[FairfieldLife] Re: Death Threat from Buck!
It's that superstitious thinking that believers do MJ. If you live in a daydream society where everything is run by some sort of magic and then it turns out that the woo-woo isn't working they have to find a scapegoat, someone to blame - that's you. Or the guy that doesn't contribute to the yagya or whoever doesn't do prog in the dome. Someone has to be spoiling things if we do everything right and the world still isn't perfect ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Damn! Of all the experiences I might have imagined having via FFL, I never imagined death threats!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another view of the Maharishi pandit program
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another view of the Maharishi pandit program Maybe no one here on FFL is trying to spin it, but other folks sure are - I heard from one sidha in Wash DC who believes that rakshasas are always hovering around Fairfield trying to undo Marshy's wonderful work, and the low numbers in the Domes was responsible for the riot since the pundits were not having enough saatva around 'em. He ignored my point that 300 pundits plus another 200 in the Domes equals about 5 and a half percent of the total population in Fairfield, far more than the square root of one percent needed to make a great demonstrable difference in society in a given geographical location, nor my suggestion that the idea of low numbers allowing demons to git the pundits and stir 'em up is like saying that he in DC must have X number of sidhas around him or he might go rob and kill someone. He also told me that since I am not willing to have positive thoughts about the riot and what the TMO is doing about it, I am in league with the demons too, a thought I am sure Nabby and Buck have already thought many a time. Others in the Movement are also making excuses for all the bs that Goldstein and Revolinski have put forward, being sure that as he put it, Maharishi's Movement knows what it's doing
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace Maybe - mostly from my perspective I noticed when I first started reading FFL posts I saw that there was a paintball battle going on between certain folks and I didn't need to arm myself. Wise man. What does it say about the egos and self-importance of people that they feel that they *do* have to not only arm themselves, but keep taking potshots for almost twenty years. Feeling that you have to come out with guns blazing in response to every idea that challenges yours is a sign of weakness, not strength.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
That's a TMer for you. Tell a person that you consider them so evil that you'd put them on your personal assassination list, and then sign the post, Kindly. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education. That is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Egg, Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards,-Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations,
Re: [FairfieldLife] and since MUM has no relation to MPandits
From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] and since MUM has no relation to MPandits . . . Seems not only at FFL forum poster do not know much about history , philosophy, purpose and nature of the program... (Why there have to be special trained pandits from India and no pundister from FFL?...etc.) That one's easy to answer. Maharishi said many times that non-Indians were not evolved enough to learn how to chant the Vedas. That's probably why Indians who *have* learned to chant them are so valuable, and worth so much money -- $50 a month.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Sorry, I meant to direct these questions to Steve, not Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. I'll Bingo that ! :-) Post of the month, maybe of the year so far. Good work, Doc, I mean it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
Like his mirror-ego the Turq he is obsessed with the sexuality of male spiritual leaders and enjoy dreaming about it. Like the Americans say; Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/19/2014 3:43 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: In your dream, what were you doing in Chinmoy's bedroom?
[FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India?
According to wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country#Countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country#Countries the pandits are getting paid about 4-6x the minimum wage for someone living in India: $689/year. I figure that because the minimum wage figure on wikipedia includes requirements for room and board, which are free for the Pandits while they are staying in the USA. They get paid $6.60/day + room and board, which is nearly 2x the minimum wage of 118 rupees ($2.18) per day in Bihar to 185 rupees ($3.40) per day in Haryana (with local cost of living allowance included). Assume that room and board is 1/2 your income, and the Pandit's income works out to 6x the minimum wage in Bihar and 4x the minimum wage in Haryana. Not the highest wage, but by no means exploitation, either.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India?
Don't you *ever* get tired of being an apologist for the TM movement, Lawson? Your figures below are calculated on the basis of them being paid $200 per month. They aren't. They are paid $50 a month. The other $150 goes to their parents, who *sold them into this program in the first place*, and ONLY IF they complete their three-year contract. The pandits never see a penny of that $150. So your apologetics below are all based on a LIE. It's a GOOD DEAL for the parents to sell their children into this kind of slavery. The average monthly income in India is $94. They get $150, plus one less mouth to feed. Meanwhile the TMO charges thousands to tens of thousands of dollars for each of the yagyas performed by these indentured servants, and pays them (using your calculations below, only with the correct base figure) $1.66 per day, not $6.60. Shame on you for helping to perpetuate this scam, Lawson, and for supporting what can only be described as a modern form of slavery. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India? According to wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country#Countries the pandits are getting paid about 4-6x the minimum wage for someone living in India: $689/year. I figure that because the minimum wage figure on wikipedia includes requirements for room and board, which are free for the Pandits while they are staying in the USA. They get paid $6.60/day + room and board, which is nearly 2x the minimum wage of 118 rupees ($2.18) per day in Bihar to 185 rupees ($3.40) per day in Haryana (with local cost of living allowance included). Assume that room and board is 1/2 your income, and the Pandit's income works out to 6x the minimum wage in Bihar and 4x the minimum wage in Haryana. Not the highest wage, but by no means exploitation, either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Comments in red ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good folks like yourself in the stone age is fine by me. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent bashing TM, Maharishi, Guru Dev, Hindus, Indians, mantras, pandits, yagyas, and anything else that they attach their failed lifetimes to. This misdirected anger, is then meant to buoy the TM skeptics out there, with the result that they, of course, want to emulate the TM bashers, vs. learning TM. What a joke. For one thing TM strengthens the ability for successful social relationships. Compare that to a TM basher, who sits alone in cafes and his room, watching TV and drinking beer. What would your choice be? Pretty obvious, huh? You're going to have to help me out, I can't remember anyone here ever slagging off TM, it's just a meditation technique for crissakes. And we've all done it so we all know what it's like and how it compares to others (provided you've had the imagination and desire to learn new things enough to try a different technique). So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. The other day I heard that the TMO was sued after someone had taken ayurvedic products while pregnant and their child was born with lead poisoning. Not only did the TMO hush it up, they still sell ayurveda as the ultimate system of health care. Talk about crawling around on the ground! Talk about a dark world! My desire is always education and knowledge and breaking free of rigid unhelpful beliefs and thought patterns. To do that you have to challenge what you have been told, I can see you are a long way from that Doc. But to make it easier, think of your own children caged behind barbed wire in a foreign country chanting prayers for the benefit of others. Something you'd be proud of? Pleased with their life choice? Maybe you would, maybe you think it's the highest honour, but you're in the crowd swigging Kool-aid so you can't be said to be objective. Breaking free of cults is hard and the TMO is brilliant at drawing you in with it's implausible rubbish. But we the newly free, will continue to try and help you open your eyes. Consider it a service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India?
Hmmm... So 20-40 year-olds are still indentured children in India, unable to break free of the harsh debts incurred by their parents? OK.
[FairfieldLife] Is ANYONE happy with how Yahoo groups replying works?
I can'te ven read my own replies half the time, just the apparently randomly quoted text.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good folks like yourself in the stone age is fine by me. This also amazes me -- their inability to realize when their backs are against the wall, and that they are pursuing a course that will END the TM movement. The biggest failing in this whole scenario IMO is that they've obviously hired a True Believer (Goldstein) as their lawyer and mouthpiece instead of a real lawyer. Any real lawyer would have looked at the facts and advised them (the TMO in America) to distance themselves as quickly as possible from Girish Varma, his Indian Mafia, his history of being a rapist, and his ongoing scams to exploit poor families in India to use their sons as slave labor for their cash-creation schemes. These TM bashers have nothing to say in that regard, making the point, instead, that they are living proponents of a lifetime spent
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Sorry, my bad below. The pandits are paid $1.66 per DAY, not per hour. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice My desire is always education and knowledge and breaking free of rigid unhelpful beliefs and thought patterns. To do that you have to challenge what you have been told, I can see you are a long way from that Doc. But to make it easier, think of your own children caged behind barbed wire in a foreign country chanting prayers for the benefit of others. Being paid $1.66 an hour to do so, while the TM movement charges thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for the benefits they're providing. Something you'd be proud of? Pleased with their life choice? Maybe you would, maybe you think it's the highest honour, but you're in the crowd swigging Kool-aid so you can't be said to be objective. Breaking free of cults is hard and the TMO is brilliant at drawing you in with it's implausible rubbish. But we the newly free, will continue to try and help you open your eyes. Consider it a service. And -- unlike the TM movement -- we're not even charging you for it...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color Just a few more from me in this, erm, cerise (?) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. Apparently that's because they are two seperate issues, which I find odd because if it actually works it would justify pretty much any amount of people chanting all day Indian, or not. And it's not even the whirled peas, think of the new knowledge for science if we could prove that somehow the gods listen to our prayers. That's the sort of thing that used to get me excited about paranormal research but there are only so many nil-results before you have to move on to something a bit more likely. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. I endlessly thank Stephen Hawking for the fact that I never completely took the flight to Marshysezland, if I hadn't read A Brief History of Time I wouldn't have questioned the biggest aspect of the knowledge from day one. Actually I'm a questioner anyway but his chapter on Einstein and the search for the unified field made me sit up and say WTF? on the second day of checking when we learned about Marshy's viewpoint. Phew, saved me a lot of hard work later on that did. This is why I never got on on the TMO, they
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. On Thu, 3/20/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 4:00 AM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Christ, I should have known you would lionize Shri Chinmoy - another selfish, arrogant self indulgent egotistical narcissist who mentally, emotionally, financially and in every other way abused his followers all the while preaching celibacy while he was screwing every woman he could get his hands on. I find it best to allow others to live their lives the way they choose and to perhaps watch and learn. But to make a life-long hobby of worrying about what damaged and hypocritical humans do is a real waste of time and energy. Let Chinmoy screw his brains out. So what? If you and everyone else on this planet haven't figured out by now that the human species is severely flawed in countless ways and that we all share a similar challenge in our stumbling toward death then you need to do it soon or waste the second half of you existence ranting and agitating about things you have zero control over. It is not that I don't hold standards for human decency but I just can't worry about or control the foibles of others. On Wed, 3/19/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 5:01 PM John McLaughlin is 72 years young this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzq5n9vb-pUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRLHtxYCB8list=RDVHLSDD_0btghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83ddjtnT7KU%c2%a0(The Life Divine, with Carlos Santana, Montreux 2011, both students of the great Yogi Shri Chinmoy) John McLaughlin The 4th Dimensiom - Spain 2011 - FULL CONCERT:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEfzkV7Tug Enjoy !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death Threat from Buck!
