Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't understand the absolute lack of trust that some in this country have 
for their fellow, usually non-white,  human beings. If you listen to the more 
unbalanced voices, the country is chock full of those trying to game the 
system, who can only be controlled by stricter laws, a removal of any 
assistance, and a blanket admission that they are lazy and stupid.  

 It is such a cynical and ugly posture, especially when those who bray the 
loudest are often the biggest hypocrites, the Duggars as the most recent 
example, and that unrepentant *drug addict*, Rush whatshisname. Holding the 
rest of us up to standards that they can't themselves maintain, is the most 
blatant hypocrisy and self-righteousness. Many of these CHINOS (Christians In 
Name Only) have completely forgotten what Christ taught, substituting instead a 
fantasy get out of jail free card (I'm 'born again'), used to excoriate anyone 
who doesn't march in lockstep with them. I call bullshit on the lot of them. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Victim mentality! It's not my fault, it's somebody else's fault! It's the 
systems fault! But never mine! The 4-5% unemployment you refer to is supposed 
to account for those in between jobs,those that have quit or been fired or 
returning to school or job training to increase their skills to get a better 
job. We have 20-30 million people that illegally immigrated to take jobs, 
undercutting themselves and citizens thus driving down wages that could be paid 
to citizens, causing more dependence on social programs. But hey, they're cheap 
labor, they'd make great victims to vote for our party and they pay SS at their 
jobs that they can't receive(unless they vote for our party to remedy) thus 
bailing out the decline of SS contributions.< If you live in the United States, 
are able bodied and relatively sound mind and you are poor, more than likely, 
it is your own fault, due to poor choices you have made in life. Maybe you 
dropped out of school too early, got pregnant, joined a gang, got involved in 
drugs, had a generally shitty attitude or appearance that no employer wants to 
put up with, went to jail or prison for criminal activity, thus nobody wants to 
hire. Maybe your just fucking lazy, spoiled, never learned personal 
responsibility and don't feel you could take care of yourself. Maybe you 
dropped out of society so you could seek *enlightenment*or thought reading 
palms and being an astrologer would pay the bills. 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   Again, the welfare recipients are the victims of capitalism. Economic models 
of capitalism always predict less than 100% employment. I recall the "ideal" is 
around 95%, so for that unemployed 5%, they need some form of assistance. Given 
the radical difference in access to education and services between the wealthy 
and the poor, it is nearly impossible to rise out of poverty, no matter what, 
so this may span generations. 
 

 Again, it is not the fault of the poor, but rather the blindly greedy, who see 
only exploitable numbers when they look at a population. You sound as if you 
have bought into the social fiction that people want to be poor. They do not, 
even with the paltry amounts that welfare pays. 
 

 Rather than do away with welfare for the poor, let's begin by eliminating 
welfare for the rich. Much is made by these folks about the amount of taxes 
they pay relative to the rest of the country. However, the amount they pay, 
relative to their wealth, is a pittance, and they should all be deeply ashamed 
of themselves. There is no benefit to the class war they have started and it 
will end badly for them - not in terms of some grand revolution, but simply 
their increasingly bad karma. 
 

 Read the news carefully regarding the greediest members of our society, and 
you find that despite enormous wealth, many of their lives are stressful, 
unhealthy, and short. Money cannot buy happiness, only comfy distractions. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, I guess that you would agree that welfare/ public assistance should not be 
a *lifestyle*, from one generation to another, but temporary.

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  If something is worth having, it's worth working for. That would include 
economic equality and opportunity. Should a high school drop out have the same 
economic opportunities that someone with a PHD has? Should a person with no 
more ability to flip a burger earn as much as a brain surgeon? It could happen, 
but they better have 

[FairfieldLife] Re: NYTIMES >>> TM IN NY SCHOOLS

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It looks like the TMO has developed a split - On the one hand, instruction in 
TM and the TM-Sidhis, is going very well, and gaining a lot of popularity. On 
the other, the more 'research-oriented' activities, culminating in MUM and the 
World Government programs, are marginally successful. Maharishi did a good job 
of presenting Vedic knowledge in all its forms, but now it seems to have become 
largely dogma at the higher reaches of the TMO, not serving those who try to 
live by it.  

 Why not turn MUM into an on-line school to broaden its reach, and move all the 
World Govt. up to MVC? Then put some excellent administrators in place, to grow 
and spread the reach of TM and TMSP. Seems like a very mixed message these 
days, with a lot of in-fighting, which could be solved by further separating 
these two branches of the organization.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spiritual Morality.. how about introducing practical ideas to these young 
people about those things what are useful to spiritual evolution and what 
things or activities could be hurtful or harmful as a part of spiritual 
instruction one can gain through learning to cultivate spiritual experience 
[inner consciousness] by quiet-time meditation practices?  Possibly giving a 
sense of spiritual discernment as to a construct of such things that are 
helpful as virtues and such things that are hurtful being sinful to one's 
spiritual growth. Not introducing religion but just some useful interpretive 
clarifying ideas as for a helpful public education, -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And, what does the public school principal do when searching the internet 
about TM and the principal finds the Global Country of World Peace with its 
patriarchy of kings and rajas?  How does a David Lynch TM teacher explain that 
to the public school administrator?
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 Simple. He admits that the TMO is a Hindoo religious sect that holds the vedas 
of India as the purest example of perfect human knowledge and that we firmly 
believe that recreating their alleged society would be the best thing for all 
mankind because we have houses that make you invincible, prayers that can end 
wars - if you can afford them - and if that doesn't work we can hop up and down 
until peace is restored.
 

 Then he picks up his unemployment cheque and heads out the door.
 

 OR, he can say that that is just the way we do things in our organisation but 
TM itself is sold according to it's proven benefits for self-development to 
whoever wants it. What you don't want to do is admit that the DLF is a gateway 
foundation to gradually indoctrinating new meditators by telling them about 
unified fields and yogic flying and systematically getting them into the belief 
system until they've swapped reality for Marshy's knowledge. Like they did with 
us
 

 

 

 
 

 Nine Days of Mother Divine

 Daily Celebrations at the Maharishi Vedic Pandit Campus
 October 13-21
 

 10:00 am-1:00 pm Mother Divine Recitation by five Vedic Pandits
 8:00-9:30 pm Evening aarti with all the Vedic Pandits   


  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Under Stress, Students in New York Schools Find Calm in Meditation 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html

  
  
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
  
  
  
  
  
 Under Stress, Students in New York Schools Find Calm in ... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
 Though evidence is thin on how well mindfulness and meditation might work at 
school, the use of inward-looking practices in the classroom is growing.


 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/nyregion/under-stress-students-in-new-york-schools-find-calm-in-meditation.html
 

 

 “It’s built into the schedule,” said Linda Rosenbury, founding principal at 
Brooklyn Urban Garden, a middle school. “Everyone clears off their desks. They 
shouldn’t be chewing gum, but if they are, they spit it out. Their hands are 
free. We ring a bell.” A building full of preteens and teenagers goes quiet, 
she said.
 “It used to be that you wouldn’t say ‘meditation’ in polite company,” said Bob 
Roth, executive director of the David Lynch Foundation 
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/, a charitable foundation founded by the 
director of “Blue Velvet,” that promotes and teaches transcendental meditation 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Again, the welfare recipients are the victims of capitalism. Economic models of 
capitalism always predict less than 100% employment. I recall the "ideal" is 
around 95%, so for that unemployed 5%, they need some form of assistance. Given 
the radical difference in access to education and services between the wealthy 
and the poor, it is nearly impossible to rise out of poverty, no matter what, 
so this may span generations.  

 Again, it is not the fault of the poor, but rather the blindly greedy, who see 
only exploitable numbers when they look at a population. You sound as if you 
have bought into the social fiction that people want to be poor. They do not, 
even with the paltry amounts that welfare pays. 
 

 Rather than do away with welfare for the poor, let's begin by eliminating 
welfare for the rich. Much is made by these folks about the amount of taxes 
they pay relative to the rest of the country. However, the amount they pay, 
relative to their wealth, is a pittance, and they should all be deeply ashamed 
of themselves. There is no benefit to the class war they have started and it 
will end badly for them - not in terms of some grand revolution, but simply 
their increasingly bad karma. 
 

 Read the news carefully regarding the greediest members of our society, and 
you find that despite enormous wealth, many of their lives are stressful, 
unhealthy, and short. Money cannot buy happiness, only comfy distractions. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, I guess that you would agree that welfare/ public assistance should not be 
a *lifestyle*, from one generation to another, but temporary.

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  If something is worth having, it's worth working for. That would include 
economic equality and opportunity. Should a high school drop out have the same 
economic opportunities that someone with a PHD has? Should a person with no 
more ability to flip a burger earn as much as a brain surgeon? It could happen, 
but they better have something to offer that is in high demand.  I can honestly 
say that I've earned everything I've got. Had I been more ambitious,I could 
have had more than I have now. I'm not complaining.

 

 You are assuming that hard work equals reward commensurate with effort 
exerted. Not so.  It would be so simple if that were the case. Many, many 
people literally work their asses off and have no home, very little food to eat 
and live in rags. The world does not work like how you think it works. There is 
inequality with regard to race, gender and class that takes its toll on 
millions of people. I have known a number of well-heeled individuals who like 
to recline back in their easy chairs, glance around at their paneled, ornate 
living rooms while sipping 25 year old tawny port and smugly assert that if 
everyone was just willing to work hard they could enjoy the advantages that 
they enjoy. Bullshit. 
 

 Knocked that one out of the park. It doesn't take any esteemed values, such as 
compassion and equality, to make a lot of money. No one is saying give it back, 
but own up to what got you there. In  these times, due to the leverage of tech, 
money buys more influence than it ever has. Unfortunately, many use that as an 
excuse to become ever richer, consequences be damned. The rich DO get richer 
and the poor get poorer. 
 

 This crap about people wanting to lie around on welfare, vs. having productive 
and meaningful jobs is propaganda put out by those who have already shipped 
many of the middle class jobs outside the US. Blame the victim.

 

 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 Capitalism promotes greed and inequality. Socialism provides equality and 
equal opportunity.  How's that inequality workin' out for ya?
 
 On 10/21/2015 05:44 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 


   Capitalism creates wealth, socialism just redistributes it.
 
 
 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 The problem with capitalism is that sooner or later you run out of other 
people's money too. Then everybody is broke.  What's your point?
 
 On 10/21/2015 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@...mdixon.6569@... 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  If something is worth having, it's worth working for. That would include 
economic equality and opportunity. Should a high school drop out have the same 
economic opportunities that someone with a PHD has? Should a person with no 
more ability to flip a burger earn as much as a brain surgeon? It could happen, 
but they better have something to offer that is in high demand.  I can honestly 
say that I've earned everything I've got. Had I been more ambitious,I could 
have had more than I have now. I'm not complaining.

 

 You are assuming that hard work equals reward commensurate with effort 
exerted. Not so.  It would be so simple if that were the case. Many, many 
people literally work their asses off and have no home, very little food to eat 
and live in rags. The world does not work like how you think it works. There is 
inequality with regard to race, gender and class that takes its toll on 
millions of people. I have known a number of well-heeled individuals who like 
to recline back in their easy chairs, glance around at their paneled, ornate 
living rooms while sipping 25 year old tawny port and smugly assert that if 
everyone was just willing to work hard they could enjoy the advantages that 
they enjoy. Bullshit. 
 

 Knocked that one out of the park. It doesn't take any esteemed values, such as 
compassion and equality, to make a lot of money. No one is saying give it back, 
but own up to what got you there. In  these times, due to the leverage of tech, 
money buys more influence than it ever has. Unfortunately, many use that as an 
excuse to become ever richer, consequences be damned. The rich DO get richer 
and the poor get poorer. 
 

 This crap about people wanting to lie around on welfare, vs. having productive 
and meaningful jobs is propaganda put out by those who have already shipped 
many of the middle class jobs outside the US. Blame the victim. Yet another 
fake wedge issue, and quite brilliant, really - get the lower middle class to 
hate the poor. Same strategy used in the South for about a century to keep 
slavery popular, even among the poorest non-slave owning whites; someone yet 
lower than themselves.
 

 Unfortunately money has no soul and those who are dedicated to making ever 
more of it end up the same way; pathetic, and cruel.
 

 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 Capitalism promotes greed and inequality. Socialism provides equality and 
equal opportunity.  How's that inequality workin' out for ya?
 
 On 10/21/2015 05:44 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 


   Capitalism creates wealth, socialism just redistributes it.
 
 
 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 The problem with capitalism is that sooner or later you run out of other 
people's money too. Then everybody is broke.  What's your point?
 
 On 10/21/2015 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon mailto:mdixon.6569@...mdixon.6569@... 
mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
 

   The problem with socialism is, that sooner or later, you run out of other 
people's money.
 
 
 From: "Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@...noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife]" 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Planets support Hillary!
 
 
   
 What's happening is that the dems are freaked by the traction Bernie Sanders 
is getting.  He's also popular with millennials who could swing the vote.  I 
also have a theory Sanders is the reason Trump jumped into the race.  So it 
could be an election of democratic socialism vs corporatism.  Thing is, the US 
needs some socialism to balance things.  All corporatists care about is making 
lots and lots of money and the public be damned.
 
 I've listened to Sanders on Thom Hartmann's show for years and he is a very 
reasonable person so it won't be the new Soviet Union by a any means.  Hillary 
is too "status quo" with lots of skeletons in her closet.
 
 On 10/21/2015 07:22 AM, mailto:hepa7@...hepa7@... mailto:hepa7@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
 

   
 Whatthree psychics told us will happen in the 2016 election
 
 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/22/what-three-psychics-told-us-will-happen-in-the-2016-election/
 
 Whatthree 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Planets support Hillary!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I hope Martin exercises regularly, as he will need it next time around, to 
successfully scurry away from the bug spray.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think this guy typifies today's capitalism.  Let's raise the price of an 
inexpensive AIDS drug 5,455% because we can.  We will create a wealth at the 
expense of human decency.

Martin Shkreli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli

 
 
 Martin Shkreli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli Martin Shkreli (born April 1, 
1983) is an American hedge fund manager and entrepreneur, specializing in 
healthcare businesses, and is a co-founder of MSMB Capital Management and the 
founder of Turing Pharmaceuticals AG. He is a co-founder and was the chief 
executive ...


 
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Much of capitalism today is based on false value created by legal manipulations 
to create artificial scarcity.  This false scarcity inflates value.

As far a species survival, economics has very little to do with it progress, 
but much to do with its demise.  Wealth is not necessarily "pay it forward".

[FairfieldLife] Re: NYTIMES >>> TM IN NY SCHOOLS

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Agreed. Those entrusted with protecting the techniques for realization, have 
themselves not reached the goal. So how can they lead others? Those at the top 
of the org are blind, though still at the effect of natural laws that render 
them less and less effective. Which is kind of a good thing, though quite 
awkward when viewed from the outside, in. Bad PR. Further limiting their 
visibility would be helpful.  

 TM can be easily integrated into all levels of society, as DL's programs have 
shown. Why we still need this old guard is beyond me. TM was always a program 
for the masses, and never a fetish over domes, doorways, and diet. These 
historical figures should be treated with respect, while gently led from power. 
That is probably the way it will go anyway, if they are as you describe - no 
succession, so this branch will literally die out. Perhaps it was intended that 
way, to prevent a religion from forming, and instead integrate TM into society 
more like the gym franchise at the mall. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In the old days the split was differentiated by field teacher types, the 
worker bees who effectively ran and taught the programs to people (meditators) 
out in the centers around the country and around the world and then the 
'mood-makers' in type who tended to congregate around wherever Maharishi was. 
One side was more effective in life and the others were more skinny and pale in 
life. You can kind of see who is left in the movement by default by going to 
meetings. There are a lot of childless, particularly skinny or excessively out 
of shape over-weight pale people in a type left remaining on guard duty in the 
fort, holding the fort as some of them see it.  There is a bit of a fight going 
on between folks over who gets to occupy the fort.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It looks like the TMO has developed a split - On the one hand, instruction in 
TM and the TM-Sidhis, is going very well, and gaining a lot of popularity. On 
the other, the more 'research-oriented' activities, culminating in MUM and the 
World Government programs, are marginally successful. Maharishi did a good job 
of presenting Vedic knowledge in all its forms, but now it seems to have become 
largely dogma at the higher reaches of the TMO, not serving those who try to 
live by it.  

 Why not turn MUM into an on-line school to broaden its reach, and move all the 
World Govt. up to MVC? Then put some excellent administrators in place, to grow 
and spread the reach of TM and TMSP. Seems like a very mixed message these 
days, with a lot of in-fighting, which could be solved by further separating 
these two branches of the organization.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Spiritual Morality.. how about introducing practical ideas to these young 
people about those things what are useful to spiritual evolution and what 
things or activities could be hurtful or harmful as a part of spiritual 
instruction one can gain through learning to cultivate spiritual experience 
[inner consciousness] by quiet-time meditation practices?  Possibly giving a 
sense of spiritual discernment as to a construct of such things that are 
helpful as virtues and such things that are hurtful being sinful to one's 
spiritual growth. Not introducing religion but just some useful interpretive 
clarifying ideas as for a helpful public education, -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And, what does the public school principal do when searching the internet 
about TM and the principal finds the Global Country of World Peace with its 
patriarchy of kings and rajas?  How does a David Lynch TM teacher explain that 
to the public school administrator?
 

 salyavin808 writes:

 

 Simple. He admits that the TMO is a Hindoo religious sect that holds the vedas 
of India as the purest example of perfect human knowledge and that we firmly 
believe that recreating their alleged society would be the best thing for all 
mankind because we have houses that make you invincible, prayers that can end 
wars - if you can afford them - and if that doesn't work we can hop up and down 
until peace is restored.
 

 Then he picks up his unemployment cheque and heads out the door.
 

 OR, he can say that that is just the way we do things in our organisation but 
TM itself is sold according to it's proven benefits for self-development to 
whoever wants it. What you don't want to do is admit that the DLF is a gateway 
foundation to gradually indoctrinating new meditators by telling them about 
unified fields and yogic flying and systematically getting them into the belief 
system until they've swapped reality for Marshy's knowledge. Like they did with 
us
 

 

 

 
 

 Nine Days of Mother Divine

 Daily Celebrations at the Maharishi 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sudden Awakening and Gradual Cultivation

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This appears to have morphed into a defense vs criticism of the TMO. Not my 
fight, though you may want to consider that yogic science has been around a lot 
longer than any branch of western science, and the benefits are there, if not 
always accepted. trying to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater. PS I 
don't think your comments wrt yogic science were racist, though that may be one 
reason such science is not taken seriously - the "not invented here" syndrome. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, there is a pretty strong bias against yogic science in the West. 
Possibly even a racial prejudice. Yoga did not evolve out of either the Western 
sciences or religions, and as such, is considered suspect by many. 
 

 No, I have no bias against "yogic" science because there is no such division 
between east and west in my mind. There is simply science that works, and 
science that doesn't work. If two apparently different disciplines come to 
different conclusions about the same thing then one of them is wrong.
 

 And there's no need for the race card as I have no prejudice, we are brothers 
under the skin that are brought up in different cultures. That is all.

 

 In terms of Western science, there is certainly no justification to spend 
billions to send space probes to other celestial bodies and planets. 
 

 Whoa! Who says there's no justification and what would that have to do with 
the argument anyway? Perhaps we can read this as a pre-emptive admission that 
"yogic" science wouldn't be able to achieve sustained flight due to its obvious 
confusion about hopping and gravity, let alone escaping the Earth's atmosphere. 
 

 When asked, the people involved mention some fantasy about colonizing other 
planets. Excuse me? That is easily as far-fetched as the Maharishi Effect, in 
terms of technology's ability to fulfill such an undertaking. Perhaps in 
several centuries, but not any time soon, given the magnitude of such an 
undertaking. Yet, because we can send a robot to Mars, no one questions the 
veracity of such a fantasy, and the continued billions spent. 
 

 It isn't really as far fetched as the Marshy effect because space travel is 
actually possible - we've already done it - and travel to other stars is 
clearly permitted by the laws of physics - there's no mysterious power stopping 
us doing it. The ME on the other hand, is lacking both the evidence for it's 
claimed efficacy and an explanation of how it might possibly work. Especially 
an explanation that isn't in flat contradiction of everything else we know.
 

 The only justification for space travel we need is that it's human nature to 
explore. And that's all the justification we need for meditation too. What we 
lack in the TMO is a realistic explanation for what these altered states mean 
and whether they are actually of any real benefit and whether they do actually 
lead to some sort of promised land. 
 

 And I'm not writing this as a mere passing cynic, if we were playing States of 
Consciousness Bingo I would have called full house decades ago. 
 

 Equally so, we can have awareness, so why not investigate it further? Perhaps 
some of the initiatives of the TMO have not apparently borne fruit. Still, it 
is painting with an awfully broad and arrogant brush, to extend this reasoning 
to include all branches of yogic science. 
 

 Don't worry, I'm an equal opportunities sceptic. Every belief or practise will 
stand or fall on its own merits and I think that Marshy's "meditation is all 
you need" has fallen as Buck's story of dying people being depressed that they 
didn't get to the goal is one of the saddest things I ever heard. Hence my 
anger at the perpetual folie a deux of the TMO in it's refusal to admit 
mistakes. It's most unscientific, yogic or otherwise.
 

 Yogic science is the study of consciousness. The emphasis on flash is so 
misguided. Flashy experiences can be very encouraging, but to set a program up 
to encourage them, is like passing around a doob and the highest one wins. wtf? 

 

 And I forgot to collect my prize!
 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And depression while on the path, .. 'You're not awake?' This aspect of 
feeling a type of failing we can find on occasion in the old meditating 
community here where there can be some depression around what might be judged 
as one's meager sense of attainment when faced with others' spiritual 
advancement by comparison.  
 In the Dome culture itself there has been all this attention given to the 
'number-one' experience.  On occasion there have been people leaving (life or 
town) with feelings of a lack of accomplishment.  Some with a depression of 
maybe having wasted life or failed by comparison with others.  
 

 Of course there is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sudden Awakening and Gradual Cultivation

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why would NASA speak about colonizing *anything*?? It sort of proves my point 
that such a fantasy is  centuries away. They aren't even close to having the 
tech to initiate such a project. And yes, we now have TANG, the orange-flavored 
breakfast drink with a full day's worth of Vitamin C, from our moon missions. 
:-)  Let's take particle physics as another example, with no practical value to 
any of their experiments, and yet somehow a collective feeling that this is 
useful science, vs yogic science, which is largely seen as mystical. The bias 
is unmistakable, as is the preference for funding. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, there is a pretty strong bias against yogic science in the West. 
Possibly even a racial prejudice. Yoga did not evolve out of either the Western 
sciences or religions, and as such, is considered suspect by many.  

 In terms of Western science, there is certainly no justification to spend 
billions to send space probes to other celestial bodies and planets. When 
asked, the people involved mention some fantasy about colonizing other planets. 
Excuse me? That is easily as far-fetched as the Maharishi Effect, in terms of 
technology's ability to fulfill such an undertaking. Perhaps in several 
centuries, but not any time soon, given the magnitude of such an undertaking. 
Yet, because we can send a robot to Mars, no one questions the veracity of such 
a fantasy, and the continued billions spent.
 

 

 

 I don't know who you've been listening to, but I don't believe it's scientists 
who are actually involved in the space probe missions. The vast majority will 
agree that colonization is an extremely long-term goal, one that they aren't 
even thinking about currently. They're much too busy making use of their 
findings and technology to benefit life on earth.
 

 Have a look at this from NASA. See if you can find any mention of colonization.
 

 

 

 

 

 Overview https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html 
 
 https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html
 
 Overview https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html NASA.gov 
brings you the latest images, videos and news from America's space agency. Get 
the latest updates on NASA missions, watch NASA TV live, and lea...


 
 View on www.nasa.gov https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sudden Awakening and Gradual Cultivation

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The NASA blurb is all self-serving PR about how their current missions will 
allow them further exploration of space. Not even a replacement for TANG has 
been developed - lol...As for satellite tech, yes that is useful, and why I 
restricted my comment to exploration of other planets. Sure, as NASA says, 
their mission is to further explore our meaning and destiny. So, outer 
exploration is seen as a valid use of science. Inner exploration, aka yogic 
science, not so much. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why would NASA speak about colonizing *anything*??
 

 ollieollieollie, it was you who just wrote, "When asked, the people involved 
mention some fantasy about colonizing other planets."
 

 It sort of proves my point that such a fantasy is  centuries away.
 

 Nobody is disputing that point, especially not the folks involved in the space 
probe missions. Colonization is still just science fiction.
 

 They aren't even close to having the tech to initiate such a project. And yes, 
we now have TANG, the orange-flavored breakfast drink with a full day's worth 
of Vitamin C, from our moon missions. :-)
 

 Yeah, you should probably read the page I linked to to see what other benefits 
there are already and will be soon from space exploration.
  

 Let's take particle physics as another example, with no practical value to any 
of their experiments, and yet somehow a collective feeling that this is useful 
science
 

 I'll let salyavin handle the notion that particle physics is not a useful 
science.
 

 

 

 

 

 , vs yogic science, which is largely seen as mystical. The bias is 
unmistakable, as is the preference for funding. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yeah, there is a pretty strong bias against yogic science in the West. 
Possibly even a racial prejudice. Yoga did not evolve out of either the Western 
sciences or religions, and as such, is considered suspect by many.  

 In terms of Western science, there is certainly no justification to spend 
billions to send space probes to other celestial bodies and planets. When 
asked, the people involved mention some fantasy about colonizing other planets. 
Excuse me? That is easily as far-fetched as the Maharishi Effect, in terms of 
technology's ability to fulfill such an undertaking. Perhaps in several 
centuries, but not any time soon, given the magnitude of such an undertaking. 
Yet, because we can send a robot to Mars, no one questions the veracity of such 
a fantasy, and the continued billions spent.
 

 

 

 I don't know who you've been listening to, but I don't believe it's scientists 
who are actually involved in the space probe missions. The vast majority will 
agree that colonization is an extremely long-term goal, one that they aren't 
even thinking about currently. They're much too busy making use of their 
findings and technology to benefit life on earth.
 

 Have a look at this from NASA. See if you can find any mention of colonization.
 

 

 

 

 

 Overview https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html 
 
 https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html
 
 Overview https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html NASA.gov 
brings you the latest images, videos and news from America's space agency. Get 
the latest updates on NASA missions, watch NASA TV live, and lea...


 
 View on www.nasa.gov https://www.nasa.gov/topics/benefits/overview/index.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Daughter

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

lol - yes, exactly. DNA testing could put all of this to rest in a week, but 
loose talk is easier to sell, especially wrt sex, money, secrets, and spiritual 
masters. Pretty much the ultimate gossip machine, right there.  

 As for those like Judith who probably had a sexual relationship with 
Maharishi, and won't let anyone forget it, the mindset is like some former 
child actors, who had a brief moment in the sun, and now harken back to it 
constantly - "I was Pookie, on 'Who's The Boss'!" - showing up at amusement 
parks and state fairs to milk that long ago moment on television, same haircut 
40 years later, only now dyed a strange orange color. :-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Move over Girish, roll over King Tony, we have a hereditary Queen! Long may 
she live!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I received the new, revised edition of Judith Bourque's book Robes of Silk, 
Feet of Clay today with three new chapters and new photos.
 

 I only had time to thumb through it briefly but I did note one of the new 
chapters which goes into some detail about the other women she has heard since 
publication of the first edition who also had liaisons with MMY. One woman of 
note is apparently also about to come out with her own story. There was also 
the news, that was certainly new to me, that MMY has a daughter from one of 
these trysts who lives in the US.
 

 My wife and I know Judith well and she is truly a lovely woman of 
unimpeachable character. 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Daughter

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am not trying to steal your thunder, just having a little fun at the expense 
of those who tiresomely raise these faux issues. Perhaps you could be a style 
consultant to Judith, ensuring her chaste but somewhat worldly appearance, so 
that she can continue to play the role she was obviously born for? No more 
saris, but keep the hems down and the collars up. And what a boost for your own 
popularity among the guru bashing subculture.  

 Carry on, please, I am all ears.:-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, that DNA testing should be a piece of cake to get wouldn't you think?. 
I'm sure a simple request to Girish and the Srivastava/Varma clan would 
suffice. ;  ) 

 My understanding from a friend yesterday is that there was a generous 
settlement to provide for the daughter and the family's silence. 
 

 I suppose you have it in for the women who are coming forward in the Bill 
Cosby case as well?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 lol - yes, exactly. DNA testing could put all of this to rest in a week, but 
loose talk is easier to sell, especially wrt sex, money, secrets, and spiritual 
masters. Pretty much the ultimate gossip machine, right there.  

 As for those like Judith who probably had a sexual relationship with 
Maharishi, and won't let anyone forget it, the mindset is like some former 
child actors, who had a brief moment in the sun, and now harken back to it 
constantly - "I was Pookie, on 'Who's The Boss'!" - showing up at amusement 
parks and state fairs to milk that long ago moment on television, same haircut 
40 years later, only now dyed a strange orange color. :-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Move over Girish, roll over King Tony, we have a hereditary Queen! Long may 
she live!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I received the new, revised edition of Judith Bourque's book Robes of Silk, 
Feet of Clay today with three new chapters and new photos.
 

 I only had time to thumb through it briefly but I did note one of the new 
chapters which goes into some detail about the other women she has heard since 
publication of the first edition who also had liaisons with MMY. One woman of 
note is apparently also about to come out with her own story. There was also 
the news, that was certainly new to me, that MMY has a daughter from one of 
these trysts who lives in the US.
 

 My wife and I know Judith well and she is truly a lovely woman of 
unimpeachable character. 

 

 










  

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's Daughter

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's it?! All the windup and bluster about earth shattering secrets, ending 
with a 'fuck you'? That is lame, my friend. Where is your supporting evidence, 
beyond the word-smithed PR essay you provided earlier?  

 Also, adding a 'fuck you' at this stage is completely premature. You need to 
be in an unassailable position to blithely toss out the 'fuck you', and you 
aren't even close. Where's your backing info, besides 'because I told you so, 
and Judith told me'? It is hearsay, at best, possibly complete BS, until you 
demonstrate differently. And btw, another 'fuck you' would simply sink you at 
this point. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're all ears? Really? OK, lean in close. No, closer. That's it, good. FUCK 
YOU.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am not trying to steal your thunder, just having a little fun at the expense 
of those who tiresomely raise these faux issues. Perhaps you could be a style 
consultant to Judith, ensuring her chaste but somewhat worldly appearance, so 
that she can continue to play the role she was obviously born for? No more 
saris, but keep the hems down and the collars up. And what a boost for your own 
popularity among the guru bashing subculture.  

 Carry on, please, I am all ears.:-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, that DNA testing should be a piece of cake to get wouldn't you think?. 
I'm sure a simple request to Girish and the Srivastava/Varma clan would 
suffice. ;  ) 

 My understanding from a friend yesterday is that there was a generous 
settlement to provide for the daughter and the family's silence. 
 

