[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] UFO's in medieval paintings??
http://www.ufo-blog.com/temp/articles/The_Immaculate_Misconception.htm ROFLOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
I think the main purpose of the concept of HoE is to motivate
TMers to continue their practice (abhyaasa) even during hard times, when
negative saMskaara's are predominant during possible asaMprajñaata-samaadhi:
viraama-pratyayaabhyaasa-puurvaH *saMskaara-sheSo* 'nyaH! (I 17)
('nyaH = anyaH = the other [main type of samaadhi?] = asaMpraajnaata-samaadhi,
i.e., samaadhi without any accompanying mental activity:
vitarka, vicaara, aananda or asmitaa)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what
HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration
to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what i've read from your
posts, i'm convinced that neither of us really know in depth the process of
souls incarnating in this world and the reason why ignorant and undeveloped
souls are sent here.
From what little I do know, All religions teach that our consciousness has to
be fully developed for HoE to be a reality, just like you say. But that's
the problem. From what i've learned, the reason we're incarnated here is
BECAUSE our consciousness ISN'T fully awake. If our consciousness was fully
awake, we wouldn't be here. It's just like a prison, if someone wasn't a
criminal, they wouldn't be there. So creating a perfect prison is futile.
Only Hinduism seems to contain the information of how and why our souls are
incarnated here, and i'm convinced that Hinduism has branched off enough to
where the information is very diluted. Western (Abrahamic) religions fall
very short of understanding this cycle of birth and death (they believe life
is a one-shot deal, heaven or hell, etc..). Bhuddism contains only the bare
essentials to reach CC. Therefore, we have only fragmented ideas of
perfection that are entirely out of context with the big picture of our
soul's situation here on earth.
What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that they are a lot of the
nicest people i've ever met, but they are very mild. They have to limit
their experiences in life to mild experiences. The really deep and heavy
experiences that help lead to our consciousness becoming fully awake.they
tend to avoid. Then they use their supreme logic to label those experiences
as being negative or ignorant. As a result, their consciousness doesn't
become fully awake, and the possibility of HoE is null.
The whole reason of creating this post in the first place anyway, was because
i'm convinced that the conception of HoE that exists in the TMO is a reality
that is not achievable, particularly in this lifetime (unless the HoE concept
is different from what I perceived). I am convinced that the concept of HoE
in the TMO is a paradigm that is based on limiting our experiences only to
what we can already handle, which is very limited in terms of the full
spectrum of life which our creator expects us to become accustomed to.
seekliberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
Om Dear Seek, TMO Heaven on Earth has been Quite well described here.
Jeezus X-mas just what the puck you been reading here; you can not get
through all that personal bickering stuff that dilutes the real spiritual
here that ought to really be carried off-line between folks privately?
Y:ou obviously missed this:
Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the highest
aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if Heaven is to
be
created on earth, it can happen only by having enough individuals whose
consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals whose consciousness
is so
expanded that it becomes one with the supreme intelligence of nature which
permeates the whole universe and upholds all of creation.
What else did you miss? The Cultural Revolution?
-Buck
Om and take a look at this if you need some review, it is Maharishiji
straight Heaven on Earth. HOE.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/330584
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@
wrote:
I simply wonder sometimes if the TMO has ever really explained what they
really mean by Heaven on Earth? Do they really advertise that there will
be no war, no violence some day? No more theft, fraud, cheating or
lying? All these negative qualities will just disappear? That seems to
be the perception and that I get when discussing what HOE will be like if
it happens.
Anyone here have any experience in the TMO actually defining HOE?
seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that they are a lot of the nicest people i've ever met, but they are very mild. They have to limit their experiences in life to mild experiences. Exactly. We're talking about people who feel guilty for eating ice cream and feel the need to hide the fact that they lust after the hot 20-year-old walking by just like everyone else. The really deep and heavy experiences that help lead to our consciousness becoming fully awake.they tend to avoid. Then they use their supreme logic to label those experiences as being negative or ignorant. As a result, their consciousness doesn't become fully awake, and the possibility of HoE is null. It is interesting to note that in many non-Indian spiritual traditions, the notion of retiring to the ashram or monastery is looked upon as a *temporary* thing, merely a stage that one goes through until one has become centered enough to handle more exotic states of consciousness in the midst of everyday life in the world. The monk or nun who walks away from the reclusive ashram or monastery is looked upon in such traditions as having graduated, not as having failed or backslid. I have to feel that this is a more realistic view of the spiritual process. Anyone can handle a sheltered, completely artificial life. But can you handle being in higher states of consciousness and riding the subway during rush hour? If the answer is No, you're not in the SoC you think you are. :-) The whole reason of creating this post in the first place anyway, was because i'm convinced that the conception of HoE that exists in the TMO is a reality that is not achievable, particularly in this lifetime (unless the HoE concept is different from what I perceived). I am convinced that the concept of HoE in the TMO is a paradigm that is based on limiting our experiences only to what we can already handle, which is very limited in terms of the full spectrum of life which our creator expects us to become accustomed to. Other than my first posts poking fun of the HOE, I've stayed out of this, because to be honest I find the whole *concept* of heaven on earth distasteful and escapist. Earth already IS as close to heaven as it's ever going to get. IMO, it's only those who are incapable of fully enjoying What Is who would even be *interested* in the concept of heaven, something supposedly better. In a very real sense, the notion of heaven -- on earth or after death -- is a drug, designed to keep people focused on some imaginary future rather than appreciating What Is, here and now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Buck, I don't mean to be rude herebut i'm curious as to what your age is? seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I love the man from Holland (was Happy Christmas FFL)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Dear Naggy, The purpose was for the question. What kind of wine are you drinking in the Alps? :) Fermented apple-juice kept in three wooden barrels in the basement, served chilled before the fireplace in the evenings. Also used for barthering potatoes. [https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVnbjXoOutcaEmIHE\ fO8P6vGYpYkAjzqnqSHM_LcLNUxpF1Ju0] http://www.google.no/imgres?um=1hl=notbo=dbiw=1013bih=555tbm=isch\ tbnid=uOG-He-C9-QfmM:imgrefurl=http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/le-chalet-z\ annierdocid=9ExmPCH5IA-ShMimgurl=http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8j\ kpl3m7I1r8irepo1_500.jpgw=500h=400ei=8tzeUJWzJoSN4gS00IDoAwzoom=1ia\ ct=hcvpx=321vpy=114dur=6872hovh=201hovw=251tx=266ty=213sig=11812\ 3721954807982797page=4tbnh=142tbnw=176start=55ndsp=20ved=1t:429,r:\ 72,s:0,i:305 And what do you drink in the desert, beer ?
[FairfieldLife] Jews and Black Death!
As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than a half of the population, Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence in the Black Death persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Christian_antisemitism So, is it fair to only blame the Nazis??
[FairfieldLife] Re: I love the man from Holland (was Happy Christmas FFL)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Dear Naggy, The purpose was for the question. What kind of wine are you drinking in the Alps? :) Fermented applejuice kept in three wooden barrels in the basement. Enjoyed in front of the fireplace in the evenings and also used for barthering potatoes. And in the desert, beer I presume ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. You are wasting your time Buck, most of your readers have to drop the body before they realize they wasted the opportunity this time around and have to spend perhaps hundreds of years before they get another chance in a new body - pearls before swine...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nature support is when Santa brings you this:
Cool! My brother in law GAVE me his old Ipad! I had mentioned very casually to my half sister that I was thinking about buying one. Then their son, my nephew gave me lessons. I used it in the Detroit airport yesterday when my flight to Cedar Rapids, Iowa was delayed for an hour. More support of Nature in that my plane reservations just happened to be for the window of relatively good weather yesterday. Anyway, it'll be GREAT to be back in the Dome (-: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nature support is when Santa brings you this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_4xHIqU4t8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
thanks for your insights, Susan I agree with you on this. I love it when I have that in the flow experience. Being a former athlete, sometimes I call it being in the zone. Same difference. Yeah, I appreciate that phrase the thoughts are just there. Definitely my experience more and more. From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not THAT any! Had any support of Nature lately? Emily asked about support of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled. Realized that I tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for our growth or for our enjoyment. I'd add that ideally everything is for both growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the enjoyment direction. So in this very broad sense support of Nature is always happening. Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of Nature. What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs? Very especially you former TTC teachers. We know who you are! For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday and the first big snow of the season arrived the next day. But I bet you very creative FFLers can come up with way more fun examples than that (-: I have had some experiences where what I was thinking or expecting actually happened in a woo woo ish way. And times when it felt scarily as if I could control situations with my quiet thoughts (not mentally ill). But what I think was going on was that my own thoughts had aligned with what was to be, with Nature. It was not that Nature aligned with my intentions and wishes. The experience was that the only thoughts that arose were those that on some very quiet level were really just a reflection of the flow of events already set in motion. I had tuned in to That. It kind of felt as if I was moving things, but I seriously doubt it, since there were not many thoughts and they did not have the usual feel that I was controlling them. The thoughts just were there. I think when most fo the time things happen that we feel are good luck or suport of Nature, it is just a nice intersection of events that would happen anyway coinciding with our own patterns. Gotta hit the gym.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
What makes you think that people are wasting an opportunity? I don't know about everyone on this forum, but as for mei'm still meditating. I'm pretty sure most people on this forum still meditate, some of which have adopted other forms of meditation instead. Perhaps they're not in Fairfield, and if so, not in the dome. And I don't believe it's a one way street on that either, that they abandoned the domes. In many cases people were banned from the domes from what i've heard. Besides, meditation isn't the only practice that develops our consciousness. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: You are wasting your time Buck, most of your readers have to drop the body before they realize they wasted the opportunity this time around and have to spend perhaps hundreds of years before they get another chance in a new body - pearls before swine...