I still wish these folks would address the fact that 300 pundits plus another 200 in the Domes equals 500 doing siddhis in Fairfield which is about 5 and a half percent of the total population of Fairfield which according to the TMO SHOULD make Fairfield a utopia - yet the reality is the program doers themselves are rioting and tearing up a cop car. Proof positive for anyone looking objectively that the Marshy Effect is made up bs. On Thu, 3/20/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death Threat from Buck! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 7:09 AM It's that superstitious thinking that believers do MJ. If you live in a daydream society where everything is run by some sort of magic and then it turns out that the woo-woo isn't working they have to find a scapegoat, someone to blame - that's you. Or the guy that doesn't contribute to the yagya or whoever doesn't do prog in the dome. Someone has to be spoiling things if we do everything right and the world still isn't perfect ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Damn! Of all the experiences I might have imagined having via FFL, I never imagined death threats!
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India?
Agreed and I would point out two other things - One, there was someone a few weeks ago who made a post saying they had worked with the pundits in Vlodrop and knew very well their problems When I asked what those problems were, the person replied that the TMO NEVER kept its promises to the pundits, specifically about money - the one example he gave was one who had family in India who needed the money who complained so much they finally paid him - in Raams. Two - the rationale for the TMO asking for major donations for the pundits to do a national yagya for Great Britain so they could prevent any further natural disasters. Since the pundits already live and work in TMO facilities where they have everything they need, why would they need to collect up $100,000.00 to be able to do the yagya? The pundits don't get any of that money, they are already onsite, doing yagya - why would the TMO refrain from doing what was needful for England till they had that much money in hand? If you believe that yagya can actually have the effect intended, it surely seems like extortion at best. And people wonder why I take issue with the TM Movement? On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 8:59 AM Don't you *ever* get tired of being an apologist for the TM movement, Lawson? Your figures below are calculated on the basis of them being paid $200 per month. They aren't. They are paid $50 a month. The other $150 goes to their parents, who *sold them into this program in the first place*, and ONLY IF they complete their three-year contract. The pandits never see a penny of that $150. So your apologetics below are all based on a LIE. It's a GOOD DEAL for the parents to sell their children into this kind of slavery. The average monthly income in India is $94. They get $150, plus one less mouth to feed. Meanwhile the TMO charges thousands to tens of thousands of dollars for each of the yagyas performed by these indentured servants, and pays them (using your calculations below, only with the correct base figure) $1.66 per day, not $6.60. Shame on you for helping to perpetuate this scam, Lawson, and for supporting what can only be described as a modern form of slavery. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India? According to wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country#Countries the pandits are getting paid about 4-6x the minimum wage for someone living in India: $689/year. I figure that because the minimum wage figure on wikipedia includes requirements for room and board, which are free for the Pandits while they are staying in the USA. They get paid $6.60/day + room and board, which is nearly 2x the minimum wage of 118 rupees ($2.18) per day in Bihar to 185 rupees ($3.40) per day in Haryana (with local cost of living allowance included). Assume that room and board is 1/2 your income, and the Pandit's income works out to 6x the minimum wage in Bihar and 4x the minimum wage in Haryana. Not the highest wage, but by no means exploitation, either.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
Ann, I don't think turq is ALL bad and when you guys get going on one of your gang rants, it's like you all think he's all bad. For one thing, it's sloppy thinking imo. I have no desire to be on turq's team nor Judy's either. I'd like to be on that third team of reasonable and considerate people. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:56 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, I'm not pandering. And I admit I don't like it when lots of people gang up on one person. There are no gangs here Share. There are individuals who feel what they feel and write what they write. There are no groups who decide together to pick on anyone. Most here are over the age of 50 and can presumably make their own decisions, have their own opinions on and about something or someone. You are missing the boat when you decide, on principal, that you need to step in when more than one person has the same opinion about someone. Bawwy doesn't want you to defend him and he is more than likely rolling his bloodshot eyes at you when you do - not because he doesn't want people to like him but because you are about the last one here he would choose to be on his team. Sorry, but it's true. As for turq liking me, I think it's great when people like other people. But my happiness is not dependent upon it. Also, I've seen a picture of turq's family and they look nice to me. Also we've seen pictures of Maya and heard stories about their time together. What, exactly, does nice mean? How is nice relevant to anything?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
Of course it's significant, Ann! They look like nice people to me. They wouldn't live with turq if he weren't a nice person too. Nice means decent human being, treats others kindly, etc. The thing is a lot of people dump on FFL like turq does. That doesn't mean they are ALL bad. IMO! BTW, yesterday was Big Dome Cleaning. I was gone all afternoon, had dinner with friends. When I got back on my computer I had 99 emails. I'm still going through them. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:43 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, I think turq has a really nice family there in Leiden, so I don't think he's all that lonely. As for being old, we're all getting there! Bawwy's nicefamily has nothing to do with who he is as an individual Share. He is not responsible for how nice or not nice they are. They are not responsible for his life and his outlook. What the hell does this statement have to do with anything? It is like saying Bawwy has nice next door neighbors and an interesting second grade teacher. It is irrelevant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Here's the interesting thing: While painting himself and the other TM critics as practically saintly for calling attention to the dishonesty of the TMO, Barry himself continues to lie like a rug: I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. As Barry knows, here's what I said to him only a week ago, in direct response to his question: As far as the pundit program is concerned, I have no reason to believe it's valuable in terms of furthering world peace. Whether it's of value to the pundits, I have no more idea than Barry does. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/376222 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/376222 So much for what Barry calls my blind support of the pundit program.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
It is interesting how transcending can be taught to and has been taught to in different times. I was harmony singing over the lunch hour yesterday with some other conservative Fairfield meditators here and we sang this old hymn that came from the Shaker spiritual movement where the text is rejoicing in the efficacy of their movement then when they were teaching transcendence as spiritual practice in their system at that time. It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time. Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual ignorance, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
Notice that Share, without a smidgen of evidence, is accusing Ann of lying: Ann, I don't think turq is ALL bad and when you guys get going on one of your gang rants This, after Ann has just told her: There are no gangs here Share. There are individuals who feel what they feel and write what they write. There are no groups who decide together to pick on anyone. And now Share herself lies: , it's like you all think he's all bad. For one thing, it's sloppy thinking imo. As Share knows, both Ann and I have expressed appreciation for Barry's non-attack posts. I'd say the sloppy thinking is when you misrepresent what other people have said, as Share just did. I have no desire to be on turq's team nor Judy's either. I'd like to be on that third team of reasonable and considerate people. Well, at least here, maybe, we have Share's grudging admission that Barry is neither reasonable nor considerate. But we still get the lie that I have a team. If Share wants to be on that third team, she'd better clean up her act and start trying to be honest. Finally, notice that Share doesn't respond to Ann's question about what nice means (with reference to Barry's family) or how it's relevant. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:56 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, I'm not pandering. And I admit I don't like it when lots of people gang up on one person. There are no gangs here Share. There are individuals who feel what they feel and write what they write. There are no groups who decide together to pick on anyone. Most here are over the age of 50 and can presumably make their own decisions, have their own opinions on and about something or someone. You are missing the boat when you decide, on principal, that you need to step in when more than one person has the same opinion about someone. Bawwy doesn't want you to defend him and he is more than likely rolling his bloodshot eyes at you when you do - not because he doesn't want people to like him but because you are about the last one here he would choose to be on his team. Sorry, but it's true. As for turq liking me, I think it's great when people like other people. But my happiness is not dependent upon it. Also, I've seen a picture of turq's family and they look nice to me. Also we've seen pictures of Maya and heard stories about their time together. What, exactly, does nice mean? How is nice relevant to anything?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas...
THANKS for so sharing this Buck shared very well as well ! HA! HA! HO! Sent in the highest regards Bill Leed
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
But as we on FFL all know, Barry is not a decent human being. He does not treat others kindly. And of course he is chronically, fundamentally dishonest. For all we know, his family approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL. You can't tell people's character from a photograph. Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. And nobody 'dumps' on FFL like Barry does. OTOH, nobody has said he's ALL bad, either--to the contrary. Why is it so difficult for Share to say anything meaningful and relevant? It's all sidestepping and non sequiturs. Of course it's significant, Ann! They look like nice people to me. They wouldn't live with turq if he weren't a nice person too. Nice means decent human being, treats others kindly, etc. The thing is a lot of people dump on FFL like turq does. That doesn't mean they are ALL bad. IMO! BTW, yesterday was Big Dome Cleaning. I was gone all afternoon, had dinner with friends. When I got back on my computer I had 99 emails. I'm still going through them. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:43 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, I think turq has a really nice family there in Leiden, so I don't think he's all that lonely. As for being old, we're all getting there! Bawwy's nicefamily has nothing to do with who he is as an individual Share. He is not responsible for how nice or not nice they are. They are not responsible for his life and his outlook. What the hell does this statement have to do with anything? It is like saying Bawwy has nice next door neighbors and an interesting second grade teacher. It is irrelevant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is ANYONE happy with how Yahoo groups replying works?
Lawson, if you click Show message history in the Reply window before you send your post, you (and others) will be able to see what you're responding to. I can'te ven read my own replies half the time, just the apparently randomly quoted text.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Of course it's significant, Ann! They look like nice people to me. If anything could be called insignificant it would be the fact that you think you can tell nice from some photo of some kid. As far as the rest of the family I don't think I've seen what they look like and even if I did what truths could I glean from doing so? After all, you thought I was some smug Nazi from my photo I posted - so much for your powers of observation. They wouldn't live with turq if he weren't a nice person too. Nice means decent human being, treats others kindly, etc. In that we differ because Bawwy consistently shows himself to be narrow-minded, ego bound, petty, mean and very jaded which in my view is neither nice or decent. If he can carry on a civilized tea party with a five year old, all the power to him. The thing is a lot of people dump on FFL like turq does. That doesn't mean they are ALL bad. IMO! I'm not talking about dumping on FFL I am talking about having zero intention to add anything positive or even true to the mix here. He makes up shit constantly and not to be funny or playful or creative or interesting. He simply likes to paint others in a negative way or in a light to demonstrate them as inadequate in order to make himself feel good. That, to me, is perversion. BTW, yesterday was Big Dome Cleaning. I was gone all afternoon, had dinner with friends. When I got back on my computer I had 99 emails. I'm still going through them. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:43 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, I think turq has a really nice family there in Leiden, so I don't think he's all that lonely. As for being old, we're all getting there! Bawwy's nicefamily has nothing to do with who he is as an individual Share. He is not responsible for how nice or not nice they are. They are not responsible for his life and his outlook. What the hell does this statement have to do with anything? It is like saying Bawwy has nice next door neighbors and an interesting second grade teacher. It is irrelevant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What do the Pandits get paid compared to the minimum wage in India?
