Re: [FairfieldLife] Happy Father's Day

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thanks dear Share. Silly you dear Obba.

Anyway my joke for the  last several years was how my ex demoted me from
being a father to a sperm donor. This self-deprecating humor would crack up
people every single time. So let's also appreciate  all sperm donors on
this father's day LOL.



On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> **
>
>
> to all the FFL dads including but not limited to: Steve, Doc, emptybill,
> MJ, Ravi, Rick the One Father of us all; and all step fathers, foster
> fathers, half fathers, fatherly uncles and friends and will be fathers; and
> any of you guys who have fathered innovative ideas or fabulous projects,
> big and small,  or astonishing works of art or wonderful events, etc.
> Hope you all have a sweet day (-:
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Horsey Woo Woo

[turquoiseb]

Just FYI, Ann, although you may know of this person already.
Nice horse, questionable Woo in my opinion, but then I'm
not a horse person. The first link doesn't offer much of
the Woo, and the second may be available only to those 
who are on Facebook. Enjoy...

http://www.royalequineacademy.com/home/

http://bit.ly/HorsePowerfortheSoul 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh dear Ann - thank you for this.

This is my intuitive and personal understanding of Robin - glad to hear
from someone like you who has been in close quarters with him. I think
Robin in addition to his brilliance, charm is very sensitive and loving and
he loves and he suffers.

I may reply to Xeno - but one of the clear markers of sociopathy is lack of
feeling and the irony is Xeno is the most likeliest person to be
sociopathic. He is so robotic, in the head, totally bereft of any feelings
and emotions, very cold-hearted. No wonder he gets attracted by Adyashanti.

Insensitive, unperceptive, boring, unattractive - Xeno is just a joke and
this message is very malicious.



On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Ann  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh wow, this must be hard. what do the doctors say Xeno, do they
> have
> > > > > anything definitive, how long must you suffer like this? Goddammit
> why
> > > > > can't they just say it, two choices - how hard can it be, either a
> > > > > sociopath or a psychopath.
> > > >
> > > > Ravi, I have been reading about sociopaths and psychopaths recently.
> I do not suffer and I am not a sociopath, but what you said is germane to
> the issue because I think I do have some traits that I share with
> sociopaths. Maybe I am about a third of the way there. Some of these traits
> intensified with meditation.
> > > >
> > > > The only person that has been on this forum that I would suspect of
> being a sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not in a position to make a
> believable diagnosis; would prefer to leave that to professionals.
> > >
> > > I can tell you, after reading the article you shared a link with here,
> that Robin may be lots of things but sociopath is not one of them I read
> the article evaluating this possibility the entire time and 99% of what I
> read bears no relation/resemblance to Robin.
> >
> > I never knew Robin directly, only interacted with him here, so, as I
> said it was a surmise; glad to be corrected. But something was out of whack
> with him, if you take all the stories into account.
>
> Well, I don't need to "take all of the stories into account" because they
> were not stories for me, they were real life, they were my life. If there
> was anything "out of whack" I would have to summarize it very simply to say
> the man felt too much; unlike our author in the article you linked here who
> didn't seem to feel at all unless it was apartness and a tendency for great
> violence of reaction.
>
> Robin was the exact opposite. His depth of feeling and capacity to carry
> and hold others within himself created situations and circumstances of
> great emotion and devastating rending. And my experience of him since those
> days in my personal correspondence with him has shown me an almost
> bottomless well of remorse and self recrimination for what he feels he did,
> how he effected so many of the people he loved in his life.
>
>
> > > >
>
> > > > The following article is said to be written by a diagnosed
> sociopath, who used the pseudonym "M.E. Thomas". I am curious what you
> think of this person.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath
> > > >
> > > > I am also interested in the experience or experiences you had 3-4
> years ago, your 'awakening'. Some 40 and more years ago I had some
> experiences that I would have called awakening, though now I would call
> them 'openings'. Some were, were I religious, simply divine. If I had been
> suckered into a religion, they surly would have been a conversion
> experience. Then I went through a period lasting maybe seven years of
> expansion, followed by decades of what I would call a dark night, then a
> real awakening, the character of which was quite different than those
> earlier experiences, though the early experiences had a grain of clarity,
> but not nearly as much as I had thought at the time they occurred. For me
> those early experiences were ecstatic, while the latter had a profound and
> utter ordinariness, a complete lack of any hint of the spectacular.
> > > >
> > > > It is that you seem to have had a very profound and ecstatic
> experience, but now perhaps more reflective about it, maybe wondering how
> things will unfold from here. I assure you this is not something I can help
> you with, it is something you are on your own here. You seem to have
> moments of deep reflection and moments of near insantity. How do you fit
> these together?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy did not understand the passage.
> >
> > I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> > of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> > Adyashanti.
> >
> > You apparently think it's profound; I don't.
>
> You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude:
> if it was meaningless, how could you say you understood it
> perfectly?

That's one of those siddhis that certain people have -- the
ability to completely understand the meaning of that which
they declare to be meaningless.  :-)

> Also I simply typed it into the forum, not thinking it is
> profound or not profound. The judgment you made seems
> to mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt
> to understand something you felt was without significance.
> Could you give me an example of a meaningful and profound
> statement? Perhaps I can't tell the difference, so it would be
> useful to read one.

Here's one she's declared to be meaningful to her several
times and that many others consider a stupid platitude:

"MMY is reported to have said (and he isn't
the only one by any means), 'Everything is perfect just the
way it is.' He was then asked, 'If that's the case, why are
we working so hard to change things?' And he responded,
'That too is perfect just the way it is.'"

There's just no accounting for taste...

She didn't like the quote because it suggested that those who
try to get people to agree with them to feel more important
are in reality making themselves smaller and less important
by doing so. That's a challenge to her entire lifestyle.

But I guess that, too is perfect just the way it is.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > NASA STS-80  UFO Formation Over Africa .
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP2Nk1WwZmA
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > Looks like condensation on the inside of the shuttle window
> > > > to me, certainly moves like water.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Moving water and condensation inside the shuttle ?? Well that's something 
> > > NASA should look into immediately ! :-)
> > 
> > Or maybe they should look into the hundred mile wide UFOs over
> > Africa or the ten thousand mile wide UFOs hovering over the sun?
> > None of which ever made the monthly press release even though
> > they released the videos. Go figure.
> 
> NASA are not as stubborn and oblivious to the facts as you. When asked about 
> it they simply answer "we don't know what it is", which is a fair answer. And 
> a far better answer than to blame non-excistent water in the sattelites in 
> space like you just did :-)

"We don't know what it is" doesn't mean they go along with the
conspiracy theory that the world is being visited by giant
UFOs, we'd be able to tell, what with radar and eyesight and everything.

But then they are probably part of the conspiracy of silence
which is why they released the video in the first place. Try
keeping those feet on the ground Nabby.

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh wow, this must be hard. what do the doctors say Xeno, do they have
> > > > anything definitive, how long must you suffer like this? Goddammit why
> > > > can't they just say it, two choices - how hard can it be, either a
> > > > sociopath or a psychopath.
> > > 
> > > Ravi, I have been reading about sociopaths and psychopaths recently. I do 
> > > not suffer and I am not a sociopath, but what you said is germane to the 
> > > issue because I think I do have some traits that I share with sociopaths. 
> > > Maybe I am about a third of the way there. Some of these traits 
> > > intensified with meditation.
> > > 
> > > The only person that has been on this forum that I would suspect of being 
> > > a sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not in a position to make a 
> > > believable diagnosis; would prefer to leave that to professionals.
> > 
> > I can tell you, after reading the article you shared a link with here, that 
> > Robin may be lots of things but sociopath is not one of them I read the 
> > article evaluating this possibility the entire time and 99% of what I read 
> > bears no relation/resemblance to Robin.
> 
> I never knew Robin directly, only interacted with him here, so, as I said it 
> was a surmise; glad to be corrected. But something was out of whack with him, 
> if you take all the stories into account.

Well, I don't need to "take all of the stories into account" because they were 
not stories for me, they were real life, they were my life. If there was 
anything "out of whack" I would have to summarize it very simply to say the man 
felt too much; unlike our author in the article you linked here who didn't seem 
to feel at all unless it was apartness and a tendency for great violence of 
reaction.

 Robin was the exact opposite. His depth of feeling and capacity to carry and 
hold others within himself created situations and circumstances of great 
emotion and devastating rending. And my experience of him since those days in 
my personal correspondence with him has shown me an almost bottomless well of 
remorse and self recrimination for what he feels he did, how he effected so 
many of the people he loved in his life.


> > > 

> > > The following article is said to be written by a diagnosed sociopath, who 
> > > used the pseudonym "M.E. Thomas". I am curious what you think of this 
> > > person.
> > > 
> > > http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath
> > > 
> > > I am also interested in the experience or experiences you had 3-4 years 
> > > ago, your 'awakening'. Some 40 and more years ago I had some experiences 
> > > that I would have called awakening, though now I would call them 
> > > 'openings'. Some were, were I religious, simply divine. If I had been 
> > > suckered into a religion, they surly would have been a conversion 
> > > experience. Then I went through a period lasting maybe seven years of 
> > > expansion, followed by decades of what I would call a dark night, then a 
> > > real awakening, the character of which was quite different than those 
> > > earlier experiences, though the early experiences had a grain of clarity, 
> > > but not nearly as much as I had thought at the time they occurred. For me 
> > > those early experiences were ecstatic, while the latter had a profound 
> > > and utter ordinariness, a complete lack of any hint of the spectacular.
> > > 
> > > It is that you seem to have had a very profound and ecstatic experience, 
> > > but now perhaps more reflective about it, maybe wondering how things will 
> > > unfold from here. I assure you this is not something I can help you with, 
> > > it is something you are on your own here. You seem to have moments of 
> > > deep reflection and moments of near insantity. How do you fit these 
> > > together?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros 
> > > > > > > > > Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > > > > > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > > > > > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > > > > > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > > > > > > > have as a take this:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > > > > > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > > > > > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > > > > > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > > > > > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > > > > > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > > > > > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > > > > > > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as 
> > > > > > > > they are", and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's 
> > > > > > > > from Adyashanti's book, 'The End of Your World: Uncensored 
> > > > > > > > Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment'. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Judy did not understand the passage.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> > > > > > of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> > > > > > Adyashanti.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You apparently think it's profound; I don't.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude:
> > > > > if it was meaningless, how could you say you understood it 
> > > > > perfectly?
> > > > 
> > > > The less meaning, the easier something is to understand.
> > > > 
> > > > > Also I simply typed it into the forum, not thinking it is
> > > > > profound or not profound. The judgment you made seems to
> > > > > mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt
> > > > > to understand something you felt was without significance.
> > > > 
> > > > You may think what you wish.
> > > > 
> > > > > Could you give me an example of a meaningful and profound 
> > > > > statement? Perhaps I can't tell the difference, so it would
> > > > > be useful to read one.
> > > > 
> > > > No, Xeno, your little games don't interest me.
> > > >
> > > So you actually do not know. Glad to know that.
> > 
> > Do not know what?
> 
> A profound and meaningful statement.
> > 
> > Do you recognize your own hypocrisy?
> >
> I never said Robin had to be different from the way he was or is, but that 
> does not mean he would be someone I would want to be around. And now you seem 
> to be apply a glimmer of meaning to Adyashanti's statement.

How about your intellectual dishonesty? Do you recognize
*that*?

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > > > > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > > > > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > > > > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > > > > > > have as a take this:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > > > > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > > > > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > > > > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > > > > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > > > > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > > > > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > > > > > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as 
> > > > > > > they are", and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's 
> > > > > > > from Adyashanti's book, 'The End of Your World: Uncensored 
> > > > > > > Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment'. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Judy did not understand the passage.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> > > > > of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> > > > > Adyashanti.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You apparently think it's profound; I don't.
> > > > 
> > > > You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude:
> > > > if it was meaningless, how could you say you understood it 
> > > > perfectly?
> > > 
> > > The less meaning, the easier something is to understand.
> > > 
> > > > Also I simply typed it into the forum, not thinking it is
> > > > profound or not profound. The judgment you made seems to
> > > > mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt
> > > > to understand something you felt was without significance.
> > > 
> > > You may think what you wish.
> > > 
> > > > Could you give me an example of a meaningful and profound 
> > > > statement? Perhaps I can't tell the difference, so it would
> > > > be useful to read one.
> > > 
> > > No, Xeno, your little games don't interest me.
> > >
> > So you actually do not know. Glad to know that.
> 
> Do not know what?

A profound and meaningful statement.
> 
> Do you recognize your own hypocrisy?
>
I never said Robin had to be different from the way he was or is, but that does 
not mean he would be someone I would want to be around. And now you seem to be 
apply a glimmer of meaning to Adyashanti's statement. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > > > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > > > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > > > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > > > > > have as a take this:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > > > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > > > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > > > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > > > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > > > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > > > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > > > > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they 
> > > > > > are", and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from 
> > > > > > Adyashanti's book, 'The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk 
> > > > > > on the Nature of Enlightenment'. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> > > > > >
> > > > > You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Judy did not understand the passage.
> > > > 
> > > > I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> > > > of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> > > > Adyashanti.
> > > > 
> > > > You apparently think it's profound; I don't.
> > > 
> > > You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude:
> > > if it was meaningless, how could you say you understood it 
> > > perfectly?
> > 
> > The less meaning, the easier something is to understand.
> > 
> > > Also I simply typed it into the forum, not thinking it is
> > > profound or not profound. The judgment you made seems to
> > > mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt
> > > to understand something you felt was without significance.
> > 
> > You may think what you wish.
> > 
> > > Could you give me an example of a meaningful and profound 
> > > statement? Perhaps I can't tell the difference, so it would
> > > be useful to read one.
> > 
> > No, Xeno, your little games don't interest me.
> >
> So you actually do not know. Glad to know that.

Do not know what?

Do you recognize your own hypocrisy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > > > > have as a take this:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > > > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they 
> > > > > are", and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from 
> > > > > Adyashanti's book, 'The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk 
> > > > > on the Nature of Enlightenment'. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> > > > >
> > > > You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> > > > 
> > > > Judy did not understand the passage.
> > > 
> > > I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> > > of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> > > Adyashanti.
> > > 
> > > You apparently think it's profound; I don't.
> > 
> > You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude:
> > if it was meaningless, how could you say you understood it 
> > perfectly?
> 
> The less meaning, the easier something is to understand.
> 
> > Also I simply typed it into the forum, not thinking it is
> > profound or not profound. The judgment you made seems to
> > mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt
> > to understand something you felt was without significance.
> 
> You may think what you wish.
> 
> > Could you give me an example of a meaningful and profound 
> > statement? Perhaps I can't tell the difference, so it would
> > be useful to read one.
> 
> No, Xeno, your little games don't interest me.
>
So you actually do not know. Glad to know that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh wow, this must be hard. what do the doctors say Xeno, do they have
> > > anything definitive, how long must you suffer like this? Goddammit why
> > > can't they just say it, two choices - how hard can it be, either a
> > > sociopath or a psychopath.
> > 
> > Ravi, I have been reading about sociopaths and psychopaths recently. I do 
> > not suffer and I am not a sociopath, but what you said is germane to the 
> > issue because I think I do have some traits that I share with sociopaths. 
> > Maybe I am about a third of the way there. Some of these traits intensified 
> > with meditation.
> > 
> > The only person that has been on this forum that I would suspect of being a 
> > sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not in a position to make a believable 
> > diagnosis; would prefer to leave that to professionals.
> 
> I can tell you, after reading the article you shared a link with here, that 
> Robin may be lots of things but sociopath is not one of them I read the 
> article evaluating this possibility the entire time and 99% of what I read 
> bears no relation/resemblance to Robin.

I never knew Robin directly, only interacted with him here, so, as I said it 
was a surmise; glad to be corrected. But something was out of whack with him, 
if you take all the stories into account.
> > 
> > The following article is said to be written by a diagnosed sociopath, who 
> > used the pseudonym "M.E. Thomas". I am curious what you think of this 
> > person.
> > 
> > http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath
> > 
> > I am also interested in the experience or experiences you had 3-4 years 
> > ago, your 'awakening'. Some 40 and more years ago I had some experiences 
> > that I would have called awakening, though now I would call them 
> > 'openings'. Some were, were I religious, simply divine. If I had been 
> > suckered into a religion, they surly would have been a conversion 
> > experience. Then I went through a period lasting maybe seven years of 
> > expansion, followed by decades of what I would call a dark night, then a 
> > real awakening, the character of which was quite different than those 
> > earlier experiences, though the early experiences had a grain of clarity, 
> > but not nearly as much as I had thought at the time they occurred. For me 
> > those early experiences were ecstatic, while the latter had a profound and 
> > utter ordinariness, a complete lack of any hint of the spectacular.
> > 
> > It is that you seem to have had a very profound and ecstatic experience, 
> > but now perhaps more reflective about it, maybe wondering how things will 
> > unfold from here. I assure you this is not something I can help you with, 
> > it is something you are on your own here. You seem to have moments of deep 
> > reflection and moments of near insantity. How do you fit these together?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
(snip)
> > The only person that has been on this forum that I would
> > suspect of being a sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not
> > in a position to make a believable diagnosis; would prefer
> > to leave that to professionals.
> 
> I can tell you, after reading the article you shared a link
> with here, that Robin may be lots of things but sociopath
> is not one of them I read the article evaluating this
> possibility the entire time and 99% of what I read bears no 
> relation/resemblance to Robin.

It's pure malice on Xeno's part toward Robin and me, Ann,
because we never found him to be the wise guru figure of
his own imagination. (Not to mention inadvertently ironic
in light of the little gem of Adyashanti's he just posted.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > > > have as a take this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > > > 
> > > > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they 
> > > > are", and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from 
> > > > Adyashanti's book, 'The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on 
> > > > the Nature of Enlightenment'. 
> > > > 
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> > > >
> > > You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> > > 
> > > Judy did not understand the passage.
> > 
> > I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> > of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> > Adyashanti.
> > 
> > You apparently think it's profound; I don't.
> 
> You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude:
> if it was meaningless, how could you say you understood it 
> perfectly?

The less meaning, the easier something is to understand.

> Also I simply typed it into the forum, not thinking it is
> profound or not profound. The judgment you made seems to
> mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt
> to understand something you felt was without significance.

You may think what you wish.

> Could you give me an example of a meaningful and profound 
> statement? Perhaps I can't tell the difference, so it would
> be useful to read one.

No, Xeno, your little games don't interest me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I can only speak from experience, in California. My
> brother was one of those early casualties (1988, RIP),

Very sorry to hear it.

