[FairfieldLife] True that!

[turquoiseb]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> ..a sign a sign--sigh
> Still searching, rotating, looking out; no means to tell the way.
> So You drift with every wind, more helpless day by day.
> 
> Now , pondering,then pausing- opening up…a prompting, "Look
> above".
> What yonder sky there, a wisp of white, a sign of hope: a dove.
> 
> For all humans: those who care
> Whose life is more than living
> Whose walk is more than walking:
> Pedestrians beware:
>   It's never a good sign when you find yourself writing 
> poems and wanting to cuddle the escort you hired

It's always fun to watch the fantasies people trot
out when I mention a woman here on FFL. I would have
to say that their reactions describe their limitations
and their proclivities far better than mine. :-)

Remember when Edg went insane over me talking to a 
young girl and started projecting *his* way of dealing
with women onto me? Me, I just had drinks and a lovely
conversation into the wee hours with another young
woman (well, younger than me, anyway...50, looking 40 
at most in that way that French women do so well). She
is very nice, and has that rarest of qualities -- 
being rich without being obnoxious or condescending. 
She liked a book proposal I sent her some time ago,
and wrote saying she always wanted to meet me. Now
she has. Something may come of it, something may not,
but the evening was just FINE from my point of view,
and seemingly from hers. 

How many of you spent the evening sitting in the dark
in front of a glowing computer screen, fantasizing about
other people "not having lives," eh?  :-)

This IS my life. Writing for a living, writing in cafes
for fun, spending time with my family, spending time in
nature. I'd call it a Pretty Fine Life, personally. At
least I'm not pursuing some dream of "enlightenment,"
or "being part of the BEST, MOST WONDERFUL CULT
in the world," or "wanting to beconsidered an 'authority'
without going through the formality of actually being 
one," the things that some here seem to specialize in. 

I can't help but believe that I've got the better deal.
YMMV.  :-)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami,
> the concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you, my
> lovely, shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Ladyfriend here
> > >
> > > Looking hot
> > > even though it's cold out
> > >
> > > Given the choice
> > > of paying attention to her
> > > or Fairfield Life
> > >
> > > There is simply
> > > no choice
> > >
> > > I show her this
> > > and then sign off
> > > for the evening
> > >
> > > She smiles
> > >
> > > A good sign...
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
>
> in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or
predisposition in meditators generally against these other more
mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far.  It's
like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age
belief structures.  You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. 
Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his
spiritual revival.  Very 21st Century.
Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly
inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond.
Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a
town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens
cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round.
Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new
strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their
fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were
peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing
radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer,
guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to
Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural
protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other
more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."?
What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken
loose, that's what.
> -Buck in the Dome
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield
before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and
street-corners once upon a time.  The Christians have always been hoping
to try.  The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield.
> > -Buck in the Dome
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if
you go to a hare krishna deal?
> > > >
> > > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers
attending Hare Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating
hindoo dogma to be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life
abnegating hindoo dogma.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do the Hari's also practice a silent meditation?
> > >
> > > It is an interesting thing that for as big a movement as they are
out in the world that it took so long for them to show up in Fairfield. 
Hari Om.
> > >
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Buck
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:25 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Feast and Flight, Saturday,
May 11th
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > Dear Om Tat Sat;
> > > > It is a remarkable thing about this little town of Fairfield,
Iowa that there is so much spirituality going on all the time.  'So much
to do, so little time'.  And so many choices at any moment.  I would
love to attend your kirtan and meal.  Except that I have an obligation
to attend the May Fair today at the same time.  I may drop by your
satsang afterwards for left-overs.  This is so Fairfield.
> > > > Welcome to the spiritual marketplace which is Fairfield.
> > > > It's a joy,
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Martin A Rosenthal  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Friends:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please honor us with your presence at
> > > > > today's kirtan, lecture, and feast at 105 S 3rd Street in
> > > > > Fairfield, Iowa, beginning at noon today, Saturday, May 11th.
If you can not come in body, then come in mind in spirit in your
> > > > > heart, simply by reading the adventure below.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have promised to deliver a lecture of
> > > > > flying in the Vaishnava (those who believe in Vishnu as
supreme)
> > > > > tradition.  Here is one such example among many.  The lecture
will
> > > > > begin at 12:30, after Hare Krishna kirtan, which will begin at
12 pm. At 1:00 we shall all enjoy a six course feast of food prepared
for
> > > > > the pleasure of Krishna and offered to Him with loving
devotion.
> > > > > Once Krishna has enjoyed our offerings by His merciful glance,
it is
> > > > > transformed into Bhagavat Prasadam, which bestows love of
Krishna
> > > > > upon all who experience it.  Even those who hear with faith
about
> > > > > such a feast are elevated in Krishna Bhakti Yoga, or pure love
for
> > > > > God, Who is know in countless traditions by countless names.
> > > > >
> > > > > Recently, Krishna's Kindom of Dvaraka,
> > > > > has been discovered, off the west coast of India.
> > > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4 )
> > > > >
> > > > > Once, in truth, in Dvarak, Krishnas
> > > > > city which recently has been discovered off beneath t

[FairfieldLife] Krishna like Christian evangelizing

[Buck]

in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or predisposition 
in meditators generally against these other more mood-making or faith-based 
kinds of groups encroaching very far.  It's like the TM'ers are more scientific 
and immune from too much iron age belief structures.  You know, Maharishi did 
study a degree in physics.  Modern science and the scientific process was after 
all part of his spiritual revival.  Very 21st Century.
-Buck in the Dome  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> 
> Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield before 
> now for as hard as they have worked the airports and street-corners once upon 
> a time.  The Christians have always been hoping to try.  The Buddhists 
> however are almost non-existent in Fairfield. 
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if you go to a 
> > > hare krishna deal?
> > > 
> > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers attending Hare 
> > > Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating hindoo dogma to 
> > > be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life abnegating hindoo dogma.
> > > 
> > 
> > Do the Hari's also practice a silent meditation?
> > 
> > It is an interesting thing that for as big a movement as they are out in 
> > the world that it took so long for them to show up in Fairfield.  Hari Om.
> > 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:25 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Feast and Flight, Saturday, May 11th
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Dear Om Tat Sat;
> > > It is a remarkable thing about this little town of Fairfield, Iowa that 
> > > there is so much spirituality going on all the time.  'So much to do, so 
> > > little time'.  And so many choices at any moment.  I would love to attend 
> > > your kirtan and meal.  Except that I have an obligation to attend the May 
> > > Fair today at the same time.  I may drop by your satsang afterwards for 
> > > left-overs.  This is so Fairfield.
> > > Welcome to the spiritual marketplace which is Fairfield.
> > > It's a joy,
> > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Martin A Rosenthal  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends:
> > > > 
> > > > Please honor us with your presence at
> > > > today's kirtan, lecture, and feast at 105 S 3rd Street in
> > > > Fairfield, Iowa, beginning at noon today, Saturday, May 11th. If you 
> > > > can not come in body, then come in mind in spirit in your
> > > > heart, simply by reading the adventure below.
> > > > 
> > > > I have promised to deliver a lecture of
> > > > flying in the Vaishnava (those who believe in Vishnu as supreme)
> > > > tradition.  Here is one such example among many.  The lecture will
> > > > begin at 12:30, after Hare Krishna kirtan, which will begin at 12 pm. 
> > > > At 1:00 we shall all enjoy a six course feast of food prepared for
> > > > the pleasure of Krishna and offered to Him with loving devotion. 
> > > > Once Krishna has enjoyed our offerings by His merciful glance, it is
> > > > transformed into Bhagavat Prasadam, which bestows love of Krishna
> > > > upon all who experience it.  Even those who hear with faith about
> > > > such a feast are elevated in Krishna Bhakti Yoga, or pure love for
> > > > God, Who is know in countless traditions by countless names. 
> > > > 
> > > > Recently, Krishna's Kindom of Dvaraka,
> > > > has been discovered, off the west coast of India.
> > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4 )
> > > > 
> > > > Once, in truth, in Dvarak, Krishnas
> > > > city which recently has been discovered off beneath the sea .  India,
> > > > there lived a holy brahmana who desired to have sons.  He had eight
> > > > sons, but as soon as each was born, the infant died  In those times,
> > > > the king was considered responsible for the safety of all of his
> > > > citizens, and so the the brahmana took each of his dead infant sons
> > > > and placed them before Maharaja Ugrasena, who did all within his
> > > > power to rectify conditions within his kingdom so that such things
> > > > would not occur again; just as in the modern day saintly kings engage
> > > > their citizens in auspicious activities such as meditation upon the
> > > > Supreme, yajna to the devatas, and other pure practices which promote
> > > > the welfare of the individual and society at large.
> > > > 
> > > > But try as he may, Maharaja Ugrasenda
> > > > was unable to protect the sons of the brahmana, who therefore
> > > > concluded that the king was lax in his duties to the Lord and the
> > > > devatas but instead was enjoying his royal position only to gratify
> > > > his senses and for the pleasure of his court. 
> > > > 
> > > > Arjuna, who Krishna 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

#3 is still puzzling me Jim.

3) If I miss something this round, I'll catch it next time

If #1 is true - if your actions are perfect, implied by you not being
concerned with what you do or not do then who the fuck cares if you miss?

If #2 which is totally contradictory to #1 is true then you shouldn't miss
anything - you are so aware you will catch it, adjust and integrate.

Oh hello - you there Jim baby?



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote:

> I am pretty satiated Doc, I started the Dr Dumbass Platitude Tracker - you
> begged me for one and I am asking you to explain this
>
> "​I am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and integrating
> are constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it next time"
>
> I will try may  be you can just answer True or False to the following
>
> 1) Jim is in GC, he is not concerned with he does or not does, perfect
> action of the evolved?
> 2) Jim constantly adjusts and integrates - so evolving? Doesn't fit with #1
> 3) Jim may miss something but will catch it next time. This is much more
> wacky compared to #1 & #2. Catch it as in next life time? Next FFL Avatar?
> Or Tomorrow? After you overpost?
>
> 3 contradictory, puzzling propositions Jim baby - no I wonder I'm fucking
> dizzy.
>
> No happy ending then - right?
>
> Remember I'm no Barry - I don't hit and run, but you seem to be running
> away this time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Why the fuck should I, tough guy? I have no idea what your problem is,
>> Ravi, but I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, it ain't me. Now
>> get some sleep, sex, food, or drink, and if that doesn't do it, I am out of
>> ideas. You are becoming a pest.
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Explain this tough guy
>> >
>> > A gem right here, there's so many I felt dizzy so I got the first one -
>> "I
>> > am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and integrating
>> are
>> > constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it next time"
>> >
>> > Pray - what the fuck does this mean? Can we count on a happy ending for
>> you
>> > - like Xeno and Adyashanti's intellectual masturbation(s)?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM, doctordumbass@... <
>> > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > **
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > FOAD, Ravi! (smiley face)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > LOL Jim..I'm sorry - you are taking offense at Xeno's and
>> Adyashanti's
>> > > > platitudes? At least they are more articulate in describing their
>> > > > platitudes, at least one gets the sense that they at least come in
>> their
>> > > > intellectual masturbation.
>> > > >
>> > > > This thread is a perfect demonstration of His Stuntedness Barry
>> trumping
>> > > > over you, every fucking time, everytime he challenges you and
>> refers to
>> > > > your previous avatars as enlightened_dawn11 & sandiego108. All I
>> can feel
>> > > > is you sinking in the whirlpool of your platitudes, or clamming up
>> > > behind a
>> > > > sheath of layers of platitudes that obscures the person Jim.
>> > > >
>> > > > Your messages are a platitude treasure hunter's wildest fantasies
>> come
>> > > true
>> > > > - I didn't have to wait too long. Whatever I want for my Dr. Dumbass
>> > > > Platitude tracker is all here.
>> > > >
>> > > > God - you are fucking pathetic.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM, doctordumbass@ <
>> > > > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > **
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do.
>> > > > > Adjusting and integrating are constant, so if I missed something
>> this
>> > > > > round, I'll catch it next time. chillax, dude.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>> > > > >  wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Thank you!
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros
>> Anartaxius"
>> > > > >  wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@> >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of
>> the
>> > > > > choice we all make, once we start down the pathless path. The
>> minute
>> > > the
>> > > > > reliable transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self
>> (silence)
>> > > begin
>> > > > > duking it out for supremacy.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Only two choices:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all
>> identification, in
>> > > > > order to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards get

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

I am pretty satiated Doc, I started the Dr Dumbass Platitude Tracker - you
begged me for one and I am asking you to explain this

"​I am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and integrating
are constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it next time"

I will try may  be you can just answer True or False to the following

1) Jim is in GC, he is not concerned with he does or not does, perfect
action of the evolved?
2) Jim constantly adjusts and integrates - so evolving? Doesn't fit with #1
3) Jim may miss something but will catch it next time. This is much more
wacky compared to #1 & #2. Catch it as in next life time? Next FFL Avatar?
Or Tomorrow? After you overpost?

3 contradictory, puzzling propositions Jim baby - no I wonder I'm fucking
dizzy.

No happy ending then - right?

Remember I'm no Barry - I don't hit and run, but you seem to be running
away this time.



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <
no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Why the fuck should I, tough guy? I have no idea what your problem is,
> Ravi, but I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, it ain't me. Now
> get some sleep, sex, food, or drink, and if that doesn't do it, I am out of
> ideas. You are becoming a pest.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > Explain this tough guy
> >
> > A gem right here, there's so many I felt dizzy so I got the first one -
> "I
> > am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and integrating are
> > constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it next time"
> >
> > Pray - what the fuck does this mean? Can we count on a happy ending for
> you
> > - like Xeno and Adyashanti's intellectual masturbation(s)?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM, doctordumbass@... <
> > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > FOAD, Ravi! (smiley face)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LOL Jim..I'm sorry - you are taking offense at Xeno's and
> Adyashanti's
> > > > platitudes? At least they are more articulate in describing their
> > > > platitudes, at least one gets the sense that they at least come in
> their
> > > > intellectual masturbation.
> > > >
> > > > This thread is a perfect demonstration of His Stuntedness Barry
> trumping
> > > > over you, every fucking time, everytime he challenges you and refers
> to
> > > > your previous avatars as enlightened_dawn11 & sandiego108. All I can
> feel
> > > > is you sinking in the whirlpool of your platitudes, or clamming up
> > > behind a
> > > > sheath of layers of platitudes that obscures the person Jim.
> > > >
> > > > Your messages are a platitude treasure hunter's wildest fantasies
> come
> > > true
> > > > - I didn't have to wait too long. Whatever I want for my Dr. Dumbass
> > > > Platitude tracker is all here.
> > > >
> > > > God - you are fucking pathetic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM, doctordumbass@ <
> > > > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do.
> > > > > Adjusting and integrating are constant, so if I missed something
> this
> > > > > round, I'll catch it next time. chillax, dude.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros
> Anartaxius"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of
> the
> > > > > choice we all make, once we start down the pathless path. The
> minute
> > > the
> > > > > reliable transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence)
> > > begin
> > > > > duking it out for supremacy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Only two choices:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all
> identification, in
> > > > > order to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting
> out
> > > of
> > > > > one's own way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification.
> > > > > Identify with objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself.
> Cheap
> > > > > thrills. The mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's
> > > self.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected
> inadvertently,
> > > > > either out of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all
> taught
> > > > > stories as we are raised. self awareness grows, until we are
> oriented
> > > as to
> > > > > what our personal, familial, and socia

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Why the fuck should I, tough guy? I have no idea what your problem is, Ravi, 
but I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, it ain't me. Now get some 
sleep, sex, food, or drink, and if that doesn't do it, I am out of ideas. You 
are becoming a pest.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Explain this tough guy
> 
> A gem right here, there's so many I felt dizzy so I got the first one - "I
> am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and integrating are
> constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it next time"
> 
> Pray - what the fuck does this mean? Can we count on a happy ending for you
> - like Xeno and Adyashanti's intellectual masturbation(s)?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM, doctordumbass@... <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > FOAD, Ravi! (smiley face)
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL Jim..I'm sorry - you are taking offense at Xeno's and Adyashanti's
> > > platitudes? At least they are more articulate in describing their
> > > platitudes, at least one gets the sense that they at least come in their
> > > intellectual masturbation.
> > >
> > > This thread is a perfect demonstration of His Stuntedness Barry trumping
> > > over you, every fucking time, everytime he challenges you and refers to
> > > your previous avatars as enlightened_dawn11 & sandiego108. All I can feel
> > > is you sinking in the whirlpool of your platitudes, or clamming up
> > behind a
> > > sheath of layers of platitudes that obscures the person Jim.
> > >
> > > Your messages are a platitude treasure hunter's wildest fantasies come
> > true
> > > - I didn't have to wait too long. Whatever I want for my Dr. Dumbass
> > > Platitude tracker is all here.
> > >
> > > God - you are fucking pathetic.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM, doctordumbass@ <
> > > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do.
> > > > Adjusting and integrating are constant, so if I missed something this
> > > > round, I'll catch it next time. chillax, dude.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the
> > > > choice we all make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute
> > the
> > > > reliable transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence)
> > begin
> > > > duking it out for supremacy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Only two choices:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in
> > > > order to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out
> > of
> > > > one's own way.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification.
> > > > Identify with objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap
> > > > thrills. The mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's
> > self.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently,
> > > > either out of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught
> > > > stories as we are raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented
> > as to
> > > > what our personal, familial, and social relationships are. After
> > reaching
> > > > maturity, though, we have the freedom to chart our own path through the
> > > > landscape we are now aware of.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious
> > than
> > > > apparent, what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through
> > > > surrender is the only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the
> > self
> > > > wins out, although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely
> > said.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to add that in attempting to evaluate (spiritually)
> > other
> > > > people, one has to be careful because you are interpreting on the
> > basis of
> > > > your own experience, cues from the other person's behaviour and by what
> > > > they say. For example, I am pretty terrible at this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because this thread is (or was) about ego distortion, I came across
> > this
> > > > interview with Adyashanti where he was asked about people who have
> > > > realisations and then go off full of themselves. I think this is a very
> > > > good response:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

Explain this tough guy

A gem right here, there's so many I felt dizzy so I got the first one - "I
am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and integrating are
constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it next time"

Pray - what the fuck does this mean? Can we count on a happy ending for you
- like Xeno and Adyashanti's intellectual masturbation(s)?



