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--- wrote: > > As per yoga-suutras, when one "reaches" enlightenment > (kaivalya), the guNa-s become > > puruSaartha-shuunya. AFAIK, there's no force or power in > the universe that could reverse that process... I think you nailed it Cardeboy. It's like asking a man to go back into his m

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parate at all. > > > > > > And would it not be wonderful if these concepts were not merely allegorical > > but also quite literal, mean physical. > > > > > > ________ > > From: iranitea > > To: FairfieldLife@y

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t; To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:13 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world > > > >   > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Robin could have been i

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cardemaister wrote: > As per yoga-suutras, when one "reaches" enlightenment (kaivalya), > the guNa-s become > > puruSaartha-shuunya. AFAIK, there's no force or power in the > universe that could reverse that process... That's the standard belief, yes. Maybe it's not correct? --- In Fairf

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Yeah the whole deal with "Unity" SOC, is that it is still in terms of me. *I* see the world in terms of myself. *I* see and experience oneness in the world. But it is an intermediate step, and was never meant to seem permanent. By associating in Unity with everything experienced, eventually that

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> > > > --- "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > Robin claims enlightenment *in the past*, decades ago. > > > > > > > --- iranitea wrote: > > > Enlightenment is always *in the present*, never in the past. > > > > --- "authfriend" wrote: > > Robin does not claim to be enlightened in the present.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > Robin claims enlightenment *in the past*, decades ago. > > Enlightenment is always *in the present*, never in the past. Robin does not claim to be enlightened in the prese

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > " > > Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way > trip. You discover who you are and that's it. > > > One way trip to where? > > What is this "you discover you are and that's it"? > Sorry for the late reply, Ravi. It's a one-way trip to silen

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rsday, August 22, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their > conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of

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: How the deluded see the world   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their > conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, > chasing other white rats. >

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also quite literal, mean physical. From: iranitea To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > Robin claims enlightenment *in the past*, decades ago. Enlightenment is always *in the present*, never in the past.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Robin could have been in Unity consciousness, where similarity > > predominates, over differences. But that SOC is still relative to one's > > singular identity.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Robin could have been in Unity consciousness, where similarity predominates, > over differences. But that SOC is still relative to one's singular identity. > The identity must shift to a less localized state to grow beyond the

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What is this stubbornness emptybill? You are saying you will use the experiences of someone, the context, the narrative of someone from thousands of years ago as the yardstick for someone who has mystical experiences now - in this modern age? Do you think Advaita Vedanta is an actual insight into

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" ​ Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. ​" ​ One way trip to where? What is this "you discover you are and that's it"? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jason wrote: > ** > > > > > --- "emilymae.reyn" wrote: > > > > Re: "Yo

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Yes dear I spent all my evening playing the Barry Wright delusional belief puzzle game, it was intricate, challenging and lot of fun - not sure how you manages to do it blind-folded - is it? Oh well. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:32 PM, obbajeeba wrote: > ** > > > Ravi, you can take your time with

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Robin could have been in Unity consciousness, where similarity predominates, over differences. But that SOC is still relative to one's singular identity. The identity must shift to a less localized state to grow beyond the Unity SOC. The core fear of duality is still present in the Unity SOC, al

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > Those claiming "enlightenment" should be able to offer > comparative proof based upon something other than their own > subjectivity or "my guru/former guru sez". Robin claims enlightenment *in the past*, decades ago. He might have been

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

An excellent summary from Sam Harris. Thanks. What I like about Sam is that he modifies his views on the basis of evidence. For example, on a follow-up link on the article you posted he discusses psychedelics and says : "Unfortunately, Huxley was operating under the erroneous assumption that psyche

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Those claiming "enlightenment" should be able to offer comparative proof based upon something other than their own subjectivity or "my guru/former guru sez". However, not only Robin but you also seem willfully uninformed about the subject as described by the texts of traditional advaita. Thus you

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their > conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, > chasing other white rats. > > A few moments of their own mental peace might turn t

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Obba - isn't it great being a woman in or near her 50's? See ya... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > Emily, a beautiful re-amp. > I am not sure which take I like better, although just the fact you could see > another side, may mean the pang is clearly, enlightenment. >

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Emily, a beautiful re-amp. I am not sure which take I like better, although just the fact you could see another side, may mean the pang is clearly, enlightenment. If you can bring me a Milky Way :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn" wrote: > > Jason, I concede to ignoran

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Jason, I concede to ignorance on the matter of "enlightenment." Now, "an enlightenment experience" is something else altogether in my mind. My conscience had a pang (I'd like to call it a moment of enlightenment) on my drive towards the ocean today (my life is like a milk run - I have so many

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Ravi, you can take your time with the Pong style Barry Wright puzzle video game. The sound would be hard to hear with the wonderful bass recording going on, at the moment. I have to be quiet right now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > Printed a copy and have my black S

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > > Yep, went back and read posts 312097 and 299555. > > I pointed out to the "Muni of Monte Cassino" (a number of times) > that none of the descriptions of his purported "Unity Consciousness" > conform to Shankara's explanations - whether

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Printed a copy and have my black Sharpie in hand. I can almost do this blindfolded, except don't want to mark up the teak by accident. Cause if I do that, then I may have to pull out 600 grit sand paper. To clean up the Barry Wright for fun game/puzzle. If the sanded varnish transfers to the nearby