> and he had excellent, and free, medical care, the latest drugs
> and treatment for the time, both in SF and LA. Unfortunately,
> as hard as everyone was working to further the science, it
> wasn't fast enough. Even the patients did not understand their 
> symptoms well, at first. In his case, I saw no evidence, 
> whatsoever, of anybody denying, or slowing down, his treatment. 
> 
> So considering that my brother had no money, and was nobody
> special, I have to wonder about the facts of what you read,
> or, why he was treated as an apparent anomaly.

By the time he died, AIDS had been recognized as a health
crisis. But Reagan didn't mention AIDS publicly until
*1987*, six years after AIDS had been recognized as a
health threat, by which time many thousands had died of
it and many more were ill with it.

Here's an article from 2004, shortly after Reagan's death,
that describes his indifference and its costs:

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Reagan-s-AIDS-Legacy-Silence-equals-death-2751030.php

http://tinyurl.com/9udrrwb

And it wasn't until 1988, when Surgeon General Koop sent
a brochure on AIDS to 107 million households, that "safe
sex" became a national byword.

My point is only that the fight against AIDS got a slow
start because those who were most afflicted initially--
gay men, IV drug users, and Haitians--were not at the top
of most folks' priority lists (as Ann pointed out).

> You may be right, from some statistical measure, in which
> case I'd have to say my brother was very fortunate, indeed.

He was fortunate (with regard to treatment, at least) to be
living in California, where awareness and treatment experience
was highest. How long was he sick before he died? When did he
find out he was HIV-positive? (I'm not trying to be nosy,
simply to understand where he was in terms of the awareness
timeline. Feel free to ignore those questions.)


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm well aware of the advances and the difficulties.
> > I certainly didn't intend to slight the efforts and
> > dedication of the researchers, who did and continue
> > to do extraordinary work.
> > 
> > I'm thinking of the fact that your former governor,
> > Ronald Reagan, as president didn't think AIDS was
> > worth mentioning for far too long; communities sat
> > on their hands instead of working on awareness; and
> > funds for research were not that high a priority to
> > start with. It's a whole 'nother side of the story,
> > a very ugly one.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and 
> > > have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it 
> > > first appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, 
> > > widely available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been 
> > > that HIV is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult 
> > > to eradicate from the body. 
> > > 
> > > Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is 
> > > nothing short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% 
> > > fatal, and lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. 
> > > 
> > > Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively.  
> > > Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. 
> > > That is no longer the case, and that is amazing.
> > > 
> > > I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage 
> > > of resources put into this battle. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John,
> > > > > this is for your information as well):
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was 
> > > > > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just 
> > > > > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb 
> > > > > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, 
> > > > > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky 
> > > > > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier 
> > > > > > > than hetero sex
> > > > > 
> > > > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence
> > > > > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it
> > > > > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace
> > > > > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he wa

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: this is short

[Dick Mays]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ideal Community Group 
> Subject: this is short
> Date: June 16, 2013 7:49:25 PM CDT
> To: "Dick," 
> 
> Super Mondays
> A full dome.
> 
> Tomorrow, Monday June 17th 
> And next Monday, June 24th.
> 
> Dear Dick,
> 
> This is just a quick reminder that we're aiming for maximum numbers in the 
> domes and flying halls tomorrow, Monday 17th. It will be great if you can 
> make it.
> 
> Also, next Monday, the 24th, will be another Super Monday.
> 
> There is a door draw. You could win a new iPad mini and/or a new bike from 
> AJ's worth $320. And many other prizes.
> 
> There will be cookies tomorrow.
> 
> See you there,
> Jai Guru Dev
> Your Ideal Community Group Board
> 
> Super Mondays are in the overall context of Super June. With the Settle Grant 
> now in doubt, and with gratitude for the incredible contributions of Howard 
> and Alice to coherence of national consciousness and to our community, Raja 
> John wants to bring to the attention of all the very dedicated Governors and 
> Sidhas of Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City that now it must be our turn to 
> carry the baton forward.
> 
> So as a first step, during this Super June we are encouraging everyone to try 
> to come to the dome 20% more often (if a 20% increase is mathematically 
> possible for you) firstly because of the Maharishi Effect and the group 
> dynamics of consciousness; but also as a way of sending a message of love and 
> appreciation to the Settles.
> 
> So please let everyone know about Super June and the two Super Mondays.
> 
> Super June is being organized (loosely) by your friendly Ideal Community 
> Group. If you have any questions or suggestions please contact 
> i...@invincibleamerica.org or call Bob Markowitz on 641-919-7045.
> 
> Super Monday
> Super June
> Just let yourself go.
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Oh wow, this must be hard. what do the doctors say Xeno, do they have
> > anything definitive, how long must you suffer like this? Goddammit why
> > can't they just say it, two choices - how hard can it be, either a
> > sociopath or a psychopath.
> 
> Ravi, I have been reading about sociopaths and psychopaths recently. I do not 
> suffer and I am not a sociopath, but what you said is germane to the issue 
> because I think I do have some traits that I share with sociopaths. Maybe I 
> am about a third of the way there. Some of these traits intensified with 
> meditation.
> 
> The only person that has been on this forum that I would suspect of being a 
> sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not in a position to make a believable 
> diagnosis; would prefer to leave that to professionals.
> 
> The following article is said to be written by a diagnosed sociopath, who 
> used the pseudonym "M.E. Thomas". I am curious what you think of this person.
> 
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath
> 
> I am also interested in the experience or experiences you had 3-4 years ago, 
> your 'awakening'. Some 40 and more years ago I had some experiences that I 
> would have called awakening, though now I would call them 'openings'. Some 
> were, were I religious, simply divine. If I had been suckered into a 
> religion, they surly would have been a conversion experience. Then I went 
> through a period lasting maybe seven years of expansion, followed by decades 
> of what I would call a dark night, then a real awakening, the character of 
> which was quite different than those earlier experiences, though the early 
> experiences had a grain of clarity, but not nearly as much as I had thought 
> at the time they occurred. For me those early experiences were ecstatic, 
> while the latter had a profound and utter ordinariness, a complete lack of 
> any hint of the spectacular.
> 
> It is that you seem to have had a very profound and ecstatic experience, but 
> now perhaps more reflective about it, maybe wondering how things will unfold 
> from here. I assure you this is not something I can help you with, it is 
> something you are on your own here. You seem to have moments of deep 
> reflection and moments of near insantity. How do you fit these together?
>


OMG is this actually a serious question???

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Oh wow, this must be hard. what do the doctors say Xeno, do they have
> > anything definitive, how long must you suffer like this? Goddammit why
> > can't they just say it, two choices - how hard can it be, either a
> > sociopath or a psychopath.
> 
> Ravi, I have been reading about sociopaths and psychopaths recently. I do not 
> suffer and I am not a sociopath, but what you said is germane to the issue 
> because I think I do have some traits that I share with sociopaths. Maybe I 
> am about a third of the way there. Some of these traits intensified with 
> meditation.
> 
> The only person that has been on this forum that I would suspect of being a 
> sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not in a position to make a believable 
> diagnosis; would prefer to leave that to professionals.

I can tell you, after reading the article you shared a link with here, that 
Robin may be lots of things but sociopath is not one of them I read the article 
evaluating this possibility the entire time and 99% of what I read bears no 
relation/resemblance to Robin.
> 
> The following article is said to be written by a diagnosed sociopath, who 
> used the pseudonym "M.E. Thomas". I am curious what you think of this person.
> 
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath
> 
> I am also interested in the experience or experiences you had 3-4 years ago, 
> your 'awakening'. Some 40 and more years ago I had some experiences that I 
> would have called awakening, though now I would call them 'openings'. Some 
> were, were I religious, simply divine. If I had been suckered into a 
> religion, they surly would have been a conversion experience. Then I went 
> through a period lasting maybe seven years of expansion, followed by decades 
> of what I would call a dark night, then a real awakening, the character of 
> which was quite different than those earlier experiences, though the early 
> experiences had a grain of clarity, but not nearly as much as I had thought 
> at the time they occurred. For me those early experiences were ecstatic, 
> while the latter had a profound and utter ordinariness, a complete lack of 
> any hint of the spectacular.
> 
> It is that you seem to have had a very profound and ecstatic experience, but 
> now perhaps more reflective about it, maybe wondering how things will unfold 
> from here. I assure you this is not something I can help you with, it is 
> something you are on your own here. You seem to have moments of deep 
> reflection and moments of near insantity. How do you fit these together?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > NASA – Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's
> > > > > > corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube:
> > > > > > StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from
> > > > > > the planet Mars.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; 
> > > > > > Footage
> > > > > > from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > (SOHO)]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > NASA – Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called "UFO
> > > > > > Creates Massive Sun Flash", uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video
> > > > > > comments include: "Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into
> > > > > > view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object 
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > UFO is real – a clear and defined interaction between the object and
> > > > > > the sun." (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft
> > > > > > from Mars. The speculation that "a solar reaction is observed"
> > > > > > is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and 
> > > > > > calculating
> > > > > > a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and 
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > on Earth are just beginning to feel it.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs
> time, take a look at the actual video; 
> > > 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8
>  
> > > And while you're at it, try explaining how optical "reflection" can move 
> > > within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. 
> > > Good luck !
> > >
> > NASA explains the marks in the LASCO coronagraph images in two ways.
> > 
> > 1. Comic rays tear through the sensor and leave a streak.
> > 
> > 2. There are occasionally dust particles that float by and as the optics 
> > are focused on infinity they are out of focus. I do not know the exposures 
> > times for these images, but the camera is not operating at frame rates like 
> > for movies or TV. The system can transmit images 10 per hour, so that seems 
> > to be what the instrument is capable of.
> > 
> > The video on youtube besides being edited for effect, also show tinkering - 
> > the flashing of the 'spacecraft' - while the object flashes the noise in 
> > the supposed multiple frames does not change, so it is a doctored effect. 
> > The actual movement of the object between frames is probably authentic. It 
> > is probably out-of-focus dust. There are many optical elements in the LASCO 
> > coronagraph, and mulitple reflections of bright objects in the system can 
> > create this effect. The dark 'holes' in the object seem to be the effect of 
> > the occulting disk. Modern catadioptric telescope optics often have mirrors 
> > cemented in the center of one of the lenses - this makes for shorter 
> > lighter instruments, such as a catadioptirc telephoto camera lens for 
> > regular photography. With a coronagraph, the surface of the sun is blocked 
> > optically within the telescope tube but dust particles near the craft but 
> > out side the tube are fully illuminated by the sun so they appear very 
> > bright, and out of focus.
> > 
> > Here is some information on the coronagraphs on SOHO - there are several of 
> > them:
> > 
> > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995SoPh..162..357B
> > 
> > (a schematic of the LASCO coronagraph is on page 375)
> > 
> > So I do not think that video is convincing.
> 
> You remind me of a small child refusing to accept something that is in front 
> of his very eyes saying No,No,NO.
> 
>  I mean a real spacecraft would look really different.
> 
> It would ? Why don't you explain to us what a real spacecraft would look like 
> ?
> 
>  The USS Enterprise on the 1960s TV show Star Trek is move convincing than 
> these images. You can see the original model in the Smithsonian in 
> Washington, D.C.
> > 
> > Why is it that UFOs are always fuzzy blobs that look like optical 
> > reflections or dust or physical defects in film or sensors? Nabby, 
> > particularly with modern photographic imaging, you would think a really 
> > clear image of something would be captured that wasn't so totally ambiguous.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Oh wow, this must be hard. what do the doctors say Xeno, do they have
> anything definitive, how long must you suffer like this? Goddammit why
> can't they just say it, two choices - how hard can it be, either a
> sociopath or a psychopath.

Ravi, I have been reading about sociopaths and psychopaths recently. I do not 
suffer and I am not a sociopath, but what you said is germane to the issue 
because I think I do have some traits that I share with sociopaths. Maybe I am 
about a third of the way there. Some of these traits intensified with 
meditation.

The only person that has been on this forum that I would suspect of being a 
sociopath is Robin Carlsen, but I am not in a position to make a believable 
diagnosis; would prefer to leave that to professionals.

The following article is said to be written by a diagnosed sociopath, who used 
the pseudonym "M.E. Thomas". I am curious what you think of this person.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201305/confessions-sociopath

I am also interested in the experience or experiences you had 3-4 years ago, 
your 'awakening'. Some 40 and more years ago I had some experiences that I 
would have called awakening, though now I would call them 'openings'. Some 
were, were I religious, simply divine. If I had been suckered into a religion, 
they surly would have been a conversion experience. Then I went through a 
period lasting maybe seven years of expansion, followed by decades of what I 
would call a dark night, then a real awakening, the character of which was 
quite different than those earlier experiences, though the early experiences 
had a grain of clarity, but not nearly as much as I had thought at the time 
they occurred. For me those early experiences were ecstatic, while the latter 
had a profound and utter ordinariness, a complete lack of any hint of the 
spectacular.

It is that you seem to have had a very profound and ecstatic experience, but 
now perhaps more reflective about it, maybe wondering how things will unfold 
from here. I assure you this is not something I can help you with, it is 
something you are on your own here. You seem to have moments of deep reflection 
and moments of near insantity. How do you fit these together?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > > have as a take this:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > > 
> > > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > > 
> > > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they are", 
> > > and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from Adyashanti's 
> > > book, 'The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of 
> > > Enlightenment'. 
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> > >
> > You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> > 
> > Judy did not understand the passage.
> 
> I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
> of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
> Adyashanti.
> 
> You apparently think it's profound; I don't.

You said it was a very poorly written meaningless platitude: if it was 
meaningless, how could you say you understood it perfectly? Also I simply typed 
it into the forum, not thinking it is profound or not profound. The judgment 
you made seems to mean you simply dismissed it rather than make the attempt to 
understand something you felt was without significance. Could you give me an 
example of a meaningful and profound statement? Perhaps I can't tell the 
difference, so it would be useful to read one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy on Jyotish...

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, I can only speak from experience, in California. My brother was one of 
those early casualties (1988, RIP), and he had excellent, and free, medical 
care, the latest drugs and treatment for the time, both in SF and LA. 
Unfortunately, as hard as everyone was working to further the science, it 
wasn't fast enough. Even the patients did not understand their symptoms well, 
at first. In his case, I saw no evidence, whatsoever, of anybody denying, or 
slowing down, his treatment. 

So considering that my brother had no money, and was nobody special, I have to 
wonder about the facts of what you read, or, why he was treated as an apparent 
anomaly. You may be right, from some statistical measure, in which case I'd 
have to say my brother was very fortunate, indeed.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> I'm well aware of the advances and the difficulties.
> I certainly didn't intend to slight the efforts and
> dedication of the researchers, who did and continue
> to do extraordinary work.
> 
> I'm thinking of the fact that your former governor,
> Ronald Reagan, as president didn't think AIDS was
> worth mentioning for far too long; communities sat
> on their hands instead of working on awareness; and
> funds for research were not that high a priority to
> start with. It's a whole 'nother side of the story,
> a very ugly one.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > The scientists working on AIDS are making huge advances in treatment, and 
> > have been fiercely dedicated to slowing the spread of AIDS, since it first 
> > appeared. Treatment, at least in California, has been, and is, widely 
> > available, and income sensitive. The most difficult issue has been that HIV 
> > is a virus, and so it is both well protected, and very difficult to 
> > eradicate from the body. 
> > 
> > Considering the brief space of time since the epidemic began, it is nothing 
> > short of a miracle, to me, that it is no longer considered 100% fatal, and 
> > lifespans of those infected have greatly increased. 
> > 
> > Back in the late '80's, AIDS = death, automatically, and conclusively.  
> > Anti-viral drugs were just being introduced, and they were quite toxic. 
> > That is no longer the case, and that is amazing.
> > 
> > I am all for further and faster advances, but there has been no shortage of 
> > resources put into this battle. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John,
> > > > this is for your information as well):
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was 
> > > > > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just 
> > > > > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb 
> > > > > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, 
> > > > > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky 
> > > > > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier 
> > > > > > than hetero sex
> > > > 
> > > > At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence
> > > > of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it
> > > > was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace
> > > > became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was
> > > > already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could
> > > > have contracted the virus in the very early days of the
> > > > epidemic before enough was known about the disease for
> > > > him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky.
> > > > 
> > > > The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication
> > > > was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five
> > > > men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii
> > > > pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic
> > > > infections to which people with depressed immune
> > > > systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing
> > > > the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as
> > > > such, and it would be awhile before it was realized
> > > > that it could be spread via sexual contact.
> > > > 
> > > > One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did
> > > > before it was recognized as a new disease is that the
> > > > *average* time from infection to illness is eight to
> > > > ten years.
> > > > 
> > > >  - just ask those Doctors treating 
> > > > > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. 
> > > > > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have 
> > > > > > been a gay man. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice
> > > > > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous 
> > > > > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid 
> > > > > Mary for our

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  
> > wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > NASA STS-80  UFO Formation Over Africa .
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP2Nk1WwZmA
> > 
> >  
> > > Looks like condensation on the inside of the shuttle window
> > > to me, certainly moves like water.
> > 
> > 
> > Moving water and condensation inside the shuttle ?? Well that's something 
> > NASA should look into immediately ! :-)
> 
> Or maybe they should look into the hundred mile wide UFOs over
> Africa or the ten thousand mile wide UFOs hovering over the sun?
> None of which ever made the monthly press release even though
> they released the videos. Go figure.

NASA are not as stubborn and oblivious to the facts as you. When asked about it 
they simply answer "we don't know what it is", which is a fair answer. And a 
far better answer than to blame non-excistent water in the sattelites in space 
like you just did :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> I am not worthy!

Haha :-)


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > The answers are several;
> >
> > A - I have no idea
> >
> > B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay
> attention to his stuff
> >
> > C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the
> question of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do
> presentations at the Domes? Should people who have been to see Benjy and
> listened to his bullshit about Maitreya be allowed to come into the
> Domes since you think the Aryan Purity Policy is such a good Dome idea?

Relax MJ, you worry too much. Get back on medication and all will be fine.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies& anti Gay policy as well is it still present?

[Alex Stanley]

One of FF's most flamingly obvious gay guys is on the IA course, so if they 
really are trying to rid the domes of Teh Ghey, they're doing a piss poor job 
of it.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3  wrote:
>
> Anti Gay policy was also at MIU & its use to denay dome entrance its still 
> present is it not?
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 06/16/13 17:49:23 Eastern Daylight Time, dhamiltony2k5@... 
> writes:
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies& anti Gay policy as well is it still present?

