I sat in on a movement meeting once, and the person speaking was giving out
instructions on how to behave around the movement rajas, in other words, it was
an attempt to program the audience to behave towards them in a manner similar
to M. If you meet someone you respect, you will naturally
This is priceless, up there with Barry's best productions. ---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
A Day in the Life (of a TM'er)
Governor wakes up, but in fact he has not been asleep having witnessed his
sleep all night long and we all know that witnessing sleep is the
I think it is rather difficult to parse out the 'Biggest Most Meaningful Event
in your entire lives!!!'= For me learning TM was a significant event in light
of subsequent events. But several years before, an event occurred that
eventually led to TM, and I think that prior event was more
Share, Ann Margaret Cowhig were pretty wild guy magnets; Hagelin's former
wife Margaret in particular, for being wild; my preference was for Ann Cowhig.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Michael when you write about someone that she sure didn't act like an engaged
There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken
place. In the United States, the person must prove that the statement was
false, caused harm, and was made without adequate research into the
truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement.
Where I come from, silence conveys no information whatever. The interpretation
of that silence, as being something significant, having meaning, is an act of
the imagination.
It's mine.---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
What do you think?
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/563448/20140821/ufo-sighters-bone-mars-sightings.org#.U_YV4Z3n9y0
Michael, I printed out a nice copy of that alternative therapy chart, maybe
I'll frame it.
Here is a link to NCCAM at the National Institutes of Health. This division of
NIH seems to have been the brain child of Senator Tom Harkin, because the NIH
did not want it. So the results published on
Here is a link to TM studies at clinicaltrials.gov Search of: Transcendental
Meditation - List Results - ClinicalTrials.gov
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=Transcendental+MeditationSearch=Search
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=Transcendental+MeditationSearch=Search
Actually you can. If TM takes you out of the ego, the sense of personal self,
and if it works every time (i.e., you transcend at least once during a
sitting), then in 40 years of meditation with some residence courses thrown in,
you commit suicide some 30,000 times. If TM goes the distance
But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said.
You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper
is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of
opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the
Is the highlighted area below what you consider an anti-Semitic comment? It
seems directed at a religion rather than a person; the comment above it is
directed to a person, and the implication the person's beliefs, if that is what
the person believes (the Torah), are false. You have picked a
Even the photo from Hubble is not a straight photograph, it is a composite of
many exposures over various times assembled by a computer program making a map
of colour and brightness variations on the surface which was then mapped onto a
sphere. The diameter of Pluto is so small seen from
The post count is slightly more manageable now, except for Richard of course.
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
Belief is a thought, that moves us through the gap, from one experience of a
subject, to another. For example, we believe the earth is round. This belief
remains in place, and helps our world make sense, though there are few
Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you
perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read
some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a
turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn
Results of medical study of the human mind and consciousness at the time of
death
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-10-results-medical-human-mind-consciousness.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-10-results-medical-human-mind-consciousness.html
Results of medical study of the
Meanwhile, Xeno contemplates the dark side of the force, as taught by
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
shower running in the background
Barry, humming his fave Bruce Cockburn tune, steps out, notices the floor got
all
I spent a few hours with Collins on a couple of occasions about 25 years ago.
At that time he told me he was interested in doing voice acting, giving me
several examples of how one would do voices for a radio commercial so it could
be easily understood. None of this dark stuff of course had
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if
they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in
the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the
split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in
England have this.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
the Movement already split - don't forget the
CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi
http://www.tm.org/enlightenment
http://www.tm.org/enlightenment
Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Maharishi
on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of
Transcendental Meditation?
Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very
passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have
had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on
FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of
Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the
form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will
seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists
who definitely believe there is no god and they can be as
No, people become insulted. A person saying x might be interpreted by y as an
insult, but interpreted by z as a helpful hint. Being insulted is a response.