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <
no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> FOAD, Ravi! (smiley face)
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > LOL Jim..I'm sorry - you are taking offense at Xeno's and Adyashanti's
> > platitudes? At least they are more articulate in describing their
> > platitudes, at least one gets the sense that they at least come in their
> > intellectual masturbation.
> >
> > This thread is a perfect demonstration of His Stuntedness Barry trumping
> > over you, every fucking time, everytime he challenges you and refers to
> > your previous avatars as enlightened_dawn11 & sandiego108. All I can feel
> > is you sinking in the whirlpool of your platitudes, or clamming up
> behind a
> > sheath of layers of platitudes that obscures the person Jim.
> >
> > Your messages are a platitude treasure hunter's wildest fantasies come
> true
> > - I didn't have to wait too long. Whatever I want for my Dr. Dumbass
> > Platitude tracker is all here.
> >
> > God - you are fucking pathetic.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM, doctordumbass@... <
> > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do.
> > > Adjusting and integrating are constant, so if I missed something this
> > > round, I'll catch it next time. chillax, dude.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the
> > > choice we all make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute
> the
> > > reliable transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence)
> begin
> > > duking it out for supremacy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Only two choices:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in
> > > order to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out
> of
> > > one's own way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification.
> > > Identify with objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap
> > > thrills. The mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's
> self.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently,
> > > either out of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught
> > > stories as we are raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented
> as to
> > > what our personal, familial, and social relationships are. After
> reaching
> > > maturity, though, we have the freedom to chart our own path through the
> > > landscape we are now aware of.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious
> than
> > > apparent, what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through
> > > surrender is the only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the
> self
> > > wins out, although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely
> said.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to add that in attempting to evaluate (spiritually)
> other
> > > people, one has to be careful because you are interpreting on the
> basis of
> > > your own experience, cues from the other person's behaviour and by what
> > > they say. For example, I am pretty terrible at this.
> > > >
> > > > Because this thread is (or was) about ego distortion, I came across
> this
> > > interview with Adyashanti where he was asked about people who have
> > > realisations and then go off full of themselves. I think this is a very
> > > good response:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any suggestions for how we can point out to people that
> > > their ego is using their realization as a form of personal territory? I
> > > encounter this quite a lot and have difficulty pointing it out in any
> kind
> > > of effective way.
> > > >
> > > > Response:
> > > >
> > > > Traditionally, there were some safeguards used by spiritual
> traditions
> > > to prevent the ego using realization in this way, but if we look back
> in
> > > the history of spirituality, we see the safeguards didn't work

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

FOAD, Ravi! (smiley face)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> LOL Jim..I'm sorry - you are taking offense at Xeno's and Adyashanti's
> platitudes? At least they are more articulate in describing their
> platitudes, at least one gets the sense that they at least come in their
> intellectual masturbation.
> 
> This thread is a perfect demonstration of His Stuntedness Barry trumping
> over you, every fucking time, everytime he challenges you and refers to
> your previous avatars as enlightened_dawn11 & sandiego108. All I can feel
> is you sinking in the whirlpool of your platitudes, or clamming up behind a
> sheath of layers of platitudes that obscures the person Jim.
> 
> Your messages are a platitude treasure hunter's wildest fantasies come true
> - I didn't have to wait too long. Whatever I want for my Dr. Dumbass
> Platitude tracker is all here.
> 
> God - you are fucking pathetic.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM, doctordumbass@... <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do.
> > Adjusting and integrating are constant, so if I missed something this
> > round, I'll catch it next time. chillax, dude.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the
> > choice we all make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the
> > reliable transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin
> > duking it out for supremacy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only two choices:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in
> > order to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of
> > one's own way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification.
> > Identify with objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap
> > thrills. The mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently,
> > either out of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught
> > stories as we are raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to
> > what our personal, familial, and social relationships are. After reaching
> > maturity, though, we have the freedom to chart our own path through the
> > landscape we are now aware of.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than
> > apparent, what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through
> > surrender is the only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the self
> > wins out, although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely said.
> > >
> > > I would like to add that in attempting to evaluate (spiritually) other
> > people, one has to be careful because you are interpreting on the basis of
> > your own experience, cues from the other person's behaviour and by what
> > they say. For example, I am pretty terrible at this.
> > >
> > > Because this thread is (or was) about ego distortion, I came across this
> > interview with Adyashanti where he was asked about people who have
> > realisations and then go off full of themselves. I think this is a very
> > good response:
> > >
> > >
> > > =
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Do you have any suggestions for how we can point out to people that
> > their ego is using their realization as a form of personal territory? I
> > encounter this quite a lot and have difficulty pointing it out in any kind
> > of effective way.
> > >
> > > Response:
> > >
> > > Traditionally, there were some safeguards used by spiritual traditions
> > to prevent the ego using realization in this way, but if we look back in
> > the history of spirituality, we see the safeguards didn't work that well.
> > Often, people who had a profound realization were part of a bigger
> > community. Even teachers were part of a community of teachers. The idea was
> > that people would keep an eye on each other.
> > >
> > > In truth, it never happened like it was supposed to. Teachers can keep
> > an eye on their students, but once somebody breaks out of that role,
> > there's not that much keeping an eye on each other. I mean, we've seen that
> > in almost every tradition. There are people who get inflated or go off on
> > some strange tangent. I do think it's perfectly appropriate that we try, if
> > not to change people, then to reflect back to them -- especially if we see
> > somebody really half-cocked. Not tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[doctordumbass]

After a series of vaguely aggressive clawing motions with his hands, Zee CAT 
stands still behind his shades, with a Velveeta smile on his face, as if to 
say, no *chick* has EVER resisted THESE threads - fuckin' smokin' leopardized 
EV'RY THANG - and the strains of Marvin Gaye, rise from the background, singing 
"Let's Get It On":

I've been really tryin , baby
Tryin to hold back these feelings for so long
And if you feel, like I feel baby
Come on, oh come on,

Let's get it on
Lets get it on
Let's get it on
Let's get it on


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami,
> the concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you, my
> lovely, shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Ladyfriend here
> > >
> > > Looking hot
> > > even though it's cold out
> > >
> > > Given the choice
> > > of paying attention to her
> > > or Fairfield Life
> > >
> > > There is simply
> > > no choice
> > >
> > > I show her this
> > > and then sign off
> > > for the evening
> > >
> > > She smiles
> > >
> > > A good sign...
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

A proper measure of democracy should be put into effect in the meditating 
movement, chiefly by abolishing the feudal practice of bullying and beating we 
have now and by having administrators and meditators share weal and woe.  Once 
this is done, unity will be achieved between administrators and meditators and 
the teaching effectiveness of the meditating movement will be greatly 
increased, and there will be no doubt of our ability to sustain the long-going 
and sustained spiritual work of the Unified Field in the world.  
> 
> Our meditating movement must of necessity use the democratic method of 
> persuasion and education when working among meditators and the non-meditators 
> and must on no account resort to commandism or coercion.  Our administrators, 
> teachers and meditator comrades must understand that spiritual remoulding 
> involves long-term, patient and painstaking work, and they must not attempt 
> to change people's ideology, by giving a few lectures or by holding a few 
> meetings.  Persuasion, not compulsion, is the only way to convince them.  
> Compulsion will never result in convincing them. [The old guard's anti-saint 
> policy and administrative guideline held over meditators and teachers?]  To 
> try to convince them by force simply won't work.  This kind of method is 
> permissible in dealing with the enemy, but absolutely impermissible in 
> dealing with meditators and friends. 
> 
> > 
> > As a community together our three major principles for the movement's 
> > spiritual work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; 
> > second, unity between the movement and the meditators; and third, the 
> > disintegration of the enemy anti-meditation forces, the 
> > counter-revolutionary meditation-haters.
> > To apply these principles effectively, we must start with this basic 
> > attitude of respect for the field teacher and the meditator, and of respect 
> > and compassion for the human dignity of the meditation-haters once they 
> > have laid down their opposition. Those who take all this as a technical 
> > matter and not one of basic attitude are indeed wrong, and they should 
> > correct their view.
> > 
> > >
> > > Many people think that it is wrong methods of policies and guidelines 
> > > that make for strained relations between administrators and meditators 
> > > and the meditating community, but I always tell them that it is a 
> > > question of basic attitude or principle, of having respect for the 
> > > meditators and the meditating community.  It is from this attitude that 
> > > the various policies, methods and forms ensue.  If we depart from this 
> > > attitude of respect for meditators, then the policies, methods and forms 
> > > will certainly be wrong, and the relations between administrators and 
> > > meditators and between the movement and the meditators are bound to be 
> > > unsatisfactory.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ideological education of Knowledge and experience is the key link to be 
> > > > grasped in uniting the whole Movement once again for great spiritual 
> > > > struggles.  Unless this is done, the Movement cannot accomplish any of 
> > > > its spiritual tasks. It is time for meditators to join together, come 
> > > > to meditation and attend refresher courses.
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris  > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> >
> > > > > Subject: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01 PM
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to 
> > > > > difficulties that have arisen in the past five months in the business 
> > > > > that underlies the foundation's giving.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant 
> > > > > recipients, so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to 
> > > > > everyone on the Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I explained that the Settle grants would be coming to an end over the 
> > > > > next months.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I said everyone should quickly make plans to be self-sufficient 
> > > > > through "cashing in" in the afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the 
> > > > > afternoon) as Maharishi described it, or any other approach, 
> > > > > including, at least for some, personal funds.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob 
> > > > > Lopinto, Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for 
> > > > > new sources of income that will allow the program to continue as much 
> > > > > as possible, and we are talking to our

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

LOL Jim..I'm sorry - you are taking offense at Xeno's and Adyashanti's
platitudes? At least they are more articulate in describing their
platitudes, at least one gets the sense that they at least come in their
intellectual masturbation.

This thread is a perfect demonstration of His Stuntedness Barry trumping
over you, every fucking time, everytime he challenges you and refers to
your previous avatars as enlightened_dawn11 & sandiego108. All I can feel
is you sinking in the whirlpool of your platitudes, or clamming up behind a
sheath of layers of platitudes that obscures the person Jim.

Your messages are a platitude treasure hunter's wildest fantasies come true
- I didn't have to wait too long. Whatever I want for my Dr. Dumbass
Platitude tracker is all here.

God - you are fucking pathetic.



On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <
no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do.
> Adjusting and integrating are constant, so if I missed something this
> round, I'll catch it next time. chillax, dude.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the
> choice we all make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the
> reliable transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin
> duking it out for supremacy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only two choices:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in
> order to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of
> one's own way.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification.
> Identify with objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap
> thrills. The mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.
> > > > >
> > > > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently,
> either out of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught
> stories as we are raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to
> what our personal, familial, and social relationships are. After reaching
> maturity, though, we have the freedom to chart our own path through the
> landscape we are now aware of.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than
> apparent, what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through
> surrender is the only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the self
> wins out, although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> > > >
> > > > I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely said.
> >
> > I would like to add that in attempting to evaluate (spiritually) other
> people, one has to be careful because you are interpreting on the basis of
> your own experience, cues from the other person's behaviour and by what
> they say. For example, I am pretty terrible at this.
> >
> > Because this thread is (or was) about ego distortion, I came across this
> interview with Adyashanti where he was asked about people who have
> realisations and then go off full of themselves. I think this is a very
> good response:
> >
> >
> > =
> > Question:
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions for how we can point out to people that
> their ego is using their realization as a form of personal territory? I
> encounter this quite a lot and have difficulty pointing it out in any kind
> of effective way.
> >
> > Response:
> >
> > Traditionally, there were some safeguards used by spiritual traditions
> to prevent the ego using realization in this way, but if we look back in
> the history of spirituality, we see the safeguards didn't work that well.
> Often, people who had a profound realization were part of a bigger
> community. Even teachers were part of a community of teachers. The idea was
> that people would keep an eye on each other.
> >
> > In truth, it never happened like it was supposed to. Teachers can keep
> an eye on their students, but once somebody breaks out of that role,
> there's not that much keeping an eye on each other. I mean, we've seen that
> in almost every tradition. There are people who get inflated or go off on
> some strange tangent. I do think it's perfectly appropriate that we try, if
> not to change people, then to reflect back to them -- especially if we see
> somebody really half-cocked. Not that they'll listen!
> >
> > I wish I had a good antidote to what you are describing. I've mentioned
> that, as a teacher, when I discover students who are inflated with their
> own realization, it is the hardest thing for me to get them out of. I think
> it's one of the hardest things for a spi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > As a community together our three major principles for the movement's 
> > > spiritual work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; 
> > > second, unity between the movement and the meditators; and third, the 
> > > disintegration of the enemy anti-meditation forces, the 
> > > counter-revolutionary meditation-haters.
> > 
> > Buck, if what you desire about group program and its influence works, 
> > negative forces will automatically be eliminated. If in this philosophy you 
> > have the desire to take opposition to those who might think of meditation 
> > less highly than you think proper, you are creating division, and 
> > destroying the unity you wish to occur.
> >
> 
> My Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius, they will certainly comply in the end. I am 
> quite confident that the true spirituality of the Unified Field along with 
> our good science on meditation will prevail against these anti-meditation 
> iron-age forces of hate.  It may be a long slog but ultimately the Resistance 
> to this matter of large Nature is feudal. 
> Respectfully, -Buck in the Dome
>
Buck, I think you need to proofread that last sentence. But as it stands that 
is one of the best jokes that has ever appeared here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

Our meditating movement must of necessity use the democratic method of 
persuasion and education when working among meditators and the non-meditators 
and must on no account resort to commandism or coercion.  Our administrators, 
teachers and meditator comrades must understand that spiritual remoulding 
involves long-term, patient and painstaking work, and they must not attempt to 
change people's ideology, by giving a few lectures or by holding a few 
meetings.  Persuasion, not compulsion, is the only way to convince them.  
Compulsion will never result in convincing them. [The old guard's anti-saint 
policy and administrative guideline held over meditators and teachers?]  To try 
to convince them by force simply won't work.  This kind of method is 
permissible in dealing with the enemy, but absolutely impermissible in dealing 
with meditators and friends. 

> 
> As a community together our three major principles for the movement's 
> spiritual work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; 
> second, unity between the movement and the meditators; and third, the 
> disintegration of the enemy anti-meditation forces, the counter-revolutionary 
> meditation-haters.
> To apply these principles effectively, we must start with this basic attitude 
> of respect for the field teacher and the meditator, and of respect and 
> compassion for the human dignity of the meditation-haters once they have laid 
> down their opposition. Those who take all this as a technical matter and not 
> one of basic attitude are indeed wrong, and they should correct their view.
> 
> >
> > Many people think that it is wrong methods of policies and guidelines that 
> > make for strained relations between administrators and meditators and the 
> > meditating community, but I always tell them that it is a question of basic 
> > attitude or principle, of having respect for the meditators and the 
> > meditating community.  It is from this attitude that the various policies, 
> > methods and forms ensue.  If we depart from this attitude of respect for 
> > meditators, then the policies, methods and forms will certainly be wrong, 
> > and the relations between administrators and meditators and between the 
> > movement and the meditators are bound to be unsatisfactory.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Ideological education of Knowledge and experience is the key link to be 
> > > grasped in uniting the whole Movement once again for great spiritual 
> > > struggles.  Unless this is done, the Movement cannot accomplish any of 
> > > its spiritual tasks. It is time for meditators to join together, come to 
> > > meditation and attend refresher courses.
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris  > > >  > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> >
> > > > Subject: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> > > > Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01 PM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> > > > 
> > > > The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to 
> > > > difficulties that have arisen in the past five months in the business 
> > > > that underlies the foundation's giving.
> > > > 
> > > > Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant 
> > > > recipients, so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to 
> > > > everyone on the Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> > > > 
> > > > I explained that the Settle grants would be coming to an end over the 
> > > > next months.
> > > > 
> > > > I said everyone should quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through 
> > > > "cashing in" in the afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) 
> > > > as Maharishi described it, or any other approach, including, at least 
> > > > for some, personal funds.
> > > > 
> > > > I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob 
> > > > Lopinto, Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for 
> > > > new sources of income that will allow the program to continue as much 
> > > > as possible, and we are talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of 
> > > > course, supporting the 600 Vedic Pandits we have here now is extremely 
> > > > important, and if we are successful in raising new funds, bringing the 
> > > > 400 Maharishi Vedic Pandits who are in India waiting to come, to create 
> > > > a much higher level of national coherence.
> > > > 
> > > > I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would 
> > > > probably be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most 
> > > > active flyers, who do really long flying and make a long-term 
> > > > commitment to the Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said 
> > > > this from the beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have bee

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > As a community together our three major principles for the movement's 
> > spiritual work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; 
> > second, unity between the movement and the meditators; and third, the 
> > disintegration of the enemy anti-meditation forces, the 
> > counter-revolutionary meditation-haters.
> 
> Buck, if what you desire about group program and its influence works, 
> negative forces will automatically be eliminated. If in this philosophy you 
> have the desire to take opposition to those who might think of meditation 
> less highly than you think proper, you are creating division, and destroying 
> the unity you wish to occur.
>

My Dear Xenophaneros Anartaxius, they will certainly comply in the end. I am 
quite confident that the true spirituality of the Unified Field along with our 
good science on meditation will prevail against these anti-meditation iron-age 
forces of hate.  It may be a long slog but ultimately the Resistance to this 
matter of large Nature is feudal. 
Respectfully, -Buck in the Dome  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami,
the concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you, my
lovely, shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."




>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Ladyfriend here
> >
> > Looking hot
> > even though it's cold out
> >
> > Given the choice
> > of paying attention to her
> > or Fairfield Life
> >
> > There is simply
> > no choice
> >
> > I show her this
> > and then sign off
> > for the evening
> >
> > She smiles
> >
> > A good sign...
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> As a community together our three major principles for the movement's 
> spiritual work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; 
> second, unity between the movement and the meditators; and third, the 
> disintegration of the enemy anti-meditation forces, the counter-revolutionary 
> meditation-haters.

Buck, if what you desire about group program and its influence works, negative 
forces will automatically be eliminated. If in this philosophy you have the 
desire to take opposition to those who might think of meditation less highly 
than you think proper, you are creating division, and destroying the unity you 
wish to occur.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

As a community together our three major principles for the movement's spiritual 
work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; second, unity 
between the movement and the meditators; and third, the disintegration of the 
enemy anti-meditation forces, the counter-revolutionary meditation-haters.
To apply these principles effectively, we must start with this basic attitude 
of respect for the field teacher and the meditator, and of respect and 
compassion for the human dignity of the meditation-haters once they have laid 
down their opposition. Those who take all this as a technical matter and not 
one of basic attitude are indeed wrong, and they should correct their view.

>
> Many people think that it is wrong methods of policies and guidelines that 
> make for strained relations between administrators and meditators and the 
> meditating community, but I always tell them that it is a question of basic 
> attitude or principle, of having respect for the meditators and the 
> meditating community.  It is from this attitude that the various policies, 
> methods and forms ensue.  If we depart from this attitude of respect for 
> meditators, then the policies, methods and forms will certainly be wrong, and 
> the relations between administrators and meditators and between the movement 
> and the meditators are bound to be unsatisfactory.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Ideological education of Knowledge and experience is the key link to be 
> > grasped in uniting the whole Movement once again for great spiritual 
> > struggles.  Unless this is done, the Movement cannot accomplish any of its 
> > spiritual tasks. It is time for meditators to join together, come to 
> > meditation and attend refresher courses.
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> >
> > > Subject: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> > > Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> > > 
> > > The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties 
> > > that have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies 
> > > the foundation's giving.
> > > 
> > > Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant 
> > > recipients, so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to 
> > > everyone on the Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> > > 
> > > I explained that the Settle grants would be coming to an end over the 
> > > next months.
> > > 
> > > I said everyone should quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through 
> > > "cashing in" in the afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) 
> > > as Maharishi described it, or any other approach, including, at least for 
> > > some, personal funds.
> > > 
> > > I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, 
> > > Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources 
> > > of income that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, 
> > > and we are talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, 
> > > supporting the 600 Vedic Pandits we have here now is extremely important, 
> > > and if we are successful in raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi 
> > > Vedic Pandits who are in India waiting to come, to create a much higher 
> > > level of national coherence.
> > > 
> > > I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably 
> > > be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active 
> > > flyers, who do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the 
> > > Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the 
> > > beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
> > > throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more 
> > > powerful group.
> > > 
> > > I pointed out the present situation means that we have been depending on 
> > > the generosity of Howard and Alice too much. We need to take 
> > > responsibility afresh to engage all the Sidhas of America in national 
> > > invincibility.
> > > 
> > > The response was extremely beautiful. Speaker after speaker sent their 
> > > infinite love and gratitude to the Settles, saying they understand how 
> > > they must be feeling, and want them only to feel the depth of their 
> > > gratitude and love. 
> > > 
> > > The common feeling was that the Invincible America Assembly will continue 
> > > even without the grant. The Assembly Maharishi created even before there 
> > > was a grant, and it will continue even now that the grant is not possible 
> > > for some time. Some also said they would apply to become Maharishi 
> > > University of Management students so they could use financial aid 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Sorry, you lost me. I am not concerned with what I do, or not do. Adjusting and 
integrating are constant, so if I missed something this round, I'll catch it 
next time. chillax, dude.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the choice we 
> > > > all make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the reliable 
> > > > transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin duking 
> > > > it out for supremacy.
> > > > 
> > > > Only two choices:
> > > > 
> > > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in order 
> > > > to gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of 
> > > > one's own way.
> > > > 
> > > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification. Identify 
> > > > with objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap thrills. 
> > > > The mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.
> > > > 
> > > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently, either 
> > > > out of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught stories 
> > > > as we are raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to 
> > > > what our personal, familial, and social relationships are. After 
> > > > reaching maturity, though, we have the freedom to chart our own path 
> > > > through the landscape we are now aware of. 
> > > > 
> > > > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than 
> > > > apparent, what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through 
> > > > surrender is the only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the 
> > > > self wins out, although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> > > 
> > > I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely said.
> 
> I would like to add that in attempting to evaluate (spiritually) other 
> people, one has to be careful because you are interpreting on the basis of 
> your own experience, cues from the other person's behaviour and by what they 
> say. For example, I am pretty terrible at this.
> 
> Because this thread is (or was) about ego distortion, I came across this 
> interview with Adyashanti where he was asked about people who have 
> realisations and then go off full of themselves. I think this is a very good 
> response:
> 
> 
> =
> Question: 
> 
> Do you have any suggestions for how we can point out to people that their ego 
> is using their realization as a form of personal territory? I encounter this 
> quite a lot and have difficulty pointing it out in any kind of effective way. 
> 
> Response: 
> 
> Traditionally, there were some safeguards used by spiritual traditions to 
> prevent the ego using realization in this way, but if we look back in the 
> history of spirituality, we see the safeguards didn't work that well. Often, 
> people who had a profound realization were part of a bigger community. Even 
> teachers were part of a community of teachers. The idea was that people would 
> keep an eye on each other. 
> 
> In truth, it never happened like it was supposed to. Teachers can keep an eye 
> on their students, but once somebody breaks out of that role, there's not 
> that much keeping an eye on each other. I mean, we've seen that in almost 
> every tradition. There are people who get inflated or go off on some strange 
> tangent. I do think it's perfectly appropriate that we try, if not to change 
> people, then to reflect back to them -- especially if we see somebody really 
> half-cocked. Not that they'll listen! 
> 
> I wish I had a good antidote to what you are describing. I've mentioned that, 
> as a teacher, when I discover students who are inflated with their own 
> realization, it is the hardest thing for me to get them out of. I think it's 
> one of the hardest things for a spiritual teacher to deal with. And if a 
> spiritual teacher has a difficult time with his or her students, where there 
> is already a certain sense of trust, how much harder is it going to be for 
> the average person to come up to someone and say, "Hey, you know, you may not 
> be as pristine an example of liberation as you think you are." It can be a 
> really difficult thing to do. 
> 
> Without making excuses for anybody, we do each have a certain karmic makeup. 
> I have been the type of person, through no choice of my own, who has never 
> been attracted to power. Here I am, a spiritual teacher, which is a role that 
> people give great power to. However, the way I see it, the truth is that I 
> have no power at all except the power that other people grant me. All the 
> power is in the students' hands. And it's good for people to know th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

