[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
There's so much here to trip on that I just can't resist doing so, just as entertainment: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. Thereby causing most of them to get scared and worried about what may happen shortly. :-) He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. So many fun ways to react to this: * First, if they don't watch the news, they won't KNOW what is happening in the world, only what they are told by Maharishi and his minions. * Second, it's a fascinating statement coming from the person who claims that the ME works and will be verified by real events in the real world. He's essentially saying, Ignore the real world completely. If anything bad happens during the course you should ignore it as the anomaly it is. * Third, it's pretty much saying, If the facts don't agree with our predictions or with how we'd like things to be, the best approach is to put your fingers in your ears and chant 'I can't HEAR you...I can't HEAR you...' * Fourth, it's yet another attempt to get IA course partici- pants to be fearful of the outside world and to hunker down in their safe little haven and butt-bounce while chanting We can't HEAR you. In some ways this is far more honest than past spiels, in that there is no pretense that the purpose of the course or technique is to help people interact more effectively with the real world. The entire appeal is to recluses, and this spiel is to inspire them -- via fear -- to *stay* recluses. * Fifth, this instruction can be creatively interpreted anytime in the future as the recommended way to deal with any negative stories that come out about Maharishi or the TM organization. Want to be considered a good student? Just ignore the News and pay attention only to what we say. So much to trip on, but really...why bother? Stuff like this is only meant for those who have already drunk the Kool-Aid and are being encouraged to keep drinking it. For those who live out in the real world and have real jobs and families and responsibilities it's just more nonsense being told -- and sold -- to True Believers. I don't know about you guys, but for me hearing this kind of stuff has really become an exercise in waiting for the other shoe to drop. I hear the Scare Technique and the only real question is how long it will be before it is followed up by a desperate appeal for money.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Reserve
On Dec 3, 2006, at 10:43 PM, shukra69 wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? First you read the literature, then you have a glass of wine, then you sit down and watch a few reruns of All in the Family. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
There's all that or then there's all that in the sense of -just don't worry, be happy, and do your program, and be content that you've done what you can, go ahead and forget about samsara and just be enlightened in your comfy cocoon. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news There's so much here to trip on that I just can't resist doing so, just as entertainment: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. Thereby causing most of them to get scared and worried about what may happen shortly. :-) He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. So many fun ways to react to this: * First, if they don't watch the news, they won't KNOW what is happening in the world, only what they are told by Maharishi and his minions. * Second, it's a fascinating statement coming from the person who claims that the ME works and will be verified by real events in the real world. He's essentially saying, Ignore the real world completely. If anything bad happens during the course you should ignore it as the anomaly it is. * Third, it's pretty much saying, If the facts don't agree with our predictions or with how we'd like things to be, the best approach is to put your fingers in your ears and chant 'I can't HEAR you...I can't HEAR you...' * Fourth, it's yet another attempt to get IA course partici- pants to be fearful of the outside world and to hunker down in their safe little haven and butt-bounce while chanting We can't HEAR you. In some ways this is far more honest than past spiels, in that there is no pretense that the purpose of the course or technique is to help people interact more effectively with the real world. The entire appeal is to recluses, and this spiel is to inspire them -- via fear -- to *stay* recluses. * Fifth, this instruction can be creatively interpreted anytime in the future as the recommended way to deal with any negative stories that come out about Maharishi or the TM organization. Want to be considered a good student? Just ignore the News and pay attention only to what we say. So much to trip on, but really...why bother? Stuff like this is only meant for those who have already drunk the Kool-Aid and are being encouraged to keep drinking it. For those who live out in the real world and have real jobs and families and responsibilities it's just more nonsense being told -- and sold -- to True Believers. I don't know about you guys, but for me hearing this kind of stuff has really become an exercise in waiting for the other shoe to drop. I hear the Scare Technique and the only real question is how long it will be before it is followed up by a desperate appeal for money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. Not to be concerned about what this or that president may do or say. He also said something like - this may be the last time we can be together. If that means he is about to leave the body, or it may be the end of the course - time will tell. Maharishi has told Vedic City to build housing for 1,000 pundits to live there. The numbers in the dome are now getting close to the superradiance number needed for the US. All the best, Roy Why would MMY think that all these dome goers might be afraid? What is the point of TMing for 30+ years if you are going to be afraid of which way the wind is blowing?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's all that or then there's all that in the sense of - just don't worry, be happy, and do your program, and be content that you've done what you can, go ahead and forget about samsara and just be enlightened in your comfy cocoon. There is also the strong possibility that, as several have suggested, the TM movement is now run according to predictions by Jyotishi. When they see a generally good period coming up, stage a buttbouncing course so that the TMO can claim credit for the things the Jyotishi saw coming. When they see a rough patch ahead, warn the TBs not to pay any attention to the News. I'm waiting for the prediction that says, Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news There's so much here to trip on that I just can't resist doing so, just as entertainment: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. Thereby causing most of them to get scared and worried about what may happen shortly. :-) He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. So many fun ways to react to this: * First, if they don't watch the news, they won't KNOW what is happening in the world, only what they are told by Maharishi and his minions. * Second, it's a fascinating statement coming from the person who claims that the ME works and will be verified by real events in the real world. He's essentially saying, Ignore the real world completely. If anything bad happens during the course you should ignore it as the anomaly it is. * Third, it's pretty much saying, If the facts don't agree with our predictions or with how we'd like things to be, the best approach is to put your fingers in your ears and chant 'I can't HEAR you...I can't HEAR you...' * Fourth, it's yet another attempt to get IA course partici- pants to be fearful of the outside world and to hunker down in their safe little haven and butt-bounce while chanting We can't HEAR you. In some ways this is far more honest than past spiels, in that there is no pretense that the purpose of the course or technique is to help people interact more effectively with the real world. The entire appeal is to recluses, and this spiel is to inspire them -- via fear -- to *stay* recluses. * Fifth, this instruction can be creatively interpreted anytime in the future as the recommended way to deal with any negative stories that come out about Maharishi or the TM organization. Want to be considered a good student? Just ignore the News and pay attention only to what we say. So much to trip on, but really...why bother? Stuff like this is only meant for those who have already drunk the Kool-Aid and are being encouraged to keep drinking it. For those who live out in the real world and have real jobs and families and responsibilities it's just more nonsense being told -- and sold -- to True Believers. I don't know about you guys, but for me hearing this kind of stuff has really become an exercise in waiting for the other shoe to drop. I hear the Scare Technique and the only real question is how long it will be before it is followed up by a desperate appeal for money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Don't look at the news
Sounds like the yit is going to be hitting the fan soon --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. Not to be concerned about what this or that president may do or say. He also said something like - this may be the last time we can be together. If that means he is about to leave the body, or it may be the end of the course - time will tell. Maharishi has told Vedic City to build housing for 1,000 pundits to live there. The numbers in the dome are now getting close to the superradiance number needed for the US. All the best, Roy Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the yit is going to be hitting the fan soon --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. Not to be concerned about what this or that president may do or say. He also said something like - this may be the last time we can be together. If that means he is about to leave the body, or it may be the end of the course - time will tell. Maharishi has told Vedic City to build housing for 1,000 pundits to live there. The numbers in the dome are now getting close to the superradiance number needed for the US. All the best, Roy I've seen other reports of this announcement or talk from Maharishi. Apparently all he was saying was to just focus on what they are doing and not be distracted by world events. He didn't say it was the last time we (the course participants) would be together- he just said being on the course was a very special opportunity. Some of those who heard this, or who heard it secondhand, have injected some additional drama into Maharishi's words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've seen other reports of this announcement or talk from Maharishi. Apparently all he was saying was to just focus on what they are doing and not be distracted by world events. He didn't say it was the last time we (the course participants) would be together- he just said being on the course was a very special opportunity. Some of those who heard this, or who heard it secondhand, have injected some additional drama into Maharishi's words. Oh, damn! Jim, you should really have kept this under your hat. It's *so* much more entertaining to fantasize at length about all the imaginary implications of MMY's recommendations when you don't have to take the reality into account.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: There's all that or then there's all that in the sense of - just don't worry, be happy, and do your program, and be content that you've done what you can, go ahead and forget about samsara and just be enlightened in your comfy cocoon. There is also the strong possibility that, as several have suggested, the TM movement is now run according to predictions by Jyotishi. When they see a generally good period coming up, stage a buttbouncing course so that the TMO can claim credit for the things the Jyotishi saw coming. When they see a rough patch ahead, warn the TBs not to pay any attention to the News. It's funny how, when you're intent on bashing the TMO and MMY in every conceivable way, you have to *compartmentalize* your bashing. If you wanted it to actually be consistent across the board, it would seriously limit your opportunities for bashing. To maximize the number of things you can bash, you have to put each bash in its own little box so they don't conflict with one another. In this case, bashing MMY for falsely crediting a big course with improvements in the world situation, if the course was called based on Jyotishis' predictions that the world situation would improve even without the course, implies that their predictions were *correct*, otherwise there'd be nothing for MMY to claim credit for. So it would make no sense to also bash MMY for having faith in Jyotish in the first place. It's necessary to keep the two bashes entirely isolated from each other.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've seen other reports of this announcement or talk from Maharishi. Apparently all he was saying was to just focus on what they are doing and not be distracted by world events. He didn't say it was the last time we (the course participants) would be together- he just said being on the course was a very special opportunity. Some of those who heard this, or who heard it secondhand, have injected some additional drama into Maharishi's words. Oh, damn! Jim, you should really have kept this under your hat. It's *so* much more entertaining to fantasize at length about all the imaginary implications of MMY's recommendations when you don't have to take the reality into account. I agree, Judy, the world really is coming to an end!!! A! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
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[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi School Graduate- Appointed to Chief of Gambia...'