What to some might seem a pox on their cherished tradition others might see as
a reasonable evaluation of idiotic beliefs, or even
x exists x does not exist
I do not know what the phrase 'begins to exist' means, especially in regard to
the universe as a whole. If x were an auto-mobile, perhaps one could say that
when it was partially assembled, it began to exist, but all the components of
that were manufactured prior
You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to
you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my
experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always
distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are
I don't know what it means, explain it to me, as you seem to know what it
means. That NASA sent Curiosity to Mars is not logically connected to your
statement that 'it appears that humans know can understand the meaning of
begins to exist. You may have connected it in your mind, but not in the
God would not make bitter, angry, inflexible curmudgeons if He in is sublime
glory did not want it so. Let Thy will be done.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were
true, how much
I think you are on the right track Ann. Particularly nettle-some in a
discussion of ultimate origins is time. In current cosmology, time-space did
not exist prior to the universe, therefore there was no time before the
universe's beginning and it is meaningless to speak of events or anything as
Sometimes I like to pretend people can read lips.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing
he's already repeated --
No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to
fill at the local
'Everything that exists has no cause' is not the equivalent of 'everything that
begins to exist has no cause'. No beginning is stated or implied. I said
nothing about 'begins'. I was talking about existence without time. The
eternity of space and things but no time. Like a still photograph,
You seem to be just trolling. Do you practice TM? I was talking about things
that spiritual practices advertise they can bring into one's awareness. These
things are private, you cannot prove you have these kinds of experiences. My
body has a mother and father, my awareness does not, the
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
This is a lot of airy talk, though telling. My concern after having read it,
is, I feel it was written by someone who takes less than complete
responsibility for their life, and their personal thoughts and actions. Taking
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :No
Xeno,
You are changing your tune today which is clearly not what you stated
yesterday. Earlier, you said that everything that exists has no cause. Then
you said that:
As far as my experience is concerned, I have always
As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring
and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not
considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this
thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental
You never really began to debate.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Xeno,
Thank you for your ideas. I believe we've exhausted this debate. There is no
point to continue.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
---In
Barry, did you read the following paragraph? I regard it as a culturally spread
malady that has its roots in our nervous system. I think it may be that, from
an evolutionary viewpoint, a certain gullibility to pick up behaviours and
ideas helps a child, and to a lesser extent adults, to quickly
Like you Share, I really did not pay attention to the selling points as I had
had experiences prior to TM, I was just looking for an easy way to meditate, a
natural consequence of being lazy.
The sell was there in the introductory and preparatory lectures and in
available chart books
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@...
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
That was a great read, thanks!
It was intersting to see how Xeno tried to enable Barry, by leaving out of the
discussion all
Nabby, this has been a pointless criticism. If you are a critic, you can
verbally describe the differences between Curtis and other musicians as regards
style, technique and so forth; if you can't do that, you are not even a critic.
Artists regard critics the way fire hydrants regard dogs
The dangers of human intelligence are known well enough. Maybe we should try
something different? The problem is we are creating AI, if it mimics us, we can
expect it to do the things we do. Regardless of whether we regard machines as
conscious or not (an unanswered philosophical question),
The difference between an amateur and a professional is the professional makes
his living at it. An amateur does not necessarily mean unskilled. I have to
leave for New York City in a couple of minutes so I do not have time for
additional comments at this time. I will listen to the video later.
What's good about religion? http://youtu.be/Ly62n36nn0k
http://youtu.be/Ly62n36nn0k
What's good about religion? http://youtu.be/Ly62n36nn0k Let's be positive.
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It has not been happening forever, this apparent cycling of the sun, around the
earth - only about 4.5 billion years. Light vanishing as the sun is rotated
away and behind the horizon. Pigeons silently retiring from dropping white
bombs on the objects below. Forms recede into black night,
Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's
recordings on YouTube.
This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments
tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a
violin is rather complex. But
Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting,
especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist
is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can
be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this
Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature
of art does not count:
Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues
http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues
Curtis Blues
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 1911*-2008 Maharishi is generally thought
to have been born in 1918 based on a known image of his passport (though he
said he had passports with different dates). This looks like a movement attempt
When a digital camera is exposed near the low end of the luminance, there is a
lot of noise, very different from film, where the noise is usually equally
distributed among the light and dark areas, but with digital the noise is in
the dark areas most. Here is your dawn image lightened and
Happy Halloween.
The image is that of a Neanderthal child, which I took in the American Museum
of Natural History in New York City last week. The child was three to four
years old. The lighting was perfect for the way this day is celebrated in the
United States. The child died 50,000 years
Do we really have much evidence for such suppositions? Mental decline can
happen to anyone. Maharishi did seem to me to be a bit out of it in his last
years. Some participants in the Washington D.C. course in 2006 told me he spoke
on the phone but was certainly not himself as in the past, and
I found these really interesting. I recall some 45 years ago I read a book
called Mechanical Man by Dean Wooldridge (physicist, worked for Bell Labs,
Hughes Aircraft, and his own company which became TRW). This book attempted to
explain the workings of the human brain in strictly physical
Yagyas and Indulgences
Yajña: (Sanskrit: 'sacrifice, offering'), in Hinduism, worship based on rites
prescribed in the earliest scriptures of ancient India, the Vedas, in contrast
to puja, which may include image worship and devotional practices non-Vedic in
origin.
