[FairfieldLife] ColorCoded(TM) YS: I 17
(This might be the most challenging thus far because thetranslations contain so many extra words! Please keepin mind that my color vision is slightly defective!) viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH. viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSaH; anyaH. Shearer's TMish translation: After the repeated experince of the settling and ceasing of mental activity comes another samaadhi. In this only the latent impressions of past experince remain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ColorCoded(TM) YS: I 17
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: (This might be the most challenging thus far because thetranslations contain so many extra words! Please keepin mind that my color vision is slightly defective!) viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH. viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSaH; anyaH. Shearer's TMish translation: After the repeated experince of the settling and ceasing of mental activity comes another samaadhi. In this only the latent impressions of past experince remain. Curriculum vitae of Mr. Car de Maister: A self-diagnosed ADHD Aspergers Sanskrit dilettante from East of Sweden, with a mild visual defect: macula-scar (small sun burn) in the middle of the right, otherwise optically stronger eye and somewhat defective color vision!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: ColorCoded(TM) YS: I 17
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: (This might be the most challenging thus far because thetranslations contain so many extra words! Please keepin mind that my color vision is slightly defective!) viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH. viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSaH; anyaH. Shearer's TMish translation: After the repeated experince of the settling and ceasing of mental activity comes another samaadhi. In this only the latent impressions of past experince remain. BTW, why does Patañjali use the word 'anyaH' (another) instead of 'asaMprajñaataH'? Perhaps because after the ending -aH the following *short* a-sound is dropped and -aH changes to -o (saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH), so the end of that suutra with 'asaMprajñaataH' would appear like this ...saMskaarasheSo [a-]saMprajñaataH'!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knocking On Heaven's DoorTMO is now buying the door
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: This is an unusual coincidence, but I was also on the island of Penang in 1958 - my brother was born there in 1956. I don't remember Maharishi though...:-) When I was 6 years old Maharishi's car drove past me on a small dusty country road on his way to a lecture. Little did I know... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. With the introduction of digital photography I thought for a long while that the new medium was not able to capture them as on film. I was wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. With the introduction of digital photography I thought for a long while that the new medium was not able to capture them as on film. I was wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later.
[FairfieldLife] Religious groups: most attractive chicks?
At least here in Scandinavia, the most attractive chicks, as to various religious groups, seem to be amongst Jehova's witnesses! The reason for that seems quite obvious, eh? ;D
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of acting stupidly. So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. Yep, Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly have particular right to ask and require their students to be without the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to that too. This is now just elemental developmental brain physiology that should be societal policy; and people who get in the way of protecting this and even corrupt the system by supplying drugs to youth would be wholly strung up by all of civil society. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves what he gets, for getting caught. Anyone who hasn't learned how to take a discreet hit is not smart enough to go to college. What a dope. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I can't wait 'til the little dork lights up a doobie at his first job, and learns no MEANS no.:-) Conformity and obedience are really the most valued qualities of the enlightened mind aren't they? I don't suppose just getting bounced out of college is enough punishment for doing such a horrible thing. It is more satisfying to fantasize about him losing a job in the future. And he is such a little dork for doing exactly what almost every poster here, as well as our last three presidents did... and ALL future presidents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Look, these kids were part of something very large and special within consciousness-based education. It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know That Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your Life? You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in young brains? If these little shits are going to persist in screwing up their meditations and dulling the collective consciousness of the whole group with the smoke and haze of marijuana and other drugs then let them go to public education. Everyone knows the rules on drug use and meditation and why they are there. Jeesuus. Spare the rod, ruin the child. If and when the these children stop using marijuana they can come back to ideal education as better prepared students to make use of a large opportunity. Just like the adult fallen away meditators can always re-apply to meditate in the Domes with the large groups. There is quite a lot of empathy within the system to facilitate consciousness-based education. If people can't follow the simple rule about drug use for the good reasons of spiritual clarity, they should live with the consequence until they clear up in this or some other lifetime. For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs and dragging the community down along with them. I am entirely with Bevan on this. Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. We're trying to do something here that needs to be protected. I'm sorry to be the one to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Knocking On Heaven's DoorTMO is now buying the door
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: This is an unusual coincidence, but I was also on the island of Penang in 1958 - my brother was born there in 1956. I don't remember Maharishi though...:-) When I was 6 years old Maharishi's car drove past me on a small dusty country road on his way to a lecture. Little did I know... :-) Amazing! I sometimes wonder about the lives of others, in cars near me. My only automobile/celebrity anecdote, was the time a friend of mine and I were driving around DC and saw former Vice President Spiro Agnew (of Nixon fame) rolling along, in an old Plymouth, next to us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of acting stupidly. So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. Yep, Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly have particular right to ask and require their students to be without the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to that too. This is now just elemental developmental brain physiology that should be societal policy; and people who get in the way of protecting this and even corrupt the system by supplying drugs to youth would be wholly strung up by all of civil society. For instance according to local newspapers, just recently in the courts here there has been sentencing of some of the people who were supplying illicit and corrupting drugs during some of the time of some of the related incidents being reported in social media as the tale-bearing tainting gossips about the MUM campus and MSAE school communities here. Some family with dad and son evidently developed elaborate criminal interstate rackets here initially with an open refrigerator-door to their pot and cocaine for kids during those school years, they got figured out by State and local law enforcement and the courts, with the son now recently sent off to Federal penitentiary. The court determined these guys were an incredibly corrupting element in the civil community, An abomination. So it went and justice in a civil society worked and the asocial proscribed. Evidently in a larger way according to the latest science this is all in an accord with the Natural Law of an appropriate brain physiology. And underneath it all is the protection of the spirituality of our youth from corruption. I should hope in the expressed illiberality of some writing here these writers are not in fact advocating the licentious use of drugs by our youth. That would be a serious shame. --Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves what he gets, for getting caught. Anyone who hasn't learned how to take a discreet hit is not smart enough to go to college. What a dope. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I can't wait 'til the little dork lights up a doobie at his first job, and learns no MEANS no.:-) Conformity and obedience are really the most valued qualities of the enlightened mind aren't they? I don't suppose just getting bounced out of college is enough punishment for doing such a horrible thing. It is more satisfying to fantasize about him losing a job in the future. And he is such a little dork for doing exactly what almost every poster here, as well as our last three presidents did... and ALL future presidents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Look, these kids were part of something very large and special within consciousness-based education. It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know That Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your Life? You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in young brains? If these little shits are going to persist in screwing up their
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
I do see your point, only the word, drugs, is about as well understood as the word, enlightenment is.:-) What do you consider drugs? For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, alcohol would be illegal. Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of acting stupidly. So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. Yep, Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly have particular right to ask and require their students to be without the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to that too. This is now just elemental developmental brain physiology that should be societal policy; and people who get in the way of protecting this and even corrupt the system by supplying drugs to youth would be wholly strung up by all of civil society. For instance according to local newspapers, just recently in the courts here there has been sentencing of some of the people who were supplying illicit and corrupting drugs during some of the time of some of the related incidents being reported in social media as the tale-bearing tainting gossips about the MUM campus and MSAE school communities here. Some family with dad and son evidently developed elaborate criminal interstate rackets here initially with an open refrigerator-door to their pot and cocaine for kids during those school years, they got figured out by State and local law enforcement and the courts, with the son now recently sent off to Federal penitentiary. The court determined these guys were an incredibly corrupting element in the civil community, An abomination. So it went and justice in a civil society worked and the asocial proscribed. Evidently in a larger way according to the latest science this is all in an accord with the Natural Law of an appropriate brain physiology. And underneath it all is the protection of the spirituality of our youth from corruption. I should hope in the expressed illiberality of some writing here these writers are not in fact advocating the licentious use of drugs by our youth. That would be a serious shame. --Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves what he gets, for getting caught. Anyone who hasn't learned how to take a discreet hit is not smart enough to go to college. What a dope. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I can't wait 'til the little dork lights up a doobie at his first job, and learns no MEANS no.:-) Conformity and obedience are really the most valued qualities of the enlightened mind aren't they? I don't suppose just getting bounced out of college is enough punishment for doing
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers. I have, couldn't see any devas. Can you post a picture and tell me exactly where to look?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Knocking On Heaven's DoorTMO is now buying the door
laughing at myself for sharing these but what the heck: when I was 16 some friends and I drove from Maryland to Connecticut to visit a buddy whose family had moved there. One night we were tooling around the countryside and suddenly there was a gold Karman Ghia in my rear view mirror. Oh, Dede said, that's Paul Newman's car. On the same trip which was around Halloween, the evening we arrived at their house, her younger sisters were having a party for all their little friends. Parents were picking up their kids and standing right there among them was Peter O'Toole! Except it turned out it was his brother. Startling resemblance whoever it was! Her family had moved to Westport, CT and the neighborhood where she lived, if it can be called that, was all estates with gurgling streams running through them and gently rolling, well treed landscapes. Major money! Her dad worked for an oil company in NYC. BTW I LOVE Karman Ghias and we had a red convertible when I was married. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Knocking On Heaven's DoorTMO is now buying the door --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: This is an unusual coincidence, but I was also on the island of Penang in 1958 - my brother was born there in 1956. I don't remember Maharishi though...:-) When I was 6 years old Maharishi's car drove past me on a small dusty country road on his way to a lecture. Little did I know... :-) Amazing! I sometimes wonder about the lives of others, in cars near me. My only automobile/celebrity anecdote, was the time a friend of mine and I were driving around DC and saw former Vice President Spiro Agnew (of Nixon fame) rolling along, in an old Plymouth, next to us.