National Guards get new chief Written by Ebrima Jaw Manneh Monday, 04 December 2006 President Yahya Jammeh, who doubles as the Commander-in-Chief of the Gambia Armed Forces (GAF), has appointed Lieutenant Colonel Biran Saine as Chief of the Gambia National Guards. Profile Lt Col Saine, a father of three, was born on 16th August 1963 at Jimbala in the Lower Saloum District, Central River Division. He grew up inFarafenni, Upper Baddibu District, North Bank Division where he started his schooling. After completing his primary education, he was admitted to Farafenni Junior Secondary School, before he proceeded to the Gambia Muslim High School in Banjul. He later transferred to Armitage High School at Janjanbureh, where he completed his secondary school education. Lt Col Saine enlisted into the Gambia National Army on 15th January 1986. In 1987, he joined Charlie Company, 1st Infantry Battalion on their deployment to the then Senegambia Confederal Battalion, where he served until 1989. He was withdrawn from the Confederal Battalion and given a probationary rank of Second Lieutenant in March 1989. Thereafter, he was sent to the US to attend the United States Army Infantry Officers Basic Course at Fort Benning, Georgia. His status was confirmed to substantive regular commission on his return from the United States in September 1989. Since then, Lt Col Saine had virtually held all appointments in an infantry battalion. He served in ECOMOG-Liberia from mid 1991 to early 1992, as platoon commander. Upon his return from Liberia, he was posted to 2nd Infantry Battalion, Kudang Barracks, as Company Commander. In late 1992, Lt Col Saine was appointed Staff Officer Grade 3 Intelligence and Security at Headquarters, Gambia National Army. This was at a time when the Nigerian Army Training Assistance Group (NATAG) to The Gambia established the present Headquarters of the Gambia National Army. After successfully completing the Intelligence and Security Overseas Officers Course in the UK in 1993, he was appointed Staff Office,r Grade 2 Intelligence and Security. Following the withdrawal of NATAG from The Gambia in 1994, Lt Col Saine served in many capacities as a staff officer at Headquarters, Gambia National Army, until his redeployment to 2nd Infantry Battalion, Farafenni Barracks, where he served as Commanding Officer, in late 1995. Lt Col Saine did his Junior Staff Course at the Command and Staff College, Nigeria in 1996. In 1997, he took a five-year study leave from the Gambia Armed Forces and went to the US to pursue a Double Major in Computer Science and Business Management. He graduated from Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Lowa, on 30th June 2002, with a BSc in Computer Science and a BA in Business Management. Upon his return from the US in July 2002, he was appointed Director Intelligence and Security as well as Information Technology (IT) Officer of the Gambia Armed Forces. Lt Col Saine, who is married, attended six military courses in the course of his career, the most recent of which are: Administration and Logistic in United Nations Peace Operations and International Peace Support Operations, at the Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping Training Center, in Ghana, in 2004. He also attended the senior staff sourse at the Armed Forces Command and Staff College in Nigeria from August 2004 to July 2005. Lt Col Saine has just returned from the United Nations Operations in Cote dIvoire (UNOCI) as a Military Observer. - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Purusha programm Sponsorship
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip I haven't read a lot of her stuff, but she is quoted here and on other lists every now and then. My question is, is this early stages of a brain tumor experienced-thru-the-lens-of-an-SCI-and-advanced- lecture-person? In other words, is this just another hey look at me and enlightened and oh well it just happens to specifically fit into everything I was taught? Oh and by the way, I died suddenly of a brain tumor that probably festered long before I died (real dangerous pitfalls for anyone who ignores allopathic medical advice in TB favor of Ayurveda or some other 'holistic panacea'). I don't mean this to sound controversial, I'm just not familiar enough (nor interested enough) with Ms. Segall and her life. It's also interesting to me that for many practicing Jews, taking the mantra of an Indian Pagan Goddess would be a major violation of a very primary Jewish mitzah, take no other Gods before me. If you were told as a child growing up this and this festered in the back of your subconscious mind, would that not be a like a kind of mind- virus? It's a very basic conflict in your subconscious programming. It's just one of the things I wonder could happen from not being told the truth about what kind of meditation they are being instructed in. It's also very interesting that TMer descriptions of CC all fall way short of the turiyatita traditional descriptions. On the TMers dying theme, I also found of interest a recent post on the Gilpin book from the ever-weird Guruphilia blog: anonymous said... An old friend of mine (an ex-TM teacher) lives in Fairfield and does not attend the TM functions (at their request, because he openly hosted, Oh No!, other gurus at his home when they passed through Fairfield. He enjoys the drama when they go through town. He still thinks TM is good, however. He recently told me that among those living there, many of the old-time TM teachers have turned to drugs and alcohol. He said that many are addicted to pain killers or are drunkards. He told me this very matter of factly, like it was normal in any community in the US to have a large number of strung out people, but I found it very strange, given MMY's teachings. I know that when I visited him in Fairfield a few years ago and went to see some Guru-passing-through type who was a healer of some kind, there was a huge group of TMers who were active in the domes, visiting the same guy, saying shhh don't say you saw me here. Many many many of them had cancer and other horrible diseases like debilitating arthritis. Most of them were between 25-50 years old. The healer, who happened to be from India, said he had never seen so much disease in such a small, condensed population in his life. What gives with the TM research? Is it all faked or what? I practiced TM for awhile and don't think it harmed me. But what happened to all those people in Fairfield Iowa? And what in the world is this about Princes and Rajas??? 12/03/2006 7:27 AM I am *so* relieved you were able to find a box big enough for all of this to fit so neatly into Vaj! :-) Hehe. This Vaj fellow has only one agenda; try spreading as many unsubstiated rumours about TM-ers and TMO as posssible. I find him being more and more desperate as the success of the Invincebil America course is made known.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi bites off more that he could Chew
You mean off_world, promises like flying through the air like a B-2.?? Telling all your minions to take Ayurvedic treatment, all the while taking allopathic treatment yourself.?? Like this Heaven on earth Or this Maharishi effect or like this world capital Or like this Sidhi or like this Stringer Friday, March 24, 2006Madharisi Still Trying To Take Over The World File under: Wackadoo Gurus and The Siddhi of PR The old coot is still at it. The latest in his 50-year scheme to ignite the next Golden Age (in direct competition with the Kracki, the Babaster and many, many insane people all over the world) is the Global Good News. It's just about the cheesiest looking website seen since the use of the blink/blink tag. It's the same old TM global-everything propaganda. We thought it was a pipe dream back in 1989 at college, when Madharishi minions offered a ride home to pimp nonsense about the coming Age of Enlightenment... courtesy of and exclusively by the Madharishi himself, the certain and only true usher for the Golden Age. We thanked them for the ride and told them they were full of it. And yet the wacky old bat is still at it. You've got to give him credit for sticking with it, or at least give his grandiosity credit. And we suppose you can't fault them for wanting to transform the world into his idea of what Vedic social perfection would look like. Too bad it's just as likely as the neocons' vision of a world united in Christ. That's what makes it so crazy. When has anything so well articulated come about anywhere near the way it was articulated? Never. The world doesn't work that way, and the TM folks' inability to see this belies a lack of discrimination about just how crazy... or at best, inappropriately hopeful their leader actually is. We continue to hope ourselves that the GCfWP comes to their senses once their beloved guru passes on. It's obviously a strong organization. If it can get past the grandiosity of its founder it may actually turn out to be something much better for the world than the likes the Kracki's deeksha scam and his grandiose ideas of Golden Age bringing. We see no way out of the eyeball lightning here, folks. You better not be close to any metal if and when it finally does go down. posted by jody @ 5:46 PM off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:44:00 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi bites off more that he could Chew SSRS never made promises that he could not keep. Lol, like when he said he had an advanced degree in physics, but never even graduated highschool. He'll have a hard time keeping that promise of having any education whatsoever. OffWorld - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Hehe. This Vaj fellow has only one agenda; try spreading as many unsubstiated rumours about TM-ers and TMO as posssible. I find him being more and more desperate as the success of the Invincebil America course is made known. his loss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. I think shukra69 is correct. If you twist your mind to, for example, understand the ninth mandala intellectually you probably get no benefit. But innocently listening to the words/sounds is a great help for growth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Purusha programm Sponsorship
On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Sounds like the yit is going to be hitting the fan soon --- Rick Archer rick@ wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. Not to be concerned about what this or that president may do or say. He also said something like - this may be the last time we can be together. If that means he is about to leave the body, or it may be the end of the course - time will tell. Maharishi has told Vedic City to build housing for 1,000 pundits to live there. The numbers in the dome are now getting close to the superradiance number needed for the US. All the best, Roy I've seen other reports of this announcement or talk from Maharishi. Apparently all he was saying was to just focus on what they are doing and not be distracted by world events. He didn't say it was the last time we (the course participants) would be together- he just said being on the course was a very special opportunity. Some of those who heard this, or who heard it secondhand, have injected some additional drama into Maharishi's words. As usual. I have been in meetings with 10 people with Maharishi. On the way out there would be 10 different interpretations of what he said. Another variation of knowledge hitting the hard rocks of ignorance I presume.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't look at the news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip I've seen other reports of this announcement or talk from Maharishi. Apparently all he was saying was to just focus on what they are doing and not be distracted by world events. He didn't say it was the last time we (the course participants) would be together- he just said being on the course was a very special opportunity. Some of those who heard this, or who heard it secondhand, have injected some additional drama into Maharishi's words. Oh, damn! Jim, you should really have kept this under your hat. It's *so* much more entertaining to fantasize at length about all the imaginary implications of MMY's recommendations when you don't have to take the reality into account. You're right!-- I think I can still squeeze into that Don Quixote outfit I used to wear...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Work is so...so...unevolved. Only peons work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. guffaw Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. Pathological.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:11 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Work is so...so...unevolved. Only peons work. I know, I know. But as one of the peons, I just thought I'd suggest it in case, well, in case hitting up total strangers for $$ doesn't quite work out. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Purusha programm Sponsorship
Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't understand what I'm saying. Certainly the mind is contained in consciousness but what happens if the local tax collector calls you and says Peter, you own $5,000 in back taxes and have to pay up by the end of the month or we'll take your house. Do you remain meless or does the Peter and the tax bill suddenly become the center of focus? My bet it is the latter. :) I understand you perfectly well and I still argue that you are confounding consciousness with mind. Me is an artifact of consciousness projected into and identified with mind. This creates a me or an I that is experienced as self. But this me or I doesn't exist, it appears to exist in waking state, but in CC this disappears and it becomes very clear that there never was an individual called Frank, Tom or Bob. In CC there is a perfect duality of empty-Self and everything else including all functions of mind. So you get the tax bill and freakout in CC as you would in waking state. However there is no you to freakout or not freakout in CC. Who you are in CC has nothing to do with anything in the relative. When you have a waking state me you freakout over the bill. When you don't have a me freakout over the bill still occurs, but it has nothing to do with who you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Don't look at the news
Just what we need, more TM ostriches. :) Rick Archer wrote: A letter someone sent me: Hi Jo Ann, Maharishi today sent word for people on the course here to not get scared or worried about what may happen shortly. He apparently said it might be just as well to not listen to or watch the news for some time. Not to be concerned about what this or that president may do or say. He also said something like - this may be the last time we can be together. If that means he is about to leave the body, or it may be the end of the course - time will tell. Maharishi has told Vedic City to build housing for 1,000 pundits to live there. The numbers in the dome are now getting close to the superradiance number needed for the US. All the best, Roy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:11 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact aravet@ Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Work is so...so...unevolved. Only peons work. I know, I know. But as one of the peons, I just thought I'd suggest it in case, well, in case hitting up total strangers for $$ doesn't quite work out. Sal Hari Krishna! Here's a flower...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi School Graduate- Appointed to Chief of Gambia...'