[FairfieldLife] Too dogs dyening?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=EVwlMVYqMu4
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Your post is almost identical to what i've pretty much said, just in different words. I expressed that many spiritual groups, the TMO especially, are simply mild-natured people. This age of Kali Yuga (if that's what we're in) is pretty much kicking their ass. And instead of strengthening themselves to handle these times, they create fantasies of a new dawn, a new age, a new time where all these difficulties will just disappear. That's interesting what you say about the Sat-Yuga of the past in comparison to Kali-Yuga today. Many people are always explaining a time in the past where everything was perfect, and all loyal followers would go to heavenwith the exception of the faithful Sita of course. Same thing in the Mahabharata where Arjunas brothers went to hell, while Durodhana went to heaven. Yudhistira was rather confused. My theory is that going to heaven isn't as simple of a process as blindly following someone else's guidance or path. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Seems to me that God ordains Kali Yuga as righteous. Don't see God cutting it short. If God's happy with the world going into abject evil, then so should we all be. This IS Heaven -- what else to call being inside God's mind (holodeck) as an object of His consciousness? God is experimenting with increasingly darker personalities to see what happens when there is but a speck of divine left in people. IT'S FUN! Just like when you or I watch a monster movie -- we'd be pissed if the monster came off as not believable. We want Boris Karloff to scare us! If it hurts to live in these days, great -- rapid evolution, rapid letting go of doership. Remember what Maharishi said when asked by the crime rate increased? He said, the criminals are now killing the criminals -- something like that. And that's proof that no matter what we are experiencing, there will always be someone trying to convince us it's perfection itself. And note, in a happier age, Rama walked into Heaven with, say, 50,000 of his followers -- except for Sita -- Sita was sent to Hell instead merely because she was suspected of having been raped by Ravana. Doesn't seem to me that a perfect personality and perfect dharma protected Sita from Hell, so all bets are off when we try to guess what a mini-age-of-enlightenment would be like. And I sure don't think I've led any life as nice as Sita's life, so WHO IS ANYONE KIDDING HERE? This is about surrendering to God's imagination. Period. So if anyone wants to try to convince me that ANY age is a better age, they gots some splainin' ta do. Cuz, I'd rather have my bigass TV in Kali Yuga than be lighting another candle in Sat Yuga only to have my karma wallop me there too. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I think Susan, Post #330889 has the right idea. The world is just going to be the way it is. How we experience that determines whether our life is heaven or hell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Reflections on Dec 21
Please tell you friend's friend's friend not to hold their breath till this happens - its the same old TM Movement schtick - hanging on till the Rapture comes, always dealing in futures. Sort of like waiting for Elijah. From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Reflections on Dec 21 From the friend of a friend of a friend: Reflections on the events of Dec 12, 2012 As the Global Mother Divine director for Guatemala, I thought I’d pass on some reflections I had from the events on December 21 this year in Monte Alban. I don’t really know that much about it and certainly shouldn’t be taken as an authority. Much of this is just what I have gleaned from glimpses I have gained while trying to keep in touch with it in spare moments over the last few years. The first part is meant to be fact. I hope I’ve got all the details at least mostly right. Many of you may know most of this and more. The Mayans never actually thought that Dec 21 was going to be the end of the world. In fact, until 2010 the Mayans never even talked about the ending of their calendar at all. The Mayans are, in general, quite happy and comfortable to stay to themselves. Not many are welcome into their world and very few ever leave. So there has not been much communication of what they believe or don’t believe, until the last couple of years, with anyone. But more than a decade ago some Mayans apparently did come to the US to college here and mentioned that their calendar ended on Dec 21. They had no idea what that meant or what was going to happen after that. So the Judeo-Christian apocalyptic habit of thinking in this country turned it into the end of the world. And that concept went around the world. EVERYONE around the world, as far as I can tell from my travels and living with so many of other cultures, knew that Dec 21 was ‘The Day’. But 2 years ago, the Mayan elder who is the Prophesy Keeper and Day Keeper, Don Alejandro, did start to talk about the end of the calendar, and in order to quell the fear, he did go as public as possible with the help of new age friends through internet and travels to other countries. His message was, ‘Don’t be afraid! The world is not going to end. It is the end of the current cycle of time and the beginning of a new one.’ The ending cycle started about 5000 years ago, about the time Kali Yuga started. The thing that amazes me was that he describes it in the same way and even with the same words that Maharishi describes the new age he worked towards for so many decades. Don Alejandro said the new time will be Heaven on Earth (those words were used on the internet, at least), a time of peace and harmony, where there will be no sickness or suffering. It will be a time when people will fly through the air like clouds. The world will be without boarders, and everyone will be able to travel anywhere without passports. He described it as a beautiful new time to very much look forward to. He also predicted that the day would be like any other day, like New Years eve. A new year is beginning, but it doesn’t feel immediately any different from the old year. These are prophesies that, as I understand it, have been around for 5000 years, but have been passed on from father to son, or keeper to keeper, silently. The Mayan people didn’t even really know. No one did until 2 years ago. There is no TM Movement in Guatemala, no local teachers. Raja Louis imported two Spanish Governors to teach there a number of years ago, and they have been knocking on doors, and knocking on doors for many years, and for so long found the doors all locked. Finally they found some openings, and finally they reached the Mayan elders. I have no idea how long it took for the elders to ‘get’ what the Governors were saying, but when they finally did, the response was kind of like, ‘Come in! We’re expecting you! This TM will eliminate disharmony in collective consciousness? It will create peace? Please, tell us what to do. You can teach us to fly? All the children should learn? Yes. We will start now.” Once it started, there was no stopping it. Last July, on Guru Purnima some Mayans had learned the practice (I forget, maybe a few thousand?). But there was no inkling that it was going to turn into what it is now, 6 months later, with 8,000 students practicing yogic flying every day at the same time in Mexico and Guatemala. After the demonstration on Dec 21, a contract was signed with the Minister of Education of Mexico for 69,000 students to learn the practice. It was pretty amazing how Nature organized it. The flying block for 5,000 quite spontaneously and naturally ended on Dec 20 and that was the last day of school for the winter holidays. They wanted to have a graduation ceremony, so they decided to have it at a traditional holy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oliver Stone: US has become an Orwellian State
I saw a fuss about this recently, when the Congress recently rubber stamped the warrantless surveillance program for another five years. The thing that cracked me up was that the article included a picture of a door at an ATT switching site, to a secret room where data mining occurs. I was working on the technology to do this, in the *80's*, and I can guarantee the US Government has had the untraceable ability to tap data and voice lines since then. One of the techniques I taught to capture content, is called tunneling, or matching the template of the comm protocol you are intercepting to remove any extraneous elements. So, yeah, we...yawn...live in a police...yawn...state, and have been for the last ~30 years. Welcome to reality.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: /It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere./ http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/ Let's mock those fools who think that a surveillance state is cool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Please tell you friend's friend's friend not to hold their breath till this happens - its the same old TM Movement schtick - hanging on till the Rapture comes, always dealing in futures. Sort of like waiting for Elijah. HoE: Don Alejandro said the new time will be Heaven on Earth, a time of peace and harmony, where there will be no sickness or suffering. It will be a time when people will fly through the air like clouds. The world will be without boarders, and everyone will be able to travel anywhere without passports. He described it as a beautiful new time to very much look forward to. And there you have it. All we have to look out for is an end to suffering and people flying by thought power alone. Shouldn't be too tricky to spot. I do think they mean the world will be without borders though, as I can't see the harm in renting rooms out top people every now and again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
I haven't yet figured out the cosmic mystery of, on the one hand, my thinking that little piglets are some of the cutest creatures on the planet...and on the other, absolutely LOVING bacon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. You are wasting your time Buck, most of your readers have to drop the body before they realize they wasted the opportunity this time around and have to spend perhaps hundreds of years before they get another chance in a new body - pearls before swine...
[FairfieldLife] Surprising celebrities who meditate
http://de-mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=7ed4gkagkgnll#mail Surprising celebrities who meditate Arnold Schwarzenegger The “Terminator” and former Governor of California isn’t exactly someone we’d expect to find sitting in the lotus position. But apparently the former body builder has learned and continues to practice TM.
[FairfieldLife] Lincoln
Never has the phrase politics as usual meant as much to me as when watching Steven Spielberg's Lincoln. If we thought that the modern mudslinging and backroom dirty dealings we've gotten used to in modern politics were new, the film makes us think again. Lincoln was a straightforward, self-educated man. Like Jesus, he talked in parables and stories that almost felt like non-sequiturs, but weren't. As portrayed by Daniel Day-Lewis in what is basically an indisputably Oscar- nominated performance, he is the personification of pragmatism. He will do whatever is necessary to achieve the thing he feels that he most has to achieve during his tenure as President of the United States. That is the passage of the 13th Amendment, the one that abolished slavery. Sure, he'd kinda done that before with the Emancipation Proclamation, but then as now that was a mere executive order, and could be overturned at any time. So he wanted it made into law, so that it would outlive him. This is primarily a film about what he had to do to achieve that. It involves ALL of the dirty tricks, bribery, blackmail, and low-life thugs you associate with modern politics. But, if you were raised as an American and told to put Lincoln on a pedestal, you approach the film thinking that those are the tactics employed by his opponents, those who want to perpetuate slavery. They're not. Why we remember Abraham Lincoln's name and not theirs is that he was *better* at these tactics than his opponents were. If this sounds a little depressing, it isn't. Instead it's very real, very pragmatic, and very revealing of the real history behind a historical persona. Lincoln could easily have played it safe and postponed the vote on the 13th Amendment until after he was inaugurated. But he didn't. Oh, that Obama would have the backbone to do the right thing the way that Lincoln did. This is a very downplayed film full of downplayed acting. You don't congratulate the actors in this film for their flamboyant or over-the-top performances. Instead, you congratulate actors of the caliber of David Straithairn and Tommy Lee Jones for *keeping it in their pants*, and *underplaying* things for once. It works.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World
Thanks, Richard, this is a keeper (-: From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World Share Long: I meant Tai Chi (-: Authentic T'ai chi ch'uan is a type of Qigong that involves movement, positionng, breathing, and meditation. The main symbol of Qigong is the Dharmachakra Yantra. In Vajrayana Buddhism, the Dharmachakra represents the doctrine of enlightenment, founded by the Buddha Shakya the Muni, the first historical yogin in India. The Buddhist doctrine was introduced to China by Bodhidharma, the founder of the Chan (meditation) sect at Shaolin, of Yogacara, so-called because this Indian sect practiced dhyana (meditation) as instructed by the Buddha. Because his students spent a lot of time in sitting meditation, Bodhi Dharma developed techniques for physical conditioning- Kung Fu, which is the parent of all Qigong. In contrast to the Buddha's spiritual yoga, the Chinese communist government has banned meditation in public in China. If you are caught meditating in China you will be accused of belonging to a deviant cult, arrested and sent to prison. Belief in Buddha or enlightenment is NOT a doctrine supported by the atheistic government of China. In 1999, in response to widespread revival of old traditions of spirituality, morality, and mysticism, the Chinese government took measures to enforce control of public qigong practice, including banning groups such as Zhong Gong and Falun Gong. Qigong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong Work cited: Bodhidharma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma 'Zen Buddhism: A History, 1 - India and China' By Heinrich Dumoulin Macmillan, 1988 Those pictures of Chinese people young and old, male and female practicing qigong all together... Don't confuse Chinese government sponsored qigong with Falun Gong, the non-sectarian program of spiritual qigong. True qigong has nothing to do with mandated communist propaganda or the torture of Tibetans and other minorities. In July 1999, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) banned Falun Gong and began a nationwide crackdown and multifaceted propaganda campaign against the practice; in October 1999 it declared Falun Gong an evil cult... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
