[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh dear scientific salyavin, I am the only one who's doing the heavy lifting in favor of astrology here and I wasn't even too interested in the first place. I have clearly articulated the scope, parameters of how I use astrology and the goals I have. Considering the limitations of astrology and the reputation of astrology I have a very scientific approach that you should be proud of salyavin !!! You surely missed the generous compliments Ann, raunchy, Share, Steve, Jim, LG, empty bill and others (non-active posters) offline have directed my way. Surely this is not some dumb, naive audience I'm dealing with here. Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. That people believe it is no surprise to me, people still believe in god etc. People can be weird in how they chose to see the world. Approval, eternal life and predictability are going to feature pretty high on most people wish list of things they'd like to be true. That you may have a handle on personality analysis says nothing about the working of horoscopes as they are open to interpretation. As I say, to convince a sceptic like moi you need to make predictions so we can see how it fares against the randomness of reality. What was the one I suggested the other day? You must suffer from some Oppositional defiance disorder? I suffer from Inability to suspend disbelief due to lack of evidence order. The more I look into it the less convinced I am. As Barry would say - what purpose does it solve? Whose suffering are you helping to resolve? John will come across as stupid with his predictions. No one can legislate reality, no one has an insight into reality. That's what happens studying with that idiot Sanjay. no one has an insight into reality Ah, here's something we agree on. I said I don't know how astrology was cognized, I don't care how it works - it does, but your arguments are irrelevant. Not if you want to understand how it works. Cognized is a great word, I love how it supplants worked out in the minds of new agers. No more do we have to test hypotheses against heavily checked data, someone has cognized the truth! But I shouldn't be harsh, ideas can come from anywhere, all science starts with a guess, but ideas have to be tested against reality and this is where astrology fails as you yourself admit. Remember, the plural of anecdote is *not* data. People believing things is *not* evidence. Double blind testing is the only way to work out what is from what isn't and it's been done hilariously with astrology many times. People can't pick out their horoscopes from other peoples. In one test loads of people were given the same reading and asked how accurate it was, guess what? They all rated it as highly accurate. Simple psychology, we see what we want to see and fill in the cracks without realising. Astrology is people thinking about people. It's anthropomorphism taken to it's ultimate conclusion and includes actual planets and stars - except they are really avatars acting in the same way! Good dodge whoever thought of that ;-) They assigned certain inner qualities on to planets and yes they use the actual mathematical calculations and astronomy. Apparently it has some validity, no one has ever been disappointed with my interpretations. No, of course they haven't. But it isn't a proof that astrology is a science based on positions of stars and planets. It's *you* Ravi. As Richard would say - go figure, LoL! I'm trying but it doesn't work. Must be my mahadashum do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
In a Jyotish chart, there seems to be almost nothing to represent for instance the industrial revolution, and especially telecommunication. That's why we need to take Uranus (ur anus, heh heh...) into account. And stuff like that... And Uranus/Pluto squares are almost certain indicators for an upcoming stock market crash! Like the one in 1929! :D Pluto now in (tropical) Capricorn (1929: Cancer) and Uranus in Aries (1929: ditto)... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh dear scientific salyavin, I am the only one who's doing the heavy lifting in favor of astrology here and I wasn't even too interested in the first place. I have clearly articulated the scope, parameters of how I use astrology and the goals I have. Considering the limitations of astrology and the reputation of astrology I have a very scientific approach that you should be proud of salyavin !!! You surely missed the generous compliments Ann, raunchy, Share, Steve, Jim, LG, empty bill and others (non-active posters) offline have directed my way. Surely this is not some dumb, naive audience I'm dealing with here. Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. That people believe it is no surprise to me, people still believe in god etc. People can be weird in how they chose to see the world. Approval, eternal life and predictability are going to feature pretty high on most people wish list of things they'd like to be true. That you may have a handle on personality analysis says nothing about the working of horoscopes as they are open to interpretation. As I say, to convince a sceptic like moi you need to make predictions so we can see how it fares against the randomness of reality. What was the one I suggested the other day? You must suffer from some Oppositional defiance disorder? I suffer from Inability to suspend disbelief due to lack of evidence order. The more I look into it the less convinced I am. As Barry would say - what purpose does it solve? Whose suffering are you helping to resolve? John will come across as stupid with his predictions. No one can legislate reality, no one has an insight into reality. That's what happens studying with that idiot Sanjay. no one has an insight into reality Ah, here's something we agree on. I said I don't know how astrology was cognized, I don't care how it works - it does, but your arguments are irrelevant. Not if you want to understand how it works. Cognized is a great word, I love how it supplants worked out in the minds of new agers. No more do we have to test hypotheses against heavily checked data, someone has cognized the truth! But I shouldn't be harsh, ideas can come from anywhere, all science starts with a guess, but ideas have to be tested against reality and this is where astrology fails as you yourself admit. Remember, the plural of anecdote is *not* data. People believing things is *not* evidence. Double blind testing is the only way to work out what is from what isn't and it's been done hilariously with astrology many times. People can't pick out their horoscopes from other peoples. In one test loads of people were given the same reading and asked how accurate it was, guess what? They all rated it as highly accurate. Simple psychology, we see what we want to see and fill in the cracks without realising. Astrology is people thinking about people. It's anthropomorphism taken to it's ultimate conclusion and includes actual planets and stars - except they are really avatars acting in the same way! Good dodge whoever thought of that ;-) They assigned certain inner qualities on to planets and yes they use the actual mathematical calculations and astronomy. Apparently it has some validity, no one has ever been disappointed with my interpretations. No, of course they haven't. But it isn't a proof that astrology is a science based on positions of stars and planets. It's *you* Ravi. As Richard would say - go figure, LoL! I'm trying but it doesn't work. Must be my mahadashum do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I'm trying but it doesn't work. Must be my mahadashum do you think? Must admit have almost no idea what the dashas are, but my best guess they are attempts at explaining away the anomalies caused by the transits of the trans-Saturnians(?), and stuff like that...
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. Exactly. Every astrologer I've ever heard specializes in saying nice things about people, on the whole things they'd *like* to believe about themselves or their future. So do tarot readers or readers of tea leaves. It's what they DO to keep people paying them. . . . Remember, the plural of anecdote is *not* data. People believing things is *not* evidence. Double blind testing is the only way to work out what is from what isn't and it's been done hilariously with astrology many times. People can't pick out their horoscopes from other peoples. In one test loads of people were given the same reading and asked how accurate it was, guess what? They all rated it as highly accurate. Simple psychology, we see what we want to see and fill in the cracks without realising. Exactly. Plus, the suckers like to think that they're in on some Super-Sekrit System for predicting reality or the future. That's pure ego-fodder, and irresistible to those who have developed a taste for making themselves feel more important. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. Exactly. Every astrologer I've ever heard specializes in saying nice things about people, on the whole things they'd *like* to believe about themselves or their future. So do tarot readers or readers of tea leaves. It's what they DO to keep people paying them. I should mention that the *other* function of astrologers or prognosticators of any kind is to supply their clients with convenient *excuses* for why things aren't really their fault or the result of their actions and their free will. Whew! I got fired from my job just because a malefic planet was retrograde. It had nothing to do with me doing a shitty job. :-) or Now I understand why I haven't made more of a success with my life in the last two decades. I was in an insert buzzphrase for malefic or non-supporting time here, so nothing I would have done would have been supported anyway. Thank goodness my insert buzzphrase for nice period here is coming up. Things will be better then. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. Exactly. Every astrologer I've ever heard specializes in saying nice things about people, on the whole things they'd *like* to believe about themselves or their future. So do tarot readers or readers of tea leaves. It's what they DO to keep people paying them. I should mention that the *other* function of astrologers or prognosticators of any kind is to supply their clients with convenient *excuses* for why things aren't really their fault or the result of their actions and their free will. Whew! I got fired from my job just because a malefic planet was retrograde. It had nothing to do with me doing a shitty job. :-) or Now I understand why I haven't made more of a success with my life in the last two decades. I was in an insert buzzphrase for malefic or non-supporting time here, so nothing I would have done would have been supported anyway. Thank goodness my insert buzzphrase for nice period here is coming up. Things will be better then. :-) This last bit, BTW, is how various healers make their money, too -- by supplying their clients with *excuses*. If they can convince the clients that their problems arise from some woo-woo disease or imbalance, they don't have to consider that their lack of accomplishments or lack of happiness might just be due to them being slackers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: He stated that the earth's precession is due to the Sun's orbit with a binary star, Sirius. This precession is the basis for the various yugas or ages of human history. He said that Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtJ-yzqT24 Makes much more sense; C Lutes used to say additionally it forms an upward spiral, hence evolution! If you fall behind, you're left behind until the next great cycle. He called humanity a parade of sorts some are at the front of the parade and some behind, as are the different races. Ultimately all come to the same end. I.e. each spiral is a little higher than the last giving an opportunity for all souls to have a fertile soil to grow in, the Kali age a little higher than the last, etc. but progress the keynote. If you only merited a birth in Kali Yuga, chances are you won't be reborn until the NEXT Kali Yuga, providing you made even a 'little' progress, same as the other Yugas. There are millions of souls waiting to reincarnate now but are unable to due to the low vibrations of this Yuga, they must wait until the next Dwapara, Treta or Sat Yuga, as may be the case. Only very high souls are born in the Sat Yuga, but all are given the opportunity to evolve as is the divine plan. That's why the 'spiral' goes up and comes down but always advances, but only incrementally. It never makes a full circle to the place it began, that would be zero progress. This is a rather rare insight presented here, but it seem to ignore Maharishi's claim that we now (since 1975) have a window of Satyuga withinin Kaliyuga that will last for 10,ooo years. This is knowledge you draw from your own insights ? MMY was always into hyperbole, ya, I know heaven on earth is right around the corner; he has a pretty bad track record. He did the best he could... I'm sure YOU will make it to that sinless state called the satyuga at some point but if you're not there now why would you expect to be there tomorrow? , or your next life? I see, your knowledge about the Yugas and incarnation was from the and useless level of satire :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I'm trying but it doesn't work. Must be my mahadashum do you think? Must admit have almost no idea what the dashas are, but my best guess they are attempts at explaining away the anomalies caused by the transits of the trans-Saturnians(?), and stuff like that... I think they are real and our lives do follow proscribed patterns of good luck and bad luck and that these can be measured by where the outer planets were when I was born. To me, the fact that someone born the same time as me but in a slightly different place may be affected completely differently by the same planetary positions is only a minor irritation. Also, the jyotishee I saw said I have had all my bad dasha periods and am now in the best part of life which will last until I'm fully enlightened. Could be a spot of confirmation bias going on though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tm Research Claims
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Neurotics, a group that Persinger defines as people who worry more than work, plan more than participate, and cower more than confront, are paralyzed by anxiety. These are the people who flock to TM in an effort to sort out their lives. The sweet promise of relief from perpetual anxiety blinds them to the manipulation of the TM movement. This, Persinger considers to be the ultimate crime. He points out, and with good cause, that TM's final legacy will not be found in its promises but in its techniques. These same principles of human persuasion have been used by vast political machines and giant religious conglomeration to conquer peoples. Intoxicated by the wonder words from charismatic leaders, millions have found internal peace and meaning to life, but frequently at the expense of others. Without us neurotics, there would most certainly be far less people interested in meditation. It's anybody's guess what this planet would be like then. Well...hmmm... quite a lot of e.g. the most prominent physicists are probably more neurotic and obsessed than your average Joe?? So, without neurotics and Aspergers, etc, we might not have nuclear fission bombs, technology based on quantum mechanics, and stuff like that??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
I recall Maharishi saying at one point that there will always be violence on the earth, and the opportunity gained through TM was to be able to remain peaceful inside, regardless of outer circumstances. I used to automatically favor the idea of a Sat Yuga. One thing about it, though, is lifetimes are greatly increased, averaging 400 years - meaning the bonds that must be temporarily broken, at bodily death, are that much stronger, making for a more painful, relative experience, at dissolution. So, I'll take the hundred years, or so, this time around. The shorter life also brings with it an urgency to figure out what is going on, and learn much more rapidly. This physical manifestation brings with it such extremes, forcing us in a way, to find the middle ground, what survives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: He stated that the earth's precession is due to the Sun's orbit with a binary star, Sirius. This precession is the basis for the various yugas or ages of human history. He said that Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtJ-yzqT24 Makes much more sense; C Lutes used to say additionally it forms an upward spiral, hence evolution! If you fall behind, you're left behind until the next great cycle. He called humanity a parade of sorts some are at the front of the parade and some behind, as are the different races. Ultimately all come to the same end. I.e. each spiral is a little higher than the last giving an opportunity for all souls to have a fertile soil to grow in, the Kali age a little higher than the last, etc. but progress the keynote. If you only merited a birth in Kali Yuga, chances are you won't be reborn until the NEXT Kali Yuga, providing you made even a 'little' progress, same as the other Yugas. There are millions of souls waiting to reincarnate now but are unable to due to the low vibrations of this Yuga, they must wait until the next Dwapara, Treta or Sat Yuga, as may be the case. Only very high souls are born in the Sat Yuga, but all are given the opportunity to evolve as is the divine plan. That's why the 'spiral' goes up and comes down but always advances, but only incrementally. It never makes a full circle to the place it began, that would be zero progress. This is a rather rare insight presented here, but it seem to ignore Maharishi's claim that we now (since 1975) have a window of Satyuga withinin Kaliyuga that will last for 10,ooo years. This is knowledge you draw from your own insights ? MMY was always into hyperbole, ya, I know heaven on earth is right around the corner; he has a pretty bad track record. He did the best he could... I'm sure YOU will make it to that sinless state called the satyuga at some point but if you're not there now why would you expect to be there tomorrow? , or your next life? I see, your knowledge about the Yugas and incarnation was from the and useless level of satire :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
Its just Fun, Barry. Remember what that is? My personal way of living is that after about twenty three, tops, a person is on their own, socially, economically, and personally. No more excuses, about childhood, karma, or this or that. It becomes a person's life. So, all your bitching about astrology, and pretty much everything else, just shows me someone who makes up stories, to avoid experience. That is you, and there is nothing from mom or dad or lenz or maharishi, or the rest of the world, to lean on. Its all YOU, brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. Exactly. Every astrologer I've ever heard specializes in saying nice things about people, on the whole things they'd *like* to believe about themselves or their future. So do tarot readers or readers of tea leaves. It's what they DO to keep people paying them. . . . Remember, the plural of anecdote is *not* data. People believing things is *not* evidence. Double blind testing is the only way to work out what is from what isn't and it's been done hilariously with astrology many times. People can't pick out their horoscopes from other peoples. In one test loads of people were given the same reading and asked how accurate it was, guess what? They all rated it as highly accurate. Simple psychology, we see what we want to see and fill in the cracks without realising. Exactly. Plus, the suckers like to think that they're in on some Super-Sekrit System for predicting reality or the future. That's pure ego-fodder, and irresistible to those who have developed a taste for making themselves feel more important. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Further, another American researcher theorized that the Sphinx may have been built about 16,000 years ago. He calculated that it was a monument to show that it was built when the vernal equinox occurred during the sign of Leo. The most interesting thing I have seen that suggests that the Sphinx may be older than is currently thought is the theory of geologist Robert M. Schoch. He contends that it is only serious rainfall that could have caused the kind of erosion seen on the Sphinx. And because he believes that kind of climate significantly predates the time of Khufu (4.5K years ago), the origin of the Sphinx is a mystery (which is fun). I don't see that he has been conclusively rebutted. It seems to me (from my limited knowledge) that the archaeologists do not take kindly to other disciplines treading on their patch (such turf wars are evident in the climate debate IMO). But there are other more powerful criticisms from some fellow geologists it seems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis http://www.robertschoch.com/sphinxcontent.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. From: drrishi1 drris...@aol.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices?