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Yep, went back and read posts 312097 and 299555. I pointed out to the "Muni of Monte Cassino" (a number of times) that none of the descriptions of his purported "Unity Consciousness" conform to Shankara's explanations - whether in the BrahmaSutraBhasya, UpanishadBhasya or BhagavadGitaBhasya. Suc

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(-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > This a

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There > have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to > the question of "Which comes first, perception or belief?," the answer > is pretty much *

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Well then his bravery has taken on a whole new dimension for me. Meaning that he has been chosen to be a whistle blower, bound to attract severe opposition, while at the same time having a personality aspect which also might draw severe opposition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfri

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--- "emilymae.reyn" wrote: > > Re: "You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience." > > Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate > "reality" by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - > even I, with enlightenment experience

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Here's a little game/puzzle, the ​ ​ first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. ​ I​ dentify ​ ​ the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief ​ ​ (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize Identify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example)

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13 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world   livescience.com might want to change it's name to pretentiousscience.com or fascistscience.com.  They obviously have an agenda and it's not science but the herd people into being "good, non-com

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > I bet sleep deprivation is only one of the ordeals that > Bradley Manning suffered. No wonder he wants to change > his name. It's a miracle that he's still functional. He wants to change not just his name but his gender. He won't be able

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livescience.com might want to change it's name to pretentiousscience.com or fascistscience.com. They obviously have an agenda and it's not science but the herd people into being "good, non-complaining consumers." The conspiracy thing caught my eye and in their context instead of being about p

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Merundanda, you are one funny being. haha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > Delusional people make better lovers? > > [data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAICAgICAQICAgID\ > AgIDAwYEA

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn" wrote: > > Re: "You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience." > > Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers > it the accurate "reality" by which life is lived. You should > be able to pick up on this - even I,

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Some times, what some can say about other people having delusions and just who is delusional, or was delusional, sometimes the audience can build on that speculation and increase so much as to support the very delusional they are condemning. The mere fact of attention to prove or not, that what is

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Re: "You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience." Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate "reality" by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LS

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > Delusional people make better lovers? [data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAICAgICAQICAgID\ AgIDAwYEAwMDAwcFBQQGCAcJCAgHCAgJCg0LCQoMCggICw8LDA0ODg8OCQsQERAOEQ0ODg4B\ AgMDAwMDBwQEBw4JCAkODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg

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> > > > > > --- turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was > > > > in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when > > > > trying to blame all of this on "intelligences and forces beyond his own > > > > control a

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Jason, what I've been reading for quite some time now, is that it is possible to activate new neural pathways simply by doing a new behavior. Yes, the neural pathway associated with the old behavior is like a deeper rut in the road, therefore easier to follow, but the new pathway can be strength

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--- turquoiseb wrote: > > This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not > even new. There have been similar studies in the past that > proved that when it comes to the question of "Which comes > first, perception or belief?," the answer is pretty much > *always* "Belief." > >

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. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world   This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" wrote: > > > > --- turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was > > > in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when > > > trying to blame all of this on "intelligences an

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There > have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to > the question of "Which comes first, perception or belief?," the answer > is pretty much

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Delusional people make better lovers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYck2B_0-DI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lo6k-fbnv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4hYALLCRk

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I think Voldemort is flirting with you. Seriously, he knows that you will uncover his obvious falsehoods, and it is his coy way of saying, "Play with me, Judy. I can always count on attention from you - tee hee". He plants his seeds; Robin, Maharishi, TB's, etc. and then waits, slightly fluste

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

I re-read the whole piece - pretty interesting, really. Jason, did you read the link to the larger post? If you are commenting on the snips - in this case - you are missing the "reality". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" wrote: > > > > > > > --- turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > Uh

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> > --- turquoiseb wrote: > > > Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was > > in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when > > trying to blame all of this on "intelligences and forces beyond his own > > control and understanding." > > > >

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, > because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on > this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) > they've all seen it, too. "How many have had this experi

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was > in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when > trying to blame all of this on "intelligences and forces beyond his own > control and underst

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Hey Big V, what happened to all that "solitude" on your "vacation"? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There > have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to > the question of "Whi

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, chasing other white rats. A few moments of their own mental peace might turn their attention away from always studying undeveloped minds. It as if scienc

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > cf. http://tinyurl.c

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of "Which comes first, perception or belief?," the answer is pretty much *always* "Belief." That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c > > > > > > :-) > > > > We still n

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c It's okay Barry, are you seeing dots in the form of Robin in every post you read now? Go back to the garden, find that recliner, close your eyes and just imagine iranitea su

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c > > > > > > :-) > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c > > > > :-) > > We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? We already have yours, iranitea, from bac

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c Oh, this is relevant, a book Robin wrote in 1982 when he was, *by his own admission*, delusional. Gosh, Barry, you sure are sharp as a tack. I guess that's what obsession does

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c > > > > > > :-) > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c > > > > :-) > > We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? Yes, I think one of the more arti

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c > > :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > Delusional People See the World Thro

[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....

cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye > > A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is > revealed in a new study. > > Having delus

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