This guy used to be dome security during 2001-2002. For those who attended the dome at that time, he was the black tough guy who checked badges. Nice and very intelligent man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: National Guards get new chief Written by Ebrima Jaw MannehMonday, 04 December 2006 President Yahya Jammeh, who doubles as the Commander-in-Chief of the Gambia Armed Forces (GAF), has appointed Lieutenant Colonel Biran Saine as Chief of the Gambia National Guards. Profile Lt Col Saine, a father of three, was born on 16th August 1963 at Jimbala in the Lower Saloum District, Central River Division. He grew up inFarafenni, Upper Baddibu District, North Bank Division where he started his schooling. After completing his primary education, he was admitted to Farafenni Junior Secondary School, before he proceeded to the Gambia Muslim High School in Banjul. He later transferred to Armitage High School at Janjanbureh, where he completed his secondary school education. Lt Col Saine enlisted into the Gambia National Army on 15th January 1986. In 1987, he joined Charlie Company, 1st Infantry Battalion on their deployment to the then Senegambia Confederal Battalion, where he served until 1989. He was withdrawn from the Confederal Battalion and given a probationary rank of Second Lieutenant in March 1989. Thereafter, he was sent to the US to attend the United States Army Infantry Officers' Basic Course at Fort Benning, Georgia. His status was confirmed to substantive regular commission on his return from the United States in September 1989. Since then, Lt Col Saine had virtually held all appointments in an infantry battalion. He served in ECOMOG-Liberia from mid 1991 to early 1992, as platoon commander. Upon his return from Liberia, he was posted to 2nd Infantry Battalion, Kudang Barracks, as Company Commander. In late 1992, Lt Col Saine was appointed Staff Officer Grade 3 Intelligence and Security at Headquarters, Gambia National Army. This was at a time when the Nigerian Army Training Assistance Group (NATAG) to The Gambia established the present Headquarters of the Gambia National Army. After successfully completing the Intelligence and Security Overseas Officers' Course in the UK in 1993, he was appointed Staff Office,r Grade 2 Intelligence and Security. Following the withdrawal of NATAG from The Gambia in 1994, Lt Col Saine served in many capacities as a staff officer at Headquarters, Gambia National Army, until his redeployment to 2nd Infantry Battalion, Farafenni Barracks, where he served as Commanding Officer, in late 1995. Lt Col Saine did his Junior Staff Course at the Command and Staff College, Nigeria in 1996. In 1997, he took a five-year study leave from the Gambia Armed Forces and went to the US to pursue a Double Major in Computer Science and Business Management. He graduated from Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Lowa, on 30th June 2002, with a BSc in Computer Science and a BA in Business Management. Upon his return from the US in July 2002, he was appointed Director Intelligence and Security as well as Information Technology (IT) Officer of the Gambia Armed Forces. Lt Col Saine, who is married, attended six military courses in the course of his career, the most recent of which are: Administration and Logistic in United Nations Peace Operations and International Peace Support Operations, at the Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping Training Center, in Ghana, in 2004. He also attended the senior staff sourse at the Armed Forces Command and Staff College in Nigeria from August 2004 to July 2005. Lt Col Saine has just returned from the United Nations Operations in Cote d'Ivoire (UNOCI) as a Military Observer. - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
Peter wrote: --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't understand what I'm saying. Certainly the mind is contained in consciousness but what happens if the local tax collector calls you and says Peter, you own $5,000 in back taxes and have to pay up by the end of the month or we'll take your house. Do you remain meless or does the Peter and the tax bill suddenly become the center of focus? My bet it is the latter. :) I understand you perfectly well and I still argue that you are confounding consciousness with mind. Me is an artifact of consciousness projected into and identified with mind. This creates a me or an I that is experienced as self. But this me or I doesn't exist, it appears to exist in waking state, but in CC this disappears and it becomes very clear that there never was an individual called Frank, Tom or Bob. In CC there is a perfect duality of empty-Self and everything else including all functions of mind. So you get the tax bill and freakout in CC as you would in waking state. However there is no you to freakout or not freakout in CC. Who you are in CC has nothing to do with anything in the relative. When you have a waking state me you freakout over the bill. When you don't have a me freakout over the bill still occurs, but it has nothing to do with who you are. You can call it me pog or gloop for all I care. Certainly the me is an illusion as is everything else in the universe, but what has been your experience? I'm more interested in here the experiential instead of the theoretical of scholasticism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Purusha programm Sponsorship
Sorry! Sal On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Peter wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't understand what I'm saying. Certainly the mind is contained in consciousness but what happens if the local tax collector calls you and says Peter, you own $5,000 in back taxes and have to pay up by the end of the month or we'll take your house. Do you remain meless or does the Peter and the tax bill suddenly become the center of focus? My bet it is the latter. :) I understand you perfectly well and I still argue that you are confounding consciousness with mind. Me is an artifact of consciousness projected into and identified with mind. This creates a me or an I that is experienced as self. But this me or I doesn't exist, it appears to exist in waking state, but in CC this disappears and it becomes very clear that there never was an individual called Frank, Tom or Bob. In CC there is a perfect duality of empty-Self and everything else including all functions of mind. So you get the tax bill and freakout in CC as you would in waking state. However there is no you to freakout or not freakout in CC. Who you are in CC has nothing to do with anything in the relative. When you have a waking state me you freakout over the bill. When you don't have a me freakout over the bill still occurs, but it has nothing to do with who you are. Perhaps, though for many, freeakout might be too strong a reaction to something as trivial as a bill for backtaxes. Even many non-CC people are able to take such things in stride.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! Of course, neither of you have indicated interest in either being on such a program, or helping someone be on such a program, so your thunder is quite Shakspearean, specifically, along the lines of Macbeth's sound and fury, signifying nothing... ...told by an idiot, too, I warrant. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. guffaw Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. Pathological. Especially since BARRY is the one who has implied that using the TM-Sidhis course, since it is not sanskrit based, can't possibly work. I mean, BARRY apparently believes that reading/thinking sanskrit has some special effect... ...unless, of course, it is something that MMY has advocated. Pathological indeed...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. Or anything else. Everyone knows that faith in Maharishi is all you need. :-) Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. More like there's no need for one once you've decided that he's right about pretty much *every- thing*, while denying that's what you're doing. As Dr. Phil says, How's that workin' for you? :-)
[FairfieldLife] TM in GCP/EGG Update 4 December 2006
A couple of recent events in the formal series are noteworthy: We decided to assess the Super Radiance Yogic Flying program organized by the Transcentental Meditation organization in August and September as a formal event and found a -2.5 sigma effect. The result is consistent with the claim that mass meditations produce a calming effect on the environment. I couldn't find the newsletter from which this excerpt is taken, but maybe you can: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ The Global Consciousness Project (GCP) is an international effort involving researchers from several institutions and countries, designed to explore whether the construct of interconnected consciousness can be scientifically validated through objective measurement. The project builds on excellent experiments conducted over the past 35 years at a number of laboratories, demonstrating that human consciousness interacts with random event generators (REGs), apparently causing them to produce non-random patterns. A description of the technical implementation is given under procedures. The experimental results clearly show that a broader examination of this phenomenon is warranted. In recent work, prior to the Global Consciousness Project, an array of REG devices in Europe and the US showed non-random activity during widely shared experiences of deeply engaging events. For example, the funeral ceremonies for Princess Diana, and the international Winter Olympics in Nagano, Japan, created shared emotions and a coherence of consciousness that appeared to be correlated with structure in the otherwise random data. In the fully developed project, a world-spanning array of labile REG detectors is connected to computers running software to collect data and send it to a central server via the Internet. This network is designed to document and display any subtle, but direct effects of our collective consciousness reacting to global events. The research hypothesis predicts the appearance of coherence and structure in the globally distributed data collected during major events that engage the world population.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? Sal Perhaps Armenia?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. I think shukra69 is correct. If you twist your mind to, for example, understand the ninth mandala intellectually you probably get no benefit. But innocently listening to the words/sounds is a great help for growth. I remain close-minded, either way...