happy that you're happy (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha I can't give you any concrete examples of support of nature because...uh...it doesn't exist. What I can give you is a definition that might help you to better under- stand what's going on: Support of nature is what mood-making TMers call coincidence. Something ordinary happens, and because they want to feel important and as if something they think of as 'Nature' is rearranging things just to suit them, they project something onto the ordinary event to make it seem like *more* than coincidence. It isn't. There. Happy to have been of service. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Not THAT any! Had any support of Nature lately? Emily asked about support of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled. Realized that I tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for our growth or for our enjoyment. I'd add that ideally everything is for both growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the enjoyment direction. So in this very broad sense support of Nature is always happening. Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of Nature. What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs? Very especially you former TTC teachers. We know who you are! For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday and the first big snow of the season arrived the next day. But I bet you very creative FFLers can come up with way more fun examples than that (-:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21
that gave a good laugh! From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Please tell you friend's friend's friend not to hold their breath till this happens - its the same old TM Movement schtick - hanging on till the Rapture comes, always dealing in futures. Sort of like waiting for Elijah. HoE: Don Alejandro said the new time will be Heaven on Earth, a time of peace and harmony, where there will be no sickness or suffering. It will be a time when people will fly through the air like clouds. The world will be without boarders, and everyone will be able to travel anywhere without passports. He described it as a beautiful new time to very much look forward to. And there you have it. All we have to look out for is an end to suffering and people flying by thought power alone. Shouldn't be too tricky to spot. I do think they mean the world will be without borders though, as I can't see the harm in renting rooms out top people every now and again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lincoln
On 12/29/2012 08:55 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Never has the phrase politics as usual meant as much to me as when watching Steven Spielberg's Lincoln. If we thought that the modern mudslinging and backroom dirty dealings we've gotten used to in modern politics were new, the film makes us think again. Lincoln was a straightforward, self-educated man. Like Jesus, he talked in parables and stories that almost felt like non-sequiturs, but weren't. As portrayed by Daniel Day-Lewis in what is basically an indisputably Oscar- nominated performance, he is the personification of pragmatism. He will do whatever is necessary to achieve the thing he feels that he most has to achieve during his tenure as President of the United States. That is the passage of the 13th Amendment, the one that abolished slavery. Sure, he'd kinda done that before with the Emancipation Proclamation, but then as now that was a mere executive order, and could be overturned at any time. So he wanted it made into law, so that it would outlive him. This is primarily a film about what he had to do to achieve that. It involves ALL of the dirty tricks, bribery, blackmail, and low-life thugs you associate with modern politics. But, if you were raised as an American and told to put Lincoln on a pedestal, you approach the film thinking that those are the tactics employed by his opponents, those who want to perpetuate slavery. They're not. Why we remember Abraham Lincoln's name and not theirs is that he was *better* at these tactics than his opponents were. If this sounds a little depressing, it isn't. Instead it's very real, very pragmatic, and very revealing of the real history behind a historical persona. Lincoln could easily have played it safe and postponed the vote on the 13th Amendment until after he was inaugurated. But he didn't. Oh, that Obama would have the backbone to do the right thing the way that Lincoln did. This is a very downplayed film full of downplayed acting. You don't congratulate the actors in this film for their flamboyant or over-the-top performances. Instead, you congratulate actors of the caliber of David Straithairn and Tommy Lee Jones for *keeping it in their pants*, and *underplaying* things for once. It works. Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Buck, I don't mean to be rude herebut i'm curious as to what your age is? seekliberation Son, I'm old enough to enlist without my parents permission. -Old Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do. Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of individual lifemind, body, behavior, and society. Make haste. Time is progressive and time is upon us now. Do what you have to to come to meditation. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: O ye of small experience we do have great work to do, For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is there amidst them. Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators (as little as the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation. Love, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The important thing is that ALL of it would be achieved without ever having to resort to that horrible thing that lesser-evolved souls have to rely on to achieve their dreams, W...W...WWORK. Can't have that. TMers (being so special and all) should just be able to sit (or bounce) on their fat butts and have it all Just Happen, because...uh...they're so special and all. That W-word is for losers; they should just be able to think HOE into existence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oliver Stone: US has become an Orwellian State
Interesting because Alex Jones says that about Google and Facebook all the time but never explains the funding thing. Of course a lot folks like to claim the military influenced video games but I never saw any of them around except for a Marine reserve we had working for us as a game tester. We did when the defense budgets temporary began to become something sane have defense contractors show up peddling their technologies. There are definitely some very evil people behind our government who don't care too much for the human race. And yes we've been on to them a long, long time. For me since my high school days when I noticed things didn't quite add up with the Vietnam thing. On 12/29/2012 06:30 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: About ten years ago around here in Sili Valley, the cia announced they had established locally, either a technology incubator site or a venture capital fund, I don't recall which, to take advantage of innovations. Though it could never be proven, I suspect the big data miners, esp G FB, as having connections and possibly early funding from that branch of govt. Oddly, I always Google stuff (after disabling their tracking cookie), but closed down my FB presence a couple years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I saw a fuss about this recently, when the Congress recently rubber stamped the warrantless surveillance program for another five years. The thing that cracked me up was that the article included a picture of a door at an ATT switching site, to a secret room where data mining occurs. I was working on the technology to do this, in the *80's*, and I can guarantee the US Government has had the untraceable ability to tap data and voice lines since then. One of the techniques I taught to capture content, is called tunneling, or matching the template of the comm protocol you are intercepting to remove any extraneous elements. So, yeah, we...yawn...live in a police...yawn...state, and have been for the last ~30 years. Welcome to reality.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: /It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere./ http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/ Let's mock those fools who think that a surveillance state is cool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Don't you get tired of this Buck? Jack, I do appreciate that this is quite a serious question. I stay interested simply because I live here and how well or badly they behave up there affects the welfare of so many friends of mine whose lives are here too. Yes some of them up there in the middle with their 'pig-headed' way of going forward do certainly keep at destroying our communal capital as you have also identified it as trust. The PR numbers last week with the pundits and Mayans again show them too well. And then it is stunning too to witness still that they are actively at separating old TM movement meditators away over seeing saints even last week as we attempted to rally people back to the group meditation. These strict preservationists in the middle who have held up that ground since the 1970's will fly this airliner right in to the ground unless the passengers do something to save themselves. It is come to be a very small group now. There are not a lot of people left on board anymore either. Yet, this here is incredibly high-minded despite the pig-heads up in Vedic City who try to control it. There is still good in the world here and I still have hope for middle earth and the shire here where I live. It is worth fighting for. There is always hope. Now that said, I do know enough to see that time is growing quite short for this transformation to take. The window is closing for these TM-taliban guys to yield their position and change before it is too late. It is not like this has not happened before with other spiritual groups and revolutions just like ours. Someone on a committee about this asked me the other day what should they do based on history? Just facilitate. Be much more simple. It's about spiritual experience. Keep your people meditating and go out, apologize and ask people back simply. Before it is entirely too late. Their own name as a movement is quite bad now in the old community. They are going to have to make haste. Have to work to clean their names just to save themselves and the Teaching. Make haste. History does not bode well for them. This is not new. For instance, see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/263306 Jack, I thank you for your renewed interest. Best Regards, -Buck From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Let's make money by telling the public we can teach them to levitate. My nephews need some new Bentlys. I wouldn't mind having some good gold jewelery to festoon my latest female followers with, in private of course. Marshy Modesh Yogi Jack, So, there weren't a thousand pundits here. Or 8500 Mayans. The potential is so great and yet it is distressing that they are not making or able to make a clean break from the past when the movement hyperbole still does this stuff. What to be expected with a same people in charge around Bevan. Though it looks like even the local movement PR people themselves got had by the Latin American TM movement Mayan myth. Even out-foxed. I got told that morning with some very certainty at the Peace Palace group meditation that there were 8,000 who got on the buses that morning for the mountain there. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderators, pls. sanction this poster àThe whole purpose of life is to gain enlightenment. Nothing else is significant compared to that completely natural, exalted state of consciousness. So always strive for that. Set your life around that goal. Don't get caught up in small things, and then it will be yours. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Bad boy,nabby. *spank Bad boy. *spank. LOL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I also note that you ignored my response to merudanda's post snip I usually avoid reading your posts as I am not in favor of fellows that repeatedly puke in a public forum. Oh, stop it, Nabby. This is really STOOPID. He made a perfectly reasonable inquiry, one I might have made. And generally speaking, his complaints here aren't any more offensively phrased than most here and are considerably less offensive than some. If you have a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Too dogs dyening?
Nice card...(wide smile) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=EVwlMVYqMu4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The reincarnation of Lincoln lives in Washington DC and works for the government. I wouldn't be too surprised if Scorsese, being a longtime meditator, interviewed him privately.
[FairfieldLife] Qantas fun
After every flight, Qantas pilots fill out a form, called a 'Gripe Sheet' that tells mechanics about problems with the aircraft. The mechanics correct the problems; document their repairs on the form, and then pilots review the Gripe Sheets before the next flight. Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humour. Here are some actual maintenance complaints submitted by Qantas' pilots (marked with a P) and the solutions recorded (marked with an (S) by maintenance engineers. By the way, Qantas is the only major airline that has never, ever, had an accident. P: Left inside main tyre almost needs replacement. S: Almost replaced left inside main tyre. P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough. S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft. P: Something loose in cockpit. S: Something tightened in cockpit. P: Dead bugs on windshield. S: Live bugs on back-order. P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent. S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground. P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. S: Evidence removed. P: DME volume unbelievably loud. S: DME volume set to more believable level. P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. S: That's what friction locks are for. P: IFF inoperative in OFF mode. S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. P: Suspected crack in windshield. S: Suspect you're right. P: Number 3 engine missing. S: Engine found on right wing after brief search. P: Aircraft handles funny S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious. P: Target radar hums. S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics. P: Mouse in cockpit. S: Cat installed. And the best one for last.. P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on something with a hammer. S: Took hammer away from midget.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Gemini guy (-: From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? I haven't yet figured out the cosmic mystery of, on the one hand, my thinking that little piglets are some of the cutest creatures on the planet...and on the other, absolutely LOVING bacon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. You are wasting your time Buck, most of your readers have to drop the body before they realize they wasted the opportunity this time around and have to spend perhaps hundreds of years before they get another chance in a new body - pearls before swine...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] A Film I'm Looking Forward To
