuff by a cursory reading of Hagelin, who apparently didn't agree with Chopra on a regular basis about Chopra's take on QM as Chopra acknowledged in a presentation where Hagelin was sitting next to Chopra as he spoke. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!
The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, dwarfing the ego's flailing as Chomolungma dwarfs a pebble. Godspeed! You have outdone yourself! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Tom T The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, dwarfing the ego's flailing as Chomolungma dwarfs a pebble. Godspeed! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: - Unlike the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field hypothesis which any reputable physicist with half a brain would find laughable; Like Sparaig, I'd be interested to know *why* you find it laughable (not being a reputable physicist myself). MMY has come up with a very brilliant (one among many, since I'm not - per se - a MMY basher, or Pope basher for that matter) idea/observation regarding the nature of time, which I've been reflecting upon since I first heard MMY talk about it, at Humboldt '70: that the future casts a shadow into the past (or were his words, present?). Can you say more about what he meant? As I was reading what you posted of the New Scientist article, I was thinking that time is what creates the free will/determinism dilemma in the first place, and that one of the experiences of enlightenment is said to be the perception that Now is all there is, that in Reality, everything is all happening at once. In order to function rationally in the world, we recognize the past, and plan for the future, but it is done in the context of a Present that is clearly real and preeminent. To base even our functional reality on the past or the future is just not very effective, or productive. Those are always secondary, almost automatic considerations. Ultimate Reality is timeless, not in the sense of lasting forever but literally not existing in time. Both are true. Ultimate Reality lasts as long as we can imagine that it does, and at the same time (no pun intended...)effortlessly transcends time; doesn't exist in time. (That would solve--or dissolve--an awful lot of paradoxes, would it not--including those of QM?) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
Some of the ongoing discussions in this forum elicit a possible interface with the Turing test (below, entry copied from Wikipedia). Briefly, the person being tested sits behind a screen in which answers to questions are given, posed to (either) a real person OR a very intelligent computer. Judging solely by the content and structure of the replies (and any other linguistic criteria - but not the sound of a voice, which has to be neutral); the querant has to decide if the entity on the other side of the screen is a person or a computer. Now feature an analogous situation in which person A claims to be Enlightened, and person or persons (B, C...) have to decide if A is really E'd or not. As hinted at by various contributors to this forum, there are certain stock answers which can be repeated in boiler-plate fashion; so is the decision based on the content of the replies? If B is Enlightened also, are there subtle types of perception which can ascertain the truth more readily? The lesson here is that the Internet is a type of blank screen. People can get lured into almost anything, on the basis of a vivid imagination filling in the blanks. Just last week, a young teenage female got suckered into actually traveling to the Middle East to meet some guy she met in a chat room!.. It's quite possible, some of the contributors to this forum are actuallY' machines (computers) masquerading as humans. As a Turing test, there's no final way to know; since the even after decades since Turing's time (he was a British genius who contributed to breaking the German Code during WWII); nobody has yet (in theory) figured out a truly objective way to distinguish the replies of an intelligent machine from a human. Ultimately, we all could be Matrix entities living in a Matrix world, not knowing it. Now back to the article on Free Will. A key statement by the author of Free Will -- you only think you have it is And they [mathematicians Kochen and conway] admit there's no way for us to tell. Our lives could be like the second showing of a movie -- all actions play out as thoough they are free, but that freedom is an illusion, says Kochen. So, basically, the notion of a true free will based on an indeterministic level of QM reality (and thus, the whole ball of wax operates in the same mode);; incorporates the key point that there's no way for us to tell; ...judging by superficial appearances, if our will is free or not. This could be a provable mathematical corollary to Kochen's and Conway's theorem.. In any event, the fact of our not- knowing is in some ways like our incapacity to not know what's on the other side of that Turing machine. The fact that we can't tell if our will is free or not; leaves the door open for an ironic paradox: we can act AS IF our will is free, even if it isn't, and not be the worse for wear. We can't even tell if our actions are really free will or not. This begs the question: Say 't Hooft's theory is true, and we don't have free will; but we are not given that information. Note our actions under that circumstance; and then ask, would our actions differ if 't Hooft's theory is false? Pershaps not, due to the possible corollary of Conways: that there's no way for us to tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Free Will, descriptions of Brahman, and the Turing test. (no way to tell!!)