 I suppose you have it in for the women who are coming forward in the Bill 
Cosby case as well?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 lol - yes, exactly. DNA testing could put all of this to rest in a week, but 
loose talk is easier to sell, especially wrt sex, money, secrets, and spiritual 
masters. Pretty much the ultimate gossip machine, right there.  

 As for those like Judith who probably had a sexual relationship with 
Maharishi, and won't let anyone forget it, the mindset is like some former 
child actors, who had a brief moment in the sun, and now harken back to it 
constantly - "I was Pookie, on 'Who's The Boss'!" - showing up at amusement 
parks and state fairs to milk that long ago moment on television, same haircut 
40 years later, only now dyed a strange orange color. :-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Move over Girish, roll over King Tony, we have a hereditary Queen! Long may 
she live!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I received the new, revised edition of Judith Bourque's book Robes of Silk, 
Feet of Clay today with three new chapters and new photos.
 

 I only had time to thumb through it briefly but I did note one of the new 
chapters which goes into some detail about the other women she has heard since 
publication of the first edition who also had liaisons with MMY. One woman of 
note is apparently also about to come out with her own story. There was also 
the news, that was certainly new to me, that MMY has a daughter from one of 
these trysts who lives in the US.
 

 My wife and I know Judith well and she is truly a lovely woman of 
unimpeachable character. 

 

 










  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sudden Awakening and Gradual Cultivation

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, there is a pretty strong bias against yogic science in the West. Possibly 
even a racial prejudice. Yoga did not evolve out of either the Western sciences 
or religions, and as such, is considered suspect by many.  

 In terms of Western science, there is certainly no justification to spend 
billions to send space probes to other celestial bodies and planets. When 
asked, the people involved mention some fantasy about colonizing other planets. 
Excuse me? That is easily as far-fetched as the Maharishi Effect, in terms of 
technology's ability to fulfill such an undertaking. Perhaps in several 
centuries, but not any time soon, given the magnitude of such an undertaking. 
Yet, because we can send a robot to Mars, no one questions the veracity of such 
a fantasy, and the continued billions spent. 
 

 Equally so, we can have awareness, so why not investigate it further? Perhaps 
some of the initiatives of the TMO have not apparently borne fruit. Still, it 
is painting with an awfully broad and arrogant brush, to extend this reasoning 
to include all branches of yogic science. 
 

 Yogic science is the study of consciousness. The emphasis on flash is so 
misguided. Flashy experiences can be very encouraging, but to set a program up 
to encourage them, is like passing around a doob and the highest one wins. wtf? 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And depression while on the path, .. 'You're not awake?' This aspect of 
feeling a type of failing we can find on occasion in the old meditating 
community here where there can be some depression around what might be judged 
as one's meager sense of attainment when faced with others' spiritual 
advancement by comparison.  
 In the Dome culture itself there has been all this attention given to the 
'number-one' experience.  On occasion there have been people leaving (life or 
town) with feelings of a lack of accomplishment.  Some with a depression of 
maybe having wasted life or failed by comparison with others.  
 

 Of course there is a whole spectrum.  Hearing of awakenings can have its 
effect of triggering for some.  Being in the field effect of communion with 
others who are spiritually attuned evidently has its validity.  And then for 
instance, my wife in her career practice as an RN vigil- ing with people has 
found folks on occasion feeling like midgets for all the time they put in (and 
yet others who leave life quite awake, but that is the different consideration 
than this acedia-trigger by comparison, she has been with hundreds of 
meditators or others as they have died and seen or been with the whole 
spectrum). 
 

 Rick in his experiment with BATGAP has uncovered and given voice to a lot of 
luminaries. I would bet that a feeling of disappointment or depression is not 
necessarily uncommon as some would sit and listen to all these other awakened.
 What do you feel about this?  Just wondering.  
 


 I think it demonstrates how much TM has failed as a spiritual teaching if 
people are still so attached to their ego's that they compare themselves to 
others for a sense of self worth. 
 

 The very fact that the dome keeps records of people having "Grade 1" 
experiences helps to perpetuate the myth of failure and indeed, the myth of 
success. But this idea that the flashy experiences some people get are an 
indication of spiritual advancement is what always kept the cash rolling in to 
the TMO, the myth of the seven states of consciousness that gradually unveils 
the reality of the world to you and suddenly - after releasing all the stress 
"trapped in your nervous system" - you will emerge into a wonderland of bliss 
and perfect health and total knowledge. And all the while lowering crime rates 
and creating world peace!
 

 Jesus, it's no wonder people are depressed. How likely was any of that? But we 
all fell for it - myself included - and who can blame us? All anybody wants is 
better health and more happiness but you've got to wake up out of the daydream 
sooner or later, and I don't mean awakened like the greedy saps Rick 
interviews, they're just yet more self-obsessed karma peddlers with books or 
DVD's to promote. More promises and thus more disappointments. This isn't 
enlightenment and the secret of getting there once one path has failed isn't to 
start on another path and then another. Get some smarts for crying out loud.
 

 There is no unified field of pure awareness, ayurveda is a bunch of untested 
folk remedies some of which are demonstrably dangerous, your house isn't 
magical because the front door faces the rising sun on two days of the year, 
people chanting prayers to Hindu gods does not influence your day in any way 
whatsoever, you will not sidestep the laws of physics by hopping up and down, 
your body is not made from Hindu scriptures, the planets don't know anything 
about your life that you don't, the shadow 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Fwd: Free talk: Speaking and listening from the heart

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Methinks MD's intention is to get a reaction counter to the platitudes and 
promises in the announcement - having us on. Pretty funny, actually. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like you are greatly in need of such a talk. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What an asshole.
 

 From: "Doug Hamilton dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL  
 Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Fwd: Free talk: Speaking and listening from the 
heart
 
 
   
 
 

 
 Free talk Monday Oct 12, 7 pm, Room 12 in the Sustainable Living Center  
 Jeff Brown: Speaking & Listening from the Heart 
 Non Violent Communication 
  
 * Deep Listening: Understanding others with empathy 
 * Authentic Self-Expression: Speaking honestly in a way that leads to 
connection
 * Creating Inner Peace: Converting judgments and resentments into human needs
 * Moving from unconscious reacting to conscious responding
 * Top 10 responses that block heartfelt connection
 * Gratitude: Giving and receiving appreciation
  
 https://www.facebook.com/events/1049051575113401/ 
https://www.facebook.com/events/1049051575113401/ 

   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 












 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I wonder if little Mahesh ever got the inkling as he was sitting in school, for 
example, that he would one day grow up to become a famous spiritual teacher? 
The times have definitely favored his message, and so many of us have been 
influenced by this one man. It could have been anybody (though probably Indian) 
that popularized  TM, and yet it just happened to be Maharishi. Even a hundred 
years ago, his mission would have been impossible. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the MVS Thesaurus: 

 Spirituality
 Description In 1957, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said that:   'Spiritual development 
is the birthright of everyone, for it is the unfoldment of the essential nature 
of the soul, or inner consciousness…. Soul is the individual property of 
everybody. It is the natural and inseparable possession, nay, the very 
existence, of every man. Everybody has the right to enjoy his own possession. 
Everybody has the right to enjoy the sat [truth] chit [Being] ananda [bliss] 
nature of his own soul. In the most natural manner, everybody has every right 
to enjoy permanent peace, bliss eternal, which is the nature of his own soul.'  
 -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Thirty Years Around the World—Dawn of the Age of 
Enlightenment, Volume One 1957-1964 (Netherlands: MVU Press, 1986), p. 195.   
Some people feel that the outer or material joys of life are opposed to, or 
diminish, the spiritual value, and that one has to give up, or become detached, 
from material values in order to achieve inner fulfillment.   Below is a short 
video of Maharishi reflecting on the topic of spirituality. Here Maharishi 
points out that inner spirituality does not conflict with the outer material 
value of life: See video 
onhttp://www.enlightenmentforeveryone.com/spirituality/. 
http://www.enlightenmentforeveryone.com/spirituality/   Maharishi always said 
we should enjoy 200% of life—100% of the inner spiritual value along with 100% 
of the outer material value. He offered Transcendental Meditation as a simple 
way to integrate abstract absolute being with the concrete details of the 
relative.
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

One thing strongly in favor of Ms. Clinton is that she has served both in the 
US Senate, and the Cabinet, so she is very much aware of how things get done, 
or not, in the Federal Government, and has a bizillion connections. Easily the 
most capable resume among those running. Going after her supposed character 
flaws is like waving a white flag, imo, signaling that she has no substantial 
competition.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think so. But then you know the Clintons.If you don't drive a stake through 
their heart, they'll rise up again and again. She has this knack of playing the 
victim. Oh, poor pitiful me, I'm so misunderstood, it's all a right wing 
conspiracy plot... yada yada yada. However, I think the media is on to this. 
When you start seeing articles about how mean she is and how she keeps 
reintroducing herself , you know somethings up.

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 11:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure
 
 
   Excellent video.  Does that mean Hillary Clinton is done?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Logan M Cheek III 
 To: Alena Landa 
 Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50 pm
 Subject: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure
 
 
http://viewpure.com/Prls6Iz3B3E http://viewpure.com/Prls6Iz3B3E


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I haven't forgotten that she is a politician, as are the rest.:-) I was 
pointing more at her success and time in two branches of the Federal Govt. It 
IS *tough*, probably impossible, to find the mythical 100% public servant, 
especially in the upper reaches of government. The pyramid shrinks on the way 
up, and it takes a certain ruthlessness, and gobs of money, to persevere to the 
Presidency, regardless of party, past, or anything else.  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, some may agree with you on that but others say she didn't serve the US 
Senate or State Department, but herself and her own ambitions. The Clinton 
Foundation sure did take in a lot of money during her tenure at Secretary of  
State.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure
 
 
   One thing strongly in favor of Ms. Clinton is that she has served both in 
the US Senate, and the Cabinet, so she is very much aware of how things get 
done, or not, in the Federal Government, and has a bizillion connections. 
Easily the most capable resume among those running. Going after her supposed 
character flaws is like waving a white flag, imo, signaling that she has no 
substantial competition. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think so. But then you know the Clintons.If you don't drive a stake through 
their heart, they'll rise up again and again. She has this knack of playing the 
victim. Oh, poor pitiful me, I'm so misunderstood, it's all a right wing 
conspiracy plot... yada yada yada. However, I think the media is on to this. 
When you start seeing articles about how mean she is and how she keeps 
reintroducing herself , you know somethings up.

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 9, 2015 11:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure
 
 
   Excellent video.  Does that mean Hillary Clinton is done?

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Logan M Cheek III 
 To: Alena Landa 
 Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50 pm
 Subject: Klintonerdämmerung / ViewPure
 
 
http://viewpure.com/Prls6Iz3B3E http://viewpure.com/Prls6Iz3B3E


Sent from my iPhone





 













 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirituality

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks - I like this broader context of the transcendental wave running through 
time and consciousness, with some of us picking it up (again and again) as it 
comes by. Perhaps the efficiency of the TM technique (diving deeply, precisely, 
and quickly, 2 x 20) speaks to this age, where we don't have a lot of time to 
learn about transcending. Nature's balance for fast-paced modern life, and with 
any luck, some progress in the meantime.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, in a line Maharishi's transcendentalism message a hundred years before 
was carried forward as American Transcendentalism by Emerson and the American 
transcendentalist satsanga at the time. Same message of populist 
transcendentalism was carried then as seems always has been carried in somewhat 
of a line through time. 
  Transcendentalism evidently has long lineage. Evidently Transcending as 
experience and then transcendentalism as satsanga are a story-line to read that 
runs through out time. For instance, Quaker Meeting here in Fairfield starts in 
a little while. George Fox, founder of the historic Society of Friends 
satsanga, he like Maharishi was another mystic in the line of 
transcendentalism.  And, you and we are in that line too, transcendentalists in 
time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wonder if little Mahesh ever got the inkling as he was sitting in school, 
for example, that he would one day grow up to become a famous spiritual 
teacher? The times have definitely favored his message, and so many of us have 
been influenced by this one man. It could have been anybody (though probably 
Indian) that popularized  TM, and yet it just happened to be Maharishi. Even a 
hundred years ago, his mission would have been impossible. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the MVS Thesaurus: 

 Spirituality
 Description In 1957, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said that:   'Spiritual development 
is the birthright of everyone, for it is the unfoldment of the essential nature 
of the soul, or inner consciousness…. Soul is the individual property of 
everybody. It is the natural and inseparable possession, nay, the very 
existence, of every man. Everybody has the right to enjoy his own possession. 
Everybody has the right to enjoy the sat [truth] chit [Being] ananda [bliss] 
nature of his own soul. In the most natural manner, everybody has every right 
to enjoy permanent peace, bliss eternal, which is the nature of his own soul.'  
 -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Thirty Years Around the World—Dawn of the Age of 
Enlightenment, Volume One 1957-1964 (Netherlands: MVU Press, 1986), p. 195.   
Some people feel that the outer or material joys of life are opposed to, or 
diminish, the spiritual value, and that one has to give up, or become detached, 
from material values in order to achieve inner fulfillment.   Below is a short 
video of Maharishi reflecting on the topic of spirituality. Here Maharishi 
points out that inner spirituality does not conflict with the outer material 
value of life: See video 
onhttp://www.enlightenmentforeveryone.com/spirituality/. 
http://www.enlightenmentforeveryone.com/spirituality/   Maharishi always said 
we should enjoy 200% of life—100% of the inner spiritual value along with 100% 
of the outer material value. He offered Transcendental Meditation as a simple 
way to integrate abstract absolute being with the concrete details of the 
relative.
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Fwd: Free talk: Speaking and listening from the heart

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, they used to call it having good manners.:-) I don't understand how 
communication can be violent, unless someone is holding a weapon, or about to 
assault someone else. It sounds like a bit of hyperbole. Also, when did my 
choice to respond peacefully, forcefully, humorously, or silently, go away? Is 
this outside influence of 'violent speech' so difficult to ignore, or modify?  

 This NVC process is a good reminder, and if it helps some towards 
self-awareness, fine, though like most teaching, the real knowledge comes from 
applying it in real world situations according to our own personalities, and 
looking at the results. That is a natural result of maturity, anyway.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Platitudes?  Actually NVC  { non violent communication } provides skill sets 
for civility and civil discourse.   

 It is very practical as to living well and working well with people.  Seems to 
be something the millennial generation is more attuned to and work at in their 
lives.  
 

 Do a You-tube search on Non violent communication and listen to some of the 
clips from NVC.  Is very much a how to. A lot like the yahoo-groups guidelines 
are conceived.  Very thoughtful and practical and applicable. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Methinks MD's intention is to get a reaction counter to the platitudes and 
promises in the announcement - having us on. Pretty funny, actually. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like you are greatly in need of such a talk. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What an asshole.
 

 From: "Doug Hamilton dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL  
 Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Fwd: Free talk: Speaking and listening from the 
heart
 
 
   
 
 

 
 Free talk Monday Oct 12, 7 pm, Room 12 in the Sustainable Living Center  
 Jeff Brown: Speaking & Listening from the Heart 
 Non Violent Communication 
  
 * Deep Listening: Understanding others with empathy 
 * Authentic Self-Expression: Speaking honestly in a way that leads to 
connection
 * Creating Inner Peace: Converting judgments and resentments into human needs
 * Moving from unconscious reacting to conscious responding
 * Top 10 responses that block heartfelt connection
 * Gratitude: Giving and receiving appreciation
  
 https://www.facebook.com/events/1049051575113401/ 
https://www.facebook.com/events/1049051575113401/ 

   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Explosions in Paris

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Not really - but the broader message is that France has admitted a large 
population from a region that is enmeshed in violence as an everyday 
occurrence, the Middle East. It has been going on for generations, inflamed 
recently by a series of wars. So to bring in a large population already locked 
in a culture of violence, there is a good chance it will show up again, 
regardless of religious affiliation. The Islamic link only serves to spur those 
on who are already bent on violence - it could be any cause, really. It is not 
a fair assessment to paint all of Islam with that brush. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This *is* Islam. It's called *jihad*! It's the struggle to create an Islamic 
Caliphate that eventually will encompass the world. One person's *jihad* could 
be with individual sin or weakness. But Islamic Jihad is the struggle to 
convert the world to Islam so that each individual can have his own personal 
Jihad.The cat's out of the bag now, Pandora has left her box. This crap is 
going global. It's coming to a neighborhood near you... including BC.

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Explosions in Paris
 
 
   S3,
 

 I just created a prashna horoscope asking the question:  who is the mastermind 
of this attack in Paris?
 

 The answer in the chart shows that the perpetrators are home grown individuals 
in France who are suicidal terrorists.  They're more likely Muslims.  The 
inspiration of the attackers is Saturn, signifying the color black.  So, what 
organization do we know that brandishes a flag flag?  ISIS of course!!
 


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "You can call them "Syrian" or "ISIS" or "Muslim" but that is far from the 
whole picture.":
 

 They're Muslims - deal with it.
 

 Talking about a WWII atrocity would you make the statement: "You can call them 
"Nazi" or "fascist" or "racist" but that is far from the whole picture"? It's 
not the whole picture but it is an essential element of the picture.
 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I just heard on CNN that Europe estimates that 5-6 thousand *European* 
citizens have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight with ISIS and now they are 
returning.

 

 This is my point. There really is no name for these monsters. They can be 
white, British, Muslim, black or American. The point is, it appears any number 
of people can be convinced that they have a duty to rid the planet of those who 
don't embrace the values and beliefs they embrace. You can call them "Syrian" 
or "ISIS" or "Muslim"but that is far from the whole picture.
 

 From: Mike Dixon 
 To: yahoogroups  
 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 4:22 PM
 Subject: Explosions in Paris
 
 
 Just woke up from a short nap. Turned on the TV and hear about bombings and 
murders on large scale in Paris but nobody is offering to say *who* is doing 
it. Need I ask?



















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to 
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So,  it 
proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked?  
 Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing 
themselves that way in the first place.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (A) You're in a Catholic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Christians 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Bible is good for is 
emergency toilet paper". 

 (B) You're in an Islamic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Muslims 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Koran is good for is 
emergency toilet paper".
 

 Which of those two situations would you judge to be most likely to end with 
your being hacked to death?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The tenents of Christianity are the teachings of Christ. Show me some actual 
quotes, Bible verses, in context, where Christ advocates violence on the part 
of man, towards his fellow man. I read about half of your article and it all 
dealt with men of power, Popes, Kings, etc  justifying their political actions 
in the *name* of Christ.There is a big difference in what Christ actually 
taught and what people actually did in His name. You and the article are 
referring to *justification* of violence but not the actual teaching Christ 
imparts. Can you see the difference? Mohamed, Koran and Haditha actually 
advocate violence and killing and refer to it as a necessary tenent of the 
faith. 

 

 You can check out some of these. Someone has gone to some trouble to find 
these so go ahead and see if any qualify here as "proof" that Jesus could 
sometimes get a little testy.
 

 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html 
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

 

 


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SPIRITUAL ASTRONAUTS

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

crawling into the dryer, for a no heat spin cycle works too.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Astronauts report an “overview effect” from the awe of space travel—and you 
can replicate it here on Earth:
 

 This moment of awe has had a permanent effect on some astronauts’ lives. 
Charlie Duke, a lunar module pilot for Apollo 16, became a Christian after 
seeing earth from space; Jim Irwin of Apollo 15 became a preacher; Edgar 
Mitchell formed the Noetic Institute to research altered states of 
consciousness; 

  and Apollo 9 astronaut Russell Schweickart began transcendental 
meditation and dedicated himself to voluntary work. 
 

 Astronauts report an “overview effect” from the awe of space travel—and you 
can replicate it here on Earth 
http://qz.com/496201/astronauts-report-an-overview-effect-from-the-awe-of-space-travel-and-you-can-replicate-it-here-on-earth/

  
  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, I would agree. Muslims are no more prone to violence than anyone else is, 
but get up in their grill, kill their families, and shoot up their temples and 
you'll have an issue. Also refugee populations are great places to breed 
violent fanatics, since there are strongly diminished possibilities for 
education and any kind of work, not to mention the daily reminders of their 
oppression, and a group dedicated to violence, however misguided, at least 
gives them a purpose.  

 I was reading about the western migration in the US during the mid-1800's, and 
how these very educated and cultured pioneers from the East Coast, doctors, 
business owners, lawyers, and bankers, after experiencing starvation, 
exhaustion, disease, and attacks by indigenous tribes and outlaws, on the long 
trek across the continent, took on a much more violent and primitive character, 
as a result. I think we all as human beings react pretty much the same, when 
placed in similar circumstances.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tough to say how it would be, if the Islamic countries had invaded us, though, 
instead of the other way around. If I had to guess, having a foreign occupying 
army on your home soil brings out the most fanatical resistance, and 
reactionary attitudes in people. I am not excusing anyone's behavior either, 
but moving in the soldiers and tanks never goes unnoticed, especially once the 
populace begins getting killed. It gets personal, fast.
 

 I personally wouldn't say what our theoretical person said about the Bible or 
the Koran but I would say that there is little benefit is pegging or pigeon 
holing one large group of people as likely to do something as dramatic as kill 
another due to disrespect for their God, country or mother, for that matter. I 
think to do so sets up major psychological barriers to the possibility, no, the 
probability that one is generalizing waaayy too much. Militant, fanatical 
anyones at this very moment are overreacting and going berserk in the belief 
that they are right in smiting others dead where they stand because of 
different beliefs. While I admit that fanatical Muslims are more likely to want 
to chop your head off than a fanatical Christian (they'll just tell you you're 
lost and are going to go to hell for eternity) I think the average, balanced 
Muslim is as likely to not lop your head from your shoulders as the average, 
balanced (is this an oxymoron?) Christian. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The correct answer, chaps, is B. Pretty simple, that one. I am not impressed 
by people who say, well Christianity has a history of violence too. That may be 
correct but it was a long time ago, and the religion has evolved beyond that. 
Islam has not. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to 
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So,  it 
proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked?
 

 I had a similar thought regarding the strength and ugliness of the language 
used in this case - sounds like a button pusher to me. In other words, nothing 
constructive being conveyed other than the speaker wants to get someone riled. 
Of course, whether this would result in a killing is another question although, 
right off the top of my head, I would have to say it should not.  
 Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing 
themselves that way in the first place.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (A) You're in a Catholic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Christians 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Bible is good for is 
emergency toilet paper". 

 (B) You're in an Islamic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Muslims 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Koran is good for is 
emergency toilet paper".
 

 Which of those two situations would you judge to be most likely to end with 
your being hacked to death?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The tenents of Christianity are the teachings of Christ. Show me some actual 
quotes, Bible verses, in context, where Christ advocates violence on the part 
of man, towards his fellow man. I read about half of your article and it all 
dealt with men of power, Popes, Kings, etc  justifying their political actions 
in the *name* of Christ.There is a big difference in what Christ actually 
taught and what 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That would be my preference too. Living in a very permissive society, we may 
get used to the idea that we can say anything and do anything short of physical 
violence, in our little neck of the woods, without consequence, as our right. 
We then extrapolate that to the rest of the world, assuming the same disregard 
for expression, regardless of other cultures and traditions. I think a lot of 
the religious fundamentalism we see, is a reaction to the permissiveness of the 
West. We push, and they push back.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to 
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So,  it 
proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked?
 

 I had a similar thought regarding the strength and ugliness of the language 
used in this case - sounds like a button pusher to me. In other words, nothing 
constructive being conveyed other than the speaker wants to get someone riled. 
Of course, whether this would result in a killing is another question although, 
right off the top of my head, I would have to say it should not.  
 Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing 
themselves that way in the first place.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (A) You're in a Catholic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Christians 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Bible is good for is 
emergency toilet paper". 

 (B) You're in an Islamic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Muslims 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Koran is good for is 
emergency toilet paper".
 

 Which of those two situations would you judge to be most likely to end with 
your being hacked to death?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The tenents of Christianity are the teachings of Christ. Show me some actual 
quotes, Bible verses, in context, where Christ advocates violence on the part 
of man, towards his fellow man. I read about half of your article and it all 
dealt with men of power, Popes, Kings, etc  justifying their political actions 
in the *name* of Christ.There is a big difference in what Christ actually 
taught and what people actually did in His name. You and the article are 
referring to *justification* of violence but not the actual teaching Christ 
imparts. Can you see the difference? Mohamed, Koran and Haditha actually 
advocate violence and killing and refer to it as a necessary tenent of the 
faith. 

 

 You can check out some of these. Someone has gone to some trouble to find 
these so go ahead and see if any qualify here as "proof" that Jesus could 
sometimes get a little testy.
 

 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html 
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

 

 


 
 snip
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Tough to say how it would be, if the Islamic countries had invaded us, though, 
instead of the other way around. If I had to guess, having a foreign occupying 
army on your home soil brings out the most fanatical resistance, and 
reactionary attitudes in people. I am not excusing anyone's behavior either, 
but moving in the soldiers and tanks never goes unnoticed, especially once the 
populace begins getting killed. It gets personal, fast. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The correct answer, chaps, is B. Pretty simple, that one. I am not impressed 
by people who say, well Christianity has a history of violence too. That may be 
correct but it was a long time ago, and the religion has evolved beyond that. 
Islam has not. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to 
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So,  it 
proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked?
 

 I had a similar thought regarding the strength and ugliness of the language 
used in this case - sounds like a button pusher to me. In other words, nothing 
constructive being conveyed other than the speaker wants to get someone riled. 
Of course, whether this would result in a killing is another question although, 
right off the top of my head, I would have to say it should not.  
 Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing 
themselves that way in the first place.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (A) You're in a Catholic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Christians 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Bible is good for is 
emergency toilet paper". 

 (B) You're in an Islamic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Muslims 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Koran is good for is 
emergency toilet paper".
 

 Which of those two situations would you judge to be most likely to end with 
your being hacked to death?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The tenents of Christianity are the teachings of Christ. Show me some actual 
quotes, Bible verses, in context, where Christ advocates violence on the part 
of man, towards his fellow man. I read about half of your article and it all 
dealt with men of power, Popes, Kings, etc  justifying their political actions 
in the *name* of Christ.There is a big difference in what Christ actually 
taught and what people actually did in His name. You and the article are 
referring to *justification* of violence but not the actual teaching Christ 
imparts. Can you see the difference? Mohamed, Koran and Haditha actually 
advocate violence and killing and refer to it as a necessary tenent of the 
faith. 

 

 You can check out some of these. Someone has gone to some trouble to find 
these so go ahead and see if any qualify here as "proof" that Jesus could 
sometimes get a little testy.
 

 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html 
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

 

 


 
 snip
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and "conscious" using toxic chemicals 
on the roof of their meditation dome?
 

 Why didn't the college insist on the use of green products, consult with green 
experts or follow LEEDS best-practices and guidelines?
 

 A survey asking for community feedback about these issues was shared today: 
 

 https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27 
https://surveyplanet.com/preview/55ed8b0a4f05a0ab3c6fbe27

 

 Thanks -
 Karl 










 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

OK, though this has only become an issue recently, due to our military 
incursions into their territory. I am in favor of using our military to contain 
a threat, but in this case, we are the aggressors, right or wrong, and it seems 
presumptuous to be dictating our values to them as well, or making these kinds 
of comparisons.  

 Regardless the relative merits of the main religions, we can't absolve 
ourselves from having ignited the Middle East into the hell it has become. I 
agree with your point about violence not being a Christian tenet, but looking 
from the outside in, I'd have a tough time reconciling that, given our recent 
activities. Perhaps we can all focus a little more on the Christian values to 
help fix this disaster, and prevent any new ones. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think anyone is suggesting they can't be who they are. The east is 
east and the west is the west...The conversation has been centering on which of 
these two regions is more violent. My point is that Christianity is by nature, 
a non violent religion. Any violence done by Christians is not a part of 
Christs teaching and is purely political in nature. While violence is actually 
a part of Islam and is authorized in Islamic scripture. The peace of Islam 
comes after your head has been removed. Since it's inception, one submits by 
choice or by the sword. It is not just a religion but also a political system. 
The Indian subcontinent is completely aware of this. 

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 7:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary
 
 
   Yep, two extremes. Why not let these other countries do as they please? I 
don't understand this insistence that they mirror our values. Can't we see them 
for who they are, and simply stay away? As for the threat of those values 
taking root here in the US, not much chance. No one with a Koran has ever 
knocked on my door, wanting to discuss my relationship with Allah, or the 
prophet Mohammed.

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In countries dominated by Islam, secularism has little influence. Most law is 
Sharia or sharia based. If you blaspheme the *prophet* or Koran in Pakistan, 
you can be put to death or given a thousand lashes.In western, Judaeo/Christian 
cultures, you can photograph a crucifix in urine or paint the Madonna in 
elephant dung, put it on display in a government museum and you're thought to 
be *enlightened* and praised for it.
 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 10:26 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tough to say how it would be, if the Islamic countries had invaded us, though, 
instead of the other way around. If I had to guess, having a foreign occupying 
army on your home soil brings out the most fanatical resistance, and 
reactionary attitudes in people. I am not excusing anyone's behavior either, 
but moving in the soldiers and tanks never goes unnoticed, especially once the 
populace begins getting killed. It gets personal, fast.
 

 I personally wouldn't say what our theoretical person said about the Bible or 
the Koran but I would say that there is little benefit is pegging or pigeon 
holing one large group of people as likely to do something as dramatic as kill 
another due to disrespect for their God, country or mother, for that matter. I 
think to do so sets up major psychological barriers to the possibility, no, the 
probability that one is generalizing waaayy too much. Militant, fanatical 
anyones at this very moment are overreacting and going berserk in the belief 
that they are right in smiting others dead where they stand because of 
different beliefs. While I admit that fanatical Muslims are more likely to want 
to chop your head off than a fanatical Christian (they'll just tell you you're 
lost and are going to go to hell for eternity) I think the average, balanced 
Muslim is as likely to not lop your head from your shoulders as the average, 
balanced (is this an oxymoron?) Christian. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The correct answer, chaps, is B. Pretty simple, that one. I am not impressed 
by people who say, well Christianity has a history of violence too. That may be 
correct but it was a long time ago, and the religion has evolved beyond that. 
Islam has not. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to 
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So,  it 
proves exactly what, if the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, two extremes. Why not let these other countries do as they please? I don't 
understand this insistence that they mirror our values. Can't we see them for 
who they are, and simply stay away? As for the threat of those values taking 
root here in the US, not much chance. No one with a Koran has ever knocked on 
my door, wanting to discuss my relationship with Allah, or the prophet Mohammed.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In countries dominated by Islam, secularism has little influence. Most law is 
Sharia or sharia based. If you blaspheme the *prophet* or Koran in Pakistan, 
you can be put to death or given a thousand lashes.In western, Judaeo/Christian 
cultures, you can photograph a crucifix in urine or paint the Madonna in 
elephant dung, put it on display in a government museum and you're thought to 
be *enlightened* and praised for it.
 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 10:26 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Migrants in Hungary
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Tough to say how it would be, if the Islamic countries had invaded us, though, 
instead of the other way around. If I had to guess, having a foreign occupying 
army on your home soil brings out the most fanatical resistance, and 
reactionary attitudes in people. I am not excusing anyone's behavior either, 
but moving in the soldiers and tanks never goes unnoticed, especially once the 
populace begins getting killed. It gets personal, fast.
 