As a community our together three major principles for the movement's spiritual 
work are, first, unity between administrators and meditators; second, unity 
between the movement and the meditaors; and third, the disintegration of the 
enemy anti-meditation forces, the counter-revolutionary meditation-haters.  
To apply these principles effectively, we must start with this basic attitude 
of respect for the field teacher and the meditator, and of respect and 
compassion for the human dignity of the meditation-haters once they have laid 
down their opposition.  Those who take all this as a technical matter and not 
one of basic attitude are indeed wrong, and they should correct their view.   
>
> Many people think that it is wrong methods of policies and guidelines that 
> make for strained relations between administrators and meditators and the 
> meditating community, but I always tell them that it is a question of basic 
> attitude or principle, of having respect for the meditators and the 
> meditating community.  It is from this attitude that the various policies, 
> methods and forms ensue.  If we depart from this attitude of respect for 
> meditators, then the policies, methods and forms will certainly be wrong, and 
> the relations between administrators and meditators and between the movement 
> and the meditators are bound to be unsatisfactory.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Ideological education of Knowledge and experience is the key link to be 
> > grasped in uniting the whole Movement once again for great spiritual 
> > struggles.  Unless this is done, the Movement cannot accomplish any of its 
> > spiritual tasks. It is time for meditators to join together, come to 
> > meditation and attend refresher courses.
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> >
> > > Subject: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> > > Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> > > 
> > > The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties 
> > > that have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies 
> > > the foundation's giving.
> > > 
> > > Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant 
> > > recipients, so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to 
> > > everyone on the Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> > > 
> > > I explained that the Settle grants would be coming to an end over the 
> > > next months.
> > > 
> > > I said everyone should quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through 
> > > "cashing in" in the afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) 
> > > as Maharishi described it, or any other approach, including, at least for 
> > > some, personal funds.
> > > 
> > > I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, 
> > > Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources 
> > > of income that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, 
> > > and we are talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, 
> > > supporting the 600 Vedic Pandits we have here now is extremely important, 
> > > and if we are successful in raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi 
> > > Vedic Pandits who are in India waiting to come, to create a much higher 
> > > level of national coherence.
> > > 
> > > I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably 
> > > be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active 
> > > flyers, who do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the 
> > > Invincible America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the 
> > > beginning and Dr. Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this 
> > > throughout. This will reduce the numbers, but we will have a more 
> > > powerful group.
> > > 
> > > I pointed out the present situation means that we have been depending on 
> > > the generosity of Howard and Alice too much. We need to take 
> > > responsibility afresh to engage all the Sidhas of America in national 
> > > invincibility.
> > > 
> > > The response was extremely beautiful. Speaker after speaker sent their 
> > > infinite love and gratitude to the Settles, saying they understand how 
> > > they must be feeling, and want them only to feel the depth of their 
> > > gratitude and love. 
> > > 
> > > The common feeling was that the Invincible America Assembly will continue 
> > > even without the grant. The Assembly Maharishi created even before there 
> > > was a grant, and it will continue even now that the grant is not possible 
> > > for some time. Some also said they would apply to become Maharishi 
> > > University of Management students so they could use financial

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Thank you!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the choice we 
> > > all make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the reliable 
> > > transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin duking 
> > > it out for supremacy.
> > > 
> > > Only two choices:
> > > 
> > > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in order to 
> > > gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of one's own 
> > > way.
> > > 
> > > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification. Identify with 
> > > objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap thrills. The 
> > > mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.
> > > 
> > > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently, either out 
> > > of a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught stories as we 
> > > are raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to what our 
> > > personal, familial, and social relationships are. After reaching 
> > > maturity, though, we have the freedom to chart our own path through the 
> > > landscape we are now aware of. 
> > > 
> > > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than 
> > > apparent, what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through 
> > > surrender is the only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the 
> > > self wins out, although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> > 
> > I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely said.

I would like to add that in attempting to evaluate (spiritually) other people, 
one has to be careful because you are interpreting on the basis of your own 
experience, cues from the other person's behaviour and by what they say. For 
example, I am pretty terrible at this.

Because this thread is (or was) about ego distortion, I came across this 
interview with Adyashanti where he was asked about people who have realisations 
and then go off full of themselves. I think this is a very good response:


=
Question: 

Do you have any suggestions for how we can point out to people that their ego 
is using their realization as a form of personal territory? I encounter this 
quite a lot and have difficulty pointing it out in any kind of effective way. 

Response: 

Traditionally, there were some safeguards used by spiritual traditions to 
prevent the ego using realization in this way, but if we look back in the 
history of spirituality, we see the safeguards didn't work that well. Often, 
people who had a profound realization were part of a bigger community. Even 
teachers were part of a community of teachers. The idea was that people would 
keep an eye on each other. 

In truth, it never happened like it was supposed to. Teachers can keep an eye 
on their students, but once somebody breaks out of that role, there's not that 
much keeping an eye on each other. I mean, we've seen that in almost every 
tradition. There are people who get inflated or go off on some strange tangent. 
I do think it's perfectly appropriate that we try, if not to change people, 
then to reflect back to them -- especially if we see somebody really 
half-cocked. Not that they'll listen! 

I wish I had a good antidote to what you are describing. I've mentioned that, 
as a teacher, when I discover students who are inflated with their own 
realization, it is the hardest thing for me to get them out of. I think it's 
one of the hardest things for a spiritual teacher to deal with. And if a 
spiritual teacher has a difficult time with his or her students, where there is 
already a certain sense of trust, how much harder is it going to be for the 
average person to come up to someone and say, "Hey, you know, you may not be as 
pristine an example of liberation as you think you are." It can be a really 
difficult thing to do. 

Without making excuses for anybody, we do each have a certain karmic makeup. I 
have been the type of person, through no choice of my own, who has never been 
attracted to power. Here I am, a spiritual teacher, which is a role that people 
give great power to. However, the way I see it, the truth is that I have no 
power at all except the power that other people grant me. All the power is in 
the students' hands. And it's good for people to know that. I've always 
experienced that when people give me too much power or authority, I start to 
feel like I'm living in a surreal bubble. Inherent in people giving other 
people power is a projection, right? When somebody gives me too much power, 
they've projected that I am something different from them. And I find that a 
surreal environment to be in. That's why I avoid it as much as I can, because 
it has a sense of unreality to it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> ..a sign a sign--sigh
> Still searching, rotating, looking out; no means to tell the way.
> So You drift with every wind, more helpless day by day.
>
> Now , pondering,then pausing- opening up…a prompting, "Look
> above".
> What yonder sky there, a wisp of white, a sign of hope: a dove.
>
> For all humans: those who care
> Whose life is more than living
> Whose walk is more than walking:
> Pedestrians beware:
>   It's never a good sign when you find yourself writing poems and
wanting
> to cuddle the escort you hired [:D]
  [:x]

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami,
> the concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you,
my
> lovely, shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Ladyfriend here
> > >
> > > Looking hot
> > > even though it's cold out
> > >
> > > Given the choice
> > > of paying attention to her
> > > or Fairfield Life
> > >
> > > There is simply
> > > no choice
> > >
> > > I show her this
> > > and then sign off
> > > for the evening
> > >
> > > She smiles
> > >
> > > A good sign...
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

Many people think that it is wrong methods of policies and guidelines that make 
for strained relations between administrators and meditators and the meditating 
community, but I always tell them that it is a question of basic attitude or 
principle, of having respect for the meditators and the meditating community.  
It is from this attitude that the various policies, methods and forms ensue.  
If we depart from this attitude of respect for meditators, then the policies, 
methods and forms will certainly be wrong, and the relations between 
administrators and meditators and between the movement and the meditators are 
bound to be unsatisfactory.
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Ideological education of Knowledge and experience is the key link to be 
> grasped in uniting the whole Movement once again for great spiritual 
> struggles.  Unless this is done, the Movement cannot accomplish any of its 
> spiritual tasks. It is time for meditators to join together, come to 
> meditation and attend refresher courses.
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@> >
> > Subject: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> > Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> > 
> > The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties 
> > that have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies the 
> > foundation's giving.
> > 
> > Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant recipients, 
> > so Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to everyone on the 
> > Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> > 
> > I explained that the Settle grants would be coming to an end over the next 
> > months.
> > 
> > I said everyone should quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through 
> > "cashing in" in the afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) as 
> > Maharishi described it, or any other approach, including, at least for 
> > some, personal funds.
> > 
> > I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, 
> > Raja Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources of 
> > income that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, and we 
> > are talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, supporting the 600 
> > Vedic Pandits we have here now is extremely important, and if we are 
> > successful in raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi Vedic Pandits 
> > who are in India waiting to come, to create a much higher level of national 
> > coherence.
> > 
> > I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably 
> > be for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active flyers, 
> > who do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the Invincible 
> > America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the beginning and Dr. 
> > Doug and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this throughout. This will 
> > reduce the numbers, but we will have a more powerful group.
> > 
> > I pointed out the present situation means that we have been depending on 
> > the generosity of Howard and Alice too much. We need to take responsibility 
> > afresh to engage all the Sidhas of America in national invincibility.
> > 
> > The response was extremely beautiful. Speaker after speaker sent their 
> > infinite love and gratitude to the Settles, saying they understand how they 
> > must be feeling, and want them only to feel the depth of their gratitude 
> > and love. 
> > 
> > The common feeling was that the Invincible America Assembly will continue 
> > even without the grant. The Assembly Maharishi created even before there 
> > was a grant, and it will continue even now that the grant is not possible 
> > for some time. Some also said they would apply to become Maharishi 
> > University of Management students so they could use financial aid to 
> > continue.
> > 
> > They suggested we fly at the same time as the 8,000 Yogic Flyers in Oaxaca, 
> > Mexico, that we adjust lift-off for flying time to accommodate people with 
> > jobs in Fairfield, and other positive ideas. They reminded us that 
> > Maharishi said, "I amâ€"India and America for a bright future for the 
> > world" and we have to fulfill Maharishi's direction, all of us together. 
> > 
> > It was a very moving and even blissful occasion. We will continue in the 
> > Invincible America Assembly experience session with more thinking from 
> > everyone.
> > 
> > A new campaign is also starting for all Sidhas in Fairfield, Maharishi 
> > Vedic City, and nationally to participate in the Invincible America 
> > Assembly to create a better fortune for the nation.
> > 
> > We are all so grateful to Howard and Alice for giving nearly $100 million

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[merudanda]

..a sign a sign--sigh
Still searching, rotating, looking out; no means to tell the way.
So You drift with every wind, more helpless day by day.

Now , pondering,then pausing- opening up…a prompting, "Look
above".
What yonder sky there, a wisp of white, a sign of hope: a dove.

For all humans: those who care
Whose life is more than living
Whose walk is more than walking:
Pedestrians beware:
  It's never a good sign when you find yourself writing poems and wanting
to cuddle the escort you hired
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami,
the concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you, my
lovely, shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Ladyfriend here
> >
> > Looking hot
> > even though it's cold out
> >
> > Given the choice
> > of paying attention to her
> > or Fairfield Life
> >
> > There is simply
> > no choice
> >
> > I show her this
> > and then sign off
> > for the evening
> >
> > She smiles
> >
> > A good sign...
> >
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly

[Buck]

Ideological education of Knowledge and experience is the key link to be grasped 
in uniting the whole Movement once again for great spiritual struggles.  Unless 
this is done, the Movement cannot accomplish any of its spiritual tasks. It is 
time for meditators to join together, come to meditation and attend refresher 
courses.
-Buck in the Dome

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Dr. Bevan Morris   > wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Dr. Bevan Morris mailto:development@...> >
> Subject: Important change in the Invincible America Assembly
> Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 1:01 PM
> 
> 
> Dear Friend of Maharishi University of Management,
> 
> The Settle Foundation is facing financial challenges due to difficulties that 
> have arisen in the past five months in the business that underlies the 
> foundation's giving.
> 
> Word of this has reached the Invincible America Assembly grant recipients, so 
> Raja John Hagelin asked me to explain the situation to everyone on the 
> Assembly, which I did on Thursday.
> 
> I explained that the Settle grants would be coming to an end over the next 
> months.
> 
> I said everyone should quickly make plans to be self-sufficient through 
> "cashing in" in the afternoon (i.e., working at a job in the afternoon) as 
> Maharishi described it, or any other approach, including, at least for some, 
> personal funds.
> 
> I also said Raja John Hagelin, Raja Wynne and Maureen, Raja Bob Lopinto, Raja 
> Harris and myself are trying to come up with a plan for new sources of income 
> that will allow the program to continue as much as possible, and we are 
> talking to our Indian leaders about this. Of course, supporting the 600 Vedic 
> Pandits we have here now is extremely important, and if we are successful in 
> raising new funds, bringing the 400 Maharishi Vedic Pandits who are in India 
> waiting to come, to create a much higher level of national coherence.
> 
> I emphasized that in the future the grant, when available, would probably be 
> for a smaller number of Yogic Flyers, especially the most active flyers, who 
> do really long flying and make a long-term commitment to the Invincible 
> America Assembly program. Maharishi said this from the beginning and Dr. Doug 
> and Dr. Linda Birx have been working on this throughout. This will reduce the 
> numbers, but we will have a more powerful group.
> 
> I pointed out the present situation means that we have been depending on the 
> generosity of Howard and Alice too much. We need to take responsibility 
> afresh to engage all the Sidhas of America in national invincibility.
> 
> The response was extremely beautiful. Speaker after speaker sent their 
> infinite love and gratitude to the Settles, saying they understand how they 
> must be feeling, and want them only to feel the depth of their gratitude and 
> love. 
> 
> The common feeling was that the Invincible America Assembly will continue 
> even without the grant. The Assembly Maharishi created even before there was 
> a grant, and it will continue even now that the grant is not possible for 
> some time. Some also said they would apply to become Maharishi University of 
> Management students so they could use financial aid to continue.
> 
> They suggested we fly at the same time as the 8,000 Yogic Flyers in Oaxaca, 
> Mexico, that we adjust lift-off for flying time to accommodate people with 
> jobs in Fairfield, and other positive ideas. They reminded us that Maharishi 
> said, "I amâ€"India and America for a bright future for the world" and we 
> have to fulfill Maharishi's direction, all of us together. 
> 
> It was a very moving and even blissful occasion. We will continue in the 
> Invincible America Assembly experience session with more thinking from 
> everyone.
> 
> A new campaign is also starting for all Sidhas in Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic 
> City, and nationally to participate in the Invincible America Assembly to 
> create a better fortune for the nation.
> 
> We are all so grateful to Howard and Alice for giving nearly $100 million 
> over the past seven yearsâ€"it is really just phenomenal and historicâ€"and 
> we know that they will continue to do everything to support national 
> invincibility.
> 
> With Best Wishes,
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
> 
> Bevan
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[Mike Dixon]

laughing like Maurice Chevalier .. Hon hon.   Sank heaven, for little girls


From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

  
Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami, the 
concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you, my lovely, 
shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Ladyfriend here
> 
> Looking hot
> even though it's cold out
> 
> Given the choice
> of paying attention to her
> or Fairfield Life
> 
> There is simply 
> no choice
> 
> I show her this
> and then sign off
> for the evening
> 
> She smiles
> 
> A good sign...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[doctordumbass]

Barry strikes with the stealth and assurance of a panther, "Mon ami, the 
concert is magnifique, oui? Allow me, I am Barry Wright, but you, my lovely, 
shall know me as, Zee CAT. Gr…."

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Ladyfriend here
> 
> Looking hot
> even though it's cold out
> 
> Given the choice
> of paying attention to her
> or Fairfield Life
> 
> There is simply 
> no choice
> 
> I show her this
> and then sign off
> for the evening
> 
> She smiles
> 
> A good sign...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Thank you!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the choice we all 
> > make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the reliable 
> > transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin duking it 
> > out for supremacy.
> > 
> > Only two choices:
> > 
> > 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in order to 
> > gain liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of one's own 
> > way.
> > 
> > 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification. Identify with 
> > objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap thrills. The 
> > mindset is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.
> > 
> > The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently, either out of 
> > a lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught stories as we are 
> > raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to what our 
> > personal, familial, and social relationships are. After reaching maturity, 
> > though, we have the freedom to chart our own path through the landscape we 
> > are now aware of. 
> > 
> > If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than apparent, 
> > what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through surrender is the 
> > only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the self wins out, 
> > although it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.
> 
> I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely said.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> On the other hand, Barry is not the one who has 
> pissed away 40 posts so far this week 

One person's piss is another's champagne. Cheers, TB!! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Concert pour tous

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I am always appreciative when a nut job with a gun only kills himself. Good 
> move!

Yup, natural selection in action.

 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm staying this week near the Bastille, which is interesting tonight
> > > because it's the scene of an enormous outdoor concert to celebrate the
> > > success of the Marriage pour tous movement, and the legalization of
> > > same-sex marriage in France. A huge stage has been erected and the
> > > enormous traffic circle, normally full of cars, is now full of people.
> > > 
> > > I'm currently sitting in an overpriced but (tonight) handy cafe  called
> > > (imaginatively) La Bastille and listening to the concert about 50 
> > > meters away. There are people everywhere, waving rainbow flags and
> > > acting generally happy. There are also huge numbers of  gendarmes
> > > everywhere, because it was rumored that the anti-gay crazies  would show
> > > up, but so far I've seen none of them. A good thing, too,  because some
> > > of the gay weight-lifter guys in the crowd could kick their asses
> > > without breaking a sweat. :-)
> > > 
> > 
> > One of the activist anti-gay crazies just held a protest in Notre Dame 
> > Cathedral. He placed a letter on the altar, pulled out a handgun, and shot 
> > himself in the head. That'll show those damn homos!
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] "Mozartian" boogie-woogie?

[card]

Eleven years of conventional piano training,
and it shows, unfortunately. Are Germans "doomed"
to Mozartian rhythmics?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X17QV0fNcfM

Compare to the relaxed flow of Pete and Albert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIVJw8yX6GY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ah

[Ann]

Goodness, gracious. So you were sitting outside at this cafe people watching 
while listening to the "concert" while writing on FFL? Get a life, man.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Ladyfriend here
> 
> Looking hot
> even though it's cold out
> 
> Given the choice
> of paying attention to her
> or Fairfield Life
> 
> There is simply 
> no choice
> 
> I show her this
> and then sign off
> for the evening
> 
> She smiles
> 
> A good sign...
>

[FairfieldLife] Ah

[turquoiseb]

Ladyfriend here

Looking hot
even though it's cold out

Given the choice
of paying attention to her
or Fairfield Life

There is simply 
no choice

I show her this
and then sign off
for the evening

She smiles

A good sign...

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.
> 

Maybe we can assign 50% of the blame on the married women, cuz, hey, free will 
and all that, but. nope.

The equation changes when one of the partners has so much to offer to the 
(spiritually, financially, socially) impoverished other.

He took advantage.  He leveraged.  He must be held to the same standard we held 
Maharishi about his sexcapades.

Hagelin never not once ever never once ever said:  

"Hey, babe, nice just meeting you, a minion, and me, a royal scion, and I know 
you're married, and it's a sin to fuck me, but, hey, let's just put all that 
aside and not dwell on the YEARS AND YEARS OF DAMAGE it would do to your 
husband and your kids if they find out." 

Hagelin never asked like that, right, but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPECTED FROM 
THEM, cuz, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.  And he knew he was ABSOLUTELY HARMING 
these women -- "harming" means "alluring women to change their lives so 
dramatically and so covertly that it was certain that when the affairs were 
revealed, all the lying and disloyalty would not be easily dealt with -- 
without YEARS of professional help for all concerned."  

That is fucking harmful. 

At least Dr. Bloomfield drugged his women and didn't try to brainwash them into 
breaking the trust enjoyed with virtually everyone in their social circle.  

Yeah, sure, it MIGHT evolve some folks who would rise to the challenges of 
facing ones personal integrity being shitcanned after one has torn ones life up 
like a bad parking ticket, yep, could be, but on average, every woman who ever 
fucked Hagelin had to face themselves in perhaps the harshest light they've 
ever had shone upon them.  And it wouldn't be pretty what they saw in the 
mirror.