[FairfieldLife] Let's talk about something different
And let's make it at least as interesting as the scum on the top of boiled milk. Whattya peeps think? Any ideas for different topics?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 stephen4359@ wrote: Does anyone know what Maharishi states is the correct sequence for reading the Vedic literature? 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. Or anything else. Everyone knows that faith in Maharishi is all you need. :-) Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. More like there's no need for one once you've decided that he's right about pretty much *every- thing*, while denying that's what you're doing. Both are the case, actually. As Dr. Phil says, How's that workin' for you? :-) So how *is* it working for you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM in GCP/EGG Update 4 December 2006
That's interesting. Who knew? - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM in GCP/EGG Update 4 December 2006 A couple of recent events in the formal series are noteworthy: We decided to assess the Super Radiance Yogic Flying program organized by the Transcentental Meditation organization in August and September as a formal event and found a -2.5 sigma effect. The result is consistent with the claim that mass meditations produce a calming effect on the environment. I couldn't find the newsletter from which this excerpt is taken, but maybe you can: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ The Global Consciousness Project (GCP) is an international effort involving researchers from several institutions and countries, designed to explore whether the construct of interconnected consciousness can be scientifically validated through objective measurement. The project builds on excellent experiments conducted over the past 35 years at a number of laboratories, demonstrating that human consciousness interacts with random event generators (REGs), apparently causing them to produce non-random patterns. A description of the technical implementation is given under procedures. The experimental results clearly show that a broader examination of this phenomenon is warranted. In recent work, prior to the Global Consciousness Project, an array of REG devices in Europe and the US showed non-random activity during widely shared experiences of deeply engaging events. For example, the funeral ceremonies for Princess Diana, and the international Winter Olympics in Nagano, Japan, created shared emotions and a coherence of consciousness that appeared to be correlated with structure in the otherwise random data. In the fully developed project, a world-spanning array of labile REG detectors is connected to computers running software to collect data and send it to a central server via the Internet. This network is designed to document and display any subtle, but direct effects of our collective consciousness reacting to global events. The research hypothesis predicts the appearance of coherence and structure in the globally distributed data collected during major events that engage the world population. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. guffaw Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. Pathological. Especially since BARRY is the one who has implied that using the TM-Sidhis course, since it is not sanskrit based, can't possibly work. Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis don't work. Why, just the other day I stated explicitly that some who practice them have very real experiences indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe those experiences are pretty much the result of the placebo effect. Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about the real thing. The TM siddhis aren't. Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) I mean, BARRY apparently believes that reading/thinking sanskrit has some special effect... Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For example, some True Believers have convinced themselves that when they hear words they don't understand it has good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays trapped inside the words they don't understand. They have decided this because early in life they made a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think for themselves. But that doesn't mean that they don't actually *feel* some effect from doing what he says, because of the placebo effect. It doesn't even mean that some of the effects they feel aren't real -- sometimes people *do* get better from swallowing a sugar pill. Why shouldn't it be possible for fanatical TM True Believers to feel better after swallowing a load of horseshit? :-) I hope I've clarified my position so that you don't need to misrepresent it in the future, Lawson. You also don't have to capitalize all the letters in my name. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You can call it me pog or gloop for all I care. Certainly the me is an illusion as is everything else in the universe, but what has been your experience? I'm more interested in here the experiential instead of the theoretical of scholasticism. My experience was/is that there used to be this guy named Jim, who was me, who if I focused inwardly when I was actively awake, like sitting at my PC, was me. Like living in a sphere of identity called 'Jim'. Then, like a string being cut, there is still Jim, and he pretty much operates like he used to, only he isn't me. Me if I take a few seconds to assess myself now has no boundaries. 'Me' either goes infinitely outward or infinitely inward. Its really confusing trying to understand this stuff from waking state, and absolutely normal and just like life always was and will be, afterwards. I like to think of it in terms of who we identify with. In waking state I identified with Jim. After waking state, I identify with whatever. Sometimes Jim, sometimes not, sometimes past, sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes future. Doesn't matter- One thing is for certain- there is a *lot* more freedom, whether I like it or not. Sometimes I revel in the infinite, and other times it is like falling continuously without end, and grabbing for a rope that is never there for long. It is incomprehensible intellectually and comprehensible only through being. Other than that, everything is the same; same bills, same activities, pretty much the same values, likes and dislikes. etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't understand what I'm saying. Certainly the mind is contained in consciousness but what happens if the local tax collector calls you and says Peter, you own $5,000 in back taxes and have to pay up by the end of the month or we'll take your house. Do you remain meless or does the Peter and the tax bill suddenly become the center of focus? My bet it is the latter. :) I understand you perfectly well and I still argue that you are confounding consciousness with mind. Me is an artifact of consciousness projected into and identified with mind. This creates a me or an I that is experienced as self. But this me or I doesn't exist, it appears to exist in waking state, but in CC this disappears and it becomes very clear that there never was an individual called Frank, Tom or Bob. In CC there is a perfect duality of empty-Self and everything else including all functions of mind. So you get the tax bill and freakout in CC as you would in waking state. However there is no you to freakout or not freakout in CC. Who you are in CC has nothing to do with anything in the relative. When you have a waking state me you freakout over the bill. When you don't have a me freakout over the bill still occurs, but it has nothing to do with who you are. Perhaps, though for many, freeakout might be too strong a reaction to something as trivial as a bill for backtaxes. Even many non-CC people are able to take such things in stride. Not a freakout but a reminder we still have to deal with sleepwalking zombies. This actually happened to me so that is why I used the example. In my case the bank who had the mortgage failed to pay the supplemental taxes. Also I didn't know I was supposed to get a copy of the tax bill even if the bank was paying the taxes. That was the title insurance company's fault. So some five years later I get a bill for taxes due and 2 weeks to clear it up. The bank took care of it but if I had been away I could have returned home with someone else in my house just for the taxes owed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's talk about something different
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And let's make it at least as interesting as the scum on the top of boiled milk. Whattya peeps think? Any ideas for different topics? How about Moments in film or literature that, for you, encapsulate some important spiritual principle or teaching. In other words, a scene in a film or novel that just *nails* some aspect of the spiritual process, and that never fails to get you high, every time you see it or read it. I'm actually fairly serious. It's one of the *only* things I've ever seen bring harmony to forums that have become lost in bitterness and hatred. Even people who are as full of hatred as some of the hardasses here have a favorite movie or book, and favorite scenes within them. If we can get them to focus on those scenes instead of their hatred, things have pretty much *got* to lighten up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM in GCP/EGG Update 4 December 2006
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/tm.resonance.html On Dec 4, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: A couple of recent events in the formal series are noteworthy: We decided to assess the Super Radiance Yogic Flying program organized by the Transcentental Meditation organization in August and September as a formal event and found a -2.5 sigma effect. The result is consistent with the claim that mass meditations produce a calming effect on the environment. I couldn't find the newsletter from which this excerpt is taken, but maybe you can: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ The Global Consciousness Project (GCP) is an international effort involving researchers from several institutions and countries, designed to explore whether the construct of interconnected consciousness can be scientifically validated through objective measurement. The project builds on excellent experiments conducted over the past 35 years at a number of laboratories, demonstrating that human consciousness interacts with random event generators (REGs), apparently causing them to produce non-random patterns. A description of the technical implementation is given under procedures. The experimental results clearly show that a broader examination of this phenomenon is warranted. In recent work, prior to the Global Consciousness Project, an array of REG devices in Europe and the US showed non-random activity during widely shared experiences of deeply engaging events. For example, the funeral ceremonies for Princess Diana, and the international Winter Olympics in Nagano, Japan, created shared emotions and a coherence of consciousness that appeared to be correlated with structure in the otherwise random data. In the fully developed project, a world-spanning array of labile REG detectors is connected to computers running software to collect data and send it to a central server via the Internet. This network is designed to document and display any subtle, but direct effects of our collective consciousness reacting to global events. The research hypothesis predicts the appearance of coherence and structure in the globally distributed data collected during major events that engage the world population.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's talk about something different
Here Sir Kirk, Something different here. Click here Hagelin llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:17:02 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Let's talk about something different And let's make it at least as interesting as the scum on the top of boiled milk. Whattya peeps think? Any ideas for different topics? - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM in GCP/EGG Update 4 December 2006
From the Wikipedia Criticism The methodology of the Global Consciousness Project has been questioned. Most of this criticism centers on how the data are selected and interpreted. Spikes and fluctuations are to be expected in any random distribution of data, and there is no set time frame for how close a spike has to be to a given event for the GCP to find a correlation. For example, on September 11, 2001, it was alleged that spikes that occurred hours before the attacks were themselves caused by the attacks, implying backwards causality or subconscious mass precognition. Another criticism is that there is no objective criterion for determining whether an event is significant. Events are seemingly arbitrarily selected post-hoc, and only the data from that time period are observed. Data from other time periods are ignored, whether or not they may display similar fluctuations. This allows opportunity for selection bias. Also, there is no correlation between degree of significance and type or magnitude of fluctuations observed. Since the GCP has posited that individual emotions are too weak to be measured, but that confluence of emotion and mental state in the world cause data deviation in their random number generators, one would expect a greater global awareness to magnify the results proportionately, but this has not been observed—the GCP tends to find their correlation whether the global event under consideration affected a few hundred or a few hundred million individuals. Finally, it has never been satisfactorally explained through what mechanism random number generators would respond to human thoughts, even theoretically. There are two distinct claims: The claim that some sort of global consciousness field exists is being tested by assuming a different, independent claim that such a global consciousness field affects random number generators. Random number generators function by applying algorithms to white noise. No analysis of white noise itself has ever found a correlation or pattern corresponding to meaningful world events. On Dec 4, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Vaj wrote: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/tm.resonance.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's talk about something different
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: And let's make it at least as interesting as the scum on the top of boiled milk. Whattya peeps think? Any ideas for different topics? How about Moments in film or literature that, for you, encapsulate some important spiritual principle or teaching. In other words, a scene in a film or novel that just *nails* some aspect of the spiritual process, and that never fails to get you high, every time you see it or read it. I'm actually fairly serious. It's one of the *only* things I've ever seen bring harmony to forums that have become lost in bitterness and hatred. Even people who are as full of hatred as some of the hardasses here have a favorite movie or book, and favorite scenes within them. If we can get them to focus on those scenes instead of their hatred, things have pretty much *got* to lighten up. Good idea. You start.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. guffaw Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. Pathological. Especially since BARRY is the one who has implied that using the TM-Sidhis course, since it is not sanskrit based, can't possibly work. Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis don't work. Why, just the other day I stated explicitly that some who practice them have very real experiences indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe those experiences are pretty much the result of the placebo effect. Actually, what BARRY stated was that he suspected *all* techniques for self-realization were placebos. Which (as I pointed out) renders the notion of the placebo effect completely meaningless and utterly useless for making any kind of distinction between spiritual techniques. Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about the real thing. Patanjali was writing about the real *placebo effect*, BARRY means. The TM siddhis aren't. Aren't what? Aren't the real placebo effect? What's a fake placebo effect, pray tell? Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) The question is whether BARRY is clear on it. I mean, BARRY apparently believes that reading/thinking sanskrit has some special effect... Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For example, some True Believers have convinced themselves that when they hear words they don't understand it has good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays trapped inside the words they don't understand. They have decided this because early in life they made a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think for themselves. Actually, some of them decided to check around and discovered that MMY was by no means the only person to maintain that Sanskrit (and other ancient languages) had an effect that went way beyond the semantic meanings of the words. Indeed, they found it was a very common belief in spiritual circles (including some conventional religious circles, such as Judaism).