The first on the list of films I actually find myself in anticipation of has to be Seven Psychopaths. No, *not* that I'm looking for company, as some here might suggest. :-) It's because it's the latest film from Martin McDonagh. Who, you ask? Martin is the director of In Bruges, arguably one of the best films produced in the last decade. Martin is technically English, but he has come to personify the Irish Sense Of Humor onscreen. When In Bruges started to show up in reviews as one of the best films of the year, he was often described in those reviews as Oscar-winning Martin McDonagh. Like most here, I reacted to that line with a hearty WTF? I'd never heard of him before. Turns out he had previously won an Oscar for Best Short Film, Live Action in 2004 for a little gem called Six Shooter. Here, for those with a taste for Black Humor, of which the most black is Irish Black Humor, is a link to Six Shooter. Be warned. It is a 27-minute film about a guy (played by the great Brendan Gleeson) having the Worst Day In History. People lately have been talking about support of nature. The protagonist in Six Shooter is basically being crapped on by nature. http://vimeo.com/2298743 Anyway, when this guy comes out with a new film, I pay attention. His new one is called Seven Psychopaths, and stars people like Michael Pitt, Sam Rockwell, Colin Farrell, Abbie Cornish, Christopher Walken, Harry Dean Stanton, and Woody Harrelson. The plot summary shown in IMDB for this film is A struggling screenwriter inadvertently becomes entangled in the Los Angeles criminal underworld after his oddball friends kidnap a gangster's beloved Shih Tzu. The tag line for the film is They Won't Take Any Shih Tzu. I am SO first in line for this one. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what i've read from your posts, i'm convinced that neither of us really know in depth the process of souls incarnating in this world and the reason why ignorant and undeveloped souls are sent here. From what little I do know, All religions teach that our consciousness has to be fully developed for HoE to be a reality, just like you say. But that's the problem. From what i've learned, the reason we're incarnated here is BECAUSE our consciousness ISN'T fully awake. If our consciousness was fully awake, we wouldn't be here. It's just like a prison, if someone wasn't a criminal, they wouldn't be there. So creating a perfect prison is futile. Only Hinduism seems to contain the information of how and why our souls are incarnated here, and i'm convinced that Hinduism has branched off enough to where the information is very diluted. Western (Abrahamic) religions fall very short of understanding this cycle of birth and death (they believe life is a one-shot deal, heaven or hell, etc..). Bhuddism contains only the bare essentials to reach CC. Therefore, we have only fragmented ideas of perfection that are entirely out of context with the big picture of our soul's situation here on earth. What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that they are a lot of the nicest people i've ever met, but they are very mild. They have to limit their experiences in life to mild experiences. The really deep and heavy experiences that help lead to our consciousness becoming fully awake.they tend to avoid. Then they use their supreme logic to label those experiences as being negative or ignorant. As a result, their consciousness doesn't become fully awake, and the possibility of HoE is null. The whole reason of creating this post in the first place anyway, was because i'm convinced that the conception of HoE that exists in the TMO is a reality that is not achievable, particularly in this lifetime (unless the HoE concept is different from what I perceived). I am convinced that the concept of HoE in the TMO is a paradigm that is based on limiting our experiences only to what we can already handle, which is very limited in terms of the full spectrum of life which our creator expects us to become accustomed to. Before the TM movement got really going and became the weird 'TMO' of today, and before the teaching became more bizarre, it was originally in many ways more in line with other traditions in the expression what enlightenment is. MMY said in the 1960s that 'The attainment of union is often described as the expansion of consciousness, but consciousness, as consciousness, never expands. The individual mind expands and in expanding becomes pure consciousness. So expansion of consciousness is really a contradiction in terms. Consciousness is already universal and and absolute and cannot expand, but the abilities of the mind can expand...' It is that processing unit in our head that messes things up. It interprets raw experience and manufactures representations of it which we then think are 'true'. That we think these representations are real, is what is real, is the part that is called 'ignorance'. There is a sliding scale of utility to our thoughts. The mind is a tool for getting around in the world. The representations and manipulations of the mind can be very useful. It can enable us to know where and how to put food in our face. Its main drawback is the way it gets programmed when we grow up creates the idea we are an individual 'person' that is distinct and real in comparison to the other representations of the world it creates, and that those other representations are also distinct entities in the field of experience. This cracks the unity of raw experience into fragments, which the mind interprets as reality. Processes like transcendental deep meditation (as MMY called it early on), mindfulness meditation in various forms, contemplation in various forms, and sometimes even concentration in various forms are methods for attempting to reset the mind to a more pristine state by undoing the formation of the boundaries that have already occurred. This does not mean the mind becomes a mush of indistinction as a result. We still can remember the boundries. But we no longer think of them as reality. The entire field of experience in aggregate is taken as reality, and the fragmentation is seen as arbitrary, but with utility. The sense of our individuality is a mental process, not an entity. The mistake is we assume this process of the mind is an entity. It makes other mistaken interpretations of experience in the same way. For example the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the energy or essence of the purity of consciousness that is supposedly expressed by the enlightened or near enlightened? How do you account for people like Mark Landau and Rory Goff who report what many would feel are fabulous experience of awareness in essence falling back to a normal waking state of consciousness? I have gotten to the point that I think even just the plain old TM technique doesn't do what it is hyped to do - just my opinion. But I think it is a valid and necessary step to look at the results of a technique or practice in those who do it. The TMO consistently says this is the glory to come, pay no attention to what reality actually is, pay attention to what we SAY reality is. They have always dealt in futures and never delivered promised results. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what i've read from your posts, i'm convinced that neither of us really know in depth the process of souls incarnating in this world and the reason why ignorant and undeveloped souls are sent here. From what little I do know, All religions teach that our consciousness has to be fully developed for HoE to be a reality, just like you say. But that's the problem. From what i've learned, the reason we're incarnated here is BECAUSE our consciousness ISN'T fully awake. If our consciousness was fully awake, we wouldn't be here. It's just like a prison, if someone wasn't a criminal, they wouldn't be there. So creating a perfect prison is futile. Only Hinduism seems to contain the information of how and why our souls are incarnated here, and i'm convinced that Hinduism has branched off enough to where the information is very diluted. Western (Abrahamic) religions fall very short of understanding this cycle of birth and death (they believe life is a one-shot deal, heaven or hell, etc..). Bhuddism contains only the bare essentials to reach CC. Therefore, we have only fragmented ideas of perfection that are entirely out of context with the big picture of our soul's situation here on earth. What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that they are a lot of the nicest people i've ever met, but they are very mild. They have to limit their experiences in life to mild experiences. The really deep and heavy experiences that help lead to our consciousness becoming fully awake.they tend to avoid. Then they use their supreme logic to label those experiences as being negative or ignorant. As a result, their consciousness doesn't become fully awake, and the possibility of HoE is null. The whole reason of creating this post in the first place anyway, was because i'm convinced that the conception of HoE that exists in the TMO is a reality that is not achievable, particularly in this lifetime (unless the HoE concept is different from what I perceived). I am convinced that the concept of HoE in the TMO is a paradigm that is based on limiting our experiences only to what we can already handle, which is very limited in terms of the full spectrum of life which our creator expects us to become accustomed to. Before the TM movement got really going and became the weird 'TMO' of today, and before the teaching became more bizarre, it was originally in many ways more in line with other traditions in the expression what enlightenment is. MMY said in the 1960s that 'The attainment of union is often described as the expansion of consciousness, but consciousness, as consciousness, never expands. The individual mind expands and in expanding becomes pure consciousness. So expansion of consciousness is really a contradiction in terms. Consciousness is already universal and and absolute and cannot expand, but the abilities of the mind can expand...' It is that processing unit in our head that messes things up. It interprets raw experience and manufactures representations of it which we then think are 'true'. That we think these representations are real, is what is real, is the part that is called 'ignorance'. There is a sliding scale of utility to our thoughts. The mind is a tool for getting around in the world. The representations and manipulations of the mind can be very useful. It can enable us to know where and how to put food in our face.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The Dark Knight Rises was shot in multiple formats. Here is a discussion: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425159/the-dark-knight-rises-blu-ray-aspect-ratio Follow the discussion, the first post starts it off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what i've read from your posts, i'm convinced that neither of us really know in depth the process of souls incarnating in this world and the reason why ignorant and undeveloped souls are sent here. From what little I do know, All religions teach that our consciousness has to be fully developed for HoE to be a reality, just like you say. But that's the problem. From what i've learned, the reason we're incarnated here is BECAUSE our consciousness ISN'T fully awake. If our consciousness was fully awake, we wouldn't be here. It's just like a prison, if someone wasn't a criminal, they wouldn't be there. So creating a perfect prison is futile. Only Hinduism seems to contain the information of how and why our souls are incarnated here, and i'm convinced that Hinduism has branched off enough to where the information is very diluted. Western (Abrahamic) religions fall very short of understanding this cycle of birth and death (they believe life is a one-shot deal, heaven or hell, etc..). Bhuddism contains only the bare essentials to reach CC. Therefore, we have only fragmented ideas of perfection that are entirely out of context with the big picture of our soul's situation here on earth. What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that they are a lot of the nicest people i've ever met, but they are very mild. They have to limit their experiences in life to mild experiences. The really deep and heavy experiences that help lead to our consciousness becoming fully awake.they tend to avoid. Then they use their supreme logic to label those experiences as being negative or ignorant. As a result, their consciousness doesn't become fully awake, and the possibility of HoE is null. The whole reason of creating this post in the first place anyway, was because i'm convinced that the conception of HoE that exists in the TMO is a reality that is not achievable, particularly in this lifetime (unless the HoE concept is different from what I perceived). I am convinced that the concept of HoE in the TMO is a paradigm that is based on limiting our experiences only to what we can already handle, which is very limited in terms of the full spectrum of life which our creator expects us to become accustomed to. Before the TM movement got really going and became the weird 'TMO' of today, and before the teaching became more bizarre, it was originally in many ways more in line with other traditions in the expression what enlightenment is. MMY said in the 1960s that 'The attainment of union is often described as the expansion of consciousness, but consciousness, as consciousness, never expands. The individual mind expands and in expanding becomes pure consciousness. So expansion of consciousness is really a contradiction in terms. Consciousness is already universal and and absolute and cannot expand, but the abilities of the mind can expand...' It is that processing unit in our head that messes things up. It interprets raw experience and manufactures representations of it which we then think are 'true'. That we think these representations are real, is what is real, is the part that is called 'ignorance'. There is a sliding scale of utility to our thoughts. The mind is a tool for getting around in the world. The representations and manipulations of the mind can be very useful. It can enable us to know where and how to put food in our face. Its main drawback is the way it gets programmed when we grow up creates the idea we are an individual 'person' that is distinct and real in comparison to the other representations of the world it creates, and that those other representations are also distinct entities in the field of experience. This cracks the unity of raw experience into fragments, which the mind interprets as reality. Processes like transcendental deep meditation (as MMY called it early on), mindfulness meditation in various forms, contemplation in various forms, and sometimes even concentration in various forms are methods for attempting to reset the mind to a more pristine state by undoing the formation of the boundaries that have already occurred. This does not mean the mind becomes a mush of indistinction as a result. We still can remember the boundries. But we no longer think of them as reality. The entire field of experience in aggregate is taken as reality, and the fragmentation is seen as arbitrary, but with utility. The sense of our individuality is a mental process,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