A yajña is always
No, I simply said I had no beginning, I did not offer a proof of that. If a
person were enlightened they could say they had no beginning, but there is no
proof such a one is enlightened either, on top of a proof of having no
beginning. With regard to the Universe, there are facts that lead us
Who are Ma and Pa God?
Suppose you practise transcendental meditation, and you experience TC, what is
the time value of that experience? On a forum dedicated to discussing
philosophies dedicated to timeless experience, unboundedness, infinity, asking
about beginnings and causes seems a bit
But in any case, the means leads to the end, regardless of moral
considerations. Exactly how does one discover what a 'moral consideration' is?
The laws of nature, assuming they exists as we conceive them, do not allow
tampering, therefore what happens is always in accord with natural law, and
Apollo 15 Science demonstration, dropping a hammer and an eagle feather on the
Moon. Hammer vs Feather - Physics on the Moon http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8
http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8
Hammer vs Feather - Physics on the Moon http://youtu.be/KDp1tiUsZw8 Courtesy:
NASA - Galileo and Apollo 15
If everything is being, 'transcending' is then just a myth, a story. The
question here is, under what circumstances is the concept of transcending
useful? All of us who learned TM obviously must have encountered the term. All
the word means is 'to go beyond the range or limits of', and if
'The kingdom of go is within you'
English is kind of ambiguous in this phrase. A more literal translation would
be 'the kingdom of god is in of you' and the word 'you' is second person plural
in Greek but English does not make that distinction except by context, and the
context does not make
'The kingdom of god is within you'
English is kind of ambiguous in this phrase. A more literal translation would
be 'the kingdom of god is in of you' and the word 'you' is second person plural
in Greek but English does not make that distinction except by context, and the
context does not
I tend not to agree with Barry about free will, but then this is a subject
whose resolution seems impossible to determine. One of my early spiritual
experiences was about free will and determinism. My interpretation of that
experience was that they were equivalent, like the faces on the same
Well, that was a double plus good quotation.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote :
Ah ha! Buck wins the battle of semantics but remains powerless to control the
wild beasts of FFL. Don't give up, Buck. The place wouldn't be the same without
you. Do you know that
Do we even know how a chicken experiences the world and its situation? These
ethical questions are based on emotion regarding experience. What sort of
emotions do chickens experience, if any?
Is the distinction being cooped up in a cage versus roaming in a larger space
a meaningful
It is not a no brainer to attempt to determine a person's experience by what
they say, particularly just based on text they write. For example, Michael
Jackson, to me, sounds angry at times, but I do not really know what he is
experiencing. Judy does not typically sound angry to me most of the
I had a fairly clear experience of being some years before I learned TM, while
that clarity then did not last, it did leave a strong sense of how to proceed
with a 'spiritual' life, as I had no religious nor spiritual inclinations until
that experience. But the sense it left was that the
While alive, everybody has experience, consciousness. So 'something' is making
the content of experience visible. There is always a 'witness'. The mind's
interpretation of what this so-called witness is changes with practice
(whichever one or ones are being used). The 24/7 kind of inner
Richard wrote: 'If MMY was way off, then you'd have to disagree with Immanuel
Kant, Johann Gottlieb Fichte, Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling, Georg Wilhelm
Friedrich Hegel and Arthur Schopenhauer and the whole of German idealism. This
would be a monumental task for anyone, even someone with
Ann,
There is a certain etiquette regarding 'enlightenment'. I think it is OK to
attempt to describe one's own experiences, but it is a mine field to try to
characterise someone else's because there is the always present probability of
misunderstanding the language they are using to describe
I disagree with Barry that enlightenment is 'just another state of attention'.
However he has specified more or less what he considers it to be. But what is
the benchmark or character of enlightenment from your perspective? For example,
if you were to describe your experiences from the time of
Buck just does not think things through sometimes when he is adapting
literature to his cause. As Buck correctly mentioned that 'light' in this poem
means light in the sense of insubstantial. Light Brigade means 'Light' Cavalry,
a weaker force for smaller skirmishes. So for the very dangerous
===
SHARELONG60 WROTE:
Ann, thanks so much for posting this. Mindfulness sounds exhausting to me! All
that continual manipulation of attention! Plus Kabat-Zinn himself says that all
the contents of attention are fleeting. So why bother to focus on them?! Just
let attention go where it
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably
harmful.
===
People practising TM also report headaches and
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you
are given as a beginner...
I have a black belt, but not because I have studied martial arts. It just
holds up my pants.