Each woman, on her death bed, gets to say:  "I fucked Hagelin and ruined my 
marriage and my kids hate me to this day for what I did to their father when I 
could have just gone to a marriage counselor or something, or I could have at 
least faced their father forthrightly about the marital dissonance and just 
said, 'I'm ending it, but at least I'm being honest and not sneaking behind 
your back and cuckolding you and doing all the things that incur rage in others 
who are blinded by their trust and loyalty towards the cheating partner and who 
will have no clue until it's revealed to them as if a bomb going off.'"

Who wants to say that?  Hagelin made every woman NOT CONSIDER THAT.  He gave 
them, what?, promises of, what?  Don't even try to tell me all the women were 
simply randy and Hagelin was a hunk.  Women don't go for that.  They might be 
horny, but it is only cuz they want the whole man's wherewithal --  not just 
his dick. 

He leveraged by promising who knows what.  That is not saintly.  That is not 
honest.  That is fucking evil.  And TM didn't do a THING TO CHANGE IT.

Edg 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[turquoiseb]

On the other hand, Barry is not the one who has 
pissed away 40 posts so far this week trying 
to play spiritual one-upsmanship games and 
convince himself that someone -- ANYONE -- 
actually believes he's enlightened.

Sometimes I think Jimbo would do better going
back to pretending to be a woman. He had more
fans then.  :-)

Or head back to Batgap, where people have even
less discrimination and taste than Hagelin's
groupies.  :-)

Has it even *registered* with you guys that 
you're caught in a loop of *perpetual* "Shoot
the messenger?" You *never* deal with any of
the actual criticisms I bring up. All you do
is try to demonize the person *who* brought
them up. 

What does *that* say about the so-called
supremacy of TM?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> > and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > 
> > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> > in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> > foundation in stories. 
> > 
> > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. 
> > pure consciousness.
> > 
> > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> > to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> > discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, 
> > and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > 
> > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > 
> > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> > practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > 
> > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > layer after layer of stories.
> > 
> > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> 
> 
> Fits well with me, some of the time. Thanks for the reminder :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> I stand by my statement. The money *could* have been 
> spent somewhere it might have done some real good,
> like feeding the hungry. 

And now we all know what the Turq would have done if he had 100mill to spare. 
The Turq, the benevolent good-maker :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> 
> But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> foundation in stories. 
> 
> In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set of 
> stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a fixed 
> context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point being 
> that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. pure 
> consciousness.
> 
> I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, and 
> seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> 
> He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, stories 
> and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the fables he 
> has been telling himself for decades.
> 
> Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> 
> So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make his 
> bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm layer 
> after layer of stories.
> 
> Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.


Fits well with me, some of the time. Thanks for the reminder :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the choice we all 
> make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the reliable 
> transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin duking it 
> out for supremacy.
> 
> Only two choices:
> 
> 1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in order to gain 
> liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of one's own way.
> 
> 2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification. Identify with 
> objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap thrills. The mindset 
> is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.
> 
> The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently, either out of a 
> lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught stories as we are 
> raised. self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to what our personal, 
> familial, and social relationships are. After reaching maturity, though, we 
> have the freedom to chart our own path through the landscape we are now aware 
> of. 
> 
> If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than apparent, 
> what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through surrender is the 
> only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the self wins out, although 
> it always thinks it is winning, all is lost.

I do not think I could disagree with this in any way. Nicely said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
> dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
> Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.

After watching this season's "Californication," with
Maggie Grace as a groupie with standards, I'm reminded
that there is nothing worse than a groupie without them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Concert pour tous

[doctordumbass]

I am always appreciative when a nut job with a gun only kills himself. Good 
move!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > I'm staying this week near the Bastille, which is interesting tonight
> > because it's the scene of an enormous outdoor concert to celebrate the
> > success of the Marriage pour tous movement, and the legalization of
> > same-sex marriage in France. A huge stage has been erected and the
> > enormous traffic circle, normally full of cars, is now full of people.
> > 
> > I'm currently sitting in an overpriced but (tonight) handy cafe  called
> > (imaginatively) La Bastille and listening to the concert about 50 
> > meters away. There are people everywhere, waving rainbow flags and
> > acting generally happy. There are also huge numbers of  gendarmes
> > everywhere, because it was rumored that the anti-gay crazies  would show
> > up, but so far I've seen none of them. A good thing, too,  because some
> > of the gay weight-lifter guys in the crowd could kick their asses
> > without breaking a sweat. :-)
> > 
> 
> One of the activist anti-gay crazies just held a protest in Notre Dame 
> Cathedral. He placed a letter on the altar, pulled out a handgun, and shot 
> himself in the head. That'll show those damn homos!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Last, and TB knows this, denial is not the same as non-attachment, aka, "I only 
read stuff in Message View" (chest puffed out). (smiley face)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> So, on the one hand, the one person losing $1000, integrates the experience 
> into themselves, and learns from it, often having to modify or transcend an 
> idea of themselves, to ensure it doesn't happen again.
> 
> The other person will always blame others for their misfortune. They are also 
> unable to accept internal or external criticism of themselves, always 
> battling alone. The more one depends on the stories of the ego, the weaker 
> one becomes. Because the stories, used in this way, isolate a person, walling 
> them off from the freedom and power available through continuous integration 
> and transcending. 
> 
> Our Beings are far more powerful than anything the mind can conjure up. The 
> path to strengthen the self, through stories and justifications is a dead 
> end. It relinquishes the freedom available to it, in continuing adoration of 
> the self, becoming weaker and smaller with each choice to do so. 
> 
> The self, as defined by the stories of the mind, can never be good enough for 
> itself. As it finds itself trapped in its singular edifice, the materials 
> needed to continue building start to consist of anger, arrogance, 
> frustration, envy, and depletion.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, all stories have a personal component. The difference is how such a 
> > story is perceived by the teller. 
> > 
> > Let's say two people face the same situation, and each loses $1000. One 
> > realizes that he is $1000 poorer, owns it, and resolves to not be in such a 
> > situation again. The other sees this as some sort of sign, indicating that 
> > he will never get ahead, or that the circumstances were beyond his control, 
> > and thus he searches for someone else to blame. Same circumstances, but 
> > entirely different stories.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hm. After I posted this, I clicked on a link and this quote appeared on 
> > > my computer screen: 
> > > 
> > > "Maybe stories are just data with a soul"
> > > 
> > > The quote is by Brene Brown.
> > > 
> > > (Perhaps I should have started a different topic about 'stories.' I have 
> > > not comment re TB.)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doc said: "Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and 
> > > > heart" route, as a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly 
> > > > difficult to make any spiritual progress, or progress towards 
> > > > liberation. Despite any techniques practiced, the stories, and the 
> > > > attachment to them, win out. "
> > > > 
> > > > Our stories. I enjoy reading and learning about people's stories which 
> > > > of course are typically only brief snapshots. I don't think of the 
> > > > stories as foundations, but rather as simply parts of the journey. In 
> > > > one sense they are mystical. In "what sense" I wonder? 
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps in our sense of how we perceive those stories. We experience 
> > > > our events in the now differently that when we look back on the 
> > > > experience of those same events later. During the time elapsed between 
> > > > the now and the later, we live more and have more contexts from which 
> > > > to view the past-now. To be able to detach from the story and look at 
> > > > it like a fly on the wall, is another aspect in relating to (or 
> > > > non-relating to) our stories. I like to be able to tap the different 
> > > > ways we perceive and relate or non-relate to our stories. 
> > > > 
> > > > I used to think that to "forget the past" was part of attaining 
> > > > spiritual oneness with 'god.' I now wish I could remember everything, 
> > > > all the stories. Of course, I can't...at least not in my conscious 
> > > > awareness. I figure the ones that I may need to remember will present 
> > > > themselves at such time I may need them.
> > > > 
> > > > ***
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is 
> > > > > true, and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, 
> > > > > instead, to serve as that foundation, there is one significant 
> > > > > difference. A foundation in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a 
> > > > > foundation in ego, is a foundation in stories. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced 
> > > > > set of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in 
> > > > > place, in a fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the 
> > > > > stories they tell themselves. Can also work with 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Concert pour tous

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> I'm staying this week near the Bastille, which is interesting tonight
> because it's the scene of an enormous outdoor concert to celebrate the
> success of the Marriage pour tous movement, and the legalization of
> same-sex marriage in France. A huge stage has been erected and the
> enormous traffic circle, normally full of cars, is now full of people.
> 
> I'm currently sitting in an overpriced but (tonight) handy cafe  called
> (imaginatively) La Bastille and listening to the concert about 50 
> meters away. There are people everywhere, waving rainbow flags and
> acting generally happy. There are also huge numbers of  gendarmes
> everywhere, because it was rumored that the anti-gay crazies  would show
> up, but so far I've seen none of them. A good thing, too,  because some
> of the gay weight-lifter guys in the crowd could kick their asses
> without breaking a sweat. :-)
> 

One of the activist anti-gay crazies just held a protest in Notre Dame 
Cathedral. He placed a letter on the altar, pulled out a handgun, and shot 
himself in the head. That'll show those damn homos!

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:39 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., 
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , 
"authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , 
> Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy" 
> > -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the 
> > others might be 
> > impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, 
> > and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to 
> > spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.
> > 
> > We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other 
> > teachings, because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's 
> > being in the audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM 
> > teacher there except for him having doubts about TM?'" 
> > 
> > Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would 
> > be on one of Rick's panels? L.B. got banned, right? 
> > 
> > Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
> > desperation?
> 
> Edg, I haven't watched the video, so I really can't comment.
> And as you know, I speak as just a meditator, not an
> initiator. I simply wanted to point out that we were never
> taught (I was never taught) that TM had a special patent on
> transcending *per se* (TM was said to have other competitive advantages, of 
> course). So please don't read into what I
> said more than was there, OK?

Okay.

Do you have any problem with folks getting the badges taken away if they attend 
other spiritual lectures?  Not sure, but I bet the course office would take a 
dome badge if anyone but Hagelin choose to be interviewed by Rick.  
Rick.anyone lost a dome badge cuz of these interviews?  

I believe one did. And several have declined for fear that they would. The one 
who did may not have lost his badge – not sure – but he had an administrative 
position with the university which he lost shortly after my interview with him, 
probably because of it. I’m sure I’d get the boot for doing this show, if I 
hadn’t already gotten the boot for FFL and Amma activities.

[FairfieldLife] Concert pour tous

[turquoiseb]

I'm staying this week near the Bastille, which is interesting tonight
because it's the scene of an enormous outdoor concert to celebrate the
success of the Marriage pour tous movement, and the legalization of
same-sex marriage in France. A huge stage has been erected and the
enormous traffic circle, normally full of cars, is now full of people.

I'm currently sitting in an overpriced but (tonight) handy cafe  called
(imaginatively) La Bastille and listening to the concert about 50 
meters away. There are people everywhere, waving rainbow flags and
acting generally happy. There are also huge numbers of  gendarmes
everywhere, because it was rumored that the anti-gay crazies  would show
up, but so far I've seen none of them. A good thing, too,  because some
of the gay weight-lifter guys in the crowd could kick their asses
without breaking a sweat. :-)

The music is (so far) French Pop, which is to say AWFUL, but it's a good
opportunity for people-watching, and I've got a ringside seat.

I now leave you to discussing weighty topics like whether consciousness
predates matter and what the horrible repercussions of people no longer
being paid to bounce around on their butts and Not Work For A Living may
be. Call me crazy, but I think my time is better spent here in this cafe
waiting for my ladyfriend and watching the passing revelers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Jason]

> >
> > ---  Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be
> worthy"  -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up;
> whereas the others might be
> impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-technique\
> s, and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the
> effort to spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada
> yada.
> > >
> > > We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other
> teachings, because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's
> being in the audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that
> TM teacher there except for him having doubts about TM?'"
> > >
> > > Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who
> would be on one of Rick's panels?  L.B. got banned, right?
> > >
> > > Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out
> in desperation?
> >
> > Edg, I haven't watched the video, so I really can't comment.
> > And as you know, I speak as just a meditator, not an
> > initiator. I simply wanted to point out that we were never
> > taught (I was never taught) that TM had a special patent on
> > transcending *per se* (TM was said to have other competitive
> advantages, of course). So please don't read into what I
> > said more than was there, OK?
> 
> Okay.
> 
> Do you have any problem with folks getting the badges taken away if they
> attend other spiritual lectures?  Not sure, but I bet the course office
> would take a dome badge if anyone but Hagelin choose to be interviewed
> by Rick.  Rick.anyone lost a dome badge cuz of these interviews?
> >
> 
> > As to the quote you want me to comment on, as I say, I
> > haven't seen the video, and I'd want to hear it in context.
> > Seems to me to get the basic idea across. If I have the
> > chance to watch the video, I may get back with further
> > analysis.
> >
> > I don't think "hunches" about whether someone is or is not
> > enlightened are particularly useful, and I don't tend to
> > entertain them, so I'm not going to comment on that either.
> >
> > My *guess* is he'd do fine in a solo interview with Rick.
> > I'd be surprised if he hadn't had a chance to hone his
> > presentation against at least a few really hostile skeptics
> > in the course of his TM-related activities, and Rick
> > wouldn't be likely to try to crucify him anyway. Whether
> > he'd convince you (or me, for that matter) is another
> > issue.
> >
> >
---  Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> You might be right about him handling Rick, cuz Rick is a fine fellow,
> and, as you suggest, he doesn't go for the jugular.
> 
> Yeah, spelling, rats!
> 
> Do you think Hagelin's morality is a bad reflection on the efficacy of
> the TM technique to evolve a personality into a more moral being ?  I
> think you'd have an "apology" to explain that, but I don't know, so I
> ask if you've put it into text yet.
> 
> For discussion purposes, let's just talk about anyone who is a "serial
> marriage rapist" instead of Hagelin, cuz I only know gossip about him,
> so just answer if you think TM affects morality such that a person of
> that ilk would be improved in, say, less than ten years of such therapy.
> Of course, everyone improves as time goes by, so you'll have to subtract
> that from any TM-only results in your appraisal.  Rick says Hagelin is
> now a nice married man, so maybe, eh?  But how would you give TM credit
> for it if it took so long for him to stop boinking FF's married women? 
> Seems to me more likely that he just got tired of the constant stress of
> suchlike -- not that TM led him to a higher moral clarity.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 

It takes two to tangle. You seem to imply that he was 
dragging them to the cave with a stone club in hand.
Looks like TM didn't do any good to those women either.


> 
> >
> > BTW, it's H*A*gelin.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Of course, Maharishi can be seen as ecumenical and all-embracing of
> everything divine in the actions of others, but that was just good
> marketing to keep the priests and nuns and others from getting upset
> while he raked in the millons.  Truth be told, TM practice comes along
> with TM philosophy, and TM philosophy has core axioms that are logically
> contrary to those of other religious efforts.  TM is a religion. 
> Period.
> > >
> > > And, Judy, would you please take a stance on Hegelin's quote.  Do
> you agree with his precise wording?
> > >
> > > "In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga,
> there are techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for
> example -- which just take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the
> transcendental source of thought."
> > >
> > > Tell us YOUR CONTEXT if you want to be clear here, what you mean
> when you use the words "mind, consciousness, awareness."
> > >
> > > Do you, say, 90-100% believe that Hegelin is enlightened by your
> standards? Just asking for your 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Manzarek Bails

[Bhairitu]

On 05/20/2013 11:18 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>> On Behalf Of Bhairitu
>>> Was Manzarek just a TM'er or also a teacher? Anyway
>>> he's bailed from the planet:
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57585387/ray-manzarek-founding-member-of-the-doors-dies-at-74/
>>
>> When my band opened for the Doors he was the only one who could
>> carry on a conversation.
> True that. The night I had to light into Jim Morrison
> he was the only one who seemed even slightly concerned
> that he had sent a fan to the hospital. Krieger came
> across as (sorry, but that *was* my impression) dumber
> than a bucket of hammers and Densmore was so drunk he
> could hardly hold his drumsticks.

I was surprised a little at Manzarek's age but then the late 60s were 
era of older rock musicians.  Boomer rock stars didn't really emerge 
until the early 70s after the draft.  My first summer club gig in Butte, 
Montana was with a couple of club musicians Manzarek's age.   By the 
time the Beatles came along and rock really started to boom these guys 
were already seasoned performers.

>
>> I think all but Morrison were regular meditators. They may
>> all have been initiated. Some songs had TM lyrics: "Take
>> it easy baby. Take it as it comes."
> And? I still don't get the importance TMers place on
> famous people having once learned TM. Back in those
> days you couldn't throw a rock without hitting someone
> in the entertainment industry who *hadn't* learned TM.
> You would have had to throw one further to find one
> who still practiced it after a couple of months,
> however. A friend of mine in L.A. specialized in
> teaching celebrities; he said that as a general rule
> they *all* quit soon after learning it and moved on
> to the next fad.

Yup, and don't forget it only cost $75 back then unless they convinced 
teachers they were also students.  At that price a lot of people "tried 
it" back then and yup a year later they were into EST or something 
else.  My girlfriend in early 1973 came in raving about TM which she had 
learned over the weekend.  A month later she was off to a weekend 
kundalini intensive either from Yogi Bhajan or Muktananda.  Never 
learned which as I had broken up with her by then.

The jock that was my high school president and fellow University student 
varsity football player (until he was injured playing) even had a cult 
back then.  I used to tell people who were in it to "say hello to Jim 
for me." :-D

[FairfieldLife] Waldo

[doctordumbass]

Name and form (smiley face).

Waldo (2:20)

http://tinyurl.com/l9zglxb

copyright templedog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2013 11:15 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
 Mile wide tornado hits Oklahoma.  But righties will say, "don't worry,
 Jeezuss is coming."
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/oklahoma-city-tornado-2013_n_3308384.html

>>>
>>> Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
>>> get tornadoes?
>>>
>>> Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
>>>
>> Not at all! The same line of storms that tore up Oklahoma City passed to the 
>> east of FF yesterday evening, without even so much as a drop of rain. To the 
>> east, the sky was dark and ominous; to the west, it was sunny. I stood out 
>> in the driveway and watched the lightning off in the distance.
>
> Ah, it must have been the Invincible AMERICA bit that threw me.
>
> Seriously, I'm just watching a report on the news. Unbelievable
> damage, so glad I live on a little island where storms like that
> can't get a good speed up.

We've even seen tornadoes out here in California but they are usually 
small and rare.  In their zeal to destroy government the right has cut 
funding that could have provided more shelters for people in Oklahoma.  
Needless to say tornadoes in Oklahoma are like earthquakes in 
California.  You prepare for them.  One of these in India would have 
added a couple more digits to the death toll because there is no such 
thing as preparedness there, just greedy bastards getting away with 
whatever they can to make money.  Not that we don't have that in the US.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2013 11:09 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> Bhairitu:
>> In general most mantra meditation techniques will
>> cause transcendence.
>>
> No transcendence is because of meditation and no
> 'technique' is going to 'cause' transcendence.
>
> The Transcendent is an already accomplished fact;
> it needs no other light to illuminate it, since
> it is self-luminescent and non-dual.
>
> The practice of 'TM' is not the cause of the
> transcendent - TM just provides the ideal
> opportunity for the experience of no thought.
>
> Because:
>
> subordinating grammatical conjunction
>
> 1: of being; relating to cause and effect; anything
> producing a result; Indo-European; Persian Mitani;
> Celtic-English colloquial phrase, used to explain
> everything in a nutshell;
>
> 2: From Avon, BENOT, as in to Be or not to Be;
>
> 3: a. BEAN, Old Brahmi (Indus Valley Script) term
> for bean counter or accountant; b. BACUZ, from
> Sanskrit Devangiri (after Panini), the Absolute in
> Vedant; from the the root Bra, to Be, as in
> Brah-man, that is, 'Be Mind Think of the Be'; +
> CAUSE, from the Spanish CAUSEWAY; a raised path or
> road above a wetland; 1. from High German, KAUS,
> i.e., anything of interest, e.g., a causal agency.
>
>

Bookish knowledge.  So you are saying there is no such thing as 
transcendental meditation?  I think you've painted yourself into a corner.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Dear FFL TV Reviewers

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2013 10:57 AM, PaliGap wrote:
> I did a search for "American Gothic" on FFL and failed
> to come up with much.
>
> The reason I ask is that my wife and I saw this ages
> ago - and the better half was most impressed. But I believe
> the series got cancelled?
>
> Anyhoo, I discovered it was available on Amazon's LoveFilm
> and so I reserved it some time ago. Yet it has never shown
> up (as a DVD) - even though I set it to "high priority".
>
> And now I get this from Amazon:
>
> "We are currently experiencing higher than expected demand
> for the series 'American Gothic - Series 1' and we are
> currently working to get our hands on more copies.
>
> In the meantime we have moved 'American Gothic - Series 1
> - Disc 1' into your reserved list. When we have more copies
> available we will move it back onto your rental list."
>
> Am I suffering from the problem of trying to access a cult
> classic?