[FairfieldLife] The Veena
of all instruments, the veena is most powerful, because it is directly correlated to the subtler architecture of the human spine Maharishi 1972 mallorca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otw74mXRqAo from 2:52: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=mGAGzK1srS4
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers. I have, couldn't see any devas. Can you post a picture and tell me exactly where to look? Certainly, but because you are not open to the infinite field you would see nothing. Materialists, tire-kickers and quitters never do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Go ahead and look up any picture. [of the devas during 9/11] The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers. I have, couldn't see any devas. Can you post a picture and tell me exactly where to look? Here's a deva standing on one of the towers just before the plane hits: Different deva, of another type, same angle. Some say this deva is related to Bevan: Mark Wahlberg lookalike deva, trying to invoke Invincibility: Mark Wahlberg lookalike deva, admitting his Invincibility FAIL:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. [http://stargods.org/DS_Movie.jpg] [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0sdxhoTkvek/TQSfmfSePvI/ABo/8HFDxVCiI\ -A/s320/image-upload-14-733032.jpg] [http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4927/911truth0uj.jpg] [http://911review.org/Wiki/im/WTC_Demolition.jpg] and as above so below from Keyhole Nebula-ooh-1008 -nablusoss- at an estimated distance between 6,500 and 10,000 light years from Earth [http://www.galaxyphoto.com/high_res/hst_carina.JPG] showing a middle finger and a face screaming? The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Veena
hmmm, veena and human spine...maybe Spinal Cord on FFL could learn to play it (-: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Veena of all instruments, the veena is most powerful, because it is directly correlated to the subtler architecture of the human spine Maharishi 1972 mallorca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otw74mXRqAo from 2:52: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=mGAGzK1srS4
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
Nr 1 and 2 looks so real they could have been painted or photoshoped, but it's probably not. Didn't count them but in nr 3 there are probably several hundred. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. [http://stargods.org/DS_Movie.jpg] [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0sdxhoTkvek/TQSfmfSePvI/ABo/8HFDxVCiI\ \ -A/s320/image-upload-14-733032.jpg] [http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4927/911truth0uj.jpg] [http://911review.org/Wiki/im/WTC_Demolition.jpg] and as above so below from Keyhole Nebula-ooh-1008 -nablusoss- at an estimated distance between 6,500 and 10,000 light years from Earth [http://www.galaxyphoto.com/high_res/hst_carina.JPG] showing a middle finger and a face screaming? The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Nr 1 and 2 looks so real they could have been painted or photoshoped, but it's probably not. Didn't count them but in nr 3 there are probably several hundred. Devas are a dime a dozen. Here is a photo of Nabby's homeboy Maitreya on toast: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. [http://stargods.org/DS_Movie.jpg] [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0sdxhoTkvek/TQSfmfSePvI/ABo/8HFDxVCiI\ \ \ -A/s320/image-upload-14-733032.jpg] [http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4927/911truth0uj.jpg] [http://911review.org/Wiki/im/WTC_Demolition.jpg] and as above so below from Keyhole Nebula-ooh-1008 -nablusoss- at an estimated distance between 6,500 and 10,000 light years from Earth [http://www.galaxyphoto.com/high_res/hst_carina.JPG] showing a middle finger and a face screaming? The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: as above so below from Keyhole Nebula-ooh-1008 -nablusoss- at an estimated distance between 6,500 and 10,000 light years from Earth [http://www.galaxyphoto.com/high_res/hst_carina.JPG] showing a middle finger and a face screaming? Haha :-) That's a good one with interesting characters of different sizes and with different temperament compared to those you see at disasters; docile, friendly and curious looking fellows :-) The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers.
[FairfieldLife] Well It's About F'n Time!
Mr. Wright's Law of Love Mar 9 -- No one falls asleep in Jeffrey Wright's high school physics class. Exploding pumpkins, hovercrafts and an experiment involving a bed of nails, a cinder block and a sledgehammer, are some of the crazy stunts that keep the students enthralled. But it is a simple lecture - one without props or fireballs - that makes the greatest impression on his students ... http://www.dailygood.org/view.php?qid=5382
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I have, couldn't see any devas. Can you post a picture and tell me exactly where to look? Here's a deva standing on one of the towers just before the plane hits: Different deva, of another type, same angle. Some say this deva is related to Bevan: I think I see the face of Elvis in the cat's stomach fur, what do you see Nabby? Mark Wahlberg lookalike deva, trying to invoke Invincibility: Mark Wahlberg lookalike deva, admitting his Invincibility FAIL:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
HEY YOU FFL GUYS over there [http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8231/8441581139_4798fea3ab.jpg] Now, a small study from Finland, published in the journal Applied Cognitive Psychology, has attempted to find out what types of people are most likely people to pick up on these visual perceptions .An ability to see faces is more common in some people than others due to differences in how our brains process information, says study author Tapani Riekki, a doctoral student in the division of cognitive psychology and neuropsychology at the University of Helsink and somehow summaries his study already in the title: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acp.2874/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acp.2874/abstract The study found no surprise that religious people and paranormal believers perceived more face-like areas when some were present compared to non-religious individuals and skeptics. But believers also saw more face-like patterns in pictures when none were there. http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/46313867#46313867 http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/46313867#46313867 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Nr 1 and 2 looks so real they could have been painted or photoshoped, but it's probably not. Didn't count them but in nr 3 there are probably several hundred. Devas are a dime a dozen. Here is a photo of Nabby's homeboy Maitreya on toast: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. [http://stargods.org/DS_Movie.jpg] [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0sdxhoTkvek/TQSfmfSePvI/ABo/8HFDxVCiI\ \ \ \ -A/s320/image-upload-14-733032.jpg] [http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4927/911truth0uj.jpg] [http://911review.org/Wiki/im/WTC_Demolition.jpg] and as above so below from Keyhole Nebula-ooh-1008 -nablusoss- at an estimated distance between 6,500 and 10,000 light years from Earth [http://www.galaxyphoto.com/high_res/hst_carina.JPG] showing a middle finger and a face screaming? The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves what he gets, for getting caught. Anyone who hasn't learned how to take a discreet hit is not smart enough to go to college. What a dope. He's just lucky the high and mighty admin didn't stone him on his way out of the joint. To be blunt, they might have been fired up enough to have reef(ed) back hit (bong and boink!) the exiting student on the head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I can't wait 'til the little dork lights up a doobie at his first job, and learns no MEANS no.:-) Conformity and obedience are really the most valued qualities of the enlightened mind aren't they? I don't suppose just getting bounced out of college is enough punishment for doing such a horrible thing. It is more satisfying to fantasize about him losing a job in the future. And he is such a little dork for doing exactly what almost every poster here, as well as our last three presidents did... and ALL future presidents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Look, these kids were part of something very large and special within consciousness-based education. It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know That Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your Life? You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in young brains? If these little shits are going to persist in screwing up their meditations and dulling the collective consciousness of the whole group with the smoke and haze of marijuana and other drugs then let them go to public education. Everyone knows the rules on drug use and meditation and why they are there. Jeesuus. Spare the rod, ruin the child. If and when the these children stop using marijuana they can come back to ideal education as better prepared students to make use of a large opportunity. Just like the adult fallen away meditators can always re-apply to meditate in the Domes with the large groups. There is quite a lot of empathy within the system to facilitate consciousness-based education. If people can't follow the simple rule about drug use for the good reasons of spiritual clarity, they should live with the consequence until they clear up in this or some other lifetime. For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs and dragging the community down along with them. I am entirely with Bevan on this. Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. We're trying to do something here that needs to be protected. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you Buck, kids are going to smoke dope, they are going to experiment. They are NOT going to be willing goody-goodies at all times no matter how much parents want them to. I assume you were young once? This is the bit that gives it away: It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids Do you really think what the parents wanted is going to be the same as what the kids wanted? Sipping hot water and trudging to the dome twice a day? You guys want to get real, that sort of life is something you can choose to do when you know a bit about life and have been round the block a few times, but to try to inflict it (or any lifestyle) on your offspring is asking for trouble. I would have done it to spite you when I was 18. Especially if you called me a little shit for not being as high minded as you, you'd get psylocibin mushrooms in your hot water for that! Surely though, and I'm being serious here, if kids are smoking dope where does that leave the idea of spontaneous right action? Where does that leave the idea of coherence in collective consciousness? Where does that leave the research on drugs and TM that show people spontaneously give up drugs? If it don't work at MUM it's going to be a tough sell for the rest of the world. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers. I have, couldn't see any devas. Can you post a picture and tell me exactly where to look? For some reason I am finding all your posts related to this subject hilarious this morning. I am as curious as anybody to see these lower entities in the pictures. Maybe Nabby is thinking the poor souls falling or jumping to their deaths are devas, or that the smoke looks like beings. In the meantime, I'm thoroughly enjoying your humour today.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. Since it looks like one could potentially mouseover the photos and see the captions listed below, I'll spoil the fun and reveal that none of the three are TM meditators. None are even women. All of them were created using CGI. Pretty amazing, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Me: I loved being sober at MIU. It was a fantastic college experience for me and I can relate to your points. But this still reveals a real flaw in the ideal education. They still have the same solution to kids smoking pot that was popular in prep schools in the early 70's: throw the bum out. See, now the school is drug free! It is lame. Especially for a technique that claims to evolve people out of wanting to get high. And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual thing.) They know they are not on the cusp of any breakthrough. Remember how it was for us? People in Switzerland were flying...so we were told. People talked to squirrels. (According to Jonathan Shear) Larry Domash found his lost pen magically!) They were heady times and we were on the cusp of something amazing. So it really wasn't much of a stretch for me to give up drugs. But I pushed the boundaries appropriate to my age. I did things that got kids kicked out in later years. Skinny dipping co-ed at Lake Keosauqua and the reservoir and dorm showers...and anywhere else I could get young ladies to serve up the simplest form of undress. These kids know everything. They know Maharishi banged young white girls. We thought he was a God. They just don't have the context we had. But more than that. Any school who deals with kids smoking pot by saying we can't help you get your shit and leave is lame IMO. And that is even institutions that don't sprinkle on the ideals like powdered sugar on french toast. (Use day old Challah bread) They have exposed that they are just another strict Christian school who can't handle any kid's rebellion. Our class was the first one at MIU with actual kids, not TM teachers. The class was much more indoctrinated than some of these kids. So yeah, I get that we loved our drug-free MIU. And I get it that these are the rules of the group and they SHOULD know them. As I said in an earlier post, the part of your brain that actually allow us to foresee the consequences of our actions is physically NOT developed till 26. And society expectations of them being responsible don't change that. (BTW society actually preys on this when we send young people to war. There is a reason for that.) When I was at MIU there were off-the-program students smoking pot and drinking. It had nothing to do with me and my choices. They kept it on the down-low and it was none of my business. I think Dennis Ramondi was very compassionate toward us that we were all growing and none of us was ideal anything. MIU is a buzz kill, and I wound never recommend smoking weed there. But is this is their answer to the drug problem, then they really aren't adding anything new are they? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Spare the rod, ruin the child. For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs and dragging the community down along with them. Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. First let me say that your stern views are the same as the TM administration, and when I was a mouthpiece for pure knowledge, I would have parroted the same. And interestingly, you admitted you were one of the more strait-laced students there when you and I attended MIU. You apparently sought out and appreciated the environment that MIU, as a drug and alcohol free as well as spiritual/evolutionary place to be, provided. Granted, times have changed and so have you but at the time that is a big part of why you were there presumably. And many others as well. What people expect at MIU/MUM these days I have no idea. It is not somewhere I would chose to be as the person I am now but it certainly was back in 1975-1980. So please view the following ripping a new one as directed toward this pernicious style of thinking rather than directed at your Steven Colbert style mash-up parody, where-does-it-end-and-you-begin, persona here. Here is my problem with this. The first two quotes are draconian 1950's anti-kid I don't think they are 'anit-kid'. I just think, the first one, in particular, is a cliche and an old one to boot. The others just sound more like Buck's style of fire and brimstone
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. Since it looks like one could potentially mouseover the photos and see the captions listed below, I'll spoil the fun and reveal that none of the three are TM meditators. None are even women. All of them were created using CGI. Pretty amazing, eh? I thought they were mannequins, but I think I saw something like it on the news a few months back about how movie directors won't have to put up with stroppy actors once this new technology gets perfected. Looks like they are almost there! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