Whether or not Robin co-opted Maharishi's teaching is to me not an important
point, since every teacher that goes out on their own rather than being part of
some organization has co-opted the teachings of those before them and probably
added to, and subtracted from them as well.
I do not
According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences),
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
I cannot name one human being who ever lived on this planet whose subjective
experience I would consider Truth. That's not an insult IMO...just sound
thinking based on what science tells us about subjective experience.
My
But truth, Richard, in the sense of enlightenment, and maybe in any other sense
as well, is un-stateable, that is what we say is at best a crude representation
of truth, if truth exists. That leaves us with basically opinions about
everything, only a few items perhaps that we can be truthful
('Cognizing' for the Americans.)
On 06/04/2014 05:28 PM, authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Gee, in my understanding, you get only one bija mantra when you're initiated.
The advanced techniques aren't new bija mantras, they're actual Sanskrit words
that you use with your original bija
ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Some days ago emptybill posted (Lightmint vs EEG Claptrap) a quote by James
Swartz. After poking around for a while I found this fellow's web site. Just
after I came on FFL in 2011, yuxifero also responded to a post I had made with
a link to his site. Swartz had written
Maybe that is hard to say, as I do not believe in the theory behind exorcism,
but he was always trying to pry into a person's psyche. I just reread the last
post he made to me. The series of 62 posts was started by Barry. Robin
responded to something I posted near the end of the 62 posts. While
I would have at least skimmed the essay. Peter Schaffer's screenplay (based on
his stage version) of Amadeus portrays Emperor Joseph II, who spoke the words
'too many notes', as somewhat of a dilettante as far as music, in fact he could
not come up with those words, having been prompted by one
A guru does not impart transcendental knowledge Buck, they just say it is
transcendental knowledge. The knowledge they have to impart everyone already
has, their job is to prod you to recognise it. The profession of guru is rather
strange as a result of this. Their job is basically to pinch
I would say Barry disliked Robin. Obsessive hatred seems a little extreme.
Barry doesn't like long sprawling tracts of text, Robin's speciality, and he
seems to have a very short fuse with people who think of themselves excessively
or put on airs. I did not care for Robin's writing style
authfriend
'I consider Xeno's views of both Barry and Robin to be so biased--one pro, the
other con--as to be twisted. It did take a bit of effort to read some of
Robin's posts, but they weren't obfuscatory or intended to entrap, nor was
he putting on airs.'
'I think Xeno had problems
Here you can see wide ranging reactions to a particular subject I posted
(#386163).
With regard to fleetwood_macandchees's comments about witnessing, I found on
Swartz's website a PDF file a tale written by a former TM teacher who
interacted with Swartz, but prior to that tells the story of
Yes. But Barry seemed to agree with what I wrote, so either I can do it, or I
just made a lucky guess, or perhaps Barry and I are just lying for the hell of
it. Judy of course does this all the time. Your emotional maturity and depth,
however, shines as a beacon for all. Exactly what are the
Judy was right, that Robin was parodying Curtis's view of him, and I missed it;
Robin and Curtis did have a number of private exchanges.
But it does not change the argument because the 'truth' of a statement in
logic does not depend on who said it. Having the case we have against Robin
Sorry, I was not implying Judy lies for the hell of it, or at all here in this
case. I was not implying that at all. Bad paragraph construction, and you cut
out the part I wrote, and what you wrote that I was referring to. What was
intended was that 'Judy gauges peoples' emotional involvement
I am saying I think the emotion one experiences watching things, or listening
to things, like music, or reading things is the reaction to what is being
experienced from the input. That input might be one's own writing. When one is
doing the writing, the situation seems more complex, one can
As for the ex-TM teacher describing his experience at the end of that PDF, it
certainly seems as if he just accepted an intellectual understanding from
Swartz rather than having realisation, after which the explanation given by
Swartz would make perfect sense. If you accept the explanation why
If we look at Maharishi's World Plan, that would seem to be a set of expressed
desires, yet they do not seem to be fulfilled unless Maharishi meant something
completely different from what most people suppose on reading that list. The
universe does what it does, what happens is the only thing
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
How Xeno could have mistaken Robin's parody of Curtis's view of him for
something Curtis had written himself is beyond me, not just because of the
obvious irony but because of the marked difference in writing style. It's also
rather
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
I don't know who you learned about attunement with the universe from, but you
have a bunch of stuff wrong - no wonder your progress is non-existent. Please
don't be concerned about me, Barry. Just know that enlightenment
No, it was just a mistake. However, an extreme pro bias is just as distorting
as an extreme anti bias. Is there a truth between these?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
Making a really stupid mistake is a lot easier in the context of extreme bias,
which, as I
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