 I personally wouldn't say what our theoretical person said about the Bible or 
the Koran but I would say that there is little benefit is pegging or pigeon 
holing one large group of people as likely to do something as dramatic as kill 
another due to disrespect for their God, country or mother, for that matter. I 
think to do so sets up major psychological barriers to the possibility, no, the 
probability that one is generalizing waaayy too much. Militant, fanatical 
anyones at this very moment are overreacting and going berserk in the belief 
that they are right in smiting others dead where they stand because of 
different beliefs. While I admit that fanatical Muslims are more likely to want 
to chop your head off than a fanatical Christian (they'll just tell you you're 
lost and are going to go to hell for eternity) I think the average, balanced 
Muslim is as likely to not lop your head from your shoulders as the average, 
balanced (is this an oxymoron?) Christian. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The correct answer, chaps, is B. Pretty simple, that one. I am not impressed 
by people who say, well Christianity has a history of violence too. That may be 
correct but it was a long time ago, and the religion has evolved beyond that. 
Islam has not. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to 
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So,  it 
proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked?
 

 I had a similar thought regarding the strength and ugliness of the language 
used in this case - sounds like a button pusher to me. In other words, nothing 
constructive being conveyed other than the speaker wants to get someone riled. 
Of course, whether this would result in a killing is another question although, 
right off the top of my head, I would have to say it should not.  
 Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing 
themselves that way in the first place.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 (A) You're in a Catholic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Christians 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Bible is good for is 
emergency toilet paper". 

 (B) You're in an Islamic country sitting in a cafe. There are some Muslims 
nearby discussing their faith. You interrupt them to say: "I don't know why you 
waste your time with all that crap. The only thing The Koran is good for is 
emergency toilet paper".
 

 Which of those two situations would you judge to be most likely to end with 
your being hacked to death?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The tenents of Christianity are the teachings of Christ. Show me some actual 
quotes, Bible verses, in context, where Christ advocates violence on the part 
of man, towards his fellow man. I read about half of your article and it all 
dealt with men of power, Popes, Kings, etc  justifying their political actions 
in the *name* of Christ.There is a big 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer 
neglect. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded Message -
 From: "Fairfield Citizen karlherzl2008@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:44 AM
 Subject: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
 Hello - 
 Perhaps the group could offer insights into this controversy. It appears the 
repair job on the roof of the meditation dome for men is being done with highly 
toxic, suspected carcinogenic, chemical products, and Amish contractors who use 
teenage laborers. Some of these laborers appear very young. No safety gear 
appears to be in use.
 

 Questions:
 

 Why is the college using toxic (suspected carcinogen) products on the dome 
roof repair?
 

 Why is the college not requiring protective equipment on adults and teens 
working on the roof as a condition of the contract? (Harnesses, respirators, 
clothing)
 

 Is the roof repair project genuinely compliant with Iowa and Federal law 
regarding dangerous workplaces and children? Is the system being gamed?
 

 Why is a college that offers degrees in sustainable living, and loudly touts 
itself as organic, sustainable, Non-GMO and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

To clarify, similar to Mike D. I am a fan of TM and Maharishi's knowledge. 
However, the difference between my personal life experience of all things TM, 
and my experiences with, and stories told about, the TMO are sometimes at odds, 
and not in a good way. I am not out to bash them, more to explore what might be 
causing the issues, along the lines of Doug's comments. I also recognize it is 
a sensitive subject. 

 As a resident of Fairfield, what is your take on the overall condition of the 
MUM campus? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still 
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, 
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, 
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the lungs. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Question- What is the toxic substance being used? How long is it toxic for? 
Does it dissipate? Is there a better ,longer lasting, cost effective substance 
to use? Is the *organic* mold in the domes any less toxic? How old are the 
Amish workers? Are they currently out of school and doing summer work? Are they 
union? Are they undercutting union workers?
 

 I would imagine the substance being used on the domes is some sort of sealer 
and wood preserver, among other things, and that would mean some sort of either 
creosote or petroleum product as in tar. These things are carcinogenic, as are 
a multitude of other products including glues, foams etc. Unfortunately, 
undertaking a heavy duty roofing job has to include toxic materials as I don't 
believe the Iowa weather is conducive to banana leaves or palm fronds providing 
adequate cover over a shelter. On the other hand, workmen should be adequately 
protected against these fumes and other ways in which these waterproofers and 
sealers can get all over you. To be working without respirators and adequate 
suits and gloves would be idiotic and most likely against the law.
 

 From: "Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FFL Post  
 Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not 
leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   
 Of possible interest here...

 - Forwarded 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It seems the only way to counter such a situation is to create a management 
group, paid real-world wages to maintain the property. The current unbalanced 
attitude of all the attention on managing the knowledge, with little thought 
given to the infrastructure, isn't working. Though in order to create the will 
to move forward, the larger issue as you say, is to get past the politics, 
which in any spiritual or religious organization, are incredibly entrenched.  

 Revolutionary movements don't attract good administrators. It is a different 
skill set, and during phase two, once the the change is established, and the 
prime leader gone, such movements, both political and spiritual, have been 
historically prone to the sort of dictatorship now evident at MUM. Dr. Nader 
though very well meaning, is too academically oriented to take on the COO 
(Chief Operations Officer) role, though that is the position needed now, with 
the will to support it. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good observation about administration of spiritual orgs.  I was at a meeting 
last night that was all about mitigating this.  A clear and present danger that 
is a real problem for the survival of the university [and Domes] is with a 
character of a few conservative belief-based ideologues that occupy key 
position.  The metrics for a very long time for the university are all about 
attrition.  This is about the toxicity of movement culture and it is getting 
down to an urgent point of survival of the very university if people don't 
change. 

 That though is different than this re-roofing the Domes.  Re-roofing the Domes 
is a tip of an iceberg underneath.  -JaiGuruYou!   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM 
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem 
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the 
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There is also no 
'spiritual administration' degree offered in schools, so the requirements for 
managing things are very subjective, often dependent on who the leader favored, 
vs. competence. Last, there may be some magical thinking going on, or at least 
rationalized denial. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As for the dome, itself, my recollection is that on top of all that beautiful 
woodwork is foam insulation (probably sprayed on) and topped with some kind of 
protective membrane. I doubt there's much in the way of new-age hippy roofing 
material that could be used on such a structure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too, 
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal, 
getting into the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still 
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, 
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, 
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it can get away with, 
regardless of the out-come. When it comes to physical structures, this is 
manifest in planning, actual building and maintenance. Putting all three things 
together with the intent to save money and they get disaster.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond 
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material 
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly 
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without addressing the 
foundation leaks you mention, my concern is that they are further sealing in 
the existing mold. Such revelry when the dome was built, and now this. Sad. 
First step would be to fire the facilities manager, and give the next one a 
decent budget. Some really un-grounded thinking going on, or just sheer neglect.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 
 I haven't been in the dome in 21 years, and it was the mold that finally drove 
me out of there. It was the summer of '94, when we had the huge Midwest floods, 
and water was flowing into the basement of the men's dome like a sieve because 
they had originally just pushed dirt up against the foundation without applying 
any kind of waterproofing or drains. I'd walk in the door, and my lungs would 
freeze up; so, I'd take a deep breath, walk in, kick off my shoes, and head 
upstairs, where the air was better. But, I kept coming out of program with 
headaches. At that point, the only reason I went to the dome was Petra 
insisting on it, and I finally put my foot down and kicked my flying wings to 
the curb.

As 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks Doug. I don't want to imply that those like "Karl" (Whose piece I have 
yet to read...) may not be entirely objective in their assessment, though it is 
much more valuable in any case to hear your direct observations. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I've walked around inspecting the Dome several times the last few weeks. 
It is fine. I am not concerned. I have done that kind of work and they are 
doing fine. The structure is easy to work on. Some kids were around traveling 
with the crew but not handling or applying the material. For the type of work 
and type of applicator you don't necessarily need respirators. You apply it 
from the up wind side. The report by Karl seems overblown concern. The 
facilities people at the university researched options for the job and found a 
company that would give a 10 year guarantee on the work. The previous 
contractor the last time the roofing job was done is not around.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

 I don't know about the bash fest but I certainly had the thought that this one 
post about someone's (Karl's, presumably) concerns about carcinogenic dome 
materials and underage, under protected, underpaid workers is unsubstantiated 
at this point. It wouldn't be hard to do a little detective work in the space 
of 24 hours to find out if any of it is true. Certainly, if I was in FF and 
worried about it I would have already started finding facts out. Has anyone 
here done that at all?
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. Not leadership. Not Cool.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for this - I read most of the MUM Strategic Plan, and it is on par with 
any corporate annual report. I appreciated the level of detail, such as a line 
item budget, and reasonable growth expectations. The level of detail is 
appropriate too, so that this could be used as a working document to get 
started. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The physical condition of campus? It is a well-enough functioning university 
campus. Always work in process around the whole campus but it is manifestly 
being worked on by conscious strategic planning. Some of the Trustees are more 
proactive now with their money supporting things strategically. Things improved 
as Bevan was removed as chairman of the board of trustees. Though still as 
university president with some people who serve at his pleasure they still sit 
on things. But there yet are a lot of good people in it altruistically.
 

 
http://portals.mum.edu/TempDocuments/393_MUM_Strategic_Plan_%E2%80%93_First_Revision_Spring_2014.pdf
 
http://portals.mum.edu/TempDocuments/393_MUM_Strategic_Plan_%E2%80%93_First_Revision_Spring_2014.pdf

 

 

 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 To clarify, similar to Mike D. I am a fan of TM and Maharishi's knowledge. 
However, the difference between my personal life experience of all things TM, 
and my experiences with, and stories told about, the TMO are sometimes at odds, 
and not in a good way. I am not out to bash them, more to explore what might be 
causing the issues, along the lines of Doug's comments. I also recognize it is 
a sensitive subject. 

 As a resident of Fairfield, what is your take on the overall condition of the 
MUM campus? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As far as I can see, this thread is based entirely on unverified statements 
made by someone called Karl, and yet those statements are being treated as 
facts, leading to a bash-the-TMO fest. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still 
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's, 
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies, 
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This would actually be going against the *culture* of theTMO. Loyalty would be 
challenged. If you think going to see another guru is Verboten, try calling 
OSHA on the TMO! You would instantly be the Judas of the movement. Am I wrong 
or am I just too *negative*? Really, I like Maharishi and TM but in Kali yuga 
*everything* is tainted!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Toxics, the dome and the Amish. Not green. 
Not leadership. Not Cool.
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Air in the ladies' dome is still crap, though. Even wearing a mask, Petra 
can't take going there more than once in a while.
 

 Has anyone thought to actually get in an air quality control professional who 
can test the mold spores in the air? Or the formaldehyde or other such 
contaminants? This isn't rocket science and as administrator or someone 
associated with the place I would insist on it. It is only responsible to do so 
and is a no brainer given the fact you are offering a facility to the public 
where there might be health concerns arising from bad air quality. Why not put 
a bug in the ear of non MUM officials in town whose job it might be to inspect 
these places? Blow the whistle, so to speak, given real concerns about not only 
the engineering but the health issues this would be incumbent on someone to do 
so. Hell, I'll do it! I'm good at raising a little hell...LOL
 Or, are the townfolk in the pockets of MUM administration? Or, are there even 
any native town folk left??

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re: the supposed mold. This rumor gets re-circulated. Things got changed quite 
a lot when they changed the entrance for the men's Dome to the East side of the 
Dome and built the entryway/ coat room there a few years ago. That closed off 
the basement level entry to the Dome. The air-handling system was invested in 
and changed then too in major ways. Also new foam and linens got ordered and 
replaced the old. There is a regular system for reducing dust by laundering 
sheets. Actually the Quality of the air is quite good now relative to what was 
the mold problem.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 what I've personally witnessed over the course of my life is that the TMO does 
things as cheaply as possible. Spend as little as it 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the 
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ 
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal 
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or a visa. In 
both agribiz and the hotel and service industries, these big corps. look the 
other way, not bothering to validate the flood of false credentials, while 
knowingly employing thousands of illegals. It is a false issue, really. A big 
lie to set the middle class in confict, while the profits continue to roll in. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do not fit in. They are unwilling to adopt the values of liberal, secular 
Western culture. They are also prone to violence and become easy recruits for 
radical Islamic jihadi groups that wish to destroy the West and impose their 
own values on us.  
 

 I can't take your word for this. I would have to do some extensive reading to 
come to understand what is true and what is false in what you say. There are 
always problems with any influx of anybody. There are problems when too many 
family members get together for a holiday, for pete's sake. I feel cultural 
diversity is healthy and desirable. I don't want a white bread culture and 
although I don't welcome violence from anyone (God knows the US has more than 
its share between its current residents already) I can not see how anyone could 
possibly predict how the Syrian families and individuals will enhance or 
detract from a country before they even have a chance to unpack the bags they 
don't possess.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a funny old world, really. Germany gets some pretty tough raps for having 
a pretty virulent neo-Nazi movement as well as having had a robust population 
of real Nazis back in the middle of the last century but look at the country 
now. It seems this country is now showing 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jindall Feuds with Trump

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep. Also these words of 'outrage' fade pretty quickly in today's media 
environment, so there is less and less downside to saying almost anything, for 
name recognition. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Gets him *name recognition*  on a local level. Keeps him as a strong governor.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 4:47 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jindall Feuds with Trump
 
 
   Jindall was given the rebut to Obama's State Of The Union a couple of years 
ago, and blew it badly. He has not been entrusted to carry's his party's water 
since. This is his really clumsy attempt, imo, to get back in their good 
graces. He must know he has no chance, but he is probably trying for 
mudslinging points.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you're behind the polls, you attack the man at the top.  I would suppose 
that's what Bobby Jindall is doing.  Is it a good political risk to do so?  
And, does Trump really have a squirrel sitting on his head?
 

 Donald Trump's feud with Bobby Jindal escalates 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trumps-feud-with-bobby-jindal-escalates/

 
 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trumps-feud-with-bobby-jindal-escalates/
 
 Donald Trump's feud with Bobby Jindal escalates 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trumps-feud-with-bobby-jindal-escalates/ 
Jindal has continued to ramp up his attacks on Trump after commenting on his 
hair in an interview with CBS' Major Garrett Thursday


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Obama has launched ten times as many drone strikes as his predecessor did. He 
also found and killed Bin Laden, instead of playing golf. This story that he is 
a wimp has no basis. Reagan sold arms to our enemy, Iran, while lying to us 
about not negotiating with terrorists. There's your wimp, and hypocrite. I 
would be OK with another leader who didn't think starting a war was the only 
way to show US might. We are a poorer and less safe country due to the actions 
of the Bush clan, and I don't want anyone like that (or Reagan) in office 
again. Trump has zero chance, btw. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not sure he's the guy but we certainly need a tough negotiator after 8 
years of a wuss bowing and scraping and begging the world to forgive us. We've 
seen how that works. As I remember, Democrats almost guaranteed that Reagan 
would start WW3 but ended up with a nuclear treaty that reduced the threat and 
brought about the demise of the USSR. He also saw the release of the hostages 
in Iran. If you'll recall he told Iran that the moment he took office, it would 
be like day 1 of the hostage situation all over again. They didn't want to FWH.
 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 3:54 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   
 Trump has started a firestorm this time by insulting Carly Fiorina's face.  
IMO, if he's in the White House, he'll only cause riots and wars for the 
country. As we have discussed about his jyotish chart,  this tendency is due to 
the conjunction of Rahu and the Sun in the 10th house.   Is this what Americans 
want?
 

 Carly Fiorina fires back at Donald Trump as feud heats up before GOP debate: 
'Ladies, look at this face' 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/carly-fiorina-fires-back-at-donald-trump-as-feud-128932979266.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma

 
 
 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/carly-fiorina-fires-back-at-donald-trump-as-feud-128932979266.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 Carly Fiorina fires back at Donald Trump as feud heat... 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/carly-fiorina-fires-back-at-donald-trump-as-feud-128932979266.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Carly Fiorina speaks at JW Marriott Desert Ridge Resort & Spa in Phoenix on 
Friday. Rather than sidestep the putdown, the former Hewlett-Packard CEO 
clever...


 
 View on www.yahoo.com 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, I take it you are *not* an Obama supporter? lol. I think he has done a 
decent job overall, inheriting a crashed economy that is still struggling to 
recover, and a destabilized globe. He also doesn't have any dirty little 
secrets, and hasn't committed any big gaffes, which is refreshing. I know 
people cite 'Benghazi' all the time, but compared to the sludge standards for 
politicians in office, he comes off as clean. No new invasions would be a great 
start for the next administration. Do you have a pick for the Republican 
nomination? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Would you care to explain what launching ten times the drone strikes has 
accomplished? Al Qaeda and ISIS is all over the middle- east and Africa now in 
greater numbers than ever before, causing more war, terror and destruction than 
ever. I just saw in The Daily Mail ,an article saying that ISIS promised a  
refugee situation of 500,000 in which they would use to infiltrate their people 
into Europe and the States. Mission accomplished! Many of these refugees are 
not just Syrian but also Lybian, you know, the ones that were *upset* about an 
internet video and killed the ambassador in Libya on 9/11, a few years ago 
while Obama and Hillary were in a gun- running operation with Syria. Killed Ben 
Laden, oh c'mon, the CIA had been on his trail for years, found him, and the 
SEALS killed him. All Obama did was sign off on the op and take the credit. Had 
he not, what do you think public reaction would have been when it was 
discovered that he failed to do so? Bill Clinton took an enormous amount of 
heat for not taking Ben Laden after Sudan offered him up after the bombings in 
Kenya and Tanzania long before 9/11.  Instead of playing golf? Please! That's 
all he does!  Obama disarms Europe of a missile defense shield, Putin invades 
Georgia and Ukraine and is building bases in Syria while selling missile 
defense systems to Iran so they can't be attacked while building their nuclear 
war heads and Intercontinental missile systems.  Putin has absolutely no 
respect or fear of Obama or his *power*. Nice re-set eh?Meanwhile, China seizes 
islands from the Philippines and Vietnam. Yeah, we are a poorer nation, 1 
trillion dollar deficits every year since he has been in office and nothing to 
show for it.  The highest deficit Bush ran was 500 billion once, the others 
averaging about 250 billion or less a year, prior to the 1 time bail out of 700 
billion. Obama has taken our national debt from less than 12 trillion to over 
18 trillion. One president increasing the national debt by over 50% over all 
presidents before him combined! Reagan left office with the strongest 
economy in the world, at the time, and the most powerful military ever seen, 
peace and the Soviet Union disintegrating, communism retreating, and the Berlin 
wall and Iron curtain about to collapse.  Obama will leave the world stage on 
the verge of Armageddon, if it doesn't happen before then.
  

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   Obama has launched ten times as many drone strikes as his predecessor did. 
He also found and killed Bin Laden, instead of playing golf. This story that he 
is a wimp has no basis. Reagan sold arms to our enemy, Iran, while lying to us 
about not negotiating with terrorists. There's your wimp, and hypocrite. I 
would be OK with another leader who didn't think starting a war was the only 
way to show US might. We are a poorer and less safe country due to the actions 
of the Bush clan, and I don't want anyone like that (or Reagan) in office 
again. Trump has zero chance, btw.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm not sure he's the guy but we certainly need a tough negotiator after 8 
years of a wuss bowing and scraping and begging the world to forgive us. We've 
seen how that works. As I remember, Democrats almost guaranteed that Reagan 
would start WW3 but ended up with a nuclear treaty that reduced the threat and 
brought about the demise of the USSR. He also saw the release of the hostages 
in Iran. If you'll recall he told Iran that the moment he took office, it would 
be like day 1 of the hostage situation all over again. They didn't want to FWH.
 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 3:54 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   
 Trump has started a firestorm this time by insulting Carly Fiorina's face.  
IMO, if he's in the White House, he'll only cause riots and wars for the 
country. As we have discussed about his jyotish chart,  this tendency is due to 
the conjunction of Rahu and the Sun in the 10th house.   Is this what Americans 
want?
 

 Carly Fiorina fires back at Donald Trump 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, and that no evidence has ever surfaced for iraq's "weapons of mass 
destruction" either. I think that incident goes a long way to forming people's 
opinion of the Bush/Cheney Presidency, that the lie to go to war didn't even 
hold up for a couple of years. Cheney was on the news recently, snarling about 
immanent nuclear threats and looking as miserable as ever, with those at the 
table listening, but by no means endorsing his rant. A strange guy, who's only 
claim to fame is being nasty. I read an analysis of his career and he has been 
both spectacularly ineffective, and just plain wrong, but he intimidates others 
with his personality and egotism. No loss to the planet when that one goes. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The one detail I think Mike continually overlooks is that the invasion of Iraq 
has had the exact opposite effect of what was intended, not to mention that the 
regime in Iraq is now allied with Iran. 

 And part of the irony is that the effect it has had, is the effect that was 
exactly predicted by George W. Bush and Norman Swarzkoph, which is why they 
stopped the joint force incursion at the outskirts of Baghdad.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, I take it you are *not* an Obama supporter? lol. I think he has done a 
decent job overall, inheriting a crashed economy that is still struggling to 
recover, and a destabilized globe. He also doesn't have any dirty little 
secrets, and hasn't committed any big gaffes, which is refreshing. I know 
people cite 'Benghazi' all the time, but compared to the sludge standards for 
politicians in office, he comes off as clean. No new invasions would be a great 
start for the next administration. Do you have a pick for the Republican 
nomination? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Would you care to explain what launching ten times the drone strikes has 
accomplished? Al Qaeda and ISIS is all over the middle- east and Africa now in 
greater numbers than ever before, causing more war, terror and destruction than 
ever. I just saw in The Daily Mail ,an article saying that ISIS promised a  
refugee situation of 500,000 in which they would use to infiltrate their people 
into Europe and the States. Mission accomplished! Many of these refugees are 
not just Syrian but also Lybian, you know, the ones that were *upset* about an 
internet video and killed the ambassador in Libya on 9/11, a few years ago 
while Obama and Hillary were in a gun- running operation with Syria. Killed Ben 
Laden, oh c'mon, the CIA had been on his trail for years, found him, and the 
SEALS killed him. All Obama did was sign off on the op and take the credit. Had 
he not, what do you think public reaction would have been when it was 
discovered that he failed to do so? Bill Clinton took an enormous amount of 
heat for not taking Ben Laden after Sudan offered him up after the bombings in 
Kenya and Tanzania long before 9/11.  Instead of playing golf? Please! That's 
all he does!  Obama disarms Europe of a missile defense shield, Putin invades 
Georgia and Ukraine and is building bases in Syria while selling missile 
defense systems to Iran so they can't be attacked while building their nuclear 
war heads and Intercontinental missile systems.  Putin has absolutely no 
respect or fear of Obama or his *power*. Nice re-set eh?Meanwhile, China seizes 
islands from the Philippines and Vietnam. Yeah, we are a poorer nation, 1 
trillion dollar deficits every year since he has been in office and nothing to 
show for it.  The highest deficit Bush ran was 500 billion once, the others 
averaging about 250 billion or less a year, prior to the 1 time bail out of 700 
billion. Obama has taken our national debt from less than 12 trillion to over 
18 trillion. One president increasing the national debt by over 50% over all 
presidents before him combined! Reagan left office with the strongest 
economy in the world, at the time, and the most powerful military ever seen, 
peace and the Soviet Union disintegrating, communism retreating, and the Berlin 
wall and Iron curtain about to collapse.  Obama will leave the world stage on 
the verge of Armageddon, if it doesn't happen before then.
  

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   Obama has launched ten times as many drone strikes as his predecessor did. 
He also found and killed Bin Laden, instead of playing golf. This story that he 
is a wimp has no basis. Reagan sold arms to our enemy, Iran, while lying to us 
about not negotiating with terrorists. There's your wimp, and hypocrite. I 
would be OK with another leader who didn't think starting a war was the only 
way to show US might. We are a poorer and less safe country due to the actions 
of the Bush clan, and I don't want 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Chemical weapons were not the "smoking gun" used to drag us into that war. The 
empty threat of nuclear weapons, and mobile missile launchers, mysteriously 
hidden in the desert, were the phantoms used for that stunt. "yellow cake 
uranium" and "a mushroom cloud" were the phrases I remember being used on all 
the Sunday news programs before the US invaded.  

 Yes, millions of dollars disappeared too, contradicting the further lie that 
the war would pay for itself. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong! The New York Times reported earlier this year that over 5,000 Chemical 
weapons, mostly artillery shells,were found and/or bought up by CIA during the 
occupation. I assume it was kept quiet to prevent Al Qaeda in Iraq from 
searching them out and buying them for their own use. Evidently, there were 
Iraqi's that new where certain cashes were hidden.  If you'll remember, there 
were stories about hundreds of millions of dollars suddenly missing. Sounds 
like those dollars might have been used to buy-up these weapons and any 
accounting had to be quiet.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 5:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   Yep, and that no evidence has ever surfaced for iraq's "weapons of mass 
destruction" either. I think that incident goes a long way to forming people's 
opinion of the Bush/Cheney Presidency, that the lie to go to war didn't even 
hold up for a couple of years. Cheney was on the news recently, snarling about 
immanent nuclear threats and looking as miserable as ever, with those at the 
table listening, but by no means endorsing his rant. A strange guy, who's only 
claim to fame is being nasty. I read an analysis of his career and he has been 
both spectacularly ineffective, and just plain wrong, but he intimidates others 
with his personality and egotism. No loss to the planet when that one goes.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The one detail I think Mike continually overlooks is that the invasion of Iraq 
has had the exact opposite effect of what was intended, not to mention that the 
regime in Iraq is now allied with Iran. 

 And part of the irony is that the effect it has had, is the effect that was 
exactly predicted by George W. Bush and Norman Swarzkoph, which is why they 
stopped the joint force incursion at the outskirts of Baghdad.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, I take it you are *not* an Obama supporter? lol. I think he has done a 
decent job overall, inheriting a crashed economy that is still struggling to 
recover, and a destabilized globe. He also doesn't have any dirty little 
secrets, and hasn't committed any big gaffes, which is refreshing. I know 
people cite 'Benghazi' all the time, but compared to the sludge standards for 
politicians in office, he comes off as clean. No new invasions would be a great 
start for the next administration. Do you have a pick for the Republican 
nomination? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Would you care to explain what launching ten times the drone strikes has 
accomplished? Al Qaeda and ISIS is all over the middle- east and Africa now in 
greater numbers than ever before, causing more war, terror and destruction than 
ever. I just saw in The Daily Mail ,an article saying that ISIS promised a  
refugee situation of 500,000 in which they would use to infiltrate their people 
into Europe and the States. Mission accomplished! Many of these refugees are 
not just Syrian but also Lybian, you know, the ones that were *upset* about an 
internet video and killed the ambassador in Libya on 9/11, a few years ago 
while Obama and Hillary were in a gun- running operation with Syria. Killed Ben 
Laden, oh c'mon, the CIA had been on his trail for years, found him, and the 
SEALS killed him. All Obama did was sign off on the op and take the credit. Had 
he not, what do you think public reaction would have been when it was 
discovered that he failed to do so? Bill Clinton took an enormous amount of 
heat for not taking Ben Laden after Sudan offered him up after the bombings in 
Kenya and Tanzania long before 9/11.  Instead of playing golf? Please! That's 
all he does!  Obama disarms Europe of a missile defense shield, Putin invades 
Georgia and Ukraine and is building bases in Syria while selling missile 
defense systems to Iran so they can't be attacked while building their nuclear 
war heads and Intercontinental missile systems.  Putin has absolutely no 
respect or fear of Obama or his *power*. Nice re-set eh?Meanwhile, China seizes 
islands from the Philippines and Vietnam. Yeah, we are a poorer nation, 1 
trillion dollar deficits every year since he has been in office and nothing to 
show for it.  The highest deficit Bush ran was 500 billion once, the others 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually no yellow cake uranium was found. It was a trumped up story with 
unverified sources, supposedly out of Kenya. Bush even outed the CIA agent 
wife, of the ambassador who blew the whistle on that sham, to "get even". Very 
nasty people with an agenda that I don't think served the country well at all. 
One of the reasons the GOP is in such disarray now, is that Bush gave them the 
rep for being reckless and spending too much, which is historically the charge 
leveled at the Dems. Gotta love it. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The smoking gun was WMD, weapons of mass destruction. That included both 
chemical and nuclear. It was believed that  he didn't have them, but they 
didn't know how far along he was from having them.  If you'll remember 
Condoleezza Rice's comment, "do we *wait* for a mushroom cloud"? Two tons of 
yellow cake uranium were found, not nearly enough, but it was a start. Bush 
quoted *British Intelligence* that Saddam was pursuing the purchase of yellow 
cake uranium.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   Chemical weapons were not the "smoking gun" used to drag us into that war. 
The empty threat of nuclear weapons, and mobile missile launchers, mysteriously 
hidden in the desert, were the phantoms used for that stunt. "yellow cake 
uranium" and "a mushroom cloud" were the phrases I remember being used on all 
the Sunday news programs before the US invaded. 
 

 Yes, millions of dollars disappeared too, contradicting the further lie that 
the war would pay for itself. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong! The New York Times reported earlier this year that over 5,000 Chemical 
weapons, mostly artillery shells,were found and/or bought up by CIA during the 
occupation. I assume it was kept quiet to prevent Al Qaeda in Iraq from 
searching them out and buying them for their own use. Evidently, there were 
Iraqi's that new where certain cashes were hidden.  If you'll remember, there 
were stories about hundreds of millions of dollars suddenly missing. Sounds 
like those dollars might have been used to buy-up these weapons and any 
accounting had to be quiet.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 5:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   Yep, and that no evidence has ever surfaced for iraq's "weapons of mass 
destruction" either. I think that incident goes a long way to forming people's 
opinion of the Bush/Cheney Presidency, that the lie to go to war didn't even 
hold up for a couple of years. Cheney was on the news recently, snarling about 
immanent nuclear threats and looking as miserable as ever, with those at the 
table listening, but by no means endorsing his rant. A strange guy, who's only 
claim to fame is being nasty. I read an analysis of his career and he has been 
both spectacularly ineffective, and just plain wrong, but he intimidates others 
with his personality and egotism. No loss to the planet when that one goes.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The one detail I think Mike continually overlooks is that the invasion of Iraq 
has had the exact opposite effect of what was intended, not to mention that the 
regime in Iraq is now allied with Iran. 