[FairfieldLife] Build another pundit campus?
Instead of temporarily moving 100 Mother Divine onto the MUM campus and using the already-built trailer park for 500 of its originally- intended pundit-occupants, Bevan and John want you to give generously to build another pundit campus -- not surprisingly, 250 people who pledged to donate once the pundits got here are keeping their hands in their pockets: Subject: Preparing for 1000 Vedic Pandits http://invincibleamerica.org Monday December 4, 2006 Dear Supporters of the Vedic Pandits: PLEASE DONATE FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR 1000 VEDIC PANDITS http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.451217/it.A/id.9/.f I am sure you have heard the wonderful news: Three hundred and forty Vedic Pandits have arrived in the Maharishi Vedic City/Fairfield community and are now creating a powerful upsurge of coherence and positivity for America and the world! This is a great achievementbut we must not stop. We must complete the project. We must prepare to welcome to America the next 700 Vedic Pandits over the next several monthsfor a total of 1000. One thousand Vedic Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City/Fairfield will ensure that the number of people practicing Yogic Flying here will always be maintained above the crucial Super Radiance number for the US, which is 1732and guarantee invincibility for America. Twice in recent days we have surpassed that number. However, the number of Yogic Flyers drops during holidays and weekends, and the numbers in the morning are still 300-400 shy of what we need. That is why 1000 Vedic Pandits are essential for an Invincible America. Their Vedic routine not only includes Yogic Flying twice a day, but also other Vedic programs that enrich national consciousness in an extremely powerful way. Right now, the 340 Vedic Pandits are staying on the Maharishi University of Management campus in six buildings. However, these buildings are almost fulland we need hundreds more places for more Vedic Pandits right away. To permanently house all 1000 Pandits we must build as soon as possible an 80-acre, fortune-creating Vastu campus in Maharishi Vedic City so they can be all together in one group. There is already considerable progress on the new campus. Thirty homes have now arrived to house 120 Pandits, and the infrastructure is going in to serve all 1000 Pandits. Nearly 1600 donors have contributed to Pandit project over the past 30 months, from 48 states and 14 countries, and they have made it possible for the Pandits to be here now to help create an Invincible Americaan America at peacea Vedic America. In particular, we all feel enormous gratitude to the Howard and Alice Settle Foundation for their extremely timely and generous support to the project by providing living expenses for all the Pandits. Now, however, we need to quickly BUILD the new campus and complete the project. If you are among these original 1600 generous donors, it would be fantasticand deeply appreciatedif you would contribute more to this urgent project. And if you are among the 250 others who originally pledged almost $2 million once the Pandits arrivedand have not yet givennow is the time to fulfill your pledge. Your support is absolutely crucial. So we ask you to contribute now. To do that, you can simply click here to make an on- line secure credit card donation http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.451217/it.A/id.9/.f , either as a one-time donation or as a recurring donation. Or you can mail a check to Vedic Pandits for America, Global Country of World Peace, 2000 Capital Boulevard, Maharishi Vedic City, IA 52556. Jai Guru Dev Dr. John Hagelin Raja Wynne Dr. Bevan Morris
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's talk about something different
Sir Kirk, here's another one. Click here Vedic Vastu llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:17:02 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Let's talk about something different And let's make it at least as interesting as the scum on the top of boiled milk. Whattya peeps think? Any ideas for different topics? - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's talk about something different
Maharishi makes Holland Invincible. llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:17:02 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Let's talk about something different And let's make it at least as interesting as the scum on the top of boiled milk. Whattya peeps think? Any ideas for different topics? - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. guffaw Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. Pathological. Especially since BARRY is the one who has implied that using the TM-Sidhis course, since it is not sanskrit based, can't possibly work. Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis don't work. Why, just the other day I stated explicitly that some who practice them have very real experiences indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe those experiences are pretty much the result of the placebo effect. Actually, what BARRY stated was that he suspected *all* techniques for self-realization were placebos. Which (as I pointed out) renders the notion of the placebo effect completely meaningless and utterly useless for making any kind of distinction between spiritual techniques. Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about the real thing. Patanjali was writing about the real *placebo effect*, BARRY means. The TM siddhis aren't. Aren't what? Aren't the real placebo effect? What's a fake placebo effect, pray tell? Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) The question is whether BARRY is clear on it. I mean, BARRY apparently believes that reading/thinking sanskrit has some special effect... Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For example, some True Believers have convinced themselves that when they hear words they don't understand it has good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays trapped inside the words they don't understand. They have decided this because early in life they made a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think for themselves. Actually, some of them decided to check around and discovered that MMY was by no means the only person to maintain that Sanskrit (and other ancient languages) had an effect that went way beyond the semantic meanings of the words. Indeed, they found it was a very common belief in spiritual circles (including some conventional religious circles, such as Judaism). I suspect Barry is just f'ing around on this one- to negate the teaching of name and form is pretty rediculous. Reminds me of an experiment I did for my high school science fair, where I placed a sheet of metal covered with iron filings on top of a speaker and then by playing different frequencies through the speaker, different patterns were formed by the filings. Different frequencies, different effects. Same reason we like different kinds of music, and Barry brings up his musical preferences here, so why is not all music the same for him? Nah, he's jerking your chain... On the other hand, if he is being serious, it is a case of him being seduced by the waking state mind and the ego, whereby transcendent experiences are ascribed to one's self. Transcending becomes something *special* that we are exquisitely mindful of, and rather than become a way to liberation, become a method for further self- aggrandizement. So its either BS or the other thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of temporarily moving 100 Mother Divine onto the MUM campus and using the already-built trailer park for 500 of its originally- intended pundit-occupants, Bevan and John want you to give generously to build another pundit campus -- not surprisingly, 250 people who pledged to donate once the pundits got here are keeping their hands in their pockets: Subject: Preparing for 1000 Vedic Pandits http://invincibleamerica.org snip Though the stated aims are different, is this incessant fundraising at MUM really any different than that which goes on at any university? How do Stanford and Harvard get their billion dollar endowments? People wake up one day and decide, Gee I guess I'll make a substantial contribution to my alma mater...? Nope- it is the same kind of deluge of mailings, phone calls, fund raising events that occurs at MUM. Kind of a big yawn, dont'cha think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
Sir barry, sidhis are a paradox. Even if they are there, they are rare and should not be disclosed. The TM-org has put unimaginable pressure upon itself due to this 'Sidhi program'. Just imagine, if someone in SSRS mov't or Chopra's disciple manages to float or fly or soar in the sky.!! What will Hagelin do about it.?? What will TM-org do about it.?? Will they file a suit.?? These pea brained morons who run the movement are playing a dangerous game. That is something a True fanatic can't understand. This kind of McMarketing of these McSidhis are crazy. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:30:36 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis don't work. Why, just the other day I stated explicitly that some who practice them have very real experiences indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe those experiences are pretty much the result of the placebo effect. Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about the real thing. The TM siddhis aren't. Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For example, some True Believers have convinced themselves that when they hear words they don't understand it has good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays trapped inside the words they don't understand. They have decided this because early in life they made a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think for themselves. But that doesn't mean that they don't actually *feel* some effect from doing what he says, because of the placebo effect. It doesn't even mean that some of the effects they feel aren't real -- sometimes people *do* get better from swallowing a sugar pill. Why shouldn't it be possible for fanatical TM True Believers to feel better after swallowing a load of horseshit? :-) I hope I've clarified my position so that you don't need to misrepresent it in the future, Lawson. You also don't have to capitalize all the letters in my name. :-) :-) :-) - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