[FairfieldLife] Marshy on Jyotish...
I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own.
[FairfieldLife] Dwarf Planet Astrology
Dwarf Planet Astrology As one of the recent threads on FFL has been delving into the pseudoscience of astrology, I have been spending my time reading sections of a blog written by a sociopath, which is rather interesting reading, it kind of just slides right in with the psychotic nature of FFL and the 'neuro typical' and 'empath' population here, to use some names for most of us from the creative folk in sociopath land (there are some extraordinarliy intelligrnt sociopaths out there, and you probably know some without being aware that they are not like you). There seems to be some specific crossovers between sociopaths and enlightenment as far as mental states of experience. Perhaps I will start a thread on that later on. To get back to astrology. As scientifically astrology basically has zero predictive properties (except in the minds of its practitioners), I thought it might be better to introduce dwarf planet astrology, and chuck the original systems, both Western and Eastern. Unfortunately my idea is not original. Others have already jumped into the fray. The current locations of dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates [the candidates are marked '(a)' from officially named dwarfs]: (the '#709;' symbol means 'subscript' if it gets through Yahoo's alphanumeric-symbol, character-entity translation software, otherwise whatever shows up on your computer should be an inverted carat [cheers Share ÂÂÂ]) Ceres Gemini Haumea Bootes MakemakeComaBerenices ErisCetus Pluto-CharonSagittarius Sedna (a) Taurus Varuna (a) Gemini Quaoar (a) Serpens Cauda Orcus (a) Sextans Ixion (a) Ophiuchus 2002 TC#709;302 (a)Aries 2007 OR#709;10 (a) Aries Since size and distance of those little pointy lights in the sky make no difference in astrology, it certainly is possible that these tiny dim pointy lights could have a VAST influence on humanity and our little world. At least there are some that think so. For example: --- 2007 OR10 and 2002 TC302 astrology 'Perhaps the striking news is that the newly discovered 2007 OR10 , near in size to Pluto, seems to has a strong astrological effect, at least derived by mundane astrology observations.' 'The fact is that in the recent millenia, 2007 OR10 has been orbiting near Eris, just beyond it, with a similar orbital period, and therefore makes things a little bit confusing to distinguish.' 'I see that every time 2007 OR10 has entered Aries a whole lot of global changes have happened: this was circa 150-50 BC, 350-450 AC, 1000 AC, 1470-1520 AC and now 1990-2040.' '2007 OR10 will enter the mid degrees of Aries in the years ahead, as it did in 1490, the years of the discovery (and conquests) of America, or approximately during the fall of Rome circa 350-410, or during the Roman conquests of the Greece and Egypt, two powerful and influencing civilizations. It enters the critical 10-11º Aries in 2010-2014, (like in 1492) then stays during the more intense Aries energy until 2047 (like in 1520).' 'Therefore, we predict a new unfolding wave of discoveries, 'conquests' and societal reconstruction, a civilization shift in balance.' 'It's still too soon to assert its astrological meaning. But judging by several chart readings, it seems that 2007 OR10 is full of positive energy, vibrant and a strong creative and ever-flowing energy (but it is in Aries too).' --- At least Western astrology, with its positioning flaws, is investigating new information unlike Vedic astrology, which remains in the Iron Age. If we had Vedic physics, we perhaps could allow atoms, but eschew sub-atomic particles as not being significant. But for astrologers, perhaps it would be appropriate to use technology more appropriate to the mentality of the discipline. Without being too extreme I would suggest using the original Apple I or an original IBM PC, plus a dot matrix printer to produce charts, although, perhaps, you might do something unheard of and actually look at the sky at night and use a notepad by candlelight or oil torch.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own. The prediction was clearly a pachyderm lies. Sorry, occasionally I can't resist taking you to tusk. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. Exclusively a computer? That strikes me as nonsense, the planets impel NOT compel as the saying goes. MMY probably didn't know much about astrology himself. The freewill of the soul is the unknown factor X; we can always change our destiny laid out by the stars by spiritualized will. A computer is certainly useful but also has its limits, the astrologers intuition can also play a big part in diagnosis. I like your comment about having Total Knowledge, TM isn't even being taught in the context of Yoga anyway, that eliminates an entire section of Patanjali's ashtanga (eight limbed) Yoga. TM is MMY's attempt to introduce Yoga and Vedic culture to modernity through the back door of science, TM, is *Yoga-lite* for modernity. And Yoga is the practical means to achieve the ends stated in Sanatana Dharma or the eternal Religion represented by the Vedas as MMY has stated, in his transcribed book, The Vedas 1964.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh dear scientific salyavin, I am the only one who's doing the heavy lifting in favor of astrology here and I wasn't even too interested in the first place. I have clearly articulated the scope, parameters of how I use astrology and the goals I have. Considering the limitations of astrology and the reputation of astrology I have a very scientific approach that you should be proud of salyavin !!! You surely missed the generous compliments Ann, raunchy, Share, Steve, Jim, LG, empty bill and others (non-active posters) offline have directed my way. Surely this is not some dumb, naive audience I'm dealing with here. Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. That people believe it is no surprise to me, people still believe in god etc. People can be weird in how they chose to see the world. Approval, eternal life and predictability are going to feature pretty high on most people wish list of things they'd like to be true. That you may have a handle on personality analysis says nothing about the working of horoscopes as they are open to interpretation. As I say, to convince a sceptic like moi you need to make predictions so we can see how it fares against the randomness of reality. What was the one I suggested the other day? You must suffer from some Oppositional defiance disorder? I suffer from Inability to suspend disbelief due to lack of evidence order. The more I look into it the less convinced I am. As Barry would say - what purpose does it solve? Whose suffering are you helping to resolve? John will come across as stupid with his predictions. No one can legislate reality, no one has an insight into reality. That's what happens studying with that idiot Sanjay. no one has an insight into reality Ah, here's something we agree on. I said I don't know how astrology was cognized, I don't care how it works - it does, but your arguments are irrelevant. Not if you want to understand how it works. Cognized is a great word, I love how it supplants worked out in the minds of new agers. No more do we have to test hypotheses against heavily checked data, someone has cognized the truth! But I shouldn't be harsh, ideas can come from anywhere, all science starts with a guess, but ideas have to be tested against reality and this is where astrology fails as you yourself admit. Remember, the plural of anecdote is *not* data. People believing things is *not* evidence. Double blind testing is the only way to work out what is from what isn't and it's been done hilariously with astrology many times. People can't pick out their horoscopes from other peoples. In one test loads of people were given the same reading and asked how accurate it was, guess what? They all rated it as highly accurate. Simple psychology, we see what we want to see and fill in the cracks without realising. Astrology is people thinking about people. It's anthropomorphism taken to it's ultimate conclusion and includes actual planets and stars - except they are really avatars acting in the same way! Good dodge whoever thought of that ;-) They assigned certain inner qualities on to planets and yes they use the actual mathematical calculations and astronomy. Apparently it has some validity, no one has ever been disappointed with my interpretations. No, of course they haven't. But it isn't a proof that astrology is a science based on positions of stars and planets. It's *you* Ravi. As Richard would say - go figure, LoL! I'm trying but it doesn't work. Must be my mahadashum do you think? Maybe Ravi would be up for a little test, or maybe not. I have a birthdate of someone I could give him. He won't know who it is but it is someone I know intimately. Maybe he could give me their analysis and some predictions regarding their life based on the chart. I would know for sure how accurate this was and share it with the group. I had thought of this before but now that you have thrown down the gauntlet maybe Ravi would be up for this. On the other hand, Ravi owes none of us anything and I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to do this particular reading of mine I have to offer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. Do many people bike in FF? Although very hot it is flat and a great place to use a bicycle in. Are there places to rent bikes there? I would go for the bike option, cheap, environmentally smart and biking anywhere around FF usually entails no more than about 2 miles or so. I remember biking all over the place there, and in the middle of the summer. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices?