 And part of the irony is that the effect it has had, is the effect that was 
exactly predicted by George W. Bush and Norman Swarzkoph, which is why they 
stopped the joint force incursion at the outskirts of Baghdad.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, I take it you are *not* an Obama supporter? lol. I think he has done a 
decent job overall, inheriting a crashed economy that is still struggling to 
recover, and a destabilized globe. He also doesn't have any dirty little 
secrets, and hasn't committed any big gaffes, which is refreshing. I know 
people cite 'Benghazi' all the time, but compared to the sludge standards for 
politicians in office, he comes off as clean. No new invasions would be a great 
start for the next administration. Do you have a pick for the Republican 
nomination? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Would you care to explain what launching ten times the drone strikes has 
accomplished? Al Qaeda and ISIS is all over the middle- east and Africa now in 
greater numbers than ever before, causing more war, terror and destruction than 
ever. I just saw in The Daily Mail ,an article saying that ISIS promised a  
refugee situation of 500,000 in which they would use to infiltrate their people 
into Europe and the States. Mission accomplished! Many of these refugees are 
not just Syrian but also Lybian, you know, the ones that were *upset* about 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fascinating stuff, jr. Much of what you are correlating to astrology appears to 
closely fit Trump's general character, and the influences on him in the future. 
However, as far as breaking this down into how specific real world events will 
play out for The Donald, wouldn't that mean negating some of the people who are 
seeking to influence his outcomes, positively and negatively, and their 
astrological charts?  
 In other words, if you were trying to predict astrologically, whether or not 
Trump will be President, it seems you can't easily go further than his 
character and his influences, regardless of what may be happening with those 
around him. This may be why astrology though quite precise in analysis, is not 
so good wrt specific predictions. Or is there a compensation in the chart, 
covering these external social and global elements? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MD, Share, and Ann 

 He was indeed born as a Leo ascendant with Mars in the first house and the Sun 
and Rahu are placed in the powerful 10th house, the field of career.  Using 
regular Parasara jyotish indicators, his chart looks powerful since he is now 
running the main period of an exalted Rahu in the 10th house.  So, he is 
getting a lot of notoriety by proposing drastic measures against undocumented 
immigrants (signified by Rahu) by sending them back to their home country and 
by building a fence along the border to exclude aliens (Rahu).
 

 However, the subperiod of Mars, starting in October 31, 2015, shows the 
weakness of his chart.  Mars is placed in the 12th house of loss in the navamsa 
chart.  So, his apparent popularity will wane during the subperiod.
 

 Using Nadi astrology technique, the sublord of Rahu is Jupiter, which is 
placed in the second house, and is the lord of the 5th and 8th house of failure 
and misery.  So, the facade of success is being projected by Rahu, the planet 
of deceit and illusion.  But, in reality, the true indicator of his chart is 
Jupiter which shows the failure of his campaign against the undocumented 
immigrants.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll be waiting. Thanks
 

 Yeah, me too. I am sure I could give you a far more likely synopsis of the man 
and his chances for Presidency. Or, at least what I hope his chances are.
 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   MD and Share,
 

 This is an interesting discussion.  To determine how well Trump will do during 
the campaign, one has to know what period he is running right now.  I'll 
research this later as I've go to do some business this afternoon.  It would 
also help to analyze his chart by using the Nadi astrology techniques.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nakshatra for rising sign, as article states, is Magha.
 

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   
 So, what would his nakshatra be?
 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   
 from Carol Allen's newsletter dated Aug 15
 
 
According to the calculations of Vedic astrology (which differ from Western 
by almost an entire sign) he’s a Gemini (they like to diversify, are easily 
bored, and enjoy new challenges – writing and media, especially) with the 
rising sign of Leo, and the Moon sign of Scorpio.
  
 
The Leo and Scorpio parts of his nature are why he’s so brash, and “large 
and in charge.”
  
 
The rising sign indicates the way the world sees you, and your public 
persona. Leo, of course, is the sign of royalty. And his rising sign degree is 
in early Leo, falling into the ancient Vedic constellation of Leo known as 
Magha, meaning “the mighty one.” Magha is the most competitive and driven of 
the three Vedic signs in Leo. (L. Ron Hubbard had his Moon here…).
  
 
So, Donald sees  himself as a King, and others do as well.
  
 
Not only was his station in life inherited (like any royal) he has vast 
territories, and his holdings are garish and ostentatious. (Ever seen pics of 
Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago? Super palatial…)
  
 
The thing that really makes him a king, though, is that he has Mars in the 
first house in Leo.
  
 
For those blessed to be born with this regal sign in the position of the 
first house in their horoscope, Mars becomes a planet of great 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks - I enjoy reading about astrology from those who take it seriously - 
adds a lot of dimension. You confirm my sense that it works for analysis but 
not so much for prediction, due to the wave function you describe - hadn't 
thought to put it that way, but it fits. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Ollie, 

 As we have discussed, Trump is an interesting character to observe, even if 
you don't know jyotish.  But jyotish is an analytical tool to disclose the 
motivation and subtle impulses that drive the person.  As often discussed in 
jyotish classes, it is proposed that all of us are actors in the stage of life. 
 In other words, there are subtle influences that control our thinking and 
actions, and these are the grahas or the planets in the zodiac.
 

 Even the enablers and the critics of Trump are part of this world stage.  
Maharishi would have described the current political dynamics as the wave 
function of American politics that is breaking its symmetry or that is 
manifesting before our eyes.  IMO, there is no pundit or jyotishi in the world 
today who can accurately interpret the probabilities and permutations of 
factors relating to American politics.  We can only hope that the national 
consciousness of this country can sufficiently select the best person to lead 
the nation in accomplishing its goals as stated in the US Constitution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fascinating stuff, jr. Much of what you are correlating to astrology appears 
to closely fit Trump's general character, and the influences on him in the 
future. However, as far as breaking this down into how specific real world 
events will play out for The Donald, wouldn't that mean negating some of the 
people who are seeking to influence his outcomes, positively and negatively, 
and their astrological charts?  
 In other words, if you were trying to predict astrologically, whether or not 
Trump will be President, it seems you can't easily go further than his 
character and his influences, regardless of what may be happening with those 
around him. This may be why astrology though quite precise in analysis, is not 
so good wrt specific predictions. Or is there a compensation in the chart, 
covering these external social and global elements? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MD, Share, and Ann 

 He was indeed born as a Leo ascendant with Mars in the first house and the Sun 
and Rahu are placed in the powerful 10th house, the field of career.  Using 
regular Parasara jyotish indicators, his chart looks powerful since he is now 
running the main period of an exalted Rahu in the 10th house.  So, he is 
getting a lot of notoriety by proposing drastic measures against undocumented 
immigrants (signified by Rahu) by sending them back to their home country and 
by building a fence along the border to exclude aliens (Rahu).
 

 However, the subperiod of Mars, starting in October 31, 2015, shows the 
weakness of his chart.  Mars is placed in the 12th house of loss in the navamsa 
chart.  So, his apparent popularity will wane during the subperiod.
 

 Using Nadi astrology technique, the sublord of Rahu is Jupiter, which is 
placed in the second house, and is the lord of the 5th and 8th house of failure 
and misery.  So, the facade of success is being projected by Rahu, the planet 
of deceit and illusion.  But, in reality, the true indicator of his chart is 
Jupiter which shows the failure of his campaign against the undocumented 
immigrants.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll be waiting. Thanks
 

 Yeah, me too. I am sure I could give you a far more likely synopsis of the man 
and his chances for Presidency. Or, at least what I hope his chances are.
 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   MD and Share,
 

 This is an interesting discussion.  To determine how well Trump will do during 
the campaign, one has to know what period he is running right now.  I'll 
research this later as I've go to do some business this afternoon.  It would 
also help to analyze his chart by using the Nadi astrology techniques.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nakshatra for rising sign, as article states, is Magha.
 

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   
 So, what would his nakshatra be?
 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good points, in terms of transitions being more like shades of light, vs. black 
and white, and the 'intuitive' averages of our tendencies for each sun sign, 
reflecting more of a survey than a cognition. I suspect both have happened, 
though the survey side is discounted, because it doesn't fit the 'mysterious' 
narrative often associated with astrology. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Astrology is more of a weather report, more the propensity of events that 
might happen.  The field is not well understood but in our computer age more 
research is pulling up recurring patterns as well as the ability to track 
groups of people for research to see what effects being born at different times 
of the year has as well as different times of the day.
 
 A lot of nay-saying about astrology comes from people criticizing newspaper 
Sun sign horoscopes.  Those aren't even related to sidereal Jyotish readings 
unless you are looking at a column in New Delhi or Bombay.  And on the other 
hand my eyes get a good workout when I see astrologers trying pin things down 
exactly missing the weather report analogy.  Many even think that dasha changes 
are black and white rather than like light (after all it is the science of 
light) fading in and out.
 
 I have never found a person's horoscope that didn't fit them unless they had 
the wrong birth time.  If you look at writings like the Saravali you'll notice 
that if you shift the ascendant by a sign then the reading no longer works.  
Most all of these astrology scriptures weren't "cognized" but research of what 
was common over hundreds or thousands of horoscopes.  So the research actually 
has been done, a long, long time ago.
 
 On 09/11/2015 09:23 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Fascinating stuff, jr. Much of what you are correlating to astrology appears 
to closely fit Trump's general character, and the influences on him in the 
future. However, as far as breaking this down into how specific real world 
events will play out for The Donald, wouldn't that mean negating some of the 
people who are seeking to influence his outcomes, positively and negatively, 
and their astrological charts? 
 
 In other words, if you were trying to predict astrologically, whether or not 
Trump will be President, it seems you can't easily go further than his 
character and his influences, regardless of what may be happening with those 
around him. This may be why astrology though quite precise in analysis, is not 
so good wrt specific predictions. Or is there a compensation in the chart, 
covering these external social and global elements? 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:jr_esq@... wrote :
 
 MD, Share, and Ann 

 He was indeed born as a Leo ascendant with Mars in the first house and the Sun 
and Rahu are placed in the powerful 10th house, the field of career.  Using 
regular Parasara jyotish indicators, his chart looks powerful since he is now 
running the main period of an exalted Rahu in the 10th house.  So, he is 
getting a lot of notoriety by proposing drastic measures against undocumented 
immigrants (signified by Rahu) by sending them back to their home country and 
by building a fence along the border to exclude aliens (Rahu).
 

 However, the subperiod of Mars, starting in October 31, 2015, shows the 
weakness of his chart.  Mars is placed in the 12th house of loss in the navamsa 
chart.  So, his apparent popularity will wane during the subperiod.
 

 Using Nadi astrology technique, the sublord of Rahu is Jupiter, which is 
placed in the second house, and is the lord of the 5th and 8th house of failure 
and misery.  So, the facade of success is being projected by Rahu, the planet 
of deceit and illusion.  But, in reality, the true indicator of his chart is 
Jupiter which shows the failure of his campaign against the undocumented 
immigrants.
 

 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote :
 
 I'll be waiting. Thanks
 

 Yeah, me too. I am sure I could give you a far more likely synopsis of the man 
and his chances for Presidency. Or, at least what I hope his chances are.
 
 
 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   MD and Share,
 

 This is an interesting discussion.  To determine how well Trump will do during 
the campaign, one has to know what period he is running right now.  I'll 
research this later as I've go to do some business this afternoon.  It 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Huckabee: Black People Can't Legally Become American Citizens

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This guy might actually be nuts. He looks so normal and average, yet time and 
again I am speechless at the things he says, and seriously wonder how he has 
had a voice on our national stage for so long. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why are Republicans trying to outdo each other for the best insults of the day?
 

 Mike Huckabee Thinks Black People Can't Legally Become American Citizens 
http://news.yahoo.com/mike-huckabee-thinks-black-people-123110888.html

 
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/mike-huckabee-thinks-black-people-123110888.html
 
 Mike Huckabee Thinks Black People Can't Legally Beco... 
http://news.yahoo.com/mike-huckabee-thinks-black-people-123110888.html To 
Huckabee or not to Huckabee, that is actually not the question at all because 
no one could possibly take this guy seriously anymore.


 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
http://news.yahoo.com/mike-huckabee-thinks-black-people-123110888.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Although I am not backing any of them, here are my picks in the 2016 horse 
race, based on the money and power already in place: 
 Trump may make the nomination, though it will be in spite of the mainstream 
GOP trying to unseat him at every turn. No way will he be elected President - 
doesn't appear to have the emotional intelligence for national office. That 
honor will go to Hillary Clinton, the first female President. Sanders is always 
going to be seen as "the rumpled professor" and doesn't capture the national 
imagination. Same thing with the blue-blood trying his best to be a redneck: 
John Ellis Bush, aka "Jeb". Republicans, having crashed the economy in 2008, 
have a higher hurdle to get over, for 2016, among the rank and file. Running a 
hyperbolic campaign against Ms. Clinton isn't really working, and they are 
looking very obstructionist these days.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MD, Share, and Ann 

 He was indeed born as a Leo ascendant with Mars in the first house and the Sun 
and Rahu are placed in the powerful 10th house, the field of career.  Using 
regular Parasara jyotish indicators, his chart looks powerful since he is now 
running the main period of an exalted Rahu in the 10th house.  So, he is 
getting a lot of notoriety by proposing drastic measures against undocumented 
immigrants (signified by Rahu) by sending them back to their home country and 
by building a fence along the border to exclude aliens (Rahu).
 

 However, the subperiod of Mars, starting in October 31, 2015, shows the 
weakness of his chart.  Mars is placed in the 12th house of loss in the navamsa 
chart.  So, his apparent popularity will wane during the subperiod.
 

 Using Nadi astrology technique, the sublord of Rahu is Jupiter, which is 
placed in the second house, and is the lord of the 5th and 8th house of failure 
and misery.  So, the facade of success is being projected by Rahu, the planet 
of deceit and illusion.  But, in reality, the true indicator of his chart is 
Jupiter which shows the failure of his campaign against the undocumented 
immigrants.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'll be waiting. Thanks
 

 Yeah, me too. I am sure I could give you a far more likely synopsis of the man 
and his chances for Presidency. Or, at least what I hope his chances are.
 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   MD and Share,
 

 This is an interesting discussion.  To determine how well Trump will do during 
the campaign, one has to know what period he is running right now.  I'll 
research this later as I've go to do some business this afternoon.  It would 
also help to analyze his chart by using the Nadi astrology techniques.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nakshatra for rising sign, as article states, is Magha.
 

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   
 So, what would his nakshatra be?
 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is this the End of the GOP?
 
 
   
 from Carol Allen's newsletter dated Aug 15
 
 
According to the calculations of Vedic astrology (which differ from Western 
by almost an entire sign) he’s a Gemini (they like to diversify, are easily 
bored, and enjoy new challenges – writing and media, especially) with the 
rising sign of Leo, and the Moon sign of Scorpio.
  
 
The Leo and Scorpio parts of his nature are why he’s so brash, and “large 
and in charge.”
  
 
The rising sign indicates the way the world sees you, and your public 
persona. Leo, of course, is the sign of royalty. And his rising sign degree is 
in early Leo, falling into the ancient Vedic constellation of Leo known as 
Magha, meaning “the mighty one.” Magha is the most competitive and driven of 
the three Vedic signs in Leo. (L. Ron Hubbard had his Moon here…).
  
 
So, Donald sees  himself as a King, and others do as well.
  
 
Not only was his station in life inherited (like any royal) he has vast 
territories, and his holdings are garish and ostentatious. (Ever seen pics of 
Trump Tower or Mar-A-Lago? Super palatial…)
  
 
The thing that really makes him a king, though, is that he has Mars in the 
first house in Leo.
  
 
For those blessed to be born with this regal sign in the position of the 
first house in their horoscope, Mars becomes 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apple running out of ideas?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, tough to see where Apple will end up, now that Jobs is gone. I always 
though they limited their market hugely by creating unique interfaces for their 
platform, first cutting them out of the corporate world, and now finding 
similar portability issues in the consumer market.  

 I agree that their future is in boutique stuff that breaks out for a mass 
audience, but so far that line-up is looking a lot like a continuation of 
1940's science fiction, brought to life. Seriously, who needs a Dick Tracy 
watch (and "3D Touch" is a minor discovery - stacked piezoelectric sensors - in 
search of a practical application)? I bought an overpriced I-Pad a few years 
ago, for an app that only had an Apple interface. Due to the difficulty in 
porting *anything* to a PC, the unit mostly collects dust. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Apple's plans land with a thud:
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/09/09/apple-stock-ipad-iphone-aapl/71945980/http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/09/09/apple-stock-ipad-iphone-aapl/71945980/
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/09/09/apple-stock-ipad-iphone-aapl/71945980/
 
 Apps are the future of TV?  There have been TVs with apps on them for several 
years now.  But Apple aways takes a page from Goebbels to make it look like 
they invented it.  Before their was the iPod there were MP3 players.  Before 
there was the iPhone there were other smart phones starting with the Symbian 
phones back in the late 1990s.
 
 And a $100 pencil that Jobs never wanted?
 
 Apple is the Calvin Klein of computers.  They get you to spend more money than 
you should because of a logo.
 
 On 09/09/2015 07:30 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Is Apple dead like Steve Jobs? Wow! 3D touch. Can't wait, eh? Sounds 
 like innovation left Cupertino. Maybe Google is paying more. Apple has 
 plenty of money but what will the blow it all on? I'm hearing a lot of 
 jabs from the tech sector about today's Apple announcements being a 
 joke. Apple has always been a cult.
 

 Haha, a rather large cult. Apple will be a long time thriving and being loved. 
Ironically, I am sitting next to my husband, a true Mac lover, listening to the 
latest Apple Special Event broadcast from SF. Apple products are elegant, sexy 
and desirable.  


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jindall Feuds with Trump

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Jindall was given the rebut to Obama's State Of The Union a couple of years 
ago, and blew it badly. He has not been entrusted to carry's his party's water 
since. This is his really clumsy attempt, imo, to get back in their good 
graces. He must know he has no chance, but he is probably trying for 
mudslinging points. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you're behind the polls, you attack the man at the top.  I would suppose 
that's what Bobby Jindall is doing.  Is it a good political risk to do so?  
And, does Trump really have a squirrel sitting on his head?
 

 Donald Trump's feud with Bobby Jindal escalates 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trumps-feud-with-bobby-jindal-escalates/

 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I know about the faux scandals, just as those attributed to the Clintons. I am 
talking about something that sticks no matter what, like Clinton and Lewinsky, 
Iran-Contra, or Watergate. Nothing like that here, and no it isn't due to the 
press coddling him. Should be an interesting 14 months. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I saw through the guy before he was elected. Promised the world whatever it 
wanted to hear, while rarely ever being specific about anything. Fifty people 
could hear the same speech and come away with fifty different ideas of what he 
said.I think he's done far more harm than good. The economy should have 
recovered far more and much faster. Instead we have 93 million out of the work 
force, highest black unemployment in decades, 50+ million on food stamps, 
racial tension like we haven't seen since the sixties.Must I go on?  Doesn't 
have any dirty secrets? Oh Please! Try googling *Obama scandals* and read them 
for yourself. I don't want to spend the next couple of weeks typing them out 
and explaining them to you. You don't hear much about them in the media because 
they have too much invested in him. He's their man and they protect him by 
smoothing over anything that comes up and saying *there's* nothing there. It's 
their meme that if you criticize him, it's only out of racism. No, there 
haven't been any *new* invasions, just the one that continues into our own 
country. Do I have a pick for the republicans? No, not at this point. There are 
some that  I wouldn't bother  to vote for if they were nominated... even if the 
Democrats nominated Joseph Stalin. Trump can be fun to listen to, but that's 
about it. Bush would be no different than Hillary, except with an *R* instead 
of a *D*. Lindsy Graham is a pussy. I pretty much don't care for anything that 
is considered Republican establishment. I find Cruz interesting but he caters 
to evangelical crowds a little more than I like and Republican establishment 
would be just as much of a thorn in his side as democrats, if he were elected. 
I suppose if I could clone a few of them I might come up with something.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fiorina Fights Back
 
 
   So, I take it you are *not* an Obama supporter? lol. I think he has done a 
decent job overall, inheriting a crashed economy that is still struggling to 
recover, and a destabilized globe. He also doesn't have any dirty little 
secrets, and hasn't committed any big gaffes, which is refreshing. I know 
people cite 'Benghazi' all the time, but compared to the sludge standards for 
politicians in office, he comes off as clean. No new invasions would be a great 
start for the next administration. Do you have a pick for the Republican 
nomination?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Would you care to explain what launching ten times the drone strikes has 
accomplished? Al Qaeda and ISIS is all over the middle- east and Africa now in 
greater numbers than ever before, causing more war, terror and destruction than 
ever. I just saw in The Daily Mail ,an article saying that ISIS promised a  
refugee situation of 500,000 in which they would use to infiltrate their people 
into Europe and the States. Mission accomplished! Many of these refugees are 
not just Syrian but also Lybian, you know, the ones that were *upset* about an 
internet video and killed the ambassador in Libya on 9/11, a few years ago 
while Obama and Hillary were in a gun- running operation with Syria. Killed Ben 
Laden, oh c'mon, the CIA had been on his trail for years, found him, and the 
SEALS killed him. All Obama did was sign off on the op and take the credit. Had 
he not, what do you think public reaction would have been when it was 
discovered that he failed to do so? Bill Clinton took an enormous amount of 
heat for not taking Ben Laden after Sudan offered him up after the bombings in 
Kenya and Tanzania long before 9/11.  Instead of playing golf? Please! That's 
all he does!  Obama disarms Europe of a missile defense shield, Putin invades 
Georgia and Ukraine and is building bases in Syria while selling missile 
defense systems to Iran so they can't be attacked while building their nuclear 
war heads and Intercontinental missile systems.  Putin has absolutely no 
respect or fear of Obama or his *power*. Nice re-set eh?Meanwhile, China seizes 
islands from the Philippines and Vietnam. Yeah, we are a poorer nation, 1 
trillion dollar deficits every year since he has been in office and nothing to 
show for it.  The highest deficit Bush ran was 500 billion once, the others 
averaging about 250 billion or less a year, prior to the 1 time bail out of 700 
billion. Obama has taken our national debt from less than 12 trillion to over 
18 trillion. One president increasing the national debt by 

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Need of Satsang Detox

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, similar to any outside craving, this one is around the transmission of 
darshan, spiritual energy, from the teacher to the student, with the dynamic of 
addiction to this being like any other addiction. 

 As for the warnings here and there about the eclipse, there may be something 
to them. But given that any effects are obviously subtle, and many people 
choose to ignore the warnings with no apparent ill effect, it is tough to say 
what we are being warned away from, unlike the caution we learned as children 
about looking directly at the Sun, the results of which are devastatingly 
obvious.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I found this on the SAND 2015 page. A little long, but worth reading -
 

 Wow, how interesting. I am not even quite sure what satsang is but from 
reading this it apparently has something to do with energy transferred from 
some "guru" to some student. In addition the author seems to think this 
activity is addicting. Human beings are funny creatures. They seem to consist, 
metaphorically, of a mouth and that's about it. And that mouth seems to be 
forever saying "Feed me". I don't quite get it. Hanging around a bunch of 
needy, hungry people whining for another shot of satsang (no foam, no whip and 
skinny) seems about as appealing as listening to a bunch of meditators worrying 
about the blood moon eclipsing and which fallout shelter they're going to 
inhabit until the bad mojo evaporates, drains away or whatever mojo does in 
order to move on. (Are you getting the picture now why every cult I was ever a 
member of kicked me out, eventually?)
 

 In Need of Satsang Detox
 by Scott Kiloby
 

 One reason I moved into the area of addiction treatment at the Kiloby Center 
was to get away from the satsang circuit. In and of itself, the circuit doesn’t 
necessarily create a lot of harm. But I remember getting numerous calls, texts 
or emails from spiritual seekers who had just attended a weekend or week 
retreat with a teacher. They would say, “The retreat was wonderful – I truly 
found peace” or something like that. But by Tuesday or Wednesday of the next 
week, the emails, texts or calls would change. “I’m suffering again right now, 
what should I do?” I would say, “Investigate for yourself, using the tools you 
have learned. Awakening is truly an inside job. Going to satsang and expecting 
to wake up and be free of suffering once you enter back into your normal life 
is like going to a drug dealer and expecting that temporary high to last 
forever.” So many times the person would not investigate for themselves. 
Instead, they would schedule and attend the next satsang or the next three to 
come to town. Then the cycle would repeat, with the high or peace of satsang 
replaced by the usual suffering days or weeks later.
 

 I have to admit that I am biased. I never attended satsang back in my seeking 
days. Sure, I watched a DVD or two of a spiritual teacher giving satsang. But 
once I extracted some really valuable tools, I put all of that down and began 
investigating on my own. This made all the difference. When I’m talking to 
spiritual seekers who are heavily into the satsang world, they often cite 
“transmission” as the reason they keep going back. The notion behind 
transmission is that there is some recognition that is transmitted from teacher 
to student during satsang. I won’t argue with that. Perhaps transmission does 
happen for some people. However, continuing to go back over and over and over 
so easily slips into the realm of addiction, treating the teacher kind of like 
a drug dealer who is dolling out the good stuff. In many cases, it stops being 
about transmission. It becomes all about addictive seeking.
 

 I am not waging a war against satsang. It has value. But I think it is 
important to point out that investigation using skillful means is of utmost 
important, to finally put to rest the seeking that leads one back again and 
again to satsang. Most good spiritual teachers would agree, even the ones who 
are doing satsang regularly.
 At the Kiloby Center, we truly make no distinction between addiction to drugs 
or alcohol and addiction to spiritual seeking or satsang. They carry many of 
the same elements: wanting to avoid or escape the past or uncomfortable 
thoughts and feelings showing up in the present, continuing to go back to the 
“drug” even after recognizing the cycle of “high” followed by withdrawal, 
believing that there is something (a drug) or someone (a teacher) outside 
oneself that has the answers to life’s pain, and chasing certain states and 
experiences rather than letting all states and experiences come and go freely.
 

 If you are a satsang teacher or someone who goes to a lot of satsang and this 
writing triggers you, there is probably something to examine. This writing 
comes with no ill will towards anyone.  No trigger. My body is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good points. I agree that as a society we are beholden to tackle this issue, 
whatever its scope, simply because of the lives lost. There are a few things, 
though that are largely absent from the gun control debate. First and most 
obvious, nothing is being said about actually limiting the number of guns 
produced. How can we legislate gun control, if the weapons just keep rolling 
off the assembly lines? Warehouse them, until we magically produce enough law 
abiding citizens to own them? Also, criminals steal a lot of the guns they 
possess, so having them legally purchased, and stolen later, defeats the 
purpose.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I too sometimes am surprised there are not more deaths by firearms, 
considering the prevalence of them. But, what I've noticed here in St. Louis, 
is that once the social contract gets frayed due to distrust of authority 
institutions, or because of the perceived lack of economic opportunity, that 
frustration surfaces as increased random violence, which is very worrisome. 

 And, it does not help when firearms can so easily come into hands of a sixteen 
year old who lacks much of anything in the way of maturity or discipline.
 

 Owning a firearm requires a lot of both.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We have about 11,000 people born in the US each day, and about 6,800 deaths 
per day, or about 6,770, if we subtract the ~30 deaths daily by firearms. I am 
not excusing the deaths as a result of guns, however it is clearly not the 
risk, nor the social evil that we are led to believe it is. With nearly one gun 
for every man, woman and child in the USA, 270 million guns, total, I am 
astonished that the number of deaths as a result, is not far higher.  

 I think this "gun issue" is another fake-out by the politicians, run by those 
above them to keep our eyes off the real game, subverting economic justice in 
the US. Continuing to starve wages while raising prices and taxes causes social 
stress, resulting predictably in some firearm violence. Why call for gun 
control, when there is no economic control? We are going after symptoms, vs the 
illness.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 More than 10,000 Americans are killed every year by gun violence. By contrast, 
so few Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11 that when you 
chart the two together, the terrorism death count approximates zero for every 
year except 2001. This comparison, if anything, understates the gap: Far more 
Americans die every year from (easily preventable 
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9126891/gun-suicide-rate) gun suicides than gun 
homicides.
 
 The point Obama is making is clear: We spend huge amounts of money every year 
fighting terrorism, yet are unwilling, at the national level, to take even 
minor steps (like requiring background checks on all gun sales nationally) to 
stop gun violence.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We have about 11,000 people born in the US each day, and about 6,800 deaths per 
day, or about 6,770, if we subtract the ~30 deaths daily by firearms. I am not 
excusing the deaths as a result of guns, however it is clearly not the risk, 
nor the social evil that we are led to believe it is. With nearly one gun for 
every man, woman and child in the USA, 270 million guns, total, I am astonished 
that the number of deaths as a result, is not far higher.  

 I think this "gun issue" is another fake-out by the politicians, run by those 
above them to keep our eyes off the real game, subverting economic justice in 
the US. Continuing to starve wages while raising prices and taxes causes social 
stress, resulting predictably in some firearm violence. Why call for gun 
control, when there is no economic control? We are going after symptoms, vs the 
illness.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 More than 10,000 Americans are killed every year by gun violence. By contrast, 
so few Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11 that when you 
chart the two together, the terrorism death count approximates zero for every 
year except 2001. This comparison, if anything, understates the gap: Far more 
Americans die every year from (easily preventable 
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9126891/gun-suicide-rate) gun suicides than gun 
homicides.
 
 The point Obama is making is clear: We spend huge amounts of money every year 
fighting terrorism, yet are unwilling, at the national level, to take even 
minor steps (like requiring background checks on all gun sales nationally) to 
stop gun violence.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Again, perception vs. reality. Only about 30% of Americans even own a gun, so 
that means the vast majority do not. And the occurrences of mass gun violence, 
are actually quite rare, statistically. I am not saying it isn't an issue, but 
it is not the faux-firestorm that it is made out to be. Mostly used now as a 
deliberate political distraction. Politicians figured out long ago that 
thinking is linear, and if we are upset over the latest uproar, we are not 
tracking what is happening longer term. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We have about 11,000 people born in the US each day, and about 6,800 deaths 
per day, or about 6,770, if we subtract the ~30 deaths daily by firearms. I am 
not excusing the deaths as a result of guns, however it is clearly not the 
risk, nor the social evil that we are led to believe it is. With nearly one gun 
for every man, woman and child in the USA, 270 million guns, total, I am 
astonished that the number of deaths as a result, is not far higher.  

 I think this "gun issue" is another fake-out by the politicians, run by those 
above them to keep our eyes off the real game, subverting economic justice in 
the US. Continuing to starve wages while raising prices and taxes causes social 
stress, resulting predictably in some firearm violence. Why call for gun 
control, when there is no economic control? We are going after symptoms, vs the 
illness.
 

 But, such high profile mass shootings are bound to create media hyper 
ventilation and the resulting outrage and lamenting is continuously ignited by 
these relatively common occurrences in schools, movie theaters and elsewhere. 
It is a subject that deserves attention because it also indicates something 
deeper - is a barometer for other social disease rampant in (in this case) the 
US. Guns seem to accompany fear and rage and mental illness but not necessarily 
in all cases when their use is against a neighbor, a classroom, an employer. 
The need to own guns, to have them handy at all times, is an indicator or a 
society in rough shape. When you can't feel safe unless you have a gun in your 
possession it points to economic reasons as well. Drug addiction, poverty, lack 
of resources can lead citizens to assume they can take what they need at the 
point of a gun, for example. Whole city blocks and blocks of substandard living 
conditions or millions of people scraping by all over America are testimony to 
the sorry state of our society. Even the vehemence with which gun lovers defend 
their (and by default everyone's) right to own and carry a gun is based in fear 
and a distorted idea that to change the Constitution with regard to gun 
ownership rights would somehow be un-American or even sacrilegious. This whole 
gun issue reveals far more than just how people feel about arms.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 More than 10,000 Americans are killed every year by gun violence. By contrast, 
so few Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11 that when you 
chart the two together, the terrorism death count approximates zero for every 
year except 2001. This comparison, if anything, understates the gap: Far more 
Americans die every year from (easily preventable 
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9126891/gun-suicide-rate) gun suicides than gun 
homicides.
 