On 12/29/2012 11:53 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The Dark Knight Rises was shot in multiple formats. Here is a discussion: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425159/the-dark-knight-rises-blu-ray-aspect-ratio Follow the discussion, the first post starts it off. As they mentioned switching formats in a film has been done before. Question is how was it shown in theaters? If this is what Nolan wanted he forgot that home watchers would think that their disc version was less than what they would have seen in theaters. IMAX is really nothing more than a marketing thing. I've never found it that much more spectacular (I'm sure there will be a lot of disagreement). I would have left the disc entirely in 2:35:1 or scope which as the discussion points out the scope aspect ratio can vary a bit but differences negligible. There was at least one LCD panel by Phillips that was 21:9 (has a mathematical relationship to 1:77:1 or 16:9) and my editing software has a setting for it too. Unless shot with an anamorphic lens scope is usually a matted full frame. Don't have time right now to get into the whole discussion on AVS Forum and finding the American Cinematographer article might be a quicker read. I used to read that magazine when I was a kid.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the energy or essence of the purity of consciousness that is supposedly expressed by the enlightened or near enlightened? How do you account for people like Mark Landau and Rory Goff who report what many would feel are fabulous experience of awareness in essence falling back to a normal waking state of consciousness? I have gotten to the point that I think even just the plain old TM technique doesn't do what it is hyped to do - just my opinion. But I think it is a valid and necessary step to look at the results of a technique or practice in those who do it. The TMO consistently says this is the glory to come, pay no attention to what reality actually is, pay attention to what we SAY reality is. They have always dealt in futures and never delivered promised results. That certainly is a valid criticism. Coming across an 'awakened' TM meditator seems very rare. It seems like those that wake up in a rather short time are those that throw their entire lives into it, and do not sit around waiting for enlightenment to be done for them. These people are curious, they question what is happening in the process all the time, and do not assume it will automatically happen, even if somehow this is the way it actually happens. For example if you focus on getting the experience of transcendental consciousness, and that is it, you are aiming at the bottom of the barrel of enlightenment. Aim for unity right from the start. What is it? Why should I go for it? What do you have to do or not do to get there? Is this the only way? A religion tries to keep you in a straight jacket so you do not vary from the path. But there really is not path. If you are hiking, you can step off the trail and see what happens. I think an experimental attitude is needed. What if things do not seem to be happening. What would happen if I meditated longer? Try and see what happens. I did that and initially the results were not so good. But later on I found I could meditate for much longer times without any ill effect. Things that did not work, I dropped. Spiritual movements tend to have a lot of magical thinking, but it is nuts and bolts thinking that get things done in the world. It seems as if those that end up running a spiritual movement after the 'master' dies (and in some movement when the master is still around) are the ones that like to bask in the glow of the master's presence rather than their own being (not the ego, I should add). You need a certain amount of autonomy - self respect, and self reliance. This is eschewed in hierarchical movements. Being is everywhere the same, no one owns it. It is totally without ownership, so anyone can have it, since from the beginning they do have it. There are no levels to it. We all have some screws loose somewhere in our lives, these are the things that inhibit us in this search. Some of us have lots more loose screws than others. Maybe they gather at the top of the hierarchy, where desire for power and control is given the greatest opportunity for expression. If you look at the technique of TM, and at some mindfulness techniques, the process is to minimise control, to let go as much as possible, finding a way to let go rather than hold on. A spiritual movement, by simply the desire to persist inevitably invites the exact opposite value to that of letting go. It is doomed from the beginning, so to get value from a spiritual movement, you have to get in on its initial surge, and then, probably, get out. And keep seeking as long as the desire to seek persists. Keep curious. I made the mistake of too blindly following recommended instructions for too long. Now, if a person is very innocent and devoted, they might make the 'journey' quickly. I think people like that are kind of rare. There is usually a mix of devotion and ambition and other qualities that make for a really bumpy ride. Once, I was on the MIU campus, and there was an open office door, and two administrators were talking about shakeups in the movement. They were discussing they did not want to be 'left behind', they wanted to at least maintain their position in the movement, or get even a higher position. Some people gravitate to this kind of authority and some do not, but I think those who do are not necessarily about letting go. There is holding on to something. We all have this tendency, but in spirituality, it tends to inhibit rather than promote our progress if it persists too long. Enlightenment is not a future event. The future is never now. Wearing down this anticipation is one of the reasons meditation, the kinds of meditation that foster letting go, help with. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
If I had a pet, it would be an alligator or crocodile - have always been fascinated with them, though I ate alligator exactly once - no real flavor, probably needs garlic...:-) Fish, shellfish, beef and pork - ! Though to be honest I eat it maybe once a week - protein drinks and cheese are my favorite entrees. Fowl, nope. Not sure why - I lost my taste for chicken, turkey, anything with feathers, altogether. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I haven't yet figured out the cosmic mystery of, on the one hand, my thinking that little piglets are some of the cutest creatures on the planet...and on the other, absolutely LOVING bacon! Hee, hee you are funny. They are some of the cutest/homeliest baby creatures along with baby rhinos and baby armadillos that I know. They make pretty good pets if you get the pygmy varieties. They are active and smart, can be house trained. Fortunately I don't eat pigs or cows so I don't feel too guilty when I look at them in the face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside your fear. You are wasting your time Buck, most of your readers have to drop the body before they realize they wasted the opportunity this time around and have to spend perhaps hundreds of years before they get another chance in a new body - pearls before swine...
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the energy or essence of the purity of consciousness that is supposedly expressed by the enlightened or near enlightened? How do you account for people like Mark Landau and Rory Goff who report what many would feel are fabulous experience of awareness in essence falling back to a normal waking state of consciousness? I have gotten to the point that I think even just the plain old TM technique doesn't do what it is hyped to do - just my opinion. But I think it is a valid and necessary step to look at the results of a technique or practice in those who do it. The TMO consistently says this is the glory to come, pay no attention to what reality actually is, pay attention to what we SAY reality is. They have always dealt in futures and never delivered promised results. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what i've read from your posts, i'm convinced that neither of us really know in depth the process of souls incarnating in this world and the reason why ignorant and undeveloped souls are sent here. From what little I do know, All religions teach that our consciousness has to be fully developed for HoE to be a reality, just like you say. But that's the problem. From what i've learned, the reason we're incarnated here is BECAUSE our consciousness ISN'T fully awake. If our consciousness was fully awake, we wouldn't be here. It's just like a prison, if someone wasn't a criminal, they wouldn't be there. So creating a perfect prison is futile. Only Hinduism seems to contain the information of how and why our souls are incarnated here, and i'm convinced that Hinduism has branched off enough to where the information is very diluted. Western (Abrahamic) religions fall very short of understanding this cycle of birth and death (they believe life is a one-shot deal, heaven or hell, etc..). Bhuddism contains only the bare essentials to reach CC. Therefore, we have only fragmented ideas of perfection that are entirely out of context with the big picture of our soul's situation here on earth. What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that they are a lot of the nicest people i've ever met, but they are very mild. They have to limit their experiences in life to mild experiences. The really deep and heavy experiences that help lead to our consciousness becoming fully awake.they tend to avoid. Then they use their supreme logic to label those experiences as being negative or ignorant. As a result, their consciousness doesn't become fully awake, and the possibility of HoE is null. The whole reason of creating this post in the first place anyway, was because i'm convinced that the conception of HoE that exists in the TMO is a reality that is not achievable, particularly in this lifetime (unless the HoE concept is different from what I perceived). I am convinced that the concept of HoE in the TMO is a paradigm that is based on limiting our experiences only to what we can already handle, which is very limited in terms of the full spectrum of life which our creator expects us to become accustomed to. Before the TM movement got really going and became the weird 'TMO' of today, and before the teaching became more bizarre, it was originally in many ways more in line with other traditions in the expression what enlightenment is. MMY said in the 1960s that 'The attainment of union is often described as the expansion of consciousness, but consciousness, as consciousness, never expands. The individual mind expands and in expanding becomes pure consciousness. So expansion of consciousness is really a contradiction in terms. Consciousness is already universal and and absolute and cannot expand, but the abilities of the mind can expand...' It is that processing unit in our head that messes things up. It interprets raw experience and manufactures representations of it which we then think are 'true'. That we think these representations are real, is what is real, is the part that is called 'ignorance'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Leadership and the Dome Numbers Cliff.. So, who is responsible for the really poor community numbers in the Domes? Saha Nav Hah! http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck Well, pretty clearly it is Bevan and Maharishi. A lot of people gone. Like, look back at the earliest posts on FFL. Their contending with the trust of the larger meditating community goes way back. Threads going back even to the 1980's. Going to have to over-throw them to save the Domes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Stop. Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread: That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not 'entertain negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any debate. And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction. I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points below: Going forward, The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to change Four things: Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business' and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least get out of the way. With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation, http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ -Buck This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today: Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors, First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built. This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the trouble they have caused. -Buck The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue. These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue. The mission: The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world. http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/ Dateline Spiritual Fairfield, A Hurt Community. In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to the Domes. The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like I ain't going to go to the Dome no more. Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help out with the numbers. I spoke with someone this weekend at
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Please tell you friend's friend's friend not to hold their breath till this happens - its the same old TM Movement schtick - hanging on till the Rapture comes, always dealing in futures. Sort of like waiting for Elijah. HoE: Don Alejandro said the new time will be Heaven on Earth, a time of peace and harmony, where there will be no sickness or suffering. It will be a time when people will fly through the air like clouds. The world will be without boarders, and everyone will be able to travel anywhere without passports. He described it as a beautiful new time to very much look forward to. And there you have it. All we have to look out for is an end to suffering and people flying by thought power alone. Shouldn't be too tricky to spot. http://youtu.be/_8TqKYKJ_tU I do think they mean the world will be without borders though, as I can't see the harm in renting rooms out top people every now and again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
I am Sarah Connor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Your post is almost identical to what i've pretty much said, just in different words. I expressed that many spiritual groups, the TMO especially, are simply mild-natured people. This age of Kali Yuga (if that's what we're in) is pretty much kicking their ass. And instead of strengthening themselves to handle these times, they create fantasies of a new dawn, a new age, a new time where all these difficulties will just disappear. That's interesting what you say about the Sat-Yuga of the past in comparison to Kali-Yuga today. Many people are always explaining a time in the past where everything was perfect, and all loyal followers would go to heavenwith the exception of the faithful Sita of course. Same thing in the Mahabharata where Arjunas brothers went to hell, while Durodhana went to heaven. Yudhistira was rather confused. My theory is that going to heaven isn't as simple of a process as blindly following someone else's guidance or path. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Seems to me that God ordains Kali Yuga as righteous. Don't see God cutting it short. If God's happy with the world going into abject evil, then so should we all be. This IS Heaven -- what else to call being inside God's mind (holodeck) as an object of His consciousness? God is experimenting with increasingly darker personalities to see what happens when there is but a speck of divine left in people. IT'S FUN! Just like when you or I watch a monster movie -- we'd be pissed if the monster came off as not believable. We want Boris Karloff to scare us! If it hurts to live in these days, great -- rapid evolution, rapid letting go of doership. Remember what Maharishi said when asked by the crime rate increased? He said, the criminals are now killing the criminals -- something like that. And that's proof that no matter what we are experiencing, there will always be someone trying to convince us it's perfection itself. And note, in a happier age, Rama walked into Heaven with, say, 50,000 of his followers -- except for Sita -- Sita was sent to Hell instead merely because she was suspected of having been raped by Ravana. Doesn't seem to me that a perfect personality and perfect dharma protected Sita from Hell, so all bets are off when we try to guess what a mini-age-of-enlightenment would be like. And I sure don't think I've led any life as nice as Sita's life, so WHO IS ANYONE KIDDING HERE? This is about surrendering to God's imagination. Period. So if anyone wants to try to convince me that ANY age is a better age, they gots some splainin' ta do. Cuz, I'd rather have my bigass TV in Kali Yuga than be lighting another candle in Sat Yuga only to have my karma wallop me there too. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I think Susan, Post #330889 has the right idea. The world is just going to be the way it is. How we experience that determines whether our life is heaven or hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: I am Sarah Connor. Fight on, Sista Obba. The evil robots from FFLife's future need a serious arse-whupping. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Your post is almost identical to what i've pretty much said, just in different words. I expressed that many spiritual groups, the TMO especially, are simply mild-natured people. This age of Kali Yuga (if that's what we're in) is pretty much kicking their ass. And instead of strengthening themselves to handle these times, they create fantasies of a new dawn, a new age, a new time where all these difficulties will just disappear. That's interesting what you say about the Sat-Yuga of the past in comparison to Kali-Yuga today. Many people are always explaining a time in the past where everything was perfect, and all loyal followers would go to heavenwith the exception of the faithful Sita of course. Same thing in the Mahabharata where Arjunas brothers went to hell, while Durodhana went to heaven. Yudhistira was rather confused. My theory is that going to heaven isn't as simple of a process as blindly following someone else's guidance or path. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Seems to me that God ordains Kali Yuga as righteous. Don't see God cutting it short. If God's happy with the world going into abject evil, then so should we all be. This IS Heaven -- what else to call being inside God's mind (holodeck) as an object of His consciousness? God is experimenting with increasingly darker personalities to see what happens when there is but a speck of divine left in people. IT'S FUN! Just like when you or I watch a monster movie -- we'd be pissed if the monster came off as not believable. We want Boris Karloff to scare us! If it hurts to live in these days, great -- rapid evolution, rapid letting go of doership. Remember what Maharishi said when asked by the crime rate increased? He said, the criminals are now killing the criminals -- something like that. And that's proof that no matter what we are experiencing, there will always be someone trying to convince us it's perfection itself. And note, in a happier age, Rama walked into Heaven with, say, 50,000 of his followers -- except for Sita -- Sita was sent to Hell instead merely because she was suspected of having been raped by Ravana. Doesn't seem to me that a perfect personality and perfect dharma protected Sita from Hell, so all bets are off when we try to guess what a mini-age-of-enlightenment would be like. And I sure don't think I've led any life as nice as Sita's life, so WHO IS ANYONE KIDDING HERE? This is about surrendering to God's imagination. Period. So if anyone wants to try to convince me that ANY age is a better age, they gots some splainin' ta do. Cuz, I'd rather have my bigass TV in Kali Yuga than be lighting another candle in Sat Yuga only to have my karma wallop me there too. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I think Susan, Post #330889 has the right idea. The world is just going to be the way it is. How we experience that determines whether our life is heaven or hell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21
Six Feet Under was one of my favorite all time series. Brilliant. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Please tell you friend's friend's friend not to hold their breath till this happens - its the same old TM Movement schtick - hanging on till the Rapture comes, always dealing in futures. Sort of like waiting for Elijah. HoE: Don Alejandro said the new time will be Heaven on Earth, a time of peace and harmony, where there will be no sickness or suffering. It will be a time when people will fly through the air like clouds. The world will be without boarders, and everyone will be able to travel anywhere without passports. He described it as a beautiful new time to very much look forward to. And there you have it. All we have to look out for is an end to suffering and people flying by thought power alone. Shouldn't be too tricky to spot. http://youtu.be/_8TqKYKJ_tU I do think they mean the world will be without borders though, as I can't see the harm in renting rooms out top people every now and again.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck ,snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly! A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue- This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle. [excerpts:] The indictment against Haig and his pigheaded insistence of fighting Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. Churchill dryly points out, hopes of decisive victory grew With every step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the Intelligence Department. If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it. A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig wore down alike the manhood and the guns of the British army almost to destruction. Keegan is also merciless: On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the slough of despond. Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, To persist in this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness on the part of Haig. This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
You wrote a lot of words, but you did not answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Oh come one, you know this, but if you must ask here goes: 1 - TM reality - Enlightenment in 3 - 6 years      Real Reality â No one we know of has ever gotten enlightened through practicing TM, except Robin and Andy Rhymer according to Marsh-E.  2 - TM Reality â Relationship of body and akasha, Lightness of cotton fibers properly practiced will enable you to levitate  Real Reality â In 38 years of sidhi practice, no one has EVER levitated ( hopping is hopping, not levitation)  3 - TM Reality â Group practice of the âyogic flyingâ will create peace on earth  Real Reality â War and rumors of war are more prevalent now than when Marshy started the sidhi con game  4 - TM Reality â Group practice of the TM Sidhi programme will result in demonstrable amazing results to create peace and coherence in the geographical location where the flying group is located  Real Reality â In 38 years of group flying no results have been made manifest that are truly incontrovertible. I mean come on, people are not fucking idiots. If it were demonstrated that group practice could create peace, the smaller countries would have every goddamn man, woman and child over the age of 13 doing the practice â the larger countries might not want to since they make so much money off war, but the small countries would all be people by sidhas and rising sidhas.  5 - TM Reality â Practice of TM makes people more efficient, more effective in their jobs  Real Reality â As has been recently discussed, the people who work in the Movement itself have been notorious for decades for their sloth, incompetence and inefficiency. Any of us who ever called the âCourse Officeâ years ago to get on a rounding course can attest to this manifestation of the opposite effect of what was promised from daily TM practice.  6 - TM Reality â Daily practice of TM does not require any lifestyle changes  Real Reality â People who get into TM are highly encouraged to engage in increasingly restrictive, bizarre and utterly absurd lifestyle changes â i.e. â one has to be celibate even if married or they canât get enlightened, canât go through a south facing entrance, have to have yagyas for health, etc., and the list goes on and on  7 â TM Reality - Practice of sannyama on friendliness, happiness and compassion develops the qualities to a great degree  Real Reality â The behavior of the TM leaders and mid to low level managers makes that promise an obvious lie since nearly all of these guys demonstrate a high degree of arrogance, inflexibility and an obvious lack of the fundamentals of decent human interaction.  8 â TM Reality â The monies donated to the Movement will be used to create various projects, buildings and groups  Real Reality â Most if not all such projects disappear after a year or two and then Marsh â E would hit everyone up for a more important project, not ever mentioning where the money for the previous project went.  9 â TM Reality - Scientific research has shown the overwhelming evidence of the benefits of the practice of TM and the TM Sidhi programmes.  Real Reality â Most scientists ignore such tripe as tripe and the ones who do look at the studies have real problems with them.  10 â TM Reality - England was denounced as a scorpion nation for supporting America in the Iraq war. TM teachers were told to stop teaching TM in England and to leave England and teach elsewhere.  Real Reality â In addition to being incredibly insensitive to the TM teachers in England, asking or more like ordering them to pick up stakes, move their families, uproot their kids and close their businesses if they had them, one wonders why Marsh-E didnât inundate the country with yogic flyers to bring overwhelming positive energy and enliven the home of all the laws of nature in England?  Either the sidhis donât actually create the positive energy he always claimed , or the son of a bitch just felt spiteful that day. One also wonders why he didnât sanction America since we started the war to begin with - I imagine his kin folk didnât want him screwing around with the American TM cash cow. But I actually sort of give him a free pass on this one since I am convinced he was already showing signs of senility when he made this insane pronouncement.  11 â TM Reality â Living in a house built according to MAHARISHI vastu veda will result in all goods things happening to the home dwellers and they will live a happy, healthy, balanced prosperous life.  Real Reality â I have mainly Rickâs post to rely on here but the word is that there are plenty of divorces, illnesses, financial problems and relationship difficulties in those
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is? It's all in the heads of spiritually lazy and (therefore) disappointed posters here who loves to have someone ELSE to blame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is? It's all in the heads of spiritually lazy and (therefore) disappointed posters here who loves to have someone ELSE to blame. Even if you don't like or agree with what MJ has to say you have to give him this: he is consistent in his viewpoint, spent enough time around MIU and the movement to be qualified to say his piece and finally, that he is a fighter with lots of gumption. He knows what he says will not change anyone's mind, he knows he will be censured for his viewpoints but he is willing to get out there and present them anyway. That counts for a lot in my book whether I agree with MJ or not. I admire his spirit and his willingness to come under fire irrespective of his viewpoints. Quality of the human being first, what he believes second.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World
It's also about half crap - Richard doesn't know what he's writing about when it comes to chi gung. A little research will show that most of what he wrote here is incorrect - I suspect as others have accused, Richard gets his info from wikipedia. Kung fu is certainly not the parent of qi gong. Chi gung's origins go back to 3 or 4 thousand years and has had at least 4 distinct periods. The origins of qi gong PRE-DATE the birth of Lao Tsu who was the founder of Taoism. He was born around 590 BC. The Taoist phase of qi gong is the first recognized phase of the art. Then came the Buddhist phase that began somewhere around 100 AD or later. Here is a quote from this web site: http://www.easternmartialarts.com/kungfu_history.htm According to one of the oldest books Deng Feng County Recording (Deng Feng Xian Zhi), a Buddhist monk name Batuo, came to China for Buddhist preaching in 464 A.D. Deng Feng was the county where the Shaolin Temple was eventually located. Thirty-one years later, the Shaolin Temple was built in 495 A.D., by the order of Wei Xiao Wen emperor (471-500 A.D.) for Batuo's preaching. Therefore, Batuo can be considered the first chief monk of the Shaolin Temple . However, there is no record regarding how and what Batuo passed down by way of religious Qigong practice. There is also no record of how or when Batuo died. However, the most influential person in this area was the Indian monk Da Mo . Da Mo , whose last name was Sardili and who was also known as Bodhidarma, was once the prince of a small tribe in southern India . He was of the Mahayana school of Buddhism , and was considered by many to have been a bodhisattva, or an enlightened being who had renounced nirvana in order to save others. From the fragments of historical records, it is believed that he was born about 483 A.D. Da Mo was invited to China to preach by the Liang Wu emperor. He arrived in Canton , China in 527 A.D. during the reign of the Wei Xiao Ming emperor (516-528 A.D.) or the Liang Wu emperor (502-550 A.D.). When the emperor decided he did not like Da Mo 's Buddhist theory, the monk withdrew to the Shaolin Temple . When Da Mo arrived, he saw that the priests were weak and sickly, so he shut himself away to ponder the problem. When he emerged after nine years of seclusion, he wrote two classics: Yi Jin Jing (Muscle/Tendon Changing Classic) and Xi Sui Jin (Marrow/Brain Washing Classic. The Yi Jin Jing taught the priests how to build their Qi to an abundant level and use it to improve health and change their physical bodies from weak to strong. After the priests practiced the Yi Jin Jing exercises, they found that not only did they improve their health, but they also greatly increased their strength. When this training was integrated into the Martial Arts forms, it increased the effectiveness of their martial techniques. This change marked one more step in the growth of the Chinese Martial Arts: Martial Arts Qigong. Some sources say the practice of qi gong for martial arts purposes began around 500 or so AD. This lasted till after the so called Cultural Revolution in China when qi gong began to be publicly taught for its health benefits So qi gong pre-dates kung fu by quite a bit. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World Thanks, Richard, this is a keeper (-: From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: China Opens the Longest Rail Line in the World Share Long: I meant Tai Chi (-: Authentic T'ai chi ch'uan is a type of Qigong that involves movement, positionng, breathing, and meditation. The main symbol of Qigong is the Dharmachakra Yantra. In Vajrayana Buddhism, the Dharmachakra represents the doctrine of enlightenment, founded by the Buddha Shakya the Muni, the first historical yogin in India. The Buddhist doctrine was introduced to China by Bodhidharma, the founder of the Chan (meditation) sect at Shaolin, of Yogacara, so-called because this Indian sect practiced dhyana (meditation) as instructed by the Buddha. Because his students spent a lot of time in sitting meditation, Bodhi Dharma developed techniques for physical conditioning- Kung Fu, which is the parent of all Qigong. In contrast to the Buddha's spiritual yoga, the Chinese communist government has banned meditation in public in China. If you are caught meditating in China you will be accused of belonging to a deviant cult, arrested and sent to prison. Belief in Buddha or enlightenment is NOT a doctrine supported by the atheistic government of China. In 1999, in response to widespread revival of old traditions of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Its nice to have an admirer - thanks Ann! As to nabby's insults, it is consistent with nabby's TMO outlook - look to the future and not to what actually is. I don't blame anyone about anything - if a man walks into a bank and sticks a gun in the teller's face and demands money, takes the bank money and runs off its not blaming to say the man is a crook or robber or thief. He is what he is. Marshy and company did what they did - I don't blame them - but I do say what I think they did and what they acted like. You seem to feel that Curtis, Barry and myself blame the TMO and its leader for our miserable lives. This is simply incorrect. I don't see how you can yourself utterly ignore the reports of people like Mark Landau who were there, who lived it and who reported many things not in keeping with the PR of the Movement. In addition, for myself, I believe in results. I got tired of the TMO telling me that things were gone be better and not seeing advertised results, and instead seeing things that are not supposed to be there, such as people going off the deep end or committing suicide after years of TM. If its such a fabulous practice, if it clears the awareness and replaces stress in the mind, emotions and nervous system with Pure Awareness or even bliss, then such things shouldn't be happening, yet they do. I go by what is, not by what is promised. And yes it sounds judgmental but if a man defrauds millions of people then he is by definition a son of a bitch and that applies to Maharishi and his ilk like Bevan and most of the Rajas (I give an exception to Paul Potter - I worked for him in North Carolina - he was a fine fellow - so spaced out I could hardly believe he could ever tie his own shoes but he was a sattvic guy and a brilliant creative artist.) See even I can end on a positive note. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? Â Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is? It's all in the heads of spiritually lazy and (therefore) disappointed posters here who loves to have someone ELSE to blame. Even if you don't like or agree with what MJ has to say you have to give him this: he is consistent in his viewpoint, spent enough time around MIU and the movement to be qualified to say his piece and finally, that he is a fighter with lots of gumption. He knows what he says will not change anyone's mind, he knows he will be censured for his viewpoints but he is willing to get out there and present them anyway. That counts for a lot in my book whether I agree with MJ or not. I admire his spirit and his willingness to come under fire irrespective of his viewpoints. Quality of the human being first, what he believes second.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Dec 21
Crime is declining markedly in all these areas influenced by these groups, and other social indicators like rates of poverty are also showing unprecedented improvement. Its now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Please tell you friend's friend's friend not to hold their breath till this happens - its the same old TM Movement schtick - hanging on till the Rapture comes, always dealing in futures. Sort of like waiting for Elijah. From: Rick Archer rick@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Reflections on Dec 21  From the friend of a friend of a friend:  Reflections on the events of Dec 12, 2012  As the Global Mother Divine director for Guatemala, I thought Iâd pass on some reflections I had from the events on December 21 this year in Monte Alban. I donât really know that much about it and certainly shouldnât be taken as an authority. Much of this is just what I have gleaned from glimpses I have gained while trying to keep in touch with it in spare moments over the last few years.  The first part is meant to be fact. I hope Iâve got all the details at least mostly right. Many of you may know most of this and more.  The Mayans never actually thought that Dec 21 was going to be the end of the world. In fact, until 2010 the Mayans never even talked about the ending of their calendar at all. The Mayans are, in general, quite happy and comfortable to stay to themselves. Not many are welcome into their world and very few ever leave. So there has not been much communication of what they believe or donât believe, until the last couple of years, with anyone.  But more than a decade ago some Mayans apparently did come to the US to college here and mentioned that their calendar ended on Dec 21. They had no idea what that meant or what was going to happen after that. So the Judeo-Christian apocalyptic habit of thinking in this country turned it into the end of the world. And that concept went around the world. EVERYONE around the world, as far as I can tell from my travels and living with so many of other cultures, knew that Dec 21 was âThe Dayâ.  But 2 years ago, the Mayan elder who is the Prophesy Keeper and Day Keeper, Don Alejandro, did start to talk about the end of the calendar, and in order to quell the fear, he did go as public as possible with the help of new age friends through internet and travels to other countries. His message was, âDonât be afraid! The world is not going to end. It is the end of the current cycle of time and the beginning of a new one.â The ending cycle started about 5000 years ago, about the time Kali Yuga started.  The thing that amazes me was that he describes it in the same way and even with the same words that Maharishi describes the new age he worked towards for so many decades. Don Alejandro said the new time will be Heaven on Earth (those words were used on the internet, at least), a time of peace and harmony, where there will be no sickness or suffering. It will be a time when people will fly through the air like clouds. The world will be without boarders, and everyone will be able to travel anywhere without passports. He described it as a beautiful new time to very much look forward to. He also predicted that the day would be like any other day, like New Years eve. A new year is beginning, but it doesnât feel immediately any different from the old year. These are prophesies that, as I understand it, have been around for 5000 years, but have been passed on from father to son, or keeper to keeper, silently. The Mayan people didnât even really know. No one did until 2 years ago.  There is no TM Movement in Guatemala, no local teachers. Raja Louis imported two Spanish Governors to teach there a number of years ago, and they have been knocking on doors, and knocking on doors for many years, and for so long found the doors all locked. Finally they found some openings, and finally they reached the Mayan elders. I have no idea how long it took for the elders to âgetâ what the Governors were saying, but when they finally did, the response was kind of like, âCome in! Weâre expecting you! This TM will eliminate disharmony in collective consciousness? It will create peace? Please, tell us what to do. You can teach us to fly? All the children should learn? Yes. We will start now.â  Once it started, there was no stopping it. Last July, on Guru Purnima some Mayans had learned the practice (I forget, maybe a few thousand?). But there was no inkling that it was going to turn into what it is now, 6 months later, with 8,000 students practicing yogic flying every day at the same time in Mexico and Guatemala. After the demonstration on Dec 21, a contract was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Xeno - the last paragraph says it all! From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the energy or essence of the purity of consciousness that is supposedly expressed by the enlightened or near enlightened? How do you account for people like Mark Landau and Rory Goff who report what many would feel are fabulous experience of awareness in essence falling back to a normal waking state of consciousness? I have gotten to the point that I think even just the plain old TM technique doesn't do what it is hyped to do - just my opinion. But I think it is a valid and necessary step to look at the results of a technique or practice in those who do it. The TMO consistently says this is the glory to come, pay no attention to what reality actually is, pay attention to what we SAY reality is. They have always dealt in futures and never delivered promised results. That certainly is a valid criticism. Coming across an 'awakened' TM meditator seems very rare. It seems like those that wake up in a rather short time are those that throw their entire lives into it, and do not sit around waiting for enlightenment to be done for them. These people are curious, they question what is happening in the process all the time, and do not assume it will automatically happen, even if somehow this is the way it actually happens. For example if you focus on getting the experience of transcendental consciousness, and that is it, you are aiming at the bottom of the barrel of enlightenment. Aim for unity right from the start. What is it? Why should I go for it? What do you have to do or not do to get there? Is this the only way? A religion tries to keep you in a straight jacket so you do not vary from the path. But there really is not path. If you are hiking, you can step off the trail and see what happens. I think an experimental attitude is needed. What if things do not seem to be happening. What would happen if I meditated longer? Try and see what happens. I did that and initially the results were not so good. But later on I found I could meditate for much longer times without any ill effect. Things that did not work, I dropped. Spiritual movements tend to have a lot of magical thinking, but it is nuts and bolts thinking that get things done in the world. It seems as if those that end up running a spiritual movement after the 'master' dies (and in some movement when the master is still around) are the ones that like to bask in the glow of the master's presence rather than their own being (not the ego, I should add). You need a certain amount of autonomy - self respect, and self reliance. This is eschewed in hierarchical movements. Being is everywhere the same, no one owns it. It is totally without ownership, so anyone can have it, since from the beginning they do have it. There are no levels to it. We all have some screws loose somewhere in our lives, these are the things that inhibit us in this search. Some of us have lots more loose screws than others. Maybe they gather at the top of the hierarchy, where desire for power and control is given the greatest opportunity for expression. If you look at the technique of TM, and at some mindfulness techniques, the process is to minimise control, to let go as much as possible, finding a way to let go rather than hold on. A spiritual movement, by simply the desire to persist inevitably invites the exact opposite value to that of letting go. It is doomed from the beginning, so to get value from a spiritual movement, you have to get in on its initial surge, and then, probably, get out. And keep seeking as long as the desire to seek persists. Keep curious. I made the mistake of too blindly following recommended instructions for too long. Now, if a person is very innocent and devoted, they might make the 'journey' quickly. I think people like that are kind of rare. There is usually a mix of devotion and ambition and other qualities that make for a really bumpy ride. Once, I was on the MIU campus, and there was an open office door, and two administrators were talking about shakeups in the movement. They were discussing they did not want to be 'left behind', they wanted to at least maintain their position in the movement, or get even a higher position. Some people gravitate to this kind of authority and some do not, but I think those who do are not necessarily about letting go. There is holding on to something. We all have this tendency, but in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
ok then the TM Movement makes promises that are never kept from the effects of TM to the effects of TM Sidhis to the effects of all the ancillary programs (yagyas, vastu veda, etc) to the promised uses of the donations to the Movement - they tell everyone to believe what the TMO says rather than the evidence of the meditators own experiences and senses and good common sense. If you can't understand that, and it was addressed very well in my previous post which you ignore apparently because you refuse to see the TMO and Marshy in the light of day rather than the golden glow the TMO projects around him and it, if you can't understand that then you must be a schmoe. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? You wrote a lot of words, but you did not answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Oh come one, you know this, but if you must ask here goes: 1 - TM reality - Enlightenment in 3 - 6 years      Real Reality †No one we know of has ever gotten enlightened through practicing TM, except Robin and Andy Rhymer according to Marsh-E.  2 - TM Reality †Relationship of body and akasha, Lightness of cotton fibers properly practiced will enable you to levitate  Real Reality †In 38 years of sidhi practice, no one has EVER levitated ( hopping is hopping, not levitation)  3 - TM Reality †Group practice of the “yogic flying� will create peace on earth  Real Reality †War and rumors of war are more prevalent now than when Marshy started the sidhi con game  4 - TM Reality †Group practice of the TM Sidhi programme will result in demonstrable amazing results to create peace and coherence in the geographical location where the flying group is located  Real Reality †In 38 years of group flying no results have been made manifest that are truly incontrovertible. I mean come on, people are not fucking idiots. If it were demonstrated that group practice could create peace, the smaller countries would have every goddamn man, woman and child over the age of 13 doing the practice †the larger countries might not want to since they make so much money off war, but the small countries would all be people by sidhas and rising sidhas.  5 - TM Reality †Practice of TM makes people more efficient, more effective in their jobs  Real Reality †As has been recently discussed, the people who work in the Movement itself have been notorious for decades for their sloth, incompetence and inefficiency. Any of us who ever called the “Course Office� years ago to get on a rounding course can attest to this manifestation of the opposite effect of what was promised from daily TM practice.  6 - TM Reality †Daily practice of TM does not require any lifestyle changes  Real Reality †People who get into TM are highly encouraged to engage in increasingly restrictive, bizarre and utterly absurd lifestyle changes †i.e. †one has to be celibate even if married or they can’t get enlightened, can’t go through a south facing entrance, have to have yagyas for health, etc., and the list goes on and on  7 †TM Reality - Practice of sannyama on friendliness, happiness and compassion develops the qualities to a great degree  Real Reality †The behavior of the TM leaders and mid to low level managers makes that promise an obvious lie since nearly all of these guys demonstrate a high degree of arrogance, inflexibility and an obvious lack of the fundamentals of decent human interaction.  8 †TM Reality †The monies donated to the Movement will be used to create various projects, buildings and groups  Real Reality †Most if not all such projects disappear after a year or two and then Marsh †E would hit everyone up for a more important project, not ever mentioning where the money for the previous project went.  9 †TM Reality - Scientific research has shown the overwhelming evidence of the benefits of the practice of TM and the TM Sidhi programmes.  Real Reality †Most scientists ignore such tripe as tripe and the ones who do look at the studies have real problems with them.  10 †TM Reality - England was denounced as a scorpion nation for supporting America in the Iraq war. TM teachers were told to stop teaching TM in England and to leave England and teach elsewhere.  Real Reality †In addition to being incredibly insensitive to the TM teachers in England, asking or more like ordering them to pick up stakes, move their families, uproot their kids and close their businesses if they had them, one wonders why Marsh-E didn’t inundate the country with yogic flyers to bring overwhelming positive energy and enliven the home of all the laws