It means someone is sitting on the rights or the rights were written up 
poorly.  It would make a good streaming item.  I may have seen some 
episodes but in 1995-96 didn't watch much TV.  There was much more going 
on with my life back then and if I watched TV at all it was weekends and 
often a rental laserdisc.

In the IMDB comments section the CBS execs that greenlighted it were 
fired after the show debuted.  CBS is known for "soft television" and 
avoiding edgy shows.  Anything edgy usually gets canceled there (such as 
"Jericho").

I suspect our resident eyepatch guy might have some tips though. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] the posse

[doctordumbass]

>From BatGap:

http://tinyurl.com/qb6xtox

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

So, on the one hand, the one person losing $1000, integrates the experience 
into themselves, and learns from it, often having to modify or transcend an 
idea of themselves, to ensure it doesn't happen again.

The other person will always blame others for their misfortune. They are also 
unable to accept internal or external criticism of themselves, always battling 
alone. The more one depends on the stories of the ego, the weaker one becomes. 
Because the stories, used in this way, isolate a person, walling them off from 
the freedom and power available through continuous integration and 
transcending. 

Our Beings are far more powerful than anything the mind can conjure up. The 
path to strengthen the self, through stories and justifications is a dead end. 
It relinquishes the freedom available to it, in continuing adoration of the 
self, becoming weaker and smaller with each choice to do so. 

The self, as defined by the stories of the mind, can never be good enough for 
itself. As it finds itself trapped in its singular edifice, the materials 
needed to continue building start to consist of anger, arrogance, frustration, 
envy, and depletion.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Yeah, all stories have a personal component. The difference is how such a 
> story is perceived by the teller. 
> 
> Let's say two people face the same situation, and each loses $1000. One 
> realizes that he is $1000 poorer, owns it, and resolves to not be in such a 
> situation again. The other sees this as some sort of sign, indicating that he 
> will never get ahead, or that the circumstances were beyond his control, and 
> thus he searches for someone else to blame. Same circumstances, but entirely 
> different stories.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Hm. After I posted this, I clicked on a link and this quote appeared on my 
> > computer screen: 
> > 
> > "Maybe stories are just data with a soul"
> > 
> > The quote is by Brene Brown.
> > 
> > (Perhaps I should have started a different topic about 'stories.' I have 
> > not comment re TB.)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Doc said: "Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" 
> > > route, as a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult 
> > > to make any spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite 
> > > any techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win 
> > > out. "
> > > 
> > > Our stories. I enjoy reading and learning about people's stories which of 
> > > course are typically only brief snapshots. I don't think of the stories 
> > > as foundations, but rather as simply parts of the journey. In one sense 
> > > they are mystical. In "what sense" I wonder? 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps in our sense of how we perceive those stories. We experience our 
> > > events in the now differently that when we look back on the experience of 
> > > those same events later. During the time elapsed between the now and the 
> > > later, we live more and have more contexts from which to view the 
> > > past-now. To be able to detach from the story and look at it like a fly 
> > > on the wall, is another aspect in relating to (or non-relating to) our 
> > > stories. I like to be able to tap the different ways we perceive and 
> > > relate or non-relate to our stories. 
> > > 
> > > I used to think that to "forget the past" was part of attaining spiritual 
> > > oneness with 'god.' I now wish I could remember everything, all the 
> > > stories. Of course, I can't...at least not in my conscious awareness. I 
> > > figure the ones that I may need to remember will present themselves at 
> > > such time I may need them.
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is 
> > > > true, and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > > > 
> > > > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, 
> > > > to serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A 
> > > > foundation in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in 
> > > > ego, is a foundation in stories. 
> > > > 
> > > > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced 
> > > > set of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, 
> > > > in a fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories 
> > > > they tell themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, 
> > > > the point being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, 
> > > > attachment, vs. pure consciousness.
> > > > 
> > > > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in 
> > > > relation to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most 
> > > > spiritual, the most discerning, the most successful, the best taste,

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be
worthy"  -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up;
whereas the others might be
impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-technique\
s, and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the
effort to spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada
yada.
> >
> > We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other
teachings, because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's
being in the audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that
TM teacher there except for him having doubts about TM?'"
> >
> > Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who
would be on one of Rick's panels?  L.B. got banned, right?
> >
> > Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out
in desperation?
>
> Edg, I haven't watched the video, so I really can't comment.
> And as you know, I speak as just a meditator, not an
> initiator. I simply wanted to point out that we were never
> taught (I was never taught) that TM had a special patent on
> transcending *per se* (TM was said to have other competitive
advantages, of course). So please don't read into what I
> said more than was there, OK?

Okay.

Do you have any problem with folks getting the badges taken away if they
attend other spiritual lectures?  Not sure, but I bet the course office
would take a dome badge if anyone but Hagelin choose to be interviewed
by Rick.  Rick.anyone lost a dome badge cuz of these interviews?
>

> As to the quote you want me to comment on, as I say, I
> haven't seen the video, and I'd want to hear it in context.
> Seems to me to get the basic idea across. If I have the
> chance to watch the video, I may get back with further
> analysis.
>
> I don't think "hunches" about whether someone is or is not
> enlightened are particularly useful, and I don't tend to
> entertain them, so I'm not going to comment on that either.
>
> My *guess* is he'd do fine in a solo interview with Rick.
> I'd be surprised if he hadn't had a chance to hone his
> presentation against at least a few really hostile skeptics
> in the course of his TM-related activities, and Rick
> wouldn't be likely to try to crucify him anyway. Whether
> he'd convince you (or me, for that matter) is another
> issue.

You might be right about him handling Rick, cuz Rick is a fine fellow,
and, as you suggest, he doesn't go for the jugular.

Yeah, spelling, rats!

Do you think Hagelin's morality is a bad reflection on the efficacy of
the TM technique to evolve a personality into a more moral being ?  I
think you'd have an "apology" to explain that, but I don't know, so I
ask if you've put it into text yet.

For discussion purposes, let's just talk about anyone who is a "serial
marriage rapist" instead of Hagelin, cuz I only know gossip about him,
so just answer if you think TM affects morality such that a person of
that ilk would be improved in, say, less than ten years of such therapy.
Of course, everyone improves as time goes by, so you'll have to subtract
that from any TM-only results in your appraisal.  Rick says Hagelin is
now a nice married man, so maybe, eh?  But how would you give TM credit
for it if it took so long for him to stop boinking FF's married women? 
Seems to me more likely that he just got tired of the constant stress of
suchlike -- not that TM led him to a higher moral clarity.

Edg






>
> BTW, it's H*A*gelin.
>
>
>
> >
> > Of course, Maharishi can be seen as ecumenical and all-embracing of
everything divine in the actions of others, but that was just good
marketing to keep the priests and nuns and others from getting upset
while he raked in the millons.  Truth be told, TM practice comes along
with TM philosophy, and TM philosophy has core axioms that are logically
contrary to those of other religious efforts.  TM is a religion. 
Period.
> >
> > And, Judy, would you please take a stance on Hegelin's quote.  Do
you agree with his precise wording?
> >
> > "In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga,
there are techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for
example -- which just take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the
transcendental source of thought."
> >
> > Tell us YOUR CONTEXT if you want to be clear here, what you mean
when you use the words "mind, consciousness, awareness."
> >
> > Do you, say, 90-100% believe that Hegelin is enlightened by your
standards? Just asking for your hunch -- of course you can't know for
sure.  If you think he's clear about definitions, then, well, I don't
think there much hope that you're clear about definitions.  I think
Hegelin is nothing more than a well rehearsed parrot, and the parrot was
given the wrong aphorisms to spout by rote.  He's surface clever, and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Monica Lewinsky on the Blue Dress

[doctordumbass]

Shouldn't that artifact be displayed prominently in the Smithsonian 
Presidential collection, perhaps with a black light button, that when pressed, 
illuminates "the DNA", on the dress? I'll bet it would be quite  popular. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Yes, she's still talking about it.
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/monica-lewinsky-discusses-the-blue-dress-19170409
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Mile wide tornado hits Oklahoma.  But righties will say, "don't worry, 
> > > Jeezuss is coming."
> > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/oklahoma-city-tornado-2013_n_3308384.html
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
> > get tornadoes?
> > 
> > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
> >
> 
> Not at all! The same line of storms that tore up Oklahoma City passed to the 
> east of FF yesterday evening, without even so much as a drop of rain. To the 
> east, the sky was dark and ominous; to the west, it was sunny. I stood out in 
> the driveway and watched the lightning off in the distance.


Ah, it must have been the Invincible AMERICA bit that threw me.

Seriously, I'm just watching a report on the news. Unbelievable
damage, so glad I live on a little island where storms like that
can't get a good speed up.

[FairfieldLife] Monica Lewinsky on the Blue Dress

[John]

Yes, she's still talking about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/monica-lewinsky-discusses-the-blue-dress-19170409

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, all stories have a personal component. The difference is how such a story 
is perceived by the teller. 

Let's say two people face the same situation, and each loses $1000. One 
realizes that he is $1000 poorer, owns it, and resolves to not be in such a 
situation again. The other sees this as some sort of sign, indicating that he 
will never get ahead, or that the circumstances were beyond his control, and 
thus he searches for someone else to blame. Same circumstances, but entirely 
different stories.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Hm. After I posted this, I clicked on a link and this quote appeared on my 
> computer screen: 
> 
> "Maybe stories are just data with a soul"
> 
> The quote is by Brene Brown.
> 
> (Perhaps I should have started a different topic about 'stories.' I have not 
> comment re TB.)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Doc said: "Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" 
> > route, as a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to 
> > make any spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> > techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out. "
> > 
> > Our stories. I enjoy reading and learning about people's stories which of 
> > course are typically only brief snapshots. I don't think of the stories as 
> > foundations, but rather as simply parts of the journey. In one sense they 
> > are mystical. In "what sense" I wonder? 
> > 
> > Perhaps in our sense of how we perceive those stories. We experience our 
> > events in the now differently that when we look back on the experience of 
> > those same events later. During the time elapsed between the now and the 
> > later, we live more and have more contexts from which to view the past-now. 
> > To be able to detach from the story and look at it like a fly on the wall, 
> > is another aspect in relating to (or non-relating to) our stories. I like 
> > to be able to tap the different ways we perceive and relate or non-relate 
> > to our stories. 
> > 
> > I used to think that to "forget the past" was part of attaining spiritual 
> > oneness with 'god.' I now wish I could remember everything, all the 
> > stories. Of course, I can't...at least not in my conscious awareness. I 
> > figure the ones that I may need to remember will present themselves at such 
> > time I may need them.
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is 
> > > true, and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > > 
> > > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A 
> > > foundation in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, 
> > > is a foundation in stories. 
> > > 
> > > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, 
> > > vs. pure consciousness.
> > > 
> > > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in 
> > > relation to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, 
> > > the most discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the 
> > > greatest lover, and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > > 
> > > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > > 
> > > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> > > techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > > 
> > > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > > layer after layer of stories.
> > > 
> > > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion

[Richard J. Williams]

Bhairitu:
> In general most mantra meditation techniques will 
> cause transcendence.
>
No transcendence is because of meditation and no
'technique' is going to 'cause' transcendence.

The Transcendent is an already accomplished fact;
it needs no other light to illuminate it, since
it is self-luminescent and non-dual.

The practice of 'TM' is not the cause of the
transcendent - TM just provides the ideal
opportunity for the experience of no thought.

Because:  

subordinating grammatical conjunction

1: of being; relating to cause and effect; anything 
producing a result; Indo-European; Persian Mitani; 
Celtic-English colloquial phrase, used to explain 
everything in a nutshell; 

2: From Avon, BENOT, as in to Be or not to Be; 

3: a. BEAN, Old Brahmi (Indus Valley Script) term 
for bean counter or accountant; b. BACUZ, from 
Sanskrit Devangiri (after Panini), the Absolute in 
Vedant; from the the root Bra, to Be, as in 
Brah-man, that is, 'Be Mind Think of the Be'; + 
CAUSE, from the Spanish CAUSEWAY; a raised path or 
road above a wetland; 1. from High German, KAUS, 
i.e., anything of interest, e.g., a causal agency.

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy"  
> -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the 
> others might be 
> impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, 
> and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to 
> spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.
> 
> We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other teachings, 
> because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's being in the 
> audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM teacher there 
> except for him having doubts about TM?'"  
> 
> Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would be 
> on one of Rick's panels?  L.B. got banned, right?  
> 
> Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
> desperation?

Edg, I haven't watched the video, so I really can't comment.
And as you know, I speak as just a meditator, not an
initiator. I simply wanted to point out that we were never
taught (I was never taught) that TM had a special patent on
transcending *per se* (TM was said to have other competitive advantages, of 
course). So please don't read into what I
said more than was there, OK?

As to the quote you want me to comment on, as I say, I
haven't seen the video, and I'd want to hear it in context.
Seems to me to get the basic idea across. If I have the
chance to watch the video, I may get back with further
analysis.

I don't think "hunches" about whether someone is or is not
enlightened are particularly useful, and I don't tend to
entertain them, so I'm not going to comment on that either.

My *guess* is he'd do fine in a solo interview with Rick.
I'd be surprised if he hadn't had a chance to hone his
presentation against at least a few really hostile skeptics
in the course of his TM-related activities, and Rick
wouldn't be likely to try to crucify him anyway. Whether
he'd convince you (or me, for that matter) is another 
issue.

BTW, it's H*A*gelin.


 
> 
> Of course, Maharishi can be seen as ecumenical and all-embracing of 
> everything divine in the actions of others, but that was just good marketing 
> to keep the priests and nuns and others from getting upset while he raked in 
> the millons.  Truth be told, TM practice comes along with TM philosophy, and 
> TM philosophy has core axioms that are logically contrary to those of other 
> religious efforts.  TM is a religion.  Period.
> 
> And, Judy, would you please take a stance on Hegelin's quote.  Do you agree 
> with his precise wording? 
> 
> "In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga, there 
> are techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for example -- which 
> just take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the transcendental source 
> of thought."
> 
> Tell us YOUR CONTEXT if you want to be clear here, what you mean when you use 
> the words "mind, consciousness, awareness." 
> 
> Do you, say, 90-100% believe that Hegelin is enlightened by your standards? 
> Just asking for your hunch -- of course you can't know for sure.  If you 
> think he's clear about definitions, then, well, I don't think there much hope 
> that you're clear about definitions.  I think Hegelin is nothing more than a 
> well rehearsed parrot, and the parrot was given the wrong aphorisms to spout 
> by rote.  He's surface clever, and I bet he'd be exposed as a buffoon if, 
> say, he'd agree to be interviewed by Rick instead of being on a panel and 
> then ESCAPING FROM QUESTIONS.
> 
> Edg
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > No way, Maharishi would have done the same panel that even faintly 
> > > suggested there were "other meditations that could lead to
> > > transcendence."
> > 
> > Maharishi himself said that, for pete's sake.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Dear FFL TV Reviewers

[PaliGap]

I did a search for "American Gothic" on FFL and failed
to come up with much.

The reason I ask is that my wife and I saw this ages
ago - and the better half was most impressed. But I believe
the series got cancelled?

Anyhoo, I discovered it was available on Amazon's LoveFilm
and so I reserved it some time ago. Yet it has never shown
up (as a DVD) - even though I set it to "high priority".

And now I get this from Amazon:

"We are currently experiencing higher than expected demand
for the series 'American Gothic - Series 1' and we are
currently working to get our hands on more copies.

In the meantime we have moved 'American Gothic - Series 1
- Disc 1' into your reserved list. When we have more copies
available we will move it back onto your rental list."

Am I suffering from the problem of trying to access a cult
classic?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Manzarek Bails

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2013 08:13 AM, Ann wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>>> On Behalf Of Bhairitu
 Was Manzarek just a TM'er or also a teacher? Anyway
 he's bailed from the planet:
>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57585387/ray-manzarek-founding-member-of-the-doors-dies-at-74/
>>>
>>> When my band opened for the Doors he was the only one who could
>>> carry on a conversation.
>> True that. The night I had to light into Jim Morrison
>> he was the only one who seemed even slightly concerned
>> that he had sent a fan to the hospital. Krieger came
>> across as (sorry, but that *was* my impression) dumber
>> than a bucket of hammers and Densmore was so drunk he
>> could hardly hold his drumsticks.
>>
>>> I think all but Morrison were regular meditators. They may
>>> all have been initiated. Some songs had TM lyrics: "Take
>>> it easy baby. Take it as it comes."
>> And? I still don't get the importance TMers place on
>> famous people having once learned TM. Back in those
>> days you couldn't throw a rock without hitting someone
>> in the entertainment industry who *hadn't* learned TM.
>> You would have had to throw one further to find one
>> who still practiced it after a couple of months,
>> however. A friend of mine in L.A. specialized in
>> teaching celebrities; he said that as a general rule
>> they *all* quit soon after learning it and moved on
>> to the next fad.
> Well, of course they do - they're CELEBRITIES! Celebrity is just another word 
> for vacuous, shallow, materialistic, narcissistic and often substance 
> abusers. What do you expect??
>
> And does one have to "specialize" in teaching celebrities? What, the 
> initiator has which special skills other than most likely thinking the whole 
> time he is teaching these "celebrities", "I am not worthy, I am not 
> worthy..."?

Not really but you might want a teacher in the industry because some 
teacher who wasn't might be all "gaga" over celebrities.  Also back in 
the day you would probably want a special course because celebrities in 
the regular classes might have caused a distraction. We offered special 
courses for businesses or night workers.  Since I worked nights as a 
musician I offered to do daytime classes at the center.

[FairfieldLife] Homage To Materialism

[PaliGap]

Or "For Salyavin808".

Headline grabber:
"I weaved through a jumbled Picasso of bellybuttons, nipples,
sagging breasts, hairy backs and jiggling thighs"

Or for FFL readers whose minds are obviously focused on
higher planes:
"Plato says in one of his dialogues, "Soul is the master,
and matter its natural subject.""

I Am Not This Body
--
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/i-am-not-this-body/

"So, too, pry behind the rich graphics flashing across the screen
of being...and you arrive at the imbecilic machinery of it all"

All the same - I think he is wrong.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[doctordumbass]

Feeling hungry?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > > wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
> > > > get tornadoes?
> > > > 
> > > > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
> > > 
> > > Instead it was pissed away to support and perpetuate the 
> > > fantasies of a few people that bouncing around on their 
> > > butts actually accomplishes something. 
> > > 
> > > Just FYI, $100,000,000 is enough to feed 40 million people
> > > for a year.
> > 
> > Right, at $2.50 per person per year.
> 
> The math I did was based on a statement on the Web
> that $2.5 million would feed a million people for
> a year. $2.50 a person DOES seem rather low to pull
> that off, now that you've mentioned it. 
> 
> > > That would have included some of the 10.5 
> > > million children on the planet who died of starvation 
> > > during the seven years they threw money at "Invincible 
> > > America."
> > > 
> > > I'd suggest that the Settles should feel a little sicker 
> > > about that than a few tornadoes.
> > 
> > It's hard to imagine the twistedness of the mind that
> > could write the above.
> 
> I stand by my statement. The money *could* have been 
> spent somewhere it might have done some real good,
> like feeding the hungry. I guess I'm irate because
> until the figure was mentioned by Bevan I had no 
> idea how *much* money he'd flushed down the toilet.
> 
> Only a fanatic could justify spending that kind of 
> money on nonsense like "Yogic Flying." I have seen 
> NO evidence that it's anything *more* than people 
> bouncing around on their butts. 
> 
> All of this money was spent to honor the memory and
> the fantasies of a dead guy who doesn't deserve the
> honor, and to perpetuate the fantasies of a bunch of
> people who think they're actually being "spiritual"
> and "saving the world" by practicing his made-up
> nonsense. 
> 
> Some here may pussyfoot around the subject out of 
> "loyalty" to Maharishi and an unwillingness to admit
> that there is no proof that ANY of his ideas about
> the so-called "ME" were true. But I won't. 
> 
> It's a waste of time, and an *astounding* waste of
> money. While I may admire Mr. Settle's desire to help
> people, I cannot pretend that he actually did so by 
> encouraging him or anyone else to believe in the 
> fantasies of one old con man. 
> 
> Just because you believe this horseshit does not mean
> that I do, or should. I think that "Yogic Flying" does
> absolutely nothing but waste the time of the people
> doing it while puffing up their egos. Do not expect
> me to praise someone who spent this much money trying
> to perpetuate the practice. To do so is to become as
> delusional as Buck and his "Come back to the domes"
> crap. 
> 
> I wouldn't "Come back to the domes" if someone paid
> ME 100 million dollars. To do so would be to waste
> the most precious resource I have -- time.
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:23 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John 
Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

 

  

Thanks Rick,

Somehow I missed that you interviewed yourself. Got links?

http://batgap.com/rick-archer-richard-miller/ and 

http://batgap.com/rick-archer-alex-tsakiris/

Do the links show us how you'd define "mind, consciousness and awareness?"