Of course it isn't a LIE. Put on your Big Boy pants, Barry, and stop acting like a three-year-old having a tantrum. The pandits are paid $200/month, $150 of which is sent to their family in India. The family wouldn't be getting any money if the pandits weren't earning it. (DUH) Lawson's calculations are entirely legitimate. Don't you *ever* get tired of being an apologist for the TM movement, Lawson? Your figures below are calculated on the basis of them being paid $200 per month. They aren't. They are paid $50 a month. The other $150 goes to their parents, who *sold them into this program in the first place*, and ONLY IF they complete their three-year contract. The pandits never see a penny of that $150. So your apologetics below are all based on a LIE.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
By Personality; Morris and then Hagelin below: Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault. -Buck, snip, B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote in his diary: He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely immoral but criminal. Om Shanti, It reads so Ominously similarly! A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue- This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle. [excerpts:] The indictment against Haig and his pigheaded insistence of fighting Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. Churchill dryly points out, hopes of decisive victory grew With every step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the Intelligence Department. If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it. A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig wore down alike the manhood and the guns of the British army almost to destruction. Keegan is also merciless: On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the slough of despond. Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, To persist in this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness on the part of Haig. This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes irresolution. Will and resolution
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
For outsiders looking in, 7thRay is entirely correct in comment here. Yep, TM is come under a much more empathetic and effective leadership now in John Hagelin and the people he draws around him. Still a fight in the middle about things with strict preservationists over policy and what is 'the purity of the teaching'. But the Hagelin-ites are moving forward with a trench and street-fighting of the TM-taliban side of the movement. TM in America under Hagelin is teaching about 2,000 a month now and that is growing consistently month by month and has been under Hagelin's practical and science-based guidance and supervision for quite a while. .. . “All we are saying is give Peace a chance”. Simple TM web presence is methodical, secular and effective now, http://wwv.tm.org/ http://wwv.tm.org/ http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ TM is working again as a meditator movement. The pundit program though it seems is a large program is that of a few hardcore people in TM. It will be extremely noteworthy to see what they do with the Hindu chanting and pundit program as the secular TM program is actually carrying the movement. At what point do they cut bait and fish setting lines without pundits .. . The next few e-mails coming out of the President's [Bevan's] office and from John Hagelin will be very important ones showing direction. From the outside looking in it is a lot like Kremlin-watching of what goes on inside a very small community with an old history that are our leadership. -Buck 7thRay writes: I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. turquoiseb writes: Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. : Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Another casualty of *global warming*, tires catching fire. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:26 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Taking the overall scenario described in the article, the cause of the fire - and the incapacitating fumes - is surely more likely to be an illegal and dangerous substance packed in a crate in the cargo storage area. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : WTF is *wrong* with commentators and conspiracy nuts that they forget about fuckin' Occam's Razor and common sense? http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
A hundred monkeys just flew out of my butt, for REAL. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Help me, someone, anyone, for God's sake,please, help me! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Monkeys are flying out of my butt. For REAL! So, I wonder why nobody else ever reported these momentous events on Sci-Skeptic. Go figure. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@n... wrote: Unc, other than one other response to this thread (the one who said his brother did it pre-TM 20 feet down the road or something like that), you are the very first person who I have ever heard of that has claimed to have witnessed first-hand actual levitation. As such, I feel compelled to ask you for much more detail to your experience, please. No problem. When did this happen? Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981. Where? Actual city/state and location (i.e. house, ashram, type of room, etc.) Dozens of locations. The first time, in the Los Angeles Convention Center. In the buildings we were using for our weekly meetings. In the desert. Once in a Denny's in the dead of night when no customers or waiters were around. :-) Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. Who exactly did the levitating. Rama. Dr. Frederick Lenz. Crazy Fred. As far as I know, he never practiced any techniques to make it happen. As he explained it, he just woke up one day and remembered how to do it. Something from a past life. He never taught how to do it to any of his students, as far as I know. Was it photographed/videotaped and if not, why not? No, and I don't know why not. He didn't believe very much in trying to document any of the things he could do. His theory was that this stuff is hard enough to believe if it's happening right in front of your face in the same room you are in (a statement I can attest to the truth of). So who's going to believe a videotape? Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. What was the circumstances of the manifestation, that is, was it in front of many people, just yourself...was the lighting and the surroundings such that it couldn't be faked, etc. All the settings mentioned before, so setup or prep required. In the one at Denny's a bunch of us were sitting around one of those round tables at 4:00 in the morning and all the waitresses disappeared, probably to grab a quick cigarette in the kitchen, and he smiled and just lifted up off the naugahyde diner seat and hovered there for about 30 seconds, grinning to beat all. :-) I ask this because on my last trip to Las Vegas I visited one of those magic kiosks where they sell magic tricks and I actually saw a magician demonstate a trick that he was selling to the public in which he makes a coin levitate and spin right in front of you (and for the hell of it, I could NOT figure out how he did it but I DO know that it was some sort of magic technique and NOT actual levitation). My roommate during my last year with the TM organization was an airbrush artist who did costumes for Doug Henning. So Doug would come over to the house a lot and would show us some close-up magic. I know he was most famous for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to move around and look at his hands from any angle I chose, and I still couldn't figure out how he did it. I will admit for the sake of intellectual openness that some trick could have been involved in what Rama did, but I honestly don't think there was any. The variety of the settings and the spontaneity with which he'd decide to do this stuff disallows any preparation or equipment. I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. This is why I never got on on the TMO, they think they know it all when really they are floundering in the dark. If you want examples I've got millions. It's the fundamentalist religious world view that depresses me and not the people that try and see through it. Anyone who challenges the people who make money keeping good
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sweet Baby Rhino Dreams
A.. the miracle of life. I saw the cutness of the photo, just found humorous, the idea of the baby rhino *foraging a vegetarian meal* LOL! As if he were just like us, living in *harmony with nature*. Now, does he take his vegan meal with vata or kapha churna? On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:41 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Well, they certainly don't play them like a trumpet! How else would a rhino use it's horn? Yes, they do get into nasty bouts with young elephants who in turn try to bully them back. You just need to watch a little more Animal Planet ! Well Dixon, some people are able to understand and feel the miracle of animals and some are destined to see them as eating and shitting machines intent on goring and wreaking general havoc on the planet. Too bad for you, you're missing out big time. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:06 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: That isn't how rhinos use their horns, Mike. And of course elephants are not a threat to rhinos. http://www.ehow.com/info_8069360_do-rhinos-use-horns.html LOL, Judy of course. I just thought it sounded so* innocent*. The little bastard will probably grow up to gore numerous young elephants and anything else that gets in it's way. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You didn't know rhinos were herbivores, Mike? foraging for it's next *vegetarian* meal? LOL! On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:21 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yusuf, a keeper, sleeps with three orphaned baby rhinos at the Lewa Wildlife Conservancy in northern Kenya. The youngest rhino on the right was orphaned when poachers killed his mother on Ol Pejeta Conservancy. The largest rhino, Nicky, is not an orphan but is being hand-raised because her mother is partially blind. http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/03/18/faces-of-the-day-105/ Thank God that for every poacher, for every animal abuser, for every human who finds pleasure in tormenting another animal there are 500 who will give their time, energy and intention to rid the world of unnecessary suffering of those splendid, loving, rare creatures that surround us. Just look at that sleeping rhino's eye and understand he/she dreams of nothing more threatening and harmful than the plains of Africa or where to forage for its next vegetarian meal. And those ears - little trumpets. The rings around the eyes that make one so young look so old - almost as old as the dinosaurs. But the horn, the thing that dooms this little fellow and others like him because of some antiquated notion of magic potion that enhances fertility. If anyone wants to get excited about woo woo let this be the cause that might compel one to counteract such ignorance with a vengeance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Oh c'mon, the folks bashing yagyas and sidhis and the rest, ARE NOT on the forefront of some new revelation - It is the same old shit I have been reading about for years. The reality that you and a couple of others are able to look at these elements, objectively, finally, and find a flaw or two, is not news. It is boring, and like watching 3rd graders delight in simple math. Nope, what I see here, is a lot of distraction and misdirection from personal issues. I do quite agree that something has happened to Barry, in the past, most likely with a woman, and he hasn't been the same since. I could not care less about anyone saying negative crap about the TMO, or even a reasoned argument, as you have written. Doesn't matter to me. I don't have anything to do with the TMO - Just like the critics. I am looking for some personal honesty, though, and I don't turn away from seeing someone as clearly damaged as Barry is, simply because he draws an image of Maharishi butt-fucking the Pope. I continue to focus on the damage, and not the distraction. Get it? I hope so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating?Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it. On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael,You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
On 3/19/2014 10:45 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: So, it doesn't work that way. People are attracted to leaders, and those with full hearts. The ones that live in the dark world of criticizing everything, want others to look up to them, but they are consistently crawling around on the ground, making such a desire impossible. Post of the month, maybe of the year so far. Good work, Doc, I mean it. Good work, Doc!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
turq, I saw that post to Steve so it must have made it to email. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:20 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
[FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce psychological stress and stress-related health problems. To counsel people appropriately, clinicians need to know what the evidence says about the health benefits of meditation. Objective To determine the efficacy of meditation programs in improving stress-related outcomes (anxiety, depression, stress/distress, positive mood, mental health–related quality of life, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, pain, and weight) in diverse adult clinical populations. Evidence Review We identified randomized clinical trials with active controls for placebo effects through November 2012 from MEDLINE, PsycINFO, EMBASE, PsycArticles, Scopus, CINAHL, AMED, the Cochrane Library, and hand searches. Two independent reviewers screened citations and extracted data. We graded the strength of evidence using 4 domains (risk of bias, precision, directness, and consistency) and determined the magnitude and direction of effect by calculating the relative difference between groups in change from baseline. When possible, we conducted meta-analyses using standardized mean differences to obtain aggregate estimates of effect size with 95% confidence intervals. Findings After reviewing 18 753 citations, we included 47 trials with 3515 participants. Mindfulness meditation programs had moderate evidence of improved anxiety (effect size, 0.38 [95% CI, 0.12-0.64] at 8 weeks and 0.22 [0.02-0.43] at 3-6 months), depression (0.30 [0.00-0.59] at 8 weeks and 0.23 [0.05-0.42] at 3-6 months), and pain (0.33 [0.03- 0.62]) and low evidence of improved stress/distress and mental health–related quality of life. We found low evidence of no effect or insufficient evidence of any effect of meditation programs on positive mood, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, and weight. We found no evidence that meditation programs were better than any active treatment (ie, drugs, exercise, and other behavioral therapies). Conclusions and Relevance Clinicians should be aware that meditation programs can result in small to moderate reductions of multiple negative dimensions of psychological stress. Thus, clinicians should be prepared to talk with their patients about the role that a meditation program could have in addressing psychological stress. Stronger study designs are needed to determine the effects of meditation programs in improving the positive dimensions of mental health and stress-related behavior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Made it to the Web site, too. turq, I saw that post to Steve so it must have made it to email. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:20 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce psychological stress and stress-related health problems. To counsel people appropriately, clinicians need to know what the evidence says about the health benefits of meditation. Objective To determine the efficacy of meditation programs in improving stress-related outcomes (anxiety, depression, stress/distress, positive mood, mental health–related quality of life, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, pain, and weight) in diverse adult clinical populations. Evidence Review We identified randomized clinical trials with active controls for placebo effects through November 2012 from MEDLINE, PsycINFO, EMBASE, PsycArticles, Scopus, CINAHL, AMED, the Cochrane Library, and hand searches. Two independent reviewers screened citations and extracted data. We graded the strength of evidence using 4 domains (risk of bias, precision, directness, and consistency) and determined the magnitude and direction of effect by calculating the relative difference between groups in change from baseline. When possible, we conducted meta-analyses using standardized mean differences to obtain aggregate estimates of effect size with 95% confidence intervals. Findings After reviewing 18 753 citations, we included 47 trials with 3515 participants. Mindfulness meditation programs had moderate evidence of improved anxiety (effect size, 0.38 [95% CI, 0.12-0.64] at 8 weeks and 0.22 [0.02-0.43] at 3-6 months), depression (0.30 [0.00-0.59] at 8 weeks and 0.23 [0.05-0.42] at 3-6 months), and pain (0.33 [0.03- 0.62]) and low evidence of improved stress/distress and mental health–related quality of life. We found low evidence of no effect or insufficient evidence of any effect of meditation programs on positive mood, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, and weight. We found no evidence that meditation programs were better than any active treatment (ie, drugs, exercise, and other behavioral therapies). Conclusions and Relevance Clinicians should be aware that meditation programs can result in small to moderate reductions of multiple negative dimensions of psychological stress. Thus, clinicians should be prepared to talk with their patients about the role that a meditation program could have in addressing psychological stress. Stronger study designs are needed to determine the effects of meditation programs in improving the positive dimensions of mental health and stress-related behavior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
But turq, right here, you are doing what you accuse TBers of! You're putting an interpretation, a spin, and a negative one at that, on someone else's interpretation of events! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Well, that's just obvious! Non of this could have happened unless nature wanted it to happen. I'll bet there's some jyotishi out there that can back this up with the facts( alignment of the planets and stars). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson, not Judy, not Jim Flanegin/Doctordumbass, not Nabby -- NO ONE. That's because they can't. The ONLY reason they blindly support this fairly obvious form of modern slavery and cynical exploitation of the gullible is because of one word -- Maharishisez. This is why I never got on
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Ok, finally we're getting into the deep stuff! God or nature wants bad things to happen and that's why they do. Mike, I didn't realize you're an atheist. PS It's plane not plain. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:47 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's just obvious! Non of this could have happened unless nature wanted it to happen. I'll bet there's some jyotishi out there that can back this up with the facts( alignment of the planets and stars). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
From: e Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. In other words, you reserve the right to disregard anything said by an individual or group of individuals if they say something you disagree with, because this disagreement indicates that they are not trustworthy, no matter how scientific and objective it seems to be. Did I get that right? You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. They go out of their way to portray you as stupid and clueless, in the hope that other people will start to write off anything you say as something they should look askance on. Especially liking one of the people they dislike. With other people, they try to portray them as liars, with the same intent. Is this really the approach you wish to embrace? It seems to me that a more intelligent approach would be to judge each post or piece of data that appears before you on its own merits, regardless of who said it. The alternative seems to indicate a willingness to revere cult apologetic tactics and adopt them as your own. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce psychological stress and stress-related health problems. To counsel people appropriately, clinicians need to know what the evidence says about the health benefits of meditation. Objective To determine the efficacy of meditation programs in improving stress-related outcomes (anxiety, depression, stress/distress, positive mood, mental health–related quality of life, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, pain, and weight) in diverse adult clinical populations. Evidence Review We identified randomized clinical trials with active controls for placebo effects through November 2012 from MEDLINE, PsycINFO, EMBASE, PsycArticles, Scopus, CINAHL, AMED, the Cochrane Library, and hand searches. Two independent reviewers screened citations and extracted data. We graded the strength of evidence using 4 domains (risk of bias, precision, directness, and consistency) and determined the magnitude and direction of effect by calculating the relative difference between groups in change from baseline. When possible, we conducted meta-analyses using standardized mean differences to obtain aggregate estimates of effect size with 95% confidence intervals. Findings After reviewing 18 753 citations, we included 47 trials with 3515 participants. Mindfulness meditation programs had moderate evidence of improved anxiety (effect size, 0.38 [95% CI, 0.12-0.64] at 8 weeks and 0.22 [0.02-0.43] at 3-6 months), depression (0.30 [0.00-0.59] at 8 weeks and 0.23 [0.05-0.42] at 3-6 months), and pain (0.33 [0.03- 0.62]) and low evidence of improved stress/distress and mental health–related quality of life. We found low evidence of no effect or insufficient evidence of any effect of meditation programs on positive mood, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, and weight. We found no evidence that meditation programs were better than any active treatment (ie, drugs, exercise, and other behavioral therapies). Conclusions and Relevance Clinicians should be aware that meditation programs can result in small to moderate reductions of multiple negative dimensions of psychological stress. Thus, clinicians should be prepared to talk with their patients about the role that a meditation program could have in addressing psychological stress. Stronger study designs are needed to determine the effects of meditation programs in improving the positive dimensions of mental health and stress-related behavior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Why the left turn, down a dirt road? What you have written, has nothing to do with what I have written. I have no idea how to respond to you. Please examine your assumptions, below, and get back to me, if you want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision and freedom of thought to explore whatever avenue they wanted. It's that that enriches the world not new age foolishness. That, like all religion, holds you still and unevolving, not even question whether Your own ideas are correct. Some enlightenment I find it interesting that so far in all of this pandit kerfuffle, NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS PROPOSED A REASON WHY THE PUNDITS' CHANTING WOULD DO *ANYTHING* OF VALUE. Not one. Not Lawson,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Well... it's a plain plane and it's all karma! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:52 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok, finally we're getting into the deep stuff! God or nature wants bad things to happen and that's why they do. Mike, I didn't realize you're an atheist. PS It's plane not plain. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:47 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's just obvious! Non of this could have happened unless nature wanted it to happen. I'll bet there's some jyotishi out there that can back this up with the facts( alignment of the planets and stars). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Now we're getting somewhere! And we didn't need to take a plane or walk on a plain. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:02 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Well... it's a plain plane and it's all karma! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:52 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok, finally we're getting into the deep stuff! God or nature wants bad things to happen and that's why they do. Mike, I didn't realize you're an atheist. PS It's plane not plain. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:47 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, that's just obvious! Non of this could have happened unless nature wanted it to happen. I'll bet there's some jyotishi out there that can back this up with the facts( alignment of the planets and stars). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
Ok, turq, good point. And I admit it's more than just the AMA's stance on GMO labeling. I tend to be negative about allopathic medicine. One big reason: my Mom is 84 and currently taking about 12 medicines. She's taken a thyroid medicine for over 40 years! Admittedly some of these drugs have lengthened her life. But now, when she has a crisis, they just add another drug and then she has to deal with new side effects, new worries about combining drugs. I recently read an article saying that US is number 1 in spending on health but very low down the list in terms of having a healthy population. In fact, the US spends more than the next 10 countries combined! I don't think that reflects well on the AMA. But still you make a good point and I will be aware of my own bias when I read stuff from AMA and put a crowbar in the door of my mind! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: e Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. In other words, you reserve the right to disregard anything said by an individual or group of individuals if they say something you disagree with, because this disagreement indicates that they are not trustworthy, no matter how scientific and objective it seems to be. Did I get that right? You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. They go out of their way to portray you as stupid and clueless, in the hope that other people will start to write off anything you say as something they should look askance on. Especially liking one of the people they dislike. With other people, they try to portray them as liars, with the same intent. Is this really the approach you wish to embrace? It seems to me that a more intelligent approach would be to judge each post or piece of data that appears before you on its own merits, regardless of who said it. The alternative seems to indicate a willingness to revere cult apologetic tactics and adopt them as your own. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce psychological stress and stress-related health problems. To counsel people appropriately, clinicians need to know what the evidence says about the health benefits of meditation. Objective To determine the efficacy of meditation programs in improving stress-related outcomes (anxiety, depression, stress/distress, positive mood, mental health–related quality of life, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, pain, and weight) in diverse adult clinical populations. Evidence Review We identified randomized clinical trials with active controls for placebo effects through November 2012 from MEDLINE, PsycINFO, EMBASE, PsycArticles, Scopus, CINAHL, AMED, the Cochrane Library, and hand searches. Two independent reviewers screened citations and extracted data. We graded the strength of evidence using 4 domains (risk of bias, precision, directness, and consistency) and determined the magnitude and direction of effect by calculating the relative difference between groups in change from baseline. When possible, we conducted meta-analyses using standardized mean differences to obtain aggregate estimates of effect size with 95% confidence intervals. Findings After reviewing 18 753 citations, we included 47 trials with 3515 participants. Mindfulness meditation programs had moderate evidence of improved anxiety (effect size, 0.38 [95% CI, 0.12-0.64] at 8 weeks and 0.22 [0.02-0.43] at 3-6 months), depression (0.30 [0.00-0.59] at 8 weeks and 0.23 [0.05-0.42] at 3-6 months), and pain (0.33 [0.03- 0.62]) and low evidence of improved stress/distress and mental health–related quality of life. We found low evidence of no effect or insufficient evidence of any effect of meditation programs on positive mood, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, and weight. We found no evidence that meditation programs were better than any active treatment (ie, drugs, exercise, and other behavioral