[wleed3]

Anti Gay policy was also at MIU & its use to denay dome entrance its still 
present is it not?



In a message dated 06/16/13 17:49:23 Eastern Daylight Time, 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

In order to reach a just solution to the anti-saint policies of TM and the Dome 
meditation ME that is accepted by all parties, goodwill can play the role of 
mediator between the TM.government and its meditator community in opposition 
that is working hard to achieve a democracy and good governance.   I do hope 
for the best ME we can facilitate. 
-Buck 

>
> 
> The gravest threat to the Maharishi Effect here and its protection of America 
> in its support of Natural Law is our tyrannic TM anti-saint policy over 
> meditators in the Domes.  It is time to repeal the anti-saint policy for all 
> our safety. 
> 
> >
> > Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people while 
> > hoping to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes is 
> > insurmountably impossible without a change in the leadership and/or the 
> > TM-anti-saint guidelines.  A large change is needed right now from within 
> > TM.   
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of 
> > > > > > those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you 
> > > > > > are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has 
> > > > > > existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the 
> > > > > state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic 
> > > > > says that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a 
> > > > > new page in this unstable relationship and minimize the state of 
> > > > > hostility and mistrust between the two positions. 
> > > > 
> > > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
> > > > First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and 
> > > > onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was 
> > > > that TMers were in many cases unable to discern the difference between 
> > > > the Real Deal and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, 
> > > > etc). Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not 
> > > > "diluting" it with other ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. 
> > > > Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers 
> > > > were still looking for help to solve their own issues or to find a 
> > > > better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way and pretty 
> > > > much the only way to enlightenment.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except 
> > > clearly the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles 
> > > of faith like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few 
> > > ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle of everything holding the 
> > > Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome meditation hostage with their own faith 
> > > about things.
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > >  
> > > > Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
> > > > different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be 
> > > > able to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  
> > > > To assume that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about 
> > > > another program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the 
> > > > assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces of the TMO 
> > > > if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to 
> > > > continue to strictly follow MMY"s policy from about 1970, or to soften 
> > > > up and realize how different our world is now and how infantalizing the 
> > > > old policy is. 
> > > > 
> > > >  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals 
> > > > with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for 
> > > > the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. 
> > > > Welcome back.
> > > > 
> > > > Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for 
> > > > the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us 
> > > > hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group 
> > > > meditation before then.  
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your 
> > > > > > > Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that 
> > > > > > > YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them 
> > > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

The gravest threat to the Maharishi Effect here and its protection of America 
in its support of Natural Law is our tyrannic TM anti-saint policy over 
meditators in the Domes.  It is time to repeal the anti-saint policy for all 
our safety. 

>
> Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people while 
> hoping to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes is 
> insurmountably impossible without a change in the leadership and/or the 
> TM-anti-saint guidelines.  A large change is needed right now from within TM. 
>   
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of 
> > > > > those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you 
> > > > > are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has 
> > > > > existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the 
> > > > state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says 
> > > > that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page 
> > > > in this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and 
> > > > mistrust between the two positions. 
> > > 
> > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
> > > First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and 
> > > onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was 
> > > that TMers were in many cases unable to discern the difference between 
> > > the Real Deal and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, 
> > > etc). Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not 
> > > "diluting" it with other ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. 
> > > Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers 
> > > were still looking for help to solve their own issues or to find a better 
> > > Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way and pretty much the 
> > > only way to enlightenment.
> > >
> > 
> > Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly 
> > the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith 
> > like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few 
> > ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle of everything holding the 
> > Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome meditation hostage with their own faith 
> > about things.
> > -Buck in the Dome
> >  
> > > Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
> > > different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be 
> > > able to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  
> > > To assume that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about 
> > > another program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the 
> > > assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces of the TMO 
> > > if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to 
> > > continue to strictly follow MMY"s policy from about 1970, or to soften up 
> > > and realize how different our world is now and how infantalizing the old 
> > > policy is. 
> > > 
> > >  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals 
> > > with the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for 
> > > the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. 
> > > Welcome back.
> > > 
> > > Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for 
> > > the guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope 
> > > for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation 
> > > before then.  
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
> > > > > > leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, 
> > > > > > TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - 
> > > > > > draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, 
> > > > > > effort, energy and money. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
> > > > > Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We 
> > > > > have suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[seventhray27]

I am not worthy!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> The answers are several;
>
> A - I have no idea
>
> B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay
attention to his stuff
>
> C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the
question of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do
presentations at the Domes? Should people who have been to see Benjy and
listened to his bullshit about Maitreya be allowed to come into the
Domes since you think the Aryan Purity Policy is such a good Dome idea?
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
> >
> > The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a
superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state.
> >
> > that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to
receive the favor of various Goddesses
>
> Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the
question put to you by Steve :
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.
>
> and how many hours of "channeling" do you have under your belt?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[obbajeeba]

Beautifully written, Auth.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
> was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
> know what he was about. You even let yourself be
> convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
> teaching, when that simply was not the case.
> 
> You went along with what *they* told you even though
> they were "protecting" you in the way you yourself have
> been eloquently objecting to recently. 
> 
> Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
> "example" in this context. That would be a travesty,
> for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
> others you could have used as examples instead.
> 
> You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
> trust him because you had trouble following what he
> wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
> around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
> which I have much respect.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
> > > > > > elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> > > > > > from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> > > > > > method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> > > > > > unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> > > > > > lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
> > > > > 
> > > > > (Carlsen.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
> > > > > Robin's "deal," you probably shouldn't use him as an
> > > > > example.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
> > > > > important thing to know in this context is that according
> > > > > to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
> > > > > Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
> > > > > with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
> > > > > and a big public mess was the result.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
> > > > > Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
> > > > > was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
> > > > > group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
> > > > > the "lesser and possibly harmful crap" Maharishi wanted
> > > > > to "protect" TMers from.
> > > > >
> > > > I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
> > > > and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
> > > > to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
> > > > others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
> > > > heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
> > > > story.
> > > 
> > > Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
> > > know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
> > > Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
> > > can straighten it out with him.
> > > 
> > > And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
> > > Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
> > > initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
> > > appears Maharishi didn't think any "protection" was
> > > required.
> > 
> > The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt 
> > Robin's followers needed "protecting." 
> > > 
> > > > It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
> > > > time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
> > > > and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
> > > > whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
> > > > considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
> > > 
> > > That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
> > > uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
> > > Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
> > > instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
> > > Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
> > > of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
> > > 
> > > What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
> > > to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
> > > its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
> > > gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
> > > Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
> > > Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
> > > earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
> > > the foot.
> > > 
> > > (In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
> > > thought

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > > have as a take this:
> > > > 
> > > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > > 
> > > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > > 
> > > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> > 
> > Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they are", 
> > and it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from Adyashanti's book, 
> > 'The End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of 
> > Enlightenment'. 
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
> >
> You found it Alex. You did some research. 
> 
> Judy did not understand the passage.

I understood it perfectly. It doesn't require a lot
of effort. I'm not surprised to learn it's from
Adyashanti.

You apparently think it's profound; I don't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin
was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to
know what he was about. You even let yourself be
convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his
teaching, when that simply was not the case.

You went along with what *they* told you even though
they were "protecting" you in the way you yourself have
been eloquently objecting to recently. 

Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an
"example" in this context. That would be a travesty,
for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of
others you could have used as examples instead.

You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't
trust him because you had trouble following what he
wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not
around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for
which I have much respect.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
> > > > > elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> > > > > from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> > > > > method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> > > > > unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> > > > > lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
> > > > 
> > > > (Carlsen.)
> > > > 
> > > > Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
> > > > Robin's "deal," you probably shouldn't use him as an
> > > > example.
> > > > 
> > > > Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
> > > > important thing to know in this context is that according
> > > > to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
> > > > Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
> > > > with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
> > > > and a big public mess was the result.
> > > > 
> > > > Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
> > > > Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
> > > > was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
> > > > group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
> > > > 
> > > > Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
> > > > the "lesser and possibly harmful crap" Maharishi wanted
> > > > to "protect" TMers from.
> > > >
> > > I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
> > > and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
> > > to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
> > > others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
> > > heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
> > > story.
> > 
> > Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
> > know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
> > Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
> > can straighten it out with him.
> > 
> > And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
> > Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
> > initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
> > appears Maharishi didn't think any "protection" was
> > required.
> 
> The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt 
> Robin's followers needed "protecting." 
> > 
> > > It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
> > > time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
> > > and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
> > > whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
> > > considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
> > 
> > That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
> > uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
> > Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
> > instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
> > Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
> > of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
> > 
> > What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
> > to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
> > its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
> > gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
> > Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
> > Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
> > earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
> > the foot.
> > 
> > (In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
> > thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
> > and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
> > be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)
> > 
> > There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
> > what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
> > the text

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Share Long]

Xeno, still my favorite phrase, actually a book title about freedom, from 
Robert Masters, a buddy of Ken Wilber's: freedom doesn't mind its chains.
Just the right amount of koan for me. Was skimming through The End of Your 
World last week. Another gem, pg 79: 

Ultimately, love and truth are identical; they are like two sides of a coin. 
You can't have truth without love, and you can't have love without truth.
and on pg 78:
That which we are, that which is fully awake, is also ultimately fully engaged 
and fearless. It moves the way it moves, out of unconditional love and 
truthfulness.





 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
truth
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>>
>> Lawson's passing comment about "context" earlier got me thinking
>> about truth. Or Truth, if you prefer. Or, if you're even
>> stronger in your preferences, The Truth.
>> 
>> In my travels along the somewhat twisty spiritual path, I have
>> noticed that a LOT of people are fond of this word "truth."
>> They speak of seeking it, of valuing it above all else, of its 
>> importance to those on a spiritual path. Some speak of "knowing"
>> it, and speak as if they reveal it in every word.
>> 
>> And yet, many of these *same* people seem to have No Problem
>> holding two completely contradictory truths in their heads at
>> the same time, and considering *each* of them Truth.
> 
> I don't think this happens often here, at least not as
> you describe it above. I think what happens is that you
> are constantly on the lookout for ways to put down the
> TMers here, and as a result you seize on variations in
> what people say as if they intended each of the
> variations to be Timeless Cosmic Truth, just so you can
> beat them over the head by claiming they believe things
> that are completely contradictory--no matter how
> reasonable it may be to take different contexts into
> account.
> 
> Your goal is very rarely understanding; it's almost
> always to dump on TMers or others you don't like. (And
> ironically, the dumping often requires you to engage in
> genuine self-contradiction yourself.)
> 
>> Maharishi was both a householder and a monk. Depending on "context."
>> Both of them are "truth," seen from that context. Depending on how much
>> you consider Maharishi enlightened -- and we've all been told that the
>> enlightened cannot *help* but speak the truth -- both could be seen as
>> Truth from that context.
>> 
>> It makes me wonder whether what all these seekers are seeking as
>> "truth," and often speaking about as if it were The Truth is in reality
>> relative truth. Things are "true" or the "truth" only in context, as
>> *they* see them -- or claim to see them -- in that moment. Truth
>> *changes*, depending on context.
>> 
>> How is that so different from the way those of us who do not even
>> believe in the *concept* of truth live our lives?
>
Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a MacDonald's, where 
the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a book and the Kindle opened to a 
passage about 'truth'. I wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend 
would have as a take this:

'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody gets to be as they 
are. Only when you have given them that freedom, the freedom they already 
posses--do you find within yourself the capacity to be honest and real and 
true.'

'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting others to agree with 
us. That will cause us to contract--maybe they won't like me. When we are 
protecting ourselves, we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > > have as a take this:
> > > 
> > > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > > 
> > > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> > 
> > Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> > poorly written meaningless platitude.
> >
> 
> Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they are", and 
> it turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from Adyashanti's book, 'The 
> End of Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment'. 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz
>
You found it Alex. You did some research. 

Judy did not understand the passage. 

Barry did seem to understand it pretty well by comparison. 

The passage relates to Buddha's awakening in which he is reputed to have said 
'I and all beings everywhere have simultaneously realised liberation'. That 
statement is pretty cryptic and meaningless to a person who is still asleep, 
but anyone who has has some kind of awakening might have sufficient experience 
to begin to have a sense of what it portends. That book was a real help to me 
because I stumbled upon it just at the time I was having some really rough 
experiences, about four years ago, and I found an exact description of what was 
happening to me that was workable. No teachers of TM had a clue how to deal 
with it. They would rather sweep these things under the rug.

I was in this house today with friends I came along with. Among people in the 
house whom I had never met were three college age kids. One sat down on his bed 
in a position that made me think of meditation. Then I noticed statues of 
Buddha in everyones room. So I asked them and they all were Buddhists and all 
of them meditated. Not TM, but all meditators, all American kids, not of Asian 
descent. Interesting what you find by chance. I think this has turned out to be 
a Buddhist day for me. Maybe tomorrow will be an atheist day.

And now I have to work on a reply to Nabby about UFOs. Nabby seems to eschew 
looking for original sources of information in favour of highly edited sources. 

Nice one Alex, for the mysterious man behind the screen.

[FairfieldLife] Parashakti Guru in America

[srijau]

would help some people to understand Maharishi's teaching better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt6WX-qNZSA

he created a correct Vaastu temple in Michigan with special Yantras to protect 
the world from catastrophe during the Yuga changes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> (snip)
> > Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> > MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> > book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> > wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> > have as a take this:
> > 
> > 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> > gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> > freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> > yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> > 
> > 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> > others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> > maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> > we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'
> 
> Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
> poorly written meaningless platitude.
>

Just FYI, I Googled the exact phrase "Everybody gets to be as they are", and it 
turned up the passage on Google Books. It's from Adyashanti's book, 'The End of 
Your World: Uncensored Straight Talk on the Nature of Enlightenment'. 

http://tinyurl.com/kskefdz

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
> > > > elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> > > > from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> > > > method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> > > > unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> > > > lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
> > > 
> > > (Carlsen.)
> > > 
> > > Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
> > > Robin's "deal," you probably shouldn't use him as an
> > > example.
> > > 
> > > Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
> > > important thing to know in this context is that according
> > > to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
> > > Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
> > > with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
> > > and a big public mess was the result.
> > > 
> > > Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
> > > Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
> > > was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
> > > group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
> > > 
> > > Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
> > > the "lesser and possibly harmful crap" Maharishi wanted
> > > to "protect" TMers from.
> > >
> > I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
> > and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
> > to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
> > others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
> > heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
> > story.
> 
> Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
> know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
> Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
> can straighten it out with him.
> 
> And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
> Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
> initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
> appears Maharishi didn't think any "protection" was
> required.

The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt Robin's 
followers needed "protecting." 
> 
> > It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
> > time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
> > and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
> > whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
> > considered at all to be devoted to MMY.
> 
> That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
> uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
> Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
> instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
> Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
> of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
> 
> What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
> to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
> its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
> gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
> Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
> Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
> earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
> the foot.
> 
> (In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
> thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
> and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
> be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)
> 
> There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
> what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
> the text of an ad Robin placed in the Fairfield Ledger
> (it's in the Miscellaneous Writings folder):
> 
> "...For the sake of the immaculate wisdom that does flow from the 
> transcendent, and from the heart of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, we challenge 
> faculty members at MIU to a public debate on the following topic: 'Be it 
> resolved that Maharishi International University has begun to define the 
> Science of Creative Intelligence--and to live out the Science of Creative 
> Intelligence--in a form which violates the sacred springs of meaning and 
> feeling of Western civilization, and which furthermore threatens to bring 
> about the eventual demise of the Science of Creative Intelligence.'"
> 
> *Of course* the Big Deals at MIU would have done their best
> to spread the word that Robin was anathema. *Of course*
> they would have pronounced it OTP for TMers to go hear what
> he had to say. *Of course* they would have portrayed him as
> a threat to the purity of the teaching.
> 
> And you believed them--without ever doing any investigating
> on your own.

It was not at all, for me 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar

[John]

Share,

May your dad have a good one as well.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> John wrote: it is during spring time that the Sun has a sexual orgy with 
> Mother Earth to sow the seeds of life.
> 
> share replies: then Happy Father's Day dear Sun (-:
> 
> In another post John wrote: But my pet theory is that this is due to the 
> universe being a hologram. 
>  IOW, we as humans are a representation of the universe as a whole.  
> And, our body cells are the representation of us.
> 
> share replies: my guess is it's more like the Russian dolls nested into one 
> another. Meaning, there's a one to one correspondence rather than us humans 
> being a representation of the universe and our cells being a representation 
> of us.
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:04 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Share,
> 
> One can say that each one of us is unique since we were born at a specific 
> time and place on earth and in relation with the planetary configuration of 
> the planets in the solar system.
> 
> KN Rao once said that Brahma creates a new model of human beings every year.  
> In astrological terms, the new season starts on the vernal equinox in which 
> literally and figuratively the seeds of life are sown.  In mythological 
> terms, it is during spring time that the Sun has a sexual orgy with Mother 
> Earth to sow the seeds of life.
> 
> We can also surmise that the quality of life and human beings vary depending 
> on the various yugas, which can be ascertained by the precession of Pole Star.
> 
> So, Patanjali's sutra relating to Dhruva is more complicated than we can 
> imagine.
> 
> JR
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Very cool stuff, John. I love watching the pole star move. Something else 
> > I've heard with relation to 25,000 is that our individual planetary 
> > configuration only occurs every 25,000 years. I began watching Santos on 
> > the body as temple but haven't finished yet. Not sure about that Sodom and 
> > Gomorrah part!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: John 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:05 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Share,
> > 
> > Please, take a look at the video at the start of this thread.  It explains 
> > how Sri Yukteswar cognized the precession of the Pole Star, which has a 
> > cycle of about 25,000 years.
> > 
> > He used this cycle as the basis for the cycle of the various yugas.  As 
> > such, he divided the various yugas at different time intervals.  The Satya 
> > Yuga is allocated the longest number of years and Kali Yuga with the 
> > shortest.
> > 
> > Since the Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD, we can derive that the vernal 
> > equinoxes occurred during the sign of Pisces for this yuga.  At this time, 
> > our vernal equinoxes is occurring at about 7 degrees Pisces.  Based on this 
> > sign, we can deduce the sign of Satya Yuga to be on the opposite side of 
> > Pisces which is the sign of Virgo.
> > 
> > Therefore, it will take about 12,500 years (half of the 25,000 year cycle 
> > for the precession) for the vernal equinoxes to precess from Pisces to 
> > Virgo (on a counter-clockwise motion).
> > 
> > This is a very fascinating subject.  For more details, you should watch the 
> > videos by Santos Bonacci (Astro Theology series) on YouTube for a detailed 
> > explanation of the relationship between the vernal equinoxes and the zodiac 
> > signs.
> > 
> > I hope this helps.
> > 
> > JR
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > John I think copper is ruled by Venus. Maybe that's why there are so many 
> > > Libra ascendents. Meanwhile, Sat Yuga and Virgo?! Which is ruled by 
> > > Mercury?! That doesn't seem right to me. I think of Guru as the sattvic 
> > > planet.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: John 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:20 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He stated that the earth's precession is due to the Sun's orbit 
> > > > > > with a binary star, Sirius.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This precession is the basis for the various yugas or ages of human 
> > > > > > history.  He said that Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtJ-yzqT24
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Makes much more sense; C Lutes used to say 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but 
> in a MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I 
> opened a book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 
> 'truth'. I wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and 
> authfriend would have as a take this:
> 
> 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. 
> Everybody gets to be as they are. Only when you have 
> given them that freedom, the freedom they already 
possess--do you find within yourself the capacity to 
> be honest and real and true.'
> 
> 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or 
> wanting others to agree with us. That will cause us 
> to contract--maybe they won't like me. When we are 
> protecting ourselves, we are also withholding 
> freedom from everybody else.'