--Here's the Wiki paste-in: Turing test From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Turing test is a proposal for a test of a machine's capability to perform human-like conversation. Described by Alan Turing in the 1950 paper Computing machinery and intelligence, it proceeds as follows: a human judge engages in a natural language conversation with two other parties, one a human and the other a machine; if the judge cannot reliably tell which is which, then the machine is said to pass the test. It is assumed that both the human and the machine try to appear human. In order to keep the test setting simple and universal (to explicitly test the linguistic capability of the machine instead of its ability to render words into audio), the conversation is usually limited to a text-only channel such as a teletype machine as Turing suggested or, more recently IRC or instant messaging. Contents [hide] 1 History 2 Objections and replies 3 Discussion of relevance 4 Predictions and tests 5 Terminology 6 Variations of the Turing test 7 References 8 See also 9 External links [edit] History The test was inspired by a party game known as the Imitation Game, in which a man and a woman go into separate rooms, and guests try to tell them apart by writing a series of questions and reading the typewritten answers sent back. In this game, both the man and the woman aim to convince the guests that they are the woman. Turing proposed a test employing the imitation game as follows: We now ask the question, 'What will happen when a machine takes the part of A in this game?' Will the interrogator decide wrongly as often when the game is played like this as he does when the game is played between a man and a woman? These questions replace our original, 'Can machines think?' (Turing 1950) Later in the paper he suggested an equivalent alternate formulation involving a judge conversing only with a computer and a man. Turing originally proposed the test in order to replace the emotionally charged and (for him) meaningless question Can machines think? with a more well-defined one. The advantage of the new question, he said, was that it drew a fairly sharp line between the physical and intellectual capacities of a man. (Turing 1950) [edit] Objections and replies Turing himself suggested several objections which could be made to the test. Below are some of the objections and replies from the article in which Turing first proposed the test. Theological Objection: This states that thinking is a function of man's immortal soul and therefore a machine could not think. Turing replies by saying that he sees no reason why it would not be possible for God to grant a computer a soul if He so wished. Mathematical Objections: This objection uses mathematical theorems, such as Gödel's incompleteness theorem, to show that there are limits to what questions a computer system based on logic can answer. Turing suggests that humans are too often wrong themselves and pleased at the fallibility of a machine. Mechanical Objections: A sufficiently fast machine with sufficiently large memory could be programmed with a large enough number of human questions and human responses to deliver a human answer to almost every question, and a vague random answer to the few questions not in its memory. This would simulate human response in a purely mechanical way. Psychologists have observed that most humans have a limited number of verbal responses. Data Processing Objection: Machines process data bit by bit. Humans process data holistically. In this view, even if a machine appears human in every way, to treat it as human is to indulge in anthropomorphic thinking. Argument From Consciousness: This argument, suggested by Professor Jefferson Lister states, not until a machine can write a sonnet or compose a concerto because of thoughts and emotions felt, and not by the chance fall of symbols, could we agree that machine equals brain. Turing replies by saying that we have no way of knowing that any individual other than ourselves experiences emotions, and that therefore we should accept the test. Lady Lovelace Objection: One of the most famous objections, it states that computers are incapable of originality. This is largely because, according to Ada Lovelace, machines are incapable of independent learning. Turing contradicts this by arguing that Lady Lovelace's assumption was affected by the context from which she wrote, and if exposed to more contemporary scientific knowledge, it would become evident that the brain's storage is quite similar to that of a computer. Turing further replies that computers could still surprise humans, in particular where the consequences of different facts are not immediately recognizable. Informality of Behaviour: This argument states that any system governed by laws will be predictable and therefore not truly intelligent. Turing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Backward causation through time.: MMY and Hawking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: Q's lesson: think twice before messing with the past. an alternative past may turn out worse than the real past. It's occurred to me to wonder (fancifully) whether the fact that we never seem to be able to nail down the details of what actually happened in major catastrophes--there always seem to be masses of contradictory evidence, leading to all kinds of conspiracy theories--is a function of people from various times in the future coming back to try to alter the events in different ways in an attempt to make their futures turn out better. In other words, no such major event happened *just one way*, but rather several different ways, all superimposed on each other, all with different details. It would make a good science fiction story, at any rate! Check out _Thrice Upon a Time_ by James P Hogan for one exploration of this. Rather than coming back from the future, the researchers discover that they have an extremely limited way of communicating with themselves in the very recent past (24 hour time limit). http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/thrice/baen00/titlepage.shtml' There's also the TV show, 7 Days, about Project Backstep, which allows a single chrononaught to travel back in time 7 days and attempt to avert disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days There's also Benedict from Roger Zelazny's Amber series, who, as Knight-Marshal of Amber, would Walk through Shadow and view a battle from various viewpoints with slightly different conditions in order to test his theories of War. All of these assume that there is only ONE observed reality, regardless of how many potential realities there are, but that's the only interpretation of QM that I've heard of. Even the Many Worlds theory doesn't allow for multiple observations once an event is actually observed. A few more fantasy-oriented stories have examined something along this line, though. In Jordan's Wheel of Time series, there is a use of the One Power called balefire which actually removes an object from all existence. The more power used, the further back its thread is burned out of the Pattern. It's the ultimate Deus Ex Machina in the series since any event can be undone. The drawback is that while *people* might have confused memories of the original object (or creature), the physical effects of that object are undone in time, which makes for rather bizarre contradictions. The more power used, the more dangerous the contradictions. Rather than merely killing your grandfather, what if you destroy the birthplace of your grandfather, 200 years into the past? What happens to Reality in that kind of situation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Olmstead on quantum metaphysics
Critique of the What the Bleep movie, featuring Hagelin and other proponents of quantum metaphysics. (his pic featured...): http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Michael Shermer debates Deepak Chopra
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Olmstead on quantum metaphysics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Critique of the What the Bleep movie, featuring Hagelin and other proponents of quantum metaphysics. (his pic featured...): http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/04-10-01.html Another proof of the power of thought presented in the film is the so-called Maharishi Effect. In 1993, 4,000 meditators gathered in Washington, D.C. under the direction of physicist John Hagelin. Hagelin predicted in advance that the meditations would drive down the violent crime rate in the city by 25 percent that summer. Despite the fact that the murder rate actually rose, Hagelin announced a year later that his analysis proved that the violent crime rate fell just as he had predicted. In his recent book he states that the meditators function essentially as a `washing machine' for the entire society. As with Emoto's work, there has been no replication by other scientists, no control groups, and no publications in reputable peer reviewed scientific journals to confirm the Maharishi Effect. 1) the study was published in a reputable per reviewed journal. So was at least one other, though the definition of study might allow for more confirmations to be included in this category of confirmation. 2) The murder rate doubled the average for one week of the study (22 murders) and was down to half the average (4 murders) the next week. For the entire period, the murder- rate was essentially unchanged. Hagelin has published responses to several challenges to this study. I take you it you haven't bothered reading them because the study is baloney on its face? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