The old psychological principle of pareidolio at work! http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bltabloid-arch10.htm Nabbie has joined the Mexican women who see Jesus' face in their tortilla. Praise the lard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I have, couldn't see any devas. Can you post a picture and tell me exactly where to look? Here's a deva standing on one of the towers just before the plane hits: Different deva, of another type, same angle. Some say this deva is related to Bevan: I think I see the face of Elvis in the cat's stomach fur, what do you see Nabby? Mark Wahlberg lookalike deva, trying to invoke Invincibility: Mark Wahlberg lookalike deva, admitting his Invincibility FAIL:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. Since it looks like one could potentially mouseover the photos and see the captions listed below, I'll spoil the fun and reveal that none of the three are TM meditators. None are even women. All of them were created using CGI. Pretty amazing, eh? I thought they were mannequins, but I think I saw something like it on the news a few months back about how movie directors won't have to put up with stroppy actors once this new technology gets perfected. Looks like they are almost there! Meaning of course that artificial the women I saw were animated not mannequins, but they looked very like these idealised creations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Thanks Doc and Curtis, your points make me think. And Ann, I agree with you about this morning: I was laughing my head off at the exchange between Nabby and Salya. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment. I do see your point, only the word, drugs, is about as well understood as the word, enlightenment is.:-) What do you consider drugs? For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, alcohol would be illegal. Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of acting stupidly. So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. Yep, Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly have particular right to ask and require their students to be without the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to that too. This is now just elemental developmental brain physiology that should be societal policy; and people who get in the way of protecting this and even corrupt the system by supplying drugs to youth would be wholly strung up by all of civil society. For instance according to local newspapers, just recently in the courts here there has been sentencing of some of the people who were supplying illicit and corrupting drugs during some of the time of some of the related incidents being reported in social media as the tale-bearing tainting gossips about the MUM campus and MSAE school communities here. Some family with dad and son evidently developed elaborate criminal interstate rackets here initially with an open refrigerator-door to their pot and cocaine for kids during those school years, they got figured out by State and local law enforcement and the courts, with the son now recently sent off to Federal penitentiary. The court determined these guys were an incredibly corrupting element in the civil community, An abomination. So it went and justice in a civil society worked and the asocial proscribed. Evidently in a larger way according to the latest science this is all in an accord with the Natural Law of an appropriate brain physiology. And underneath it all is the protection of the spirituality of our youth from corruption. I should hope in the expressed illiberality of some writing here these writers are not in fact advocating the licentious use of drugs by our youth. That would be a serious shame. --Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
For me the second one worked the best. I didn't buy the eyes on the first one or the teeth and eyes on the second one. Our brains are so tuned up for seeing faces and their expressions this type of art is very hard. I am currently on the last exercise in my Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain book, a mirror self-portrait. Compared to the comparison one I did at the beginning of the book I have made progress, but it is still such a bitch! Hinkiness can creep in anywhere, and getting it really right is decided by the tiniest marks. I still have such a long way to go but can appreciate the care these artists took to get a believable human face in CGI. Actually I am still blown away by quick sketches by real visual artists! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Re: I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Share, can you expand on this? In that what do you mean by monitor their craving, no matter what.and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside.. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment. I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Thanks Doc and Curtis, your points make me think. And Ann, I agree with you about this morning: I was laughing my head off at the exchange between Nabby and Salya. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment. I do see your point, only the word, drugs, is about as well understood as the word, enlightenment is.:-) What do you consider drugs? For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, alcohol would be illegal. Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of acting stupidly. So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. Yep, Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly have particular right to ask and require their students to be without the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to that too. This is now just elemental developmental brain physiology that should be societal policy; and people who get in the way of protecting this and even corrupt the system by supplying drugs to youth would be wholly strung up by all of civil society. For instance according to local newspapers, just recently in the courts here there has been sentencing of some of the people who were supplying illicit and corrupting drugs during some of the time of some of the related incidents being reported in social media as the tale-bearing tainting gossips about the MUM campus and MSAE school communities here. Some family with dad and son evidently developed elaborate criminal interstate rackets here initially with an open refrigerator-door to their pot and cocaine for kids during those school years, they got figured out by State and local law enforcement and the courts, with the son now recently sent off to Federal penitentiary. The court determined these guys were an incredibly corrupting element in the civil
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Just the last few days I've been talking about addictions with a friend and I've been thinking about them even longer. I'm not an expert but it seems that even addicts who are addicted to an activity like shopping or gambling or reading romance novels, such addicts are really addicted to whatever chemical in their body that that activity releases. So for example, let's say a gambling addict could tell somehow when their craving for that activity was reaching a dangerously high level because the concomitant chemical was reaching a dangerously low level. Instead of going to the local casino, what if there was some way they could release that craved chemical in their own body without ever going to the casino? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment. Re: I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Share, can you expand on this? In that what do you mean by monitor their craving, no matter what.and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside.. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment. I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Thanks Doc and Curtis, your points make me think. And Ann, I agree with you about this morning: I was laughing my head off at the exchange between Nabby and Salya. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment. I do see your point, only the word, drugs, is about as well understood as the word, enlightenment is.:-) What do you consider drugs? For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, alcohol would be illegal. Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of acting stupidly. So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. Yep, Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly have particular right to ask and require their students to be without the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to that too. This is now just elemental
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
H, well I guess they could have sex, or exercise, or maybe meditate, or maybe eat a pieit's about the endorphins, is it not?, or other feel good chemicals, in the context you mention. If they are addicted to the endorphin rush and therefore activities that release the endorphins and they replace one with another - they are doomed to become addicted to whatever. Doesn't get to the issue of addiction very well. Although physical exercise is better for you than eating too much sugar or gambling all your money away in the heat of the moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Just the last few days I've been talking about addictions with a friend and I've been thinking about them even longer. I'm not an expert but it seems that even addicts who are addicted to an activity like shopping or gambling or reading romance novels, such addicts are really addicted to whatever chemical in their body that that activity releases. So for example, let's say a gambling addict could tell somehow when their craving for that activity was reaching a dangerously high level because the concomitant chemical was reaching a dangerously low level. Instead of going to the local casino, what if there was some way they could release that craved chemical in their own body without ever going to the casino? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  Re: I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Share, can you expand on this?  In that what do you mean by monitor their craving, no matter what.and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside.. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Thanks Doc and Curtis, your points make me think. And Ann, I agree with you about this morning: I was laughing my head off at the exchange between Nabby and Salya. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  I do see your point, only the word, drugs, is about as well understood as the word, enlightenment is.:-) What do you consider drugs? For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, alcohol would be illegal. Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful consequences of
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: H, well I guess they could have sex, or exercise, or maybe meditate, or maybe eat a pieit's about the endorphins, is it not?, or other feel good chemicals, in the context you mention. If they are addicted to the endorphin rush and therefore activities that release the endorphins and they replace one with another - they are doomed to become addicted to whatever. Doesn't get to the issue of addiction very well. Although physical exercise is better for you than eating too much sugar or gambling all your money away in the heat of the moment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Just the last few days I've been talking about addictions with a friend and I've been thinking about them even longer. I'm not an expert but it seems that even addicts who are addicted to an activity like shopping or gambling or reading romance novels, such addicts are really addicted to whatever chemical in their body that that activity releases. So for example, let's say a gambling addict could tell somehow when their craving for that activity was reaching a dangerously high level because the concomitant chemical was reaching a dangerously low level. Instead of going to the local casino, what if there was some way they could release that craved chemical in their own body without ever going to the casino? From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  Re: I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Share, can you expand on this?  In that what do you mean by monitor their craving, no matter what.and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside.. From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own physiology. Thanks Doc and Curtis, your points make me think. And Ann, I agree with you about this morning: I was laughing my head off at the exchange between Nabby and Salya. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.  I do see your point, only the word, drugs, is about as well understood as the word, enlightenment is.:-) What do you consider drugs? For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, alcohol would be illegal. Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
good choice..that's Nicole Roarty,a real person, wife of Dan Roarty,a 3D artist Lead Character Artist for LucasArts Here a much more IMHO charming snapshot of both [http://blog.cgtrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dan-Roarty.jpg] so because these photos are VRAY-ed within Maya , does that prove they could not meditating transcendental as so many artist do, what do you think? May be your husband could be interested in this,my dear Anuschka! http://blog.cgtrader.com/2012/08/13/making-of-the-blue-project-by-dan-ro\ arty/ http://blog.cgtrader.com/2012/08/13/making-of-the-blue-project-by-dan-r\ oarty/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnvQFMvdyPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnvQFMvdyPQ OTHOH Send him the very best wishes from merudanda [http://to3d.ru/components/com_datsogallery/sub_wm.php?src=/home/to3dru3\ 6/public_html/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/Varvara1024h.jpg\ ] and tell him merudanda enjoy his lively photos MORE- they are the best!! Could that be something for FFL profiles?? http://www.noupe.com/inspiration/30-amazing-semi-photorealistic-3d-carto\ on-characters.html http://www.noupe.com/inspiration/30-amazing-semi-photorealistic-3d-cart\ oon-characters.html but be careful a elderly curmudgeon may spoil the fun http://roklywang.cgsociety.org/gallery/1051008/ http://roklywang.cgsociety.org/gallery/1051008/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. Since it looks like one could potentially mouseover the photos and see the captions listed below, I'll spoil the fun and reveal that none of the three are TM meditators. None are even women. All of them were created using CGI. Pretty amazing, eh? ah... the other side of the coin of illusory face perception:Tell us, how many of the images above could you not tell apart from a 3ds Max, Mudbox, Vray, Photoshop created photos? Wonder if Grandmaster nooze -FFL-guru knows that 3D technology is evolving so fast that soon digital actors may replacing the real ones before too long. When it will be? Only time will tell that it becomes so real that there would be no questioning it and how this can be used in a dictatorial system? Wonder if 3D artist Chris Nichols from Vancouver has an TM-Meditator in mind with this adapted reality? [http://blog.cgtrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Chris-Nichols_3D-Ch\ aracter.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
ah... the other side of the coin of illusory face perception: the animated idealized phantasy product of an creator from earthly realm with the help of 3ds Max, Mudbox, Vray, Photoshop etc may be in future done automatied by character artist robots? Wonder if Grandmaster nooze -FFL-guru knows that 3D technology is evolving so fast that soon digital actors may replacing the real ones before too long. When it will be? Only time will tell that it becomes so real that there would be no questioning it and how this can be used in a dictatorial system? Wonder if 3D artist Chris Nichols from Vancouver has an TM-Meditator in mind with this adapted reality? [http://blog.cgtrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Chris-Nichols_3D-Ch\ aracter.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. Since it looks like one could potentially mouseover the photos and see the captions listed below, I'll spoil the fun and reveal that none of the three are TM meditators. None are even women. All of them were created using CGI. Pretty amazing, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Just the last few days I've been talking about addictions with a friend and I've been thinking about them even longer. I'm not an expert but it seems that even addicts who are addicted to an activity like shopping or gambling or reading romance novels, such addicts are really addicted to whatever chemical in their body that that activity releases. So for example, let's say a gambling addict could tell somehow when their craving for that activity was reaching a dangerously high level because the concomitant chemical was reaching a dangerously low level. Instead of going to the local casino, what if there was some way they could release that craved chemical in their own body without ever going to the casino? I suppose the irony of this whole conversation for me is that I was a heavy dope smoker right up until the week I learned TM. The teacher said we should avoid recreational drugs for two weeks before we learn as they interfere with the process. Which came as a bit of a shock as smoking dope was like breathing to me but I wanted to do it right and complied. I had such a good initial experience that I was transformed into a raging Buddha overnight. After the 2nd day of checking I went out for a pint with some of my droogs and realised that drinking spoiled the effect of a natural high I got from TM but when I tried a joint it was like every cell in my brain went buzzy and cloudy, totally undermining my new found self. Nasty enough for me to hand it back and say No way! That was it for both of my main avenues of pleasure. Dropped at once by instinct. I never said never again, indeed my mates who knew me rather well, gave it six weeks at the outside. 20 years later and I've forgotten what it all felt like. What is strange to me then is how these kids, or anyone, can enjoy dope and TM. To me they simply did not mix, are the MUM stoners totally OTP? Or was my reaction OTT? Has anyone else successfully done both?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