Jim Flanegin writes snipped I like to think of it in terms of who we identify with. In waking state I identified with Jim. After waking state, I identify with whatever. Sometimes Jim, sometimes not, sometimes past, sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes future. Doesn't matter- One thing is for certain- there is a *lot* more freedom, whether I like it or not. Sometimes I revel in the infinite, and other times it is like falling continuously without end, and grabbing for a rope that is never there for long. It is incomprehensible intellectually and comprehensible only through being. Tom T: Jed McKenna (a FF Ru using a pseudoname) wrote in his book Spiritual Enlightenment the Damndest THing. That one could charaterize the above feeling as Free Fall Forever and another awake friend said it is all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. Now that really is incomprehensible by the mind but just fine with consciousness. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
Tom wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped I like to think of it in terms of who we identify with. In waking state I identified with Jim. After waking state, I identify with whatever. Sometimes Jim, sometimes not, sometimes past, sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes future. Doesn't matter- One thing is for certain- there is a *lot* more freedom, whether I like it or not. Sometimes I revel in the infinite, and other times it is like falling continuously without end, and grabbing for a rope that is never there for long. It is incomprehensible intellectually and comprehensible only through being. Tom T: Jed McKenna (a FF Ru using a pseudoname) wrote in his book Spiritual Enlightenment the Damndest THing. That one could charaterize the above feeling as Free Fall Forever and another awake friend said it is all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. Now that really is incomprehensible by the mind but just fine with consciousness. Tom Is that the reason there are so many dysfunctional individuals in the movement or other similar spiritual groups, due to the fact that they can not cling to anything ? If so, what would McKenna or others advise to resolve it or better said smooth it in order that those who in that free-fall forever state can also be productive in what we call the daily life?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped I like to think of it in terms of who we identify with. In waking state I identified with Jim. After waking state, I identify with whatever. Sometimes Jim, sometimes not, sometimes past, sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes future. Doesn't matter- One thing is for certain- there is a *lot* more freedom, whether I like it or not. Sometimes I revel in the infinite, and other times it is like falling continuously without end, and grabbing for a rope that is never there for long. It is incomprehensible intellectually and comprehensible only through being. Tom T: Jed McKenna (a FF Ru using a pseudoname) wrote in his book Spiritual Enlightenment the Damndest THing. That one could charaterize the above feeling as Free Fall Forever and another awake friend said it is all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. Now that really is incomprehensible by the mind but just fine with consciousness. Tom Hi Tom, the funny thing or another funny thing about all of this, is as much as some vestige of my old mind wants to find a landing spot sometimes, the complete freedom of my being has made possible new abilities that when exercised only increase the unbounded nature of me!!! For example I've been doing this thing lately where I will think a thought and then watch the thought dissolve and focus on the sensation in the body that is left over after the thought goes away. Then the feeling in the body transcends itself as it unwinds, resulting in an even greater space of me within and without which to play.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is that the reason there are so many dysfunctional individuals in the movement or other similar spiritual groups, due to the fact that they can not cling to anything ? Yep- too much transcending without grounding it out, through exercise, work, or diet. Its a fine line, but the above states are basically due to too much tamas in the body. Break it up and shake it up. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom wrote: Jim Flanegin writes snipped I like to think of it in terms of who we identify with. In waking state I identified with Jim. After waking state, I identify with whatever. Sometimes Jim, sometimes not, sometimes past, sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes future. Doesn't matter- One thing is for certain- there is a *lot* more freedom, whether I like it or not. Sometimes I revel in the infinite, and other times it is like falling continuously without end, and grabbing for a rope that is never there for long. It is incomprehensible intellectually and comprehensible only through being. Tom T: Jed McKenna (a FF Ru using a pseudoname) wrote in his book Spiritual Enlightenment the Damndest THing. That one could charaterize the above feeling as Free Fall Forever and another awake friend said it is all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. Now that really is incomprehensible by the mind but just fine with consciousness. Tom Is that the reason there are so many dysfunctional individuals in the movement or other similar spiritual groups, due to the fact that they can not cling to anything ? If so, what would McKenna or others advise to resolve it or better said smooth it in order that those who in that free-fall forever state can also be productive in what we call the daily life? Don't be attached to the non-attachment! :-) Seriously, don't confuse the inner state with the outer responsibilities. Today I woke up at 5:30, meditated, and then began reinstalling my sink disposal, which has developed a leak due to the plumbing connecting the disposal to the drainage pipes being cut slightly too short by the original installer, causing the disposal to cant about 5-7 degrees off level, causing greater stress on the plumber's putty seal on the sink drain, eventually leading to a leak- - which I have now repaired by essentially taking everything apart and putting it back together again- three hours. Also spoke with someone at length about a possible learning program redesign contract for a computer networks audience, which is what I do when not repairing the plumbing. I use the above as an example of how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life. By progressively culturing both states of awareness, inner and outer, over time they exist simul;taneously, clearly, without conflict, and without any *impairment* (lol!) to our daily activity.
[FairfieldLife] Intelligent Design: The Clincher
The Scientist http://www.the-scientist.com/2006/12/1/53/1/ Intelligent Design: The ClincherA butterfly explodes the theory.What can we make of the complications that led the Large Blue butterfly (Maculinea arion) to extinction in Britain?At first sight, nothing could seem less intelligent than the design of a flying insect. From an egg laid in or on a food supply, it hatches into a slow-moving eating machine that keeps outgrowing its skin, so that it has to molt every few days. At the moment of molting, it is extremely vulnerable to predators and parasites. Then, inexplicably, it stops moving and grows a hard shell, inside which it completely redesigns its body from square one, to emerge into a thing with wings that launches itself into hundreds of cubic miles of atmosphere in search of a mate, and a food plant, with nothing to guide it but a few stray molecules - pheromones and plant odors - blowing in the wind.The fact is, however, that this is a very efficient system for spreading the genes of that species around the landscape, and for locating food plants that would take an Earth-bound caterpillar days to find by dint of much hard crawling. The proof is that there are more species of insect than any other class of animal, and their biomass outweighs the mammals, even though the latter include all the elephants on earth and close to a billion overweight humans as well.OK, that complicated life cycle seems an intelligent creation in the end. But what can we make of the further complications that led the Large Blue butterfly (Maculinea arion) to extinction in Britain? It entrusts a critical stage in its life cycle to the tender care of a single species of red ant that is particularly finicky about where it nests.The story goes like this: The Large Blue lays its eggs in the buds of thyme - the culinary herb that grows wild in Europe - in the tight-bud stage. If the butterfly is ready to lay its eggs before the buds appear, or not until after they have started to open, the brood is lost. The eggs hatch after one or two weeks, depending on the weather; warm weather speeds hatching. The young caterpillars feed on thyme flowers for about two weeks during late July and early August, then fall to the ground where they are "adopted" by red ants (Myrmica sabuleti) attracted by a sugary substance secreted from a dorsal gland. The ants carry the caterpillar back to their nest, where it then gorges on ant larvae. While hidden from its own predators, the caterpillar spends 10 months as a predator in the ant nest, and then pupates there. After three weeks pupation the butterfly emerges during the four weeks mid-June to mid-July.M. sabuleti is a warmth-loving ant that thrives only in short, dry grassland on hot south-facing slopes that are heavily grazed. If the grass grows higher than 3-4 cm and shades the ground, cooling it, this ant dies out and other species of ant take over - ants that are not interested in providing free food and lodging for Large Blue caterpillars. Taller grass also crowds out thyme.What happened in Britain was a constellation of events that conspired to spell disaster for the Large Blue. One was the increased use of chemical fertilizers that promote vigorous grass growth, which kills off small wild flowers such as thyme. Then, sheep were pulled off the land by a change in livestock farming. For a few years, rabbits spread and kept the grass short in habitats favored by the butterfly, but in the 1950s myxomatosis (a viral disease of rabbits) was introduced and eliminated them. Pastures also were previously burned over, which kept the grass short, but this is no longer done.So here you have an insect that depends for its very existence on a fragile chain of circumstances that is easily broken by bad weather, changes in exposure to grazing due to human intervention and disease, loss of its unique food plant, and loss of its protector ant species. If I were to design such a silly system I'd at least choose the most abundant, hardy species of ant to host my caterpillars, and ensure that they could feed on other plants beside thyme, and at other stages than the bud. To me, the case of the Large Blue is conclusive disproof of the theory of intelligent design.Jack Woodall is director of the Nucleus for the Investigation of Emerging Infectious Diseases in the Institute of Medical Biochemistry at Brazil's Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.
