[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-22 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: To Be Free

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Last summer I reflected back on how perfectly engineered my life appeared to be such

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though meaningful perhaps via some other understandings or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread Vaj
On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread matrixmonitor
--Thanks, I'll get back to you in about 2 hrs to copy more of the article. The idea that scientific inquiry could have a bearing on free will is a new twist to me, since I thought it was solely a philosophical question. OTOH, Einstein and others were fascinated by the question raised by Bishop

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I'm also planning on presenting some summaries of other recent articles, from New Scientist and Scientific American; that tend to support a basis for a New, New, Physics as opposed to the New Physics propounded

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread matrixmonitor
--(below, can I refute the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field theory?). I don't have to refute what's self-evident baloney!. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: [...] I'm also

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summaries.

2006-06-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kochen and Conway stress that their theorem doesn't disprove 't Hooft's theory. It simply states that if his theory is true, our actions cannot be free. And they admit that there's no way for us to tell. Our

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summaries.

2006-06-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the first part of the article, and then underneath, selected quotes and summaries of the main points: [brackets, mine]. Meant to say, many thanks for posting this! Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Tom T The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, dwarfing the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it - rest of article, quotes and summar

2006-06-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
It is the only question worth thinking about. High five for posting this! What the mathematicians proved is this: if you have the slightest freedom to choose the axes [in the representative experiment involving the spin of a particle] and order of measurement, then particles everywhere must also

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --(below, can I refute the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra Unified Field theory?). I don't have to refute what's self-evident baloney!. [...] And its not a field that is considered the Unmanifest but The Unified Field.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, dwarfing the ego's flailing as Chomolungma dwarfs a pebble. Godspeed! You have outdone yourself! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread matrixmonitor
---Forgot to paste in the paragraph. Here it is: Free will - you only think you have it 04 May 2006 Zeeya Merali Magazine issue 2550 Underneath the uncertainty of quantum mechanics could lie a deeper reality in which, shockingly, all our actions are predetermined WE MUST believe in free

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Interesting, I would like to read the rest. Can you help me with the mind body question? In Essence, Buddhist is Naturalist but not necessarily materialist; but Buddhists are not inclined to separate mind from matter. Do they think of it like the traditions that posit a mental body? --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread matrixmonitor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues . Can you help me with the mind body question? In Essence, Buddhist is Naturalist but not necessarily materialist; but Buddhists are not inclined to separate mind from matter. Do they think of it like the traditions that posit a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks man, that was really interesting. or, if one refers to the Judaic Hebrew texts (Ec: 9:5), the Soul IS the body, since when you're dead, you're in the grave, eaten by worms So now I'm Jewish above the waist too! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I left the article at home and forgot my password, so I can only copy what's in the Newscientist website: the first paragraph. I sure would love it if you could copy in more when you have access to the article