Now THAT chick is stoned! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: ah... the other side of the coin of illusory face perception: the animated idealized phantasy product of an creator from earthly realm with the help of 3ds Max, Mudbox, Vray, Photoshop etc may be in future done automatied by character artist robots? Wonder if Grandmaster nooze -FFL-guru knows that 3D technology is evolving so fast that soon digital actors may replacing the real ones before too long. When it will be? Only time will tell that it becomes so real that there would be no questioning it and how this can be used in a dictatorial system? Wonder if 3D artist Chris Nichols from Vancouver has an TM-Meditator in mind with this adapted reality? [http://blog.cgtrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Chris-Nichols_3D-Ch\ aracter.jpg] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Well, personally, I'll take number one, meditator or not and number three looks like a mannequin. Since it looks like one could potentially mouseover the photos and see the captions listed below, I'll spoil the fun and reveal that none of the three are TM meditators. None are even women. All of them were created using CGI. Pretty amazing, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: Paranormal and Religious Believers Are More Prone to Illusory Face Perception than Skeptics and Non-believers! Speaking of illusory face perception, let's see how refined Nabby's seeing really is, eh? All he has to do is to tell us which of the following three women is a TM meditator. This should be a simple task for him, seeing as how he sees devas in clouds. [Straightforward and super-realistic.] [This model is based on a real person named Bernadette Vong, who is a 3D animator herself.] [This picture took the artist three weeks to make.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Maybe a good bonk would chill um out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves what he gets, for getting caught. Anyone who hasn't learned how to take a discreet hit is not smart enough to go to college. What a dope. He's just lucky the high and mighty admin didn't stone him on his way out of the joint. To be blunt, they might have been fired up enough to have reef(ed) back hit (bong and boink!) the exiting student on the head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I can't wait 'til the little dork lights up a doobie at his first job, and learns no MEANS no.:-) Conformity and obedience are really the most valued qualities of the enlightened mind aren't they? I don't suppose just getting bounced out of college is enough punishment for doing such a horrible thing. It is more satisfying to fantasize about him losing a job in the future. And he is such a little dork for doing exactly what almost every poster here, as well as our last three presidents did... and ALL future presidents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Look, these kids were part of something very large and special within consciousness-based education. It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know That Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your Life? You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in young brains? If these little shits are going to persist in screwing up their meditations and dulling the collective consciousness of the whole group with the smoke and haze of marijuana and other drugs then let them go to public education. Everyone knows the rules on drug use and meditation and why they are there. Jeesuus. Spare the rod, ruin the child. If and when the these children stop using marijuana they can come back to ideal education as better prepared students to make use of a large opportunity. Just like the adult fallen away meditators can always re-apply to meditate in the Domes with the large groups. There is quite a lot of empathy within the system to facilitate consciousness-based education. If people can't follow the simple rule about drug use for the good reasons of spiritual clarity, they should live with the consequence until they clear up in this or some other lifetime. For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs and dragging the community down along with them. I am entirely with Bevan on this. Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. We're trying to do something here that needs to be protected. I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you Buck, kids are going to smoke dope, they are going to experiment. They are NOT going to be willing goody-goodies at all times no matter how much parents want them to. I assume you were young once? This is the bit that gives it away: It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids Do you really think what the parents wanted is going to be the same as what the kids wanted? Sipping hot water and trudging to the dome twice a day? You guys want to get real, that sort of life is something you can choose to do when you know a bit about life and have been round the block a few times, but to try to inflict it (or any lifestyle) on your offspring is asking for trouble. I would have done it to spite you when I was 18. Especially if you called me a little shit for not being as high minded as you, you'd get psylocibin mushrooms in your hot water for that! Surely though, and I'm being serious here, if kids are smoking dope where does that leave the idea of spontaneous right action? Where does that leave the idea of coherence in collective consciousness? Where does that leave the research on drugs and TM that show people spontaneously give up drugs? If it don't work at MUM it's going to be a tough sell for the rest of the world. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: good choice..that's Nicole Roarty,a real person, wife of Dan Roarty,a 3D artist Lead Character Artist for LucasArts Here a much more IMHO charming snapshot of both [http://blog.cgtrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dan-Roarty.jpg] so because these photos are VRAY-ed within Maya , does that prove they could not meditating transcendental as so many out artist do, what do you think? May be your husband could be interested in this,my dear Anuschka! http://blog.cgtrader.com/2012/08/13/making-of-the-blue-project-by-dan-roarty/ Thank you for this. GREAT find. I had seen only the final portrait. It's amazing to me to see the layering process. I've watched my best friend paint in oils, and the process is exactly like that -- laying down base levels of color and then applying more, either translucent or opaque -- to finally achieve a result that does a remarkable job of capturing the nuances of a human face. I'm seeing the future here. Within a decade you won't really need human actors. Sure, they'll still be out there, and working, but a lot of them will be working on a preliminary 3D modeling, which will then be transformed into the final. That introduces a whole new world. Fascinating, that the software tool of choice is called Maya, eh? There was actually a film made about creating a fictional CGI movie star called S1mone, written and directed by Andrew Niccol, and starring Al Pacino. It was not fully realized, and not that great a movie, but its concept just rocked. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258153/reference
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
Yes saw that too several time .Some time ago during a week long strong taiphoon after a little shake up by an earth quake. We may ask if the time is approaching when a persona in its entirety could be a mere fabrication of modern culture and technology?So keep being original persona [:x] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP7WCx6eRzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP7WCx6eRzo --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: good choice..that's Nicole Roarty,a real person, wife of Dan Roarty,a 3D artist Lead Character Artist for LucasArts Here a much more IMHO charming snapshot of both [http://blog.cgtrader.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dan-Roarty.jpg] so because these photos are VRAY-ed within Maya , does that prove they could not meditating transcendental as so many out artist do, what do you think? May be your husband could be interested in this,my dear Anuschka! http://blog.cgtrader.com/2012/08/13/making-of-the-blue-project-by-dan-ro\ arty/ Thank you for this. GREAT find. I had seen only the final portrait. It's amazing to me to see the layering process. I've watched my best friend paint in oils, and the process is exactly like that -- laying down base levels of color and then applying more, either translucent or opaque -- to finally achieve a result that does a remarkable job of capturing the nuances of a human face. I'm seeing the future here. Within a decade you won't really need human actors. Sure, they'll still be out there, and working, but a lot of them will be working on a preliminary 3D modeling, which will then be transformed into the final. That introduces a whole new world. Fascinating, that the software tool of choice is called Maya, eh? There was actually a film made about creating a fictional CGI movie star called S1mone, written and directed by Andrew Niccol, and starring Al Pacino. It was not fully realized, and not that great a movie, but its concept just rocked. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258153/reference
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Me: I loved being sober at MIU. It was a fantastic college experience for me and I can relate to your points. But this still reveals a real flaw in the ideal education. They still have the same solution to kids smoking pot that was popular in prep schools in the early 70's: throw the bum out. See, now the school is drug free! It is lame. Especially for a technique that claims to evolve people out of wanting to get high. And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual thing.) They know they are not on the cusp of any breakthrough. Remember how it was for us? People in Switzerland were flying...so we were told. People talked to squirrels. (According to Jonathan Shear) Larry Domash found his lost pen magically!) They were heady times and we were on the cusp of something amazing. So it really wasn't much of a stretch for me to give up drugs. But I pushed the boundaries appropriate to my age. I did things that got kids kicked out in later years. Skinny dipping co-ed at Lake Keosauqua and the reservoir and dorm showers...and anywhere else I could get young ladies to serve up the simplest form of undress. These kids know everything. They know Maharishi banged young white girls. We thought he was a God. They just don't have the context we had. But more than that. Any school who deals with kids smoking pot by saying we can't help you get your shit and leave is lame IMO. And that is even institutions that don't sprinkle on the ideals like powdered sugar on french toast. (Use day old Challah bread) They have exposed that they are just another strict Christian school who can't handle any kid's rebellion. Our class was the first one at MIU with actual kids, not TM teachers. The class was much more indoctrinated than some of these kids. So yeah, I get that we loved our drug-free MIU. And I get it that these are the rules of the group and they SHOULD know them. As I said in an earlier post, the part of your brain that actually allow us to foresee the consequences of our actions is physically NOT developed till 26. And society expectations of them being responsible don't change that. (BTW society actually preys on this when we send young people to war. There is a reason for that.) When I was at MIU there were off-the-program students smoking pot and drinking. It had nothing to do with me and my choices. They kept it on the down-low and it was none of my business. I think Dennis Ramondi was very compassionate toward us that we were all growing and none of us was ideal anything. MIU is a buzz kill, and I wound never recommend smoking weed there. But is this is their answer to the drug problem, then they really aren't adding anything new are they? First, it was great to read some of those old names, the past incidents, the feel of the place back when we were there that you described so well just now. And while it is stereotypical to idealize 'the good old days' I feel that, in some fundamental way, they REALLY were just that. I agree with you that enough history has past that the naive idealism we all held about enlightenment and the sidhis and just the newness of the place seems but a pipe dream now. However, it does not take away from our perceived reality at the time and I remember my years at MIU with great affection. It was EXCITING, there seemed to be a limitless future available to all of us. And undoubtedly there are far more interesting and creative ways to deal with rule-breakers at MUM. You could create something revealing, and interesting and understandable for other students there by possibly discussing the need, the desire to smoke drugs while pursuing an education steeped in spirituality and self development through meditation - you could make it a mini course, an interactive area of study headed by the students themselves. There are infinite ways to approach the 'problem' of drug taking there by turning it into another learning experience. You just need to be open minded, creative and be prepared to be surprised. But MUM appears, if nothing else, steeped in dogma. A dogma that will be doomed to moulder and eventually crumble with age and obsolescence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual thing.) We have a busker singing like a hog being slaughtered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5mc2T8g68M and we have a real musician, in this case the fellow Curtis tries to ridicule, Charles Lloyd (that's how his name is spelled), with his own unique sound on the saxophone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XLWO1fA_TQ Peanuts and Pineapples I know, yet I'm confident the viewers are able to make their own decisions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? I think that MMY was generally talking about devas when he said laws of nature. Of course, that raises the question: what is a deva? They are ofcourse everywhere and especially easy to see in the air around dramatic events. Take a closer look at the pictures from the bombing of the Twin Towers for example. Here lower representatives are gleefully present by the hundreds. Go on then, post a link to a photograph showing these devas gleefully enjoying the hideous death of thousands of people. Why, are you to lazy to look up one of the thousands of images of the event yourself ? Um, it's more a question of having seen one or two photos of the event and not noticing any supernatural entities. Maybe you know of a particular image where they stand out so we can scrutinise them? And BTW, you seem to be so dense that even if you shook hands with one of them you wouldn't believe their exsistence :-) A photo will do for now, we'll save the introductions for later. Go ahead and look up any picture. The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers. Sorry, spelling mistake. It should be: TYRE-KICKERS [http://static3.urbandictionary.com/assets/logo-holiday-9069d42a6163cfea\ 2193546a60447f69.png] http://www.urbandictionary.com/ look up any word:word of the day http://www.urbandictionary.com/ dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=A thesaurus http://www.urbandictionary.com/thesaurus.php names http://www.urbandictionary.com/names.php media http://www.urbandictionary.com/video.list.php store http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php add http://www.urbandictionary.com/add.php edit http://www.urbandictionary.com/editor/staygo.php blog http://blog.urbandictionary.com/random http://www.urbandictionary.com/random.php A http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=A B http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=B C http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=C D http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=D E http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=E F http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=F G http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=G H http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=H I http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=I J http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=J K http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=K L http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=L M http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=M N http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=N O http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=O P http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=P Q http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=Q R http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=R S http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=S T http://www.urbandictionary.com/browse.php?word=tyre+kicker U http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=U V http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=V W http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=W X http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=X Y http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=Y Z http://www.urbandictionary.com/popular.php?character=Z # http://www.urbandictionary.com/browse.php?character=%2A new http://www.urbandictionary.com/yesterday.php?date=2013-03-08 favorites http://www.urbandictionary.com/favorites.php tv http://urbandictionary.tv/ 1. http://tyre-kicker.urbanup.com/705980 tyre kicker 173 up http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tyre%20kicker# , 50 down http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tyre%20kicker# http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tyre%20kicker#