[FairfieldLife] Phil Ochs singing Here's To The State of Richard Nixon
Wow, I just found this video footage of Phil Ochs, David Dellinger, and Renny Davis at the John Sinclair concert/rally that also featured John Lennon. AMAZING rare footage of Here's to the State of Richard Nixon!! -==-=-=- om=-=-=- Nick _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1jvBBIDzLg_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1jvBBIDzLg)
[FairfieldLife] Stress Relief WorkShops:
The generation and propagation of the divine knowledge is not a waste. Certainly, all will not change. A few will partially change. One or two in this minority will change completely (Manushyanam Gita). Majority remains as it is. They are always concentrating on the worldly bonds only. Their goal is money, family, comforts, fame etc., only. At the maximum they may attend some work shops to get relief from the stress because they are tired with the stress by the problems to attain their goals. For them work is worship. Their ultimate and utmost spiritual effort is only the participation in a work shop on stress relief so that they can be reactivated for fresh efforts to achieve the worldly goals by improving their professional skills. It is just a commercial advertisement! The spiritual preachers also changed according to the public because the tendency of today is that the ruler should go according to the needs of public in democracy. A king may do like that who is a politician aspiring for position, power and wealth. But a spiritual preacher should not come down to such level. He should guide the people to the right path without any compromise of the truth. The people should follow the knowledge. But today the knowledge is following people. The people need only fresh strength in the worldly work. The spiritual preacher limited himself to that particular lowest level only which is needed for the public. All the other higher levels are just mentioned as a formality. Here the spiritual preacher should impress on the life after death. He should preach about the unimaginable stress which is to be faced by the people after death in the hell. Islam and Christianity speak about the permanent hell. There is only one enquiry at the end of this only one human life. After that enquiry, either permanent place in the abode of God or permanent hell will be the result of the divine judgment. Such concept is absolutely correct and is also universal. The law of God is one and the same in any religion. God uses His special power in the case of exceptionally deserving devotees to grant the human rebirth and this cannot be generalized. In Hinduism this exceptional facility is extended to every human being and this caused a careless lenient view about the spiritual effort to concentrate on God. The president of the country can cancel the death punishment in the case of a deserving candidate using his special power. If this is generalized and if every human being is granted this facility, there is no fear for any one to do a murder! Due to this reason only, we can find most of the Christians and Muslims in Churches and Mosques to worship God and they are not found in the stress relief-work shops. We can find mainly Hindus in these work shops. Hindus feel that a number of chances of human birth will be available in future and going to hell is only a temporary visit. One must note an important point here. By concentrating on God through devotion, you will get the stress relief also, which is included in the devotion. Then why to spend time for mere stress relief from these temporary worldly problems? In the school all the subjects are taught. If you go to a single teacher, you can learn one subject only. Which is better? School or Tuition teacher? By the divine knowledge and devotion, you are getting stress relief in this world as well as in the upper world. In the workshop you can get stress relief from the problems in this world only. I am not criticizing these work shops because I am not in the competition with those preachers for fame or wealth. I am also not jealous with those preachers for their fame. I am only pained by the fate of the followers and those preachers also in the future. The Veda says that blind lead blind and fall in the well (Andhenaiva ). Some preachers say that they know the truth, but they are doing like this for initial attraction. But the initial attraction is always continuing through out the human life. What is the difference between such work shops and cinema theaters, since both give stress relief? What is the difference between these work shops and hospitals since both give relief from illness? at the lotus feet of swamiji surya
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's talk about something different
TurquoiseB wrote: How about Moments in film or literature that, for you, encapsulate some important spiritual principle or teaching. In other words, a scene in a film or novel that just *nails* some aspect of the spiritual process, and that never fails to get you high, every time you see it or read it. I'm actually fairly serious. It's one of the *only* things I've ever seen bring harmony to forums that have become lost in bitterness and hatred. Even people who are as full of hatred as some of the hardasses here have a favorite movie or book, and favorite scenes within them. If we can get them to focus on those scenes instead of their hatred, things have pretty much *got* to lighten up. So, how many times have you seen 'The Guru' with Heather Graham?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
TurquoiseB wrote: Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis don't work. Why, just the other day I stated explicitly that some who practice them have very real experiences indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe those experiences are pretty much the result of the placebo effect. Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about the real thing. The TM siddhis aren't. Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For example, some True Believers have convinced themselves that when they hear words they don't understand it has good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays trapped inside the words they don't understand. They have decided this because early in life they made a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think for themselves. But that doesn't mean that they don't actually *feel* some effect from doing what he says, because of the placebo effect. It doesn't even mean that some of the effects they feel aren't real -- sometimes people *do* get better from swallowing a sugar pill. Why shouldn't it be possible for fanatical TM True Believers to feel better after swallowing a load of horseshit? :-) I hope I've clarified my position so that you don't need to misrepresent it in the future, Lawson. You also don't have to capitalize all the letters in my name. :-) :-) :-) So, you're saying that you've never gotten high.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is that the reason there are so many dysfunctional individuals in the movement or other similar spiritual groups, due to the fact that they can not cling to anything ? Yep- too much transcending without grounding it out, through exercise, work, or diet. Its a fine line, but the above states are basically due to too much tamas in the body. Break it up and shake it up. snip Too much of a swing into the transcendent without the outward stroke into boundaries. Like dipping the cloth and not letting it bleach out in the sun. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! Of course, neither of you have indicated interest in either being on such a program, or helping someone be on such a program, so your thunder is quite Shakspearean, specifically, along the lines of Macbeth's sound and fury, signifying nothing... ...told by an idiot, too, I warrant. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
Larry Potter writes snipped: Part 1 Is that the reason there are so many dysfunctional individuals in the movement or other similar spiritual groups, due to the fact that they can not cling to anything ? Tom T answer to part 1 The dysfunctional individuals are those still trying to cling to a concept about what IT was going to be like. Give up the clinging and get with the free fall and all is seen as perfect. Larry Potter Part 2 If so, what would McKenna or others advise to resolve it or better said smooth it in order that those who in that free-fall forever state can also be productive in what we call the daily life? Tom answers Part 2; Who has said anything about those in free fall being unproductive? Your concept being laid on that which you can not understand. Being in free fall is absolutely delicious. Nothing to fear and no ability to hold or get stuck in fear. I find that I sometimes put in a 23 hour day and get right up and go for another 16 or 18 on 6 to 8 hours rest. I am 65 and have never felt better or had more energy in my life. With no fear in my life I have no wasted energy in dealing with those feelings that fear used to bring up. AS Neal Donald Walsh put it so eloquently in Conversations with God. FEAR is an acronym for False Evidence that Appears Real. Fear is just another idea. Get with the flow and things are as they are, enjoyable. Enjoy Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: JAMA Caper
jstein wrote: None of this is true. Chopra never sued Skolnick. You may want to check your facts on this! Your movement's SLAPP suit against me prevented my finishing an article that examines the scientific evidence for the claims of TM and Maharishi Ayurveda (those interested in seeing this should stay tuned for a book in the works). From: Andrew Skolnick Date: Sun, Mar 12 1995 3:30 pm Groups: sci.skeptic, sci.psychology, sci.med, alt.health.ayurveda Subject: Chopra Credibility http://tinyurl.com/y6ttvo One development noted at the recent CSICOP Conference in Dallas was the fact that supporters of the Maharishi's Ayur-Vedic Medicine have filed a SLAPP suit against Andrew Skolnick and another editor at the Journal of the American Medical Association. Source: sci.skeptic sparaig wrote: This was 11 years ago. Where's skolnick's book on the subject? Maybe he can't write his book because of the terms of the SLAPP suit. Maybe' that's the reason his article was never quoted on Usenet. According to Skolnick he was sued by the TMO and lost his job. Go figure. But I still can't figure out why you guys keep talking but never can seem to get around to actually quoting the Skolnick 'hoodwinked' article. What's the big secret?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fear of Enlightenment'
jim Flanegin writes snipped: I use the above as an example of how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life. By progressively culturing both states of awareness, inner and outer, over time they exist simul;taneously, clearly, without conflict, and without any *impairment* (lol!) to our daily activity. Tom T: Egg Zakely. Freedom and Productivity. Fun and Intensity. Paradox after Paradox. It just keeps getting better. Reality is so much fun the TV and movies can't really cut it anymore as the raw stuff happening right here in front of me is over the top in laughter and incredible heart value. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Young Pundits in Love
Reliable rumor has it that 1. Many of the pundits are feeling very antsy in their cloistered accommodations. 2. Many would like to figure out how to get to a big city so is to get a better paying gig and a girlfriend. Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sal, you stole my thunder! Of course, neither of you have indicated interest in either being on such a program, or helping someone be on such a program, so your thunder is quite Shakspearean, specifically, along the lines of Macbeth's sound and fury, signifying nothing... ...told by an idiot, too, I warrant. --- Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:52 AM, avtsn wrote: 1000 headed Purusha programm about 4 months. Look for sponsor for very small money to support. please contact aravet@ Thanks in advance, Aram Avetsiyan Where exactly do you live, Aram? Does your local paper have an Employment Section? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
[FairfieldLife] Re: Young Pundits in Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reliable rumor has it that 1.Many of the pundits are feeling very antsy in their cloistered accommodations. 2.Many would like to figure out how to get to a big city so is to get a better paying gig and a girlfriend. Still slavering after more monk-turned-womanizer stories, eh, Rick?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Instead of temporarily moving 100 Mother Divine onto the MUM campus and using the already-built trailer park for 500 of its originally- intended pundit-occupants, Bevan and John want you to give generously to build another pundit campus -- not surprisingly, 250 people who pledged to donate once the pundits got here are keeping their hands in their pockets: Subject: Preparing for 1000 Vedic Pandits http://invincibleamerica.org snip Though the stated aims are different, is this incessant fundraising at MUM really any different than that which goes on at any university? How do Stanford and Harvard get their billion dollar endowments? People wake up one day and decide, Gee I guess I'll make a substantial contribution to my alma mater...? Nope- it is the same kind of deluge of mailings, phone calls, fund raising events that occurs at MUM. Kind of a big yawn, dont'cha think? * It's clear that all schools do incessant fundraising, so I don't have a problem with that. It's just that I find the decision to not use the original pundit campus for the pundits when they finally showed to be irrational, and so apparently do 250 people who pledged to support the pundits, but are not kicking in as promised. Mother Divine could easily move onto campus for a while, and a facility that is better suited to their numbers (100) could be build in VC, freeing up the original VC trailer park for 500 pundits. This new MD facility should be able to be built for ~$1 million, maybe even stickbuilt for that price? The original pundit campus cost $2.2 million to build, so using it for pundit housing saves a lot of money, and MD should have a better facility than they are now using. Bevan's argument is that all the pundits should be together, but since the original pundit trailer park is on 40 acres, there is plenty of room to put another similar trailer park on the same site, to accomodate the 1000 they are talking about bringing in. The recently-arrived trailers (so far they have enough housing for 120 pundits) on the 80 acre site can be used for Purusha or other groups, or even MD.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Young Pundits in Love