 The point Obama is making is clear: We spend huge amounts of money every year 
fighting terrorism, yet are unwilling, at the national level, to take even 
minor steps (like requiring background checks on all gun sales nationally) to 
stop gun violence.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, that was the theory behind the minimum wage for a few decades, but the US 
is now *last* among industrialized countries, in terms of economic mobility. In 
other words you may find that once you start at McD's, that is it - With any 
"excess" jobs farmed overseas, for tax breaks, there aren't the manufacturing 
jobs now that once absorbed those without a lot of education, and still 
provided skilled, well-paid employment. That has created a big divide between 
low level service jobs and white collar jobs, and there aren't enough white 
collar jobs to go around. So, given the new reality, I think a higher minimum 
wage is good for the country and sound social policy, unless we want the 
government to keep picking up the tab, which they do when people are 'working 
poor'. Chickens coming home to roost. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, actually they are a living wage, but just barely for themselves. 
Definitely not meant to raise a family on. Today, someone wants to fry fires 
eight hours a day and raise three or four kids without a second income.  Their 
income alone, isn't enough to pay day care for one or two kids.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
 
 
   

 

 It Was Always Supposed To Be A Living Wage 
http://thebillfold.com/2015/07/it-was-always-supposed-to-be-a-living-wage/ 
 
 http://thebillfold.com/2015/07/it-was-always-supposed-to-be-a-living-wage/
 
 It Was Always Supposed To Be A Living Wage 
http://thebillfold.com/2015/07/it-was-always-supposed-to-be-a-living-wage/ To 
argue that the minimum wage was never supposed to be a living wage is 
completely anachronistic.


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Geee Emily, neither. These jobs have traditionally been considered entry level 
jobs, where people go to learn skills and get job experience, so they can build 
a resume and move on to bigger and better things. They were never intended to 
be a primary source of income to support a family, but maybe a secondary 
supplemental income. If someone sees flipping burgers as a carrier, there's 
something seriously wrong with them and maybe counseling might awaken them to 
seek something better. You set $15 an hour as a minimum wage, and you'll have 
Liberal arts graduates taking those jobs in a heart beat. What's left for the 
person that couldn't even finish high school? Dealing drugs? Maybe it would be 
better for society, in general, if we had a little more faith in people and 
their natural abilities and expect better of them, not settling for a bare 
minimum and owing them more for less.< My *beef* with MickeyD's? I don't 
frequent them as much as Ann might suggest because my personal experience is 
that there is a strong tendency to get the order wrong. Why? I don't know. 
Maybe they don't speak or read English well enough in some cases or maybe 
they're young and immature,not focused or paying attention. I've never been 
rewarded for poor job performance with a raise but have been promoted for 
excellent performance. Sorry to say, but my empathy in this matter is reserved 
for the truly handicapped or those that want to do more and are willing to 
prove it, not those that want more to just get by.
 

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 1:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
 
 
   Are you prejudiced towards fast food workers in general or just McDonald's 
employees?  What are your assumptions about people who work at MickeyD's? 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you're going to pay fifteen an hour , you have a right to expect more from 
your employee, probably more than many average McDonalds employee are capable 
of giving. Might require some *focused* attention. Of course, if you are more 
efficient and accomplishing more, you'll need fewer workers to assist you. 
Which means fewer jobs. A higher wage may mean more for you but it also means 
more from you.If someone complains about their eight dollar an hour job now, 
wait till they have a fifteen dollar an hour job.

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just For the Record
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 LOL, $15 an hour and they can't remember if you ordered an egg McMuffin or a 
sausage McMuffin.

 

 So, you apparently frequent Mcdonalds. Then you should be willing to pay the 
labor a barely living wage for your cheap 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I appreciate your concern, though I do not see it as a problem. People come to 
TM or not, according to their awareness and need. It could be called 'green 
cheese' for some and they would still start the practice. Sure the world has 
some stress, though I for one feel that things are headed in the right 
direction. TM will always be around.Yes, the David Lynch Foundation is further 
integrating TM with Western thought. Thanks for sharing more about this book, 
and your thinking. I have no need to pick apart what you are saying, or 
belittle you, though I see what you are proposing as a natural process that we 
can engage with or not, according to our personal desires. The "world" will be 
fine, either way.:-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wouldn't call it a mistake so much as a situation, where time has evolved 
to: readdress the issue on a major level. The issue is this: for 50 plus years 
TM has been associated with a meditation created from India. Most all people in 
the western world perceives this knowledge as outside their world. Subsciously, 
most westerners see TM and all that it is: an unnecessary component of living, 
a foreign design. After SRM days, Maharishi's wish was... that western science 
incorporate the science of creative intelligence into western thinking. The 
great minds of western science, art,... all western discipline may incorporate 
this knowledge of life, (conceived in India) into a construct of western 
thought. 

  TM today, by most people outside of progressive thinking, is still thought to 
be an Eastern construct with some, scientific validation. And because of this 
perception, millions of people will still resist this meditation because of its 
association to Eastern thought. 

 When corporations create product, they advertise it's value as something one 
needs for betterment of self. People buy this product because of its projective 
value. Everybody wants it, subconsciously. Subsciously, most everybody, views 
TM outside their comfort circle.
 There is a major shift, again with TM under the watch of David Lynch 
Foundation...a needed boost of attention. This too will subside or flatten to a 
degree over time. Hopefully it will continue growing... These are the steps of 
progress, the way knowledge unfolds over generations. The 1% rule is limiting 
our reach, we want to reach beyond our expectations.  Why not? Corporations 
rely on impacting larger percentages for survival.
 If TM were a nike shoe, the world would be enlightened.
 $250 dollars for a nike shoe...are u kidding. Learn from the big boys. 

 MY BOOK: A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI... IS A CALL TO ALL LONG 
TERM TM'ERS ...STEP UP TO THE PLATE, START WRITING YOUR BOOKS, BEGIN TO START 
TELLING THE WORLD, OVER AND OVER: THIS TECHNIQUE IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST STRESS 
REDUCTION. Yes the world is a pile of stress, out of control and at the same 
time we may now begin speaking about greater genius, greater creativity, and 
greater goodness in the light of science. 

 Envy or jealously may be the catalyst, which pushes the masses over the edge, 
into desiring more than what they have. When the masses begin to see results 
manifest in other people who do TM, they will wake to the realization; this is 
my knowledge, not India's.
 It's not an easy task to explain greater genius, resulting from TM. Start the 
process, it will unfold over time. 

 

 Certaintly, all will give thanks to the tradition of masters which protected 
and passed on, this knowledge of life. The tradition's of this teaching should 
be protected and maintained behind closed doors. Emphasis should be placed upon 
western thought.  As this knowledge spreads over time, if it is successful, 
than Western man will re package this technique in the light of their language. 
Only then will the masses take hold to the degree, it should.
 

 I understand people on blogs love to pick apart, said logic. I am not attached 
to these thoughts. I am just putting them out there for contemplation. Focus on 
the reach, not the weakness of each word or phrase. What I write is not truth, 
but relative impressions of the moment. Calling me an idiot, accomplishes 
nothing. Do better than I; I am at the bottom of such a measure, called genius. 
Even I, as dull as I am, can see imperfection.
 Dave Ryan

 

 

 


 On Friday, September 25, 2015 9:52 PM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Why do you think it is a mistake in the TM message? Some people aren't going 
to meditate, period, whether they understand its intent, or not. Even Maharishi 
focused on very small groups to continue the world's evolution. There is no 
need for 99% or more of the population to meditate. It is all about creating a 
catalyst. "do less and accomplish more".
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi, Thanks for sharing your ideas. I am not really a big reader, nor do I have 
any association with the TM organization, so I am not the one to evaluate your 
writing further, or make a proposition to the TMers. That said, I wish you all 
the best with your pursuits. No doubt you have learned a great deal about 
yourself while writing the book. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for your replys, apparantely it's just between you and I. Yes I am just 
throwing it out for people to chew on; I see more people are referring toTM as 
a step to enlightenment. It takes time; generations, I believe, for a concept 
to take hold. Maybe quicker with TM.
 

 I do appreciate your allowing me to chat a bit on the blog. I was hopeful 
other people would read the book and comment a bit, but thats not hapenning. I 
have another proposal for you ...I was planning to go with some advertising 
campaign on some of the social platforms. Spend a couple hundred dollars on 
advertising.
 I had the idea, why not spend the money on gifting to People that can relate 
to the experience of transcending. This book writing was a project, I had 
wished would provide me with some comment and feedback... to fill my days with 
a bit of passion in writing.
 

 There is an option on amazon to gift books to others on line. I haven't 
checked out the details of how to do so, but I am sure there is a way I could 
send the book for free to others who view this option on your blog.
 That may get you into trouble, with the guidelines, not filtering all work 
through the leaders of the TM org.
 That would be your call, you could read it and then decide if it would pass 
judgement.
 

 It makes no sence for me to continue on this site, since I am not a 
participant of the community. My interest: feedback on the book. 

 There are a few serious negative blog sites out there bashing the TM movement. 
I am an expression of what Maharishi wished for...an individual, regularily 
practicing TM, in the light of one's discipline. This is an art book, poetic, 
visually stimulating transcendental art; a subjective experience of meditating 
artist in activity: a positive fresh approach to understanding the one's value, 
and benefit of this meditation. 

 

 Unless u have another suggestion, I will move on, but I do appreciate the 
effort
 thanks...let me know what you decide
 

 Dave Ryan

 


 

 
 
 


 On Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:23 AM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   I appreciate your concern, though I do not see it as a problem. People come 
to TM or not, according to their awareness and need. It could be called 'green 
cheese' for some and they would still start the practice. Sure the world has 
some stress, though I for one feel that things are headed in the right 
direction. TM will always be around.Yes, the David Lynch Foundation is further 
integrating TM with Western thought. Thanks for sharing more about this book, 
and your thinking. I have no need to pick apart what you are saying, or 
belittle you, though I see what you are proposing as a natural process that we 
can engage with or not, according to our personal desires. The "world" will be 
fine, either way.:-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wouldn't call it a mistake so much as a situation, where time has evolved 
to: readdress the issue on a major level. The issue is this: for 50 plus years 
TM has been associated with a meditation created from India. Most all people in 
the western world perceives this knowledge as outside their world. Subsciously, 
most westerners see TM and all that it is: an unnecessary component of living, 
a foreign design. After SRM days, Maharishi's wish was... that western science 
incorporate the science of creative intelligence into western thinking. The 
great minds of western science, art,... all western discipline may incorporate 
this knowledge of life, (conceived in India) into a construct of western 
thought. 

  TM today, by most people outside of progressive thinking, is still thought to 
be an Eastern construct with some, scientific validation. And because of this 
perception, millions of people will still resist this meditation because of its 
association to Eastern thought. 

 When corporations create product, they advertise it's value as something one 
needs for betterment of self. People buy this product because of its projective 
value. Everybody wants it, subconsciously. Subsciously, most everybody, views 
TM outside their comfort circle.
 There is a major shift, again with TM under the watch of David Lynch 
Foundation...a needed boost of attention. This too will subside or flatten to a 
degree over time. Hopefully it will continue growing... These are the steps of 
progress, the way knowledge unfolds over generations. The 1% rule is limiting 
our reach, we want to reach beyond our expectations.  Why not? Corporations 

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Interesting stuff - thanks for the specifics. Yes, Dances With Wolves was well 
researched.  

 I find it curious the Western revulsion at violence done directly, though we 
have no such squeamishness when aiming a laser guided munition at a village. On 
the one hand, decrying the public be-headings by ISIS, while on the other, 
blowing the heads, arms, and legs off large segments of the populations we 
attack.  

 Hypocrisy, anyone?  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm speaking primarily of plains Indians. Ever watch Dances with Wolves? Now 
before you say "that's just Hollywood", it was a pretty accurate portrayal  of 
plains Indian life, although toned down greatly.  I read a book called *Indian 
Depredations* by Big Foot Wallace, one of the original Texas Rangers in which 
he chronicles attacks by Comanche, Kiowa, and other native Texas bands on 
settlers. There were a couple of bands in Texas that none of the other *tribes* 
or nations liked as they were cannibalistic. I could go into the nature of 
plains Indian depredations in detail but they were quite gruesome. Let's put it 
this way, An old saying among those with firsthand experience with Indians was 
" save your last bullet for yourself, you don't want to be captured alive". 
Yes, self mutilation was a common practice among plains Indians. Lots of 
*cutting*. Women cut them selves in mourning a lost loved one. Ever hear of the 
sun Dance? Sitting Bull cut something like a hundred pieces of flesh from his 
arms.  Of course we know of the mutilations of dead soldiers at the Little Big 
Horn. My great grand father arrived a couple of days after and helped bury the 
dead.Human sacrifice was limited more to the Aztec and Mayan, to my knowledge, 
although I'm pretty sure it happened in South American tribes as well. Ever 
hear of shrinking heads? < Not intending to paint all with a broad brush, there 
were  relatively more sophisticated nations as well, Hopi, Navajo Cherokee etc. 
But nobody remembers a *good* Indian! 
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
 
 
   What tribes or nations are you referring to here? I am curious, because none 
of that behavior, except for tool making, occurred among the first nations in 
what is now California, Oregon and Washington. The nations were tiny compared 
to they are today, and self-sufficient. It was considered extreme bad manners, 
and even crazy, to go from one nation into another. They didn't practice any 
self-mutilation either. Just like us whiteys, first nation peoples aren't all 
the same. And you are aware of course that it was the whites, not the 
"Indians",  who began collecting scalps. 
 

 There is no need to justify their slaughter, and death by disease, by 
considering them savage and barbarian. I don't think guilt-tripping is 
appropriate either, but acknowledging that theirs was as diverse and complex a 
group of cultures as ours, at least recognizes the reality of what happened.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Isn't it horrible? We brought them guns and whiskey. Had we never come, they 
could still be chasing buffalo(on foot), living in tepees, using stone and bone 
tools, killing each other over food stores for the winter, mutilating their 
bodies, making human sacrifice and otherwise living in *harmony* with nature..

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
 
 
 


   
 


 















 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Maharishi Devi Devantri Global Yagya.

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't understand the self-sabotage in a message like this. It is the ungainly 
combination of a fund-raising initiative, and a Vedic ceremony.  

 Granted, the TMO must generate sustainable revenue streams, above and beyond 
what the TM and Sidhis programs bring in, so why not just say that? with the 
provision that the money might be spent on yagyas? 
 

 Putting it this way, issued as a 'Royal Proclamation', substantially reduces 
the potential pool of contributors right away. Marketing 101.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FORWARDED:

 > 
 > Sender: gcwpnews@
 > Date: Friday, 25 September 2015 12:10:09 -0500
 > X-Google-Sender-Auth: d7b7e88776d0drt6d
 > Subject: Devi Devantri Guru Moon of the Global Country or World Peace
 > 
 > Following consultation with 26 Rajas of Maharishi's worldwide movement, His 
 > Majesty Maharaja Adhi Raj > Raja Raam has announced two beautiful new 
 > initiatives, to begin immediately following the conclusion of the > Devi 
 > Devantri Guru Moon on Sunday, 27 September across all >domains of the Global 
 > Country of World 
 
 > Peace.

 > 
 > In a Royal Proclamation to prepare for the celebration of Vaisakhi Devi 
 > Purnamah of the Vedic Calendar, His 
 >Majesty has proclaimed the conclusion of Devi Devantri Guru Moon as the 
 >auspicious time of inauguration of
 >permanent Maharishi Devi Devantri Global Yagyas in each of the 192 domains of 
 >the Global Country of World

 >Peace, with each country supporting at least 108 Maharishi Pandits for World 
 >Peace.
 > 
 > In a worldwide satellite conference celebration, amid cheers, applause, and 
 > the sounds of conches and
 >ringing bells, His Majesty announced: "It is a great joy to invite all 
 >certified governors of Maharishi’s teaching, 
 >sidhas, and meditators to contribute to these ongoing yagyas. The Rajas of 
 >each domain will personally be
 >contacting each National Director to develop a world plan to invite all 
 >members of Maharishi’s worldwide

 > movement to contribute financially to this beautiful program which will 
 > quickly ensure invincibility for every 
 > nation and enlightenment for every individual. 

>In this way, each valued disciple of His Majesty Maharaja Adhi Raj Raja Raam 
>will continue to sanctify the world with his blessing. This invitation will be 
>of particular interest to all members of Maharishi’s world-wide movement who 
>may not have not had the opportunity to contribute financially previously. 


 >We warmly invite you to contribute to this continuing Maharishi Devi Devantri 
 >GlobalYagya. The aim of His Majesty Maharaja Adhi Raj Raja and H.E. Rajas is 
 >to have as large a contribution as possible from every citizen in each of 
 >their domains. Under of the guidance of the Global Maharishi Jyotish Advisory 
 >Council, Rajas will inaugurate the First Annual Global Tour of their domains, 
 >immediately upon conclusion of Devi Devantri Guru Moon, to provide an 
 >opportunity for all citizens to personally offer their donations to the Rajas 
 >of the Global Country of World Peace.
 > 
 >
 
 > His Majesty explained that it was always Maharishi's wish that the Rajas of 
 > Maharishi's Global Country of World Peace would tour the countries of their 
 > domains each year as a celebration of gratitude for their continuous 
 > blessings on our worldwide movement and creating Heaven on Earth, and to 
 > honour all citizens by personally accepting their financial donations for 
 > the >permanent continuation of the Maharishi Devi Devantri Global Yagya 
 > program.
 

 > More details of requesting for funding for these beautiful annual tours by 
 > our beloved Rajas will >be announced shortly. In the meantime, all 
 > interested in providing advanced funding should please >contact the Raja 
 > Annual Global Tour (RAGT) office at ragt@...
 > 

 > 
 > 
 > PROCLAMATION
 > By the Royal Order 
 > of 
 > His Majesty Maharaja Adhi Raj Raja Raam,
 > First Ruler of The Global Country of World Peace
 > 
 > 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Doesn't apply - You are assuming that laser-guided munitions are more precise. 
They aren't. The laser part is precise. The bomb is still a bomb, exploding 360 
degrees, causing lots of collateral damage, blowing innocent women and children 
to pieces, much more so that the direct violence we abhor. It is easy to kill 
when the gore is removed from our senses, and much more evil, imo - no 
ownership of the act. No thorn here, just the cold blooded destruction of 
families, communities and nations.  

 Again, it is the "peace loving" Christians responsible  for this hell on 
earth. So they are hypocrites twice, once for their absence from the violence 
they encourage, and second because they talk about peace endlessly, while 
waging war - btw, that second phrase is an MMY quote. 
 

 Very bad karma, and even Jesus cannot save them. 911 certainly wasn't a random 
event. If the radical Christians continue to create enemies abroad and having 
done so, try and kill them all, they will bring further domestic attacks to 
this country. Exactly the same mindset as the radical Muslims, their mirror 
image, only more aggressive. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What did Maharishi used to say? Sometimes it takes a thorn to remove a thorn, 
I think. A well guided laser *thorn* would be much better than poking around 
with a big rusty nail.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
 
 
   Interesting stuff - thanks for the specifics. Yes, Dances With Wolves was 
well researched. 
 

 I find it curious the Western revulsion at violence done directly, though we 
have no such squeamishness when aiming a laser guided munition at a village. On 
the one hand, decrying the public be-headings by ISIS, while on the other, 
blowing the heads, arms, and legs off large segments of the populations we 
attack.  

 Hypocrisy, anyone?  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm speaking primarily of plains Indians. Ever watch Dances with Wolves? Now 
before you say "that's just Hollywood", it was a pretty accurate portrayal  of 
plains Indian life, although toned down greatly.  I read a book called *Indian 
Depredations* by Big Foot Wallace, one of the original Texas Rangers in which 
he chronicles attacks by Comanche, Kiowa, and other native Texas bands on 
settlers. There were a couple of bands in Texas that none of the other *tribes* 
or nations liked as they were cannibalistic. I could go into the nature of 
plains Indian depredations in detail but they were quite gruesome. Let's put it 
this way, An old saying among those with firsthand experience with Indians was 
" save your last bullet for yourself, you don't want to be captured alive". 
Yes, self mutilation was a common practice among plains Indians. Lots of 
*cutting*. Women cut them selves in mourning a lost loved one. Ever hear of the 
sun Dance? Sitting Bull cut something like a hundred pieces of flesh from his 
arms.  Of course we know of the mutilations of dead soldiers at the Little Big 
Horn. My great grand father arrived a couple of days after and helped bury the 
dead.Human sacrifice was limited more to the Aztec and Mayan, to my knowledge, 
although I'm pretty sure it happened in South American tribes as well. Ever 
hear of shrinking heads? < Not intending to paint all with a broad brush, there 
were  relatively more sophisticated nations as well, Hopi, Navajo Cherokee etc. 
But nobody remembers a *good* Indian! 
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
 
 
   What tribes or nations are you referring to here? I am curious, because none 
of that behavior, except for tool making, occurred among the first nations in 
what is now California, Oregon and Washington. The nations were tiny compared 
to they are today, and self-sufficient. It was considered extreme bad manners, 
and even crazy, to go from one nation into another. They didn't practice any 
self-mutilation either. Just like us whiteys, first nation peoples aren't all 
the same. And you are aware of course that it was the whites, not the 
"Indians",  who began collecting scalps. 
 

 There is no need to justify their slaughter, and death by disease, by 
considering them savage and barbarian. I don't think guilt-tripping is 
appropriate either, but acknowledging that theirs was as diverse and complex a 
group of cultures as ours, at least recognizes the reality of what happened.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Isn't it horrible? We brought them guns and whiskey. Had we never come, they 
could still be chasing buffalo(on foot), living in tepees, using stone and bone 
tools, killing each other over 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I am sorry, but the removal of TM from the mysticism and traditions of the 
past, is a GOOD thing. I agree that having more knowledgeable teachers would be 
helpful, though to say that the goals of humanity cannot be achieved solely 
with TM is completely false, an ego trip that has evolved from TM's simplicity. 
Some people are just never happy. :-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well Pundit Bill, you're an expert on the Vedas so you should know.  You 
should also then know that TM is just "a meditation for the masses."  For that 
shanti mantras are generally given.  And as you know Maharishi originally just 
gave a shanti mantra.  Also in real systems instead of parrots you train people 
to be actual meditation teachers who give the mantra along with shaktipat.  
However Maharishi did not have the credentials to make those kind of teachers.
 
 On 09/26/2015 10:06 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Bari2 opines:
 
 And TM really is "yoga lite" and a mere shadow of what can be learned 
elsewhere.
 
 So exactly what is "that" which is the "Sun" to TM's "mere" shadow?
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reason Why Three Supreme Court Justices were No Shows

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

LOL - I don't get the whole "last meal" nonsense. I can understand if you had 
been a political prisoner in the 18th century, kept in a dungeon or something, 
but for the run of the mill modern psychopath, comfortably incarcerated, I'd 
cite cost-cutting and get rid of it. We are already giving them a break by not 
killing them as their victims were killed, so lets skip that extra entree 
before they get the needle. Also, there has been quite an outcry over the pain 
that the chemicals may cause during the process of execution. wtf?? They could 
always throw a rope over a ceiling beam instead, or shoot them... 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 BTW, I heard that one of the things she requested for her last meal was a 
*diet* soda. Really
 

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Reason Why Three Supreme Court Justices were No 
Shows
 
 
   
 There could be something to that, if the law of the land is being followed and 
upheld as written. I remember when JFK was running for president. He was known 
to be Catholic and the question arose, *would his loyalties be to the Pope and 
Catholicism or to the law of the land*.This same question arose just last week. 
Should a Muslim be president? While there is no *religious* test to be 
President, the question is, where do their loyalties lie, to the laws of the 
land and the US constitution or Sharia. The two are not compatible. Would a 
Muslim President have a conflict enforcing the Constitution of the United 
States?

 

 


 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 2:32 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Reason Why Three Supreme Court Justices were No Shows
 
 
   
 Did you notice why they didn't attend the speech of Pope Francis in Congress?  
The reason IMO was because of the clemency plea of the woman who was eventually 
executed on Tuesday September 29, 2015 in Georgia.  All of those absent judges 
are Catholics and refused to get involved in the case for fear of obstructing 
justice.  Were they correct or not?
 

 Stay of Execution Denied for Georgia Woman 
http://news.yahoo.com/video/georgia-woman-executed-despite-plea-232420902.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma

 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/video/georgia-woman-executed-despite-plea-232420902.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 
 Stay of Execution Denied for Georgia Woman 
http://news.yahoo.com/video/georgia-woman-executed-despite-plea-232420902.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Watch the video Stay of Execution Denied for Georgia Woman on Yahoo News . 
Kelly Gissendaner, who was convicted or planning her husband's m...


 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
http://news.yahoo.com/video/georgia-woman-executed-despite-plea-232420902.html?soc_src=mail_trk=ma
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 


 












 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deaths During the Hajj

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fatigue and overcrowding is what I heard on the radio. Apparently many of the 
pilgrims are exhausted from their journey, and the massive crowds, so that if 
one falls down, the others behind him begin to stumble and fall too, with those 
further back continuing to surge forward. Saudi Arabia has spent billions to 
manage this holy site, without complete success, and it is amazing more are not 
killed. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Why did it happen?  Nobody seems to know.
 

 Saudi police say 1,100 photos of dead are from start of hajj 
http://news.yahoo.com/indonesia-criticizes-saudi-arabia-hajj-disaster-response-073511743.html

 
 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/indonesia-criticizes-saudi-arabia-hajj-disaster-response-073511743.html
 
 Saudi police say 1,100 photos of dead are from start of ... 
http://news.yahoo.com/indonesia-criticizes-saudi-arabia-hajj-disaster-response-073511743.html
 MECCA, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi Arabia said Tuesday the nearly 1,100 photos 
distributed to foreign diplomats to help identify nationals who have died in...


 
 View on news.yahoo.com 
http://news.yahoo.com/indonesia-criticizes-saudi-arabia-hajj-disaster-response-073511743.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] In Need of Satsang Detox

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I found this on the SAND 2015 page. A little long, but worth reading -
 

 In Need of Satsang Detox
 by Scott Kiloby 
 

 One reason I moved into the area of addiction treatment at the Kiloby Center 
was to get away from the satsang circuit. In and of itself, the circuit doesn’t 
necessarily create a lot of harm. But I remember getting numerous calls, texts 
or emails from spiritual seekers who had just attended a weekend or week 
retreat with a teacher. They would say, “The retreat was wonderful – I truly 
found peace” or something like that. But by Tuesday or Wednesday of the next 
week, the emails, texts or calls would change. “I’m suffering again right now, 
what should I do?” I would say, “Investigate for yourself, using the tools you 
have learned. Awakening is truly an inside job. Going to satsang and expecting 
to wake up and be free of suffering once you enter back into your normal life 
is like going to a drug dealer and expecting that temporary high to last 
forever.” So many times the person would not investigate for themselves. 
Instead, they would schedule and attend the next satsang or the next three to 
come to town. Then the cycle would repeat, with the high or peace of satsang 
replaced by the usual suffering days or weeks later.
 

 I have to admit that I am biased. I never attended satsang back in my seeking 
days. Sure, I watched a DVD or two of a spiritual teacher giving satsang. But 
once I extracted some really valuable tools, I put all of that down and began 
investigating on my own. This made all the difference. When I’m talking to 
spiritual seekers who are heavily into the satsang world, they often cite 
“transmission” as the reason they keep going back. The notion behind 
transmission is that there is some recognition that is transmitted from teacher 
to student during satsang. I won’t argue with that. Perhaps transmission does 
happen for some people. However, continuing to go back over and over and over 
so easily slips into the realm of addiction, treating the teacher kind of like 
a drug dealer who is dolling out the good stuff. In many cases, it stops being 
about transmission. It becomes all about addictive seeking.
 

 I am not waging a war against satsang. It has value. But I think it is 
important to point out that investigation using skillful means is of utmost 
important, to finally put to rest the seeking that leads one back again and 
again to satsang. Most good spiritual teachers would agree, even the ones who 
are doing satsang regularly.
 At the Kiloby Center, we truly make no distinction between addiction to drugs 
or alcohol and addiction to spiritual seeking or satsang. They carry many of 
the same elements: wanting to avoid or escape the past or uncomfortable 
thoughts and feelings showing up in the present, continuing to go back to the 
“drug” even after recognizing the cycle of “high” followed by withdrawal, 
believing that there is something (a drug) or someone (a teacher) outside 
oneself that has the answers to life’s pain, and chasing certain states and 
experiences rather than letting all states and experiences come and go freely.
 

 If you are a satsang teacher or someone who goes to a lot of satsang and this 
writing triggers you, there is probably something to examine. This writing 
comes with no ill will towards anyone.  No trigger. My body is completely calm 
as I write this. This writing has more to do with feeling great compassion as I 
watch people look outside themselves repeatedly for what cannot be found 
outside oneself. I would say the same thing to either a drug dealer continuing 
to doll out drugs to addicted people and to the addicted people who are 
enslaved to those dealers. And I’m not saying that all teachers are drug 
dealers and all seekers are like addicts. This is mainly just a metaphor. There 
are great teachers out there who emphasize self-investigation. And there are 
seekers who do a lot of self-investigation. But, if you are triggered by this 
writing, chances are the shoe here does fit. So maybe take a look. Again, 
investigate for yourself.
 
 

 Originally posted on Kiloby.com
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, definitely a bipartisan effort. I was also reading about the entrenchment 
and failure of some of the social welfare programs to help the homeless, and 
that such programs are structured to help symptomatically, vs. actually solving 
the problem (through long term follow-up and jobs training). It is more about 
securing an annual budget and doing the same old thing. 

 That said, I see red anytime a politician refers to my *paid for* SS, as 'an 
entitlement program'.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is pretty much why nothing gets done about illegal immigration. 
Republicans look the other way because  the chamber of commerce wants cheap 
labor who will be subsidized by all kinds of government hand-outs. Democrats 
look the other way because they want an underclass to vote for their government 
hand outs. Both also look the other way because illegals use false SS numbers. 
Numbers that cause money to flow into SS but will never be allowed to withdraw 
it. Illegals subsidize SS for everyone else, slowing down the collapse of SS.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the 
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ 
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal 
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or a visa. In 
both agribiz and the hotel and service industries, these big corps. look the 
other way, not bothering to validate the flood of false credentials, while 
knowingly employing thousands of illegals. It is a false issue, really. A big 
lie to set the middle class in confict, while the profits continue to roll in.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So you have to wonder, do people come here to contribute to the greater good 
and become E pluribus unum or do they come here to take what they want and 
leave the rest? A common language unites people.However, every immigrant group 
seems to expect more accommodation involving their native language.Here in 
Texas, almost all business and education involves Spanish and English. Press 1 
for English, press 2 for Spanish! Even streets signs in parts of Houston are in 
Vietnamese and Chinese! I mean, it looks kind of *cool*, international and 
chic, but how far do we go with that? I used to deliver to a doctor that ran a 
small clinic here and he put up a sign in his window announcing that  he no 
longer accepted medicaid patients. I asked him why and he told me that the 
government required that he furnish, at his expense, an interpreter for any 
language of any patient that he saw! "My God Mike, I have Poles, 
Russians,Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians and Arabs that come in here and 
I have to provide a translator", I can't afford it!"