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Go ahead and look up any picture. The post was intended for meditators who's awareness is open to the infinite field, not quitters and tire-kickers. Sorry, spelling mistake. It should be: TYRE-KICKERS Thanks for clearing that up, it's much more relevant now :/ 1. http://tyre-kicker.urbanup.com/705980 tyre kicker 173 up (n.) A person who appears interested in buying your car, but on the day displays any of the following traits. Does not show up Does not bring money Kicks the tyres and complains about even the most minor faults Seems to know barely anything about the car Offers stupid money (a large amount either side of what you expected) Keeps asking if he can part exchange his rusty old Ford http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ford for your car, not wondering why anyone wouldn't want it Assumes the car is in fine working condition just by kicking the tyres Tries to drive a restoration project dozens of miles home with him. Asks questions repeatedly, specifically ones mentioned in adevertising the car Gets the manufacturers' name wrong Asks if you are willing to transport the car without charge. Makes a bid for a car placed on ebay http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ebay or similar without any positive feedback Dresses up as, or asserts that they are a priest or mulla in an attempt to pay less for the car Is a young driver who just passed his test looking to buy a cheap old car, rice http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice it up, and show off to thier friends. Quite likely to wreck it in a month.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks again... Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear like a dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: This understanding is still just a work in progress. As is mine. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. And I do so maintain. I've been on courses with meditators practicing more focused forms of meditation (and some less focused, in the sense that when it comes to 'effortlessness' there isn't even a mantra or other object of focus to 'come back to') and never seen any of the spaced-outednessitude we came to take for granted on TM rounding courses. I am still a believer -- when it comes to meditation -- that a technique that is supposed to make you more focused and coherent and here and now in the moment should do that when you're doing a LOT of it. That has been my experience on some of the retreats I've been on. On one there was a legitimate emergency, a canyon fire (which travel at the speed of 60mph) was reported only a few miles from where we were meditating 8-12 hours a day. No asanas, no round- ing, just meditating. No one had the least bit of problem with pulling it together and getting ready to leave if the winds had shifted and aimed the fire in our direction (they didn't). When it became obvious that we were not in the fire path, several of us volunteered to drive over to the rescue center and volunteer, going about helping those who were not so fortunate. Can you imagine TM meditators doing this if it had happened on a course near them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This understanding is still just a work in progress. As is mine. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. And I do so maintain. I've been on courses with meditators practicing more focused forms of meditation (and some less focused, in the sense that when it comes to 'effortlessness' there isn't even a mantra or other object of focus to 'come back to') and never seen any of the spaced-outednessitude we came to take for granted on TM rounding courses. I am still a believer -- when it comes to meditation -- that a technique that is supposed to make you more focused and coherent and here and now in the moment should do that when you're doing a LOT of it. That has been my experience on some of the retreats I've been on. On one there was a legitimate emergency, a canyon fire (which travel at the speed of 60mph) was reported only a few miles from where we were meditating 8-12 hours a day. No asanas, no round- ing, just meditating. No one had the least bit of problem with pulling it together and getting ready to leave if the winds had shifted and aimed the fire in our direction (they didn't). When it became obvious that we were not in the fire path, several of us volunteered to drive over to the rescue center and volunteer, going about helping those who were not so fortunate. Can you imagine TM meditators doing this if it had happened on a course near them? Ah, it's academic as the profound field of coherence would keep the flames away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. I believe your brain and mine are similar in this regard. If you transcend into what Maharishi called bliss consciousness you are giving your brain such a high reward it forgets everything else. This is just Maharishi's teaching. But you raise an interesting point that perhaps there is a difference between the kind of brain that would go into a sidhaland or Purusha and someone who has integrated TM into their life the way you have. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. It is a core part of his message I don't know how you missed it. We go to bliss consciousness and establish ourselves in that to give us complete fulfillment which bypasses the whole action for achievement for fulfillment cycle. It is actually taught in 3 days checking. Where I differ with his teaching is that he thinks this automatically makes people better at and more dynamic in activity and I don't. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? I lived with thousands of meditators while in the movement. I have seen many meditators reactions to missing meditation. Discussed many with my own TM students. I have discussed the experiences of dozens of people who quit TM as I did. As well as some who have gone back and forth as I have. But your question is valid. And I don't have an answer for you, I am just presenting my view and believe it does not only apply to me. Skip afternoon meditation for a week and see how tired you get around meditation time. When you are conditioned to get this state your brains begins to need it. After a week or so off TM you mind recovers and you no longer feel tired in the afternoon. When I get addicted to TM I crave the state. YMMV. In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) This is my current working model of understanding. I don't doubt that others will see it differently. I believe that we all share a similar physiology. Your criticism could equally apply to anyone making any claim about what meditation does for people. I am trying to explain what I believe is the underlying mechanism in the brain functioning. It is my alternative model to Maharishi's. I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. I don't know how many times you have gone off and on TM. This insight came to me after I had done that a few times. But your general question of what part of this is just personal seems valid. That is true of most inductive reasoning. How man examples are enough? But people may have completely different experiences with TM just as all brains don't react to cocaine the same. Some people dive in and become addicts and some say that was annoying. I appreciate your points though and will give them more thought. I am just trying to figure this out and this is what I have so far. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: You expressed the other ways they could have handled this situation really well Ann. It is a very positive way to look at the alternatives to excommunication. Your options treated him like a valuable resource rather then something expendable. I look back at my time at MIU really fondly. Remember walking back to the frats at night and seeing thousands of fireflies in the darkness almost merge at the horizon with all those big sky stars? Did you and Lenny used to walk around the reservoir? I have so many great memories cross country skiing around it in the Winter and running around it in the Summer. The earth smelled good to me, including the bovine contributions. The potent combination of being so young and idealistic and being part of such a cause albeit full of the naivete of solving all the worlds problems was a great bridge of idealism into adult life. Once I shook some of the bullshit out of my boots that is! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Me: I loved being sober at MIU. It was a fantastic college experience for me and I can relate to your points. But this still reveals a real flaw in the ideal education. They still have the same solution to kids smoking pot that was popular in prep schools in the early 70's: throw the bum out. See, now the school is drug free! It is lame. Especially for a technique that claims to evolve people out of wanting to get high. And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual thing.) They know they are not on the cusp of any breakthrough. Remember how it was for us? People in Switzerland were flying...so we were told. People talked to squirrels. (According to Jonathan Shear) Larry Domash found his lost pen magically!) They were heady times and we were on the cusp of something amazing. So it really wasn't much of a stretch for me to give up drugs. But I pushed the boundaries appropriate to my age. I did things that got kids kicked out in later years. Skinny dipping co-ed at Lake Keosauqua and the reservoir and dorm showers...and anywhere else I could get young ladies to serve up the simplest form of undress. These kids know everything. They know Maharishi banged young white girls. We thought he was a God. They just don't have the context we had. But more than that. Any school who deals with kids smoking pot by saying we can't help you get your shit and leave is lame IMO. And that is even institutions that don't sprinkle on the ideals like powdered sugar on french toast. (Use day old Challah bread) They have exposed that they are just another strict Christian school who can't handle any kid's rebellion. Our class was the first one at MIU with actual kids, not TM teachers. The class was much more indoctrinated than some of these kids. So yeah, I get that we loved our drug-free MIU. And I get it that these are the rules of the group and they SHOULD know them. As I said in an earlier post, the part of your brain that actually allow us to foresee the consequences of our actions is physically NOT developed till 26. And society expectations of them being responsible don't change that. (BTW society actually preys on this when we send young people to war. There is a reason for that.) When I was at MIU there were off-the-program students smoking pot and drinking. It had nothing to do with me and my choices. They kept it on the down-low and it was none of my business. I think Dennis Ramondi was very compassionate toward us that we were all growing and none of us was ideal anything. MIU is a buzz kill, and I wound never recommend smoking weed there. But is this is their answer to the drug problem, then they really aren't adding anything new are they? First, it was great to read some of those old names, the past incidents, the feel of the place back when we were there that you described so well just now. And while it is stereotypical to idealize 'the good old days' I feel that, in some fundamental way, they REALLY were just that. I agree with you that enough history has past that the naive idealism we all held about enlightenment and the sidhis and just the newness of the place seems but a pipe dream now. However, it does not take away from our perceived reality
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Thanks for posting that video of me Nabbie, great song. I wasn't putting Charles Lloyd down, I love the guy. But he did do a series or music to a killer whale he was rehabilitating that he played for us at MIU. It is actually a beautiful story of human whale interaction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual thing.) We have a busker singing like a hog being slaughtered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5mc2T8g68M and we have a real musician, in this case the fellow Curtis tries to ridicule, Charles Lloyd (that's how his name is spelled), with his own unique sound on the saxophone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XLWO1fA_TQ Peanuts and Pineapples I know, yet I'm confident the viewers are able to make their own decisions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This understanding is still just a work in progress. As is mine. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. And I do so maintain. I've been on courses with meditators practicing more focused forms of meditation (and some less focused, in the sense that when it comes to 'effortlessness' there isn't even a mantra or other object of focus to 'come back to') and never seen any of the spaced-outednessitude we came to take for granted on TM rounding courses. I am still a believer -- when it comes to meditation -- that a technique that is supposed to make you more focused and coherent and here and now in the moment should do that when you're doing a LOT of it. That has been my experience on some of the retreats I've been on. On one there was a legitimate emergency, a canyon fire (which travel at the speed of 60mph) was reported only a few miles from where we were meditating 8-12 hours a day. No asanas, no round- ing, just meditating. No one had the least bit of problem with pulling it together and getting ready to leave if the winds had shifted and aimed the fire in our direction (they didn't). When it became obvious that we were not in the fire path, several of us volunteered to drive over to the rescue center and volunteer, going about helping those who were not so fortunate. Can you imagine TM meditators doing this if it had happened on a course near them? Ah, it's academic as the profound field of coherence would keep the flames away. Didn't the San Jacinto TM facility burn down in a canyon fire? I seem to remember hearing that it did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I call you on it, I'm a dick? OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to Curtis logic: I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN GO. Really, its true because I said it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are attacking me personally. I'm sorry, Curtis, but I overwhelmingly favor reality. Sincerely, Your Dick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks again... Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear like a dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This understanding is still just a work in progress. As is mine. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. And I do so maintain. I've been on courses with meditators practicing more focused forms of meditation (and some less focused, in the sense that when it comes to 'effortlessness' there isn't even a mantra or other object of focus to 'come back to') and never seen any of the spaced-outednessitude we came to take for granted on TM rounding courses. I am still a believer -- when it comes to meditation -- that a technique that is supposed to make you more focused and coherent and here and now in the moment should do that when you're doing a LOT of it. That has been my experience on some of the retreats I've been on. On one there was a legitimate emergency, a canyon fire (which travel at the speed of 60mph) was reported only a few miles from where we were meditating 8-12 hours a day. No asanas, no round- ing, just meditating. No one had the least bit of problem with pulling it together and getting ready to leave if the winds had shifted and aimed the fire in our direction (they didn't). When it became obvious that we were not in the fire path, several of us volunteered to drive over to the rescue center and volunteer, going about helping those who were not so fortunate. Can you imagine TM meditators doing this if it had happened on a course near them? Ah, it's academic as the profound field of coherence would keep the flames away. Didn't the San Jacinto TM facility burn down in a canyon fire? I seem to remember hearing that it did. Now you see why your house should face east!