Any yeah, if Hegelin gave a first lecture to a newbie audience, of course, the 
concepts themselves would do great stuff to the common mind. Of course, Hegelin 
has done some goodif only to model his being a true-believer in his 
community of physicists. 

But I'm so tired of everyone using the same nomenclature and not having any 
logical consistency in their use and then NOT SEEING THIS in the usage of 
others and getting all huffy about stuff when no one is actually talking to 
anyone with the same definitions.

Maharishi said that even abandoned churches did spiritual good by reminding 
folks that "once there was such certainty about God that this edifice was 
constructed." Like that, I can see Hegelin's place in the order of things, and 
I think it's wonderful for you to cut him that kind of break.

The thing is, Hegelin's part of the money. If the movement were not paying him 
THE MONEY, (What?maybe $100,000/year?) he'd not be prancing around for 
free. He MUST know about the actuality of the money, Girish, the deaths, the 
fraud, etc. For him to spout sacred truths in a fuzzy manner and take no 
questions and then expect others to honor him for his great acumen gets me 
saying BAH!

Same goes for Bevan.

The nice thing about evolution is that it’s relentless. We can get stuck for a 
while, but not forever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Vermont Is 4th State to Legalize Assisted Suicide"

[John]

Carol,

IMO, suicide is morally wrong.  So, if the state is assisting this act, then it 
too is participating in a morally wrong act.

Yes, for most of us, death is time of grief.  But it's a natural fact that we 
cannot avoid and must accept.

Depending on your belief, death can be considered an ascension to the spiritual 
world.  If you're an atheist, then it's the end of life as you know it.

JR







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/proponents-hail-vt-assisted-suicide-bill-19220276#.UZuD3aI-abO
> 
> Links to couple more pieces I read this morning regarding this subject.
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-speckhardt/assisted-suicide_b_3087201.html
> 
> http://www.deathwithdignity.org/2011/04/25/death-dignity-isnt-suicide
> 
> I've often thought that we offer our pets assisted death with dignity. Why 
> not have the same for the humanoid animals.
> 
> I could never ask a friend or family member to end my life. Well, I don't 
> think I could. I think I would have to administer my own remedy and let my 
> family know ahead of time, to give them time to say good bye. But even that 
> sounds kind of morbid. Death can be a morbid subject. 
> 
> Hmm...premature death can be morbid. Death as the next step along the journey 
> is't so much morbid as it is grief-filled. 
> 
> I don't know what I believe about what comes after death other than I'll know 
> when I get there.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[Share Long]

Plus, as of May 18, 2013, Iowa had been tornado free for 358 days, breaking the 
previous record of 356 days.  However, I think there were some tornadoes in 
Iowa yesterday or the day before.



http://www.startribune.com/local/208021521.html?refer=y




 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Mile wide tornado hits Oklahoma.  But righties will say, "don't worry, 
> > Jeezuss is coming."
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/oklahoma-city-tornado-2013_n_3308384.html
> >
> 
> 
> Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
> get tornadoes?
> 
> Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
>

Not at all! The same line of storms that tore up Oklahoma City passed to the 
east of FF yesterday evening, without even so much as a drop of rain. To the 
east, the sky was dark and ominous; to the west, it was sunny. I stood out in 
the driveway and watched the lightning off in the distance.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

Thanks Rick,

Somehow I missed that you interviewed yourself.  Got links?

Do the links show us how you'd define "mind, consciousness and awareness?"

Any yeah, if Hegelin gave a first lecture to a newbie audience, of course, the 
concepts themselves would do great stuff to the common mind.  Of course, 
Hegelin has done some goodif only to model his being a true-believer in his 
community of physicists.  

But I'm so tired of everyone using the same nomenclature and not having any 
logical consistency in their use and then NOT SEEING THIS in the usage of 
others and getting all huffy about stuff when no one is actually talking to 
anyone with the same definitions.

Maharishi said that even abandoned churches did spiritual good by reminding 
folks that "once there was such certainty about God that this edifice was 
constructed."  Like that, I can see Hegelin's place in the order of things, and 
I think it's wonderful for you to cut him that kind of break.

The thing is, Hegelin's part of the money.  If the movement were not paying him 
THE MONEY, (What?maybe $100,000/year?) he'd not be prancing around for 
free.  He MUST know about the actuality of the money, Girish, the deaths, the 
fraud, etc.  For him to spout sacred truths in a fuzzy manner and take no 
questions and then expect others to honor him for his great acumen gets me 
saying BAH!

Same goes for Bevan.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Duveyoung
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:33 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion â€â€Å" John 
> Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Rick,
> 
> Of course Hegelin won't come off as holier-than-thou, cuz, natch, he's 
> practiced in the art of civil conversation. And he's smart and accomplished 
> in the real world, so it wouldn't be like him to have low self esteem such 
> that he'd need to put on airs in order to shore up some public image. 
> 
> But note Hegelin's immoral sex life. There's his actual superiority complex 
> running close to red-line. That is: other people's ideas about marital 
> fidelity are to be trod upon without any civility. 
> 
> That can't be ignored. He's a sex addict who harms others without 
> compunction, and probably that personality-dynamic hasn't been dented in the 
> least by TM practice any more than, say, homosexuality would be impacted. 
> Somethings are inborn that TM would label immoral or not evolutionary, etc. 
> Harming others so arbitrarily simply CANNOT be dharmic unless the others are 
> purely demonic and one has the ken of Krishna. Unless he openly confessed 
> about such things and vowed to never indulge again, and offer reasons why we 
> should believe him against all evidence, he can't be enlightened, and so he 
> shouldn't be on ANY panel. 
> 
> Are any of us qualified to cast the first stone? I’ve griped here about 
> John’s alleged sexual misbehavior, but maybe he’s matured and moved 
> beyond that. He is married now. A public apology would be impressive, but 
> don’t hold your breath.
> 
> And of course, his words would be well received, cuz, WHO HAS TAKEN THE TIME 
> TO GET CLEAR ABOUT THE AXIOMS? Answer: but few.
> 
> I spouted TM jargon and wisdom for 29 years and I had never really thought 
> anywhere nearly as deeply about things as I would have vociferously asserted 
> if I'd been challenged. It took me three years of daily study of Advaita to 
> finally get what I was missing -- it was my definitions and how I was using 
> them. They weren't axiomatically in harmony with each other. And it took a 
> lot to correct that.
> 
> I think Hegelin, and most FFL posters have NOT got the clarity to 
> authentically use most of the words they use. Inconsistency is the norm. I 
> saw it in Maharishi's Gita too. 
> 
> And Rick, you've hung around so many of these folks, isn't it about time that 
> you interviewed yourself for all of us? 
> 
> I would love to hear, and I would STUDY what you say about "mind, 
> consciousness, awareness" such that they are delineated as very different 
> concepts. 
> 
> I’ve been interviewed twice on BatGap, for what it’s worth.
> 
> Regarding Hagelin, MMY, Sai Baba, and whoever, my attitude is that if 
> you’re a human being, you’re flawed. Everyone’s making some 
> contribution, and probably making harmful mistakes along the way, but you 
> have to take the person on the whole, and most spiritual teachers do more 
> good than harm. We’re all holding up our sticks.
> 
> 
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , "Rick Archer" mailto:rick@> > wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >   
> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Mile wide tornado hits Oklahoma.  But righties will say, "don't worry, 
> > Jeezuss is coming."
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/oklahoma-city-tornado-2013_n_3308384.html
> >
> 
> 
> Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
> get tornadoes?
> 
> Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
>

Not at all! The same line of storms that tore up Oklahoma City passed to the 
east of FF yesterday evening, without even so much as a drop of rain. To the 
east, the sky was dark and ominous; to the west, it was sunny. I stood out in 
the driveway and watched the lightning off in the distance.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2013 09:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
>   
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of authfriend
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:09 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., 
> Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
>
>   
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , Duveyoung mailto:no_reply@...> > wrote:
> (snip)
>> No way, Maharishi would have done the same panel that even faintly
>> suggested there were "other meditations that could lead to
>> transcendence."
> Maharishi himself said that, for pete's sake.
>
> But he did always emphasize that TM was the most natural and effective, and 
> that if anything were as natural and effective as TM, then essentially, it 
> was TM, though it might be called something different.

IOW, a bit of doublespeak.  He knew there were lots of techniques that 
were more powerful but many of those would not be for the general 
public.  That statement also suggests that TM isn't that much different 
from a lot of other meditation techniques.  In general most mantra 
meditation techniques will cause transcendence.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:33 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

 

  

Rick,

Of course Hegelin won't come off as holier-than-thou, cuz, natch, he's 
practiced in the art of civil conversation. And he's smart and accomplished in 
the real world, so it wouldn't be like him to have low self esteem such that 
he'd need to put on airs in order to shore up some public image. 

But note Hegelin's immoral sex life. There's his actual superiority complex 
running close to red-line. That is: other people's ideas about marital fidelity 
are to be trod upon without any civility. 

That can't be ignored. He's a sex addict who harms others without compunction, 
and probably that personality-dynamic hasn't been dented in the least by TM 
practice any more than, say, homosexuality would be impacted. Somethings are 
inborn that TM would label immoral or not evolutionary, etc. Harming others so 
arbitrarily simply CANNOT be dharmic unless the others are purely demonic and 
one has the ken of Krishna. Unless he openly confessed about such things and 
vowed to never indulge again, and offer reasons why we should believe him 
against all evidence, he can't be enlightened, and so he shouldn't be on ANY 
panel. 

Are any of us qualified to cast the first stone? I’ve griped here about John’s 
alleged sexual misbehavior, but maybe he’s matured and moved beyond that. He is 
married now. A public apology would be impressive, but don’t hold your breath.

And of course, his words would be well received, cuz, WHO HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO 
GET CLEAR ABOUT THE AXIOMS? Answer: but few.

I spouted TM jargon and wisdom for 29 years and I had never really thought 
anywhere nearly as deeply about things as I would have vociferously asserted if 
I'd been challenged. It took me three years of daily study of Advaita to 
finally get what I was missing -- it was my definitions and how I was using 
them. They weren't axiomatically in harmony with each other. And it took a lot 
to correct that.

I think Hegelin, and most FFL posters have NOT got the clarity to authentically 
use most of the words they use. Inconsistency is the norm. I saw it in 
Maharishi's Gita too. 

And Rick, you've hung around so many of these folks, isn't it about time that 
you interviewed yourself for all of us? 

I would love to hear, and I would STUDY what you say about "mind, 
consciousness, awareness" such that they are delineated as very different 
concepts. 

I’ve been interviewed twice on BatGap, for what it’s worth.

Regarding Hagelin, MMY, Sai Baba, and whoever, my attitude is that if you’re a 
human being, you’re flawed. Everyone’s making some contribution, and probably 
making harmful mistakes along the way, but you have to take the person on the 
whole, and most spiritual teachers do more good than harm. We’re all holding up 
our sticks.



Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , 
"Rick Archer" mailto:rick@...> > wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   
> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>  ] On Behalf Of Duveyoung
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
> 
> 
> Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy" 
> -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the 
> others might be 
> impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, 
> and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to 
> spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.
> 
> We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other teachings, 
> because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's being in the 
> audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM teacher there 
> except for him having doubts about TM?'" 
> 
> Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would be 
> on one of Rick's panels? L.B. got banned, right? 
> 
> Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
> desperation? 
> I think he agreed to participate because I was his initiator, so he has a 
> soft spot in his heart for me. I don’t sense any desperation in John. Such 
> conferences are small in the big scheme of things, but rather significant in 
> the contemporary spiritual scene. Hagelin’s talks at that conference are 
> very well received. He’s very diplomatic. He doesn’t mention TM and MMY, 
> but people all kn

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

Rick,

Of course Hegelin won't come off as holier-than-thou, cuz, natch, he's 
practiced in the art of civil conversation.  And he's smart and accomplished in 
the real world, so it wouldn't be like him to have low self esteem such that 
he'd need to put on airs in order to shore up some public image.  

But note Hegelin's immoral sex life.  There's his actual superiority complex 
running close to red-line.   That is:  other people's ideas about marital 
fidelity are to be trod upon without any civility.  

That can't be ignored.  He's a sex addict who harms others without compunction, 
 and probably that personality-dynamic hasn't been dented in the least by TM 
practice any more than, say,  homosexuality would be impacted.  Somethings are 
inborn that TM would label immoral or not evolutionary, etc.  Harming others so 
arbitrarily simply CANNOT be dharmic unless the others are purely demonic and 
one has the ken of Krishna. Unless he openly confessed about such things and 
vowed to never indulge again, and offer reasons why we should believe him 
against all evidence, he can't be enlightened, and so he shouldn't be on ANY 
panel.   

And of course, his words would be well received, cuz, WHO HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO 
GET CLEAR ABOUT THE AXIOMS?  Answer:  but few.

I spouted TM jargon and wisdom for 29 years and I had never really thought 
anywhere nearly as deeply about things as I would have vociferously asserted if 
I'd been challenged.  It took me three years of daily study of Advaita to 
finally get what I was missing -- it was my definitions and how I was using 
them.  They weren't axiomatically in harmony with each other.  And it took a 
lot to correct that.

I think Hegelin, and most FFL posters have NOT got the clarity to authentically 
use most of the words they use.  Inconsistency is the norm.  I saw it in 
Maharishi's Gita too.  

And Rick, you've hung around so many of these folks, isn't it about time that 
you interviewed yourself for all of us?  

I would love to hear, and I would STUDY what you say about "mind, 
consciousness, awareness" such that they are delineated as very different 
concepts.

Edg



   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Duveyoung
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:49 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, 
> Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
>  
>   
> Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy" 
> -- TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the 
> others might be 
> impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, 
> and that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to 
> spread the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.
> 
> We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other teachings, 
> because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's being in the 
> audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM teacher there 
> except for him having doubts about TM?'" 
> 
> Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would be 
> on one of Rick's panels? L.B. got banned, right? 
> 
> Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
> desperation? 
> I think he agreed to participate because I was his initiator, so he has a 
> soft spot in his heart for me. I don’t sense any desperation in John. Such 
> conferences are small in the big scheme of things, but rather significant in 
> the contemporary spiritual scene. Hagelin’s talks at that conference are 
> very well received. He’s very diplomatic. He doesn’t mention TM and MMY, 
> but people all know he represents them. They’re on some of his slides. 
> He’s respectful of other teachers with whom he participates in panel 
> discussions. He doesn’t come across as holier-than-thou.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] OT Patents are quite valuable?

[Bhairitu]

On 05/21/2013 01:34 AM, card wrote:
> There have been many discussions and speculations regarding Nokia's (NOK) 
> patent portfolio. Over the years, the company has spent billions (more 
> specifically, $65 billion in the last 20 years according to the company's 
> latest annual report) of dollars for R&D activities in order to build a 
> portfolio that is highly valuable. Currently, Nokia owns a lot of 
> technologies that are crucial for building a mobile phone regardless of 
> whether it's a feature phone or a smartphone. Around the world, almost every 
> major phone company has to pay Nokia fees for the usage of its patented 
> technologies. Without Nokia's technologies, it is nearly impossible to build 
> a mobile phone, let alone a smartphone.
>
> http://seekingalpha.com/article/1448021-this-is-how-much-nokia-made-from-patents-last-year
>
>

They should have spent that money to build better products. Instead they 
have become a patent troll and probably based on patents that shouldn't 
have been granted.  BTW, I suspect they actually DID spend that money on 
building better products.  In case you don't know, you have someone or a 
small team poor over things your R&D development as well as your product 
development and see if there is anything patentable.  But patents for 
just the way binary logic works or for silly things like round corners 
should not be granted. The problem is that Nokia rested on their laurels 
and fell behind.

Nokia should rename themselves "Sue'em" but I think Apple has an 
application for that trademark submitted already.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:09 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., 
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , 
Duveyoung mailto:no_reply@...> > wrote:
(snip)
> No way, Maharishi would have done the same panel that even faintly 
> suggested there were "other meditations that could lead to
> transcendence."

Maharishi himself said that, for pete's sake.

But he did always emphasize that TM was the most natural and effective, and 
that if anything were as natural and effective as TM, then essentially, it was 
TM, though it might be called something different.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:49 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., 
Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer
 
  
Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy" -- 
TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the others 
might be 
impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, and 
that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to spread 
the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.

We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other teachings, 
because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's being in the 
audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM teacher there 
except for him having doubts about TM?'" 

Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would be 
on one of Rick's panels? L.B. got banned, right? 

Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
desperation? 
I think he agreed to participate because I was his initiator, so he has a soft 
spot in his heart for me. I don’t sense any desperation in John. Such 
conferences are small in the big scheme of things, but rather significant in 
the contemporary spiritual scene. Hagelin’s talks at that conference are very 
well received. He’s very diplomatic. He doesn’t mention TM and MMY, but people 
all know he represents them. They’re on some of his slides. He’s respectful of 
other teachers with whom he participates in panel discussions. He doesn’t come 
across as holier-than-thou.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Salyavin, I'm familiar with research in which a person acts a nanosecond 
> before they PERCEIVE the stimulus.  I'm pretty sure it was a HeartMath study 
> mentioned in Bruce Lipton's Biology of Belief.  But I think they were 
> presenting it as an indication that there is a field that unites all and 
> conveys information.  But maybe you're mentioning some other research about 
> free will.

Different studies. We have no free will in the sense we think we have that the 
"we" in our heads makes the decisions. But I'm sure it's
a debate that will rage.

> Prompted by something carde said, I'm wondering if you agree with scientists 
> who say that atoms are mainly empty space.

Yes, of course. I read that if you took the entire human race
and crushed us up so all the empty space was gone we'd be the
size of a sugar cube.

 
> Slowly but surely I'm wondering if maybe WHOLE brain activation has either 
> not happened yet or has happened but science has not had the instruments to 
> measure it.  What do you think?    

No idea if it's important but the idea that we only use 10% of our
brains is a myth. Unless you enjoy Britain's Got Talent of course.


 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:43 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Inspired by something Xeno said I ask you Salyavin:  does consciousness 
> > emerge from matter or does matter emerge from consciousness?  Or is 
> > something else altogether happening?
> 
> "Does matter emerge from consciousness?" It's a weird mystical
> idea that started in the far east and was an early interpretation
> of quantum mechanics. I can't see how the statement makes sense,
> it seems to contradict everything we know about evolution both
> of life and the universe itself. 
> 
> I don't see how you can keep the second law of thermodynamics if everything 
> is from the mind, unless god doesn't care about his creation after all. 
> Basically, cosmic consciousness must be falling
> apart too just like everything else. Like all quantum mystical 
> ideas it complicates things unnecessarily. It helps sell yagyas 
> though but I don't like the idea of perpetuating ancient religions with the 
> language of science especially when it isn't very good science.
> 
> I've been reading about free will (or the lack of it) all day,
> some interesting experiments can be done to demonstrate that
> your brain makes a measurable decision to act up to a second
> before you "decide" to do something. Consciousness appears to
> be last in a chain of neurophysiological events. Not sure how
> that would give it primacy over everything else.
> 
> "Does consciousness emerge from matter?" That's more like it,
> it fits in with observations and doesn't require gods, whether
> quantum or biblical. There is even a fabulous structure in our 
> heads that can be measured to be displaying consciousness and 
> having thoughts. Give me the most obvious explanation every 
> time.
> 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:32 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> > Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin wrote:  Once you have enough brain cells you have 
> > > consciousness.  Share asks:  I've been reading all of 
> > > today's posts, again with mixed success.  Anyway, I'm guessing 
> > > that I have the same amount of brain cells right now that I had during 
> > > last night when I was dreaming and also when I was sleeping without 
> > > dreams.  I was pretty conscious during the dreams.  I 
> > > feel very conscious at this moment.  But I'm pretty sure I was 
> > > not conscious during the whole night.  So it would seem that even 
> > > though the number of brain cells remains constant, consciousness, as an 
> > > experience, does not.      
> > 
> > I meant that you need a certain amount to generate consciousness
> > anyway. They stay amount stays the same overnight. But the fact 
> > that it gets switched off at night is another interesting 
> > evolutionary adaptation. Must take up a lot of energy generating 
> > all that bright inner awareness. The brain needs a bit of down time
> > to assimilate the days events and reset itself or we go mad. Really.
> > And then there's keeping us out of trouble in the dark where our
> > primary sense isn't any use. Amazing thing really.
> > 
> > I got knocked out and lost my memory once, that was interestin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect him to be able to laugh at himself. The ego stories, 
though they are a refuge, are extremely fragile, and must be defended at all 
costs. That is also why he tried to retaliate with a strike at what he thinks 
my identity is. But how does a person retaliate against silence? (smiley face)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Even your response to me is reactive and shallow, emotionally based. I see 
> > right through you.:-)
> 
> C'mon Doc, can't you see it? This is Barry's way of "laughing at himself". 
> See how good he is at it?
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sez the person so lonely and starved for attention that
> > > he MADE UP stories about being enlightened. 
> > > 
> > > Don't you GET it? NO ONE here believes you're enlight-
> > > ened. You have to go to Batgap to find people stupid
> > > enough to believe that. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is 
> > > > true, and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > > > 
> > > > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, 
> > > > to serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A 
> > > > foundation in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in 
> > > > ego, is a foundation in stories. 
> > > > 
> > > > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced 
> > > > set of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, 
> > > > in a fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories 
> > > > they tell themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, 
> > > > the point being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, 
> > > > attachment, vs. pure consciousness.
> > > > 
> > > > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in 
> > > > relation to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most 
> > > > spiritual, the most discerning, the most successful, the best taste, 
> > > > and the greatest lover, and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one 
> > > > up).
> > > > 
> > > > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > > > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying 
> > > > the fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > > > 
> > > > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as 
> > > > a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make 
> > > > any spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> > > > techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > > > 
> > > > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > > > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to 
> > > > make his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over 
> > > > with warm layer after layer of stories.
> > > > 
> > > > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > > > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

Maharishi never authenticated other techniques as "guaranteed to be worthy"  -- 
TM being the only technique with 5,000 years backing it up; whereas the others 
might be 
impure-so-be-careful-of-these-seemingly-maybe-sorta-okay-other-techniques, and 
that one had to be careful to have this long tradition or the effort to spread 
the technique would not be supported by nature -- yada yada.