 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:52 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who Would Have Predicted?
 
 
   Iowa used to be one of the whitest states in the Union, I believe, and it 
still is, but there has been an increase in the number of Hispanics here. In 
Iowa City, one of the big stores (is it Lowe's, perhaps -- can't remember) has 
all its signs in Spanish as well as English. I would much prefer that everyone 
learn English rather than having enclaves where people speak another language. 
It used to go without saying that immigrants would learn English, but it seems 
these days people are just as concerned to hang on to their own cultures. 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultural diversity is overvalued, in my opinion. The common denominator of the 
societies that score highest on measures of happiness are that they are 
culturally homogeneous. These are often small countries, like Denmark and 
Iceland. Multiculturalism just doesn't work very well. 

 

 For who? Even MIU was pretty culturally diverse and that worked pretty 
harmoniously back in the day. I guess now you're in the best place for what you 
prefer given the fact you are in the middle of the country in a state where 
there is homogeneity for miles. White, Christian, middle class.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is potential for problems in Europe with a large influx of Muslim 
refugees. Muslims are not good at assimilating. Some European countries (France 
for example) now have considerable numbers of second- and third-generation 
Muslim immigrants who are outside the mainstream of society and disaffected. 
They do 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It is cherry-picking, led by the radical Christian pastors. If the sanctity of 
human life is so important, where are the anti-war demonstrations by the 
Christians? Those aren't fetuses we are bombing, and invading, they are fully 
grown human beings, men, women and yes, children, but not a peep from the 
anti-abortion crowd about their maiming and slaughter. 
 

 I think it is because of the hypocrisy of their position - I once heard a 
Christian pastor say that a dog could not get into Heaven, unless it was a 
Christian dog (no kidding). The same justification is used for killing Muslims. 
What I would like to see is all of the Christians taking responsibility for the 
tragic loss of life that occurs due to our government's actions, including war. 
 

 This picking on the poor souls that undergo abortions is bullying and 
hypocrisy, imo. It is a radical religious view held by those who wish to 
continue the co-dependent relationship they have with their flocks. These 
preachers are a lot like the politicians, framing the (conveniently 
insurmountable) "problems" and "issues" that their congregations face, ensuring 
their followers will feel both bereft, and beholden to the churches. What a 
scam.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Actually, I believe I was giving a non religious explanation against abortion. 
The very founding documents, our nation are built upon, recognizes our  
unalienable(can not be denied) rights to *Life* liberty and the pursuit of 
happiness. You can't have liberty or happiness without Life. These rights are 
attributed to an All Mighty Creator because if such a thing existed, who is 
anyone to deny them? The very same person that wrote those words also wrote 
about the concept of a separation of Church and state. So, they are separate 
issues. The basic human rights recognized by the government are not religion 
based.

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   This whole abortion "debate" seems like such a set up. Why proclaim that due 
to religious principles, abortion is murder, or that gay marriage is sin, and 
then live in the USA? I am not suggesting such believers should leave, though 
it seems like an awful lot of heartache to go through, to insist on a religious 
truth so strenuously, that to have the opposite practiced by some, becomes a 
constant thorn in the believer's side. Who wants to live like that? It seems 
like a set up, designed to cause the believers additional pain, and have them 
become co-dependent on such ideas, and the organizations that publicize them. 
Life is tough enough, imo.
 

 And the issue is NOT that the Christians cannot live by their beliefs. No one 
is insisting *they* get abortions or participate in gay marriage. However, they 
and the radical pastors that preach to them have determined that both of these 
issues are somehow unholy, and their very practice is an abomination against 
God. This in no way begins to validate the freedom of each of us to live our 
lives as we see fit. Religious barriers, no matter how well intentioned, are 
better practiced personally, vs. imposed on anyone else. I also see a lot more 
commonality between the fundamentalists of any religion, be they Christians or 
Muslims, than any side is willing to admit.
 

 I do agree that there is a natural law in back of all of this, which we are 
all personally held to, and responsible for. However, each of us has to make 
that judgment of ourselves independently. No one can do this for us, or impose 
it on us, no matter how convinced of their truths they may be.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We hold these truths to be self evident... certain unalienable Rights,among 
these are LIFE! Unalienable is defined as, *can not be denied*. Without the 
most fundamental right of life, no other rights matter. When does life begin? 
Theologically, that is open to discussion. Biologically, it begins when 
Conjoined DNA begins to divide. It is the very beginning of life, it's 
self.That DNA is not the mother's, it's not the father's, it is the unique DNA 
of separate human being with all of it's potential from beginning to end. It 
has a right that can not be denied. Socially and theologically speaking, that 
unalienable right to life is considered sacred as long as it is innocent. 
Violate specific laws of society and that sacred value can be forfeited by the 
law breaker, it's his conscious decision. But never was it intended to to be 
denied on a basis of someone else's circumstances/ convenience. Do we really 
want to go down that road? Hitler did, as did many other tyrants and they have 
been traditionally labeled as EVIL, even Anti-Christ. I speak in biological 
terms of life because we value our society in secular terms and spiritual 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, every religion can be shown to have its hypocrisy, but this insistence 
that abortions cannot be performed according to the choice of the woman who is 
pregnant, is only prevalent in radical Christianity, and radical Islam. Not all 
Christian sects are against abortion, and not all Muslim countries forbid it. 
But those at the mercy of the radical preachers of both religions, are pawns, 
imo. To them I would say, You simply don't have the right, or the authority, to 
control my life. Go get perfect, first, and then we'll talk, but no butting in 
line.:-) The more moderate sects of both Christianity and Islam understand 
this. It is only the radical elements of both of these religions who insist on 
this complete invasion of personal choice. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 *Innocent Life,* the unborn don't fly jets into buildings or commit any other 
criminal or hostile act. Killing in Self- defense is justifiable. I believe I 
mentioned earlier that Abortion is acceptable when the mother's life is 
threatened.If you are concerned about hypocrisy, Christians aren't alone. 
Everybody can be labeled Hypocrites one way or another. Can you name one 
religious/spiritual group that doesn't have *qualifications* as to who receives 
salvation or liberation. etc?And each believes theirs is superior to 
others.Look no further than TM! Everyone has their limitations and 
understanding of religion and spirituality. If you have followed Maharishi's 
teachings you will know that we are born into our lives based on our karma, 
which dictates the circumstances of our lives and how and what values we grow 
up with to experience life. If you were born into a  Judeo-Christian culture, 
those are the values you are meant to experience life from. In India, from that 
perspective. A Muslim, that perspective and so on. That is your dharma and how 
you grow. This is why Maharishi used to say, one doesn't need to change 
religions to practice TM successfully. Add TM to whatever you are and you'll be 
better. Everyone has a different understanding based on their ability to 
understand. We all start from somewhere. The question is, where do we finish 
up? Follow your dharma for maximum growth. Gita says, it's better to die within 
your dharma, even if done poorly than to die in someone else's dharma, even if 
well done. If you were born a Jew , then be one but practice TM. If you were 
born a Christian, then be one but practice TM. If you were born a Muslim, a 
Hindu... etc. but practice TM. BTW, if you think you can convert to be a Hindu, 
you can't. Speak to any Vedic priest,. he'll tell you pretty much what I just 
said. And if you insist, dude, just imagine starting at the bottom of the 
barrel, as an untouchable, so you learn the full scope of what it is to be a 
real Hindu! LOL. No thanks!

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 5:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   
 It is cherry-picking, led by the radical Christian pastors. If the sanctity of 
human life is so important, where are the anti-war demonstrations by the 
Christians? Those aren't fetuses we are bombing, and invading, they are fully 
grown human beings, men, women and yes, children, but not a peep from the 
anti-abortion crowd about their maiming and slaughter. 
 

 I think it is because of the hypocrisy of their position - I once heard a 
Christian pastor say that a dog could not get into Heaven, unless it was a 
Christian dog (no kidding). The same justification is used for killing Muslims. 
What I would like to see is all of the Christians taking responsibility for the 
tragic loss of life that occurs due to our government's actions, including war. 
 

 This picking on the poor souls that undergo abortions is bullying and 
hypocrisy, imo. It is a radical religious view held by those who wish to 
continue the co-dependent relationship they have with their flocks. These 
preachers are a lot like the politicians, framing the (conveniently 
insurmountable) "problems" and "issues" that their congregations face, ensuring 
their followers will feel both bereft, and beholden to the churches. What a 
scam.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Actually, I believe I was giving a non religious explanation against abortion. 
The very founding documents, our nation are built upon, recognizes our  
unalienable(can not be denied) rights to *Life* liberty and the pursuit of 
happiness. You can't have liberty or happiness without Life. These rights are 
attributed to an All Mighty Creator because if such a thing existed, who is 
anyone to deny them? The very same person that wrote those words also wrote 
about the concept of a separation of Church and state. So, they are separate 
issues. The basic human rights recognized by the government are not religion 
based.

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I appreciate your commitment, and warning someone of the consequences of sin is 
OK if they are a close friend I suppose, and/or sharing the same faith. 
Otherwise, there are many choices for living, and there is also karma for 
imposing one's will on another. All the religions are incomplete wrt how they 
interpret God's message, and to assert that one is somehow superior over the 
others, and then insist that others follow such a  doctrine, seems pretty 
ignorant. There is the ability for any of us to follow a faith quietly, and 
with great conviction. Especially in these modern times, all religious 
knowledge is easily available. If a religion is strong enough, there is no 
reason to proselytize its message to the point that it causes conflict in the 
lives of those who don't share the same faith, to say nothing of openly 
imposing its will on others.
  
 Thanks for this discussion, and the challenge, and the ability for me to see 
more clearly your POV, and clarify my own. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know of any Christian church that will accept abortion as OK or 
advisable unless the mother's life is endangered. I'm sure there are some that 
may not talk about it for fear of seeming judgmental or driving away those that 
won't listen. Warning someone of the consequences of sin is not being 
judgmental, it's practical advice. I am willing to say the same goes for any 
other religion. A  devout Hindu or  devout Buddhist may say nothing but I can 
almost guarantee that they shrug their shoulders and think, "it's their karma, 
not mine". Their are people in every faith that don't practice it or only 
mildly. Christ called them luke warm and said he would spew them out in the 
end.  He demands people that are on fire for Him. Maharishi wanted people that 
were *one pointed* , on the program. If you aren't, he didn't waist time with 
you. All or nothing. I guess thats OK as long as you aren't told that Killing 
infidels via Jihad is the best guaranteed method to heaven. 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   Yes, every religion can be shown to have its hypocrisy, but this insistence 
that abortions cannot be performed according to the choice of the woman who is 
pregnant, is only prevalent in radical Christianity, and radical Islam. Not all 
Christian sects are against abortion, and not all Muslim countries forbid it. 
But those at the mercy of the radical preachers of both religions, are pawns, 
imo. To them I would say, You simply don't have the right, or the authority, to 
control my life. Go get perfect, first, and then we'll talk, but no butting in 
line.:-) The more moderate sects of both Christianity and Islam understand 
this. It is only the radical elements of both of these religions who insist on 
this complete invasion of personal choice.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 *Innocent Life,* the unborn don't fly jets into buildings or commit any other 
criminal or hostile act. Killing in Self- defense is justifiable. I believe I 
mentioned earlier that Abortion is acceptable when the mother's life is 
threatened.If you are concerned about hypocrisy, Christians aren't alone. 
Everybody can be labeled Hypocrites one way or another. Can you name one 
religious/spiritual group that doesn't have *qualifications* as to who receives 
salvation or liberation. etc?And each believes theirs is superior to 
others.Look no further than TM! Everyone has their limitations and 
understanding of religion and spirituality. If you have followed Maharishi's 
teachings you will know that we are born into our lives based on our karma, 
which dictates the circumstances of our lives and how and what values we grow 
up with to experience life. If you were born into a  Judeo-Christian culture, 
those are the values you are meant to experience life from. In India, from that 
perspective. A Muslim, that perspective and so on. That is your dharma and how 
you grow. This is why Maharishi used to say, one doesn't need to change 
religions to practice TM successfully. Add TM to whatever you are and you'll be 
better. Everyone has a different understanding based on their ability to 
understand. We all start from somewhere. The question is, where do we finish 
up? Follow your dharma for maximum growth. Gita says, it's better to die within 
your dharma, even if done poorly than to die in someone else's dharma, even if 
well done. If you were born a Jew , then be one but practice TM. If you were 
born a Christian, then be one but practice TM. If you were born a Muslim, a 
Hindu... etc. but practice TM. BTW, if you think you can convert to be a Hindu, 
you can't. Speak to any Vedic priest,. he'll tell you pretty much what I just 
said. And if you insist, dude, just imagine starting 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Superiorism sounds like life as run by the ego. Slavery, born of great fear, is 
all that is. The ego is all about always being right, and enforcing boundaries. 
It very much works in opposition to open-mindedness. Great manager, lousy 
leader. I am glad such influences are no longer predominant here on FFL, as it 
is resulting in long chains of varied thoughts, even tackling the most 
controversial topics. Ah, and I see *Girish's reputation* has been served up 
today...:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for the acknowledgment, Ollie. I noticed this too. The praise should go 
to yahoo-groups. Folks in the 'Debate' thread seemed consciously respectful in 
their writing on such a volatile subject with chosen writing written well 
within the yahoo-groups guidelines of civility. Was really great and 
substantial content well said. At one point someone tried a hook barbed with 
superiorism but nobody took the bait. The whole thread evidently shows a 
thoughtful culture of maturing self-moderation of the group. -JaiGuruYouAll! 
 

 Def: Superiorism (noun) – the state of believing you and/or your ideas are 
better than everyone else’s and attributing negative motives and/or lower 
levels of intelligence to anyone who would disagree
 

 FFL # 420760Superiorism
 -Bhairitu's Link
 18 September 2015
 

 
 420913"olliesedwuz" said: To Doug: Thanks for (re)creating a great environment 
here - it is really taking off. ..
 I don't think we will see eye to eye on this within the context of this 
discussion, though I heartily agree with what you had said earlier about being 
true to oneself, and having the courage of your convictions (paraphrasing). The 
topic of abortion can be such a contentious issue, and yet we've had about 
fifty exchanges on this subject, here on FFL, opening up a host of different 
perspectives.

 420849back_formore writes: (BTW, I like discussing things with you because no 
matter how much we might disagree you are alway pleasant and civil. I think 
this is one of the things I like most about FFL now - everyone can speak their 
mind without the peanut gallery inciting dissension by misrepresenting every 
viewpoint and consequently skewing discussions until hey resemble nothing but 
juvenile pie throwing contests)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think we will see eye to eye on this within the context of this 
discussion, though I heartily agree with what you had said earlier about being 
true to oneself, and having the courage of your convictions (paraphrasing). The 
topic of abortion can be such a contentious issue, and yet we've had about 
fifty exchanges on this subject, here on FFL, opening up a host of different 
perspectives. 

 To Doug: Thanks for (re)creating a great environment here - it is really 
taking off. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Geeez dude, don't take my word. Check it out your self. As for the definition 
of murder, check it out . It also usually includes willful and *unjust* 
killing.   A fetus doesn't threaten anyone. It is totally innocent.  In the 
case of wars, killing an enemy that is a threat, has never been considered 
murder. Although by today's standard there are clear limitations. Even the 
killing of civilians is not considered murder, if it was not intended and I 
would assume precautions were taken to avoid it. As far as I can tell, every 
culture and religion has made an exception for killing another human for self 
defense and war or at least a defensive war.  

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   Even if I take you at your word here, this still lacks an explanation for 
why this is the bigger issue, vs. the lives lost through US led invasions of 
other countries. To say waging war is self-defense makes such actions morally 
meaningless, allowing us aggression in any quarter, justified as 
'self-defense'. Where are the demonstrations against the murders occurring as a 
result of our actions outside our borders? Why should independent human beings 
get less or no consideration, than fetuses, regarding their murders, if we 
define murder as you have here? It seems you are going after the easy target.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Murder is defined as the willful killing of another *human being*, 
*especially* with malice. Notice , one doesn't have to exhibit malice to have 
committed murder. If a fetus is not a human being, what is it? Mind you, there 
was a time in our history when slaves were not considered complete human 
beings.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   Let's talk about this term, "murder", wrt an abortion. I know the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

HI, thanks for your info. I was curious where your comment came from. I don't 
live in Fairfield, nor do I shop much in the spiritual supermarket. I am always 
interested in how any of us puts our found spiritual gifts into practice. If I 
may take the lazy person's way out, what do you consider the three most 
important ideas in your book? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 thanks for your reply,
 my comment on one pointedness... I have noticed many people around the world 
who teach and recommend disciplines of health, including meditation practice: 
don't actually regularily practice their recommended disciplines in daily 
living.
 Many play the part (seminaring themselves to death, thinking ...they are 
growing); wearing the cloth of perceived value. 

 

 When I was 19 years of age, before even starting TM or any kind of healthy 
thinking beyond high school, I made a personal decision: challenged myself to 
live a righteous lifestyle. To me that meant, being a good person in living, no 
matter what I become in life.
 Even the best people on the planet , are f... ups: I thought, now that's a 
tough goal. My mind was set, in that personal moment, one afternoon. To this 
day, I have followed that "good person" principle in all relationships. I've 
screwed up and made mistakes, but never have I faultered from the intention of 
good behavior. At work, in marriage, with strangers..the principle stands, 
unshakeable in all situations. 

 

 Simply put...that is my one pointed-ness in living. It requires integrity, 
honestly, and acceptance of others as is. 

 People talk a good game of living: few practice it on a daily basis. 

 What's it done for me? Nothing more than, I am proud of my choices and who 
I've become. Far from perfect: my intention is great.
 

 I enjoy this kind of back and forth, it fills a passion and keeps my mind 
thinking...thanks for that...

 Not sure what goes from here? I was hopeful some would read my book and I 
could have that give and take. I could care less about  selling the book for 
profit, but I have to charge enough to break even. If no one wants to buy it, I 
will eventually put it out for free on free book sites, I guess. You are in the 
middle of TM land...my book fits, a gift of sort for those who transcend. If I 
wanted money I would have wrote about sex, romance and violence. 

 

 I'm an expat, near the jungle on the border of Thailand and Mirimar, a bit 
crazy to do so, but not as crazy as living in Fairfield...no?

 

 Dave Ryan

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 


 On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:00 AM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Hi, and Welcome - I read the available excerpts of your book - I am curious 
about your statement below that you are more one pointed and disciplined than 
most. In what domain, and what has that done for you lately? :-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thank you for invitation to FAIRFIELD GROUP
 My name is Dave Ryan, I have been practicing TM since 1972; Sidhi program: 
(govenor on 1976 flying course).
 Graduate of MIU: Santa Barbara, Calif...73-77...Fairfield to flying course; 
finished with a BIDS degree at MIU. 

 MS:Health Education, Univ of Colorado/UCLA, post graduate work, 78, 79.
 Created: Ryan's Brush Inc. 1984...Art creation in commercial and private 
settings.
 

 Retired from working America, 2009, at age 57.
 I currently live, travel and volunteer my services in South East Asia. Living 
a simple life.

 

 My reason for joining your group is simple: A book came through me: in a 
sense, without permission of self. Meaning it flowed from within (not unusual). 
The audience it was meant for: myself and people who are familiar with and 
experience finer levels of thought during Transcendental Meditation.
 

 I live, off the beaten path, in simple settings, by choice. I am not really 
connected to western civilization, except for this sharing: a bit of connection 
and feedback. I am more one pointed and disciplined, than most. 

 

 I wrote this book, plopped it on amazon KDP select program and as expected it 
sits with few takers. Out of respect, I am not using trademarked words of TM 
movement, thus my generic keywords are not tapping into people who transcend on 
a regular basis as I.
 I priced the book so most can afford and gave it away for free under KDP 
Select 5 day promotion. I had hope a TM'er would pick it up and they may 
connect to my blog for back and forth comment. The more negative the comment, 
the better as it shapes or challenges more projection of love, on my 
end...if that makes sense to you.

 

 It would certaintly enrich my life to share and challenge thought with those 
who experience greater awareness in thought. I am outside the box, a rebel of 
sort, and I am most certaintly respectful of Maharishi's wishes and 
expectations of us all.
   I did not ask permission or grace from within the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That covers a lot of ground.:-)  I agree that TM is a mechanical means to 
liberation, through the knowledge of the Veda, and that it can work as 
described. It is basically a tool for us to get out of the dullness you 
mentioned, and get things moving again - we are at our core, transcendental 
beings and might as well get on with it. I also see Maharishi as a great 
messenger, responding to the need of the times, to bring out the knowledge that 
he did, though I have no need to revere him as a personality.  

 As for TM being for everyone, it doesn't appear to be. Many who learned in the 
past have now set it aside. The intellectual case could be made certainly that 
it is a benefit for everyone, but each of us makes up our minds differently, 
and we are often drawn to spiritual practices for karmic reasons, in addition 
to a well reasoned approach. 
 

 Simply having the opportunity to find a teacher and learn TM is enough, imo, 
and that is now well established globally. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You asked: what are the 3 most important ideas in my book:
 A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI; GENIUS IS EASY, BEHAVIOR'S A MESS

#1. The most important idea to me in my book came, after I finished writing it, 
as I witnessed what I wrote. 
I am still learning what I wrote, as I read it again and again.
 
In chapter 5, titled: MAHARISHI'S GIFT.
 In so many words, Maharishi had one job...to inform, there lies within: your 
potential, unrealized intelligence and joy. Maharishi provided us with a key to 
unlock the pathway to what we already own: our birthright.

So many people in the world believe or unconsciously assume this knowledge of 
life, the vedas, the meditation process, all this is given, from Maharishi. 
Yes... Maharishi has provided us with the key to turn on the vehicle. Who owns 
the vehicle?...we all do. Knowledge is structured in consciousness, we are 
remembering and tapping into what we already possess. 
If people really understood this reality, they wouldn't say, nah, not 
interested, meditation is not my style. People would line up at age 10 to 
receive their key to unlock their God given potential as human beings.

This is not Maharishi's knowledge, it is the knowledge of life. Thank God, 
Maharishi has enough patience and heart to pursue the work.

#2. That genius seeps through cracks of dullness. In an instant, brilliance of 
mind may surface an idiot of sorts. That is my subjective experience: as dull 
as I am, I am genius in moments as it comes without effort.
Not a lifetime of meditation, an instant, it arrives and one realizes, I am 
more than what I thought, was capable.

#3. That we drag old thought through fresh fields of lost wonder. Starting with 
chapter 3:  realizing that habits and conditions of mind, filter out, our love 
of life. Meditation is a tool for a freshening sense.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ironic, again, that Ronald Reagan was the father of the 'amnesty for illegal 
immigrants' program - converted nearly 3 million to US citizens that way, 
during his Presidency. The reason his program of reform failed, is that his own 
party made him strip out all the legislation that enforced the laws against the 
hiring of illegal immigrants, creating the situation today, where some of the 
Fortune 500 depend on illegal immigrants to keep their bottom lines healthy.  

 Immigration, like gay marriage, like abortion, is another fake wedge issue. 
Keeps us squabbling, so that no one notices that the money backers all want the 
same thing, to make more money at all costs. As long as there are emotional hot 
buttons to keep us distracted, the politicians will push them every time. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Merriam-Webster defines *Immigrant* as someone who comes to another country to 
set up residency. Massachusetts was not a country or state at the time of the 
first Thanksgiving. At some point it became a recognized colony of the crown. 
There was no immigration. No permission to enter into the area around Plymouth 
Rock and settle was needed. No laws were violated. There was no government. 
Perhaps from an indigenous point of view, there should have been! Look at what 
they lost, EVERYTHING!< As for the Immigrant's Day thing, it wasn't a rumor. 
They admit to it. Someone on that conference call, by invitation only and 99 
chances out of a hundred were or was, an Obama supporter, made the suggestion, 
preposterous as it was. Anne, are you an Obama supporter? You didn't think it 
Preposterous. Did you?

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first 
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. 
 

 But the Pilgrims were immigrants and apparently helped and welcomed by the 
indigenous peoples at the time who aided them in all sorts of ways and so 90 
Natives and 53 Pilgrims spent 3 days celebrating the first harvest. Sounds like 
these immigrants were treated better than some other countries as treating the 
Syrians and why not call "Thanksgiving" "Immigrants Day"? I think, although 
it's a bogus rumor, that would be very apropos! LOL
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents 
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.

Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like 
it!
 

 From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   Neither golf day or fund raise day!
  The FOURTH  of JULY is ONE, &  our 1st & for some time the only national 
holiday
 

 


 -Original Message-
 From: ultrarishi 
 To: FairfieldLife 
 Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 

 I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans 
Day. 

 Don't think D Day is a National Holiday 
 
 





 


 












 













 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What tribes or nations are you referring to here? I am curious, because none of 
that behavior, except for tool making, occurred among the first nations in what 
is now California, Oregon and Washington. The nations were tiny compared to 
they are today, and self-sufficient. It was considered extreme bad manners, and 
even crazy, to go from one nation into another. They didn't practice any 
self-mutilation either. Just like us whiteys, first nation peoples aren't all 
the same. And you are aware of course that it was the whites, not the 
"Indians",  who began collecting scalps.  

 There is no need to justify their slaughter, and death by disease, by 
considering them savage and barbarian. I don't think guilt-tripping is 
appropriate either, but acknowledging that theirs was as diverse and complex a 
group of cultures as ours, at least recognizes the reality of what happened.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Isn't it horrible? We brought them guns and whiskey. Had we never come, they 
could still be chasing buffalo(on foot), living in tepees, using stone and bone 
tools, killing each other over food stores for the winter, mutilating their 
bodies, making human sacrifice and otherwise living in *harmony* with nature..

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 8:58 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Mike (Smile)
 
 
 


   
 


 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Why do you think it is a mistake in the TM message? Some people aren't going to 
meditate, period, whether they understand its intent, or not. Even Maharishi 
focused on very small groups to continue the world's evolution. There is no 
need for 99% or more of the population to meditate. It is all about creating a 
catalyst. "do less and accomplish more". 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to 
God, they would stand in line to learn it."
 

 This is Dave Ryan, I started this thread...Allow me to clarify my point 
made in reference to the statement of my earlier post.
 What I said was...People would line up at age 10 to receive their key to 
unlock their God given potential as human beings.
 You may suggest TM is a gateway to God but doing so would require work, as you 
suggested, I agree with your theory. You said:

 "I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for 
mechanical and regular transcending"
 There in lies the problem... people outside of the TM movement, view us as 
part of a group who think a certain way. This is normal thinking, groups think 
as groups do. In a sense, a group, by it's nature removes it's thinking away 
from the whole. Others outside of the group are not included. We all 
unconsciously isolate each other's position by definition of who or what we 
claim to be. 

 Belief or identification of self, sets us apart from each other. Groups draw 
and groups alienate, by their nature.
 

 So... people view TM as something outside of their own world, thats how they 
think, TM people think a certain way and thats ok for them.

 What the TM movement has failed to do: is communicate to the world what TM 
really is. 

 The TM group should have said, I'm sorry, I'm your new neighbor, I found this 
key on the street next to your driveway, is this your key? Of course they would 
be delighted and excited to get their key back, they didn't have a spare key to 
drive their vehicle, now locked in garage. 

 I am glad you have your key back and I am happy to have found it for you. You 
must be excited, oh yes, that key opens my world to all that I am. enjoy...done
 When the movement speaks of TM, there is a personna of ownership...we're 
giving u this technique and these are the conditions. twice a day, only from 
us. 

 Once a person begins TM, then they know this knowledge is their's...it's what 
they have always wanted. A key to fulfillment. Prior to that, people think this 
knowledge of TM is outside of themselves...which it's not!!! TM and all that it 
represents, is the people's knowledge, it's not owned by the TM org. The TM 
people just found the owner's key, next to their driveway.
 

 This awareness of ownership, is not known by the masses. If they knew what TM 
was, they would tear down the doors to get back their possessions.
 

 

 

 
 


 On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:46 PM, "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because it 
is mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it 
mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in 
line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that may not happen. 
I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for 
mechanical and regular transcending, and subsequent integration - It can make 
life uncomfortable for awhile, dealing with whatever it uncovers. That's my 
theory, so far. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not all disciplines emphasize practicing meditation twice a day.  Some just 
emphasize using it as needed.  It's good to step out of the shadow of TM and 
it's narrow definitions and find out what other paths do.  I know, they may 
want to throw you out of the dome for that but other gurus will actually have 
you visit saints, temples, gurus and ashrams.  I think the restrictions were to 
keep the money flow tight.  And of course the guilt aspect of you won't be 
supporting world peace if you don't at least meditate or fly twice a day.  
That's a variation on the old "Master Game" called "sin."
 
 
 On 09/23/2015 04:21 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Those could be useful adjustments, though you still have the basic "problem" 
with TM, of transcending twice a day -- If TM can be considered a technology, 
we are used to having our tech delivered with no downside, except cost. TM 
represents the benefits of tech; acceleration, expansion, ease, etc., but the 
integration of it all, the work, must still get done, to ensure continued 
benefits - like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Some people don't 
want to do all the work. Also, because it is an intra-personal technology, 
demonstrating the benefits can be tricky, at best.
 
 ---In 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Let's talk about this term, "murder", wrt an abortion. I know the radical 
preachers have seized on this term as a graphic and ugly description of 
abortion. But, have any of them known a murder victim? Someone who had a full 
life and a circle of friends and family, those that loved them, who would never 
see them again? Hard core memories of this person remain, their smile, their 
belongings, the many activities shared, their pictures in the high school 
yearbook. I lost two friends that way in high school, both young women, one was 
hitchhiking, and the other's car broke down. 

 And does anyone think about the actual mindset of a murderer? Aside from 
killings done in the heat of the moment, murderers are violent thugs and 
predators who deliberately enjoy inflicting pain on others - As evil as it 
gets. 
 

 To call abortion "murder" is over the top hyperbole, and those radical 
preachers spreading such nonsense should, if they can see over their massively 
inflated egos, be ashamed of themselves. Abortion is not murder, and it never 
has been. To equate it this way simply tells me that the ones raising this 
issue are either incredibly naive and thoughtless, or far more interested in 
creating conflict, than resolution. Doesn't sound Christ-like to me - 
Carelessly equating abortion with "murder" is more like creating a political 
wedge issue, to rally the flock. 
 