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I call you on it, I'm a dick? OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to Curtis logic: I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN GO. Really, its true because I said it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are attacking me personally. I'm sorry, Curtis, but I overwhelmingly favor reality. Sincerely, Your Dick OK, I'm a casual observer in this one who has just read the posts concerned and can't see any BS from Curtis. Just an opinion that you obviously disaproved of. You do this a lot when someone takes a different line to the one you have chosen. It makes me think your enlightenment is a bit on the fragile side, it's too easy to bruise your ego and send you over the top. It'd be OK if you kept to the point but you don't. Where is this pristine emptiness of which you speak? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks again... Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear like a dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Didn't the San Jacinto TM facility burn down in a canyon fire? I seem to remember hearing that it did. LOL!!! Yes, it did -- *36* years ago!! About seven years *after* you left TM...and as Barry The Great is so proud of stating, *Never Looked Back* - How can you just lie to yourself like that? To have this macho image of yourself, who, 007-like, silently and swiftly, Left TM Behind? I would think you'd be embarrassed about it. Don't you know the rest of us see right through the posturing? On the one hand, Big Barry, who LEFT-AND-NEVER-LOOKED-BACK, while the reality is you've got a permanently twisted neck from doing just that. Anyway, that is why you are a source of amazement to so many here, Barry. Your insecurities trump even your sense of personal shame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
The only emotion uglier in a man than in a woman is jealousy. -- attributed to Oscar Wilde --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Didn't the San Jacinto TM facility burn down in a canyon fire? I seem to remember hearing that it did. LOL!!! Yes, it did -- *36* years ago!! About seven years *after* you left TM...and as Barry The Great is so proud of stating, *Never Looked Back* - How can you just lie to yourself like that? To have this macho image of yourself, who, 007-like, silently and swiftly, Left TM Behind? I would think you'd be embarrassed about it. Don't you know the rest of us see right through the posturing? On the one hand, Big Barry, who LEFT-AND-NEVER-LOOKED- BACK, while the reality is you've got a permanently twisted neck from doing just that. Anyway, that is why you are a source of amazement to so many here, Barry. Your insecurities trump even your sense of personal shame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
This is what Curtis said, and Judy challenged: And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. 'nuff said. I'm quite surprised I had to point it out to you. Also, enlightened people, contrary to a lot of beliefs, don't act like pleasant eunuchs. All of them I have met have pretty normal personalities. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I call you on it, I'm a dick? OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to Curtis logic: I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN GO. Really, its true because I said it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are attacking me personally. I'm sorry, Curtis, but I overwhelmingly favor reality. Sincerely, Your Dick OK, I'm a casual observer in this one who has just read the posts concerned and can't see any BS from Curtis. Just an opinion that you obviously disaproved of. You do this a lot when someone takes a different line to the one you have chosen. It makes me think your enlightenment is a bit on the fragile side, it's too easy to bruise your ego and send you over the top. It'd be OK if you kept to the point but you don't. Where is this pristine emptiness of which you speak? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks again... Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear like a dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies. -- attributed to Oscar Wilde --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The only emotion uglier in a man than in a woman is jealousy. -- attributed to Oscar Wilde --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Didn't the San Jacinto TM facility burn down in a canyon fire? I seem to remember hearing that it did. LOL!!! Yes, it did -- *36* years ago!! About seven years *after* you left TM...and as Barry The Great is so proud of stating, *Never Looked Back* - How can you just lie to yourself like that? To have this macho image of yourself, who, 007-like, silently and swiftly, Left TM Behind? I would think you'd be embarrassed about it. Don't you know the rest of us see right through the posturing? On the one hand, Big Barry, who LEFT-AND-NEVER-LOOKED- BACK, while the reality is you've got a permanently twisted neck from doing just that. Anyway, that is why you are a source of amazement to so many here, Barry. Your insecurities trump even your sense of personal shame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I call you on it, I'm a dick? OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to Curtis logic: I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN GO. Really, its true because I said it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are attacking me personally. Jim attacking me personally in his post: with a wounded and fearful heart. from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy dense old men propped up by a bloated ego a couple of spinster aunts All because I expressed my opinion about a meditation practice that I taught, and still practice. You weren't calling me on anything Jim, you were name calling. Judy was challenging my view respectfully while making some of her own POV known. Her post is the contrast. This is a pattern with you Jim. We have been down this road so many times before. You are one of the least tolerant people of opposing viewpoints on TM on the board. And the most emotionally reactive. And I'll bet that you can't articulate my points to demonstrate that you even understood what I wrote before you went into over-reaction, kill-the-messenger mode. I'm sorry, Curtis, but I overwhelmingly favor reality. Sincerely, Your Dick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks again... Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear like a dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) I ask because none of what you describe resembles my own experience. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
I wasn't attacking you, my dear. Merely presenting a POV, an opinion, a different perspective, a way of seeing things that most people miss. Oh no, my dear Curtis, you are mistaken. The subjective reality you have experienced is but a figment of your unconscious mind and belief system. An epistemological artifact. There is nothing dissonant at all about what I wrote! Of course I am bullshitting you above, just as I see you creating a double standard between what you will tolerate from me, vs. others more sympathetic to your point of view. So, sure, call me out, Curtis. Wow, what a man. What principles you express by doing so! Give us a break. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I call you on it, I'm a dick? OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to Curtis logic: I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN GO. Really, its true because I said it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are attacking me personally. Jim attacking me personally in his post: with a wounded and fearful heart. from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy dense old men propped up by a bloated ego a couple of spinster aunts All because I expressed my opinion about a meditation practice that I taught, and still practice. You weren't calling me on anything Jim, you were name calling. Judy was challenging my view respectfully while making some of her own POV known. Her post is the contrast. This is a pattern with you Jim. We have been down this road so many times before. You are one of the least tolerant people of opposing viewpoints on TM on the board. And the most emotionally reactive. And I'll bet that you can't articulate my points to demonstrate that you even understood what I wrote before you went into over-reaction, kill-the-messenger mode. I'm sorry, Curtis, but I overwhelmingly favor reality. Sincerely, Your Dick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Without anything specific to refute or correct the old personal attacks again... Check out Judy's response which has many good points of challenge for me to think about. What have you accomplished here other than to appear like a dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Just like Barry, Curtis has his secret stash of data, on the rest of us, scrupulously compiled with a wounded and fearful heart. Every time Curtis gets bent out of shape, he starts up with his, maybe red is blue, act, and determines all sorts of scientific truths about TM and Maharishi, from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy. Sorry guys - I have come across a lot of dense old men - those continuously ready to see the problem always out there, propped up by a bloated ego. And it gets really tiresome. I get the oddest picture when Barry and Curtis team up - a couple of spinster aunts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Oh you cute little weasel, you - You're off spinning your BS, and when I call you on it, I'm a dick? OK, Curtis, we'll play this, according to Curtis logic: I just heard that red lights NOW MEAN GO. Really, its true because I said it is, and I have experience with traffic lights, and if you propose a reason that I may be pulling this out of my butt, it means you are attacking me personally. Jim attacking me personally in his post: with a wounded and fearful heart. from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy dense old men propped up by a bloated ego a couple of spinster aunts All because I expressed my opinion about a meditation practice that I taught, and still practice. You weren't calling me on anything Jim, you were name calling. Judy was challenging my view respectfully while making some of her own POV known. Her post is the contrast. This is a pattern with you Jim. We have been down this road so many times before. You are one of the least tolerant people of opposing viewpoints on TM on the board. And the most emotionally reactive. And I'll bet that you can't articulate my points to demonstrate that you even understood what I wrote before you went into over-reaction, kill-the-messenger mode. Articluate *your* points? Jimbo isn't bright enough to understand that by countering my Oscar Wilde quote with the one he chose he was *complimenting* both of us. Between him and Nabby lately, the women are seriously lagging behind in the Miss FFL Vindictive Drama Queen Contest. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. I believe your brain and mine are similar in this regard. If you transcend into what Maharishi called bliss consciousness you are giving your brain such a high reward it forgets everything else. During meditation, yes. This is just Maharishi's teaching. But you raise an interesting point that perhaps there is a difference between the kind of brain that would go into a sidhaland or Purusha and someone who has integrated TM into their life the way you have. Yes, perhaps there is, TM being for householders and all. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. It is a core part of his message I don't know how you missed it. Yeah, I don't think so, Curtis. Certainly I didn't hear it during *my* three days' checking, and I never heard it subsequently, either. I think you must be misinterpreting something, or expressing it badly. We go to bliss consciousness and establish ourselves in that to give us complete fulfillment which bypasses the whole action for achievement for fulfillment cycle. It is actually taught in 3 days checking. You didn't include action in what you said above. With action, you might invoke Do less and accomplish more/ Do nothing and accomplish everything to make your point. But what you said to start with sounds as if you meant there was no *accomplishment* involved. And then there's the old 200 percent of life, and the idea that you don't meditate for the sake of meditation but for fulfillment *in activity*. The impression you've been conveying is that you just sit around in bliss rather than accomplishing anything. But that would not be an accurate picture of Maharishi's teaching (at least not his teaching to the Great TM Unwashed). Where I differ with his teaching is that he thinks this automatically makes people better at and more dynamic in activity and I don't. Well, reasonable people could disagree on this point. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. How many meditators show this? What percentage would you say? And how have you determined this? I lived with thousands of meditators while in the movement. I have seen many meditators reactions to missing meditation. Discussed many with my own TM students. I have discussed the experiences of dozens of people who quit TM as I did. As well as some who have gone back and forth as I have. But your question is valid. And I don't have an answer for you, I am just presenting my view and believe it does not only apply to me. OK. When you're addressing someone who has no experience of living or working with TMers (Emily in this case), it's really important for you to be clear that your assertions reflect your own views and beliefs, and not necessarily established fact. Skip afternoon meditation for a week and see how tired you get around meditation time. When you are conditioned to get this state your brains begins to need it. After a week or so off TM you mind recovers and you no longer feel tired in the afternoon. When I get addicted to TM I crave the state. YMMV. MMDV. Or rather, I've never gotten addicted to TM. In what follows, you shift back and forth from statements about your personal experience to general statements as to how TM affects people in general. With regard to the latter, could you explain how you've determined that these are effects common to everyone who practices TM? (Or meditation in general, depending on which you mean, which you don't always specify.) This is my current working model of understanding. I don't doubt that others will see it differently. I believe that we all share a similar physiology. Your criticism
[FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013
Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip And I do so maintain. I've been on courses with meditators practicing more focused forms of meditation (and some less focused, in the sense that when it comes to 'effortlessness' there isn't even a mantra or other object of focus to 'come back to') and never seen any of the spaced-outednessitude we came to take for granted on TM rounding courses. I am still a believer -- when it comes to meditation -- that a technique that is supposed to make you more focused and coherent and here and now in the moment should do that when you're doing a LOT of it. Reasonable people might disagree about this; there doesn't seem to be any good reason for believing it unless you're doing a LOT of meditation under circumstances in which being more focused and coherent and 'here and now' in the moment is important. Rounding courses don't meet that criterion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Hijacks Achievment? [was MUM kid expelled for pot....]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. Curtis, I found this little post really interesting. While I found TM blissful to some extent, and the tendency to want to be regular on that basis, there was always in the 'back of my mind' a remembrance of the experiences that led me into meditation, which were, for want of a better way to say it, 'mini-awakenings', brief flashes of insight. The memory of these experiences acted as a kind of mental rudder in what developed subsequently in experience. After about a half-decade of meditation an experience similar to the description of CC developed. One day it vanished. I did not even realise it had vanished. Several months went by, and one morning I awoke and realised that the inner silence was completely absent. The witnessing was just gone. Now I continued to meditate, but that experience never returned; something like it developed, almost like a ghost, a sense that whatever meditation was doing, it was not localised as a still awareness inside. Also during this period, which lasted a long time, my attention, which for most of my previous life had been pretty inner directed - not because I was spiritual, but because I liked to think about things and lived in my head a lot - pretty much went to things outside, girls, food, movies. There were certain kinds of spiritual yearnings, what I think were the remains of early religious programming, and these became rather diffused over time. Sometime before 1990, those yearnings came to an end: they just stopped dead. I continued to meditate, all the while grumbling about it not working out. That CC experience had been very intriguing, a sense of interior invulnerability walled off from the world, and being identified with it rather than the ego, which nonetheless continued to seem to be real as a sense of a separate entity. By the mid 1990s my ties to the movement pretty much ended; I seem to have survived primarily on luck. During this whole period after the first five years of meditation, I did not round much, and even if I had the opportunity, I did not always take it up. By the mid-2000s something odd happened, life seemed, psychologically, to be easier. I was unemployed at the time, it just seemed I was lucky. I am not saying here I was somehow in accord with the laws of nature and they were supporting me. It was more just dumb luck. There was also a sign of some shift in meditation, the tendency to not want to pick up the mantra, but just to sit quietly. After a couple of years, I developed a strange unrest - I kept remembering an event from the early 1970s, over and over, day
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: This is what Curtis said, and Judy challenged: And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. 'nuff said. I'm quite surprised I had to point it out to you. Also, enlightened people, contrary to a lot of beliefs, don't act like pleasant eunuchs. All of them I have met have pretty normal personalities. Hmmm, I think I know normal when I see it. It tends not to stand out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off of practicing TM? I don't. Emily can figure out for herself if TM is for her. But here I have a chance to express what I really think about it outside the PR angle that some person might get turned off to TM by me being honest about my POV on meditation. It is a fascinating area for me and the jury is not in about any of it. I have come to believe that certain experiences of heightened states of bliss are not productive. I am trying to understand how it was so easy for me to drop out of the sidhis and never want to do them again. I got intense pleasure from the sidhis. But now that kind of experience has zero appeal. How can this be if it was the highest experience of my life? The reason is that now I get my inner states of joy from achievements and creative expression. I have switched my source of similar brain states of peak experiences. I am no longer attracted to states of content free pleasure from any source. But your post balances out my view quite nicely for people who are evaluating if they should try TM here. I don't have a problem with what you brought out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. I believe your brain and mine are similar in this regard. If you transcend into what Maharishi called bliss consciousness you are giving your brain such a high reward it forgets everything else. During meditation, yes. This is just Maharishi's teaching. But you raise an interesting point that perhaps there is a difference between the kind of brain that would go into a sidhaland or Purusha and someone who has integrated TM into their life the way you have. Yes, perhaps there is, TM being for householders and all. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. It is a core part of his message I don't know how you missed it. Yeah, I don't think so, Curtis. Certainly I didn't hear it during *my* three days' checking, and I never heard it subsequently, either. I think you must be misinterpreting something, or expressing it badly. We go to bliss consciousness and establish ourselves in that to give us complete fulfillment which bypasses the whole action for achievement for fulfillment cycle. It is actually taught in 3 days checking. You didn't include action in what you said above. With action, you might
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Hijacks Achievment? [was MUM kid expelled for pot....]
That post made it completely worth the time it took for me to write my own to serve as your writing prompt. Fascinating, thoughtful post. I'll read it a few times, but thanks for such an honest description of your own relationship with meditation and different states of consciousness. Your post was FFL at its best! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. Curtis, I found this little post really interesting. While I found TM blissful to some extent, and the tendency to want to be regular on that basis, there was always in the 'back of my mind' a remembrance of the experiences that led me into meditation, which were, for want of a better way to say it, 'mini-awakenings', brief flashes of insight. The memory of these experiences acted as a kind of mental rudder in what developed subsequently in experience. After about a half-decade of meditation an experience similar to the description of CC developed. One day it vanished. I did not even realise it had vanished. Several months went by, and one morning I awoke and realised that the inner silence was completely absent. The witnessing was just gone. Now I continued to meditate, but that experience never returned; something like it developed, almost like a ghost, a sense that whatever meditation was doing, it was not localised as a still awareness inside. Also during this period, which lasted a long time, my attention, which for most of my previous life had been pretty inner directed - not because I was spiritual, but because I liked to think about things and lived in my head a lot - pretty much went to things outside, girls, food, movies. There were certain kinds of spiritual yearnings, what I think were the remains of early religious programming, and these became rather diffused over time. Sometime before 1990, those yearnings came to an end: they just stopped dead. I continued to meditate, all the while grumbling about it not working out. That CC experience had been very intriguing, a sense of interior invulnerability walled off from the world, and being identified with it rather than the ego, which nonetheless continued to seem to be real as a sense of a separate entity. By the mid 1990s my ties to the movement pretty much ended; I seem to have survived primarily on luck. During this whole period after the first five years of meditation, I did not round much, and even if I had the opportunity, I did not always take it up. By the mid-2000s something odd
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. When did he say this? Do you have a quote? Was this one of the secret teachings just for teachers? Because I sure don't remember having heard him say it. Anybody else remember Maharishi saying this was his goal? Well, I think this is a pretty easy one. What the mind seeks is Sat Chit Ananda. This is the fullfillment of all activity. Let me see if I can pull this up again. Thought leads to action. Action leads to achievement. Achievement leads to fullfillment. Fullfillment is what the mind finds in pure conscioussness. So yes, in this way, the mind finds ultimate fullfillment in sat chit ananda, which is what we experience in pure conscioussness. Or so the theory goes, and I think it makes sense. Another analogy which was used was the taste of honey on the tongue, and how any other sweetness fails to register much. In the same way, the mind finds it's greatest fullfillment in the experience of pure bliss, experienced during deep meditation. Or so the story goes. And then eventually through the experience of that state alternated with activity, that state of sat chit ananda remains with us, so that the goal of activity is present througout all of activity. Or so the story goes. I like the story by the way. It's supposed to have a happy ending. I'm still working on that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013
Wonder if the planets are favorable for such (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
you are a stand out person nablusoss. I get the feeling that the faint level of feeling that's supposed to get nourished by meditation got deprived of oxygen somehow. I am not sure anyone reading you fare here wouldn't just look at what you recommend and run hard in the opposite direction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual thing.) We have a busker singing like a hog being slaughtered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5mc2T8g68M and we have a real musician, in this case the fellow Curtis tries to ridicule, Charles Lloyd (that's how his name is spelled), with his own unique sound on the saxophone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XLWO1fA_TQ Peanuts and Pineapples I know, yet I'm confident the viewers are able to make their own decisions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Jim attacking me personally in his post: with a wounded and fearful heart. from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy dense old men propped up by a bloated ego a couple of spinster aunts He sums you up pretty well, don't you think ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Since you like to post my art to be judged here, how about putting up a link to your photos? I'll bet I would give them a much fairer evaluation than you have my music. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Jim attacking me personally in his post: with a wounded and fearful heart. from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy dense old men propped up by a bloated ego a couple of spinster aunts He sums you up pretty well, don't you think ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Just the last few days I've been talking about addictions with a friend and I've been thinking about them even longer. I'm not an expert but it seems that even addicts who are addicted to an activity like shopping or gambling or reading romance novels, such addicts are really addicted to whatever chemical in their body that that activity releases. So for example, let's say a gambling addict could tell somehow when their craving for that activity was reaching a dangerously high level because the concomitant chemical was reaching a dangerously low level. Instead of going to the local casino, what if there was some way they could release that craved chemical in their own body without ever going to the casino? I suppose the irony of this whole conversation for me is that I was a heavy dope smoker right up until the week I learned TM. The teacher said we should avoid recreational drugs for two weeks before we learn as they interfere with the process. Which came as a bit of a shock as smoking dope was like breathing to me but I wanted to do it right and complied. I had such a good initial experience that I was transformed into a raging Buddha overnight. After the 2nd day of checking I went out for a pint with some of my droogs and realised that drinking spoiled the effect of a natural high I got from TM but when I tried a joint it was like every cell in my brain went buzzy and cloudy, totally undermining my new found self. Nasty enough for me to hand it back and say No way! That was it for both of my main avenues of pleasure. Dropped at once by instinct. I never said never again, indeed my mates who knew me rather well, gave it six weeks at the outside. 20 years later and I've forgotten what it all felt like. What is strange to me then is how these kids, or anyone, can enjoy dope and TM. To me they simply did not mix, are the MUM stoners totally OTP? Or was my reaction OTT? Has anyone else successfully done both? I never drank beer, until after I learned TM, and I discovered that the shutdown of experience with alcohol - just a single bottle - was unpleasant. Other recreational drugs I used only a few times in the first year of meditation, and stopped. I have mostly had non-alcoholic beverages for many decades, but in the past few weeks I have gotten a taste for Guinness, and it does not seem to have much effect, if at all, on my mental state, I do not experience the depressing shutdown sensation I had years ago, but I never have more than a single bottle a day. And I do not have it if I am going to drive anywhere, as it has been shown experimentally that a blood alcohol level of 0.02 is enough to impair coordination.