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:58 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Why the left turn, down a dirt road? What you have written, has nothing to do with what I have written. I have no idea how to respond to you. Please examine your assumptions, below, and get back to me, if you want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done so to admit that they *are* lies. Who was it discovered the gravity waves that prove universal inflation after the big bang, the pope? some pandit in a cave chanting 1500 year old poems? John Hagelin? No, it was someone with vision
[FairfieldLife] Time for that old Aretha Franklin classic: D-E-F-L-E-C-T
D-E-F-L-E-C-T That's what challenge means to me D-E-F-L-E-C-T Take heart, TBs Now that criticism of the TM movement has hit the fan again, I figured it was time for a post to remind the True Believers how they should react to it. This information has been posted before, but some may have forgotten it, so ignore the repetition the same way you ignored Maharishi giving the same introductory talks for 40 years. Don't worry your little heads about the criticisms themselves. You know they aren't true, because you just know those kinda things. Instead, do what True Believers such as yourself have done for centuries, and D-E-F-L-E-C-T. Don't meet the criticism head=on, and try to dispute it. Instead, D-E-F-L-E-C-T, and do something to steer the conversation away from the current criticism and focus it elsewhere. There are many tried-and-true methods of doing this, but here are a few of the best, just in case you've forgotten them. * Shoot the messenger. Do anything you can to demonize the person or persons making the criticisms. Your goal here is to undermine their credibility and get other people on the forum to ignore what they're saying. * Call them liars. One of the best methods of sabotaging a critic's credibility is to pretend that he or she is a chronic liar. The lurking TBs you're trying to appeal to would rather believe that the critics *are* lying than believe the criticism anyway, so if you call them liars enough times, the TBs will stop listening to them. * Call them crazy. Speculate about the horrible things that happened to them in the past that made them this way. If you're of the Willytex persuasion, you can even make up crazy shit. All that's important is that a few fellow TBs see them as psychologically disturbed. * Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best is some kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something they posted that doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters -- all involved in a meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing to do with the original criticism, they aren't involved in the criticism. You've won. * Trash their supporters. Anyone who says anything positive about the critics you're trying to silence is your enemy, and thus Fair Game. * Do all of these things while claiming that the criticism itself -- the thing that has your panties in a twist and halfway up your anal canal -- isn't what you're really responding to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sweet Baby Rhino Dreams
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : A.. the miracle of life. I saw the cutness of the photo, just found humorous, the idea of the baby rhino *foraging a vegetarian meal* LOL! As if he were just like us, living in *harmony with nature*. Thankfully not just like us. Human beings are probably the furthest from living in harmony with nature than any other mammal alive on this planet TM'ers included. Now, does he take his vegan meal with vata or kapha churna? On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:41 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Well, they certainly don't play them like a trumpet! How else would a rhino use it's horn? Yes, they do get into nasty bouts with young elephants who in turn try to bully them back. You just need to watch a little more Animal Planet ! Well Dixon, some people are able to understand and feel the miracle of animals and some are destined to see them as eating and shitting machines intent on goring and wreaking general havoc on the planet. Too bad for you, you're missing out big time. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:06 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: That isn't how rhinos use their horns, Mike. And of course elephants are not a threat to rhinos. http://www.ehow.com/info_8069360_do-rhinos-use-horns.html http://www.ehow.com/info_8069360_do-rhinos-use-horns.html LOL, Judy of course. I just thought it sounded so* innocent*. The little bastard will probably grow up to gore numerous young elephants and anything else that gets in it's way. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: You didn't know rhinos were herbivores, Mike? foraging for it's next *vegetarian* meal? LOL! On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:21 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yusuf, a keeper, sleeps with three orphaned baby rhinos at the Lewa Wildlife Conservancy in northern Kenya. The youngest rhino on the right was orphaned when poachers killed his mother on Ol Pejeta Conservancy. The largest rhino, Nicky, is not an orphan but is being hand-raised because her mother is partially blind. http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/03/18/faces-of-the-day-105/ http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/03/18/faces-of-the-day-105/ Thank God that for every poacher, for every animal abuser, for every human who finds pleasure in tormenting another animal there are 500 who will give their time, energy and intention to rid the world of unnecessary suffering of those splendid, loving, rare creatures that surround us. Just look at that sleeping rhino's eye and understand he/she dreams of nothing more threatening and harmful than the plains of Africa or where to forage for its next vegetarian meal. And those ears - little trumpets. The rings around the eyes that make one so young look so old - almost as old as the dinosaurs. But the horn, the thing that dooms this little fellow and others like him because of some antiquated notion of magic potion that enhances fertility. If anyone wants to get excited about woo woo let this be the cause that might compel one to counteract such ignorance with a vengeance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another view of the Maharishi pandit program
I wouldn't say this nitwit was spinning the riot in a positive light, Michael. That's what Barry had claimed folks on FFL were doing. Low numbers in the domes and rakshasas stirring up the pandits aren't what I would call positive, but YMMV... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Maybe no one here on FFL is trying to spin it, but other folks sure are - I heard from one sidha in Wash DC who believes that rakshasas are always hovering around Fairfield trying to undo Marshy's wonderful work, and the low numbers in the Domes was responsible for the riot since the pundits were not having enough saatva around 'em. He ignored my point that 300 pundits plus another 200 in the Domes equals about 5 and a half percent of the total population in Fairfield, far more than the square root of one percent needed to make a great demonstrable difference in society in a given geographical location, nor my suggestion that the idea of low numbers allowing demons to git the pundits and stir 'em up is like saying that he in DC must have X number of sidhas around him or he might go rob and kill someone. He also told me that since I am not willing to have positive thoughts about the riot and what the TMO is doing about it, I am in league with the demons too, a thought I am sure Nabby and Buck have already thought many a time. Others in the Movement are also making excuses for all the bs that Goldstein and Revolinski have put forward, being sure that as he put it, Maharishi's Movement knows what it's doing On Wed, 3/19/14, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another view of the Maharishi pandit program To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 6:54 PM Who here, exactly, is trying to spin the recent pundit riots in a positive light? Let's have some names, and some quotes showing the spinning. Oh, and let's have quotes from my posts showing that I've been trying to pretend that well-to-do white people *aren't* paying to have young brown-skinned guys chant for them to cure them of their ills and supposedly create world peace...when they're not busy rioting. Hmm, you can't come up with any such quotes to support either of your claims, can you? IOW, you are, as I said a post or two ago, lying through your teeth. You don't, in fact, give a shit for the poor Indian boys. The reason you love this story is because it gives you something substantial to dump on the TMO and TMers about. And you will therefore do your damndest to make the story sound as lurid as possible while demonizing the TMers here and lying repeatedly to make it appear that they're enthusiastic supporters of the program who are trying to obscure its negative aspects. For fuck's sake, far from trying to spin the pundit riots in a positive light, I've posted two of the Gazette articles from which you've taken much of your negative information, and I've made a number of critical comments about the program. I don't know, any more than you do, whether the program is as awful as you claim. But I sure as hell am not going to take your word for the accuracy of those claims, not when you can't keep yourself from lying about my participation in this discussion. The pressure is on you, not me or anybody else, to tell an honest story. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to keep the pressure on the cult apologists trying to spin the recent pandit riots in Fairfield in a positive light, I'd like to expand upon two recent statements I've made today, and then continue with a little less favorably spun version of facts presented in media articles over the last few months: Whereas women in their 7th decade [Judy Stein] seem to spend their time pretending that well-to-do white people *aren't* paying to have young brown-skinned guys chant for them to cure them of their ills and supposedly create world peace...when they're not busy rioting. :-) In other words, the systematized racism here is on the part of the TM organization, which seems to think it's OK to take advantage of poverty and desperation of poor Indian parents to persuade them to sell their children into indentured servitude. And who then take advantage of gullible TMers by suckering them into paying *huge* prices for so-called yagyas from these indentured servants, while paying the poor Indian boys $50 a month and locking them in barbed-wire compounds. Everything said above is from the articles surrounding the pandit program, either the earlier articles about a number of pandits trying to escape from their compound, or the more recent articles about their riot. What Judy and
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
Barry sez: You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. Um, no, it isn't. You've got Share right, but not her critics (or your critics, for that matter). In fact, in this post you are doing precisely what you accuse your and Share's critics of doing: trying to persuade others to write off anything your critics say as something they should look askance on (I think you meant to write at). Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. In other words, you reserve the right to disregard anything said by an individual or group of individuals if they say something you disagree with, because this disagreement indicates that they are not trustworthy, no matter how scientific and objective it seems to be. Did I get that right? You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. They go out of their way to portray you as stupid and clueless, in the hope that other people will start to write off anything you say as something they should look askance on. Especially liking one of the people they dislike. With other people, they try to portray them as liars, with the same intent. Is this really the approach you wish to embrace? It seems to me that a more intelligent approach would be to judge each post or piece of data that appears before you on its own merits, regardless of who said it. The alternative seems to indicate a willingness to revere cult apologetic tactics and adopt them as your own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Do you remember why he said he had gone over the top, Share? Also--one more time--nobody says anybody on FFL is ALL bad. That's a straw man, and you need to drop it. As for demonizing people, who would you say does that here more than anybody else? Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for that old Aretha Franklin classic: D-E-F-L-E-C-T
Note that this entire post is Barry's attempt to D-E-F-L-E-C-T justified criticisms of himself. (Somebody help him get his twisted panties out of his anal canal!) D-E-F-L-E-C-T That's what challenge means to me D-E-F-L-E-C-T Take heart, TBs Now that criticism of the TM movement has hit the fan again, I figured it was time for a post to remind the True Believers how they should react to it. This information has been posted before, but some may have forgotten it, so ignore the repetition the same way you ignored Maharishi giving the same introductory talks for 40 years. Don't worry your little heads about the criticisms themselves. You know they aren't true, because you just know those kinda things. Instead, do what True Believers such as yourself have done for centuries, and D-E-F-L-E-C-T. Don't meet the criticism head=on, and try to dispute it. Instead, D-E-F-L-E-C-T, and do something to steer the conversation away from the current criticism and focus it elsewhere. There are many tried-and-true methods of doing this, but here are a few of the best, just in case you've forgotten them. * Shoot the messenger. Do anything you can to demonize the person or persons making the criticisms. Your goal here is to undermine their credibility and get other people on the forum to ignore what they're saying. * Call them liars. One of the best methods of sabotaging a critic's credibility is to pretend that he or she is a chronic liar. The lurking TBs you're trying to appeal to would rather believe that the critics *are* lying than believe the criticism anyway, so if you call them liars enough times, the TBs will stop listening to them. * Call them crazy. Speculate about the horrible things that happened to them in the past that made them this way. If you're of the Willytex persuasion, you can even make up crazy shit. All that's important is that a few fellow TBs see them as psychologically disturbed. * Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best is some kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something they posted that doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters -- all involved in a meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing to do with the original criticism, they aren't involved in the criticism. You've won. * Trash their supporters. Anyone who says anything positive about the critics you're trying to silence is your enemy, and thus Fair Game. * Do all of these things while claiming that the criticism itself -- the thing that has your panties in a twist and halfway up your anal canal -- isn't what you're really responding to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Share, you are aware that both Mike and Barry were being (what they thought was) funny, right? But turq, right here, you are doing what you accuse TBers of! You're putting an interpretation, a spin, and a negative one at that, on someone else's interpretation of events! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating?Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] A wish: to have as much creativity and joy as John McLaughlin in old age