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Reliable rumor has it that 1. Many of the pundits are feeling very antsy in their cloistered accommodations. 2. Many would like to figure out how to get to a big city so is to get a better paying gig and a girlfriend. Still slavering after more monk-turned-womanizer stories, eh, Rick? He lies awake at night fantasizing about it. Besides isn't a reliable rumor an oxymoron? A rumor is a piece of purportedly true information that circulates without substantiating evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumor OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-|
[FairfieldLife] Re: Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Instead of temporarily moving 100 Mother Divine onto the MUM campus and using the already-built trailer park for 500 of its originally- intended pundit-occupants, Bevan and John want you to give generously to build another pundit campus -- not surprisingly, 250 people who pledged to donate once the pundits got here are keeping their hands in their pockets: Subject: Preparing for 1000 Vedic Pandits http://invincibleamerica.org snip Though the stated aims are different, is this incessant fundraising at MUM really any different than that which goes on at any university? How do Stanford and Harvard get their billion dollar endowments? People wake up one day and decide, Gee I guess I'll make a substantial contribution to my alma mater...? Nope- it is the same kind of deluge of mailings, phone calls, fund raising events that occurs at MUM. Kind of a big yawn, dont'cha think? * It's clear that all schools do incessant fundraising, so I don't have a problem with that. It's just that I find the decision to not use the original pundit campus for the pundits when they finally showed to be irrational, and so apparently do 250 people who pledged to support the pundits, but are not kicking in as promised. Agreed- I am not advocating that those people who pledged pay either. Mother Divine could easily move onto campus for a while, and a facility that is better suited to their numbers (100) could be build in VC, freeing up the original VC trailer park for 500 pundits. This new MD facility should be able to be built for ~$1 million, maybe even stickbuilt for that price? The original pundit campus cost $2.2 million to build, so using it for pundit housing saves a lot of money, and MD should have a better facility than they are now using. Bevan's argument is that all the pundits should be together, but since the original pundit trailer park is on 40 acres, there is plenty of room to put another similar trailer park on the same site, to accomodate the 1000 they are talking about bringing in. The recently-arrived trailers (so far they have enough housing for 120 pundits) on the 80 acre site can be used for Purusha or other groups, or even MD. Sounds like a fundraising ploy to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: JAMA Caper
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: None of this is true. Chopra never sued Skolnick. You may want to check your facts on this! Your movement's SLAPP suit against me prevented my finishing an article that examines the scientific evidence for the claims of TM and Maharishi Ayurveda (those interested in seeing this should stay tuned for a book in the works). From: Andrew Skolnick Date: Sun, Mar 12 1995 3:30 pm Groups: sci.skeptic, sci.psychology, sci.med, alt.health.ayurveda Subject: Chopra Credibility http://tinyurl.com/y6ttvo One development noted at the recent CSICOP Conference in Dallas was the fact that supporters of the Maharishi's Ayur-Vedic Medicine have filed a SLAPP suit against Andrew Skolnick and another editor at the Journal of the American Medical Association. Source: sci.skeptic sparaig wrote: This was 11 years ago. Where's skolnick's book on the subject? Maybe he can't write his book because of the terms of the SLAPP suit. No, the suit was dismissed, as you know. Maybe' that's the reason his article was never quoted on Usenet. His article was quoted many times on Usenet, as you know. According to Skolnick he was sued by the TMO and lost his job. Skolnick never claimed to have lost his job because of the suit, as you know. Actually, as you know, he claims he quit, but, as you know, it wasn't in connection with the TMO lawsuit in any case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| ** But calling someone a meathead could be a way that we establish, affirm and strengthen bonds of friendship and intimacy, Professor Westacott writes in an essay that is sprinkled with phrases like meta- conventions and references to Wittgenstein and Heraclitus, and that comes with a diagram on Classifying and Appraising Rudeness. In addition, he writes, teasing is one important way in which asymmetries and pecking orders are established, sustained and challenged. from: Go Ahead, Call Your Friend 'Meathead' New York Times, November 25, 2006, Saturday By DINITIA SMITH (NYT); The Arts/Cultural Desk Late Edition - Final, Section B, Page 7, Column 6, 997 words DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Sometimes, it's perfectly all right to be rude. So says Emrys Westacott, a professor at Alfred University in Alfred, N.Y., in an article published in the fall in The Journal of Applied Philosophy. In fact, he says, sometimes rudeness can even be a good thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed- I am not advocating that those people who pledged pay either. I'm not saying that people should not donate to the pundit cause, but I'm just pointing out there is apparently an understandable reluctance to throw money at Bevan, who can't think straight. Mother Divine could easily move onto campus for a while, and a facility that is better suited to their numbers (100) could be build in VC, freeing up the original VC trailer park for 500 pundits. Sounds like a fundraising ploy to me. I can't think of a better way to spend one's surplus money than by promoting world peace through increasing coherence in human consciousness. Hopefully, Bevan and other TMO managers will be among the first beneficiaries of this expanding wave of enlightenment (let's hope they do not enjoy a natural immunity to this influence).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| Well said- Peter obviously missed the memo dated 01/08/00, reproduced below: FROM: Enlightenment Supreme Command TO: Enlightened Ones Now that you are Enlightened, the following rules are to be followed AT ALL TIMES. No exceptions. This means you. 1) Act enlightened everywhere, and every place. 2) Do NOT, repeat, Do NOT manifest elements of your true personality. 3) When responding to others, maintain a semblance of evenness- no raising of the voice, or God forbid, no curse words! 4) Always speak in an even tone with a neutral expression on the face, so others will know you are enlightened. 5) Stop being yourself. 6) Stop acting normally. 7) Vegetarian food rocks. 8) Remember, you have now joined the other side- a world of bliss and lollipops and sugar. Remember, you are always happy now. 9) Negative thoughts have no place in the mind of the enlightened. 10) Do not ever say or think anything negative. Ever. I said *ever*. 11)That is all. Just...Be...Enlightened! I'll be sure and forward this to him, if he doesn't read it first. I don't know how this one slipped through the cracks...From the bottom of my heart, I am very sorry. This won't happen again. Peter really IS enlightened- Cross my heart, hope to die! signed, Jim Sargeant Major Enlightenment (Secret) Police
[FairfieldLife] Re: Build another pundit campus?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Agreed- I am not advocating that those people who pledged pay either. I'm not saying that people should not donate to the pundit cause, but I'm just pointing out there is apparently an understandable reluctance to throw money at Bevan, who can't think straight. Mother Divine could easily move onto campus for a while, and a facility that is better suited to their numbers (100) could be build in VC, freeing up the original VC trailer park for 500 pundits. Sounds like a fundraising ploy to me. I can't think of a better way to spend one's surplus money than by promoting world peace through increasing coherence in human consciousness. Hopefully, Bevan and other TMO managers will be among the first beneficiaries of this expanding wave of enlightenment (let's hope they do not enjoy a natural immunity to this influence). Good points!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| Well said- Peter obviously missed the memo dated 01/08/00, reproduced below: Hey, it's just the Paradox of Brahman. No memo needed. I mean, if *anybody* can accuse somebody else of being holier than thou, it's the enlightened person, right? FROM: Enlightenment Supreme Command TO: Enlightened Ones snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha programm Sponsorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Hey Sparaig, I was on Purusha when it first started in DC for a year. Where were you, biatch? And I do my program twice a day, so go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick. Thankyou for your enlightened sentiments... Just shows you how grounded and normal anyone can be while still experiencing free-fall forever during daily life, all teflon all the way down with absolutely nothing to cling to, attach to, or lean on. There is nobody actually saying Go f*ck yourself holier than thou prick, it's just *being said*, see, just incredible heart value. @-| It's just the appropriate response to the body being chased by a sparrow (sparaig)...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: 1. Close mind. 2. Open book. Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to comprehend it requires a closed mind? B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, you might as well close it; then you won't be tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. guffaw Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume he's correct in the first place. However, there's no need for an open mind once you've already decided MMY isn't correct about *anything*. Pathological. Especially since BARRY is the one who has implied that using the TM-Sidhis course, since it is not sanskrit based, can't possibly work. Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis don't work. Why, just the other day I stated explicitly that some who practice them have very real experiences indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe those experiences are pretty much the result of the placebo effect. Actually, what BARRY stated was that he suspected *all* techniques for self-realization were placebos. Which (as I pointed out) renders the notion of the placebo effect completely meaningless and utterly useless for making any kind of distinction between spiritual techniques. Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about the real thing. Patanjali was writing about the real *placebo effect*, BARRY means. The TM siddhis aren't. Aren't what? Aren't the real placebo effect? What's a fake placebo effect, pray tell? Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) The question is whether BARRY is clear on it. I mean, BARRY apparently believes that reading/thinking sanskrit has some special effect... Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For example, some True Believers have convinced themselves that when they hear words they don't understand it has good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays trapped inside the words they don't understand. They have decided this because early in life they made a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think for themselves. Actually, some of them decided to check around and discovered that MMY was by no means the only person to maintain that Sanskrit (and other ancient languages) had an effect that went way beyond the semantic meanings of the words. Indeed, they found it was a very common belief in spiritual circles (including some conventional religious circles, such as Judaism). FWIW, Swedish is the second official language of Finland. I occasionally watch FST (Finland's Svenska Television, Swedish TV in Finland). Listening to Swedish kinda makes me, a pathologically gloomy chap, feel a bit more joyful. As soon as I change back to a Finnish speaking channel, my normal gloomy mood returns. I have no idea whether that's because of the differences in the phonetic properties of those two languages, or just some negative emotional associations I have concerning my own native language. But it's interesting that Hungarian that's a very distant relative of Finnish, sounds awful to me. Actually one of the ugliest languages I know. Well, perhaps mainly because of a couple of exceptionally ugly vowels. And furthermore, I believe Hungarians are rather suicidal, like Finns, too. I suspect Barry is just f'ing around on this one- to negate the teaching of name and form is pretty rediculous. Reminds me of an experiment I did for my high school science fair, where I placed a sheet of metal covered with iron filings on top of a speaker and then by playing different frequencies through the speaker, different patterns were formed by the filings. Different frequencies, different effects. Same reason we like different kinds of music, and Barry brings up his musical preferences here, so why is not all music the same for him? Nah, he's jerking your chain... On the other hand, if he is being serious, it is a case of him being seduced by the waking state mind and the ego, whereby transcendent experiences are ascribed to one's self. Transcending becomes something *special* that we are