Well, first I would say that I don't see that this
quote is about "truth." It's about acting in a way
that could be considered "honest and real and true,"
from the author's point of view. 

That said, I can't disagree with the quote. As long
as one is trying to *change* another person, one is
actively denying that the other person could be 
acting honest and real and true, as seen from their 
own point of view. 

Whether another person agrees with you or not has
nothing to do with "truth," either. IMO it has to do 
with ego. Seeking agreement from others is a way to
puff up an already-corpulent ego. Demanding agree-
ment is that ego demonstrating that it has already  
reached the psychological counterpart of morbid 
obesity. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
(snip)
> Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a 
> MacDonald's, where the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a
> book and the Kindle opened to a passage about 'truth'. I
> wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend would
> have as a take this:
> 
> 'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody
> gets to be as they are. Only when you have given them that
> freedom, the freedom they already posses--do you find within
> yourself the capacity to be honest and real and true.'
> 
> 'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting
> others to agree with us. That will cause us to contract--
> maybe they won't like me. When we are protecting ourselves,
> we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'

Not only is all this a meaningless platitude, it's a *very*
poorly written meaningless platitude.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Lawson's passing comment about "context" earlier got me 
> > thinking about truth. Or Truth, if you prefer. Or, if 
> > you're even stronger in your preferences, The Truth.
> > 
> > In my travels along the somewhat twisty spiritual path, 
> > I have noticed that a LOT of people are fond of this 
> > word "truth." They speak of seeking it, of valuing it 
> > above all else, of its importance to those on a 
> > spiritual path. Some speak of "knowing" it, and speak 
> > as if they reveal it in every word.
> > 
> > And yet, many of these *same* people seem to have No 
> > Problem holding two completely contradictory truths in 
> > their heads at the same time, and considering *each* of 
> > them Truth.
> >
authfriend:
> I don't think this happens often here, at least not as
> you describe it above. I think what happens is that you
> are constantly on the lookout for ways to put down the
> TMers here, and as a result you seize on variations in
> what people say as if they intended each of the
> variations to be Timeless Cosmic Truth, just so you can
> beat them over the head by claiming they believe things
> that are completely contradictory--no matter how
> reasonable it may be to take different contexts into
> account.
> 
> Your goal is very rarely understanding; it's almost
> always to dump on TMers or others you don't like. (And
> ironically, the dumping often requires you to engage in
> genuine self-contradiction yourself.)
> 
Sort of like Barry being on a 'spiritual' while claiming 
to not believe in 'spirits'; or Barry claiming to not 
believe in 'god', but professing to believe in  'soul'
that reincarnates; or that Rama could in truth levitate, 
when everyone on the planet thinks that's human flying 
is impossible.

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 06/16/2013 09:43 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >> On 06/16/2013 05:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >>> Working Full-Time & On Food Stamps !
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OTiEYJvM
> >>>
> >>> "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
> >>> - His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Capitalism is not just destroying America, it is destroying the world.
> >> Allow people to become as wealthy as they want is NOT a good idea.  It
> >> creates a great inequity which is shown in that video. Practically put
> >> those less than 1% who own most of the wealth are no better than bank
> >> robbers.  In fact they are mentally ill and should be in an institution
> >> for treatment and not a mansion.  They are psychopaths who prey upon the
> >> majority as fools.  They are vampires sucking the wealth away from the
> >> people.  They deserve to have a "stake" run through their black hearts.
> >>
> >> One of the people I hang out with at Starbucks worked on computer
> >> research for climate change at Livermore Labs.  He has taught computer
> >> classes in high schools and tech institutes.  He knows his stuff but
> >> this guy has had to take social security early because his retirement
> >> funds were destroyed and no one wants to hire him because he's "too
> >> old".  He is only a few months older than me.
> >>
> >> What you see in that video is only the tip of the iceberg.  American
> >> media does not like to advertise how bad things have become in this
> >> country.  The government tries to hide the true figures for unemployment
> >> or rejoices when there are more hirings.  Unfortunately most of those
> >> hiring can either be seasonal or even if they're not don't pay well.
> >>
> >> There was a time when the woman in the video making that kind of money
> >> could still have lived well.  The cost of living in the US has gone
> >> completely out of whack.  I made that kind of money in the 1970s yet
> >> could afford a new car (a Datsun wagon at $2000), rented a house for
> >> $120 (owner offered to sell it to me for $115 a month) and that house
> >> was NOT in a bad neighborhood.  I could afford to dine out, go to movies
> >> and even save some money.
> >>
> >> The equation is actually very complicated and should NEVER be looked at
> >> in an one dimensional way.  But this destruction of American life began
> >> about 30 years ago.  And one of the reason I decided the TM movement was
> >> no longer for me was when they championed Reagan's election.
> >
> > At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic Jimmi Carter, the 
> > sorry figure that sent asassins to Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.
> >
> >
> 
> Reagan was a fascist.  Carter was a socialist.  At least Carter wanted 
> to sit down and have a conversation with Americans about it's economic 
> and energy problems.  Reagan set it up so the rich could plunder the 
> country's riches.
> 


His mother was an ambassador 
> to India and probably knew how yoga was supposed to taught.  

Right :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

The answers are several;

A - I have no idea

B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay attention to his 
stuff

C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the question 
of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do presentations at the Domes? 
Should people who have been to see Benjy and listened to his bullshit about 
Maitreya be allowed to come into the Domes since you think the Aryan Purity 
Policy is such a good Dome idea?





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
> during its transition to the superconducting state.
> 
> that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive 
> the favor of various Goddesses 

Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question 
put to you by  Steve : 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of "channeling" do you have under your belt?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>>
>> Lawson's passing comment about "context" earlier got me thinking
>> about truth. Or Truth, if you prefer. Or, if you're even
>> stronger in your preferences, The Truth.
>> 
>> In my travels along the somewhat twisty spiritual path, I have
>> noticed that a LOT of people are fond of this word "truth."
>> They speak of seeking it, of valuing it above all else, of its 
>> importance to those on a spiritual path. Some speak of "knowing"
>> it, and speak as if they reveal it in every word.
>> 
>> And yet, many of these *same* people seem to have No Problem
>> holding two completely contradictory truths in their heads at
>> the same time, and considering *each* of them Truth.
> 
> I don't think this happens often here, at least not as
> you describe it above. I think what happens is that you
> are constantly on the lookout for ways to put down the
> TMers here, and as a result you seize on variations in
> what people say as if they intended each of the
> variations to be Timeless Cosmic Truth, just so you can
> beat them over the head by claiming they believe things
> that are completely contradictory--no matter how
> reasonable it may be to take different contexts into
> account.
> 
> Your goal is very rarely understanding; it's almost
> always to dump on TMers or others you don't like. (And
> ironically, the dumping often requires you to engage in
> genuine self-contradiction yourself.)
> 
>> Maharishi was both a householder and a monk. Depending on "context."
>> Both of them are "truth," seen from that context. Depending on how much
>> you consider Maharishi enlightened -- and we've all been told that the
>> enlightened cannot *help* but speak the truth -- both could be seen as
>> Truth from that context.
>> 
>> It makes me wonder whether what all these seekers are seeking as
>> "truth," and often speaking about as if it were The Truth is in reality
>> relative truth. Things are "true" or the "truth" only in context, as
>> *they* see them -- or claim to see them -- in that moment. Truth
>> *changes*, depending on context.
>> 
>> How is that so different from the way those of us who do not even
>> believe in the *concept* of truth live our lives?
>
Today, I was sitting, not in a nice Parisian café, but in a MacDonald's, where 
the Wi-Fi was not working. So I opened a book and the Kindle opened to a 
passage about 'truth'. I wonder what the two of you, turquoiseb and authfriend 
would have as a take this:

'The idea of freedom is very important, however. Everybody gets to be as they 
are. Only when you have given them that freedom, the freedom they already 
posses--do you find within yourself the capacity to be honest and real and 
true.'

'We cannot be true as long as we are expecting or wanting others to agree with 
us. That will cause us to contract--maybe they won't like me. When we are 
protecting ourselves, we are also withholding freedom from everybody else.'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/16/2013 09:43 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 06/16/2013 05:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>>> Working Full-Time & On Food Stamps !
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OTiEYJvM
>>>
>>> "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
>>> - His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>>>
>>>
>> Capitalism is not just destroying America, it is destroying the world.
>> Allow people to become as wealthy as they want is NOT a good idea.  It
>> creates a great inequity which is shown in that video. Practically put
>> those less than 1% who own most of the wealth are no better than bank
>> robbers.  In fact they are mentally ill and should be in an institution
>> for treatment and not a mansion.  They are psychopaths who prey upon the
>> majority as fools.  They are vampires sucking the wealth away from the
>> people.  They deserve to have a "stake" run through their black hearts.
>>
>> One of the people I hang out with at Starbucks worked on computer
>> research for climate change at Livermore Labs.  He has taught computer
>> classes in high schools and tech institutes.  He knows his stuff but
>> this guy has had to take social security early because his retirement
>> funds were destroyed and no one wants to hire him because he's "too
>> old".  He is only a few months older than me.
>>
>> What you see in that video is only the tip of the iceberg.  American
>> media does not like to advertise how bad things have become in this
>> country.  The government tries to hide the true figures for unemployment
>> or rejoices when there are more hirings.  Unfortunately most of those
>> hiring can either be seasonal or even if they're not don't pay well.
>>
>> There was a time when the woman in the video making that kind of money
>> could still have lived well.  The cost of living in the US has gone
>> completely out of whack.  I made that kind of money in the 1970s yet
>> could afford a new car (a Datsun wagon at $2000), rented a house for
>> $120 (owner offered to sell it to me for $115 a month) and that house
>> was NOT in a bad neighborhood.  I could afford to dine out, go to movies
>> and even save some money.
>>
>> The equation is actually very complicated and should NEVER be looked at
>> in an one dimensional way.  But this destruction of American life began
>> about 30 years ago.  And one of the reason I decided the TM movement was
>> no longer for me was when they championed Reagan's election.
>
> At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic Jimmi Carter, the 
> sorry figure that sent asassins to Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.
>
>

Reagan was a fascist.  Carter was a socialist.  At least Carter wanted 
to sit down and have a conversation with Americans about it's economic 
and energy problems.  Reagan set it up so the rich could plunder the 
country's riches.

Carter may have been wise to the TM scam.  His mother was an ambassador 
to India and probably knew how yoga was supposed to taught.  I'm not 
sure how much of a religious fanatic Carter was but many of his 
Christian supporters I knew were liberals not conservatives.  There was 
quite a movement of liberal Christians in the US at the time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
> > > elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> > > from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> > > method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> > > unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> > > lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
> > 
> > (Carlsen.)
> > 
> > Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
> > Robin's "deal," you probably shouldn't use him as an
> > example.
> > 
> > Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
> > important thing to know in this context is that according
> > to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
> > Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
> > with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
> > and a big public mess was the result.
> > 
> > Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
> > Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
> > was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
> > group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
> > 
> > Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
> > the "lesser and possibly harmful crap" Maharishi wanted
> > to "protect" TMers from.
> >
> I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry
> and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered
> to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from
> others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have 
> heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the
> story.

Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us
know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that
Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you
can straighten it out with him.

And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while
Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM
initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it
appears Maharishi didn't think any "protection" was
required.

> It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very
> time.  People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go
> and see or follow Robin.  (Whether it is good to be OTP is a
> whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not
> considered at all to be devoted to MMY.

That may be, but those doing the considering were simply
uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after
Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan
instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town,
Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple
of years (not sure of the exact time frame).

What's so ironic about your stance is that Robin came
to MIU with the *very same beef* you and others have with
its unreasonable rigidity and blacklisting and 
gatekeeping. He felt MIU was stifling and even distorting
Maharishi's teaching. There's a case to be made that
Robin was way ahead of the game, having recognized
earlier than most others that MIU was shooting itself in
the foot.

(In fact, one might even make a case that Maharishi
thought the powers-that-be at MIU needed to be shaken up
and that Robin was just the person to do it--which could
be why Maharishi told Bevan to leave Robin alone.)

There are several pieces in the Files section that confirm
what Robin had in mind. Here's a quote from one of them,
the text of an ad Robin placed in the Fairfield Ledger
(it's in the Miscellaneous Writings folder):

"...For the sake of the immaculate wisdom that does flow from the transcendent, 
and from the heart of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, we challenge faculty members at 
MIU to a public debate on the following topic: 'Be it resolved that Maharishi 
International University has begun to define the Science of Creative 
Intelligence--and to live out the Science of Creative Intelligence--in a form 
which violates the sacred springs of meaning and feeling of Western 
civilization, and which furthermore threatens to bring about the eventual 
demise of the Science of Creative Intelligence.'"

*Of course* the Big Deals at MIU would have done their best
to spread the word that Robin was anathema. *Of course*
they would have pronounced it OTP for TMers to go hear what
he had to say. *Of course* they would have portrayed him as
a threat to the purity of the teaching.

And you believed them--without ever doing any investigating
on your own.

In reality, Robin was a threat *to them*--to their fiefdom,
to their authority.

> In the end, it turned out that Robin's group was pretty 
> dysfunctional, at least in how they related to him.

Yes, in the end, no question about that. Robin went off
the rails in the final year or so of his group's existence.
Maybe Ann could say more about this. But that was well
after Robin's stint at MIU.

> So, I sta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[Mike Dixon]

What? No Brother Theodore?

From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

  
--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
>
> At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic 
> Jimmi Carter, the sorry figure that sent asassins to 
> Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.

Nabby's never gotten over the fact that Maharishi
was not included in Merv Griffin' list of the
"Most Interesting People of Our Time" and both
Jimmy Carter and the voice of Donald Duck were. :-)

1) Ingrid Bergman
2) Richard Burton
3) Tom Cruise
4) John Wayne
5) Sophia Loren
6) Orson Welles
7) David Niven
8) Grace Kelly
9) Joan Collins
10) Sammy Davis Jr.
11) Janet Leigh
12) Lee Marvin
13) Jane Fonda
14) Tom Hanks
15) Arnold Schwarzenegger
16) Roy Rogers
17) Michael Caine
18) Christopher Reeve
19) Denzel Washington
20) Jack Benny
21) George Carlin
22) Jerry Seinfeld
23) Jackie Mason
24) Phyllis Diller
25) Don Rickles
26) George Burns
27) Richard Pryor
28) Jay Leno
29) Carl Reiner
30) Totie Fields
31) Monti Rock III
32) Billy Crystal
33) Danny DeVito
34) Tony Danza
35) Clarence Nash (Voice of Donald Duck)
36) Barbara Walters
37) Walter Cronkite
38) Rose F. Kennedy
39) Robert F. Kennedy
40) Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 
41) Harry Belafonte
42) Gerald Ford
43) Ronald Reagan
44) Jimmy Carter
45) Richard Nixon

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

How 'bout I channel Maitreya for you Nabby? Would you be my friend then?





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
> during its transition to the superconducting state.
> 
> that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive 
> the favor of various Goddesses 

Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question 
put to you by  Steve : 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of "channeling" do you have under your belt?


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[Michael Jackson]

Assassins to Seelisberg??? WTF are you talking about?





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 06/16/2013 05:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > Working Full-Time & On Food Stamps !
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OTiEYJvM
> >
> > "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
> > - His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> >
> >
> 
> Capitalism is not just destroying America, it is destroying the world. 
> Allow people to become as wealthy as they want is NOT a good idea.  It 
> creates a great inequity which is shown in that video. Practically put 
> those less than 1% who own most of the wealth are no better than bank 
> robbers.  In fact they are mentally ill and should be in an institution 
> for treatment and not a mansion.  They are psychopaths who prey upon the 
> majority as fools.  They are vampires sucking the wealth away from the 
> people.  They deserve to have a "stake" run through their black hearts.
> 
> One of the people I hang out with at Starbucks worked on computer 
> research for climate change at Livermore Labs.  He has taught computer 
> classes in high schools and tech institutes.  He knows his stuff but 
> this guy has had to take social security early because his retirement 
> funds were destroyed and no one wants to hire him because he's "too 
> old".  He is only a few months older than me.
> 
> What you see in that video is only the tip of the iceberg.  American 
> media does not like to advertise how bad things have become in this 
> country.  The government tries to hide the true figures for unemployment 
> or rejoices when there are more hirings.  Unfortunately most of those 
> hiring can either be seasonal or even if they're not don't pay well.
> 
> There was a time when the woman in the video making that kind of money 
> could still have lived well.  The cost of living in the US has gone 
> completely out of whack.  I made that kind of money in the 1970s yet 
> could afford a new car (a Datsun wagon at $2000), rented a house for 
> $120 (owner offered to sell it to me for $115 a month) and that house 
> was NOT in a bad neighborhood.  I could afford to dine out, go to movies 
> and even save some money.
> 
> The equation is actually very complicated and should NEVER be looked at 
> in an one dimensional way.  But this destruction of American life began 
> about 30 years ago.  And one of the reason I decided the TM movement was 
> no longer for me was when they championed Reagan's election.

At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic Jimmi Carter, the sorry 
figure that sent asassins to Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar

[Share Long]

John wrote: it is during spring time that the Sun has a sexual orgy with Mother 
Earth to sow the seeds of life.

share replies: then Happy Father's Day dear Sun (-:

In another post John wrote: But my pet theory is that this is due to the 
universe being a hologram. 
 IOW, we as humans are a representation of the universe as a whole.  
And, our body cells are the representation of us.

share replies: my guess is it's more like the Russian dolls nested into one 
another. Meaning, there's a one to one correspondence rather than us humans 
being a representation of the universe and our cells being a representation of 
us.