[FairfieldLife] The Way We Look
Speculative graphics on appearance of humans 20,000 to 100,000 years from now. (By the way for astrologers, even 20,000 years from now, the constellations that we take for granted in the night sky will no longer exist) http://tinyurl.com/mf8f6eg http://tinyurl.com/mf8f6eg [ http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/16382/20130610/human-faces-look-100\ -000-years-future-genetic-engineering-nickolay-lamm.htm http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/16382/20130610/human-faces-look-10\ 0-000-years-future-genetic-engineering-nickolay-lamm.htm ] As for the way we look now, here is a web page that shows the average human face in various countries. This is done by morphing multiple faces together. http://tinyurl.com/3erjmqr http://tinyurl.com/3erjmqr [ http://www.mediadump.com/hosted-id167-average-faces-from-around-the-worl\ d.html http://www.mediadump.com/hosted-id167-average-faces-from-around-the-wor\ ld.html ] And (mostly for the guys here): [Average faces of women around the world.]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
Hi Ann, just recently I've noticed more and more people biking. The better weather maybe and FF now has bike lanes all over. I know of at least 2 people, one man and one woman, who bike in ALL weather. I was told recently that she's a cancer survivor and raw food enthusiast. I like to think that biking in all weather is her celebration of being alive rather than part of a spartan regimen. We have AJ's Bike Shop which does repairs but I don't know if they also rent bikes. I have a very basic 3 speed bike but prefer walking because for that I don't have to wear a helmet! What I'd really prefer is to roller skate but then we're talking knee and elbow protection too. From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. Do many people bike in FF? Although very hot it is flat and a great place to use a bicycle in. Are there places to rent bikes there? I would go for the bike option, cheap, environmentally smart and biking anywhere around FF usually entails no more than about 2 miles or so. I remember biking all over the place there, and in the middle of the summer. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. I doubt if little Tony Nader knew why the ancients only considered the 7 'planets'; 5 planets and two luminaries (Sun and Moon). Manly Hall has addressed this issue in the below lecture if you feel up to it, (may want to start at 4:20) prepare yourself to attempt to understand a very complex subject.enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJB0eZNAzY He did a whole series on the septenaries. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
wgm4 wrote: The freewill of the soul is the unknown factor X; we can always change our destiny laid out by the stars by spiritualized will. share replies: paraphrasing a tape of Maharishi: that the present moment is the most powerful moment regardless of one's karma From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. Exclusively a computer? That strikes me as nonsense, the planets impel NOT compel as the saying goes. MMY probably didn't know much about astrology himself. The freewill of the soul is the unknown factor X; we can always change our destiny laid out by the stars by spiritualized will. A computer is certainly useful but also has its limits, the astrologers intuition can also play a big part in diagnosis. I like your comment about having Total Knowledge, TM isn't even being taught in the context of Yoga anyway, that eliminates an entire section of Patanjali's ashtanga (eight limbed) Yoga. TM is MMY's attempt to introduce Yoga and Vedic culture to modernity through the back door of science, TM, is *Yoga-lite* for modernity. And Yoga is the practical means to achieve the ends stated in Sanatana Dharma or the eternal Religion represented by the Vedas as MMY has stated, in his transcribed book, The Vedas 1964.
[FairfieldLife] Re: NSA spying on our Asses is good for the goose!
Most people can't program a VCR - get real. You're the only guy on the list that knows how to upload a flat file to another server and can write queries. Bhairitu: I doubt that. What about Jim and Ravi? Maybe so, but you're the only informant that uploads flat files, unless you want to count those files uploaded long ago by the other Barry - the 'ramalila' files. Apparently I'm the only geek with a web site. Alex apparently knows all about ftp and according to what I've read, Lawson got a two-year certificate in programming. A few years ago I took two Oracle courses just for fun so I could learn SQL. Go figure. We live in a nation of sheeple who behave like they are on a TV series. Ever notice that? More like a nation of TV watchers. LoL! Hence why they ape the behaviors they see on network TV. In a recent survey, respondents indicated that they had read only one book since graduating from Hogh School - TV Guide. LoL!
[FairfieldLife] FW: IS THIS HEAVEN? Yes, it's Iowa . . . .
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Woah! Since when did the Big Bopper stop going to the Domes? He was always there when I was, making announcements just before program and all that. They let you into the dome - for what purpose? mjackson74: So I could make fun of Bevan. In those days the entrance requirements were pretty lax, So, what's your point? You failed to fly in the dome, but it has already been established that people can levitate - it's just that you can't - why not? Are you calling Barry a liar? I bet you could have gotten in too if you had begged real nice. How much would you be willing to wager?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. I doubt if little Tony Nader knew why the ancients only considered the 7 'planets'; 5 planets and two luminaries (Sun and Moon). Manly Hall has addressed this issue in the below lecture if you feel up to it, (may want to start at 4:20) prepare yourself to attempt to understand a very complex subject.enjoy. I'll try but I think Nader's problem is that they aren't visible to the naked eye and can't just put them in without polluting the vedic language with new ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJB0eZNAzY He did a whole series on the septenaries. I watched a bit of it, the first few mins were quite interesting actually. But I disagree that our ancient ancestors knew more than we do. They may have *believed* differently about everything but beliefs aren't knowledge. You never know what they might have seen and interpreted differently to how we would, all the wheels within wheels stuff in the bible sounds like a description of the gates of Babylon. Interesting idea about why there are 7 days weeks though, it's all to do with the moon of course and it all comes from Babylon. We still use so much from that civilisation even though it disappeared in old testament times, but we've kept the stories alive. Funny how some beliefs stick and get passed on... Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: thank you for the reply, it reveals alot --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? What are you thinking in recertifying as a Governor? Just wondering. You were a gov and never in Fairfield, that is interesting. -Buck Yes,was an initiator,1972, then associate 108, didn't become a governor until India, 1986. by that time I was very involved in a healthcare career. I work with alot of wounded warrior programs and I would like to be recertified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
Are you certain this is a recertification course? From the descriptions I read, it didn't say that. I got the impression it's just a gathering of governors, but maybe I'm wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: thank you for the reply, it reveals alot --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? What are you thinking in recertifying as a Governor? Just wondering. You were a gov and never in Fairfield, that is interesting. -Buck Yes,was an initiator,1972, then associate 108, didn't become a governor until India, 1986. by that time I was very involved in a healthcare career. I work with alot of wounded warrior programs and I would like to be recertified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
Yes, thank you ShareLong, the course offfice offered suggestions, i thought I would ask for some feedback outside of the course office. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
Both courses are simultaneous, recertification course and the gathering for both governors and recertified governors. there are two separate sign up sheets http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ http://www.tm.org/governors-special-assembly/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Are you certain this is a recertification course? From the descriptions I read, it didn't say that. I got the impression it's just a gathering of governors, but maybe I'm wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: thank you for the reply, it reveals alot --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? What are you thinking in recertifying as a Governor? Just wondering. You were a gov and never in Fairfield, that is interesting. -Buck Yes,was an initiator,1972, then associate 108, didn't become a governor until India, 1986. by that time I was very involved in a healthcare career. I work with alot of wounded warrior programs and I would like to be recertified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
PG, The American researcher I'm talking about is John Anthony West. He has worked with Robert Schoch to come up with his theory about the Sphinx. Here's the documentary presenting his ideas about this matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdACZoU3Nd4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Further, another American researcher theorized that the Sphinx may have been built about 16,000 years ago. He calculated that it was a monument to show that it was built when the vernal equinox occurred during the sign of Leo. The most interesting thing I have seen that suggests that the Sphinx may be older than is currently thought is the theory of geologist Robert M. Schoch. He contends that it is only serious rainfall that could have caused the kind of erosion seen on the Sphinx. And because he believes that kind of climate significantly predates the time of Khufu (4.5K years ago), the origin of the Sphinx is a mystery (which is fun). I don't see that he has been conclusively rebutted. It seems to me (from my limited knowledge) that the archaeologists do not take kindly to other disciplines treading on their patch (such turf wars are evident in the climate debate IMO). But there are other more powerful criticisms from some fellow geologists it seems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis http://www.robertschoch.com/sphinxcontent.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
On 06/13/2013 06:07 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own. How many cars have you owned? Which brings up a point about Indian astrology. It was the purview of the rich not the masses. Obviously at the time only the rich could afford to have their charts cast and often it was only the kings or rajas. For the masses there was the panchang using the position of the moon which can be determined by just looking at moon's phases. We haven't even touched palmistry yet but it may give another clue as to why astrology works. I also took courses on it and once read the palm of the wife of a co-worker. I told her there would be some medical issues ahead. Another co-worker who had taken some of the palmistry classes with me was shocked I would say such a thing. He didn't notice the grin on the couple's face. They had recently learned they were expecting a child. Astrology most likely developed from marking time with the moon, then the sun and eventually the planets. What was being observed were patterns in nature that repeat themselves. Those who know the physics of sound know that a fundamental sound has overtones. The universe was created as a fundamental tone we are just the overtone series. It's like the whole universe is made of fractals. Astrology is not supposed to be exact. Weather forecasting isn't exact either but provides the likelihood of weather patterns. Similarly astrology provides a likelihood of patterns occurring in someone's life. Bad astrologers believe it to be black and white.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: NSA spying on our Asses is good for the goose!
On 06/13/2013 07:55 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Most people can't program a VCR - get real. You're the only guy on the list that knows how to upload a flat file to another server and can write queries. Bhairitu: I doubt that. What about Jim and Ravi? Maybe so, but you're the only informant that uploads flat files, unless you want to count those files uploaded long ago by the other Barry - the 'ramalila' files. Apparently I'm the only geek with a web site. Alex apparently knows all about ftp and according to what I've read, Lawson got a two-year certificate in programming. A few years ago I took two Oracle courses just for fun so I could learn SQL. Go figure. SQL is actually pretty simple. It had to be for business to have a lot of programmers using it. I never took any programming classes and learned out of books. However I did hang out with a lot of professional programmers when I started out and because I already had experience teaching things I wound up teaching 6502 assembler for a computer club. I had a lot of professional programmers who took that class. And actually few of those people majored in computer science in college and learned from books themselves or a few workshops. Most colleges we bad at teaching computer science anyway. I was an advisor to one college's computer department because they needed help finding what to teach to get their graduate's jobs. Nobody was hiring pascal programmers. We got them to teach C and C++ instead. By the late 1990s colleges started teaching comp sci better. You have to have a knack for programming. It is like music. All the music theory in the world won't make you a musician. My niece has a Master's degree in comp sci but no knack for programming. I know because I tutored her for her Bachelor's degree. She only had one computer job and was so badgered by the boss she never took another one again and spent years trying to earn a living as a dog groomer. Now she is getting a doctorate in teaching kids with learning disabilities which is what she currently does for a living.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
I suppose we could tolerate one serious, uncreative, and boring person, here? Sort of a penance? Or, from a Reality TV perspective, it is Bad Boys vs. Martyrs, and...IT IS ON!! Seriously, I remember Maharishi equating being serious with being stressed. Seriously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: thank you for the reply, it reveals alot Yes it does. The doc has a great sense of humour. It also reveals when you venture onto FFL you never quite know what you'll run into. Just be glad it wasn't Barry. Your hair would be currently on fire. Hopefully with the doctor you had a small chuckle. It is very important to be able to laugh at just about anything around here. This is not a place for people who take themselves, or the world, without a good dollop of humour. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for asking. The official list is as follows: 1. Forbidden Fruits Ranchette, First and Pine, Rooms by the quarter hour, hour, day, or month. Ask for Rosie. 2. Mike's Place. Off Highway 23, rent a room above the bar of the same name. Discounts if you can throw darts, and/or chug a pitcher, without puking. 3. The NEW Bates Motel, near the cemetery. Don't be fooled. Don't take a shower. Chain mail PJ's, or similar, recommended. Clean rooms. Comfy rockers, too. 4. Vedic Country Inn, 108 Sari Lass Lane. Knotty Pine blends with Natural Law, in this funky, spiritual retreat. Bring plenty of Raams for BINGO night. Any deviation from these room and board selections will be dealt with harshly. Have a Very Jai Guru Dev, The Course Office. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own. Xeno, The modern equivalent to elephants are motor vehicles like cars, vans, and trucks. You have to use your common sense. By the way, that program is excellent and I'm still using it in my jyotish analyses. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own. Xeno, The modern equivalent to elephants are motor vehicles like cars, vans, and trucks. You have to use your common sense. LOL. By the way, that program is excellent and I'm still using it in my jyotish analyses. So can you tell us how many cars Xeno owns? JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Perhaps you could call astrology the science of 'probabilities', for instance, if you repeat an action the same way 99 times in a row, what are the chances you will do it the 100th time in the same way?, that's astrology in a nutshell, IMO. The planets define ones habit patterns from previous lifetimes, as ye sow so shall ye reap. We create our own horoscope (destiny) by the lives we have lived in the past, (karma).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Perhaps you could call astrology the science of 'probabilities', for instance, if you repeat an action the same way 99 times in a row, what are the chances you will do it the 100th time in the same way?, that's astrology in a nutshell, IMO. The planets define ones habit patterns from previous lifetimes, as ye sow so shall ye reap. We create our own horoscope (destiny) by the lives we have lived in the past, (karma). H..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Salyavin, A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. JR JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... Have you heard of/considered/understood (delete as appropriate) Jung's concept of synchronicity? I know that as a naive positivist it may be anathema - but do you understand it? The positions of the heavens at a particular moment in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, also reflect the qualities of anything born at that moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are synchronous, and mirror each other. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm If there is something to astrology (if), then it is *not* about causation, or about the *correctness* or *completeness* of any particular astronomical system. It is about the possibility that the *quality* of any *significant* moment can potentially reveal information about the state of the totality. It could be dividing some yarrow stalks, reading some tea leaves, tossing some coins, looking at something significant at the point of birth...whatever. You chose. Note the word: It is about the *Quality* of the moment (in a Hegelian sense) that is chosen. It is an art, not a science. As one of the recent threads on FFL has been delving into the pseudoscience of astrology, I have been spending my time reading sections of a blog written by a sociopath, which is rather interesting reading, it kind of just slides right in with the psychotic nature of FFL and the 'neuro typical' and 'empath' population here, to use some names for most of us from the creative folk in sociopath land (there are some extraordinarliy intelligrnt sociopaths out there, and you probably know some without being aware that they are not like you). There seems to be some specific crossovers between sociopaths and enlightenment as far as mental states of experience. Perhaps I will start a thread on that later on. To get back to astrology. As scientifically astrology basically has zero predictive properties (except in the minds of its practitioners), I thought it might be better to introduce dwarf planet astrology, and chuck the original systems, both Western and Eastern. Unfortunately my idea is not original. Others have already jumped into the fray. The current locations of dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates [the candidates are marked '(a)' from officially named dwarfs]: (the '#709;' symbol means 'subscript' if it gets through Yahoo's alphanumeric-symbol, character-entity translation software, otherwise whatever shows up on your computer should be an inverted carat [cheers Share ÂÂÂ]) Ceres Gemini HaumeaBootes Makemake ComaBerenices Eris Cetus Pluto-Charon Sagittarius Sedna (a) Taurus Varuna (a)Gemini Quaoar (a)Serpens Cauda Orcus (a) Sextans Ixion (a) Ophiuchus 2002 TC#709;302 (a) Aries 2007 OR#709;10 (a) Aries Since size and distance of those little pointy lights in the sky make no difference in astrology, it certainly is possible that these tiny dim pointy lights could have a VAST influence on humanity and our little world. At least there are some that think so. For example: --- 2007 OR10 and 2002 TC302 astrology 'Perhaps the striking news is that the newly discovered 2007 OR10 , near in size to Pluto, seems to has a strong astrological effect, at least derived by mundane astrology observations.' 'The fact is that in the recent millenia, 2007 OR10 has been orbiting near Eris, just beyond it, with a similar orbital period, and therefore makes things a little bit confusing to distinguish.' 'I see that every time 2007 OR10 has entered Aries a whole lot of global changes have happened: this was circa 150-50 BC, 350-450 AC, 1000 AC, 1470-1520 AC and now 1990-2040.' '2007 OR10 will enter the mid degrees of Aries in the years ahead, as it did in 1490, the years of the discovery (and conquests) of America, or approximately during the fall of Rome circa 350-410, or during the Roman conquests of the Greece and Egypt, two powerful and influencing civilizations. It enters the critical 10-11º Aries in 2010-2014, (like in 1492) then stays during the more intense Aries energy until 2047 (like in 1520).' 'Therefore, we predict a new unfolding wave of discoveries, 'conquests' and societal reconstruction, a civilization shift in balance.' 'It's still too soon to assert its astrological meaning. But judging by several chart readings, it seems that 2007 OR10 is full of positive energy, vibrant and a strong creative and ever-flowing energy (but it is in Aries too).' --- At least Western astrology, with its positioning flaws, is investigating new information unlike Vedic astrology, which remains in the Iron Age. If we had Vedic physics, we perhaps could allow atoms, but eschew sub-atomic particles as not being
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Salyavin, A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. JR OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
One, a VW bus, with the front emblem painted over as a peace sign. He did have a small herd of Indian elephants, but lost them to big game rustlers, an increasing problem in the state of Rhode Island, where he resides. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: I remember Marshy saying that the best jyotishee would be a computer because the universe worked in such a predictable mechanical way, the less human interference in the process the better! I also remember the list of jyotish predictions that they published every year. Had a full set in my office. Ever quizzical I used to save them up and check to see how many predictions came true. Not many. I also remember the jyotish programme being suspended for a while due to complaints about poor performance and then re-introduced, but only for people who could provide the birth details of both sets of grandparents! This would have been in the late 90's. Anyone puzzled about how this wonder may actually work should check out Tony Nader's book of discoveries where there is a diagram of the brain and how the planets join up to different parts of it, presumably the parts that they govern. Planets beyond Saturn aren't included, for some reason the vedic seers chose not to cognize them. Or kept quite about it if they did. You'd think an alleged scientist like Nader might try and fit them in somehow, not enough ungoverned brain regions I guess. Or maybe he'd have to have invent some more sanskrit names for them. But to not even notice! I wrote to him about this and a few other things, one of which was how on Earth all this fitted in with evolution, but he never wrote back. Presumably the invite to get in touch with comments didn't extend to constructive criticism. The only comments they published on the Marshy channel were of the Wow, this knowledge is the best thing ever! variety. That's the trouble with thinking you have Total Knowledge, there's no room for improvement. I recall having a printout from a Fairfield, IA developed program called Parasharas's Light which collated English translations of all the applicable Vedic astrology texts with a chart. I am still waiting for all those elephants it said I was going to own. Xeno, The modern equivalent to elephants are motor vehicles like cars, vans, and trucks. You have to use your common sense. LOL. By the way, that program is excellent and I'm still using it in my jyotish analyses. So can you tell us how many cars Xeno owns? JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Salyavin, A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. JR OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. Salyavin, I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: [:D] [https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ15nB1pFhcwaX8eL4\ Qa5rtIuxuGpEv5p0QE54KUkdq6v2IEA3B5w] BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought [;)] snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. snip http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) CourseSummer 2013 Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique Abridged courseonly two weeks required Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: t...@lisco.com mailto:t...@lisco.com or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact o...@mum.edu mailto:o...@mum.edu to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to having as many Governors as possible participate in this course, enjoying rapid growth of enlightenment and helping create an Invincible America. .. Course Dates * Governor Refresher Course, Block 1: Sunday, July 7 through the evening of Sunday, July 21. (Travel date is July 6, as needed to be able to attend registration on the afternoon of July 7, and the course orientation on the evening of July 7. Departure is any time on Monday, July 22.) * Guru Purnima Celebration: Monday, July 22 * Annual National Governors Workshops: Wednesday, July 24 through the afternoon of Saturday, July 27 (for Certified Governors and those who gain recertification on Block 1 of the Refresher Course). * Global Mother Divine Organization meetings: for ladies who are Certified Teachers: Sunday, July 28 II. Governor Refresher CoursesRequirements for Becoming Recertified Block 1, which is 15 days long, is required for everyone, and includes Maharishi's knowledge and directions on how to present Total Knowledge to the public now; the latest policies and procedures; some of the most beautiful and inspiring lectures that Maharishi made especially for Governors; and a basic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... You know, they really do not *want* to learn anything about the actual principles of astrology. They want to be able to cast it as a simplistic and patently ridiculous pseudoscience, because then they can make arrogant, mocking criticisms of both the system and its adherents. And they enjoy that; it lets them feel all superior. It's not that astrology is immune to criticism on the basis of its actual principles; it's that it takes more thought and isn't nearly as much fun. Good post. It won't help, though. Have you heard of/considered/understood (delete as appropriate) Jung's concept of synchronicity? I know that as a naive positivist it may be anathema - but do you understand it? The positions of the heavens at a particular moment in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, also reflect the qualities of anything born at that moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are synchronous, and mirror each other. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm If there is something to astrology (if), then it is *not* about causation, or about the *correctness* or *completeness* of any particular astronomical system. It is about the possibility that the *quality* of any *significant* moment can potentially reveal information about the state of the totality. It could be dividing some yarrow stalks, reading some tea leaves, tossing some coins, looking at something significant at the point of birth...whatever. You chose. Note the word: It is about the *Quality* of the moment (in a Hegelian sense) that is chosen. It is an art, not a science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... Have you heard of/considered/understood (delete as appropriate) Jung's concept of synchronicity? I know that as a naive positivist it may be anathema - but do you understand it? The positions of the heavens at a particular moment in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, also reflect the qualities of anything born at that moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are synchronous, and mirror each other. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm If there is something to astrology (if), then it is *not* about causation, or about the *correctness* or *completeness* of any particular astronomical system. It is about the possibility that the *quality* of any *significant* moment can potentially reveal information about the state of the totality. It could be dividing some yarrow stalks, reading some tea leaves, tossing some coins, looking at something significant at the point of birth...whatever. You chose. Note the word: It is about the *Quality* of the moment (in a Hegelian sense) that is chosen. It is an art, not a science. Well, I do experience the moment as a completeness. It is my intellect that tinkers with the idea that things have a cause or an effect. That is the way it apportions the experience of change, by creating 'influences'. There is a certain fun in the posits of astrology in spite of its lack of robust prediction. Dr. John Fagan once said jyotish has too many degrees of freedom. That is a statistical measure of variables. It allows astrology to have the ability to match any situation post hoc, but that same flexibility means it cannot do the same prior to an event. To land a spacecraft on another planet, say the landing of the probe on Saturn's moon Titan, requires very few degrees of freedom, very tightly controlled, as it is the equivalent of hitting a dust spot on a marble thousands of miles away. Astrology is thus extremely general and vague, but it can be a blast to bask in the description of what you think you are. The mind connects with apparent similarities much better than divergences. Like the mind readers who call out 'I'm getting a 'B', and someone in the audience pipes up, 'Oh, my wife Betty just passed on!', and yet the mind reader did not give any information, was just fishing for a response. But for the person who does not think things through, it seems miraculous. Thus in astrology we have 'You will see some trouble ahead, but then there are good things that will happen later on' rather than 'On January 16, 2014 you will be in a horrible accident in Columbus Ohio, and lose your left arm below the elbow, but on March 22, 2016, you will receive an insurance settlement from Prudential for $2,415,000'. Art is for enjoyment and expansion of experience. Science is for practicality and prediction and expansion of experience, but different aspects of the mind are employed in each of these ways. When the mind desires an explanation for something, it will fish for it even if there is no explanation. One of the laudable 'goals' of spirituality is to get to a place where you do not need to have an explanation, you can just let whatever is happening ride it out, without knowing or expecting a particular resolution. It is odd, people want to know what they are like and where that is going for them, but really a person is both nothing and everything all at once, and if you recognise that, particulars are usually not all that interesting, though that creaky old human body does have certain preferences. It is fun though, to watch astrologers trying to predict something precisely based on just the chart without any feedback in an ex ante test, where the result is known, but hidden from the astrologer. The same could be done using specific events in the person's life *and* the chart or charts, and then asking the astrologer what will happen on a certain date. For example, if you had 100 accurate charts for persons deceased, can the astrologer predict the date of death for all of them beyond a level of chance. I am sure they would be able to find the signs in the charts - if they had the date of death already - but before?, I doubt it. A monument to self deception, but probably our lives are full of self deception anyway, so why would a little more decption hurt more than it already does? As one of the recent threads on FFL has been delving into the pseudoscience of astrology, I have been spending my time reading sections of a blog written by a sociopath, which is rather interesting reading, it kind of just slides right in with the psychotic nature of FFL and the 'neuro typical' and 'empath' population here, to use some names for most of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... Have you heard of/considered/understood (delete as appropriate) Jung's concept of synchronicity? I know that as a naive positivist it may be anathema - but do you understand it? The positions of the heavens at a particular moment in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, also reflect the qualities of anything born at that moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are synchronous, and mirror each other. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm So if you are offering this as a mechanism shouldn't it be a bit more obvious that astrology works? It isn't like we have an unmistakable, unaccountable phenomena that we just require an explanation for is it? The examples always given for coincidence being more than just us noticing something important *to us* don't take into account the amount of times we read something, for instance, and *don't* have a mysterious experience afterwards. If synchronicity was real - as in a shared mystical unconsciousness spanning space and time - wouldn't these coincidences that the theory was formed from happen more often? Wouldn't it have some sort of evolutionary advantage and leave us capable of exploiting it? Seems like a weird thing to be part of without noticing it. More questions than answers - always a bad sign for a theory. Synchronicity is another nice idea but like astrology it seems to lack a reason for existence or mechanism that isn't more easily explained in other ways and it also requires too many other good ideas being thrown out on scant evidence, also like astrology. If there is something to astrology (if), then it is *not* about causation, or about the *correctness* or *completeness* of any particular astronomical system. It is about the possibility that the *quality* of any *significant* moment can potentially reveal information about the state of the totality. Which would amount to the same thing as being able to make predictions from planetary positions. Why would some things have an effect and not others? And surely the more complete the system is the more accurate it will be? We need answers! It could be dividing some yarrow stalks, reading some tea leaves, tossing some coins, looking at something significant at the point of birth...whatever. You chose. Note the word: It is about the *Quality* of the moment (in a Hegelian sense) that is chosen. It is an art, not a science. If astrology exists then it will work from all objects not just ones we like or can see. And if it is as accurate and predictable as this implies I'm sure it would be more obvious. What is the quality of the moment if it isn't simply what is happening at the time. Why can't you get scientific about that? Or does astrology depend on feelings? As one of the recent threads on FFL has been delving into the pseudoscience of astrology, I have been spending my time reading sections of a blog written by a sociopath, which is rather interesting reading, it kind of just slides right in with the psychotic nature of FFL and the 'neuro typical' and 'empath' population here, to use some names for most of us from the creative folk in sociopath land (there are some extraordinarliy intelligrnt sociopaths out there, and you probably know some without being aware that they are not like you). There seems to be some specific crossovers between sociopaths and enlightenment as far as mental states of experience. Perhaps I will start a thread on that later on. To get back to astrology. As scientifically astrology basically has zero predictive properties (except in the minds of its practitioners), I thought it might be better to introduce dwarf planet astrology, and chuck the original systems, both Western and Eastern. Unfortunately my idea is not original. Others have already jumped into the fray. The current locations of dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates [the candidates are marked '(a)' from officially named dwarfs]: (the '#709;' symbol means 'subscript' if it gets through Yahoo's alphanumeric-symbol, character-entity translation software, otherwise whatever shows up on your computer should be an inverted carat [cheers Share ÂÂÂ]) Ceres Gemini Haumea Bootes MakemakeComaBerenices ErisCetus Pluto-CharonSagittarius Sedna (a) Taurus Varuna (a) Gemini Quaoar (a) Serpens Cauda Orcus (a) Sextans Ixion (a) Ophiuchus 2002 TC#709;302 (a)Aries 2007 OR#709;10 (a) Aries Since size and distance of those little pointy lights in the sky make no difference in astrology, it certainly is possible that these tiny dim pointy
[FairfieldLife] Room sharing possibilities with Share, Buck, Feste ,Ranchy et. al?
BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: [:D] (or may be Buck will offer some horseback riding?) [https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ15nB1pFhcwaX8eL4\ Qa5rtIuxuGpEv5p0QE54KUkdq6v2IEA3B5w] BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought [;)] http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) CourseSummer 2013 Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique Abridged courseonly two weeks required Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: t...@lisco.com mailto:t...@lisco.com or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact o...@mum.edu mailto:o...@mum.edu to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to having as many Governors as possible participate in this course, enjoying rapid growth of enlightenment and helping create an Invincible America. .. Course Dates * Governor Refresher Course, Block 1: Sunday, July 7 through the evening of Sunday, July 21. (Travel date is July 6, as needed to be able to attend registration on the afternoon of July 7, and the course orientation on the evening of July 7. Departure is any time on Monday, July 22.) * Guru Purnima Celebration: Monday, July 22 * Annual National Governors Workshops: Wednesday, July 24 through the afternoon of Saturday, July 27 (for Certified Governors and those who gain recertification on Block 1 of the Refresher Course). * Global Mother Divine Organization meetings: for ladies who are Certified Teachers: Sunday, July 28 II. Governor Refresher CoursesRequirements for Becoming Recertified Block 1, which is 15 days long, is required for everyone, and includes Maharishi's knowledge and directions on how to present Total Knowledge to the public now; the latest policies and procedures; some of the most beautiful and inspiring lectures that Maharishi made especially for Governors; and a basic refreshing of core teaching skills. No Block 2 offered this year. Due to Raja Hagelin's desire to have many Governors become recertified this year in this final scheduled course, and in the interest of time and efficiency, we want to ensure that all Governors graduate Block 1 recertified and ready to teach. We are confident that, with extra focus ahead of time, it will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: (snip) I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. Did John say anything about Liberace having chosen to be a homosexual? Or did you make that up?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... You know, they really do not *want* to learn anything about the actual principles of astrology. Do tell us about the actual principles that I haven't understood in all these years reading about it. They want to be able to cast it as a simplistic and patently ridiculous pseudoscience, because then they can make arrogant, mocking criticisms of both the system and its adherents. And they enjoy that; it lets them feel all superior. Arrogant? I think not, it's all rather good humoured actually. Maybe you're just a bad loser? It's not that astrology is immune to criticism on the basis of its actual principles; it's that it takes more thought and isn't nearly as much fun. You mean it takes more invention? Good post. It won't help, though. It won't help because it doesn't answer any questions. It just tries to invoke another way of accounting for something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
white and stretchy the limo comes a zoomin' she drops her thumb, intootion loudly boomin' beyond that tinted glass, no meruda's a loomin' From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. snip http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) Course—Summer 2013 • Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique • Abridged course—only two weeks required • Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: t...@lisco.com or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact o...@mum.edu to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to having as many Governors as possible participate in this course, enjoying rapid growth of enlightenment and helping create an Invincible America. .. Course Dates * Governor Refresher Course, Block 1: Sunday, July 7 through the evening of Sunday, July 21. (Travel date is July 6, as needed to be able to attend registration on the afternoon of July 7, and the course orientation on the evening of July 7. Departure is any time on Monday, July 22.) * Guru Purnima Celebration: Monday, July 22 * Annual National Governors Workshops: Wednesday, July 24 through the afternoon of Saturday, July 27 (for Certified Governors and those who gain recertification on Block 1 of the Refresher Course). * Global Mother Divine Organization meetings: for ladies who are Certified Teachers: Sunday, July 28 II. Governor Refresher Courses—Requirements for Becoming Recertified Block 1, which is 15 days long, is required for everyone, and includes Maharishi's knowledge and directions on how to present Total Knowledge
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
Dear salyavin, Let me clarify my points because you seem to have missed it completely. I don't offer any predictions - I have never have. I stated that clearly - astrology doesn't legislate reality, cannot provide any clues into reality. I have read the bible of Jyotish - Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra and it doesn't talk about any predictions. I have compared it to Psychology, a soft science - offering an ability to provide insights into the individual and use it as a tool for self-knowledge, self-freedom. Of course I have seen psychology used by people to limit themselves, constraint themselves - psychology being tainted by the subjectivity of practitioner. So then there's no evidence as in physical sciences, the evidence is from the individual who benefits. What evidence can I give of heart and love? The neurotransmitters supposedly fire causing heart to beat faster. I didn't necessarily feel my heart beating faster but my love was real - my pain, suffering too. But I can't provide any evidence. Neither have I any emotional investment in providing you any evidence. You don't even believe in consciousness but you definitely have lot of emotional investment in arguing against all these. Why bother - if you believe in the reductionist physicalism? You are right on one thing - it was *me*. You are contradicting your reductionist physicalism here. I never thought anyone could legislate reality even if I spent 16 years in Amma's cult. This is my argument against her. I never got any astrology reading, I never spent a dime on any readings, yagyas, gems, mantras, meditation. I never thought anyone was infallible, omniscient or had some special insight into reality. My approach has been the same towards all these. I was concerned about myself - my awareness, my growth, my potential. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM, salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh dear scientific salyavin, I am the only one who's doing the heavy lifting in favor of astrology here and I wasn't even too interested in the first place. I have clearly articulated the scope, parameters of how I use astrology and the goals I have. Considering the limitations of astrology and the reputation of astrology I have a very scientific approach that you should be proud of salyavin !!! You surely missed the generous compliments Ann, raunchy, Share, Steve, Jim, LG, empty bill and others (non-active posters) offline have directed my way. Surely this is not some dumb, naive audience I'm dealing with here. Generous compliments mean nothing as far as whether astrology has any actual reality outside of you saying nice things about people you've been interacting with for *years* on a chat forum. That people believe it is no surprise to me, people still believe in god etc. People can be weird in how they chose to see the world. Approval, eternal life and predictability are going to feature pretty high on most people wish list of things they'd like to be true. That you may have a handle on personality analysis says nothing about the working of horoscopes as they are open to interpretation. As I say, to convince a sceptic like moi you need to make predictions so we can see how it fares against the randomness of reality. What was the one I suggested the other day? You must suffer from some Oppositional defiance disorder? I suffer from Inability to suspend disbelief due to lack of evidence order. The more I look into it the less convinced I am. As Barry would say - what purpose does it solve? Whose suffering are you helping to resolve? John will come across as stupid with his predictions. No one can legislate reality, no one has an insight into reality. That's what happens studying with that idiot Sanjay. no one has an insight into reality Ah, here's something we agree on. I said I don't know how astrology was cognized, I don't care how it works - it does, but your arguments are irrelevant. Not if you want to understand how it works. Cognized is a great word, I love how it supplants worked out in the minds of new agers. No more do we have to test hypotheses against heavily checked data, someone has cognized the truth! But I shouldn't be harsh, ideas can come from anywhere, all science starts with a guess, but ideas have to be tested against reality and this is where astrology fails as you yourself admit. Remember, the plural of anecdote is *not* data. People believing things is *not* evidence. Double blind testing is the only way to work out what is from what isn't and it's been done hilariously with astrology many times. People can't pick out their horoscopes from other peoples. In one test loads of people were given the same reading and asked how accurate it was, guess what? They all rated it as highly accurate. Simple psychology, we see what we want to see and fill in the cracks
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
Dear Ann, No I haven't offered any predictions - neither for you, nor for raunchy or anyone else for that matter. My approach remains same for astrology reading. Sure - one could say my reading is tainted somewhat by my knowledge of you and raunchy. But I remember doing one for a lady where I didn't know anything about her and that was pretty good - based on her feedback, she was extremely happy. There weren't any predictions given, just insights into her based on her chart. So - yes, no problem, I can go ahead and do the same analysis for your test chart. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Maybe Ravi would be up for a little test, or maybe not. I have a birthdate of someone I could give him. He won't know who it is but it is someone I know intimately. Maybe he could give me their analysis and some predictions regarding their life based on the chart. I would know for sure how accurate this was and share it with the group. I had thought of this before but now that you have thrown down the gauntlet maybe Ravi would be up for this. On the other hand, Ravi owes none of us anything and I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to do this particular reading of mine I have to offer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Salyavin, A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. JR OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. Salyavin, I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. JR Uh-oh, jr, you just opened yourself up to being called a homophobe, bigot and any other expletive the self righteous superiors wish to call you on this forum, all without accountability on their part of course! (Name calling; the cowardly resort of the intellectually bankrupt.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Room sharing possibilities with Share, Buck, Feste ,Ranchy et. al?