We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other teachings, 
because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's being in the 
audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM teacher there 
except for him having doubts about TM?'"  

Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would be 
on one of Rick's panels?  L.B. got banned, right?  

Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
desperation? 

Of course, Maharishi can be seen as ecumenical and all-embracing of everything 
divine in the actions of others, but that was just good marketing to keep the 
priests and nuns and others from getting upset while he raked in the millons.  
Truth be told, TM practice comes along with TM philosophy, and TM philosophy 
has core axioms that are logically contrary to those of other religious 
efforts.  TM is a religion.  Period.

And, Judy, would you please take a stance on Hegelin's quote.  Do you agree 
with his precise wording? 

"In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga, there are 
techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for example -- which just 
take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the transcendental source of 
thought."

Tell us YOUR CONTEXT if you want to be clear here, what you mean when you use 
the words "mind, consciousness, awareness." 

Do you, say, 90-100% believe that Hegelin is enlightened by your standards? 
Just asking for your hunch -- of course you can't know for sure.  If you think 
he's clear about definitions, then, well, I don't think there much hope that 
you're clear about definitions.  I think Hegelin is nothing more than a well 
rehearsed parrot, and the parrot was given the wrong aphorisms to spout by 
rote.  He's surface clever, and I bet he'd be exposed as a buffoon if, say, 
he'd agree to be interviewed by Rick instead of being on a panel and then 
ESCAPING FROM QUESTIONS.

Edg
  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> (snip)
> > No way, Maharishi would have done the same panel that even faintly 
> > suggested there were "other meditations that could lead to
> > transcendence."
> 
> Maharishi himself said that, for pete's sake.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, nothing wrong with stories - either as recollection of past events, or 
just stuff we make up on the spur of the moment. The stickler comes when and if 
we are choosing such selected stories as identity - getting attached to them. 
Very difficult to explain this for me. Everything is here for discovery, 
enjoyment, lessons, etc.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Doc said: "Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" 
> route, as a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to 
> make any spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out. "
> 
> Our stories. I enjoy reading and learning about people's stories which of 
> course are typically only brief snapshots. I don't think of the stories as 
> foundations, but rather as simply parts of the journey. In one sense they are 
> mystical. In "what sense" I wonder? 
> 
> Perhaps in our sense of how we perceive those stories. We experience our 
> events in the now differently that when we look back on the experience of 
> those same events later. During the time elapsed between the now and the 
> later, we live more and have more contexts from which to view the past-now. 
> To be able to detach from the story and look at it like a fly on the wall, is 
> another aspect in relating to (or non-relating to) our stories. I like to be 
> able to tap the different ways we perceive and relate or non-relate to our 
> stories. 
> 
> I used to think that to "forget the past" was part of attaining spiritual 
> oneness with 'god.' I now wish I could remember everything, all the stories. 
> Of course, I can't...at least not in my conscious awareness. I figure the 
> ones that I may need to remember will present themselves at such time I may 
> need them.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> > and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > 
> > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> > in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> > foundation in stories. 
> > 
> > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. 
> > pure consciousness.
> > 
> > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> > to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> > discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, 
> > and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > 
> > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > 
> > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> > practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > 
> > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > layer after layer of stories.
> > 
> > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Your reply, and what I posted previously, reminded me of the choice we all 
make, once we start down the pathless path. The minute the reliable 
transcending begins, the self (ego) and the Self (silence) begin duking it out 
for supremacy.

Only two choices:

1) Continue the momentum of transcending all identification, in order to gain 
liberation. The mindset is oriented towards getting out of one's own way.

2) Hinder the momentum of transcending all identification. Identify with 
objects in the mind that falsely identify oneself. Cheap thrills. The mindset 
is one of glorifying the false story of one's self.

The aptly named choice Number Two, is selected inadvertently, either out of a 
lack of faith, or misguided intent. We are all taught stories as we are raised. 
self awareness grows, until we are oriented as to what our personal, familial, 
and social relationships are. After reaching maturity, though, we have the 
freedom to chart our own path through the landscape we are now aware of. 

If we choose a path to discover a larger world, less obvious than apparent, 
what is called the spiritual path, then liberation through surrender is the 
only option. It is a struggle either way, but if the self wins out, although it 
always thinks it is winning, all is lost.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Even your response to me is reactive and shallow, emotionally based. I see 
> right through you.:-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Sez the person so lonely and starved for attention that
> > he MADE UP stories about being enlightened. 
> > 
> > Don't you GET it? NO ONE here believes you're enlight-
> > ened. You have to go to Batgap to find people stupid
> > enough to believe that. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is 
> > > true, and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > > 
> > > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A 
> > > foundation in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, 
> > > is a foundation in stories. 
> > > 
> > > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, 
> > > vs. pure consciousness.
> > > 
> > > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in 
> > > relation to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, 
> > > the most discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the 
> > > greatest lover, and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > > 
> > > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > > 
> > > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> > > techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > > 
> > > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > > layer after layer of stories.
> > > 
> > > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> (snip)
> > > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and you *still*
> > > get tornadoes?
> > > 
> > > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
> > 
> > Instead it was pissed away to support and perpetuate the 
> > fantasies of a few people that bouncing around on their 
> > butts actually accomplishes something. 
> > 
> > Just FYI, $100,000,000 is enough to feed 40 million people
> > for a year.
> 
> Right, at $2.50 per person per year.

The math I did was based on a statement on the Web
that $2.5 million would feed a million people for
a year. $2.50 a person DOES seem rather low to pull
that off, now that you've mentioned it. 

> > That would have included some of the 10.5 
> > million children on the planet who died of starvation 
> > during the seven years they threw money at "Invincible 
> > America."
> > 
> > I'd suggest that the Settles should feel a little sicker 
> > about that than a few tornadoes.
> 
> It's hard to imagine the twistedness of the mind that
> could write the above.

I stand by my statement. The money *could* have been 
spent somewhere it might have done some real good,
like feeding the hungry. I guess I'm irate because
until the figure was mentioned by Bevan I had no 
idea how *much* money he'd flushed down the toilet.

Only a fanatic could justify spending that kind of 
money on nonsense like "Yogic Flying." I have seen 
NO evidence that it's anything *more* than people 
bouncing around on their butts. 

All of this money was spent to honor the memory and
the fantasies of a dead guy who doesn't deserve the
honor, and to perpetuate the fantasies of a bunch of
people who think they're actually being "spiritual"
and "saving the world" by practicing his made-up
nonsense. 

Some here may pussyfoot around the subject out of 
"loyalty" to Maharishi and an unwillingness to admit
that there is no proof that ANY of his ideas about
the so-called "ME" were true. But I won't. 

It's a waste of time, and an *astounding* waste of
money. While I may admire Mr. Settle's desire to help
people, I cannot pretend that he actually did so by 
encouraging him or anyone else to believe in the 
fantasies of one old con man. 

Just because you believe this horseshit does not mean
that I do, or should. I think that "Yogic Flying" does
absolutely nothing but waste the time of the people
doing it while puffing up their egos. Do not expect
me to praise someone who spent this much money trying
to perpetuate the practice. To do so is to become as
delusional as Buck and his "Come back to the domes"
crap. 

I wouldn't "Come back to the domes" if someone paid
ME 100 million dollars. To do so would be to waste
the most precious resource I have -- time. 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[Share Long]

Salyavin, I'm familiar with research in which a person acts a nanosecond before 
they PERCEIVE the stimulus.  I'm pretty sure it was a HeartMath study mentioned 
in Bruce Lipton's Biology of Belief.  But I think they were presenting it as an 
indication that there is a field that unites all and conveys information.  But 
maybe you're mentioning some other research about free will.


Prompted by something carde said, I'm wondering if you agree with scientists 
who say that atoms are mainly empty space.

Slowly but surely I'm wondering if maybe WHOLE brain activation has either not 
happened yet or has happened but science has not had the instruments to measure 
it.  What do you think?    



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Inspired by something Xeno said I ask you Salyavin:  does consciousness 
> emerge from matter or does matter emerge from consciousness?  Or is 
> something else altogether happening?

"Does matter emerge from consciousness?" It's a weird mystical
idea that started in the far east and was an early interpretation
of quantum mechanics. I can't see how the statement makes sense,
it seems to contradict everything we know about evolution both
of life and the universe itself. 

I don't see how you can keep the second law of thermodynamics if everything is 
from the mind, unless god doesn't care about his creation after all. Basically, 
cosmic consciousness must be falling
apart too just like everything else. Like all quantum mystical 
ideas it complicates things unnecessarily. It helps sell yagyas 
though but I don't like the idea of perpetuating ancient religions with the 
language of science especially when it isn't very good science.

I've been reading about free will (or the lack of it) all day,
some interesting experiments can be done to demonstrate that
your brain makes a measurable decision to act up to a second
before you "decide" to do something. Consciousness appears to
be last in a chain of neurophysiological events. Not sure how
that would give it primacy over everything else.

"Does consciousness emerge from matter?" That's more like it,
it fits in with observations and doesn't require gods, whether
quantum or biblical. There is even a fabulous structure in our 
heads that can be measured to be displaying consciousness and 
having thoughts. Give me the most obvious explanation every 
time.

> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:32 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Salyavin wrote:  Once you have enough brain cells you have 
> > consciousness.  Share asks:  I've been reading all of today's posts, 
> > again with mixed success.  Anyway, I'm guessing that I have the same 
> > amount of brain cells right now that I had during last night when I was 
> > dreaming and also when I was sleeping without dreams.  I was pretty 
> > conscious during the dreams.  I feel very conscious at this moment.  
> > But I'm pretty sure I was not conscious during the whole night.  So it 
> > would seem that even though the number of brain cells remains constant, 
> > consciousness, as an experience, does not.      
> 
> I meant that you need a certain amount to generate consciousness
> anyway. They stay amount stays the same overnight. But the fact 
> that it gets switched off at night is another interesting 
> evolutionary adaptation. Must take up a lot of energy generating 
> all that bright inner awareness. The brain needs a bit of down time
> to assimilate the days events and reset itself or we go mad. Really.
> And then there's keeping us out of trouble in the dark where our
> primary sense isn't any use. Amazing thing really.
> 
> I got knocked out and lost my memory once, that was interesting.
> I'll do a post about it tomorrow as it had a lot of fascinating
> features for a philosophical chap like me.
> 
> > 
> > PS  I realize I'm taking little baby steps.  It's the best I can do 
> > with this topic.  Thanks for your patience.  BTW, speaking of the hot 
> > human brain, scientists have recently theorized that one of the functions 
> > of yawning is to cool the brain.  
> 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:31 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> > Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > >
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Carol]

Hm. After I posted this, I clicked on a link and this quote appeared on my 
computer screen: 

"Maybe stories are just data with a soul"

The quote is by Brene Brown.

(Perhaps I should have started a different topic about 'stories.' I have not 
comment re TB.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Doc said: "Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" 
> route, as a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to 
> make any spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out. "
> 
> Our stories. I enjoy reading and learning about people's stories which of 
> course are typically only brief snapshots. I don't think of the stories as 
> foundations, but rather as simply parts of the journey. In one sense they are 
> mystical. In "what sense" I wonder? 
> 
> Perhaps in our sense of how we perceive those stories. We experience our 
> events in the now differently that when we look back on the experience of 
> those same events later. During the time elapsed between the now and the 
> later, we live more and have more contexts from which to view the past-now. 
> To be able to detach from the story and look at it like a fly on the wall, is 
> another aspect in relating to (or non-relating to) our stories. I like to be 
> able to tap the different ways we perceive and relate or non-relate to our 
> stories. 
> 
> I used to think that to "forget the past" was part of attaining spiritual 
> oneness with 'god.' I now wish I could remember everything, all the stories. 
> Of course, I can't...at least not in my conscious awareness. I figure the 
> ones that I may need to remember will present themselves at such time I may 
> need them.
> 
> ***
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> > and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > 
> > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> > in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> > foundation in stories. 
> > 
> > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. 
> > pure consciousness.
> > 
> > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> > to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> > discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, 
> > and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > 
> > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > 
> > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> > practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > 
> > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > layer after layer of stories.
> > 
> > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Even your response to me is reactive and shallow, emotionally based. I see 
> right through you.:-)

C'mon Doc, can't you see it? This is Barry's way of "laughing at himself". See 
how good he is at it?

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Sez the person so lonely and starved for attention that
> > he MADE UP stories about being enlightened. 
> > 
> > Don't you GET it? NO ONE here believes you're enlight-
> > ened. You have to go to Batgap to find people stupid
> > enough to believe that. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is 
> > > true, and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > > 
> > > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A 
> > > foundation in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, 
> > > is a foundation in stories. 
> > > 
> > > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, 
> > > vs. pure consciousness.
> > > 
> > > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in 
> > > relation to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, 
> > > the most discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the 
> > > greatest lover, and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > > 
> > > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > > 
> > > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any 
> > > techniques practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > > 
> > > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > > layer after layer of stories.
> > > 
> > > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Carol]

Doc said: "Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, 
as a foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out. "

Our stories. I enjoy reading and learning about people's stories which of 
course are typically only brief snapshots. I don't think of the stories as 
foundations, but rather as simply parts of the journey. In one sense they are 
mystical. In "what sense" I wonder? 

Perhaps in our sense of how we perceive those stories. We experience our events 
in the now differently that when we look back on the experience of those same 
events later. During the time elapsed between the now and the later, we live 
more and have more contexts from which to view the past-now. To be able to 
detach from the story and look at it like a fly on the wall, is another aspect 
in relating to (or non-relating to) our stories. I like to be able to tap the 
different ways we perceive and relate or non-relate to our stories. 

I used to think that to "forget the past" was part of attaining spiritual 
oneness with 'god.' I now wish I could remember everything, all the stories. Of 
course, I can't...at least not in my conscious awareness. I figure the ones 
that I may need to remember will present themselves at such time I may need 
them.

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> 
> But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> foundation in stories. 
> 
> In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set of 
> stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a fixed 
> context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point being 
> that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. pure 
> consciousness.
> 
> I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, and 
> seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> 
> He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, stories 
> and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the fables he 
> has been telling himself for decades.
> 
> Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> 
> So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make his 
> bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm layer 
> after layer of stories.
> 
> Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Even your response to me is reactive and shallow, emotionally based. I see 
right through you.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Sez the person so lonely and starved for attention that
> he MADE UP stories about being enlightened. 
> 
> Don't you GET it? NO ONE here believes you're enlight-
> ened. You have to go to Batgap to find people stupid
> enough to believe that. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> > and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> > 
> > But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> > serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> > in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> > foundation in stories. 
> > 
> > In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set 
> > of stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a 
> > fixed context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> > themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point 
> > being that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. 
> > pure consciousness.
> > 
> > I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> > to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> > discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, 
> > and seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> > 
> > He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, 
> > stories and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the 
> > fables he has been telling himself for decades.
> > 
> > Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> > foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> > spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> > practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> > 
> > So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> > personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make 
> > his bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm 
> > layer after layer of stories.
> > 
> > Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> > dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Manzarek Bails

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > On Behalf Of Bhairitu
> > >
> > > Was Manzarek just a TM'er or also a teacher? Anyway 
> > > he's bailed from the planet:
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57585387/ray-manzarek-founding-member-of-the-doors-dies-at-74/
> > 
> > When my band opened for the Doors he was the only one who could 
> > carry on a conversation.
> 
> True that. The night I had to light into Jim Morrison
> he was the only one who seemed even slightly concerned
> that he had sent a fan to the hospital. Krieger came
> across as (sorry, but that *was* my impression) dumber
> than a bucket of hammers and Densmore was so drunk he
> could hardly hold his drumsticks. 
> 
> > I think all but Morrison were regular meditators. They may 
> > all have been initiated. Some songs had TM lyrics: "Take 
> > it easy baby. Take it as it comes."
> 
> And? I still don't get the importance TMers place on
> famous people having once learned TM. Back in those
> days you couldn't throw a rock without hitting someone
> in the entertainment industry who *hadn't* learned TM.
> You would have had to throw one further to find one
> who still practiced it after a couple of months,
> however. A friend of mine in L.A. specialized in
> teaching celebrities; he said that as a general rule
> they *all* quit soon after learning it and moved on
> to the next fad.

Well, of course they do - they're CELEBRITIES! Celebrity is just another word 
for vacuous, shallow, materialistic, narcissistic and often substance abusers. 
What do you expect??

And does one have to "specialize" in teaching celebrities? What, the initiator 
has which special skills other than most likely thinking the whole time he is 
teaching these "celebrities", "I am not worthy, I am not worthy..."?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[turquoiseb]

Sez the person so lonely and starved for attention that
he MADE UP stories about being enlightened. 

Don't you GET it? NO ONE here believes you're enlight-
ened. You have to go to Batgap to find people stupid
enough to believe that. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, 
> and PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 
> 
> But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to 
> serve as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation 
> in PC is a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a 
> foundation in stories. 
> 
> In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set of 
> stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a fixed 
> context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell 
> themselves. Can also work with them always being the victim, the point being 
> that identity is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. pure 
> consciousness.
> 
> I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation 
> to others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
> discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, and 
> seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).
> 
> He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, stories 
> and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the fables he 
> has been telling himself for decades.
> 
> Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
> foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
> spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
> practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.
> 
> So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
> personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make his 
> bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm layer 
> after layer of stories.
> 
> Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
> dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
(snip)
> No way, Maharishi would have done the same panel that even faintly 
> suggested there were "other meditations that could lead to
> transcendence."

Maharishi himself said that, for pete's sake.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
(snip)
> "Does matter emerge from consciousness?" It's a weird mystical
> idea that started in the far east and was an early interpretation
> of quantum mechanics. I can't see how the statement makes sense,
> it seems to contradict everything we know about evolution both
> of life and the universe itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism 

"The Universe begins to look more like a great thought than
like a great machine."--Sir James Jeans, British physicist,
astronomer, and mathematician

"The mind-stuff of the world is, of course, something more general than our 
individual conscious minds…. The mind-stuff is not spread in space and time; 
these are part of the cyclic scheme ultimately derived out of it…. It is 
necessary to keep reminding ourselves that all knowledge of our environment 
from which the world of physics is constructed, has entered in the form of 
messages transmitted along the nerves to the seat of consciousness…. 
Consciousness is not sharply defined, but fades into subconsciousness; and 
beyond that we must postulate something indefinite but yet continuous with our 
mental nature…. It is difficult for the matter-of-fact physicist to accept the 
view that the substratum of everything is of mental character. But no one can 
deny that mind is the first and most direct thing in our experience, and all 
else is remote inference."--Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist

> I don't see how you can keep the second law of thermodynamics if everything 
> is from the mind, unless god doesn't care about his creation after all. 
> Basically, cosmic consciousness must be falling
> apart too just like everything else. Like all quantum mystical 
> ideas it complicates things unnecessarily. It helps sell yagyas 
> though but I don't like the idea of perpetuating ancient religions with the 
> language of science especially when it isn't very good science.

Plato, Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Schelling, Schopenhauer, Leibniz,
Berkeley, et al. Idealism is primarily philosophy, not
religion. It really won't do to just dismiss the kinds of
ideas you don't like as "religious."

> I've been reading about free will (or the lack of it) all day,
> some interesting experiments can be done to demonstrate that
> your brain makes a measurable decision to act up to a second
> before you "decide" to do something.

There are scientific reasons to question the results of
these studies.

> Consciousness appears to be last in a chain of
> neurophysiological events. Not sure how that would
> give it primacy over everything else.