 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
 


  
Share,

One can say that each one of us is unique since we were born at a specific time 
and place on earth and in relation with the planetary configuration of the 
planets in the solar system.

KN Rao once said that Brahma creates a new model of human beings every year.  
In astrological terms, the new season starts on the vernal equinox in which 
literally and figuratively the seeds of life are sown.  In mythological terms, 
it is during spring time that the Sun has a sexual orgy with Mother Earth to 
sow the seeds of life.

We can also surmise that the quality of life and human beings vary depending on 
the various yugas, which can be ascertained by the precession of Pole Star.

So, Patanjali's sutra relating to Dhruva is more complicated than we can 
imagine.

JR

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Very cool stuff, John. I love watching the pole star move. Something else 
> I've heard with relation to 25,000 is that our individual planetary 
> configuration only occurs every 25,000 years. I began watching Santos on the 
> body as temple but haven't finished yet. Not sure about that Sodom and 
> Gomorrah part!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:05 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Share,
> 
> Please, take a look at the video at the start of this thread.  It explains 
> how Sri Yukteswar cognized the precession of the Pole Star, which has a cycle 
> of about 25,000 years.
> 
> He used this cycle as the basis for the cycle of the various yugas.  As such, 
> he divided the various yugas at different time intervals.  The Satya Yuga is 
> allocated the longest number of years and Kali Yuga with the shortest.
> 
> Since the Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD, we can derive that the vernal equinoxes 
> occurred during the sign of Pisces for this yuga.  At this time, our vernal 
> equinoxes is occurring at about 7 degrees Pisces.  Based on this sign, we can 
> deduce the sign of Satya Yuga to be on the opposite side of Pisces which is 
> the sign of Virgo.
> 
> Therefore, it will take about 12,500 years (half of the 25,000 year cycle for 
> the precession) for the vernal equinoxes to precess from Pisces to Virgo (on 
> a counter-clockwise motion).
> 
> This is a very fascinating subject.  For more details, you should watch the 
> videos by Santos Bonacci (Astro Theology series) on YouTube for a detailed 
> explanation of the relationship between the vernal equinoxes and the zodiac 
> signs.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> JR
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > John I think copper is ruled by Venus. Maybe that's why there are so many 
> > Libra ascendents. Meanwhile, Sat Yuga and Virgo?! Which is ruled by 
> > Mercury?! That doesn't seem right to me. I think of Guru as the sattvic 
> > planet.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: John 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:20 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yugas of Sri Yukteswar
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > He stated that the earth's precession is due to the Sun's orbit with 
> > > > > a binary star, Sirius.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This precession is the basis for the various yugas or ages of human 
> > > > > history.  He said that Kali Yuga ended in 1700 AD.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtJ-yzqT24
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Makes much more sense; C Lutes used to say additionally it forms an 
> > > > upward spiral, hence evolution! If you fall behind, you're left behind 
> > > > until the next great cycle. He called humanity a parade of sorts some 
> > > > are at the front of the parade and some behind, as are the different 
> > > > races. Ultimately all come to the same end.
> > > > 
> > > > I.e. each spiral is a little higher than the last giving an

[FairfieldLife] Patanjali's Sutra Relating to the Navel Chakra

[John]

Aside from suggesting the knowledge of the various chakras, it can be assumed 
that the navel chakra refers to the birth chart which systematically shows the 
organization of the human body.  Specifically, the first house refers to the 
head and the 12th house refers to the feet.

The birth chart can also refer to the brain of the human being.  The first six 
houses refer to the right side of the brain.  And, the last six house refer to 
the left side of the brain.

http://www.india-astrologer.com/vedic_astrology/Medical-Astrology/aries.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for sharing this!  Wonderful!
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, Obba. Glad you enjoyed it. Stella never lost her groove. 
> > > > Jamaica jerk keeps her lips hot. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Fantastic!  
> > > I am sharing your video with a couple of friends who dive. :)
> > 
> > Fish move by in a flash. The trick to getting a good look at them is to 
> > edit some of the video clips in slow motion, repeat clips or take snapshots 
> > of the action. Windows Live Movie Maker is an easy to use video editor that 
> > let's you take snapshots. I get music from Melodyloops online. Thanks for 
> > sending a video link to your friends. If they make a movie and put it on 
> > YouTube, let me know, I'd love to see it.
> >
> > > 
> 
> Did Juliette do the editing? with your help?
>  

She shoots the video and I do the editing. She has final approval before I 
convert the edited version into a movie file. She's way too active to sit in 
front of a computer spending an hour or two editing. In Jamaica she's free as a 
bird having a good time, busy making friends with a steady stream of kids that 
come and go everyday. 
 
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand 
> > > > > > new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went 
> > > > > > parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making 
> > > > > > underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: "Jacque 
> > > > > > Cousteau" which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater 
> > > > > > sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with 
> > > > > > excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as 
> > > > > > pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I 
> > > > > > edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt.
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:

> 
> 
> NASA STS-80  UFO Formation Over Africa .
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP2Nk1WwZmA
> 
>  
> > Looks like condensation on the inside of the shuttle window
> > to me, certainly moves like water.
> 
> 
> Moving water and condensation inside the shuttle ?? Well that's something 
> NASA should look into immediately ! :-)

Or maybe they should look into the hundred mile wide UFOs over
Africa or the ten thousand mile wide UFOs hovering over the sun?
None of which ever made the monthly press release even though
they released the videos. Go figure.

> You seem really, really desperate for an explanation that fits into your 
> limited view of the world.

That I am Nabby, that I am.

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[turquoiseb]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for sharing this!  Wonderful!
> > > 
> > > Thanks, Obba. Glad you enjoyed it. Stella never lost her groove. Jamaica 
> > > jerk keeps her lips hot. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Fantastic!  
> > I am sharing your video with a couple of friends who dive. :)
> 
> Fish move by in a flash. The trick to getting a good look at them is to edit 
> some of the video clips in slow motion, repeat clips or take snapshots of the 
> action. Windows Live Movie Maker is an easy to use video editor that let's 
> you take snapshots. I get music from Melodyloops online. Thanks for sending a 
> video link to your friends. If they make a movie and put it on YouTube, let 
> me know, I'd love to see it.
>
> > 

Did Juliette do the editing? with your help?
 

> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand 
> > > > > new adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went 
> > > > > parasailing for the first time. This year she's into making 
> > > > > underwater videos. Her surprise gift came with a clue: "Jacque 
> > > > > Cousteau" which she Googled. With a hint that he filmed underwater 
> > > > > sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and burst with excitement. 
> > > > > The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, 
> > > > > perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited it for 
> > > > > her, not too bad for a first attempt.
> > > > > http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[doctordumbass]

I don't think Merv Griffin would have made Maharishi's list, either.

Who are Totie Fields, and Monti Rock III?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic 
> > Jimmi Carter, the sorry figure that sent asassins to 
> > Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.
> 
> Nabby's never gotten over the fact that Maharishi
> was not included in Merv Griffin' list of the
> "Most Interesting People of Our Time" and both
> Jimmy Carter and the voice of Donald Duck were.  :-)
> 
> 1) Ingrid Bergman
> 2) Richard Burton
> 3) Tom Cruise
> 4) John Wayne
> 5) Sophia Loren
> 6) Orson Welles
> 7) David Niven
> 8) Grace Kelly
> 9) Joan Collins
> 10) Sammy Davis Jr.
> 11) Janet Leigh
> 12) Lee Marvin
> 13) Jane Fonda
> 14) Tom Hanks
> 15) Arnold Schwarzenegger
> 16) Roy Rogers
> 17) Michael Caine
> 18) Christopher Reeve
> 19) Denzel Washington
> 20) Jack Benny
> 21) George Carlin
> 22) Jerry Seinfeld
> 23) Jackie Mason
> 24) Phyllis Diller
> 25) Don Rickles
> 26) George Burns
> 27) Richard Pryor
> 28) Jay Leno
> 29) Carl Reiner
> 30) Totie Fields
> 31) Monti Rock III
> 32) Billy Crystal
> 33) Danny DeVito
> 34) Tony Danza
> 35) Clarence Nash (Voice of Donald Duck)
> 36) Barbara Walters
> 37) Walter Cronkite
> 38) Rose F. Kennedy
> 39) Robert F. Kennedy
> 40) Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 
> 41) Harry Belafonte
> 42) Gerald Ford
> 43) Ronald Reagan
> 44) Jimmy Carter
> 45) Richard Nixon
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> (snip)
> > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
> > elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> > from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> > method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> > unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> > lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
> 
> (Carlsen.)
> 
> Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
> Robin's "deal," you probably shouldn't use him as an
> example.
> 
> Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
> important thing to know in this context is that according
> to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
> Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
> with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
> and a big public mess was the result.
> 
> Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
> Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
> was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
> group were TM initiators) but never interfered.
> 
> Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
> the "lesser and possibly harmful crap" Maharishi wanted
> to "protect" TMers from.
>
I disagree.  I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry and while I never 
went to hear him (and would not have bothered to being at the time a fairly 
loyal Tm teacher) I heard from others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. 
Whatever we have heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the 
story.  It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very time.  
People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go and see or follow Robin.  
(Whether it is good to be OTP is a whole other discussion). Robin and his group 
were not considered at all to be devoted to MMY.  In the end, it turned out 
that Robin's group was pretty dysfunctional, at least in how they related to 
him.  So, I stand by my opinion, that Robin's group was a good example of 
something other than TM that was not a healthy experience, at least for most 
people.  People have a right to choose to be involved in anything, but let's 
not sugar coat that particular example.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic 
> Jimmi Carter, the sorry figure that sent asassins to 
> Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.

Nabby's never gotten over the fact that Maharishi
was not included in Merv Griffin' list of the
"Most Interesting People of Our Time" and both
Jimmy Carter and the voice of Donald Duck were.  :-)

1) Ingrid Bergman
2) Richard Burton
3) Tom Cruise
4) John Wayne
5) Sophia Loren
6) Orson Welles
7) David Niven
8) Grace Kelly
9) Joan Collins
10) Sammy Davis Jr.
11) Janet Leigh
12) Lee Marvin
13) Jane Fonda
14) Tom Hanks
15) Arnold Schwarzenegger
16) Roy Rogers
17) Michael Caine
18) Christopher Reeve
19) Denzel Washington
20) Jack Benny
21) George Carlin
22) Jerry Seinfeld
23) Jackie Mason
24) Phyllis Diller
25) Don Rickles
26) George Burns
27) Richard Pryor
28) Jay Leno
29) Carl Reiner
30) Totie Fields
31) Monti Rock III
32) Billy Crystal
33) Danny DeVito
34) Tony Danza
35) Clarence Nash (Voice of Donald Duck)
36) Barbara Walters
37) Walter Cronkite
38) Rose F. Kennedy
39) Robert F. Kennedy
40) Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 
41) Harry Belafonte
42) Gerald Ford
43) Ronald Reagan
44) Jimmy Carter
45) Richard Nixon

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Shiny Day In Paris

[Bhairitu]

On 06/16/2013 03:42 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Not so much "shiny" in terms of sunshine (although it is very sunny and
> warm today), but in the sense in which the exclamation "Shiny" is used
> in the Firefly / Serenity 'verse. In that...uh...context, someone saying
> "Shiny" equates to them saying "Cool," or "Groovy," or "Awesome," or
> "That just rocks!" or whatever it is people say these days.
>
> The ultimate pronunciation of and invocation of the mantra "Shiny"
> comes, of course, from its usage in Firefly by the character Kaylee. As
> played by Jewel Staite, Kaylee is a complex character -- part naive
> young twif who had never been 'off planet' before joining this band of
> outlaws, part genius starship mechanic who keeps Serenity flying, part
> lusty young wench who laments about how long its been "since I've had
> anything twixt my nethers that didn't run on batteries."
>
> So when Kaylee looks adoringly at Mal and reacts to him proposing a
> scheme that *isn't* likely to leave him and the crew dead for a change
> and says, "Shiny, Captain," it takes on a charm that sticks in the mind.
> Or at least it did in mine.
>
> Today is a very Shiny day for me in Paris. I got to conduct an
> experiment I've been wanting to do for some time -- wander around Paris
> on a sunny day wearing my Serenity T-shirt -- and see if anyone notices
> or recognizes the logo and has feelings for the starship it emblazons
> and the crew who lived on it.
>
> In the US, this T-shirt has never failed to generate chance meetings,
> exchanged smiles, and often great conversations. Here in France, where
> Firefly never played on TV, and the followup film Serenity is mainly
> known only by film cultists and scifi freaks and Joss Whedon groupies,
> such chance meetings are understandably fewer and farther between. In
> the South of France, I was lucky to run into one person all day who
> recognized the logo, knew what it meant, and smiled.
>
> So far today, I've gotten many smiles, half a dozen passing comments of
> "Shiny!," and three great conversations with fellow Firefly freaks.
> Color me easy to entertain, but that constitutes Shiny in my book, and
> has certainly put a smile on the face above the Serenity logo.

New season of "True Blood" begins tonight.  This time without Alan 
Ball.  I may be canceling HBO next month because Comcast will want more 
money.  But that call might wind up being a comedy episode in itself.  
They may offer HBO for $10 a month and throw in the second tier of 
channels.  IOW, the reverse of what I got last year which was the second 
tier for $10 a month and HBO free.  But I am getting tired of making the 
Roberts family rich.

I do have to say this last episode of HBO's "Vice" was excellent. It was 
shot in North Korea and quite an education.  Seems the North Koreans put 
on quite a show for the crew who brought some Harlem Globetrotters with 
them.  The game they put on was the one attended by Dennis Rodman and 
the NK leader.  Somehow I am wondering if this young leader is getting 
tired of playing god and dealing with a poor country which by the way 
does have a lot of elaborate architecture and some very bright people.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 06/16/2013 05:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > Working Full-Time & On Food Stamps !
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OTiEYJvM
> >
> > "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
> > - His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> >
> >
> 
> Capitalism is not just destroying America, it is destroying the world.  
> Allow people to become as wealthy as they want is NOT a good idea.  It 
> creates a great inequity which is shown in that video. Practically put 
> those less than 1% who own most of the wealth are no better than bank 
> robbers.  In fact they are mentally ill and should be in an institution 
> for treatment and not a mansion.  They are psychopaths who prey upon the 
> majority as fools.  They are vampires sucking the wealth away from the 
> people.  They deserve to have a "stake" run through their black hearts.
> 
> One of the people I hang out with at Starbucks worked on computer 
> research for climate change at Livermore Labs.  He has taught computer 
> classes in high schools and tech institutes.  He knows his stuff but 
> this guy has had to take social security early because his retirement 
> funds were destroyed and no one wants to hire him because he's "too 
> old".  He is only a few months older than me.
> 
> What you see in that video is only the tip of the iceberg.  American 
> media does not like to advertise how bad things have become in this 
> country.  The government tries to hide the true figures for unemployment 
> or rejoices when there are more hirings.  Unfortunately most of those 
> hiring can either be seasonal or even if they're not don't pay well.
> 
> There was a time when the woman in the video making that kind of money 
> could still have lived well.  The cost of living in the US has gone 
> completely out of whack.  I made that kind of money in the 1970s yet 
> could afford a new car (a Datsun wagon at $2000), rented a house for 
> $120 (owner offered to sell it to me for $115 a month) and that house 
> was NOT in a bad neighborhood.  I could afford to dine out, go to movies 
> and even save some money.
> 
> The equation is actually very complicated and should NEVER be looked at 
> in an one dimensional way.  But this destruction of American life began 
> about 30 years ago.  And one of the reason I decided the TM movement was 
> no longer for me was when they championed Reagan's election.


At least supporting Reagan kept that religious fanatic Jimmi Carter, the sorry 
figure that sent asassins to Seelisberg, out of the Oval Office.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Timing the upcoming major stock market crash?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/15/2013 07:12 PM, Ann wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>>
>> Any day soon I might try to time the upcoming
>> major stock market crash à la 1929, on the
>> basis of that Uranus/Pluto square in (tropical) cardinal
>> signs!
>>
>> Then again, I mightn't... LoL!
>>
>> But it almost certainly takes place between now and
>> 2016!
> Yes and so will countless other events. People seem to love the idea of 
> catastrophe, economic meltdown, political upheaval, world paradigms and drama 
> in general.

One doesn't need astrology to see the economic catastrophe coming. Just 
follow the pattern of events see the logical extension due to their 
effects.  But of course that requires paying attention and knowing 
something about economics.

The crash SHOULD have occurred in 2008 but a bandage was slapped on the 
problem but the wound has still festered.  The "bandage" was done so the 
rich had time to move out of the way because in 2008 they would have 
gone broke but the public would have be FAR LESS effected.

The next bandage may be far more drastic: a global war.The maniacs 
in charge see that as a "reset button."  We need to reset their button.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is capitalism destroying the America ?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/16/2013 05:02 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> Working Full-Time & On Food Stamps !
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb8OTiEYJvM
>
> "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
> - His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>
>

Capitalism is not just destroying America, it is destroying the world.  
Allow people to become as wealthy as they want is NOT a good idea.  It 
creates a great inequity which is shown in that video. Practically put 
those less than 1% who own most of the wealth are no better than bank 
robbers.  In fact they are mentally ill and should be in an institution 
for treatment and not a mansion.  They are psychopaths who prey upon the 
majority as fools.  They are vampires sucking the wealth away from the 
people.  They deserve to have a "stake" run through their black hearts.

One of the people I hang out with at Starbucks worked on computer 
research for climate change at Livermore Labs.  He has taught computer 
classes in high schools and tech institutes.  He knows his stuff but 
this guy has had to take social security early because his retirement 
funds were destroyed and no one wants to hire him because he's "too 
old".  He is only a few months older than me.

What you see in that video is only the tip of the iceberg.  American 
media does not like to advertise how bad things have become in this 
country.  The government tries to hide the true figures for unemployment 
or rejoices when there are more hirings.  Unfortunately most of those 
hiring can either be seasonal or even if they're not don't pay well.

There was a time when the woman in the video making that kind of money 
could still have lived well.  The cost of living in the US has gone 
completely out of whack.  I made that kind of money in the 1970s yet 
could afford a new car (a Datsun wagon at $2000), rented a house for 
$120 (owner offered to sell it to me for $115 a month) and that house 
was NOT in a bad neighborhood.  I could afford to dine out, go to movies 
and even save some money.