No one has to share a room with share 'cause in her house is sleeping room to spare so snore to heart's content, at you she will not glare From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Room sharing possibilities with Share, Buck, Feste ,Ranchy et. al? BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: (or may be Buck will offer some horseback riding?) BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) Course—Summer 2013 • Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique • Abridged course—only two weeks required • Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: t...@lisco.com or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact o...@mum.edu to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to having as many Governors as possible participate in this course, enjoying rapid growth of enlightenment and helping create an Invincible America. .. Course Dates * Governor Refresher Course, Block 1: Sunday, July 7 through the evening of Sunday, July 21. (Travel date is July 6, as needed to be able to attend registration on the afternoon of July 7, and the course orientation on the evening of July 7. Departure is any time on Monday, July 22.) * Guru Purnima Celebration: Monday, July 22 * Annual National Governors Workshops: Wednesday, July 24 through the afternoon of Saturday, July 27 (for Certified Governors and those who gain recertification on Block 1 of the Refresher Course). * Global Mother Divine Organization meetings: for ladies who are Certified Teachers: Sunday, July 28 II. Governor Refresher Courses—Requirements for Becoming Recertified Block 1, which is 15 days long, is required for everyone, and includes Maharishi's knowledge and directions on how to present Total Knowledge to the public now; the latest policies and procedures; some of the most beautiful and inspiring lectures that Maharishi made especially for Governors; and a basic refreshing of core teaching skills. No Block 2 offered this year. Due to Raja Hagelin's desire to have many Governors become recertified this year in this final scheduled course, and in the interest of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... You know, they really do not *want* to learn anything about the actual principles of astrology. Do tell us about the actual principles that I haven't understood in all these years reading about it. They want to be able to cast it as a simplistic and patently ridiculous pseudoscience, because then they can make arrogant, mocking criticisms of both the system and its adherents. And they enjoy that; it lets them feel all superior. Arrogant? I think not, it's all rather good humoured actually. Maybe you're just a bad loser? It's not that astrology is immune to criticism on the basis of its actual principles; it's that it takes more thought and isn't nearly as much fun. You mean it takes more invention? Good post. It won't help, though. It won't help because it doesn't answer any questions. It just tries to invoke another way of accounting for something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I like your style. A gauntlet tossed effortlessly to the ground, challenging the person who has only one post left to a duel. Can she handle such a challenge in *one* duel, *one* post, or are we going to see reruns of this well into next week? Only time will tell. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Do tell us about the actual principles that I haven't understood in all these years reading about it. That's been done already hasn't it? To repeat: The positions of the heavens at a particular moment in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, also reflect the qualities of anything born at that moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are synchronous, and mirror each other. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm In reading your objections to astrology, I fail to see anything except objections to the *causal* way of looking at it. An Aunt Sally. My impression is that you are *not* familiar with the synchronicity approach. Or are you? If you are, what has all the wittering on about missing planets, bronze age astronomy and the like got to do with it? (By the same token, this also addresses the issue of induced birth I would have thought). I am suggesting that astrology subscribes to a metaphysics of the World as a totality. It *is* a metaphysics (but then so is your naturalism). But quite an appealing one. FWIW, my experience of astrology is that I have been convinced that there is something going on. But its practical use may be zero.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear salyavin, Let me clarify my points because you seem to have missed it completely. I don't offer any predictions - I have never have. I stated that clearly - astrology doesn't legislate reality, cannot provide any clues into reality. I have read the bible of Jyotish - Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra and it doesn't talk about any predictions. You may not offer predictions Ravi but the rest of the astrology world does. Take John's pronouncement on whoever it was who died of Aids. If it was due to the position of planets as claimed then it would be predictable as other people will have the same arrangement in their charts. It should be quite simple to predict from that but it never seems to happen. I think that's because it's rubbish. I just can't see a signal above the noise. All John's predictions are post hoc. But post hoc ergo propter hoc, so even if you don't do predictions you *should* be able to if you are using a system of planetary positions as a guide. That's if the theory is sound. I don't think it is sound and ask for evidence. Not an unreasonable thing to do methinks. I have compared it to Psychology, a soft science - offering an ability to provide insights into the individual and use it as a tool for self-knowledge, self-freedom. Of course I have seen psychology used by people to limit themselves, constraint themselves - psychology being tainted by the subjectivity of practitioner. So then there's no evidence as in physical sciences, the evidence is from the individual who benefits. What evidence can I give of heart and love? The neurotransmitters supposedly fire causing heart to beat faster. I didn't necessarily feel my heart beating faster but my love was real - my pain, suffering too. But I can't provide any evidence. Neither have I any emotional investment in providing you any evidence. You don't even believe in consciousness Huh? but you definitely have lot of emotional investment in arguing against all these. Why bother - if you believe in the reductionist physicalism? Why bother? It's fun and this is a discussion board for this sort of thing. Check the homepage: What we need is the will to find out. I never was interested in beliefs. When I joined the TMO I did so believing the horseshit they put out claiming they were a party of science. I was quite happy to point out where they went wrong on that front but it turned out they weren't particularly interested in science after all. Their aim is to recreate what they see as a perfect society from what they see as mankind's most perfect teachings. Which would have been fine if it all stood up to scrutiny. All I wanted from the TMO was intellectual justification for their world view but I didn't get it and was in fact told to keep quiet about what I thought. So I quit and good riddance. As Marshy said; Any teacher that can't answer tough questions doesn't deserve to be your teacher. That'll be irony then. I take part in FFL because it's fun and I want to keep in touch with what the crazy TMO is up to. I doubt anyone gives a shit about what I think about astrology but the arguing throws up some good ideas and helps me concentrate on a scientific worldview, the more I have to explain why I think something is wrong, the more I understand my position as well as everybody elses. You are right on one thing - it was *me*. You are contradicting your reductionist physicalism here. I'm not contradicting anything about myself Ravi but I always knew the horoscope reading was down to the intuition of the reader rather than anything to do with planets. But a lot of people still use planets as a guide and the TMO will take a lot of money off you by claiming they can predict bad times ahead by looking at your chart. This is the dangerous idea that I want to fight. Part of my anger comes from friends being charged many thousands for astrology based bullshit yagyas. It staggers me that the TMO can keep a straight face with the We're all PHD's bullshit and still peddle this stuff. So if astrology, as in guided by the stars, is real, as in measurable and predictable, I want someone to demonstrate it. All I've had so far is reasons why it isn't anything to do with planets after all even though it's planetary positions that are the key to the whole thing! It's all most peculiar. I never thought anyone could legislate reality even if I spent 16 years in Amma's cult. This is my argument against her. I never got any astrology reading, I never spent a dime on any readings, yagyas, gems, mantras, meditation. I never thought anyone was infallible, omniscient or had some special insight into reality. My approach has been the same towards all these. I was concerned about myself - my awareness, my growth, my potential. Good for you. Perhaps we are more alike than you think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Room sharing possibilities with Share, Buck, Feste ,Ranchy et. al?
who cares thy glare if only your heart is content and to be shared Oh we stare those mournful tears lonely down On the white musk rose on dewy ground. This lady's words are like a lavender and lily laden field Her words scribed with confidence revealed And that field, for sure, cannot be corralled by any gate nor fence A wistful woman's wondrously woven words --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: No one has to share a room with share 'cause in her house is sleeping room to spare so snore to heart's content, at you she will not glare From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Room sharing possibilities with Share, Buck, Feste ,Ranchy et. al?  BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: (or may be Buck will offer some horseback riding?) BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) CourseâSummer 2013 ⢠Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique ⢠Abridged courseâonly two weeks required ⢠Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: tm@... or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact och@... to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to having as many Governors as possible participate in this course, enjoying rapid growth of enlightenment and helping create an Invincible America. .. Course Dates * Governor Refresher Course, Block 1: Sunday, July 7 through the evening of Sunday, July 21. (Travel date is July 6, as needed to be able to attend registration on the afternoon of July 7, and the course orientation on the evening of July 7. Departure is any time on Monday, July 22.) * Guru Purnima Celebration: Monday, July 22 * Annual National Governors Workshops: Wednesday, July 24 through the afternoon of Saturday, July 27 (for Certified Governors and those who gain recertification on Block 1 of the Refresher Course). * Global Mother Divine Organization meetings: for ladies who are Certified Teachers: Sunday, July 28 II. Governor Refresher CoursesâRequirements for Becoming Recertified Block 1, which is 15 days long, is required for everyone, and includes Maharishi's knowledge and directions on how to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
On 06/13/2013 11:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dwarf Planet Astrology Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... You know, they really do not *want* to learn anything about the actual principles of astrology. They want to be able to cast it as a simplistic and patently ridiculous pseudoscience, because then they can make arrogant, mocking criticisms of both the system and its adherents. And they enjoy that; it lets them feel all superior. It's not that astrology is immune to criticism on the basis of its actual principles; it's that it takes more thought and isn't nearly as much fun. Good post. It won't help, though. And they're not worth wasting posts on because they'll never learn. They think you can get exact forecasts. I guess must expect the local weatherman saying that it will rain at exactly 4:15 PM this afternoon. They are probably the same souls who argued the world was flat 400 years ago. :-D PS: they must all be billionaires too because they have free will. After all what would stop them from living the good life?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Ann, No I haven't offered any predictions - neither for you, nor for raunchy or anyone else for that matter. My approach remains same for astrology reading. Sure - one could say my reading is tainted somewhat by my knowledge of you and raunchy. But I remember doing one for a lady where I didn't know anything about her and that was pretty good - based on her feedback, she was extremely happy. There weren't any predictions given, just insights into her based on her chart. So - yes, no problem, I can go ahead and do the same analysis for your test chart. Dear Ravi,as you know I very much loved the FEEL of your reading. It felt very clean on lots of levels. It felt clean of ego, it felt very sensitive. As I am an ignoramus when it comes to astrology and Jyotish you perhaps felt you needed to keep it simple without reference to the planets and the technical influences. But in the interest of others who DO know quite a bit about it you can approach this next reading like you did Raunchy's. I still understood what you said in Raunchy's analysis and for those who have a deeper understanding of charts and planets they will be able to see how good you are at this. But whatever you decide to do or not do just do it your way. Birthdate October 14, 1950. The time was late morning, before noon but I don't have the exact time so this might not work for you. However, I believe it to be between 11am and 11:45 am. Do you want any other hints or info on who this might be before you start? On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: ** Maybe Ravi would be up for a little test, or maybe not. I have a birthdate of someone I could give him. He won't know who it is but it is someone I know intimately. Maybe he could give me their analysis and some predictions regarding their life based on the chart. I would know for sure how accurate this was and share it with the group. I had thought of this before but now that you have thrown down the gauntlet maybe Ravi would be up for this. On the other hand, Ravi owes none of us anything and I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to do this particular reading of mine I have to offer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Do tell us about the actual principles that I haven't understood in all these years reading about it. That's been done already hasn't it? To repeat: The positions of the heavens at a particular moment in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, also reflect the qualities of anything born at that moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are synchronous, and mirror each other. http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm In reading your objections to astrology, I fail to see anything except objections to the *causal* way of looking at it. An Aunt Sally. Are you sure you've been reading them? It doesn't matter if the planets *cause* the effects if it's the planets that can be used to *measure* the effects. Do you get that, it's pivotal. You can claim it's got nothing to do with planets until you are blue in the face but go see an astrologer and they will cast a chart of the positions of the planets at the time of your birth. So cause or not they are interlinked in what should be a measurable predictable way. Even if it's all just happening at the same time in some mysterious synchronicitous way. My impression is that you are *not* familiar with the synchronicity approach. Or are you? If you are, what has all the wittering on about missing planets, bronze age astronomy and the like got to do with it? Ooooh, wittering on is it? Being familiar with another explanation doesn't remove the relevance of missing planets etc. Remember point one above. (By the same token, this also addresses the issue of induced birth I would have thought). I am suggesting that astrology subscribes to a metaphysics of the World as a totality. It *is* a metaphysics (but then so is your naturalism). But quite an appealing one. It's an appealing view of the world for sure but the fact the world may be a totality in this way does not contradict the ability of someone within that system to make predictions using that total oneness. As I say in a post to Ravi, you may not want to make predictions but if the position of planets indicates (by whatever mechanism or metaphysics) a predisposition for a particular illness then you should be able to predict that illness in others with a similar planetary arrangement in their chart. Simple enough. Either that or you want a unique planetary synchronicity for everyone, but that isn't what Jung was postulating. He thought we shared at some sort of level beyond matter that minds were connected. I always thought he was the closest any western philosopher ever got to the vedic viewpoint espoused by Marshy. I'd sit and tell you my amazing synchronicity experiences as they are most interesting and made me stop and think for a while about the fundamental nature of reality and mind and how they might intersect, but there is a programme about alien abductions on channel 4 at 9 tonight so as a Fortean I feel duty bound to sit and watch. FWIW, my experience of astrology is that I have been convinced that there is something going on. But its practical use may be zero. Which is another way of saying it's all in the mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
Laid in the loom of time she does not see meruda's a loomin' Laid in the loom of time She does not see, The weavers work And the shuttles fly Till the dawn of eternity. Watch with skillful eye Each shuttle fly to and fro! See the pattern so deftly wrought When the loom moves sure and slow. He only knows its beauty, And guides the shuttles which hold Threads sometimes unattractive, As well as the threads of gold. Not till each loom is silent, And the shuttles cease to fly, Shall God reveal the pattern And explain the reason why --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: white and stretchy the limo comes a zoomin' she drops her thumb, intootion loudly boomin' beyond that tinted glass, no meruda's a loomin' From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?  BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. snip http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) CourseâSummer 2013 ⢠Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique ⢠Abridged courseâonly two weeks required ⢠Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: tm@... or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact och@... to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to having as many Governors as possible participate in this course, enjoying rapid growth of enlightenment and helping create an Invincible America. .. Course Dates * Governor Refresher Course, Block 1: Sunday, July 7 through the evening of Sunday, July 21. (Travel date is July 6, as needed to be able to attend registration on the afternoon of July 7, and the course orientation on the evening of July 7. Departure is any time on Monday, July 22.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dwarf Planet Astrology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: Do tell us about the actual principles that I haven't understood in all these years reading about it. That's been done already hasn't it? No it hasn't. Not by a long chalk. I want a mechanism, statements like as above so below are not mechanisms. A mechanism would be something like gravity pulling the water around the brain around which might affect mood and behaviour at certain times. See, it has physical principles behind it but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny as gravity is incredibly weak and a bus going past your house affects your brain more than Jupiter ever could. You may think that the quality of the moment allegedly being an art and not a science (as if anything can avoid being both) absolves it of the need for a physical mechanism but you'd be wrong because you are implying connection or communication, therefore there has to be a way disparate objects are connected. Even with synchronicity there would have to be a dependable principle, though it would also have to explain why it's so unexplainably erratic. This connection or communication has to be part of the principle of being able to make predictions from inside the system I mentioned in my previous post. If it isn't, you've got some explaining to do on what evasion you are falling back on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Billy, That's an excellent point. Hey, Barry, I agree with Billy on the idea of a default position.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