And you're defining consciousness very narrowly here.

This is all a far more sophisticated discussion than you
imagine.



> "Does consciousness emerge from matter?" That's more like it,
> it fits in with observations and doesn't require gods, whether
> quantum or biblical. There is even a fabulous structure in our 
> heads that can be measured to be displaying consciousness and 
> having thoughts. Give me the most obvious explanation every 
> time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion – John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer

[Duveyoung]

Buck,

No, you're not understanding me, because, hey, you HAVE NOT read all my posts 
in order to have my "context," so that you "get me" instead of telling me I 
should hear all that Hegelin shit again. If you were up on my context you 
wouldn't be chiding me.   

Not that I'm special and that there's any moral compunction upon you to go to 
the trouble of understanding me; not that I have the inside info; not that I'm 
enlightened; not that you are not sincere.  Etc.

See?  It's just too much hard work to spell out, with the utter specificity 
needed, all the issues in this debate.

POVs don't change here at FFL except by the regular method of TIME PASSING AND 
GENERAL LIFE IMPACTING US.

And, hey, note that Hegelin actually showed up for this panel discussion -- 
shows the movement's purity is on the way out.  No way, Maharishi would have 
done the same panel that even faintly suggested there were "other meditations 
that could lead to transcendence." And it shows how very small of a venue 
Hegelin is now attending since he can't get a bigger audience.  Desperation is 
so sad. 

Edg





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> No, back it up and watch it from the beginning.  Context is everything.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > I clicked on the video at a random point and there was Hagelin saying 
> > > 
> > > "In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga, 
> > > there are techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for example 
> > > -- which just take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the 
> > > transcendental source of thought."
> > > 
> > > To which I say, "Obviously John doesn't have a definition of 'mind' that 
> > > separates it from 'consciousness,' nor does he see that consciousness is 
> > > not 'awareness.'"
> > > 
> > > John just spews a 1st lecture and condescends about the other panel 
> > > members being knowers of reality.  
> > > 
> > > BAH!
> > > 
> > > And note that he doesn't take questions.  Does he ever take questions?  I 
> > > bet he does but only from very specific groups -- not from the rough shod 
> > > Fairfielders who have given up TM, for instance.
> > > 
> > > And double BAH on John for his vile morality and sexual predator 
> > > lifestyle -- no wonder he doesn't want questions, cuz someone who's life 
> > > he's ruined might just be rude enough to confront him about how  valuable 
> > > his philosophical concepts and his meditation-skill-set and the results 
> > > of his use of them are if they have not transformed him from evil toad to 
> > > saint.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, I hate the guy and he's not done a thing to me personally...
> > 
> > 
> > > He is an incarnation of all the TMO hyprocrisy, all the "philosophy lite 
> > > fuzzy blubbery talky-ness, and all the Raja superiority.
> > > 
> > > I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me.  
> > > 
> > > There would be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral.
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > New post on Buddha at the Gas Pump 
> > > > 
> > > >    
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   175. Panel Discussion â€" 
> > > > John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick 
> > > > Archer
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > by   Rick 
> > > > 
> > > > PANEL: The Three Simultaneously True Levels of Nondual Reality; Don't 
> > > > Mistake Understanding for Realization, Don't Mistake Realization for 
> > > > Liberation. John Hagelin, Ph.D., is a world-renowned quantum physicist, 
> > > > educator, public policy expert, and leading proponent of peace. Dr. 
> > > > Hagelin received his A.B. summa cum laude from Dartmouth College and 
> > > > his M.A. and Ph.D. from Harvard University, […]
> > > > 
> > > >   Read more of this post
> > > > 
> > > >   Rick | May 20, 2013 at 7:06 am | 
> > > > Categories:   Guests 
> > > > | URL:   http://wp.me/p1q1S0-IB 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   Comment
> > > > 
> > > >  See all comments
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: 
> > > >   
> > > > http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/ 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > <

[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[card]

That's a bit strange question since even according to Western
physics, it might well be the case that such a thing as "matter"
doesn't actually exist, except in the minds of sentient beings! :D

Over 99 percent of atoms is "made" of Nothing or Emptiness (aakaasha?). The 
rest, that is (at least?) electrons, gluons and quarks, might well be 
*one-dimensional* vibrating strings! Go figure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Inspired by something Xeno said I ask you Salyavin:  does consciousness 
> emerge from matter or does matter emerge from consciousness?  Or is 
> something else altogether happening?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:32 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Salyavin wrote:  Once you have enough brain cells you have 
> > consciousness.  Share asks:  I've been reading all of today's posts, 
> > again with mixed success.  Anyway, I'm guessing that I have the same 
> > amount of brain cells right now that I had during last night when I was 
> > dreaming and also when I was sleeping without dreams.  I was pretty 
> > conscious during the dreams.  I feel very conscious at this moment.  
> > But I'm pretty sure I was not conscious during the whole night.  So it 
> > would seem that even though the number of brain cells remains constant, 
> > consciousness, as an experience, does not.      
> 
> I meant that you need a certain amount to generate consciousness
> anyway. They stay amount stays the same overnight. But the fact 
> that it gets switched off at night is another interesting 
> evolutionary adaptation. Must take up a lot of energy generating 
> all that bright inner awareness. The brain needs a bit of down time
> to assimilate the days events and reset itself or we go mad. Really.
> And then there's keeping us out of trouble in the dark where our
> primary sense isn't any use. Amazing thing really.
> 
> I got knocked out and lost my memory once, that was interesting.
> I'll do a post about it tomorrow as it had a lot of fascinating
> features for a philosophical chap like me.
> 
> > 
> > PS  I realize I'm taking little baby steps.  It's the best I can do 
> > with this topic.  Thanks for your patience.  BTW, speaking of the hot 
> > human brain, scientists have recently theorized that one of the functions 
> > of yawning is to cool the brain.  
> 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:31 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> > Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > "The condemned man may live for several days or even weeks. 
> > > > > But, he believes so strongly in the curse that has been 
> > > > > uttered, that he will surely die. It is said that the ritual 
> > > > > loading of the kundela creates a "spear of thought" which 
> > > > > pierces the victim when the bone is pointed at him. It is as 
> > > > > if an actual spear has been thrust at him and his death is 
> > > > > certain."
> > > > 
> > > > Anxiety is a powerful thing. 
> > > 
> > > So it seems. The "cause" of the anxiety was of course a purely
> > > mental thing (or a thing in the realm of "meaning"), and
> > > NOT a physical thing. And the anxiety was the effect, not
> > > the cause.
> > 
> > When I think "anxiety" I think "adrenalin" which is physical. 
> > The idea of what is frightening is held as a memory or instinct,
> > which is an obvious evolutionary advantage. what to be scared of
> > can also be learned, did you know it only takes two events of 
> > any sort before the brain makes a neural link to alert the rest
> > of the system how to behave next time the stimulus is encountered.
> > 
> > For instance, if you get nearly run over once the adrenalin
> > dies away and the typical brain will put it down to experience.
> > Twice and you will start to get anxious going near a road.
> > Simple as that, and the funny thing about adrenalin is that
> > when you are pumped up it changes the way you perceive the world,
> > it heightens sound and movement, it changes the way blood flows 
> > in the brain so you can't think logically but can only think
> > of running away or fighting. To enable this it drags sugars out 
> > of the liver and into the blood and draws blood from the stomach
> > into the muscles.
> > 
> > Best of all, any experience you have when in an aroused state
> > gets tagged by the brain as being threatening and will cause a
> > similar r

[FairfieldLife] Ego distortion

[doctordumbass]

Someone brought up CC, and how once attained, PC never leaves. It is true, and 
PC also continues to grow and become even more established. 

But if it doesn't, and a person has surrendered to their ego, instead, to serve 
as that foundation, there is one significant difference. A foundation in PC is 
a foundation in silence, whereas a foundation in ego, is a foundation in 
stories. 

In fact, not really a foundation at all, but a continually reinforced set of 
stories that tend to hold the person expressing them, in place, in a fixed 
context. He or she is always the hero of all the stories they tell themselves. 
Can also work with them always being the victim, the point being that identity 
is gained from self-told stories, ego, attachment, vs. pure consciousness.

I was reminded of this reading over TB's comments about himself in relation to 
others. Always the coolest, the hippest, the most spiritual, the most 
discerning, the most successful, the best taste, and the greatest lover, and 
seducer of women (I kinda made the last one up).

He is an excellent example of what I have identified above; stories, stories 
and more stories come out of his mouth, intensely fortifying the fables he has 
been telling himself for decades.

Oddly enough, if one takes the "stories in my head and heart" route, as a 
foundation for themselves, it becomes increasingly difficult to make any 
spiritual progress, or progress towards liberation. Despite any techniques 
practiced, the stories, and the attachment to them, win out.

So, TB's insights about spiritual life, and even the dynamics of his 
personality, tend to be shallow and self-congratulatory. He loves to make his 
bed, and then indulgently climb in, and cover himself over with warm layer 
after layer of stories.

Funny thing - I often see him as asleep, and yet he believes otherwise, 
dreaming deeply on his soft, luxurious mattresses of attachment.   

[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[Richard J. Williams]

> > does consciousness emerge from matter or does matter 
> > emerge from consciousness? Or is something else 
> > altogether happening...
> >
salyavin: 
> I've been reading about free will...
> 
>From what I've read, 'free will' is an idealist 
notion.

You cannot have both 'free will', and at the 
same time, be determined. That would be a 
contradiction in terms. And, another logical 
fallacy.

Either we're free or we are bound. If we are
free, then there would is no need for a yoga 
or a meditation technique. If we are bound, 
the main question then becomes 'How can we 
free ourselves?'

Apparently there has never been in the history 
of the planet a single person that could cause 
change at will. 

"In philosophy, idealism is the group of philosophies 
which assert that reality, or reality as we can know 
it, is fundamentally mental, mentally constructed, or 
otherwise immaterial." 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism

Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: CNN Breaking News

[Mike Dixon]

And if you don't believe that, you're a racist and will be audited by the IRS!


From: Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FW: CNN Breaking News

  
 
From:CNN Breaking News [mailto:breakingn...@mail.cnn.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:04 PM
To: textbreakingn...@ema3lsv06.turner.com
Subject: CNN Breaking News
 
A new CNN/ORC International poll shows that President Barack Obama remains 
popular and a majority of Americans continue to think he is honest and has 
managed the government effectively, while the tea party movement got a boost 
after being targeted by the IRS. 
The survey was taken last week after the IRS, Benghazi and Associated Press 
controversies marked one of the worst weeks for the White House. It asked if 
Obama is a strong leader, with 58% saying he is, a level he last reached just 
after the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011. 
The tea party movement's overall favorable rating is up nine points to 37% 
since March; 45% hold an unfavorable view of the tea party, the poll shows. 
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a favorite for the Democratic 
presidential nomination if she runs in 2016, continues to hold a favorable 
rating over 60%. 
The survey, conducted May 17-18, has a sampling error of +/- 3 percentage po 
ints. 
Follow complete coverage of breaking news on CNN TV, http://cnn.com/ and CNN 
Mobile. 
 

[FairfieldLife] "Vermont Is 4th State to Legalize Assisted Suicide"

[Carol]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/proponents-hail-vt-assisted-suicide-bill-19220276#.UZuD3aI-abO

Links to couple more pieces I read this morning regarding this subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-speckhardt/assisted-suicide_b_3087201.html

http://www.deathwithdignity.org/2011/04/25/death-dignity-isnt-suicide

I've often thought that we offer our pets assisted death with dignity. Why not 
have the same for the humanoid animals.

I could never ask a friend or family member to end my life. Well, I don't think 
I could. I think I would have to administer my own remedy and let my family 
know ahead of time, to give them time to say good bye. But even that sounds 
kind of morbid. Death can be a morbid subject. 

Hmm...premature death can be morbid. Death as the next step along the journey 
is't so much morbid as it is grief-filled. 

I don't know what I believe about what comes after death other than I'll know 
when I get there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers and Super Storms

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> > >
> >
> Hypocrite:
> 
> adjective
> 
> 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue
> or religion
> 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her
> stated beliefs or feelings
> 
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and
> > > you *still* get tornadoes?
> > >
> > > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!

That is interesting.  A real failure within the Invincibility Dome numbers is 
that the guidelines they use to feel people out has effectively made hypocrites 
of us all as a community.  It is appalling to a lot of people.  Bevan wants to 
fealty test and punish people and people have generally said "fuck you" we are 
not that.  

I spoke with a friend just recently who got his badge back after they urged him 
to lie about seeing saints.  He got the badge but feels so compromised by the 
reality of the process that he just threw it in his desk drawer and will not 
go.  This is an old-time really strong and bright lit TM-meditator.  The 
Failure of the Dome numbers simply has gone way back to Bevan and his 
authoritarian sense of "faith and belief in Maharishi".  We're stuck and no 
wonder the Settles and Rudney's could feel chagrined that they never really got 
the numbers they hoped for.  It's a shame.   

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Super Storms have arrived

[Richard J. Williams]

> > > > Wow, $100,000,000 goes into Invincible America and 
> > > > you *still* get tornadoes?
> > > > 
> > > > Are the Settle's feeling sick or what!
> > > 
> > > Instead it was pissed away to support and perpetuate the 
> > > fantasies of a few people that bouncing around on their 
> > > butts actually accomplishes something. 
> > >
Ann:
> Speaking of numbers, I wonder how many times Barry has used 
> this term "bouncing around on their butts" over the years 
> here at FFL. Would it be enough to counteract the activity 
> of bouncing around on their butts?
>
Barry claimed to have paid $5000 to the TMO to take the
TM-Sidhi course. Then, he quit and went and paid Rama 
thousands more dollars to learn how to levitate. He's sore,
I guess, from all that bouncing on his wallet. Go figure.

This is funny; because TurqB claims he saw Rama hover over
a large group of people in a hall that turned golden with 
light. So, what good did that do I wonder? LoL!

Can you spell hypocrite?

Hypocrite:

adjective

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue 
or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her 
stated beliefs or feelings

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

 
> > > Just FYI, $100,000,000 is enough to feed 40 million people
> > > for a year.
> > >
> > Right, at $2.50 per person per year.
> 
> Maybe Barry figures these people have rallly little 
> appetites, or his calculator broke.
> > 
> > > That would have included some of the 10.5 
> > > million children on the planet who died of starvation 
> > > during the seven years they threw money at "Invincible 
> > > America."
> 
> Not at the rate of providing $2.50 worth of food per year. 
> What is that, er, .0068 cents per day to feed someone. I'm 
> glad Barry doesn't work at a soup kitchen he MIGHT allow 
> the poor sods to have a whiff of the soup as he hurried 
> them through the line but that would be all.
> 
> > > 
> > > I'd suggest that the Settles should feel a little sicker 
> > > about that than a few tornadoes.
> > 
> > It's hard to imagine the twistedness of the mind that
> > could write the above.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[Share Long]

Thanks, Judy, that sounds close.  I definitely remember the phrase 
consciousness become conscious.  But I also remember there was a little 
something unobvious to the other phrase, like maybe:  when existence becomes 
intelligent.  IOW, the other phrase wasn't in exact verbal alignment with 
itself, if that description makes any sense.  


Thanks too for further explanation about Idealism and Materialism.  I'm simply 
enjoying the exploration of these ideas but it's taken me a while to even 
understand everything that's being said.  For example, I thought Jason's 
comment about micro and macro was on target.  But then you said it wasn't.  So, 
learning a lot here, certain unused parts of my brain, no doubt, firing up.



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Lawson, I've checked out Tononi and DMN on wiki, thanks.  By any chance do 
> you remember from SCI 8 the famous quote about consciousness and existence?  
> For now I'm sticking with, as primary:  awareness exists.  But I think 
> Maharishi says something more, something about when so and so happens, 
> consciousness becomes conscious.

"When Consciousness becomes conscious, Intelligence
becomes intelligent"?

  I'm asking this in response to your comment about rishi devata chhandas.  
Hey, maybe my awareness exists could be considered from perspective of RDCh!  
I think John mentioned knower knowing known in this thread.
> 
> Which is primary do you think:  awareness or existence?  
> 
> Thanks for distinction between kind of communication in sleep vs how much of 
> it.  But I'm guessing WHERE it's occurring in the skull is also important.
> 
> 
> I like the idea of Tononi doing sleep research on long term meditators, 
> people reporting certain experiences, etc.  I guess an observable  baseline 
> would have to be established first.
> 
> 
> 
>  From: sparaig 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:06 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Actually, the DEfault Mode Network stays more active during periods of 
> relaxed wakefulness than during periods of active wakefulness, and the active 
> wakefulness only requires 5% more metabolic activity than the relaxed 
> consciousness.
> 
> Sleep likely uses a bit less, but not all that much less. What distinguishes 
> normal sleep is the kind of communication going on in the brain, not how much 
> of it there is. Sleep in non-enlighened people involves very local 
> connections, thought to be a period where the brain cells are resetting 
> themselves.  I've been trying to convince Tononi to consider doing his sleep 
> experiments on enlightened folk, as he's written about TM's pure 
> consciousness in at least one of his books, but that hasn't happened yet.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin wrote:  Once you have enough brain cells you have 
> > > consciousness.  Share asks:  I've been reading all of today's 
> > > posts, again with mixed success.  Anyway, I'm guessing that I have the 
> > > same amount of brain cells right now that I had during last night when I 
> > > was dreaming and also when I was sleeping without dreams.  I was 
> > > pretty conscious during the dreams.  I feel very conscious at this 
> > > moment.  But I'm pretty sure I was not conscious during the whole 
> > > night.  So it would seem that even though the number of brain cells 
> > > remains constant, consciousness, as an experience, does not.    
> > >   
> > 
> > I meant that you need a certain amount to generate consciousness
> > anyway. They stay amount stays the same overnight. But the fact 
> > that it gets switched off at night is another interesting 
> > evolutionary adaptation. Must take up a lot of energy generating 
> > all that bright inner awareness. The brain needs a bit of down time
> > to assimilate the days events and reset itself or we go mad. Really.
> > And then there's keeping us out of trouble in the dark where our
> > primary sense isn't any use. Amazing thing really.
> > 
> > I got knocked out and lost my memory once, that was interesting.
> > I'll do a post about it tomorrow as it had a lot of fascinating
> > features for a philosophical chap like me.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > PS  I realize I'm taking little baby steps.  It's the best I can do 
> > > with this topic.  Thanks for your patience.  BTW, speaking of the 
> > > hot human brain, scientists have recently theorized that one of the 
> > > function

[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Interesting thing I learned recently: some of the people reporting CC also 
> report that ether doesn't shut things down completely -- pure consciousness 
> still remains.

**Yep. Nothing causes a complete lack of awareness after PC is established 
24/7. Its like that phrase about water cannot put it out, flame cannot burn it, 
etc. It outlasts everything, even bodily death. 
> 
> And having some level of consciousness during anesthesia isn't all that 
> unusual in non-enlightened people either. Unfortunately, it is waking state 
> that is preserved and horrible, horrible, horrible cases of PTSD can result 
> from being awake during an operation while being unable to scream as the bone 
> saw cuts off your leg.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Doc, I keep coming back to this.  It seems to be the most basic 
> > truth, the only one we can know absolutely:  awareness exists.  
> > 
> > I think a general anaesthetic is a damn fine way of demonstrating
> > the biological nature of consciousness. Just a little bit of ether
> > and things shut down, taking awareness with it.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, 
> > > Feel Good, Achieve Goals  Dr. Shelley S
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I was wondering the same thing. Probably not, but the paradox to finding 
> > > the answer to that question, is that, in order for me to assess such a 
> > > thing, in the moment, I must have a structure in mind, even if it is only 
> > > a cloud, or an atom. So, I can answer it in practical terms, and the 
> > > answer is no. But I will probably never know the answer, absolutely.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doc, do you think ANY structure is necessary for consciousness?  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:23 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, 
> > > > Feel Good, Achieve Goals  Dr. Shelley S
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > Thoughts and consciousness are not the same thing. Consciousness or 
> > > > awareness is fundamental, with thoughts secondary. So for thoughts, 
> > > > yes, you need a brain. But for consciousness, the brain structure isn't 
> > > > necessary.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, and it's perfectly natural to find 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complex and assume that it must have been 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > created
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by something more complex. This was 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darwins genius
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he showed it isn't the case where 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > biology is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But not where human consciousness is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a belief. And a strange one.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's also just a belief that biology is responsible for 
> > > > > > > > > > > > human
> > > > > > > > > > > > consciousness.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Which words did you not understand?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I guess it's just a belief that biology is responsible for my
> > > > > > > > > heartbeat.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Non sequitur. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > LOL!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The heartbeat is a biological thing.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And I guess the brain isn't..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You seem to be losing track of the conversation. The brain
> > > > > > is biological, like the heartbeat; consciousness may well
> > > > > > not be. That's why the notion that consciousness is
> > > > > > biological is just a belief, like t