 Pardon my cynical view of the radical preachers who rally their followers 
around the abortion issue, though it seems far easier for these men to gang up 
on women thinking of terminating their pregnancy, than it does to tackle the 
real problems of the world, their families, and within themselves. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 About 53 million abortions since Row v Wade.About 300,000 last year. Hitler 
murdered 6 million innocent lives alone in a 5-6 yer period. Stalin murdered 
about 20 million, Mao about fifty million. We've got them beat!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it depends on your definition of *judge*. Do I recognize poor 
choices?Is it  from poor up bringing or low intelligence.-or is it something 
else. Does that person learn from their mistakes or do they keep repeating the 
same mistake over and over. Do they ever figure out that they are making 
mistakes and , poor choices. Do they feel any responsibility for their choices? 
Do they even care? Do they feel entitled to make mistakes without consequences? 
Some people learn things the easy way, others the hard way.  How much empathy, 
compassion and understanding is expected of me? For how long and to what 
degree? Are they taking advantage of my good will? If it's their nature to 
learn things the hard way, is my help actually retarding their learning 
process? Some people are real victims of circumstances through no fault of 
their own. They didn't make poor choices  but shit happened. Maybe their 
husband died or just left them or became totally disabled. Aren't  they more 
deserving of my empathy and compassion than someone that never grew up? When I 
was younger, out of wedlock births were relatively low. Today, I think it is  
over or at least close to half. Something is dreadfully wrong. When it comes to 
the woman that has the abortion, I am fully aware that she is probably confused 
and frightened of her future  and doesn't know what to do and ends up taking 
the remedy with the quickest results. I feel terribly sorry for her because  I 
don't think she really and fully understands what she has just done. Yes, 
she'll always remember it and the anguish. But she was talked into it and told 
it was the best thing to do. This is what the Beast does. What is the Beast, 
it's the system!

 

 Overview:
 

 Quick Stats • Half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and 
about four in 10 of these end in abortion.[1]
 • About half of American women will have an unintended pregnancy, [2] and 
nearly 3 in 10 will have an abortion, by age 45.[3]
 • The overall U.S. unintended pregnancy rate increased slightly between 1994 
and 2008, but unintended pregnancy increased 55% among poor women, while 
decreasing 24% among higher-income women.[1,6]
 • Overall, the abortion rate decreased 8% between 2000 and 2008, but abortion 
increased 18% among poor women, while decreasing 28% among higher-income 
women.[3]
 • Some 1.06 million abortions were performed in 2011, down from 1.21 million 
abortions in 2008, a decline of 13%.[4]
 • The number of U.S. abortion providers declined 4% between 2008 (1,793) and 
2011 (1,720). The number of clinics providing abortion services declined 1%, 
from 851 to 839. Eighty-nine percent of all U.S. counties lacked an abortion 
clinic in 2011; 38% 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat 
routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness 
to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent 
Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy. Sometimes I 
wonder who the far right are working for, since some appear completely opposed 
to our current way of life in this country. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. 

The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is 
preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far 
right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not 
revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to 
Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are 
pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an 
immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a 
conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post.
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. 
Read this from Snopes.

Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp
 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp
 
 Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp 
Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of 
Thanksgiving to


 
 View on www.snopes.com 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first 
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. 
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents 
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.

Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like 
it!
 

 From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   Neither golf day or fund raise day!
  The FOURTH  of JULY is ONE, &  our 1st & for some time the only national 
holiday
 

 


 -Original Message-
 From: ultrarishi 
 To: FairfieldLife 
 Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 

 I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans 
Day. 

 Don't think D Day is a National Holiday 
 
 





 


 












 













 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi, and Welcome - I read the available excerpts of your book - I am curious 
about your statement below that you are more one pointed and disciplined than 
most. In what domain, and what has that done for you lately? :-) 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thank you for invitation to FAIRFIELD GROUP
 My name is Dave Ryan, I have been practicing TM since 1972; Sidhi program: 
(govenor on 1976 flying course).
 Graduate of MIU: Santa Barbara, Calif...73-77...Fairfield to flying course; 
finished with a BIDS degree at MIU. 

 MS:Health Education, Univ of Colorado/UCLA, post graduate work, 78, 79.
 Created: Ryan's Brush Inc. 1984...Art creation in commercial and private 
settings.
 

 Retired from working America, 2009, at age 57.
 I currently live, travel and volunteer my services in South East Asia. Living 
a simple life.

 

 My reason for joining your group is simple: A book came through me: in a 
sense, without permission of self. Meaning it flowed from within (not unusual). 
The audience it was meant for: myself and people who are familiar with and 
experience finer levels of thought during Transcendental Meditation.
 

 I live, off the beaten path, in simple settings, by choice. I am not really 
connected to western civilization, except for this sharing: a bit of connection 
and feedback. I am more one pointed and disciplined, than most. 

 

 I wrote this book, plopped it on amazon KDP select program and as expected it 
sits with few takers. Out of respect, I am not using trademarked words of TM 
movement, thus my generic keywords are not tapping into people who transcend on 
a regular basis as I.
 I priced the book so most can afford and gave it away for free under KDP 
Select 5 day promotion. I had hope a TM'er would pick it up and they may 
connect to my blog for back and forth comment. The more negative the comment, 
the better as it shapes or challenges more projection of love, on my 
end...if that makes sense to you.

 

 It would certaintly enrich my life to share and challenge thought with those 
who experience greater awareness in thought. I am outside the box, a rebel of 
sort, and I am most certaintly respectful of Maharishi's wishes and 
expectations of us all.
   I did not ask permission or grace from within the TM org. to write or 
publish this book. Reason being, the book is not about TM, it is a subjective 
experience, a work of effortless discovery of clarity in thinking. Book 
addresses my subjective experience of connection to cosmos; man, woman and 
nature. Subjective experience comes as word. The book addresses politics, 
capitalism, human behavior and perception. 75 % of book is prose and verse 
leading, logic of mind. Over 150 images of my art, reflecting the themes of 
each verse.
 

 So here is a link to my book if u are curious..look inside the book of 463 
pages..u can pull up 10% for free to read.
 If u like the book's potential for discussion and enjoyment, I'll gift u a 
copy if you'll read it. You can tear it apart or not, just let me know if this 
book would be a benefit to this site. If not please let me know as well...book 
link below with reviews

 thanks 

 Dave Ryan
 

 
http://www.amazon.com/PIRATES-CALL-MAHARISHI-MAHESH-YOGI-ebook/dp/B0140UAU1O/ref=sr_1_1?s=books=UTF8=1442278180=1-1=a+pirates+call
 
http://www.amazon.com/PIRATES-CALL-MAHARISHI-MAHESH-YOGI-ebook/dp/B0140UAU1O/ref=sr_1_1?s=books=UTF8=1442278180=1-1=a+pirates+call


 

  

   

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't think we will see eye to eye on this within the context of this 
discussion, though I heartily agree with what you had said earlier about being 
true to oneself, and having the courage of your convictions (paraphrasing). The 
topic of abortion can be such a contentious issue, and yet we've had about 
fifty exchanges on this subject, here on FFL, opening up a host of different 
perspectives. 

 To Doug: Thanks for (re)creating a great environment here - it is really 
taking off. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Geeez dude, don't take my word. Check it out your self. As for the definition 
of murder, check it out . It also usually includes willful and *unjust* 
killing.   A fetus doesn't threaten anyone. It is totally innocent.  In the 
case of wars, killing an enemy that is a threat, has never been considered 
murder. Although by today's standard there are clear limitations. Even the 
killing of civilians is not considered murder, if it was not intended and I 
would assume precautions were taken to avoid it. As far as I can tell, every 
culture and religion has made an exception for killing another human for self 
defense and war or at least a defensive war.  

 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   Even if I take you at your word here, this still lacks an explanation for 
why this is the bigger issue, vs. the lives lost through US led invasions of 
other countries. To say waging war is self-defense makes such actions morally 
meaningless, allowing us aggression in any quarter, justified as 
'self-defense'. Where are the demonstrations against the murders occurring as a 
result of our actions outside our borders? Why should independent human beings 
get less or no consideration, than fetuses, regarding their murders, if we 
define murder as you have here? It seems you are going after the easy target.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Murder is defined as the willful killing of another *human being*, 
*especially* with malice. Notice , one doesn't have to exhibit malice to have 
committed murder. If a fetus is not a human being, what is it? Mind you, there 
was a time in our history when slaves were not considered complete human 
beings.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   Let's talk about this term, "murder", wrt an abortion. I know the radical 
preachers have seized on this term as a graphic and ugly description of 
abortion. But, have any of them known a murder victim? Someone who had a full 
life and a circle of friends and family, those that loved them, who would never 
see them again? Hard core memories of this person remain, their smile, their 
belongings, the many activities shared, their pictures in the high school 
yearbook. I lost two friends that way in high school, both young women, one was 
hitchhiking, and the other's car broke down.
 

 And does anyone think about the actual mindset of a murderer? Aside from 
killings done in the heat of the moment, murderers are violent thugs and 
predators who deliberately enjoy inflicting pain on others - As evil as it 
gets. 
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 About 53 million abortions since Row v Wade.About 300,000 last year. Hitler 
murdered 6 million innocent lives alone in a 5-6 yer period. Stalin murdered 
about 20 million, Mao about fifty million. We've got them beat!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it depends on your definition of *judge*. Do I recognize poor 
choices?Is it  from poor up bringing or low intelligence.-or is it something 
else. Does that person learn from their mistakes or do they keep repeating the 
same mistake over and over. Do they ever figure out that they are making 
mistakes and , poor choices. Do they feel any responsibility for their choices? 
Do they even care? Do they feel entitled to make mistakes without consequences? 
Some people learn things the easy way, others the hard way.  How much empathy, 
compassion and understanding is expected of me? For how long and to what 
degree? Are they taking advantage of my good will? If it's their nature to 
learn things the hard way, is my help actually retarding their learning 
process? Some people are real victims of circumstances through no fault of 
their own. They didn't make poor choices  but shit happened. Maybe their 
husband died or just left them or became totally disabled. Aren't  they more 
deserving of my empathy and compassion than 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Not at all - I don't think you are a racist either. But this is just really 
dirty, even for politics, and as I said feels a little racist to me, for the 
reasons I mentioned.  It also has nothing to do with his policies, just a 
personal attack. 

 I do find it ironic that many Republicans have vowed to shut down "Obamacare", 
which in addition to closing many loopholes, and making healthcare more 
affordable, has been a huge boon for the healthcare industry, boosting profits, 
and creating jobs. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 Right, if you don't agree with the President, you have to be a racist! If you 
criticize the President, you have to be a racist. If you resist his policies, 
you have to be a racist.
 

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat 
routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness 
to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent 
Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy. Sometimes I 
wonder who the far right are working for, since some appear completely opposed 
to our current way of life in this country.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm afraid not, Mike. Both your posts on this were wildly misleading. 

The very notion of Obama changing Thanksgiving Day to Immigrants Day is 
preposterous, but it fits smoothly into the anti-Obama nonsense that the far 
right indulges in all the time: Obama is not an American, therefore he does not 
revere Thanksgiving like all good Americans do, and he wants to change it to 
Immigrants day because he is sympathetic to the flood of illegals that are 
pouring in and ruining this once-great country of ours, and is of course an 
immigrant himself (and an illegal one, too). 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You might re-read my original post. Even Snopes said someone involved in a 
conference call made the suggestion. Snopes validated my original post.
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   You should really check your sources before passing on nonsense like that. 
Read this from Snopes.

Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp
 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp
 
 Immigrant Song http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp 
Rumor: President Obama plans to issue an executive order changing the name of 
Thanksgiving to


 
 View on www.snopes.com 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/thanksgiving.asp
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 But them the Pilgrims were not celebrating immigration on their first 
Thanksgiving. Just one more executive action to be rescinded January 29th 2017. 
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure about the truth of this but I read somewhere that the Presidents 
supporters are trying to get him to change Thanksgiving to Immigrants day.

Well that's perfect then considering all the pilgrims were immigrants. I like 
it!
 

 From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 
   Neither golf day or fund raise day!
  The FOURTH  of JULY is ONE, &  our 1st & for some time the only national 
holiday
 

 


 -Original Message-
 From: ultrarishi 
 To: FairfieldLife 
 Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 5:59 pm
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Interesting fact "D-Day"
 
 

 I think the observances that are appropriate are Memorial Day and Veterans 
Day. 

 Don't think D Day is a National Holiday 
 
 





 


 












 













 
















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Even if I take you at your word here, this still lacks an explanation for why 
this is the bigger issue, vs. the lives lost through US led invasions of other 
countries. To say waging war is self-defense makes such actions morally 
meaningless, allowing us aggression in any quarter, justified as 
'self-defense'. Where are the demonstrations against the murders occurring as a 
result of our actions outside our borders? Why should independent human beings 
get less or no consideration, than fetuses, regarding their murders, if we 
define murder as you have here? It seems you are going after the easy target. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Murder is defined as the willful killing of another *human being*, 
*especially* with malice. Notice , one doesn't have to exhibit malice to have 
committed murder. If a fetus is not a human being, what is it? Mind you, there 
was a time in our history when slaves were not considered complete human 
beings.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   Let's talk about this term, "murder", wrt an abortion. I know the radical 
preachers have seized on this term as a graphic and ugly description of 
abortion. But, have any of them known a murder victim? Someone who had a full 
life and a circle of friends and family, those that loved them, who would never 
see them again? Hard core memories of this person remain, their smile, their 
belongings, the many activities shared, their pictures in the high school 
yearbook. I lost two friends that way in high school, both young women, one was 
hitchhiking, and the other's car broke down.
 

 And does anyone think about the actual mindset of a murderer? Aside from 
killings done in the heat of the moment, murderers are violent thugs and 
predators who deliberately enjoy inflicting pain on others - As evil as it 
gets. 
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 About 53 million abortions since Row v Wade.About 300,000 last year. Hitler 
murdered 6 million innocent lives alone in a 5-6 yer period. Stalin murdered 
about 20 million, Mao about fifty million. We've got them beat!

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I guess it depends on your definition of *judge*. Do I recognize poor 
choices?Is it  from poor up bringing or low intelligence.-or is it something 
else. Does that person learn from their mistakes or do they keep repeating the 
same mistake over and over. Do they ever figure out that they are making 
mistakes and , poor choices. Do they feel any responsibility for their choices? 
Do they even care? Do they feel entitled to make mistakes without consequences? 
Some people learn things the easy way, others the hard way.  How much empathy, 
compassion and understanding is expected of me? For how long and to what 
degree? Are they taking advantage of my good will? If it's their nature to 
learn things the hard way, is my help actually retarding their learning 
process? Some people are real victims of circumstances through no fault of 
their own. They didn't make poor choices  but shit happened. Maybe their 
husband died or just left them or became totally disabled. Aren't  they more 
deserving of my empathy and compassion than someone that never grew up? When I 
was younger, out of wedlock births were relatively low. Today, I think it is  
over or at least close to half. Something is dreadfully wrong. When it comes to 
the woman that has the abortion, I am fully aware that she is probably confused 
and frightened of her future  and doesn't know what to do and ends up taking 
the remedy with the quickest results. I feel terribly sorry for her because  I 
don't think she really and fully understands what she has just done. Yes, 
she'll always remember it and the anguish. But she was talked into it and told 
it was the best thing to do. This is what the Beast does. What is the Beast, 
it's the system!

 

 Overview:
 

 Quick Stats • Half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and 
about four in 10 of these end in abortion.[1]
 • About half of American women will have an unintended pregnancy, [2] and 
nearly 3 in 10 will have an abortion, by age 45.[3]
 • The overall U.S. unintended pregnancy rate increased slightly between 1994 
and 2008, but unintended pregnancy increased 55% among poor women, while 
decreasing 24% among higher-income women.[1,6]
 • Overall, the abortion rate decreased 8% between 2000 and 2008, but abortion 
increased 18% among poor women, while decreasing 28% among higher-income 
women.[3]
 • Some 1.06 million abortions were performed in 2011, down from 1.21 million 
abortions in 2008, a decline of 13%.[4]
 

[FairfieldLife] The Pope in Phoenix - Is it a miracle, or a coincidence?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This caught my attention:
 

 Pope held sick baby, what happened next is amazing 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inspiration-nation/2015/09/23/inspiration-nation-pope-holds-baby/72671356/

 
 
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inspiration-nation/2015/09/23/inspiration-nation-pope-holds-baby/72671356/
 
 
 Pope held sick baby, what happened next is amazing 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inspiration-nation/2015/09/23/inspiration-nation-pope-holds-baby/72671356/
 "The Pope healed our baby's heart." Lynn Cassidy has no other words to explain 
what happened to her 3-month-old daughter Ave.
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Those could be useful adjustments, though you still have the basic "problem" 
with TM, of transcending twice a day -- If TM can be considered a technology, 
we are used to having our tech delivered with no downside, except cost. TM 
represents the benefits of tech; acceleration, expansion, ease, etc., but the 
integration of it all, the work, must still get done, to ensure continued 
benefits - like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Some people don't 
want to do all the work. Also, because it is an intra-personal technology, 
demonstrating the benefits can be tricky, at best. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There was a report on FFL about an Indian ayurvedic doctor who visited and 
offered to teach correct meditation.  He maintained that TM was too "shotgun" 
and there were better ways using ayurveda to teach meditation.  I've been 
saying this for years as the TM technique is pretty much for pitta or rajasic 
types.  That might mean if you're a bit kapha TM might be fattening.  Some of  
the Indian gurus will observe a person for several days and give a mantra 
appropriate for their type.
 
 On 09/23/2015 10:43 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   That covers a lot of ground.:-)  I agree that TM is a mechanical means to 
liberation, through the knowledge of the Veda, and that it can work as 
described. It is basically a tool for us to get out of the dullness you 
mentioned, and get things moving again - we are at our core, transcendental 
beings and might as well get on with it. I also see Maharishi as a great 
messenger, responding to the need of the times, to bring out the knowledge that 
he did, though I have no need to revere him as a personality. 
 

 As for TM being for everyone, it doesn't appear to be. Many who learned in the 
past have now set it aside. The intellectual case could be made certainly that 
it is a benefit for everyone, but each of us makes up our minds differently, 
and we are often drawn to spiritual practices for karmic reasons, in addition 
to a well reasoned approach. 
 

 Simply having the opportunity to find a teacher and learn TM is enough, imo, 
and that is now well established globally. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:ryandave177@... wrote :
 
 You asked: what are the 3 most important ideas in my book:
  A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI; GENIUS IS EASY, BEHAVIOR'S A MESS
 
 #1. The most important idea to me in my book came, after I finished writing 
it, as I witnessed what I wrote. 
 I am still learning what I wrote, as I read it again and again.
  
 In chapter 5, titled: MAHARISHI'S GIFT.
  In so many words, Maharishi had one job...to inform, there lies within: your 
potential, unrealized intelligence and joy. Maharishi provided us with a key to 
unlock the pathway to what we already own: our birthright.
 
 So many people in the world believe or unconsciously assume this knowledge of 
life, the vedas, the meditation process, all this is given, from Maharishi. 
Yes... Maharishi has provided us with the key to turn on the veh! icle. Who 
owns the vehicle?...we all do. Knowledge is structured in consciousness, we are 
remembering and tapping into what we already possess. 
 If people really understood this reality, they wouldn't say, nah, not 
interested, meditation is not my style. People would line up at age 10 to 
receive their key to unlock their God given potential as human beings.
 
 This is not Maharishi's knowledge, it is the knowledge of life. Thank God, 
Maharishi has enough patience and heart to pursue the work.
 
 #2. That genius seeps through cracks of dullness. In an instant, brilliance of 
mind may surface an idiot of sorts. That is my subjective experience: as dull 
as I am, I am genius in moments as it comes without effort.
 Not a lifetime of meditation, an instant, it arrives and one realizes, I am 
more than what I thought, was capable.
 
 #3. That we drag old thought through fresh fields of lost wonder. Starting 
with chapter 3:  realizing that habits and conditions of mind, filter out, our 
love of life. Meditation is a tool for a freshening sense.



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: California Drought a Government Conspiracy?

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://meatballcandy.com/2013/its-been-raining-for-days-and-days-so-i-started 
http://meatballcandy.com/2013/its-been-raining-for-days-and-days-so-i-started 
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Rain ragas might help.Rain jokes on late night shows?

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:35 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: California Drought a Government Conspiracy?
 
 
   TMers in the state should get together and request a rain yagya from pandits 
in India

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/09/22/growing-number-believe-californias-drought-is-a-government-conspiracy/
 
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/09/22/growing-number-believe-californias-drought-is-a-government-conspiracy/
 
 BTW, talk of "chemtrails" has been around since the early 1970s when I 
 used to read about them in the LA Free Press. I sorta makes sense that 
 if climate scientists were concerned then they might have figured asking 
 the public if it would be okay to do some program would have met with 
 resistance. Thing is I've seen two planes at the same altitude within 
 minutes of each other. One had a regular "contrail" and the other had 
 the controversial "chemtrail". The first one dispersed about a mile 
 behind the plane when the second did not.
 
 On bright sunny days in the SF Bay area you can see the remains of these 
 fake cirrus clouds. And I've seen reports people have done about the 
 low pressure areas that would usually come off the Pacific and bring 
 rain to California, stall and disperse. Some believe this is the work 
 of the former military run (now University of Alaska) HAARP facility. 
 The reason given is that Fukushima has dumped so much radiation into the 
 Pacific, which is why we are seeing more beached whales, that the rain 
 would have been radioactive and deadly.
 
 BTW, I recall seeing a tape in SCI back in 1974 about a meditating 
 climate scientist. I don't quite remember his name.



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This whole abortion "debate" seems like such a set up. Why proclaim that due to 
religious principles, abortion is murder, or that gay marriage is sin, and then 
live in the USA? I am not suggesting such believers should leave, though it 
seems like an awful lot of heartache to go through, to insist on a religious 
truth so strenuously, that to have the opposite practiced by some, becomes a 
constant thorn in the believer's side. Who wants to live like that? It seems 
like a set up, designed to cause the believers additional pain, and have them 
become co-dependent on such ideas, and the organizations that publicize them. 
Life is tough enough, imo. 

 And the issue is NOT that the Christians cannot live by their beliefs. No one 
is insisting *they* get abortions or participate in gay marriage. However, they 
and the radical pastors that preach to them have determined that both of these 
issues are somehow unholy, and their very practice is an abomination against 
God. This in no way begins to validate the freedom of each of us to live our 
lives as we see fit. Religious barriers, no matter how well intentioned, are 
better practiced personally, vs. imposed on anyone else. I also see a lot more 
commonality between the fundamentalists of any religion, be they Christians or 
Muslims, than any side is willing to admit.
 

 I do agree that there is a natural law in back of all of this, which we are 
all personally held to, and responsible for. However, each of us has to make 
that judgment of ourselves independently. No one can do this for us, or impose 
it on us, no matter how convinced of their truths they may be.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 We hold these truths to be self evident... certain unalienable Rights,among 
these are LIFE! Unalienable is defined as, *can not be denied*. Without the 
most fundamental right of life, no other rights matter. When does life begin? 
Theologically, that is open to discussion. Biologically, it begins when 
Conjoined DNA begins to divide. It is the very beginning of life, it's 
self.That DNA is not the mother's, it's not the father's, it is the unique DNA 
of separate human being with all of it's potential from beginning to end. It 
has a right that can not be denied. Socially and theologically speaking, that 
unalienable right to life is considered sacred as long as it is innocent. 
Violate specific laws of society and that sacred value can be forfeited by the 
law breaker, it's his conscious decision. But never was it intended to to be 
denied on a basis of someone else's circumstances/ convenience. Do we really 
want to go down that road? Hitler did, as did many other tyrants and they have 
been traditionally labeled as EVIL, even Anti-Christ. I speak in biological 
terms of life because we value our society in secular terms and spiritual 
values are not considered valid anymore because certain people don't want 
other's religions imposed upon them..

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   To me, black and white thinking takes on the cloak of "casual, indifferent, 
etc.", or "blasé," if you will.  The remark "Oh shit! I missed my period! I'm 
really *f"ed* now!" seemed off the cuff and appeared to indicate a prejudiced 
and surficial understanding of the issue"blasé."
 

 Curiously, Mike, do you believe in the soul?  Do you believe in the eternal 
soul?  Do you believe that the soul dies along with a potential life that was 
aborted by the mother, a potential life that could not survive independently at 
6 weeks and that even nature aborts naturally at times (called miscarriages).  
Do you believe that it could be possible that if there is a soul, that the soul 
may "live" to incarnate in a different host/mother?  Just food for thought.  
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I draw the line with *murder* as one human willfully  killing another innocent 
human. There's manslaughter, accidents etc.Then there is killing for food.I can 
admire one who observes ahimsa as going above and beyond the call of duty as a  
penance. 

 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Debate from Hell'
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "My blase attitudes", did I get that right? How can anything be more blase 
than to sweep away and destroy an innocent human life because you're not ready 
to be responsible for*it* yet? It's freaking murder! A women's right to murder? 
The Supreme Court will wake up one day, just as they did when they ruled one 
human can not own another or that Slaves were not 3/5ths of a human being, 
because "all men are created equal" 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because it is 
mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it 
mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in 
line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that may not happen. 
I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for 
mechanical and regular transcending, and subsequent integration - It can make 
life uncomfortable for awhile, dealing with whatever it uncovers. That's my 
theory, so far.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not all disciplines emphasize practicing meditation twice a day.  Some just 
emphasize using it as needed.  It's good to step out of the shadow of TM and 
it's narrow definitions and find out what other paths do.  I know, they may 
want to throw you out of the dome for that but other gurus will actually have 
you visit saints, temples, gurus and ashrams.  I think the restrictions were to 
keep the money flow tight.  And of course the guilt aspect of you won't be 
supporting world peace if you don't at least meditate or fly twice a day.  
That's a variation on the old "Master Game" called "sin."
 
 
 On 09/23/2015 04:21 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Those could be useful adjustments, though you still have the basic "problem" 
with TM, of transcending twice a day -- If TM can be considered a technology, 
we are used to having our tech delivered with no downside, except cost. TM 
represents the benefits of tech; acceleration, expansion, ease, etc., but the 
integration of it all, the work, must still get done, to ensure continued 
benefits - like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Some people don't 
want to do all the work. Also, because it is an intra-personal technology, 
demonstrating the benefits can be tricky, at best.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 There was a report on FFL about an Indian ayurvedic doctor who visited and 
offered to teach correct meditation.  He maintained that TM was too "shotgun" 
and there were better ways using ayurveda to teach meditation.  I've been 
saying this for years as the TM technique is pretty much for pitta or rajasic 
types.  That might mean if you're a bit kapha TM might be fattening.  Some of  
the Indian gurus will observe a person for several days and give a mantra 
appropriate for their type.
 
 On 09/23/2015 10:43 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   That covers a lot of ground.:-)  I agree that TM is a mechanical means to 
liberation, through the knowledge of the Veda, and that it can work as 
described. It is basically a tool for us to get out of the dullness you 
mentioned, and get things moving again - we are at our core, transcendental 
beings and might as well get on with it. I also see Maharishi as a great 
messenger, responding to the need of the times, to bring out the knowledge that 
he did, though I have no need to revere him as a personality. 
 

 As for TM being for everyone, it doesn't appear to be. Many who learned in the 
past have now set it aside. The intellectual case could be made certainly that 
it is a benefit for everyone, but each of us makes up our minds differently, 
and we are often drawn to spiritual practices for karmic reasons, in addition 
to a well reasoned approach. 
 

 Simply having the opportunity to find a teacher and learn TM is enough, imo, 
and that is now well established globally. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:ryandave177@... wrote :
 
 You asked: what are the 3 most important ideas in my book:
  A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI; GENIUS IS EASY, BEHAVIOR'S A MESS
 
 #1. The most important idea to me in my book came, after I finished writing 
it, as I witnessed what I wrote. 
 I am still learning what I wrote, as I read it again and again.
  
 In chapter 5, titled: MAHARISHI'S GIFT.
  In so many words, Maharishi had one job...to inform, there lies within: your 
potential, unrealized intelligence and joy. Maharishi provided us with a key to 
unlock the pathway to what we already own: our birthright.
 
 So many people in the world believe or unconsciously assume this knowledge of 
life, the vedas, the meditation process, all this is given, from Maharishi. 
Yes... Maharishi has provided us with the key to turn on the veh! icle. Who 
owns the vehicle?...we all do. Knowledge is structured in consciousness, we are 
remembering and tapping into what we already possess. 
 If people really understood this reality, they wouldn't say, nah, not 
interested, meditation is not my style. People would line up at age 10 to 
receive their key to unlock their God given potential as human beings.
 
 This is not Maharishi's knowledge, it is the knowledge of life. Thank God, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: YF'ing Yogic Flying Evidently is Out

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

To clarify: I personally have not conducted any scientific studies...:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 Not studied? ..The Support of Nature Phenomena and heightened intuition from 
meditating.  Empirical analysis of people’s experience of ‘support of nature’ 
was gathered during a thesis for a Ph.D.  The research found a statistical 
correlation with meditating and natural support of nature in life experience.  
-JaiGuruYou
 

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like a strange sales talk...I would think bringing up superiority in 
that vein, along with "easier parking" as the key benefit, would lead to very 
few takers. But yeah, "the parking space thing" -- must be something to it, as 
it comes up from time to time regarding the siddhis course. I remember noticing 
the phenomenon myself...though no scientific studies attempted.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, prior to that time, I had already taken the TM-Sidhis course when living 
and working in a UK TM Academy. This meeting was an invite to a certain 
commercial enterprise for the general public to which the mention of meditation 
was part of the sales talk, but it would not be ethical to provide actual 
details except to say that a timely vacant parking space in a crowded town was 
considered a benefit of being a Sidha.

 

 

difficult to assess without more info - I heard the same thing back then, only 
it was said in a context of evolution and personal growth, not judgment. Just 
as someone would say, for example, after you graduate from college, you will 
know more about x or y, than you did in high school.  

 There is a comprehensive cleansing of the body machinery through the Sidhis, 
and though I cannot say for those who sleep in the Domes during their programs, 
it does lead to an entirely different style of functioning, with simply more 
available than before. It could be called a 'superior' way of functioning, 
should a personal comparison be made of capabilities available before, and 
after, learning the techniques.
 

 Did you end up taking the TM-Siddhis course?




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: YF'ing Yogic Flying Evidently is Out

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

LOL - don't we all? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's a fabulous benefit. I mean the parking space thing. I have noticed this 
for many years, although I do not attribute it to the sidhis. I think I am just 
naturally a superior being. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, prior to that time, I had already taken the TM-Sidhis course when living 
and working in a UK TM Academy. This meeting was an invite to a certain 
commercial enterprise for the general public to which the mention of meditation 
was part of the sales talk, but it would not be ethical to provide actual 
details except to say that a timely vacant parking space in a crowded town was 
considered a benefit of being a Sidha.

 

 

difficult to assess without more info - I heard the same thing back then, only 
it was said in a context of evolution and personal growth, not judgment. Just 
as someone would say, for example, after you graduate from college, you will 
know more about x or y, than you did in high school.  