That's complete bullshit - to believe that one has to on some level believe that God sanctions heterosexual energy and does not sanction homosexual - God has no judgement against any of His/Her children, not even those foolish enough to believe that Marshy was enlightened and yes I know all about what Charlie Lutes used to say about homosexual sex creating monsters on the astral planes - he was more of a bullshiter than Marshy and that's saying a lot! From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Billy, That's an excellent point. Hey, Barry, I agree with Billy on the idea of a default position.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear RD sorry for not getting back to you right away, got caught up and considering I already had the core of the reading Sunday evening itself however also wanted to wait for more, other things I may have missed. Thanks for reading my chart, Ravi. I truly appreciate your generosity of spirit. I'm on vacation in Jamaica and haven't been online in a few days. I was surprised to see that you got a chance to analyze my chart so quickly. Anyway, it was fun to see the various responses of posters and letting the dust settle before responding. Oh that Obba, bring it, girl. My standard disclaimers first not meant to be fatalistic since IMO Jyotish doesn't capture free will and how the person has adapted, and doesn't capture the beauty, complexity of reality and the individual and his/her journey. So I'm just detailing your strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges and you may be already aware of everything I say here and have adapted, so no need to confirm or deny anything here. Since you are already aware of Jyotish I'm going to be very technical I may enjoy this more than the reading for Ann, because of that. First off your Ascendant is in Aries, so the effects are magnified and are easy to measure, as in Saturn in 2nd house in Taurus the natural 2nd of the zodiac. But then signs represent inner nature vs house, the domain. So Taurus represents one's need for stability, to be tethered being fixed earth and 2nd house for resources, speech, family. Yes, strong need for stability but lack of discipline in maintaining resources does interfere. Now coming to Sun dasha it's effects. You are right dasha changes do reflect major changes in life, I have personally felt it in my life and major changes corresponded to major dasha periods. They corresponded to the ayana, direction of life in Jyotish as in dharma, artha, kama, moksha so the dasha changes shifted according to the houses they ruled. Dharma (1, 5, 9 houses) as in oneself, one's abilities, creative self-expression and one's inherent tendencies expressed as living truth the do's don't's, morality, ethics and such (9th). (Artha for accumulation, stability, Kama for desires and Moksha for one's inner search.) I always thought that having so many planets in the 5th house indicated Purva Punya, past life credit, and perhaps a good thing that softens the challenges of the 5th house. Anyway, it's a happy thought that anything positive coming my way might be payback for past good deeds and a reason to do good deeds in this life. So Sun in 5th house as the 5th lord means a primary need to express your abilities, your creativity. Looking at earlier dashas, you have never ran the major dasha of 1st, 5th and 9th lords in your prime adulthood only Jupiter (9th 10th lord) dasha at your birth. So this explains the feeling perhaps of Tempus Fugit time's flying, being wasted of yours. Perhaps you are feeling this urge of 5th your need to finally focus on your creativity not that you haven't ever to varying degrees, but as a major focus to create something. This is exceptionally strong since it's all 5th Sun, 5th lord in 5th house in Leo (5th house of zodiac that Aries being your ascendant thing again). Rahu is here so it's magnified, it's obsessive, it's consuming, over-powering. Sun is in the 5th with Mars, Venus and Rahu. This is the prime focus of yours, your urge to create Mars Venus, you are very creative, trying to channel elements of love, beauty, sex, music. But in Leo so you are dignified, polished, sophisticated very private, don't draw attention, Leos don't need to. They just put their vibe out and others are attracted to them like a prey to the lion. However this has all to be noble, serve a noble cause, reflecting your generosity and magnanimity, yours generosity also being confirmed by Moon, Jupiter conjunction. Of course you also love to lead. Venus Mars people are very passionate and are in love with love (I have that combo but in Scorpio very different in its manifestation though) As I was contemplating your chart, a book I picked up when I was 16 came to mind one by Nancy Friday. Not that you will be exactly like her but combining the elements of feminine beauty, feminine power, sex, love, eroticism into liberation, transformation of women. (Of course I gather some of it from your posts here here but it's also confirmed strongly, here in your chart) Of course I need to consider the context your age here, you may be retired and not looking for something major? Will you write a book? Can you be like a teacher, guru to other women? Or will you just create, compose and sing music? (Your combination shows someone who is into music and could be a good singer). And then 5th is also children, any focus on this - I'm not so
[FairfieldLife] Death by China
Documentary coming soon: http://deathbychina.com/ In other news: yay! I didn't have to go in for jury duty!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
the loom of time, Shiva's warp Shakti's woof intertwined forever, even God smiles at the why ever not of love From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Laid in the loom of time she does not see meruda's a loomin' Laid in the loom of time She does not see, The weavers work And the shuttles fly Till the dawn of eternity. Watch with skillful eye Each shuttle fly to and fro! See the pattern so deftly wrought When the loom moves sure and slow. He only knows its beauty, And guides the shuttles which hold Threads sometimes unattractive, As well as the threads of gold. Not till each loom is silent, And the shuttles cease to fly, Shall God reveal the pattern And explain the reason why --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: white and stretchy the limo comes a zoomin' she drops her thumb, intootion loudly boomin' beyond that tinted glass, no meruda's a loomin' From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?  BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: BIKING or HITCHHIKING: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer FFL's slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of THESE troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by DOME sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; DOME sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; .. The insolence of DOME office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, Where at Maharishi Invincibility Center No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. snip http://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/ https://www.tm.org/governors-recertification/application.html Last Scheduled Governor Refresher (i.e. Recertification) Courseâ€Summer 2013 • Final opportunity for some time to gain recertification to teach the TM® technique • Abridged courseâ€only two weeks required • Wonderful, exclusive tapes of Maharishi Raja John Hagelin has announced the final scheduled offering for some time of the Governor Refresher Course, to be held at Maharishi University of Management (MUM) in Fairfield, Iowa, USA this summer. This will be the last opportunity for some time for Governors to again become qualified to teach the Transcendental Meditation technique. The course is open to U.S. and Canadian Governors .. VII. Housing and Meals Housing options On-campus housing is limited. Governors are encouraged to stay with friends off campus, if possible. Share do you have a room to share? On-campus housing options and costs: * Private room with shared bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $480 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $30 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * Private room and bathroom: Saturday, July 6 through the evening of Sunday, July 21: $800 for the 16 days of Block 1, which includes arriving the evening prior to registration/orientation day. Additional single nights are charged at $50 per night, if you wish to stay for Guru Purnima and the National Governor Workshops. * There are also very limited rooms in the Maharishi Peace Palaces on campus. These beautiful rooms are in perfect Vastu, with private baths. Room rate is $450 per week, or $89 per night. For reservations, please contact the Peace Palace Director directly at: tm@... or (641) 919-8188. * Please contact och@... to explore off-campus housing options. * Meal passes for Annapurna Dining Hall in the Argiro Student Center on MUM campus may be purchased at the Campus Bookstore. Individual meals may be purchased at the Dining Hall entrance. We look forward to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Adam and Eve huh? You know, if god made Eve out of Adam's rib then they shared DNA, which makes them brother and sister. Which is incest. Now *that* is a law of nature being broken!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Are you certain this is a recertification course? From the descriptions I read, it didn't say that. I got the impression it's just a gathering of governors, but maybe I'm wrong. According to Hagelin's announcement several months back, this might be the *last* recertification course for some time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: thank you for the reply, it reveals alot --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? What are you thinking in recertifying as a Governor? Just wondering. You were a gov and never in Fairfield, that is interesting. -Buck Yes,was an initiator,1972, then associate 108, didn't become a governor until India, 1986. by that time I was very involved in a healthcare career. I work with alot of wounded warrior programs and I would like to be recertified.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Crossing over? A line for the Dome badge, saints as spiritual teachers who teach spiritual practices too. They [The Bevan element] have a line between saints who are spiritual teachers and saints who are healers. In their minds that sorts out a Master John Douglas [or the Chinese medicine man who Bevan might well use] who they see as just healers, out from an Ammachi or other saints and Sat Gurus. That of course is because an upper echelon of the movement does see, hosts and use Master John Douglas as a healer and the local TM administration conveniently ignores the dissonant fact that Master John Douglas teaches spiritual techniques as spiritual practices thus allow those people to keep their own badges. Their healer spiritual teacher is a saint if anyone is. =Keeping the company of saints, mahatmas, wise people: At incredible risk to their Dome badges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Really nice pictures of the Domes on the [IA Assembly] page. http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america The Domes are an incredibly real nice place to meditate. We could sure use the re-enforcements if we could just bring back some fugitive meditators again. Something's got to change. -Buck in the Dome Hey Buck, I'll be coming to FF and will be in the men's dome for at least a couple of days. Maybe I'll see you around. Just between you and me, I'm on my way to India to see all the saints. And I'm recertified! Oh, the shame! Let's meet for lunch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Salyavin, You have to remember that jyotish is a model of a person's life potential which takes into consideration the various probabilities and permutations of his/her actions. IOW, a person has the free will to take whatever actions are best for his/her life. As such, each action has a corresponding result or fruit of action. In short, jyotish is the science of light which guides humans to take the best actions (morally and holistically) in order to get the best results in life. But you've only got to do one thing opposite to what's recommended by the horoscope and the whole thing is irrelevant forever. Unless the universe resets itself to match your new destiny, which hardly seems likely. Think about it. If you aren't doing one day what was predicted then the next prediction is in error and they will keep being in error until you start going along with your earliest chart. Or is that the idea? Shit, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Salyavin, A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. JR OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. Salyavin, I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. JR Uh-oh, jr, you just opened yourself up to being called a homophobe, bigot and any other expletive the self righteous superiors wish to call you on this forum, all without accountability on their part of course! (Name calling; the cowardly resort of the intellectually bankrupt.) Billy, It's a statement of fact which turned out to be true. What's wrong with that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Which saints in India, LaughingG? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Crossing over? A line for the Dome badge, saints as spiritual teachers who teach spiritual practices too. They [The Bevan element] have a line between saints who are spiritual teachers and saints who are healers. In their minds that sorts out a Master John Douglas [or the Chinese medicine man who Bevan might well use] who they see as just healers, out from an Ammachi or other saints and Sat Gurus. That of course is because an upper echelon of the movement does see, hosts and use Master John Douglas as a healer and the local TM administration conveniently ignores the dissonant fact that Master John Douglas teaches spiritual techniques as spiritual practices thus allow those people to keep their own badges. Their healer spiritual teacher is a saint if anyone is. =Keeping the company of saints, mahatmas, wise people: At incredible risk to their Dome badges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Really nice pictures of the Domes on the [IA Assembly] page. http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america The Domes are an incredibly real nice place to meditate. We could sure use the re-enforcements if we could just bring back some fugitive meditators again. Something's got to change. -Buck in the Dome Hey Buck, I'll be coming to FF and will be in the men's dome for at least a couple of days. Maybe I'll see you around. Just between you and me, I'm on my way to India to see all the saints. And I'm recertified! Oh, the shame! Let's meet for lunch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Which saints in India, LaughingG? Hi Susan, As far as living saints are concerned, I'm leaving that completely up to nature. I'll be traveling to some prime saint areas for several weeks at least, and will definitely be out and about among the natives so we will see what is revealed. If and when the time is ripe, we're sure to run into each other and I'll get what I need. As far as dead saints are concerned, I'll be visiting the mahasamadhi mandirs of several just to participate in the daily pujas. Very powerful and really sweet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Crossing over? A line for the Dome badge, saints as spiritual teachers who teach spiritual practices too. They [The Bevan element] have a line between saints who are spiritual teachers and saints who are healers. In their minds that sorts out a Master John Douglas [or the Chinese medicine man who Bevan might well use] who they see as just healers, out from an Ammachi or other saints and Sat Gurus. That of course is because an upper echelon of the movement does see, hosts and use Master John Douglas as a healer and the local TM administration conveniently ignores the dissonant fact that Master John Douglas teaches spiritual techniques as spiritual practices thus allow those people to keep their own badges. Their healer spiritual teacher is a saint if anyone is. =Keeping the company of saints, mahatmas, wise people: At incredible risk to their Dome badges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Really nice pictures of the Domes on the [IA Assembly] page. http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america The Domes are an incredibly real nice place to meditate. We could sure use the re-enforcements if we could just bring back some fugitive meditators again. Something's got to change. -Buck in the Dome Hey Buck, I'll be coming to FF and will be in the men's dome for at least a couple of days. Maybe I'll see you around. Just between you and me, I'm on my way to India to see all the saints. And I'm recertified! Oh, the shame! Let's meet for lunch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invitation: July 7-21 Governors Assembly at MUM Fairfield
Sunds like a great trip and going with the flow. Maybe you will be inspired to give us some reports. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Which saints in India, LaughingG? Hi Susan, As far as living saints are concerned, I'm leaving that completely up to nature. I'll be traveling to some prime saint areas for several weeks at least, and will definitely be out and about among the natives so we will see what is revealed. If and when the time is ripe, we're sure to run into each other and I'll get what I need. As far as dead saints are concerned, I'll be visiting the mahasamadhi mandirs of several just to participate in the daily pujas. Very powerful and really sweet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'? How do they define the lines that are crossed? Crossing over? A line for the Dome badge, saints as spiritual teachers who teach spiritual practices too. They [The Bevan element] have a line between saints who are spiritual teachers and saints who are healers. In their minds that sorts out a Master John Douglas [or the Chinese medicine man who Bevan might well use] who they see as just healers, out from an Ammachi or other saints and Sat Gurus. That of course is because an upper echelon of the movement does see, hosts and use Master John Douglas as a healer and the local TM administration conveniently ignores the dissonant fact that Master John Douglas teaches spiritual techniques as spiritual practices thus allow those people to keep their own badges. Their healer spiritual teacher is a saint if anyone is. =Keeping the company of saints, mahatmas, wise people: At incredible risk to their Dome badges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Really nice pictures of the Domes on the [IA Assembly] page. http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america http://www.mum.edu/public-service/invincible-america The Domes are an incredibly real nice place to meditate. We could sure use the re-enforcements if we could just bring back some fugitive meditators again. Something's got to change. -Buck in the Dome Hey Buck, I'll be coming to FF and will be in the men's dome for at least a couple of days. Maybe I'll see you around. Just between you and me, I'm on my way to India to see all the saints. And I'm recertified! Oh, the shame! Let's meet for lunch. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...