Re: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013
The Moon would need to be in favorable sign. ;-) On 03/09/2013 01:45 PM, Share Long wrote: Wonder if the planets are favorable for such (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Naked Bike Ride 2013
I didn't know they had this event here in SF. Yes, I just bought a mountain bike last month. But, NO I won't be riding in the event, believe it or not. FWIW, it's not officially spring. The vernal equinox won't happen until March 20, 2013. As I remember, they run naked in Seattle on that day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Hijacks Achievment? [was MUM kid expelled for pot....]
Well Xeno here I am again, awash in the clear blue waters of your writing. Hanging on to my question like a branch I grabbed as it floated by: If indeed you lose instead the pursuit of an unreal dream how is it that you still have what you call pesky delusions and residual delusional thinking? Maybe the delusion is thinking they're delusions (-: Am I being nit picky? From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation Hijacks Achievment? [was MUM kid expelled for pot] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. And this was Maharishi's stated goal, fulfillment divorced from achievement. If you keep mediating you cultivate the mind to trigger highly pleasurable states. It becomes very addictive. Many meditators show signs of extreme irritation if they miss a mediation once they get hooked on it just like any other addict. So IMO mediation can become a problem like any other form of hijacking the pleasure states, meant to reward our species for doing things that promote our survival or express our creativity. I believe there is no neuronal free lunch, every pleasure state has a cost. Of course this is a highly heretical view in circles where regular meditation and more meditation are both seen as only positives. But for me the balance is trickier. I use meditation when I need some of what it does for my brain, but regular meditation just leads to me getting hooked on the mental states it produces. And for me these states do not produce my optimum functioning. They are as advertized, very charming to our minds. But they can easily lead to an end in themselves since our brains are inherently lazy and getting the quick reward is neurologically preferred. Unfortunately that does not lead to my fullest creative potential any more than hitting the slot lever again and again. Although they say that meditation is a preparation for activity, and I don't doubt that for really impulsive people it is a real benefit, for people like me who have perhaps cultivated this functioning a bit too much, it can become a real distraction. I get a lot more done with my eyes opened! This understanding is still just a work in progress. I am fascinated that some like Barry maintain that other forms of meditation do no exhibit some of what I see as downsides of TM's passive bliss states style. Curtis, I found this little post really interesting. While I found TM blissful to some extent, and the tendency to want to be regular on that basis, there was always in the 'back of my mind' a remembrance of the experiences that led me into meditation, which were, for want of a better way to say it, 'mini-awakenings', brief flashes of insight. The memory of these experiences acted as a kind of mental rudder in what developed subsequently in experience. After about a half-decade of meditation an experience similar to the description of CC developed. One day it vanished. I did not even realise it had vanished. Several months went by, and one morning I awoke and realised that the inner silence was completely absent. The witnessing was just gone. Now I continued to meditate, but that experience never returned; something like it developed, almost like a ghost, a sense that whatever meditation was doing, it was not localised as a still awareness inside. Also during this period, which lasted a long time, my attention, which for most of my previous life had been pretty inner directed - not because I was spiritual, but because I liked to think about things and lived in my head a lot - pretty much went to things outside, girls, food, movies. There were certain kinds of spiritual yearnings, what I think were the remains of early religious programming, and these became rather diffused over time. Sometime before 1990, those yearnings came to an end: they just stopped dead. I continued to meditate, all the while grumbling about it not working out. That CC experience had been very intriguing, a sense of interior invulnerability walled off from the world, and being identified with it rather than the ego, which nonetheless continued to seem to be real as a sense of a separate entity. By the mid 1990s my ties to the movement pretty much ended; I seem to have survived primarily on luck. During this whole period after the first five
Re: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013
And maybe even exalted (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 The Moon would need to be in favorable sign. ;-) On 03/09/2013 01:45 PM, Share Long wrote: Wonder if the planets are favorable for such (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Naked Bike Ride 2013
Saturn and Rahu are both in Libra at this time. They are in the 8th house from the 4th house of the USA chart. That's why Kim Jong Un threatened the USA with a nuclear attack. But apparently some people here in SF don't give a bleep about what he thinks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Wonder if the planets are favorable for such (-: From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 Â Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Naked Bike Ride 2013
NO, it'll be once in a Blue Moon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: And maybe even exalted (-: From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 Â The Moon would need to be in favorable sign. ;-) On 03/09/2013 01:45 PM, Share Long wrote: Wonder if the planets are favorable for such (-: From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] World Naked Bike Ride 2013 Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. In a Siddhaland-type context, sure. But you didn't specify that to begin with. It sounded as though you were speaking generally. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off of practicing TM? I don't. Emily can figure out for herself if TM is for her. But here I have a chance to express what I really think about it outside the PR angle that some person might get turned off to TM by me being honest about my POV on meditation. Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. It is a fascinating area for me and the jury is not in about any of it. I have come to believe that certain experiences of heightened states of bliss are not productive. For you. I am trying to understand how it was so easy for me to drop out of the sidhis and never want to do them again. I got intense pleasure from the sidhis. But now that kind of experience has zero appeal. How can this be if it was the highest experience of my life? The reason is that now I get my inner states of joy from achievements and creative expression. I have switched my source of similar brain states of peak experiences. I am no longer attracted to states of content free pleasure from any source. One might ask whether it's possible that your stint with the TM-Sidhis increased your capacity to get inner states of joy from achievements and creative expression. But your post balances out my view quite nicely for people who are evaluating if they should try TM here. I don't have a problem with what you brought out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Does meditation work to balance out the chemical makeup of one's physiology? Does it release our natural feel good chemicals within the body? Or, maintain balanced levels of serotonin, dopamine, etc. My experience with TM meditation and its associated practices is that it is a way to hijack our usual brain reward system for achievement in our lives. Maybe this should say, ...it is a way to hijack my usual brain reward system for achievement in my life, since this is your personal experience. I believe your brain and mine are similar in this regard. If you transcend into what Maharishi called bliss consciousness you are giving your brain such a high reward it forgets everything else. During meditation, yes. This is just Maharishi's teaching. But you raise an interesting point that perhaps there is a difference between the kind of brain that would go into a sidhaland or Purusha and someone who has integrated TM into their life the way you have. Yes, perhaps there is, TM being for householders and all. And this was
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Since you like to post my art to be judged here, how about putting up a link to your photos? I'll bet I would give them a much fairer evaluation than you have my music. May I remind you that the videos you refer to was posted by yourself to be freely judged by anyone on Youtube. My work is not there or any other public forums and never will be. I sell directly to cooperate clients and use 0 public adverticing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Jim attacking me personally in his post: with a wounded and fearful heart. from his crippled emotional state. He and Barry need therapy dense old men propped up by a bloated ego a couple of spinster aunts He sums you up pretty well, don't you think ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over-involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. In a Siddhaland-type context, sure. But you didn't specify that to begin with. It sounded as though you were speaking generally. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off of practicing TM? I don't. Emily can figure out for herself if TM is for her. But here I have a chance to express what I really think about it outside the PR angle that some person might get turned off to TM by me being honest about my POV on meditation. Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. It is a fascinating area for me and the jury is not in about any of it. I have come to believe that certain experiences of heightened states of bliss are not productive. For you. I am trying to understand how it was so easy for me to drop out of the sidhis and never want to do them again. I got intense pleasure from the sidhis. But now that kind of experience has zero appeal. How can this be if it was the highest experience of my life? The reason is that now I get my inner states of joy from achievements and creative expression. I have switched my source of similar brain states of peak experiences. I am no longer attracted to states of content free pleasure from any source. One might ask whether it's possible that your stint with the TM-Sidhis increased your capacity to get inner states of joy from achievements and creative expression. But your post balances out my view quite nicely for people who are evaluating if they should try TM here. I don't have a problem with what you brought out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Naked Bike Ride 2013
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these? IMO, the biggest problem with public nudity is that the people who do it are mostly those who should really keep their clothes on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: World Naked Bike Ride 2013
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Only in San Francisco would you have such an event but it is tomorrow. Maybe John signed up for it. :-D Article on it here with some tame pictures of the event. http://sf.funcheap.com/world-naked-bike-ride-san-francisco/ One wonders if they have special bicycle seats for these? IMO, the biggest problem with public nudity is that the people who do it are mostly those who should really keep their clothes on. Lets stress the word MOSTLY: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=90d_1323635031
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids get no punishment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. The reward centers of our brains do not make the value judgements about what triggers the endorphins. Duh. Right, you do that. My point concerns the content free reward system itself. And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I saw a lot of people whose lives were a wreck from their fixation on meditation. Later after I got out I spent time with families who had been torn apart by their kids over- involvement and inability to support themselves. So the comparisons with other activities that can incapacitate people due to an uncontrollable urge like for rounding courses is not without some basis in my experience. I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. But I don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence to the contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. You said it yourself: you were/are the type of person who does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in an environment that catered to that addiction, with others who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. I think it behooves you to make this very clear when you deliver your POV, especially when you're talking to someone who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his or her own. This is not a matter of PR. This is a matter of doing one's best not to mislead people. And these levels of exposure was what Maharishi was pushing when I was involved. It was what he wanted from his teachers. Most people who start TM never get to that level of involvement. But on the other hand most people who start TM, stop TM too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ I think addiction is a tricky term to use. It's handy when you want to discourage people from trying TM or suggest there's something dangerous about it, because the term is usually pejorative; but then there's the whole positive addiction theory to be considered. I agree that addiction can be overused and misapplied. I believe in the case of TM it applies, but I get it that you do not. I think it can be considered a positive addiction for most of those who find it addicting at all. I believe it triggers a similar reward system at the synaptic level that drugs do. At least that is how I experience it. I have no objection to this as long as you make it clear it's your experience. That was how it was first pitched in the West, as a drug-free high. By the TMO? Of course, when you cite cocaine addiction as if it were similar to addiction to TM, your intention to load your argument becomes obvious. We were discussing it in the context of all sorts of things people can be addicted to including gambling. Also a negative addiction. And there are many valid distinctions to draw between them. But my focus was just on the brain reward system aspect. With meditation it is so high that it can lead to people being satisfied just meditating. That was Guru Dev's life before he hit the Shankaracharya lottery right? And he is far from the only one. It was how I lived at sidhaland. We switched the balance there from meditating for activity to just acting as much as we had to to get back to program. It was all Maharishi directed and it went on for 3 years for me. So I am not overstating the case of how absorbed you can get with these euphoric states of mind. In a Siddhaland-type context, sure. But you didn't specify that to begin with. It sounded as though you were speaking generally. Do you think I have an agenda to turn people off of practicing TM? I don't. Emily can figure out for herself if TM is for her. But here I have a chance to express what I really think about it outside the PR angle that some person might get turned off to TM by me being honest about my POV on meditation. Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison with cocaine and gambling. That goes beyond just being honest about your own POV. It is a fascinating area for me and the jury is not in about any of it. I have come to believe that certain experiences of heightened states of bliss are not productive. For you. I am trying to understand how it was so easy for me to drop out of the sidhis and never want to do them again. I got intense pleasure from the sidhis. But now that kind of experience has zero appeal. How can this be if it was the highest experience of my life? The reason is that now I get my inner states of joy from