 There is a comprehensive cleansing of the body machinery through the Sidhis, 
and though I cannot say for those who sleep in the Domes during their programs, 
it does lead to an entirely different style of functioning, with simply more 
available than before. It could be called a 'superior' way of functioning, 
should a personal comparison be made of capabilities available before, and 
after, learning the techniques.
 

 Did you end up taking the TM-Siddhis course?

[FairfieldLife] Re: YF'ing Yogic Flying Evidently is Out

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sounds like a strange sales talk...I would think bringing up superiority in 
that vein, along with "easier parking" as the key benefit, would lead to very 
few takers. But yeah, "the parking space thing" -- must be something to it, as 
it comes up from time to time regarding the siddhis course. I remember noticing 
the phenomenon myself...though no scientific studies attempted.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, prior to that time, I had already taken the TM-Sidhis course when living 
and working in a UK TM Academy. This meeting was an invite to a certain 
commercial enterprise for the general public to which the mention of meditation 
was part of the sales talk, but it would not be ethical to provide actual 
details except to say that a timely vacant parking space in a crowded town was 
considered a benefit of being a Sidha.

 

 

difficult to assess without more info - I heard the same thing back then, only 
it was said in a context of evolution and personal growth, not judgment. Just 
as someone would say, for example, after you graduate from college, you will 
know more about x or y, than you did in high school.  

 There is a comprehensive cleansing of the body machinery through the Sidhis, 
and though I cannot say for those who sleep in the Domes during their programs, 
it does lead to an entirely different style of functioning, with simply more 
available than before. It could be called a 'superior' way of functioning, 
should a personal comparison be made of capabilities available before, and 
after, learning the techniques.
 

 Did you end up taking the TM-Siddhis course?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

If it exists it can be measured, or in what way can it be said to be existing? 

 Yes, good question, but what if, as others have suggested, it is the 
relatively imprecise capability of the measurement devices themselves, that 
leads us to conclude a judgment of no value for various practices? 
 Had someone suggested 300 years ago the idea of the common gigahertz 
communication spectrum, or atomic watches, they would've been seen as insane at 
best. Perhaps if instruments a factor of several trillion times more sensitive 
were employed, bingo, problem solved. 
 

 I do not know if science can actually apprehend something that ultimately 
operates on the level of feeling, though, much less substantiate it. On the 
other hand, the purveyors of such solutions also have a responsibility to 
validate any claims, scientifically, that they are making in the name of 
science. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You misread me. I said nothing against science. I love the fruits of it, as 
you put it. But some things lie beyond the scope of science to measure or 
understand. 
 

 If it exists it can be measured, or in what way can it be said to be existing?
 

 I find it interesting that you seem to think that only scientists can be 
curious. 
 

 Hmmm, there's seems to be some sort of inability to read posts thoroughly 
before replying because I never said anything of the sort. It was you who said 
you didn't care whether the ME could be measured or not, and that sort of 
mystery is what gets me interested.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin's god, Science, is a very poor god indeed.
 

 Oh I don't know, try removing the fruits of science from your life and see how 
far you'd get. What would you be happy not knowing? Maybe you have no 
curiousity and aren't aware that your life would return to dark-age misery very 
quickly. 
 

 No computers for a start. No decent biology. Medicine. Astronomy. Psychology. 
It doesn't appeal to meBut it's not a god, it's a way of working out what 
is from what isn't. God's are usually infallable whereas science is a learning 
process.
 

  I have no doubt that TM creates "action at a distance" because I have 
experienced it myself on a number of occasions. 
 

 But how do you know that what you are experiencing really is "action at a 
distance" and not some form of kiddology or psycho-social effect?
 

 I have no interest in whether science is able to measure it or not. 
 

 Ah, well there you are. I'm ultra curious about everything.
 

 If someone is meditating in my house, it creates a calming effect. Just a few 
months ago, I had a friend here, and unbeknownst to me she was meditating in 
another room. I was noting the unusual feeling of calm I was experiencing, and 
then, some minutes later, discovered that she had been meditating. I trust my 
own experience and do not have to look to science to confirm or deny it. 
 

 If only the plural of anecdote was data!
 

 Science can do great things but it is not the be-all and end-all. 
 

 It'd be a mightily poor world without it. Just like it was before we developed 
it actually, when people had to pray for everything and take their chances when 
they prayers didn't work. We had a long, slow craw away from the age of 
superstition and the fascinating thing for me is that the internet has become a 
way of taking us back there with it's endless pages of superstitious ignorance 
masquerading as valid theory.
 

 One thing is certain, science is the best way we have of telling us when we 
are kidding ourselves. Doesn't it interest you that everyone knows it's 
humanity's gold standard for assessing knowledge which is why everyone has to 
have a "scientifically valid" theory these days, usually quantum justifications 
for this and that nonsense, unified fields etc. If it's so ineffective why do 
they bother?
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, I find it rather humorous that  you appear to consider yourself a 
final authority on what science can or cannot prove.   

 Certainly it's a fair statement to say, "we don't have any scientific basis to 
make such and such a statement", but some of us are not afraid to think a 
little outside that box, and perhaps more importantly not discount what our 
experiences may be, "outside that box"
 

 With regard to brain waves affecting the environment, it appears to me you are 
spinning the discussion, and my comments to arrive a  pre-arranged conclusion  
you are comfortable with.
 

 Perhaps you don't buy into the notion that our thoughts can affect our 
environment, or that a person transcending does not have any effect that 
expands out.
 

 I don't know.  I am speculating that it does.  I can't say 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Someone has to stand up for reality. People like S (snip) are the intended 
recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance."
 
They DO have the chance, and obviously choose not to even attempt such a thing. 
Despite the overheated rhetoric around this singular letter for donations, the 
TMO engages in ZERO targeted marketing towards those they KNOW have taken their 
advanced courses. I have never received a phone call or visit to my home or 
letter in the mail, even an email from them, in order to encourage further 
donations or participation. Been TMing for a long time, and they have always 
appeared very 'broad brush' in their campaigns. No personal hard sell, at all, 
ever. So I am unsure why it is necessary to sound this 'clarion call' over and 
over again, when the only way to donate time or money to the TMO is to actively 
seek them out. Beyond a disagreement with the value of what they are offering, 
what exactly is the problem that such a big deal must be made of it? No arm 
twisting is occurring at all, and never has.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good nuance.  Good comparison.
 

 A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? 
Yep, that's a fine comparison.
 

 I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment.
 

 No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? 
Not even the TMO is claiming that.
 

 Of course they are. 
 

 No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of 
nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are 
claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts.
 

 If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting 
(I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and 
effects what others think and do. That is "the environment".
 

  We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach 
some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in 
the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them 
because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be 
measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If 
radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short 
distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same 
thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt 
outside of the body.
 

 I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what we like. The TMO are trying to make money by 
claiming an actual physical effect. Still, I guess your response answers my 
question about who the letter was aimed at
 

 You're such a curmudgeon.
 

 Why? Someone has to stand up for reality. People like Steve who don't have a 
grounding in science are the intended recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed 
him dry if they get the chance.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All you have to do is read the comments at the bottom of the Youtube video to 
see what people think of it.A sane 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Solution to Terrorism and War Deaths: TM found to reduce them by 70%!

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I tend to agree. Science is not a religion, and should not be treated as one. 
Both love and beauty, for example cannot be explained by western science, nor 
can consciousness, which paradoxically forms the basis for everything. So 
science does a great job of discovering and objectifying natural phenomenon, 
but it clearly has *massive* limitations, the greatest of which is that it 
nullifies the observer. Western science has no skin in the game when it comes 
to commenting on consciousness; it cannot even be found. Better to flat out 
ignore western science in some cases, and evaluate personal experience, 
instead. 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, I find it rather humorous that  you appear to consider yourself a 
final authority on what science can or cannot prove.   

 Certainly it's a fair statement to say, "we don't have any scientific basis to 
make such and such a statement", but some of us are not afraid to think a 
little outside that box, and perhaps more importantly not discount what our 
experiences may be, "outside that box"
 

 With regard to brain waves affecting the environment, it appears to me you are 
spinning the discussion, and my comments to arrive a  pre-arranged conclusion  
you are comfortable with.
 

 Perhaps you don't buy into the notion that our thoughts can affect our 
environment, or that a person transcending does not have any effect that 
expands out.
 

 I don't know.  I am speculating that it does.  I can't say to what extent, and 
I am not defending the Maharishi Effect or saying that it works.
 

 But I remain open to that possibility.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good nuance.  Good comparison.
 

 A Caliphate? So the TMO is a social system grounded in ancient literature? 
Yep, that's a fine comparison.
 

 I maintain that brain waves are real and affect one's environment.
 

 No one would argue that brain waves are real, but affecting the environment? 
Not even the TMO is claiming that.
 

 Of course they are. 
 

 No they aren't! They are claiming that they affect the fundamental level of 
nature not brainwaves, it's their "unified field technology" that they are 
claiming is affecting your brain, not other people's thoughts.
 

 If the brain waves of TM'ers are supposedly more coherent and life supporting 
(I have doubts about that) then the MMY effect comes (supposedly) into play and 
effects what others think and do. That is "the environment".
 

  We can measure electrical activity in brains easily but you have to attach 
some sensitive electrodes directly to the scalp to do it. These signals are in 
the brain, if they could travel outside it would be easy to measure them 
because we already know the frequencies. 
 

 All waves, all activity is energy. All energy has force and it could be 
measured if we had the tools. As long as there is energy there is movement. If 
radio waves and all sorts of micro waves can be emitted and sent long or short 
distances through the atmosphere then brain waves are also doing the same 
thing. Even the beating of ones heart has some ability to be heard and felt 
outside of the body.
 

 I can't help you with your scientific illiteracy. But as your heart can be 
heard outside of your body a lot easier than your brainwaves can then maybe the 
Marshy Effect is caused by the slowing down of people's hearts being heard 
across warzones. Hmm, yes. That makes sense.
 

 But we can't and that isn't what they are claiming, the Marshy Effect is 
supposed to work on some sort of "unified field" that connects all things via 
our consciousness. Convenient that it seems to be an unmeasurable phenomena, or 
am I unreasonable in expecting a physical basis to claims for the physical 
world?
 

 Having an effect on a unified field doesn't mean the force, the energy of the 
brain waves are not somehow hitting outer atmosphere ie being felt outside of 
the brain and body. Sheesh.
 

 Sheesh what? This sentence makes no sense. But it interests me that the TMO 
publicity machine seems to have had it's way in how it relies on people's 
ignorance of physics history and understanding of forces and effects. It's 
their oldest method of working, use a few vaguely familiar sciencey-sounding 
phrases and use them to piggyback their own beliefs and hope you won't be able 
to tell the difference.
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.   
 

 I maintain that any body or an object with mass emits waves of some kind.
 

 Why on Earth would you want to maintain that?
 

 Because he is right, they do.
 

 LOL
 

 Where we go beyond that, I don't know.
 

 And yes, I believe celestial objects fall in to this somewhere.
 

 We are free to believe what 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2016: revival of TM??

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Pretty darned impressive. It is easy enough to exist, but tough to thrive in 
this world without transcending regularly, refreshing oneself. Here's for 50, 
or a 100 thousand TM initiations this year in the US. Looks like Finland is 
catching on, too. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 572 Governors taught TM® this year [North America] through Maharishi 
Foundation to more than 20,000 people in 188 different teaching locations. 
There were an additional several thousand people taught by our Governors 
through the David Lynch Foundation. These are our highest numbers [in years]. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, its seems a cardiopulmonary resuscitation of TM was performed since a 
dangerous and lowdown pulse rate of less than 200 initiations per month at a 
nadir of the teaching of TM in the days of 2006,  whence a Dr. John Hagelin 
from these United States of America was elevated and put in charge of a domain 
of institutional TM to revive the teaching of meditation throughout the TM 
organization. 
 

  It is a heroic story of emergency service against most difficult odds that 
has been performed to save the life and relevance of TM in the world. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 All of a sudden, the intro lectures in Helsinki, Finland  in January 
(tammi-kuu: oak-month[?]),
 are almost fully booked (täyteen varattu). I don't believe anything like
 that has happened for years now! 
 

 Helsinki | Transsendenttinen Meditaatio 
http://transsendenttinen-meditaatio.fi/helsinki/

 
 
 Helsinki | Transsendenttinen Meditaatio 
http://transsendenttinen-meditaatio.fi/helsinki/ Päivämäärä ja aika Aika 
torstai 7 tammikuu , 19:00 19:00 TÄYTEEN VARATTU TÄYTEEN VARATTU ×


 
 View on transsendenttinen-meditaatio.fi 
http://transsendenttinen-meditaatio.fi/helsinki/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the 
background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM 
crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish 
out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence these 
yokels in, and throw away the key. After they get hungry enough, they'll leave. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What else you didn't gather was that the BLM protesters were attacking the 
guys that were video taping their gathering. The protesters chased them and 
threatened them. Not that I condone any shooting but it could be argued that 
they feared for their lives and defended themselves by whatever means they had 
at their disposal.

 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
 
 
   Note:  I got the term "white supremacist" from what was reported and it was 
*in quotes* both in what was reported and what I stated below.  That doesn't 
change the fact that the shootings were reportedly carried out towards the 
group of protesters, not by the protesters. Which is exactly what the video 
states, if you watch it. LOL 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY  
  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY
  
  
  
  
  
 White Supremacists Shoot Black Lives Matter Protestors -... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY

 
 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJrjD5SZZY
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness

 
   Well, I know what you've been reading.  Educate yourself on the principles 
of the movement first.  Second, I am unaware of any BLM protests where those 
protesting are brandishing firearms; most abide by rule of peaceful protests, 
despite the in fact several have been shot by "white supremacists."  Third, 
those protesting *in the name of BLM* who have threatened any kind of violence 
verbally or disrupted scenes beyond what is considered legal have been 
arrested.
 

 Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter 
http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ 
 
 Guiding PrinciplesBlack Lives Matter 
http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ We are unapologetically Black 
in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify 
our position.


 
 View on blacklivesmatter.com http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 OR.. we could tell Black Lives Matter that there are white cops mixed in 
with that group and that they killed a poor unarmed black kid for his skittles 
and cigarillos and let them handle it! Dagnabbit!
 

 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness

 
   (I think I might have posted MD's secret fantasy.) They plan to be there for 
YEARS, MD, there is still time to join the ranks!  I mean, really—who does the 
federal government think they're kidding trying to take our land away in the 
name of a "wildlife refuge?" Our cows is all the wildlife we need to be 
refuging!  We're followin' the Constitution the way we see fit.  We don't care 
what the Supreme Court says.  Dang government!  And, for the record, we don't 
need no damn government tellin' us where we can and can't carry our guns 
neither.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, they could put Janet Reno in charge and she could send in tanks and burn 
them out.Got to nip that *white privilege* in the bud! 
 

 


 From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 7:47 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness

 
   My inner cynic says nothing will happen at all because the offenders aren't 
black and unarmed. The fact that they took over a Federal facility makes me 
think the Feds will likely do more than just back off like they did at the 
stand-off at the Bundy ranch. It will be very interesting to see how the 
situation is handled.

As for humorous commentary, I like what Andy Borowitz posted on Facebook last 
night: OK, by now I've heard a lot of great names for the Oregon gang: 
"y'all-qaeda," "yee-hawdists," "yokel haram." But I think my favorite is 
"fucking idiots."
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I wonder how this is going to turn out.  
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guy Is Certifiable

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Not crazy, typical. This type of language is common in the corporate world 
where The Donald lives. Corporations are full of those who fantasize sex and 
violence into business transactions. I recall a 'tech wizard' once saying he 
would, "bring the system to its knees". Bravado, and macho attitudes borne 
largely, imo, from too much coffee, sterile work environments, and the win at 
all costs mentality of many sales organizations.  

 So, Trump uses the over the top, very dramatic "buzz-word" language and 
mentality of corporate sales; framing the problem on his own terms, and winning 
it. One size fits all. Once he is seen as a sales guy, his approach becomes 
pretty formulaic. He is a damned good salesman, though, and most people don't 
see what he is doing.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Grump is nuts. I told you all he wants to do is win, to trumpet his greatness 
from his pinnacle atop the fallen bodies of his adversaries. Please, if nothing 
else, can you meditators put your attention on silencing this buffoon once and 
for all?
 

 
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-2016-race-it-s-war-n488061
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-2016-race-it-s-war-n488061

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I 
find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct 
him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white 
racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a black woman for a 
change) for President, only this time, two black parents, and that beautiful 
dark, dark skin and full lips. I hope whomever it is, they give you a big bear 
hug, a wet kiss on the cheek, and knock that silly pillow case off your pointed 
little head.  

 Merry Christmas to you, and in the TRUE spirit of Jesus Christ, May God Bless 
Barack Hussein Obama!!! 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Someone's "principle political view" is irrelevant if their personhood stinks.
 
 That is what shills like Oprah claimed about “The One”. Only he was not 
presented as a “stinking personhood” but rather as a unifying saint. 
  
 This is why Em’ likes him … wondrous Barack Osama, the great divider. He is 
the epitomee of the political liar – promising to unite all while following the 
plan of Saul Alinsky (Radical Marxist/Apostate Jew): 
  
 “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first 
radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where 
mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical 
known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively 
that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.” 
  
 “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to 
what they believe it should be. The Prince 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince was written by Machiavelli 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli for the Haves on how to 
hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it 
away."
  Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky
  
 Chanukistani proly double votes … both Canadian and US elections. What do you 
expect from a dual? Em’ proly votes for whomever sounds most neo-Marxist. 
  
 I say - hypocrite swine … give up your possessions and give it all away. 
Problem is the swine only want to give away other people’s rights and 
possessions. 
  
 Don’t worry though - Hillary will show them! 
 After all, she’s a self-professed lover of Alinsky too. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't consider Mr. Trump to be qualified as President, however this article 
lays out plainly the sleazy hatchet job that many establishment news outlets 
are giving him. He is a businessman, and the object in business is to win. That 
is his skill. I also appreciate that no one owns him. 

 I like a fair fight. If he is so horrible, then beat him by providing 
thoughtful alternatives. Putting words in his mouth just makes those who do it 
look weak, and lacking in integrity.
 

 It is telling that the political class has lied to the masses for so long, 
always promising to fix the same broken stuff, that it has given someone with 
no formal political background the ability to not only enter the Presidential 
race, but blow away the competition as if they don't exist. 
 

 I for one am enjoying watching the empty suits squirm around Trump, though he 
will not get my vote. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Although I like some of his assertions, I don't yet know what his principles 
are. How can we elect someone without knowing their principle political view?

 Salon
 Monday, Dec 21, 2015 3:27 PM UTC 
 The media needs to stop telling this lie about Donald Trump. I’m a Sanders 
supporter — and value honesty 
 Trump's words on Mexicans have been misconstrued by all sides. This liberal, 
Puerto Rican professor says enough 
 Alberto A. Martinez http://www.salon.com/?post_type=writer=14290300 
 

 It’s time to start cleaning up the mess of misinterpretations about Donald 
Trump.
 Back in June, I first saw Mr. Trump announcing his candidacy for president. 
What he said about unauthorized immigrants seemed ridiculous so I laughed. I 
showed the video to friends, and I laughed again. His words were poorly chosen.
 

 But something worse happened. People interpreted Trump’s words in the most 
awful and offensive ways.
 

 In one of my courses, at the University of Texas at Austin, I asked my 
students: “What has Donald Trump said that you found most offensive?” One 
student raised her hand high: “He said that all Mexicans are rapists.” I asked 
a coworker the same question. He replied: “He said that all Mexican immigrants 
are rapists.”
 

 I explained that Trump said no such thing. This is what Trump said:
 “When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our 
stupidity. […] When Mexico sends its people they’re not sending their best. 
They’re not sending you; they’re not sending you. They’re sending people that 
have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re 
bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, 
are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re 
getting.”
 

 You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He 
did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators 
did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good 
people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that 
Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s 
not what Trump claimed.
 

 Similarly, other news sources misrepresented his words in offensive ways:
 The New York Times 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-the-moral-minority.html?_r=0:
 “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
 Time http://time.com/4050914/1965-immigration-act-pew/ Magazine: “Trump’s 
comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
 Associated Press 
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8fb9556f269e49e7818981f457a0f592/ap-gfk-poll-republicans-view-donald-trump-most-electable:
 “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
 CBS News 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/:
 “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
 L.A. Times: 
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-donald-trump-saturday-night-live-host-20151026-story.html
 “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
 Fortune http://fortune.com/2015/10/31/donald-trump-hosting-snl-u-s-politics/: 
“in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
 Hollywood Reporter 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-talks-nbc-univision-837940:
 “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
 Huffington Post 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b:
 “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
 The Washington Post 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-not-chaos-its-trumps-campaign-strategy/2015/12/09/9005a5be-9d68-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html:
 “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”
 

 Compare such words with Trump’s words. Which is worse? Writers excerpted the 
phrase: “they’re rapists,” as if it were about all 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were 
all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the 
industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of 
deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little of it has 
benefited the country as a whole. In fact one of the major effects of 
deregulation has been the wholesale destruction of the unions, and any upward 
pressure on wages.  

 Say what you will about unions, but they are the only mechanism the little guy 
has, for increasing that paycheck. Without them, profits do not get reinvested 
in companies. Instead, CEOs in their blind quest to become ever richer, use 
them for stock buybacks, artificially boosting the company's equity and earning 
themselves fat bonuses, again. 
 

 No one in the US is advocating socialism, nor are Obama and Clinton "lefties". 
The idea is laughable. Clinton's NAFTA deal and others were largely responsible 
for knocking down trade barriers, and sending millions of jobs overseas. 
 

 I resent this idea started by the B actor Reagan that the Federal Government 
is too big and corrupt to get anything done, including the management of social 
programs. It is poisonous thinking, and very anti-social for the country as a 
whole. Like it or not, the government is ours and we own it. That puppet 
Reagan's stunted and dark thinking has become some sort of mantra for the 
Republicans seems to me astonishingly unpatriotic. Too often it is now used as 
an excuse for the rich to deny their obligation to help this country, vs. 
seeing it simply as another economic market for further plunder.
 

 So, now that we have an economy largely composed of massive multinational 
corporations, what is wrong with providing a safety net for those who for 
whatever reason, fall outside the needs of the corporate interests that govern 
us? This is not a cry for socialism, it is simply a fair thing to do, given the 
way our system works. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Raul Castro? Is this some kind of straw man argument? Your entire Democratic 
party is advocating socialism without using the word. Bernzie being the 
exception. They all want the same thing, total government control by taxation 
or regulation.
 Obama and Clinton are only centrists from a Bernzie Sander's point of view.
 You're not in favor of *handouts* but we don't hand out enough. Right!

 Quite frankly, it's cheaper to do business over seas than the US due to 
government regulation, taxation and union demands, more Democratic meddling.

 

 


 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media
 
 
   "the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of 
Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted 
on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days 
without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because 
*they don't exist*. 
 

 Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his 
skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our 
previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in 
the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no 
mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the 
street when the market crashed.
 

 I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, 
and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of 
some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way 
of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, 
military programs, or corporate welfare. 
 

 The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly 
for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our 
economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist 
nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is 
quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us 
further into China's hands. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a 
person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist 
and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has 
dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to 
believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to 
absolve yourself by leveling such a 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Trumpies hate the Media

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of 
Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted 
on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days 
without a name from you, even down to the level of city dogcatcher, because 
*they don't exist*.  

 Obama is a centrist, like Clinton was. The only difference is the color of his 
skin. His concern over the demise of social programs is well founded, when our 
previous President advocated the destruction of Social Security. "Put it all in 
the stock market", he and his cronies said, and he would have, but he had no 
mandate from Congress. A good thing, as we would have had millions in the 
street when the market crashed.
 

 I am not in favor of handouts, but the current Republican domestic philosophy, 
and tax policy, seems to be, "I got mine, screw you", justified on the basis of 
some waste and corruption wrt social services programs. A very cold-hearted way 
of thinking, and obviously biased when no such scrutiny is applied to say, 
military programs, or corporate welfare. 
 

 The Republicans scream about losing American jobs, while advocating constantly 
for ways to ship jobs overseas. It is ironic that the only thing keeping our 
economy afloat are all the cheap products from China, the Far Left, Communist 
nation, on which our continued prosperity depends. Calling Obama "far left" is 
quite funny from that perspective, as it is the Republicans who are driving us 
further into China's hands. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ollie, you make an awful lot of assumptions here. You assume that, because a 
person in congress opposes the policies of the *far left*, that they are racist 
and that they oppose those policies because the person implementing them has 
dark skin. How simple minded can you get? If you are white, I would have to 
believe that you are seriously suffering from *white guilt* and trying to 
absolve yourself by leveling such a charge.Next year, the excuses will be that 
we need a *woman* to lead the country and if elected and she faces any 
resistance, it will be because she's female in a patriarchal society. This is 
meant to appeal to the base instincts of the *low information* voter, an appeal 
to the emotions of the ignorant. 

  Damn the fact that these very policies have driven poverty higher than ever, 
that black unemployment levels are the highest in decades, more people are on 
government assistance than ever. Damn the fact that our current president has 
more than doubled the national debt of all other presidents before him with 
nothing to show for it, that we owe much of that debt to China. That money 
generating businesses are leaving our country in droves.

 Damn the fact that he threw hard fought, won and costly victories back to our 
enemies that has embolden them, That our once stable allies don't trust the 
word of our leaders. That once dangerous terrorists that had been locked up 
have been returned to the battle field to continue killing again.
  Damn the fact that he opens our borders to whoever wants to come here, 
without due process, driving down wages for our own citizens, while subsidizing 
the substandard wages of the * illegal immigrants* with government social 
program hand outs that cost all other tax payers.
  Damn the fact that because of him,  the people have put more Republicans in 
office than any time since the end of the civil war with nothing to show for it 
because they fear being labeled *racist* and give him just about anything he 
wants including another trillion dollar plus budget this year.
  Ollie, you have got to be kidding me! You are one of these low information 
voters that have drunk the Kool-aide. Of course, any one with a brain can 
figure out that the purpose of these policies is to bring about a complete 
collapse of the current social and economic system in place and replacing it 
with the purest form of socialism which will not redistribute wealth but 
redistribute poverty and suffering. Be careful of what you wish for. The 
*right* is armed and dangerous and will only tolerate so much of the left's 
shenanigans.

 

 This is exactly the mindset, the one that you voice here, that scares the 
bejeebers out of me, Mike. Add that to the fact that you claim those "on the 
right" are "armed and dangerous" isn't lessening this feeling I have. That's 
all America needs, is a bunch of Kool Aid drunk right wingers emerging from 
their villages with flaming torches, pitchforks and no teeth (thanks to 
unaffordable health and dental) and screaming for banishment of those seeking 
asylum in the US and to rid the country of "socialistic" programs. You live in 
a dreamworld, Mike. Not one thing you say here is, I believe, true but it sure 
gives me a glimpse into one mindset present day US residents have 

[FairfieldLife] Re: YF'ing Yogic Flying Evidently is Out

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

difficult to assess without more info - I heard the same thing back then, only 
it was said in a context of evolution and personal growth, not judgment. Just 
as someone would say, for example, after you graduate from college, you will 
know more about x or y, than you did in high school.  

 There is a comprehensive cleansing of the body machinery through the Sidhis, 
and though I cannot say for those who sleep in the Domes during their programs, 
it does lead to an entirely different style of functioning, with simply more 
available than before. It could be called a 'superior' way of functioning, 
should a personal comparison be made of capabilities available before, and 
after, learning the techniques.
 

 Did you end up taking the TM-Siddhis course?
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks for this.

  
 I remember attending a meeting in the ‘80s by a couple who were among the 
first ‘flyers’ in the UK, who announced that a Sidha was a ‘superior being’, as 
in a ‘superior being’ to others. The reaction in the room from those more of my 
age group was one of disbelief that people could even think such a thing, never 
mind say such a thing to others to their faces. 
  
 Feeling fortunate is surely to be nurtured, but in my opinion, anything 
engendering a feeling of superiority is to be avoided at all costs. If humility 
is a characteristic of spirituality, then perhaps, in certain areas, it does 
not transition well through cultural exchange. Presumably, one who is no longer 
‘the actor ‘but ‘the observer’, cannot rightly claim anything for himself. 
  
 I hope, in all the excitement and energy at the helm of power, the pillar that 
leads the concourse is the meditator from ‘the meditating community’.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is Eggzactly why Trump will be elected

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Republican leadership blew it Big Time with their obstructionist stance, 
demonstrated by not even considering a Supreme Court nominee from "the Black 
President", and, "We'll just wait for the election, nearly a year away".
 

 Ha. It blew up in their faces like a cartoon firecracker. Made them look like 
a bunch of out of touch, overpaid dupes. Also helped usher in Trump, as he 
positions himself as Mr. Change, and these off-base attempts at pushing a 
radical right-wing and racist agenda in the Congress have sent their rating 
plummeting. Even the Koch brothers have drastically cut back on funding the 
politicians they have purchased.
 

 This was a serious miscalculation from the Republican power elite, and they 
know it. As for the 'ideological' argument, sure, that exists, but Mitch and 
his pillowcase buddies show their hand by the radical extent to which they take 
their attempts to block the President, as evidenced by this latest circus over 
*the current Supreme Court vacancy*, willing to let it languish, holding up the 
most important judicial decisions made for this country, over some melanin. Wow.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh c'mon Ollie, Everyone knows the Democrats were the party of the Ku Klux 
Klan, Jim Crow and segregation. They were the party of William Fulbright, 
Robert Byrd, Al Gore sr., George Wallace, Lester Maddox etc. Most people don't 
know that more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights legislation than 
Democrats, that it would not have passed without those Republican votes 

 Lincoln, who freed the slaves and gave them full citizenship, was a 
Republican, not a Democrat. President Eisenhower , who was a Republican, sent 
in federal troops to integrate Little Rock schools. 

 C'mon Ollie, you know McConnell and the Republican party opposes Obama 
ideologically, not racially.



 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is Eggzactly why Trump will be elected
 
 
   LOL - Then Mitch and his buddies should have removed the pointy pillowcases 
from their heads, and acted like true representatives of this country, instead 
of racist goons afraid to trust a black man. They continue to obstruct the 
legitimate operation of the Federal government, and you want to blame Clinton, 
if she gets in? That's a new one.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If Hillary is elected, she'll appoint Supreme Court judges that will redefine 
the Second Amendment of the Constitution that allows the people to be armed. We 
could end up totally disarmed at some point, and  at the mercy of thugs, as 
they are in Europe. Maharishi used to say, "if your neighbor can't be quiet out 
of love and respect, let him be quiet out  of fear."First Symposium on the 
Science of Creative Intelligence, Amherst Massachusetts, 1971.  However, the 
context was in relationship to Nuclear arms and nations, but works on an 
individual level as well.

 
 


 From: "hepa7@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 6:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is Eggzactly why Trump will be elected

 
   
 Vote for Trump to avoid e.g. this?
 

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