Yeah, and to even pile the shit on higher is to believe in god and think has no judgement on any of his/her children because how the hell did god spawn off a his/her from his/her as if one or the other or both came from one? Yeah. Yeah. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: That's complete bullshit - to believe that one has to on some level believe that God sanctions heterosexual energy and does not sanction homosexual - God has no judgement against any of His/Her children, not even those foolish enough to believe that Marshy was enlightened and yes I know all about what Charlie Lutes used to say about homosexual sex creating monsters on the astral planes - he was more of a bullshiter than Marshy and that's saying a lot! From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish... Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: A good jyotish recommendation is similar to a doctor telling you to avoid smoking and drinking in order to remain healthy. If you fail to do so, it is highly likely that you will get lung cancer and a liver problem. OK but shouldn't it also be able to tell when, or if, you quit smoking and when, or if, you get seriously ill from it. You did claim that someone died of AIDS because of planetary activity the other day. I believe I posted a planetary configuration in Liberace's chart. He had the combination of Rahu and the Moon in the 12th house in the sign of Scorpio. He had the option not to engage in gay sex. But he chose to engage in it. As such, it was highly likely he would catch AIDs. And, in the end, he did and was fatal. Please relate for us the story of the day you made a choice to be heterosexual. We'll wait. That's the default position, you know, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Think harmony with the laws of nature Turq, harmony. Billy, That's an excellent point. Hey, Barry, I agree with Billy on the idea of a default position.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: RD's astrological analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear RD sorry for not getting back to you right away, got caught up and considering I already had the core of the reading Sunday evening itself however also wanted to wait for more, other things I may have missed. Thanks for reading my chart, Ravi. I truly appreciate your generosity of spirit. I'm on vacation in Jamaica and haven't been online in a few days. I was surprised to see that you got a chance to analyze my chart so quickly. Anyway, it was fun to see the various responses of posters and letting the dust settle before responding. Oh that Obba, bring it, girl. You WANT some of me, Raunchy? Come on baby, what DO you want me to bring? Jamaican coffee or Jamaican smoke, Jamaican man can make Stella Get Her Grove Back! or was that the Bahamas? You go girl! Bob Marley's birth home has blunts of weed, don't buy off the bus, cause they will arrest you clean! Have a wonderful time! :) My standard disclaimers first not meant to be fatalistic since IMO Jyotish doesn't capture free will and how the person has adapted, and doesn't capture the beauty, complexity of reality and the individual and his/her journey. So I'm just detailing your strengths, weaknesses, inclinations, challenges and you may be already aware of everything I say here and have adapted, so no need to confirm or deny anything here. Since you are already aware of Jyotish I'm going to be very technical I may enjoy this more than the reading for Ann, because of that. First off your Ascendant is in Aries, so the effects are magnified and are easy to measure, as in Saturn in 2nd house in Taurus the natural 2nd of the zodiac. But then signs represent inner nature vs house, the domain. So Taurus represents one's need for stability, to be tethered being fixed earth and 2nd house for resources, speech, family. Yes, strong need for stability but lack of discipline in maintaining resources does interfere. Now coming to Sun dasha it's effects. You are right dasha changes do reflect major changes in life, I have personally felt it in my life and major changes corresponded to major dasha periods. They corresponded to the ayana, direction of life in Jyotish as in dharma, artha, kama, moksha so the dasha changes shifted according to the houses they ruled. Dharma (1, 5, 9 houses) as in oneself, one's abilities, creative self-expression and one's inherent tendencies expressed as living truth the do's don't's, morality, ethics and such (9th). (Artha for accumulation, stability, Kama for desires and Moksha for one's inner search.) I always thought that having so many planets in the 5th house indicated Purva Punya, past life credit, and perhaps a good thing that softens the challenges of the 5th house. Anyway, it's a happy thought that anything positive coming my way might be payback for past good deeds and a reason to do good deeds in this life. So Sun in 5th house as the 5th lord means a primary need to express your abilities, your creativity. Looking at earlier dashas, you have never ran the major dasha of 1st, 5th and 9th lords in your prime adulthood only Jupiter (9th 10th lord) dasha at your birth. So this explains the feeling perhaps of Tempus Fugit time's flying, being wasted of yours. Perhaps you are feeling this urge of 5th your need to finally focus on your creativity not that you haven't ever to varying degrees, but as a major focus to create something. This is exceptionally strong since it's all 5th Sun, 5th lord in 5th house in Leo (5th house of zodiac that Aries being your ascendant thing again). Rahu is here so it's magnified, it's obsessive, it's consuming, over-powering. Sun is in the 5th with Mars, Venus and Rahu. This is the prime focus of yours, your urge to create Mars Venus, you are very creative, trying to channel elements of love, beauty, sex, music. But in Leo so you are dignified, polished, sophisticated very private, don't draw attention, Leos don't need to. They just put their vibe out and others are attracted to them like a prey to the lion. However this has all to be noble, serve a noble cause, reflecting your generosity and magnanimity, yours generosity also being confirmed by Moon, Jupiter conjunction. Of course you also love to lead. Venus Mars people are very passionate and are in love with love (I have that combo but in Scorpio very different in its manifestation though) As I was contemplating your chart, a book I picked up when I was 16 came to mind one by Nancy Friday. Not that you will be exactly like her but combining the elements of feminine beauty, feminine power, sex, love, eroticism into liberation, transformation of women. (Of course
[FairfieldLife] AIl I learned was from the Kung Fu movies series, sorry. ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_AyJjcDc8M You probably thought I was really educated, but alas, I confess all I learned was from Kwai Chang Caine (ie David Carradine), sorry to disappoint.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@... wrote: Yes, thank you ShareLong, the course offfice offered suggestions, i thought I would ask for some feedback outside of the course office. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? Lodging? You could easily live outside the Domes. In your car. I seen it done right there in suburban Virginia and Philadelphia even. Middle-class working people living in their cars during the late economic down-turn. Seemed to work good for them living in Walmart parking lots. Right across the river from the White House. People would pull in at bedtime, make their beds and go to sleep in their cars. Git up and go to work in the morning. Could work outside the Fairfield Domes too. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: Yes, thank you ShareLong, the course offfice offered suggestions, i thought I would ask for some feedback outside of the course office. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? Lodging? You could easily live outside the Domes. In your car. I seen it done right there in suburban Virginia and Philadelphia even. Middle-class working people living in their cars during the late economic down-turn. Seemed to work good for them living in Walmart parking lots. Right across the river from the White House. People would pull in at bedtime, make their beds and go to sleep in their cars. Git up and go to work in the morning. Could work outside the Fairfield Domes too. -Buck Housing is definitely tight in Fairfield. Lot of people live in cars out in the world. That could happen too in the Dome parking lots. I hear they are going to be tearing out Utopia park and replacing the low rent with $1K a month apartments convenient to the Domes. Of course that won't help you now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: Yes, thank you ShareLong, the course offfice offered suggestions, i thought I would ask for some feedback outside of the course office. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? Lodging? You could easily live outside the Domes. In your car. I seen it done right there in suburban Virginia and Philadelphia even. Middle-class working people living in their cars during the late economic down-turn. Seemed to work good for them living in Walmart parking lots. Right across the river from the White House. People would pull in at bedtime, make their beds and go to sleep in their cars. Git up and go to work in the morning. Could work outside the Fairfield Domes too. -Buck Housing is definitely tight in Fairfield. Lot of people live in cars out in the world. That could happen too in the Dome parking lots. I hear they are going to be tearing out Utopia park and replacing the low rent with $1K a month apartments convenient to the Domes. Of course that won't help you now. Yes, you will remember the late [Occupy the Domes] campaign [see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/293771 ] whereby even community meditators in sympathy with the Meissner Effect who themselves could not git in the Domes for having seen saints sat in their cars outside the Domes in the Dome parking lots to join with the group meditating in the Domes. Cars are definitely a choice for housing too, in the Dome parking lots.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drrishi1 drrishi1@ wrote: Yes, thank you ShareLong, the course offfice offered suggestions, i thought I would ask for some feedback outside of the course office. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Did the Course Office offer any ideas for housing? One practical consideration is whether or not you'll have a car to use. FF is a small town but you might not want to have to walk a mile or more in the early morning or when it's blazing hot in the afternoon. Plus walking means you have to allocate more time for getting to the Dome. From: drrishi1 drrishi1@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Housing reccomendations for the Governor Gathering? Â I have never been to Fairfield and will be attending the Governor recertification course. Any reccomendations as to the best housing choices? Lodging? You could easily live outside the Domes. In your car. I seen it done right there in suburban Virginia and Philadelphia even. Middle-class working people living in their cars during the late economic down-turn. Seemed to work good for them living in Walmart parking lots. Right across the river from the White House. People would pull in at bedtime, make their beds and go to sleep in their cars. Git up and go to work in the morning. Could work outside the Fairfield Domes too. -Buck Housing is definitely tight in Fairfield. Lot of people live in cars out in the world. That could happen too in the Dome parking lots. I hear they are going to be tearing out Utopia park and replacing the low rent with $1K a month apartments convenient to the Domes. Of course that won't help you now. Yes, you will remember the late [Occupy the Domes] campaign [see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/293771 ] whereby even community meditators in sympathy with the Meissner Effect who themselves could not git in the Domes for having seen saints sat in their cars outside the Domes in the Dome parking lots to join with the group meditating in the Domes. Cars are definitely a choice for housing too, in the Dome parking lots. Share makes a very practical point about having a car in Fairfield. Bring one or rent one and then you'll have options while you are visiting. Time in Fairfield is most precious for those of us who are meditators. You'll appreciate having wheels to git you around in between our meditations at the Domes. Cars offer extremely necessary convenience including a place to live if you need it. Don't sell your car to move to Fairfield, as the song says. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] How Boobs Got Their Name
Don't act so shocked...you've always wondered, too...right? Here's how: [http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x158/stevebethere/Posts/Text%20wrap%\ 20posts/boob_zpsd0778f54.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Boobs Got Their Name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Don't act so shocked...you've always wondered, too...right? Here's how: [http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x158/stevebethere/Posts/Text%20wrap%\ 20posts/boob_zpsd0778f54.jpg] The ultimate name and form.