The equation is actually very complicated and should NEVER be looked at 
in an one dimensional way.  But this destruction of American life began 
about 30 years ago.  And one of the reason I decided the TM movement was 
no longer for me was when they championed Reagan's election.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
> during its transition to the superconducting state.
> 
> that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive 
> the favor of various Goddesses 


Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question 
put to you by  Steve : 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of "channeling" do you have under your belt?

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Lawson's passing comment about "context" earlier got me thinking
> about truth. Or Truth, if you prefer. Or, if you're even
> stronger in your preferences, The Truth.
> 
> In my travels along the somewhat twisty spiritual path, I have
> noticed that a LOT of people are fond of this word "truth."
> They speak of seeking it, of valuing it above all else, of its 
> importance to those on a spiritual path. Some speak of "knowing"
> it, and speak as if they reveal it in every word.
> 
> And yet, many of these *same* people seem to have No Problem
> holding two completely contradictory truths in their heads at
> the same time, and considering *each* of them Truth.

I don't think this happens often here, at least not as
you describe it above. I think what happens is that you
are constantly on the lookout for ways to put down the
TMers here, and as a result you seize on variations in
what people say as if they intended each of the
variations to be Timeless Cosmic Truth, just so you can
beat them over the head by claiming they believe things
that are completely contradictory--no matter how
reasonable it may be to take different contexts into
account.

Your goal is very rarely understanding; it's almost
always to dump on TMers or others you don't like. (And
ironically, the dumping often requires you to engage in
genuine self-contradiction yourself.)


 
> Maharishi was both a householder and a monk. Depending on "context."
> Both of them are "truth," seen from that context. Depending on how much
> you consider Maharishi enlightened -- and we've all been told that the
> enlightened cannot *help* but speak the truth -- both could be seen as
> Truth from that context.
> 
> It makes me wonder whether what all these seekers are seeking as
> "truth," and often speaking about as if it were The Truth is in reality
> relative truth. Things are "true" or the "truth" only in context, as
> *they* see them -- or claim to see them -- in that moment. Truth
> *changes*, depending on context.
> 
> How is that so different from the way those of us who do not even
> believe in the *concept* of truth live our lives?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7IxK2019bg

> > > 
> > > 
> > > Um Nabby, I watched the first minute of the vid and every UFO,
> > > about 10, was filmed in daylight. Shall keep watching though
> > > just in case some do appear at night and therefore be tricky
> > > to photograph.
> > 
> > 
> > The footage from Hawai is rather unique, but did I claim that all films of 
> > UFO's are taken at night ?
> 
> You do say "mostly" in the paragraph above, I've wtached the rest
> of the Hawaii vid now and I can safely say the UFO's there are
> daylight creatures through and through.

And ? 

 I think you should take
> youe Nikon down there and get some super Hi-res shots for us to
> examine. 

Maybe I will :-)

> 
> I hear the surfing is good too, which is probably what the aliens
> need after flying that close to the sun.
> 
> 
> > > Here's a question, is it the same UFO's flying near the sun
> > > that visit earth? 
> > 
> > No. Like you are pointing out, this particular spacecraft is huge - to say 
> > the least. 
> > 


NASA STS-80  UFO Formation Over Africa .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP2Nk1WwZmA

 
> Looks like condensation on the inside of the shuttle window
> to me, certainly moves like water.


Moving water and condensation inside the shuttle ?? Well that's something NASA 
should look into immediately ! :-)
You seem really, really desperate for an explanation that fits into your 
limited view of the world.


UFO formation (OVNI) over Guadalajara 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuq2u7P4j2A

> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> You have surrounded yourself with enough straw men, to
> make an entire army of scarecrows. All I can say, is,
> "CAW! CAW! CAW!".:-)

Ditto that. Barry really doesn't like having to deal
with context or nuance. If you say something *once*,
it's True for all time; you are not allowed to change
your mind or adapt what you say to different
circumstances.

Unless you're Barry, of course, who is entirely free
to contradict himself at any time. As I said not long
ago, the first of Barry's Rules is that they apply
only to other people, never to Barry himself. ;-)


 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the context of the response is different. The 
> > > questioner was interested in the householder vs recluse 
> > > issue, while in a question about marriage, MMY was 
> > > being asked for personal advice, which he generally 
> > > didn't like giving, from what I could tell.
> > 
> > Ah, thank you, Lawson. Another clue in the eternal
> > struggle to understand the mind of the True Believer.
> > 
> > For all their talk of "truth," TMers aren't really
> > *seeking* it. They're just seeking "easy answers"
> > that put their minds to sleep while they nod and
> > say, "Yup...that sure sounds right, Maharishi. 
> > Thanks for clarifying that for us...in this context."
> > 
> > Now I understand why TB nitpickers get so batshit
> > crazy when they feel that someone has taken something
> > they said "out of context." It's like "How DARE you
> > suggest that me acting like a harpy and hurling 
> > insults at someone is the SAME as them hurling insults
> > at me. It ISN'T. Not, not, not, not not! You *have*
> > to consider the CONTEXT. This other person was sug-
> > gesting that my statement wasn't RIGHT, and not the 
> > very definition of 'truth,' and not a *fact* that 
> > everyone should hear and *have* to believe. So they're 
> > WRONG and I'm RIGHT. THAT is the all-important *context* 
> > in which this has to be seen. My statement is correct 
> > and *must* be seen as the authoritarian thought-stopper 
> > it was, whereas the other person's statement was wrong, 
> > and thus *deserved* my insults." :-)
> > 
> > I'm just having fun with you being comfortable with
> > Maharishi having declared himself *both* a householder
> > *and* a monk, Lawson. It's a perfect example of the 
> > bipolar, immune-to-cognitive-dissonance reasoning of
> > the True Believer. "Of *course* Maharishi was *both*
> > a householder and a monk...it all depends on the
> > *context*, which is a synonym for 'what *I* wanted
> > to believe' in each situation."  :-)
> > 
> > Similarly you are probably comfortable with other
> > examples of the creative uses of 'context' as a 
> > thought-stopper. "Of *course* the same TMSP program
> > that claims it causes 'invincibility' is so fragile
> > that it might be threatened by the presence in the
> > domes of a few people who have 'seen other teachers.'"
> > "Of *course* Maharishi was justified in denouncing
> > siddhis as literally 'the worst practice you could
> > ever consider for your spiritual development' in 1968
> > but then turn around and sell them for thousands of
> > dollars a pop a decade later." "Of *course* we can 
> > still refer to practicing them as 'flying' when no
> > one has ever flown." It's all about CONTEXT. 
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MMY was asked (I've seen the video) what his lifestyle was, and he 
> > > > > > looked very surprised as he slowly said that he was a householder.
> > > > 
> > > > bug I also heard him say, when asked questions about marriage, that he 
> > > > was not a householder and therefore could not comment.  I heard him say 
> > > > he was a monk.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's interesting, you don't happen to remember where "in the sea of 
> > > > > tapes" this might be ?
> > > > > It certainly gives meaning. A householder has responsibilities, 
> > > > > unlike a monk who is free. And since Maharishi has resposebility not 
> > > > > only for his own students, but according to Muktananda "the whole 
> > > > > world consciousness" the word "householder" in this case certainly 
> > > > > makes sense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
(snip)
> From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking 
> elsewhere:  First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).

(Carlsen.)

Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with
Robin's "deal," you probably shouldn't use him as an
example.

Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most
important thing to know in this context is that according
to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him,
Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU
with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction,
and a big public mess was the result.

Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to
Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he
was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his
group were TM initiators) but never interfered.

Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of
the "lesser and possibly harmful crap" Maharishi wanted
to "protect" TMers from.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for sharing this!  Wonderful!
> > 
> > Thanks, Obba. Glad you enjoyed it. Stella never lost her groove. Jamaica 
> > jerk keeps her lips hot. 
> > 
> 
> Fantastic!  
> I am sharing your video with a couple of friends who dive. :)

Fish move by in a flash. The trick to getting a good look at them is to edit 
some of the video clips in slow motion, repeat clips or take snapshots of the 
action. Windows Live Movie Maker is an easy to use video editor that let's you 
take snapshots. I get music from Melodyloops online. Thanks for sending a video 
link to your friends. If they make a movie and put it on YouTube, let me know, 
I'd love to see it.
   
> 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new 
> > > > adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing 
> > > > for the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her 
> > > > surprise gift came with a clue: "Jacque Cousteau" which she Googled. 
> > > > With a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an 
> > > > underwater camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 
> > > > Waterproof camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. 
> > > > She shot the video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first 
> > > > attempt.
> > > > http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[obbajeeba]

A true man to like this admission. A real Dad. A Mother Fucker.
A Father. :)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> I like thinking of myself as Mother Fucker.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> >
> > Happy Father's Day to all you Mother Fuckers.
> > Only a true biological father can be one.
> > What constitutes a real Dad?
> > A man who regards his children as his own, and cares for their well
> being, without allowing the suspicion (or truth) of the Mail man being
> the Mother Fucker of whose children he loves and cares for. :)
> >
> > No Nabby, dogs DO NOT COUNT! Neither do sheep!
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > to all the FFL dads including but not limited to: Steve, Doc,
> emptybill, MJ, Ravi, Rick the One Father of us all; and all step
> fathers, foster fathers, half fathers, fatherly uncles and friends and
> will be fathers; and any of you guys who have fathered innovative ideas
> or fabulous projects, big and small,  or astonishing works of art or
> wonderful events, etc.
> > >
> > > Hope you all have a sweet day (-:
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[Share Long]

Thanks, Buck, I forgot this one and it's wonderful. BTW, I don't remember if 
you're a Dad of people, but Happy Father's Day anyway, at least for the horses 
(-:





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.
 


  

>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > While we're at it, since both of you are talking 
> > > > about "dharma" as if it were a Done Deal, and you
> > > > understand what it is, what is it? Define "dharma" 
> > > > for us.
> > > >
> 
> Dharma?  Duty in life. 
> Look, the science now is quite evidently clear on the virtues of meditation 
> as it is in our spiritual experience when cultivated.   Successful human life 
> is a flow of public responsibility and spirituality in the human form.
> Hence it should become everyone's duty to come to meditation now and thus 
> dharma and duty are intertwined.  It is that simple.  To fall from dharma 
> obviously is sin.  A failure of duty, adharma.  This is manifestly natural 
> law.  It is that simple, 
> -Buck, a Conservative Meditator in the Dome 
>

"In this (Yoga) no effort is lost and no obstacle exists.  Even a little of 
this dharma delivers from great fear."

> 
> > Xenophaneros: 
> > > Dharma is what happens. Only what happens is what 
> > > actually happens in the universe. Nothing but this 
> > > happens. This is dharma. You do not have to do or 
> > > believe anything to be in your dharma. Try and stop 
> > > it...
> > > 
> > Dharma is a causal nexus, an infinitely complex network 
> > of conditions.
> > 
> > According to the oldest philosophy in India, all things 
> > happen for a reason; there are no chance events; and no 
> > events are spontaneously self-generated. 
> > 
> > Events happen due to causation, the natural law of 
> > action and reaction, where relative conditioned reflexes 
> > depend on prior events, i.e. this because of that, just 
> > like in billiards, where physics rules and gravity sucks.
> > 
> > There are NO exceptions to the law of causation, which 
> > is the causal nexus. There is no personal demi-urge, or 
> > ghost in the machine, who interferes in human affairs, 
> > dividing history in half, thus upsetting the laws of 
> > nature. Time is an illusion.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> No Nabby, dogs DO NOT COUNT! Neither do sheep!

With all due respect, dogs do SO count. Especially if
Nabby actually has an Irish Wolfhound.



I knew one of these gorgeous beasts when I lived in Toronto.
When running around in a confined space, he was by far
the clumsiest creature I had ever seen, stumbling over his
own feet, barely able to get around. But then his owner
would throw a ball, and the Wolfhound would take out
after it, and it was like a total transformation.

Running full speed -- as fast as some horses -- after prey
(even if the prey is just a rubber ball) reveals just SO much
about the genetic engineering that went into creating this
breed. They were born for speed. It's moving slowly that
gives them problems.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[seventhray27]

I like thinking of myself as Mother Fucker.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
>
>
> Happy Father's Day to all you Mother Fuckers.
> Only a true biological father can be one.
> What constitutes a real Dad?
> A man who regards his children as his own, and cares for their well
being, without allowing the suspicion (or truth) of the Mail man being
the Mother Fucker of whose children he loves and cares for. :)
>
> No Nabby, dogs DO NOT COUNT! Neither do sheep!
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
> >
> > to all the FFL dads including but not limited to: Steve, Doc,
emptybill, MJ, Ravi, Rick the One Father of us all; and all step
fathers, foster fathers, half fathers, fatherly uncles and friends and
will be fathers; and any of you guys who have fathered innovative ideas
or fabulous projects, big and small,  or astonishing works of art or
wonderful events, etc.
> >
> > Hope you all have a sweet day (-:
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for sharing this!  Wonderful!
> 
> Thanks, Obba. Glad you enjoyed it. Stella never lost her groove. Jamaica jerk 
> keeps her lips hot. 
> 

Fantastic!  
I am sharing your video with a couple of friends who dive. :)

> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new 
> > > adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for 
> > > the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her 
> > > surprise gift came with a clue: "Jacque Cousteau" which she Googled. With 
> > > a hint that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater 
> > > camera and burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof 
> > > camera is easy as pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the 
> > > video and I edited it for her, not too bad for a first attempt.
> > > http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[obbajeeba]

Happy Father's Day to all you Mother Fuckers.
Only a true biological father can be one. 
What constitutes a real Dad?
A man who regards his children as his own, and cares for their well being, 
without allowing the suspicion  (or truth) of the Mail man being the Mother 
Fucker of whose children he loves and cares for.  :)

No Nabby, dogs DO NOT COUNT! Neither do sheep! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> to all the FFL dads including but not limited to: Steve, Doc, emptybill, MJ, 
> Ravi, Rick the One Father of us all; and all step fathers, foster fathers, 
> half fathers, fatherly uncles and friends and will be fathers; and any of you 
> guys who have fathered innovative ideas or fabulous projects, big and small,  
> or astonishing works of art or wonderful events, etc. 
> 
> Hope you all have a sweet day (-: 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Philosophy Of Arseholeness

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Browsing in the high-falutin' section of
> > > > my local book shop today I came across this:
> > > > 
> > > > "Assholes: A Theory" by philosopher Aaron James
> > > > http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4884
> > > > 
> > > > Sounds like fun. (But alas it's cheaper online so my
> > > > local shop may loose out).
> > 
> > > Don't be a cheap A-hole and buy it from your local book
> > > store. I mean, surely you can afford to spend an extra
> > > $5-$10 to support the little independent.
> > 
> > Well I'm a poor, poor man Ann, but yes, I know. Guilt felt! 
> > Except this isn't a little independent, but a national chain
> > (http://www.waterstones.com/). They have the blood of little
> > independents on their hands! And also, they sell the book
> > online themselves cheaper than on the street (but not as
> > cheap as Amazon). Perhaps I would do right by buying from
> > the latter and giving the difference to my local cat charity,
> > or to David Lynch's thing?
> 
> Good compromise (but perhaps a dog or horse charity would be more to my 
> liking). And yes, if it was just the big Waterstones chain then don't worry 
> about it. I am more interested in the little ma and pa corner bookstore who 
> will be going the way of the dodo within the next few years. Being a small 
> independent tack store I feel their pain! I have a big Canadian tack store 
> chain/franchise five minutes down the road from my store so I am very 
> sensitive on this issue. The stated purpose of this said chain is to "drive 
> the independents out of business". Lovely. As if there isn't enough business 
> to go around (which there is in Victoria where I live) but the big, mean ugly 
> owner of the overall franchise just doesn't want to share. Luckily, there are 
> still informed consumers out there who like the idea of shopping "locally" 
> and supporting small, customer service based retailers.
> > 
> > The thing is though - I spent a happy hour browsing the 
> > books, and if I generalised my action ("if I and everyone
> > else did this...") then probably I would lose that option.
> > 
> > So you need not appeal to my self-respect so much as to 
> > my self-interest?
> 
> Ah, the age old story with us pathetic humans. "What's in it for me?"
> > 
> > By comparison Arjuna's dilemma looks like a walk in the
> > park. I only went in for a coffee.
> 
> I'd be happy to buy - if we ever meet.

No, please. It's on me. I insist!
 