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
I agree with most everything you are saying here - I think one of the things that made the TM movement not very spiritual was that race to inner space - the extreme emphasis M put on getting benefits, getting enlightenment as fast as possible - it took what could have been a spiritual movement and made it a grab for gold race. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the energy or essence of the purity of consciousness that is supposedly expressed by the enlightened or near enlightened? How do you account for people like Mark Landau and Rory Goff who report what many would feel are fabulous experience of awareness in essence falling back to a normal waking state of consciousness? I have gotten to the point that I think even just the plain old TM technique doesn't do what it is hyped to do - just my opinion. But I think it is a valid and necessary step to look at the results of a technique or practice in those who do it. The TMO consistently says this is the glory to come, pay no attention to what reality actually is, pay attention to what we SAY reality is. They have always dealt in futures and never delivered promised results. That certainly is a valid criticism. Coming across an 'awakened' TM meditator seems very rare. It seems like those that wake up in a rather short time are those that throw their entire lives into it, and do not sit around waiting for enlightenment to be done for them. These people are curious, they question what is happening in the process all the time, and do not assume it will automatically happen, even if somehow this is the way it actually happens. For example if you focus on getting the experience of transcendental consciousness, and that is it, you are aiming at the bottom of the barrel of enlightenment. Aim for unity right from the start. What is it? Why should I go for it? What do you have to do or not do to get there? Is this the only way? A religion tries to keep you in a straight jacket so you do not vary from the path. But there really is not path. If you are hiking, you can step off the trail and see what happens. I think an experimental attitude is needed. What if things do not seem to be happening. What would happen if I meditated longer? Try and see what happens. I did that and initially the results were not so good. But later on I found I could meditate for much longer times without any ill effect. Things that did not work, I dropped. Spiritual movements tend to have a lot of magical thinking, but it is nuts and bolts thinking that get things done in the world. It seems as if those that end up running a spiritual movement after the 'master' dies (and in some movement when the master is still around) are the ones that like to bask in the glow of the master's presence rather than their own being (not the ego, I should add). You need a certain amount of autonomy - self respect, and self reliance. This is eschewed in hierarchical movements. Being is everywhere the same, no one owns it. It is totally without ownership, so anyone can have it, since from the beginning they do have it. There are no levels to it. We all have some screws loose somewhere in our lives, these are the things that inhibit us in this search. Some of us have lots more loose screws than others. Maybe they gather at the top of the hierarchy, where desire for power and control is given the greatest opportunity for expression. If you look at the technique of TM, and at some mindfulness techniques, the process is to minimise control, to let go as much as possible, finding a way to let go rather than hold on. A spiritual movement, by simply the desire to persist inevitably invites the exact opposite value to that of letting go. It is doomed from the beginning, so to get value from a spiritual movement, you have to get in on its initial surge, and then, probably, get out. And keep seeking as long as the desire to seek persists. Keep curious. I made the mistake of too blindly following recommended instructions for too long. Now, if a person is very innocent and devoted, they might make the 'journey' quickly. I think people like that are kind of rare. There is usually a mix of devotion and ambition and other qualities that make for a really bumpy ride. Once, I was on the MIU campus, and there was an open office door, and two administrators were talking about shakeups in the movement. They were discussing they did not want to be 'left behind',
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like India's has been for some time then it should come as no surprise that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold into the country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been single mindedly engaged in self-enrichment and the level of manipulation of all facets of government to their ends and against anyone they imagine to not support those ends is not something that I think you understand. If you were an Indian you would especially given the recent revelations of the miraculous enrichment of a certain person who married into that family. Whatever you claim otherwise is actually based on a lot of baseless innuendo and there is public information to the contrary but you are the sort of person who repeats lies so as to give them credibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to the organisation over many years, but had no more to do with it after I got close to an Indian working for the organisation at a senior level. He confided in me that the top people close to Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold during his trips from Europe and USA back to India!! When he refused they pressured him and made him break down, threatening he would have no future in the organisation if he didn't comply. Thus was back in the 90's when Maharishi was still alive. No wonder the movement in India is rich! http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
the idea that everyone does it so don't fuss with particular people who do it is the same kind of bullshit mentality that has led to the utterly corrupt practices on Wall Street that has led to a world wide economic crisis - where is your proof of Gandhi clan corruption other than what you have heard and read? I read this comment by an English person commenting on the Mayan flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then can't even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. Show me the public information that shows without question that Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does not deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put all the stories together with public statements and actions (like the scorpion nation episode) you see a consistent picture of an egotistical, childishly egotistical, horny, greedy con artist who created a movement dedicated not to the enlightenment of the world nor the betterment of the individual but to making himself an icon and living a high and luxurious life. You are flat out incorrect when you call these things baseless innuendo. Like I said, back up your words - show us the public information showing that Maharishi was an honest custodian of the funds he received for 57 years. All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run them are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or institutional corruption and dishonesty. From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like India's has been for some time then it should come as no surprise that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold into the country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been single mindedly engaged in self-enrichment and the level of manipulation of all facets of government to their ends and against anyone they imagine to not support those ends is not something that I think you understand. If you were an Indian you would especially given the recent revelations of the miraculous enrichment of a certain person who married into that family. Whatever you claim otherwise is actually based on a lot of baseless innuendo and there is public information to the contrary but you are the sort of person who repeats lies so as to give them credibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote: A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to the organisation over many years, but had no more to do with it after I got close to an Indian working for the organisation at a senior level. He confided in me that the top people close to Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold during his trips from Europe and USA back to India!! When he refused they pressured him and made him break down, threatening he would have no future in the organisation if he didn't comply. Thus was back in the 90's when Maharishi was still alive. No wonder the movement in India is rich! http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=366529
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
So what you meant was there is a difference between what the TM movement says and what actually happens as a result of the practice. That's rather different from saying that the TM movement says pay no attention to what reality actually is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: ok then the TM Movement makes promises that are never kept from the effects of TM to the effects of TM Sidhis to the effects of all the ancillary programs (yagyas, vastu veda, etc) to the promised uses of the donations to the Movement - they tell everyone to believe what the TMO says rather than the evidence of the meditators own experiences and senses and good common sense. If you can't understand that, and it was addressed very well in my previous post which you ignore apparently because you refuse to see the TMO and Marshy in the light of day rather than the golden glow the TMO projects around him and it, if you can't understand that then you must be a schmoe. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?  You wrote a lot of words, but you did not answer my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Oh come one, you know this, but if you must ask here goes: 1 - TM reality - Enlightenment in 3 - 6 yearsààààààReal Reality â⬠No one we know of has ever gotten enlightened through practicing TM, except Robin and Andy Rhymer according to Marsh-E. à2 - TM Reality â⬠Relationship of body and akasha, Lightness of cotton fibers properly practiced will enable you to levitate àReal Reality â⬠In 38 years of sidhi practice, no one has EVER levitated ( hopping is hopping, not levitation) à3 - TM Reality â⬠Group practice of the ââ¬Åyogic flyingââ¬ï¿½ will create peace on earth àReal Reality â⬠War and rumors of war are more prevalent now than when Marshy started the sidhi con game à4 - TM Reality â⬠Group practice of the TM Sidhi programme will result in demonstrable amazing results to create peace and coherence in the geographical location where the flying group is located àReal Reality â⬠In 38 years of group flying no results have been made manifest that are truly incontrovertible. I mean come on, people are not fucking idiots. If it were demonstrated that group practice could create peace, the smaller countries would have every goddamn man, woman and child over the age of 13 doing the practice â⬠the larger countries might not want to since they make so much money off war, but the small countries would all be people by sidhas and rising sidhas. à5 - TM Reality â⬠Practice of TM makes people more efficient, more effective in their jobs àReal Reality â⬠As has been recently discussed, the people who work in the Movement itself have been notorious for decades for their sloth, incompetence and inefficiency. Any of us who ever called the ââ¬ÅCourse Officeââ¬ï¿½ years ago to get on a rounding course can attest to this manifestation of the opposite effect of what was promised from daily TM practice. à6 - TM Reality â⬠Daily practice of TM does not require any lifestyle changes àReal Reality â⬠People who get into TM are highly encouraged to engage in increasingly restrictive, bizarre and utterly absurd lifestyle changes â⬠i.e. â⬠one has to be celibate even if married or they canââ¬â¢t get enlightened, canââ¬â¢t go through a south facing entrance, have to have yagyas for health, etc., and the list goes on and on à7 â⬠TM Reality - Practice of sannyama on friendliness, happiness and compassion develops the qualities to a great degree àReal Reality â⬠The behavior of the TM leaders and mid to low level managers makes that promise an obvious lie since nearly all of these guys demonstrate a high degree of arrogance, inflexibility and an obvious lack of the fundamentals of decent human interaction. à8 â⬠TM Reality â⬠The monies donated to the Movement will be used to create various projects, buildings and groups àReal Reality â⬠Most if not all such projects disappear after a year or two and then Marsh â⬠E would hit everyone up for a more important project, not ever mentioning where the money for the previous project went. à9 â⬠TM Reality - Scientific research has shown the overwhelming evidence of the benefits of the practice of TM and the TM Sidhi programmes. àReal Reality â⬠Most scientists ignore such tripe as tripe and the ones who do look at the studies have real problems with them. à10 â⬠TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: It is in my mind - they in essence are wanting people to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain - Reality is: Maharishi did not have the interests of the world or individuals are heart. TMO says -pay no attention to that, pay attention to the illusion of Maha being an enlightened being who had specialized knowledge of life. Reality is: Marshy cherry picked some elements of vedic and Hindu and Indian (not always the same) knowledge, ideas and practices and passes himself off as an expert on all areas of them and life itself. TMO says: Marshy revitalized all vedic wisdom etc etc Reality is: No one enlightened, no one levitates, group flying doesn't create world peace TMO says: Pay attention to what we tell you is GONE happen in the future and keep sending in those dollars Yes in every substantive way the Maha and his successors have told people to pay attention to what the TMO tells them rather than what is really going on, pay attention to the illusory reality created by the mind of Maharishi and company instead of real reality. How can it be any plainer? Now of course they don't say it flat out Hey, people! Pay no attention to anything in life other than what we tell you to pay attention to. I mean come on, telling people they will get sick and have financial problems if they walk through a south facing entrance isn't telling them to pay attention to TMO reality instead of the plain fact that it don't make jack shit difference which way the door faces? http://youtu.be/no0xelIuBG0