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : HA! Gotcha!:-) Yes, the ladder of TC, CC, and UC, is merely to establish a sequence, to better understand our expression of love, as you mention, more and more fully. Simply an intellectual aid, to understanding the experiences, relative to us. Yes, nothing to get hung up about, or concerned about the length, or sequence, of such experiences, as might map, to TC/CC/UC. The reason I do not include GC, as sequential to the others, is that it is concerned with the universal heart development, that you mentioned - the direct experience of the universal, and happens at any time. So, even if the goal is to reach a place of complete acceptance, for ourselves, and everything we encounter, while actively being in the world (which you and I certainly are), it is helpful to have, at least, a partial framework, to see how expanding our awareness, aids us, in fulfilling that goal. But, the fulfillment of TCGCCCUC - lol - is - as you say - beyond any of them. They don't need to exist as benchmarks, or milestones, and can become a big distraction. Where we belong, in the creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful life that you describe, has nothing to do with chasing or evaluating these states. It simply is, and that is enough. As for the almost sexual nature of universal love, yes, that is what it is like, only after it becomes more full, and stable, all of the chakras fully and naturally light up (which we then also forget about), and you now have a means of channeling such energy, as I often do, into my creative work, and humor. Well Doc, if you're enlightened then that is cool and you seem like one of the most balanced and normal people here. You have a life, apparently, and you have balance. You are funny, strong and interesting. Whether you're beautiful or not I don't know but for all I know you're a living Adonis! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : apples and oranges, Ann. Enlightenment does exist, and is quite real. However with the modern technique for householders available, it is no longer necessary to have a personal guru, to achieve such a state of refinement of the nervous system, and consequent liberation. Better to ignore the books and teachers. I am open to the possibility it does exist but I am just not convinced it can be categorized in simplistic terms and with distinct boundaries as defined by terms like CC, GC etc.. There exists a realm where pure love dwells and is available - I have experienced it. I have felt where every object in the room envelopes one with the intense feeling of peace and exquisite, intense feeling that most closely resembles a sort of sexual climax - only it lasts and lasts and is not sexual at all. I also think there may be an experience the mind and intellect can have that embraces the equivalent of this physical sensation but I would not be able to tell if another was having it and certainly watching that video of Chinmoy yesterday supposedly meditating and radiating bliss just looked like a crazy drugged guy sitting there completely out of it. So, I have no proof of this state as a permanent or prominent manifestation of enlightenment in others and therefore I stick with my theory that there is no such thing as outlined in books and by spiritual teachers and I have yet to meet anyone I could recognize as enlightened yet. Creative, intelligent, brilliant, beautiful yes, but enlightened - no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : if you feel that way then why waste time worrying about what I think of Nabby's penchant for praising people who are the kind of fakes and abusers you have had to deal with yourself? Seems to be you doing the same thing you accuse me of. Making a single post about how I feel about others foibles and failings as human beings does not equate to worrying about what you think. I am responding to your response about Chinmoy; I was talking about how I rationalize and approach all of the stupid things people do in their lives whether they claim to be enlightened or not. Basically, that state doesn't exist and the sooner people realize it and stop throwing themselves at these people's feet the sooner we can all stop blaming these guys for misleading us and being such lying, womanizing charlatans or whatever you and others choose to call them. I guess I just don't relate to the hanging on to disappointment about failed gurus and spiritual teachers and I don't make their failings with my resultant need to expose them as a reason to get out of bed in the morning. But you're welcome to it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Share, this is all in your own mind and if I saw a post like that come out of me, I would take a serious look at the assumptions behind it in my own head and heart. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:58 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Why the left turn, down a dirt road? What you have written, has nothing to do with what I have written. I have no idea how to respond to you. Please examine your assumptions, below, and get back to me, if you want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Doc, turq did admit to his over the topness at some point in the pundit discussions. I think that's healthy. Do you remember that? No one on FFL is ALL bad. Plus I don't think it's useful to demonize anyone. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:51 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: What I am waiting for, Barry, is to hear about your past relationships, with women. I am pretty sure you have not been married before, but if so, SHE dumped you, and that may be the problem with you, right there (they are all cunts and bitches, huh?). Without therapy and a lot of soul searching, such a stressful event could result in you being as sadistic, abusive, self-distracting, and at the same time, scared to death, as you are. Enjoy your day - I'll keep working on this. To help yourself out, I would suggest recognizing the distractions, which come out of your mouth, and shutting them down, until you have faced your past emotional trauma. Thank you for calling me by name - it spurs my interest, in revealing you, to yourself. Love, Doc ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice [Salyavin's] Comments in red Mine in this color ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There are a few here, that take great delight in bashing meditation programs they do not participate in. Are we reading different forums? Who are these people? I see a bit of criticism of things unrelated to meditation, like the ridiculous claims of yagyas and world peace creation that have nothing to do with TM but arose as cash-creation schemes that are successful only because people brought into the belief system espoused by Marshy. Anyone taking a long, cold look at any of these add-on claims is rapidly disillusioned. I would go so far as to suggest that after decades of buying into the bamboozlement perpetrated by Maharishi and the TM movement to come up with these cash-creation schemes, most True Believers are *incapable* of taking a long, cold look at much of anything. Just look at Lawson's post this morning -- a huge, steaming shitpile of justifications and apologetics ALL BASED ON A LIE. Same folks that get pissed at others for taking attention away from them. These folks have nothing to offer - no skills, no abilities, no outside interests. They just like to create doubt, and confusion, to mirror their own. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Maybe people who have seen through something you fervently believe without any evidence is doing you a favour in bringing it to your attention? The True Believers cannot possibly accept that those bringing these things to their attention are correct. To do so would mean that they were w...w...w...WRONG. Can't have that. Their True Believerism is a perverted form of ego-protection. They have identified themselves with what they believe in so long that they cannot possibly separate the two any more. Any perceived criticism of the belief system/organization they've come to identify with as an extension of their self is perceived as a criticism of their self. Perhaps if they could convince just one person of their cynical and depressing view of the world, they win. Sadly, there is no way to convince another human being of the error of their ways, without providing an alternative. Sorry to labour the point but a life free of being ripped off by bogus and deluded holy men is a life of joy and wonder, just think of what you can find out if you aren't encumbered by dogma, there's a fascinating world out there. Naturally, I agree. Who would WANT a life based on a series of lies? Obviously, only those who have bought into those lies for so long that they would have to admit to having done
[FairfieldLife] Today is the Vernal Equinox
Lest we forget, happy spring day to everyone! Congratulations to those who've weathered through the tough winter season.
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
Let's not forget that the AMA stands in the way of the US having Single Payer Healthcare, the kind you tout so much about being available in Europe. They stand in the way of training more doctors. One thing we can say about the AMA: it's all about money. Maybe they're really the American Money Association. :-D On 03/20/2014 07:49 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: *From:* e Long sharelon...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. In other words, you reserve the right to disregard anything said by an individual or group of individuals if they say something you disagree with, because this disagreement indicates that they are not trustworthy, no matter how scientific and objective it seems to be. Did I get that right? You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. They go out of their way to portray you as stupid and clueless, in the hope that other people will start to write off anything you say as something they should look askance on. Especially liking one of the people they dislike. With other people, they try to portray them as liars, with the same intent. Is this really the approach you wish to embrace? It seems to me that a more intelligent approach would be to judge each post or piece of data that appears before you on its own merits, regardless of who said it. The alternative seems to indicate a willingness to revere cult apologetic tactics and adopt them as your own. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce psychological stress and stress-related health problems. To counsel people appropriately, clinicians need to know what the evidence says about the health benefits of meditation. Objective To determine the efficacy of meditation programs in improving stress-related outcomes (anxiety, depression, stress/distress, positive mood, mental health–related quality of life, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, pain, and weight) in diverse adult clinical populations. Evidence Review We identified randomized clinical trials with active controls for placebo effects through November 2012 from MEDLINE, PsycINFO, EMBASE, PsycArticles, Scopus, CINAHL, AMED, the Cochrane Library, and hand searches. Two independent reviewers screened citations and extracted data. We graded the strength of evidence using 4 domains (risk of bias, precision, directness, and consistency) and determined the magnitude and direction of effect by calculating the relative difference between groups in change from baseline. When possible, we conducted meta-analyses using standardized mean differences to obtain aggregate estimates of effect size with 95% confidence intervals. Findings After reviewing 18 753 citations, we included 47 trials with 3515 participants. Mindfulness meditation programs had moderate evidence of improved anxiety (effect size, 0.38 [95% CI, 0.12-0.64] at 8 weeks and 0.22 [0.02-0.43] at 3-6 months), depression (0.30 [0.00-0.59] at 8 weeks and 0.23 [0.05-0.42] at 3-6 months), and pain (0.33 [0.03- 0.62]) and low evidence of improved stress/distress and mental health–related quality of life. We found low evidence of no effect or insufficient evidence of any effect of meditation programs on positive mood, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, and weight. We found no evidence that meditation programs were better than any active treatment (ie, drugs, exercise, and other behavioral therapies). Conclusions and Relevance Clinicians should be aware that meditation programs can result in small to moderate reductions of multiple negative dimensions of psychological stress. Thus, clinicians should be prepared to talk with their patients about the role that a meditation program could have in addressing psychological stress. Stronger study designs are needed to determine the effects of meditation programs in improving the positive dimensions of mental health and stress-related behavior.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
On 3/20/2014 8:57 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. In the hijacked plane held for ransom theory, the flight recorders would have been destroyed days ago. Go figure. “It takes a great deal of coordination to hide a plane,” he said. CBS DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/19/expert-believes-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-being-held-for-ransom/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is ANYONE happy with how Yahoo groups replying works?