> > > > (BTW what's the difference between an asshole and an
> > > > arsehole? Does one get published, and the other not? Or
> > > > are we, as so often, divided by our common language?)
> > > > 
> > > > From a review on Amazon:
> > > > 
> > > > "James classifies a-holes by type, including the boorish
> > > > a-hole (Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore), the smug a-hole
> > > > (Richard Dawkins, Larry Summers), the a-hole boss (Naomi
> > > > Campbell), the presidential a-hole (Hugo Chavez), the reckless
> > > > a-hole (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld), the self-aggrandizing
> > > > a-hole (Ralph Nader), the cable news a-hole (Neil Cavuto,
> > > > Keith Olbermann), and the delusional a-hole (Kanye West,
> > > > Wall Street bankers). James covers the spectrum from liberals
> > > > to conservatives in his search for a-holes and applies his
> > > > test with, I think, a nonpartisan outlook."
> > > > 
> > > > Also looking promising and about my tribe:
> > > > "How the Hippies Saved Physics: Science, Counterculture, and
> > > > the Quantum Revival"
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > NASA – Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's
> > > > > > corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube:
> > > > > > StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from
> > > > > > the planet Mars.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; 
> > > > > > Footage
> > > > > > from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > (SOHO)]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > NASA – Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called "UFO
> > > > > > Creates Massive Sun Flash", uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video
> > > > > > comments include: "Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into
> > > > > > view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object 
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > UFO is real – a clear and defined interaction between the object and
> > > > > > the sun." (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft
> > > > > > from Mars. The speculation that "a solar reaction is observed"
> > > > > > is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and 
> > > > > > calculating
> > > > > > a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and 
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > on Earth are just beginning to feel it.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs
> time, take a look at the actual video; 
> > > 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8
>  
> > > And while you're at it, try explaining how optical "reflection" can move 
> > > within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. 
> > > Good luck !
> > >
> > NASA explains the marks in the LASCO coronagraph images in two ways.
> > 
> > 1. Comic rays tear through the sensor and leave a streak.
> > 
> > 2. There are occasionally dust particles that float by and as the optics 
> > are focused on infinity they are out of focus. I do not know the exposures 
> > times for these images, but the camera is not operating at frame rates like 
> > for movies or TV. The system can transmit images 10 per hour, so that seems 
> > to be what the instrument is capable of.
> > 
> > The video on youtube besides being edited for effect, also show tinkering - 
> > the flashing of the 'spacecraft' - while the object flashes the noise in 
> > the supposed multiple frames does not change, so it is a doctored effect. 
> > The actual movement of the object between frames is probably authentic. It 
> > is probably out-of-focus dust. There are many optical elements in the LASCO 
> > coronagraph, and mulitple reflections of bright objects in the system can 
> > create this effect. The dark 'holes' in the object seem to be the effect of 
> > the occulting disk. Modern catadioptric telescope optics often have mirrors 
> > cemented in the center of one of the lenses - this makes for shorter 
> > lighter instruments, such as a catadioptirc telephoto camera lens for 
> > regular photography. With a coronagraph, the surface of the sun is blocked 
> > optically within the telescope tube but dust particles near the craft but 
> > out side the tube are fully illuminated by the sun so they appear very 
> > bright, and out of focus.
> > 
> > Here is some information on the coronagraphs on SOHO - there are several of 
> > them:
> > 
> > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995SoPh..162..357B
> > 
> > (a schematic of the LASCO coronagraph is on page 375)
> > 
> > So I do not think that video is convincing.
> 
> You remind me of a small child refusing to accept something that is in front 
> of his very eyes saying No,No,NO.
> 
>  I mean a real spacecraft would look really different.
> 
> It would ? Why don't you explain to us what a real spacecraft would look like 
> ?
> 
>  The USS Enterprise on the 1960s TV show Star Trek is move convincing than 
> these images. You can see the original model in the Smithsonian in 
> Washington, D.C.
> > 
> > Why is it that UFOs are always fuzzy blobs that look like optical 
> > reflections or dust or physical defects in film or sensors? Nabby, 
> > particularly with modern photographic imaging, you would think a really 
> > clear image of something would be captured that wasn't so totally ambiguou

[FairfieldLife] science in the bible

[srijau]

http://www.amazon.ca/The-Genesis-Code-Daniel-Friedmann/dp/1935764276

Maharishi said Torah was also Veda.
Has anyone read this book?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Shiny Day In Paris

[turquoiseb]

Thanks, it has been so far. I'm presently ensconced -- T-shirt and all
-- in one of my favorite writing cafes in St. Michel, having just had a
poor lunch but a grand experience in a joint near here that I used to
frequent.

You know that either you or your tips made an impression when you walk
into a Mexican restaurant five years after having last been there and
the Mariachi band spots you, stops what they're playing, and breaks into
"your song."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu4Hnbor9rI


I strongly suspect it was the tips I used to give them rather than any
particularly memorable aspect of my personality or my aura that caused
them to remember me, but hey! -- whatever works. I enjoyed the song, and
they enjoyed another big tip.

The lead singer doesn't look a *bit* like Antonio Banderas, BTW. He's
fat and middle-aged, but he's got a good voice and he's been a Mariachi
since he was a kid in Mexico, and even found a way to pay for his life
in Paris being one. That's gotta count for something...


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> May the rest of the day be as rewarding for you.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Not so much "shiny" in terms of sunshine (although it is very sunny
and
> > warm today), but in the sense in which the exclamation "Shiny" is
used
> > in the Firefly / Serenity 'verse. In that...uh...context, someone
saying
> > "Shiny" equates to them saying "Cool," or "Groovy," or "Awesome," or
> > "That just rocks!" or whatever it is people say these days.
> >
> > The ultimate pronunciation of and invocation of the mantra "Shiny"
> > comes, of course, from its usage in Firefly by the character Kaylee.
As
> > played by Jewel Staite, Kaylee is a complex character -- part naive
> > young twif who had never been 'off planet' before joining this band
of
> > outlaws, part genius starship mechanic who keeps Serenity flying,
part
> > lusty young wench who laments about how long its been "since I've
had
> > anything twixt my nethers that didn't run on batteries."
> >
> > So when Kaylee looks adoringly at Mal and reacts to him proposing a
> > scheme that *isn't* likely to leave him and the crew dead for a
change
> > and says, "Shiny, Captain," it takes on a charm that sticks in the
mind.
> > Or at least it did in mine.
> >
> > Today is a very Shiny day for me in Paris. I got to conduct an
> > experiment I've been wanting to do for some time -- wander around
Paris
> > on a sunny day wearing my Serenity T-shirt -- and see if anyone
notices
> > or recognizes the logo and has feelings for the starship it
emblazons
> > and the crew who lived on it.
> >
> > In the US, this T-shirt has never failed to generate chance
meetings,
> > exchanged smiles, and often great conversations. Here in France,
where
> > Firefly never played on TV, and the followup film Serenity is mainly
> > known only by film cultists and scifi freaks and Joss Whedon
groupies,
> > such chance meetings are understandably fewer and farther between.
In
> > the South of France, I was lucky to run into one person all day who
> > recognized the logo, knew what it meant, and smiled.
> >
> > So far today, I've gotten many smiles, half a dozen passing comments
of
> > "Shiny!," and three great conversations with fellow Firefly freaks.
> > Color me easy to entertain, but that constitutes Shiny in my book,
and
> > has certainly put a smile on the face above the Serenity logo.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[Share Long]

Absolutely that counts IMHO. Bailey, my Dad's golden doodle is like a 5th 
daughter to him. Abu el Banat (-:





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I second that! Happy Father's Day, All!!

Thank's ! My Irish Wolfhound seem to consider me his father, hope that counts 
:-)


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Shiny Day In Paris

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow_9MglZrhs

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Not so much "shiny" in terms of sunshine (although it is very sunny and
> warm today), but in the sense in which the exclamation "Shiny" is used
> in the Firefly / Serenity 'verse. In that...uh...context, someone saying
> "Shiny" equates to them saying "Cool," or "Groovy," or "Awesome," or
> "That just rocks!" or whatever it is people say these days.
> 
> The ultimate pronunciation of and invocation of the mantra "Shiny"
> comes, of course, from its usage in Firefly by the character Kaylee. As
> played by Jewel Staite, Kaylee is a complex character -- part naive
> young twif who had never been 'off planet' before joining this band of
> outlaws, part genius starship mechanic who keeps Serenity flying, part
> lusty young wench who laments about how long its been "since I've had
> anything twixt my nethers that didn't run on batteries."
> 
> So when Kaylee looks adoringly at Mal and reacts to him proposing a
> scheme that *isn't* likely to leave him and the crew dead for a change
> and says, "Shiny, Captain," it takes on a charm that sticks in the mind.
> Or at least it did in mine.
> 
> Today is a very Shiny day for me in Paris. I got to conduct an
> experiment I've been wanting to do for some time -- wander around Paris
> on a sunny day wearing my Serenity T-shirt -- and see if anyone notices
> or recognizes the logo and has feelings for the starship it emblazons
> and the crew who lived on it.
> 
> In the US, this T-shirt has never failed to generate chance meetings,
> exchanged smiles, and often great conversations. Here in France, where
> Firefly never played on TV, and the followup film Serenity is mainly
> known only by film cultists and scifi freaks and Joss Whedon groupies,
> such chance meetings are understandably fewer and farther between. In
> the South of France, I was lucky to run into one person all day who
> recognized the logo, knew what it meant, and smiled.
> 
> So far today, I've gotten many smiles, half a dozen passing comments of
> "Shiny!," and three great conversations with fellow Firefly freaks.
> Color me easy to entertain, but that constitutes Shiny in my book, and
> has certainly put a smile on the face above the Serenity logo.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Thank you for sharing this!  Wonderful!

Thanks, Obba. Glad you enjoyed it. Stella never lost her groove. Jamaica jerk 
keeps her lips hot. 

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new 
> > adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for 
> > the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise 
> > gift came with a clue: "Jacque Cousteau" which she Googled. With a hint 
> > that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and 
> > burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as 
> > pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited 
> > it for her, not too bad for a first attempt.
> > http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people while hoping 
to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes is insurmountably 
impossible without a change in the leadership and/or the TM-anti-saint 
guidelines.  A large change is needed right now from within TM.   
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those 
> > > > too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in 
> > > > danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for 
> > > > decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the 
> > > state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says 
> > > that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in 
> > > this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and 
> > > mistrust between the two positions. 
> > 
> > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
> > First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto 
> > a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers 
> > were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal 
> > and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there 
> > is value in sticking with a single path and not "diluting" it with other 
> > ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would 
> > suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to 
> > solve their own issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that 
> > TM was the best way and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.
> >
> 
> Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly 
> the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith 
> like our TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist 
> meditators in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and 
> the Dome meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
> -Buck in the Dome
>  
> > Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
> > different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able 
> > to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To 
> > assume that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about 
> > another program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption 
> > that they should be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do 
> > widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to 
> > strictly follow MMY"s policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize 
> > how different our world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
> > 
> >  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with 
> > the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the 
> > practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome 
> > back.
> > 
> > Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the 
> > guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
> > communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
> > > > > leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, 
> > > > > TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - 
> > > > > draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, 
> > > > > effort, energy and money. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
> > > > Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have 
> > > > suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > > 
> > > > > Urgently "A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
> > > > > movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
> > > > > meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation 
> > > > > without fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred 
> > > > > hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and 
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Shiny Day In Paris

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

May the rest of the day be as rewarding for you.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Not so much "shiny" in terms of sunshine (although it is very sunny and
> warm today), but in the sense in which the exclamation "Shiny" is used
> in the Firefly / Serenity 'verse. In that...uh...context, someone saying
> "Shiny" equates to them saying "Cool," or "Groovy," or "Awesome," or
> "That just rocks!" or whatever it is people say these days.
> 
> The ultimate pronunciation of and invocation of the mantra "Shiny"
> comes, of course, from its usage in Firefly by the character Kaylee. As
> played by Jewel Staite, Kaylee is a complex character -- part naive
> young twif who had never been 'off planet' before joining this band of
> outlaws, part genius starship mechanic who keeps Serenity flying, part
> lusty young wench who laments about how long its been "since I've had
> anything twixt my nethers that didn't run on batteries."
> 
> So when Kaylee looks adoringly at Mal and reacts to him proposing a
> scheme that *isn't* likely to leave him and the crew dead for a change
> and says, "Shiny, Captain," it takes on a charm that sticks in the mind.
> Or at least it did in mine.
> 
> Today is a very Shiny day for me in Paris. I got to conduct an
> experiment I've been wanting to do for some time -- wander around Paris
> on a sunny day wearing my Serenity T-shirt -- and see if anyone notices
> or recognizes the logo and has feelings for the starship it emblazons
> and the crew who lived on it.
> 
> In the US, this T-shirt has never failed to generate chance meetings,
> exchanged smiles, and often great conversations. Here in France, where
> Firefly never played on TV, and the followup film Serenity is mainly
> known only by film cultists and scifi freaks and Joss Whedon groupies,
> such chance meetings are understandably fewer and farther between. In
> the South of France, I was lucky to run into one person all day who
> recognized the logo, knew what it meant, and smiled.
> 
> So far today, I've gotten many smiles, half a dozen passing comments of
> "Shiny!," and three great conversations with fellow Firefly freaks.
> Color me easy to entertain, but that constitutes Shiny in my book, and
> has certainly put a smile on the face above the Serenity logo.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Michael Jackson]

The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor 
during its transition to the superconducting state.

that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive the 
favor of various Goddesses which is what Ultra Hindu Fanatic Marshy the Con 
Artist gave to everyone under the guise of calling a "simple, natural mental 
technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day." Of course if George Harrison had 
known it was a Hindu devotional practice, he would never have had to go over to 
the Hare Krishnas.






 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those 
> > > too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in 
> > > danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for 
> > > decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state 
> > of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that 
> > there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this 
> > unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust 
> > between the two positions. 
> 
> From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
> First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a 
> flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers 
> were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
> lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is 
> value in sticking with a single path and not "diluting" it with other ways 
> and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if 
> the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own 
> issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way 
> and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.
>

Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly the 
meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith like our 
TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators 
in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome 
meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
-Buck in the Dome

> Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
> different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able 
> to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume 
> that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about another program 
> or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should 
> be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their 
> horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow 
> MMY"s policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how different our 
> world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
> 
>  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with 
> the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the 
> practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome 
> back.
> 
> Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the 
> guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
> communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then. 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
> > > > leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, 
> > > > rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my 
> > > > suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and 
> > > > money. 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
> > > Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have 
> > > suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > 
> > > > Urgently "A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
> > > > movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
> > > > meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Philosophy Of Arseholeness

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Browsing in the high-falutin' section of
> > > my local book shop today I came across this:
> > > 
> > > "Assholes: A Theory" by philosopher Aaron James
> > > http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=4884
> > > 
> > > Sounds like fun. (But alas it's cheaper online so my
> > > local shop may loose out).
> 
> > Don't be a cheap A-hole and buy it from your local book
> > store. I mean, surely you can afford to spend an extra
> > $5-$10 to support the little independent.
> 
> Well I'm a poor, poor man Ann, but yes, I know. Guilt felt! 
> Except this isn't a little independent, but a national chain
> (http://www.waterstones.com/). They have the blood of little
> independents on their hands! And also, they sell the book
> online themselves cheaper than on the street (but not as
> cheap as Amazon). Perhaps I would do right by buying from
> the latter and giving the difference to my local cat charity,
> or to David Lynch's thing?

Good compromise (but perhaps a dog or horse charity would be more to my 
liking). And yes, if it was just the big Waterstones chain then don't worry 
about it. I am more interested in the little ma and pa corner bookstore who 
will be going the way of the dodo within the next few years. Being a small 
independent tack store I feel their pain! I have a big Canadian tack store 
chain/franchise five minutes down the road from my store so I am very sensitive 
on this issue. The stated purpose of this said chain is to "drive the 
independents out of business". Lovely. As if there isn't enough business to go 
around (which there is in Victoria where I live) but the big, mean ugly owner 
of the overall franchise just doesn't want to share. Luckily, there are still 
informed consumers out there who like the idea of shopping "locally" and 
supporting small, customer service based retailers.
> 
> The thing is though - I spent a happy hour browsing the 
> books, and if I generalised my action ("if I and everyone
> else did this...") then probably I would lose that option.
> 
> So you need not appeal to my self-respect so much as to 
> my self-interest?

Ah, the age old story with us pathetic humans. "What's in it for me?"
> 
> By comparison Arjuna's dilemma looks like a walk in the
> park. I only went in for a coffee.

I'd be happy to buy - if we ever meet.
> 
> > > (BTW what's the difference between an asshole and an
> > > arsehole? Does one get published, and the other not? Or
> > > are we, as so often, divided by our common language?)
> > > 
> > > From a review on Amazon:
> > > 
> > > "James classifies a-holes by type, including the boorish
> > > a-hole (Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore), the smug a-hole
> > > (Richard Dawkins, Larry Summers), the a-hole boss (Naomi
> > > Campbell), the presidential a-hole (Hugo Chavez), the reckless
> > > a-hole (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld), the self-aggrandizing
> > > a-hole (Ralph Nader), the cable news a-hole (Neil Cavuto,
> > > Keith Olbermann), and the delusional a-hole (Kanye West,
> > > Wall Street bankers). James covers the spectrum from liberals
> > > to conservatives in his search for a-holes and applies his
> > > test with, I think, a nonpartisan outlook."
> > > 
> > > Also looking promising and about my tribe:
> > > "How the Hippies Saved Physics: Science, Counterculture, and
> > > the Quantum Revival"
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jamaica 2013

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > Every vacation in Jamaica for the past seven years has been a brand new 
> > adventure for nine year-old Juliette. Last year, she went parasailing for 
> > the first time. This year she's into making underwater videos. Her surprise 
> > gift came with a clue: "Jacque Cousteau" which she Googled. With a hint 
> > that he filmed underwater sea life, she guessed an underwater camera and 
> > burst with excitement. The Nikon COOLPIX AW100 Waterproof camera is easy as 
> > pie to operate, perfect for a kid her age. She shot the video and I edited 
> > it for her, not too bad for a first attempt.
> > http://youtu.be/YW4lP5y0SxQ
> 
> Wonderful. She must have been transfixed by that experience. What a thrill! I 
> would have been beside myself to have been able to do that as a 9 year old. 
> Fun music. If you don't want to write a book Raunchy, you should make a film.

Juliette just finished reading and loved "The Wimpy Kid Movie Diary" based on 
the film "Diary of a Wimpy Kid."  The book includes film stills, storyboards, 
concept drawings, and behind the scenes filmmaking. Maybe she will be in the 
movie business as a screenwriter someday and I would be just as happy for her 
as if I'd done it myself. She has written several delightful short stories that 
are very advanced for a 3rd grader. She has many talents. You never know what's 
going to stick with a kid when they grow up. I just hope she has a happy life. 

Hey, I just realized that I started making YouTube videos end of Venus (art, 
music) and beginning of Sun (Soul, power) Mahadashas.. Both planets are in 5th 
House (creativity, passion, pleasures). Maybe there's something to Jyotish 
after all. I'll never make a nickel off YouTube and except for friends and 
family no one is interested in seeing my videos. The process of recording and 
editing videos has been a lot of fun and for now that's good enough for me.

> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those 
> > > too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in 
> > > danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for 
> > > decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state 
> > of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that 
> > there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this 
> > unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust 
> > between the two positions. 
> 
> From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  
> First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a 
> flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers 
> were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
> lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is 
> value in sticking with a single path and not "diluting" it with other ways 
> and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if 
> the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own 
> issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way 
> and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.
>

Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly the 
meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith like our 
TM-taliban does.  We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators 
in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome 
meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
-Buck in the Dome
 
> Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are 
> different in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able 
> to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume 
> that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about another program 
> or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should 
> be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their 
> horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow 
> MMY"s policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how different our 
> world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. 
> 
>  How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with 
> the blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the 
> practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome 
> back.
> 
> Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the 
> guy to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
> communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
> > -Buck
> > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
> > > > leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, 
> > > > rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my 
> > > > suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and 
> > > > money. 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of 
> > > Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have 
> > > suffered many blows as a result of extremism.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > 
> > > > Urgently "A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
> > > > movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
> > > > meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without 
> > > > fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy 
> > > > and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the 
> > > > meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  long slide in 
> > > > numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and 
> > > > it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on 
> > > > top.  Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come 
> > > > along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome 
> > > > policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and 
> > > > it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those 
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > NASA – Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > > > (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the 
> > > > > > > > sun's
> > > > > > > > corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube:
> > > > > > > > StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was 
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > the planet Mars.)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >   [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; 
> > > > > > > > Footage
> > > > > > > > from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric 
> > > > > > > > Observatory
> > > > > > > > (SOHO)]
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > NASA – Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called "UFO
> > > > > > > > Creates Massive Sun Flash", uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video
> > > > > > > > comments include: "Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into
> > > > > > > > view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object 
> > > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > > past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again 
> > > > > > > > that the
> > > > > > > > UFO is real – a clear and defined interaction between the 
> > > > > > > > object and
> > > > > > > > the sun." (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a 
> > > > > > > > spacecraft
> > > > > > > > from Mars. The speculation that "a solar reaction is observed"
> > > > > > > > is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and 
> > > > > > > > calculating
> > > > > > > > a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, 
> > > > > > > > and we
> > > > > > > > on Earth are just beginning to feel it.)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs
> > > time, take a look at the actual video; 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8
> > >  
> > > > > And while you're at it, try explaining how optical "reflection" can 
> > > > > move within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. 
> > > > > Good luck !
> > > > >
> > > > NASA explains the marks in the LASCO coronagraph images in two ways.
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Comic rays tear through the sensor and leave a streak.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. There are occasionally dust particles that float by and as the 
> > > > optics are focused on infinity they are out of focus. I do not know the 
> > > > exposures times for these images, but the camera is not operating at 
> > > > frame rates like for movies or TV. The system can transmit images 10 
> > > > per hour, so that seems to be what the instrument is capable of.
> > > > 
> > > > The video on youtube besides being edited for effect, also show 
> > > > tinkering - the flashing of the 'spacecraft' - while the object flashes 
> > > > the noise in the supposed multiple frames does not change, so it is a 
> > > > doctored effect. The actual movement of the object between frames is 
> > > > probably authentic. It is probably out-of-focus dust. There are many 
> > > > optical elements in the LASCO coronagraph, and mulitple reflections of 
> > > > bright objects in the system can create this effect. The dark 'holes' 
> > > > in the object seem to be the effect of the occulting disk. Modern 
> > > > catadioptric telescope optics often have mirrors cemented in the center 
> > > > of one of the lenses - this makes for shorter lighter instruments, such 
> > > > as a catadioptirc telephoto camera lens for regular photography. With a 
> > > > coronagraph, the surface of the sun is blocked optically within the 
> > > > telescope tube but dust particles near the craft but out side the tube 
> > > > are fully illuminated by the sun so they appear very bright, and out of 
> > > > focus.
> > > > 
> > > > Here is some information on the coronagraphs on SOHO - there are 
> > > > several of them:
> > > > 
> > > > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995SoPh..162..357B
> > > > 
> > > > (a schematic of the LASCO coronagraph is on page 375)
> > > > 
> > > > So I do not think that video is convincing.
> > > 
> > > You remind me of a small child refusing to accept something that is in 
> > > front of his very eyes saying No,No,NO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation is the need of the time

[Buck]

Yes, this is extremely timely.  Thanks everybody should read this and amend 
their ways now.

 Meditation ( transcending meditation) is the need of the time.It is the birth 
right of every individual to practise this technique and improve their lives 
for greater success in our endeavours, increased happiness, energy,  creativity 
and knowledge and live a life in complete harmony with Nature.

-Buck the Revolutionary and Millenarian Transcendentalist


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Transcendental Meditation  is the need of the time
> _.___
> 
> 
> http://www.fijisun.com.fj/2013/06/13/transcendental-meditation-2/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too 
> > blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of 
> > losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it 
> > ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
> > 
> >
> 
> It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state 
> of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that there 
> should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable 
> relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust between the two 
> positions. 

>From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere:  First, 
>to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a 
>flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers were 
>in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and 
>lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is 
>value in sticking with a single path and not "diluting" it with other ways and 
>creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the 
>public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own 
>issues or to find a better Master.  Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way 
>and pretty much the only way to enlightenment.

Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,  things are different 
in  this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able to look at 
other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve.  To assume that once a 
person learns TM they will never be curious about another program or teacher or 
saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should be excluded from 
the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make 
a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow MMY"s policy from about 1970, 
or to soften up and realize how different our world is now and how 
infantalizing the old policy is. 

 How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with the 
blacklisting and gatekeeping.  Just say the Domes are only for the practice of 
TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome back.

Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the guy 
to die to resolve the conflict.  However in mediation let us hope for a 
communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.  
> -Buck
> 
> >  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like 
> > > leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, 
> > > rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my 
> > > suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and 
> > > money. 
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global 
> > Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered 
> > many blows as a result of extremism.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Repealing TM's  Anti-Saint Policies
> > > 
> > > Urgently "A  'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM 
> > > movement.  A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a 
> > > meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers.  A meditation without 
> > > fear.  The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and 
> > > contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the 
> > > meditating community.  We need only look at the decades  long slide in 
> > > numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.  They are down and it 
> > > is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top.  
> > > Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a 
> > > flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.  The Dome policies 
> > > and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time 
> > > and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with 
> > > repeal.  The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint 
> > > policies have made for a TM movement of
> > >  corruption, liars and hypocrites.  More than reforming, the time is come 
> > > for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating 
> > > program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers.  
> > > The saints are returning soon again.  It is a fact of life.  Repeal the 
> > > TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late..  The 
> > > time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal 
> > > movem

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ignorance

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Unbelievable how ignorant people can be.

and how many hours of "channeling" do you have under your belt?

>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22905530
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[seventhray27]

Thanks Share.  Yesterday I played an unplanned round of golf with my two
sons.  That was a nice start.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
>
> to all the FFL dads including but not limited to: Steve, Doc,
emptybill, MJ, Ravi, Rick the One Father of us all; and all step
fathers, foster fathers, half fathers, fatherly uncles and friends and
will be fathers; and any of you guys who have fathered innovative ideas
or fabulous projects, big and small,  or astonishing works of art or
wonderful events, etc.
>
> Hope you all have a sweet day (-:
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> I second that! Happy Father's Day, All!!

Thank's ! My Irish Wolfhound seem to consider me his father, hope that counts 
:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
> Most sci-fi fantasists, like the alien abduction experiencers, have
> moved the subject of their dreams out of our vicinity and onto distant
> stars and constellations like the Pleidaes, which is another bad
choice as far as sustaining organic life goes. These guys should
> do some research before committing themselves, but then people like
> me who do do research aren't the target market I guess.


What do you make of this guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward_Mack

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > NASA – Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > > (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's
> > > > > > > corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube:
> > > > > > > StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was 
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > the planet Mars.)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >   [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; 
> > > > > > > Footage
> > > > > > > from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > > (SOHO)]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > NASA – Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called "UFO
> > > > > > > Creates Massive Sun Flash", uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video
> > > > > > > comments include: "Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into
> > > > > > > view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object 
> > > > > > > files
> > > > > > > past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again 
> > > > > > > that the
> > > > > > > UFO is real – a clear and defined interaction between the object 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the sun." (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft
> > > > > > > from Mars. The speculation that "a solar reaction is observed"
> > > > > > > is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and 
> > > > > > > calculating
> > > > > > > a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, 
> > > > > > > and we
> > > > > > > on Earth are just beginning to feel it.)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs
> > time, take a look at the actual video; 
> > > > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8
> >  
> > > > And while you're at it, try explaining how optical "reflection" can 
> > > > move within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. 
> > > > Good luck !
> > > >
> > > NASA explains the marks in the LASCO coronagraph images in two ways.
> > > 
> > > 1. Comic rays tear through the sensor and leave a streak.
> > > 
> > > 2. There are occasionally dust particles that float by and as the optics 
> > > are focused on infinity they are out of focus. I do not know the 
> > > exposures times for these images, but the camera is not operating at 
> > > frame rates like for movies or TV. The system can transmit images 10 per 
> > > hour, so that seems to be what the instrument is capable of.
> > > 
> > > The video on youtube besides being edited for effect, also show tinkering 
> > > - the flashing of the 'spacecraft' - while the object flashes the noise 
> > > in the supposed multiple frames does not change, so it is a doctored 
> > > effect. The actual movement of the object between frames is probably 
> > > authentic. It is probably out-of-focus dust. There are many optical 
> > > elements in the LASCO coronagraph, and mulitple reflections of bright 
> > > objects in the system can create this effect. The dark 'holes' in the 
> > > object seem to be the effect of the occulting disk. Modern catadioptric 
> > > telescope optics often have mirrors cemented in the center of one of the 
> > > lenses - this makes for shorter lighter instruments, such as a 
> > > catadioptirc telephoto camera lens for regular photography. With a 
> > > coronagraph, the surface of the sun is blocked optically within the 
> > > telescope tube but dust particles near the craft but out side the tube 
> > > are fully illuminated by the sun so they appear very bright, and out of 
> > > focus.
> > > 
> > > Here is some information on the coronagraphs on SOHO - there are several 
> > > of them:
> > > 
> > > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995SoPh..162..357B
> > > 
> > > (a schematic of the LASCO coronagraph is on page 375)
> > > 
> > > So I do not think that video is convincing.
> > 
> > You remind me of a small child refusing to accept something that is in 
> > front of his very eyes saying No,No,NO.
> > 
> >  I mean a real spacecraft would look really different.
> > 
> > It would ? Why don't you explain to us what a real spacecraft would look 
> > like ?
> > 
> >  The USS Enterprise on the 1960s TV show Star Trek is move convincing than 
> > these images. You can see the original model in the Smithsonian in 
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Shiny Day In Paris

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Oh, right, sorry, you did put a smiley face to indicate making a joke. Hey I 
> really enjoy the Maitreya reports you post. They sound so sensible.


You hit the nail on it's head by using the word "sensible" Share. 

Despite what posters here like to think, it's the least sensational and 
probably most sensible information available on this earth today. When 
analyzing this information you will also find that it fits very well with 
Maharishi's knowledge of consciousness and the future of mankind coming from 
the Master of a person (Mr. Benjamin Creme) who has the highest regard for 
Maharishi and Guru Dev. 

http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Father's Day

[doctordumbass]

I second that! Happy Father's Day, All!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> to all the FFL dads including but not limited to: Steve, Doc, emptybill, MJ, 
> Ravi, Rick the One Father of us all; and all step fathers, foster fathers, 
> half fathers, fatherly uncles and friends and will be fathers; and any of you 
> guys who have fathered innovative ideas or fabulous projects, big and small,  
> or astonishing works of art or wonderful events, etc. 
> 
> Hope you all have a sweet day (-: 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: someone who understands M.E.

[doctordumbass]

You have surrounded yourself with enough straw men, to make an entire army of 
scarecrows. All I can say, is, "CAW! CAW! CAW!".:-) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > I think the context of the response is different. The 
> > questioner was interested in the householder vs recluse 
> > issue, while in a question about marriage, MMY was 
> > being asked for personal advice, which he generally 
> > didn't like giving, from what I could tell.
> 
> Ah, thank you, Lawson. Another clue in the eternal
> struggle to understand the mind of the True Believer.
> 
> For all their talk of "truth," TMers aren't really
> *seeking* it. They're just seeking "easy answers"
> that put their minds to sleep while they nod and
> say, "Yup...that sure sounds right, Maharishi. 
> Thanks for clarifying that for us...in this context."
> 
> Now I understand why TB nitpickers get so batshit
> crazy when they feel that someone has taken something
> they said "out of context." It's like "How DARE you
> suggest that me acting like a harpy and hurling 
> insults at someone is the SAME as them hurling insults
> at me. It ISN'T. Not, not, not, not not! You *have*
> to consider the CONTEXT. This other person was sug-
> gesting that my statement wasn't RIGHT, and not the 
> very definition of 'truth,' and not a *fact* that 
> everyone should hear and *have* to believe. So they're 
> WRONG and I'm RIGHT. THAT is the all-important *context* 
> in which this has to be seen. My statement is correct 
> and *must* be seen as the authoritarian thought-stopper 
> it was, whereas the other person's statement was wrong, 
> and thus *deserved* my insults." :-)
> 
> I'm just having fun with you being comfortable with
> Maharishi having declared himself *both* a householder
> *and* a monk, Lawson. It's a perfect example of the 
> bipolar, immune-to-cognitive-dissonance reasoning of
> the True Believer. "Of *course* Maharishi was *both*
> a householder and a monk...it all depends on the
> *context*, which is a synonym for 'what *I* wanted
> to believe' in each situation."  :-)
> 
> Similarly you are probably comfortable with other
> examples of the creative uses of 'context' as a 
> thought-stopper. "Of *course* the same TMSP program
> that claims it causes 'invincibility' is so fragile
> that it might be threatened by the presence in the
> domes of a few people who have 'seen other teachers.'"
> "Of *course* Maharishi was justified in denouncing
> siddhis as literally 'the worst practice you could
> ever consider for your spiritual development' in 1968
> but then turn around and sell them for thousands of
> dollars a pop a decade later." "Of *course* we can 
> still refer to practicing them as 'flying' when no
> one has ever flown." It's all about CONTEXT. 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > MMY was asked (I've seen the video) what his lifestyle was, and he 
> > > > > looked very surprised as he slowly said that he was a householder.
> > > 
> > > bug I also heard him say, when asked questions about marriage, that he 
> > > was not a householder and therefore could not comment.  I heard him say 
> > > he was a monk.
> > > > 
> > > > That's interesting, you don't happen to remember where "in the sea of 
> > > > tapes" this might be ?
> > > > It certainly gives meaning. A householder has responsibilities, unlike 
> > > > a monk who is free. And since Maharishi has resposebility not only for 
> > > > his own students, but according to Muktananda "the whole world 
> > > > consciousness" the word "householder" in this case certainly makes 
> > > > sense.
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have to admit, he did run the TMO like a business, not sure what 
> > > > > > business model that was.LOL! Buddha wasn't a Brahmin either, just 
> > > > > > another Kshatriya, Jesus, a carpenter, not a Levite. I think once 
> > > > > > you've fulfilled your dharma, you are obligated to help others. 
> > > > > > I've never seen M as a priest but a monk and anybody can be a monk, 
> > > > > > even a poor one.Being a monk is it's own dharma.
> > > > > >  Don't know if he ever took formal vows. I take it that he 
> > > > > > didn't.He said to take them before one is ready is not good and it 
> > > > > > puts limitations on what one can do.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Signs

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > NASA – Footage from NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > (SOHO) in space shows a UFO that appears to fly through the sun's
> > > > > > corona. Published on YouTube on 6 March 2013. (Source: YouTube:
> > > > > > StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the huge spacecraft was from
> > > > > > the planet Mars.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   [Share International photo for May 2013 x80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb6; 
> > > > > > Footage
> > > > > > from NASAx80;xa0;xa0;x92;xb2;s Solar and Heliospheric Observatory
> > > > > > (SOHO)]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > NASA – Footage taken by SOHO can be seen in a video called "UFO
> > > > > > Creates Massive Sun Flash", uploaded on 14 June 2012. The video
> > > > > > comments include: "Three ring-shaped objects seem to phase into
> > > > > > view. Object seems to power up before taking off. As the object 
> > > > > > files
> > > > > > past the sun, a solar reaction is observed. This proves again that 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > UFO is real – a clear and defined interaction between the object and
> > > > > > the sun." (Source: YouTube: StephenHannardADGUK)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (Benjamin Creme's Master explains that the object was a spacecraft
> > > > > > from Mars. The speculation that "a solar reaction is observed"
> > > > > > is not accurate. The spacecraft was actually registering and 
> > > > > > calculating
> > > > > > a great release of energy from the sun, which is occurring now, and 
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > on Earth are just beginning to feel it.)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-05.htm#signs
> time, take a look at the actual video; 
> > > 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYGa8p-rwz8
>  
> > > And while you're at it, try explaining how optical "reflection" can move 
> > > within a frame taken with equipment that is standing still. 
> > > Good luck !
> > >
> > NASA explains the marks in the LASCO coronagraph images in two ways.
> > 
> > 1. Comic rays tear through the sensor and leave a streak.
> > 
> > 2. There are occasionally dust particles that float by and as the optics 
> > are focused on infinity they are out of focus. I do not know the exposures 
> > times for these images, but the camera is not operating at frame rates like 
> > for movies or TV. The system can transmit images 10 per hour, so that seems 
> > to be what the instrument is capable of.
> > 
> > The video on youtube besides being edited for effect, also show tinkering - 
> > the flashing of the 'spacecraft' - while the object flashes the noise in 
> > the supposed multiple frames does not change, so it is a doctored effect. 
> > The actual movement of the object between frames is probably authentic. It 
> > is probably out-of-focus dust. There are many optical elements in the LASCO 
> > coronagraph, and mulitple reflections of bright objects in the system can 
> > create this effect. The dark 'holes' in the object seem to be the effect of 
> > the occulting disk. Modern catadioptric telescope optics often have mirrors 
> > cemented in the center of one of the lenses - this makes for shorter 
> > lighter instruments, such as a catadioptirc telephoto camera lens for 
> > regular photography. With a coronagraph, the surface of the sun is blocked 
> > optically within the telescope tube but dust particles near the craft but 
> > out side the tube are fully illuminated by the sun so they appear very 
> > bright, and out of focus.
> > 
> > Here is some information on the coronagraphs on SOHO - there are several of 
> > them:
> > 
> > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1995SoPh..162..357B
> > 
> > (a schematic of the LASCO coronagraph is on page 375)
> > 
> > So I do not think that video is convincing.
> 
> You remind me of a small child refusing to accept something that is in front 
> of his very eyes saying No,No,NO.
> 
>  I mean a real spacecraft would look really different.
> 
> It would ? Why don't you explain to us what a real spacecraft would look like 
> ?
> 
>  The USS Enterprise on the 1960s TV show Star Trek is move convincing than 
> these images. You can see the original model in the Smithsonian in 
> Washington, D.C.
> > 
> > Why is it that UFOs are always fuzzy blobs that look like optical 
> > reflections or dust or physical defects in film or sensors? Nabby, 
> > particularly with modern photographic imaging, you would think a really 
> > clear image of something would be captured that wasn't so totally ambiguou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Shiny Day In Paris

[Share Long]

Oh, right, sorry, you did put a smiley face to indicate making a joke. Hey I 
really enjoy the Maitreya reports you post. They sound so sensible.





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Shiny Day In Paris
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Nablusoss, I got something else altogether: that he wanted to share something 
> he likes a lot and via that, connect with others.

Which is probably also true. I'm just teasing him because he is always accusing 
others of being attention-seekers :-)