Any particular reason you're not using an email client instead? On 03/20/2014 02:33 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: I can'te ven read my own replies half the time, just the apparently randomly quoted text.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Today is the Vernal Equinox
Happy first day of spring, John! It's my favorite time of year. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:02 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Lest we forget, happy spring day to everyone! Congratulations to those who've weathered through the tough winter season.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
On 3/20/2014 12:45 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, but that wasn't the point. The point was that SOMEBODY else saw it. Note that I put saw in quotes. I did that for a reason - the point is not whether it was a drug-induced experience or not. I will give you the hundreds of times That's odd - out of hundreds of people and hundreds of times, in dozens of different locations, Rama's levitation capability isn't mentioned one single time on Wikipedia, or in any scientific peer-reviewed journals. Go figure. Levitation is the process by which an object is suspended by a physical force against gravity, in a stable position without solid physical contact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Look MJ, you are talking bad about the old TM movement. We don't have control over what happened then. We are not that now. TM is moving forward transparently, honestly and effectively teaching something from the yogic tradition that is highly useful and relevant in a modern and scientific world. MJ, you and your determined meanness around something so evidently good as transcending meditation are stuck in the past. You are sounding more and more like your old people down there saying you need to lookout for all those poor slaves who can not look out for themselves. We're a movement in process doing fine free of some past constraints. You are stuck in the past. For all kinds of good spiritual and scientific reasons you should get your meditation checked for proper practice, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
good point, noozguru, but now I will need an even bigger crowbar for the door of my mind when reading something from AMA! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:02 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Let's not forget that the AMA stands in the way of the US having Single Payer Healthcare, the kind you tout so much about being available in Europe. They stand in the way of training more doctors. One thing we can say about the AMA: it's all about money. Maybe they're really the American Money Association. :-D On 03/20/2014 07:49 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: From: e Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. In other words, you reserve the right to disregard anything said by an individual or group of individuals if they say something you disagree with, because this disagreement indicates that they are not trustworthy, no matter how scientific and objective it seems to be. Did I get that right? You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. They go out of their way to portray you as stupid and clueless, in the hope that other people will start to write off anything you say as something they should look askance on. Especially liking one of the people they dislike. With other people, they try to portray them as liars, with the same intent. Is this really the approach you wish to embrace? It seems to me that a more intelligent approach would be to judge each post or piece of data that appears before you on its own merits, regardless of who said it. The alternative seems to indicate a willingness to revere cult apologetic tactics and adopt them as your own. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Yes, Judy, but I think it was the image of a plane crashing into a cute baby rhino that stopped me from laughing. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, you are aware that both Mike and Barry were being (what they thought was) funny, right? But turq, right here, you are doing what you accuse TBers of! You're putting an interpretation, a spin, and a negative one at that, on someone else's interpretation of events! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: First sane theory about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 I'm pretty sure that this plain went down because of the Pundit riot. There was a distrurbance in the *force* that caused a malfunction in the brainwaves of the pilots who decided they needed to crash their plain into a baby rhino that was just too cute. Best theory yet, Mike. But you left out the part about all of this being due to the Support Of Nature. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:57 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Were there any meditators on that flight? What relevance does this incident have to Fairfield, Iowa and meditating? Yep, i got an offspring who is an airline pilot that likes this hypothesis along with a hypothesis of a crippling electrical system fire. Is part of pre-flight to walk around and kick tires for air pressure. It is a lot of tires on that 777. Is a really big plane that goes through a lot of tires in operation. These hypothesis with the left turn helps narrow the speculation and can better focus the search along a line. Nothing will be known fur sure until the recorders are ever found. I'll wait. -Buck punditster writes: Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. On 3/19/2014 10:26 PM, s3raphita@... wrote: From the link: However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on take-off and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires! Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff.: If this is true then it suggests we need to revise standard operational procedures. If a hot night can initiate a fire in a tire then we need to restrict take-offs during heat waves! Yes, a tire fire on take-off - that would for sure explain why the plane flew over the Straight of Mallacaa heading for the Indian Ocean. Go figure. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
On 3/19/2014 6:10 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: are you exaggerating here with the hundreds of times Richard? At first I though the TB had seen the levitation only once when he was alone with Rama. But, later under some intense questioning by Shemp McGurk, the TB claimed it was hundreds of times he and other saw the Rama levitate, for REAL. Go figure. Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981.- TurquoiseB Author: TurquoiseB Subject: Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? Forum: Yahoo FairfieldLife - Message 16 Date: July 23, 2005 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
Read the link you posted Richard, the link written by Mark, one of Rama's devotees during the day. Take your information from those that were there. That was a real story. Stop watching the monkeys fly out of your butt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 12:45 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Yes, but that wasn't the point. The point was that SOMEBODY else saw it. Note that I put saw in quotes. I did that for a reason - the point is not whether it was a drug-induced experience or not. I will give you the hundreds of times That's odd - out of hundreds of people and hundreds of times, in dozens of different locations, Rama's levitation capability isn't mentioned one single time on Wikipedia, or in any scientific peer-reviewed journals. Go figure. Levitation is the process by which an object is suspended by a physical force against gravity, in a stable position without solid physical contact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levitation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Now about a hundred monkeys are levitating out my butt. Why won't somebody help me? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : A hundred monkeys just flew out of my butt, for REAL. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Help me, someone, anyone, for God's sake,please, help me! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Monkeys are flying out of my butt. For REAL! So, I wonder why nobody else ever reported these momentous events on Sci-Skeptic. Go figure. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@n... wrote: Unc, other than one other response to this thread (the one who said his brother did it pre-TM 20 feet down the road or something like that), you are the very first person who I have ever heard of that has claimed to have witnessed first-hand actual levitation. As such, I feel compelled to ask you for much more detail to your experience, please. No problem. When did this happen? Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981. Where? Actual city/state and location (i.e. house, ashram, type of room, etc.) Dozens of locations. The first time, in the Los Angeles Convention Center. In the buildings we were using for our weekly meetings. In the desert. Once in a Denny's in the dead of night when no customers or waiters were around. :-) Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. Who exactly did the levitating. Rama. Dr. Frederick Lenz. Crazy Fred. As far as I know, he never practiced any techniques to make it happen. As he explained it, he just woke up one day and remembered how to do it. Something from a past life. He never taught how to do it to any of his students, as far as I know. Was it photographed/videotaped and if not, why not? No, and I don't know why not. He didn't believe very much in trying to document any of the things he could do. His theory was that this stuff is hard enough to believe if it's happening right in front of your face in the same room you are in (a statement I can attest to the truth of). So who's going to believe a videotape? Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. What was the circumstances of the manifestation, that is, was it in front of many people, just yourself...was the lighting and the surroundings such that it couldn't be faked, etc. All the settings mentioned before, so setup or prep required. In the one at Denny's a bunch of us were sitting around one of those round tables at 4:00 in the morning and all the waitresses disappeared, probably to grab a quick cigarette in the kitchen, and he smiled and just lifted up off the naugahyde diner seat and hovered there for about 30 seconds, grinning to beat all. :-) I ask this because on my last trip to Las Vegas I visited one of those magic kiosks where they sell magic tricks and I actually saw a magician demonstate a trick that he was selling to the public in which he makes a coin levitate and spin right in front of you (and for the hell of it, I could NOT figure out how he did it but I DO know that it was some sort of magic technique and NOT actual levitation). My roommate during my last year with the TM organization was an airbrush artist who did costumes for Doug Henning. So Doug would come over to the house a lot and would show us some close-up magic. I know he was most famous for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to move around and look at his hands from any angle I chose, and I still couldn't figure out how he did it. I will admit for the sake of intellectual openness that some trick could have been involved in what Rama did, but I honestly don't think there was any. The variety of the settings
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
Well, Richard, coming from someone who is desperately asking for advice on what to do about monkeys flying out of his rear end...perhaps you should move towards an understanding of why it is this is the case. After all, it isn't the first time this has happened to you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/19/2014 6:10 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: are you exaggerating here with the hundreds of times Richard? At first I though the TB had seen the levitation only once when he was alone with Rama. But, later under some intense questioning by Shemp McGurk, the TB claimed it was hundreds of times he and other saw the Rama levitate, for REAL. Go figure. Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981.- TurquoiseB Author: TurquoiseB Subject: Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? Forum: Yahoo FairfieldLife - Message 16 Date: July 23, 2005 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
I will Richard. I believe you. Stay with it Richard, stay with it.all day Richard. Continue to write about it. Can you add a little description as to what that feels like? What do the monkeys look like? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Now about a hundred monkeys are levitating out my butt. Why won't somebody help me? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : A hundred monkeys just flew out of my butt, for REAL. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Help me, someone, anyone, for God's sake,please, help me! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Monkeys are flying out of my butt. For REAL! So, I wonder why nobody else ever reported these momentous events on Sci-Skeptic. Go figure. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@n... wrote: Unc, other than one other response to this thread (the one who said his brother did it pre-TM 20 feet down the road or something like that), you are the very first person who I have ever heard of that has claimed to have witnessed first-hand actual levitation. As such, I feel compelled to ask you for much more detail to your experience, please. No problem. When did this happen? Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981. Where? Actual city/state and location (i.e. house, ashram, type of room, etc.) Dozens of locations. The first time, in the Los Angeles Convention Center. In the buildings we were using for our weekly meetings. In the desert. Once in a Denny's in the dead of night when no customers or waiters were around. :-) Did you experience it only once? Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO. Who exactly did the levitating. Rama. Dr. Frederick Lenz. Crazy Fred. As far as I know, he never practiced any techniques to make it happen. As he explained it, he just woke up one day and remembered how to do it. Something from a past life. He never taught how to do it to any of his students, as far as I know. Was it photographed/videotaped and if not, why not? No, and I don't know why not. He didn't believe very much in trying to document any of the things he could do. His theory was that this stuff is hard enough to believe if it's happening right in front of your face in the same room you are in (a statement I can attest to the truth of). So who's going to believe a videotape? Because some people saw this phenomenon and others in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would have been captured on videotape. What was the circumstances of the manifestation, that is, was it in front of many people, just yourself...was the lighting and the surroundings such that it couldn't be faked, etc. All the settings mentioned before, so setup or prep required. In the one at Denny's a bunch of us were sitting around one of those round tables at 4:00 in the morning and all the waitresses disappeared, probably to grab a quick cigarette in the kitchen, and he smiled and just lifted up off the naugahyde diner seat and hovered there for about 30 seconds, grinning to beat all. :-) I ask this because on my last trip to Las Vegas I visited one of those magic kiosks where they sell magic tricks and I actually saw a magician demonstate a trick that he was selling to the public in which he makes a coin levitate and spin right in front of you (and for the hell of it, I could NOT figure out how he did it but I DO know that it was some sort of magic technique and NOT actual levitation). My roommate during my last year with the TM organization was an airbrush artist who did costumes for Doug Henning. So Doug would come over to the house a lot and would show us some close-up magic. I know he was most famous for his big stage effects, but the man's real genius was with his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of him, able to move around
Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation
Yes, best to read only what is marketed from the health food industry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : good point, noozguru, but now I will need an even bigger crowbar for the door of my mind when reading something from AMA! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:02 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Let's not forget that the AMA stands in the way of the US having Single Payer Healthcare, the kind you tout so much about being available in Europe. They stand in the way of training more doctors. One thing we can say about the AMA: it's all about money. Maybe they're really the American Money Association. :-D On 03/20/2014 07:49 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: From: e Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] JAMA on meditation Michael, the AMA also says that GMO labeling is not necessary. Thus I will look askance at anything they publish, no matter how scientific and objective it appears to be. In other words, you reserve the right to disregard anything said by an individual or group of individuals if they say something you disagree with, because this disagreement indicates that they are not trustworthy, no matter how scientific and objective it seems to be. Did I get that right? You realize, do you not, that this is exactly what your stalkers are trying to do with you on this forum. They go out of their way to portray you as stupid and clueless, in the hope that other people will start to write off anything you say as something they should look askance on. Especially liking one of the people they dislike. With other people, they try to portray them as liars, with the same intent. Is this really the approach you wish to embrace? It seems to me that a more intelligent approach would be to judge each post or piece of data that appears before you on its own merits, regardless of who said it. The alternative seems to indicate a willingness to revere cult apologetic tactics and adopt them as your own. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote: Meditation Programs for Psychological Stress and Well-being A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis Madhav Goyal, MD, MPH1; Sonal Singh, MD, MPH1; Erica M. S. Sibinga, MD, MHS2; Neda F. Gould, PhD3; Anastasia Rowland-Seymour, MD1; Ritu Sharma, BSc4; Zackary Berger, MD, PhD1; Dana Sleicher, MS, MPH3; David D. Maron, MHS4; Hasan M. Shihab, MBChB, MPH4; Padmini D. Ranasinghe, MD, MPH1; Shauna Linn, BA4; Shonali Saha, MD2; Eric B. Bass, MD, MPH1,4; Jennifer A. Haythornthwaite, PhD3 JAMA Intern Med. 2014;174(3):357-368. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.13018. ABSTRACT Importance Many people meditate to reduce psychological stress and stress-related health problems. To counsel people appropriately, clinicians need to know what the evidence says about the health benefits of meditation. Objective To determine the efficacy of meditation programs in improving stress-related outcomes (anxiety, depression, stress/distress, positive mood, mental health–related quality of life, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, pain, and weight) in diverse adult clinical populations. Evidence Review We identified randomized clinical trials with active controls for placebo effects through November 2012 from MEDLINE, PsycINFO, EMBASE, PsycArticles, Scopus, CINAHL, AMED, the Cochrane Library, and hand searches. Two independent reviewers screened citations and extracted data. We graded the strength of evidence using 4 domains (risk of bias, precision, directness, and consistency) and determined the magnitude and direction of effect by calculating the relative difference between groups in change from baseline. When possible, we conducted meta-analyses using standardized mean differences to obtain aggregate estimates of effect size with 95% confidence intervals. Findings After reviewing 18 753 citations, we included 47 trials with 3515 participants. Mindfulness meditation programs had moderate evidence of improved anxiety (effect size, 0.38 [95% CI, 0.12-0.64] at 8 weeks and 0.22 [0.02-0.43] at 3-6 months), depression (0.30 [0.00-0.59] at 8 weeks and 0.23 [0.05-0.42] at 3-6 months), and pain (0.33 [0.03- 0.62]) and low evidence of improved stress/distress and mental health–related quality of life. We found low evidence of no effect or insufficient evidence of any effect of meditation programs on positive mood, attention, substance use, eating habits, sleep, and weight. We found no evidence that meditation programs were better than any active treatment (ie, drugs, exercise, and other behavioral therapies). Conclusions and Relevance Clinicians should be aware that meditation programs can
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On 3/20/2014 11:38 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Stay with it Richard, stay with it.. Has anyone else out there ever seen anyone levitate, just once - I mean, when you weren't high on LSD? One time down in Mexico a Yaqui Shaman once slipped some Mescal into my taco and I saw God, his wife, Sophia, his daughter Ashley, and his son Baal, all levitating right in front of me, with the Holy Ghost flying up over my head. The next thing I knew was that monkeys were coming out of my butt. So, this experience that I had makes the TB's experience look like a tiny ant hill compared to a big tall mountain. Go figure. Shemp McGurk: Did you experience it only once? TurquoiseB: Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert for a lifetime spent on the highest spiritual path... The TMO should pay you to shut up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 11:38 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Stay with it Richard, stay with it.. Has anyone else out there ever seen anyone levitate, just once - I mean, when you weren't high on LSD? One time down in Mexico a Yaqui Shaman once slipped some Mescal into my taco and I saw God, his wife, Sophia, his daughter Ashley, and his son Baal, all levitating right in front of me, with the Holy Ghost flying up over my head. The next thing I knew was that monkeys were coming out of my butt. So, this experience that I had makes the TB's experience look like a tiny ant hill compared to a big tall mountain. Go figure. Shemp McGurk: Did you experience it only once? TurquoiseB: Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert for a lifetime spent on the highest spiritual path... The TMO should pay you to shut up. Maybe that's his retirement plan. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
On 3/20/2014 11:35 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, Richard, coming from someone who is desperately asking for advice on what to do about monkeys flying out of his rear end...perhaps you should move towards an understanding of why it is this is the case. After all, it isn't the first time this has happened to you. No, it's not the first time - but it seems to be that every time an elephant comes into my room, the monkeys start to fly out. It can be very annoying. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/19/2014 6:10 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: are you exaggerating here with the hundreds of times Richard? At first I though the TB had seen the levitation only once when he was alone with Rama. But, later under some intense questioning by Shemp McGurk, the TB claimed it was hundreds of times he and other saw the Rama levitate, for REAL. Go figure. Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981.- TurquoiseB Author: TurquoiseB Subject: Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? Forum: Yahoo FairfieldLife - Message 16 Date: July 23, 2005 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Good job Richard. Since monkeys are again flying and levitating out of your behind, you might check the drugs you've been ingesting and look at the side-effects that can happen. Maybe stop hitting the Listerine in the AM? It isn't for drinking, just in case you don't know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 11:38 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Stay with it Richard, stay with it.. Has anyone else out there ever seen anyone levitate, just once - I mean, when you weren't high on LSD? One time down in Mexico a Yaqui Shaman once slipped some Mescal into my taco and I saw God, his wife, Sophia, his daughter Ashley, and his son Baal, all levitating right in front of me, with the Holy Ghost flying up over my head. The next thing I knew was that monkeys were coming out of my butt. So, this experience that I had makes the TB's experience look like a tiny ant hill compared to a big tall mountain. Go figure. Shemp McGurk: Did you experience it only once? TurquoiseB: Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, the word most. Some people (10-15) never saw anything; others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of being around someone who is doing this, IMO.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On 3/20/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: You are fucking certifiable dude. So, Barry claims he saw Frederick Lenz levitate hundreds of times, but I'm the certifiable dude. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert for a lifetime spent on the highest spiritual path... The TMO should pay you to shut up. Maybe that's his retirement plan. :-) I might chip in myself
Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM announces new chanting program for peace
A, you are also seeing elephants in your room. Sounds like a jungle in that mind of yours. Remember Richard, regardless of why Rama's devotees attest to the fact that they saw him levitate, they still saw it and it was more than one person who did. Would it help if I gave you a definition for saw? How about perceived? Does this matter? It seems to matter to you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 11:35 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Well, Richard, coming from someone who is desperately asking for advice on what to do about monkeys flying out of his rear end...perhaps you should move towards an understanding of why it is this is the case. After all, it isn't the first time this has happened to you. No, it's not the first time - but it seems to be that every time an elephant comes into my room, the monkeys start to fly out. It can be very annoying. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 3/19/2014 6:10 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: are you exaggerating here with the hundreds of times Richard? At first I though the TB had seen the levitation only once when he was alone with Rama. But, later under some intense questioning by Shemp McGurk, the TB claimed it was hundreds of times he and other saw the Rama levitate, for REAL. Go figure. Dozens of times -- probably more like hundreds, actually -- over a 14-year period starting in 1981.- TurquoiseB Author: TurquoiseB Subject: Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? Forum: Yahoo FairfieldLife - Message 16 Date: July 23, 2005 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
That was a long time ago, Richard, in Barry's case. In your case, you are seeing monkeys levitate out of your rear end as of this morning. Catch a clue, Richard, catch a clue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/20/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote: You are fucking certifiable dude. So, Barry claims he saw Frederick Lenz levitate hundreds of times, but I'm the certifiable dude. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
Share, you are missing the point, yet again. There is no demonizing going on except in your own mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really good points, Ann. But maybe if enough of us stop demonizing, then everyone will. And I realize I'm demonizing the demonizers. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:44 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Right, Doc, I was replying to a point you made in another post. It simply seems to me that lots of people on FFL are demonizing other people and or organizations. By demonizing I mean: thinking of them as ALL bad. By what they write, I think that some people think that certain others are ALL bad. Of course this is my interpretation of what they write. Your interpretation is faulty because already so many have told you that no one is demonizing anyone nor are they claiming anyone is ALL bad, at least with regard to Bawwy who seems to be who you are 'defending' now. Do you think Bawwy demonizes Judy or Robin or me or even Doc? Do you think Bawwy could ever make himself gag up a compliment toward Judy or Robin, for that matter? And if you believe others to be demonizing people and organizations at FFL then what influence do you believe you could possibly have in changing that? To what degree do you believe in holding others accountable for bad behavior even though you feel they are being demonized by others who have taken exception to it? Why do you never run to Judy's 'defense' or mine? How impartial is your sense of justice to defend those you feel are being ganged up on?
