[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine, Venezuela and Across the Globe: Mystical Activism?
Jesus, Huffpo will print any old crap. The Princeton consciousness research was abandoned because they couldn't show a result over the random background noise of world events after many years of trying. It only survives now through private donations. It's the old coin toss delusion, you get a positive result, say five heads in a row, and think you have found a non-random pattern obviously caused by the fact there was someone meditating in a nearby city. Do it enough times however and you find that it was just a blip that happens all the time anyway, do it enough and it ends up 50/50. I wrote to them asking whether they had registered any unusual activity during the Dubrovnik peace project and a few other big courses I took part in around the time of 9/11 and the war in Iraq. They said no, but they were fascinated that there were other groups interested in this stuff. You can be as fascinated as you like but their own research disproved the Marshy effect and here they are joining hands! So I dispute the idea there is a lot of research behind it, the only other one the TMO have is the Washington study which kind of relies on them knowing what the crime rate was going to be and then saying they reduced it. A quick glance at crime figures for that city (and any others) reveals that crime rates fluctuate by that much anyway over the year. Keep tossing the coin and you see that the ME has done jack shit, how many courses have I been on that were supposedly being monitored but the results never got released? Plenty. Nuff said, this excitement over a political upheaval is more arrows drawn round targets. I'd be more impressed if the crime rate dropped to an unambiguous zero, or revolutions were carried out without petrol bombs and people getting shot in the head. Is it peace or isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-devaney/ukraine-venezuela-global-_b_4833791.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-devaney/ukraine-venezuela-global-_b_4833791.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine, Venezuela and Across the Globe: Mystical Activism?
Again to the Movement's credit they are not officially taking credit for the Ukraine situation which they can't really do officially because of the parameters they have established for seeing ME results which DO NOT include violence and deaths - the REDUCTION of such things are what the Movement looks for although very stupid TB'ers say OH, I bet there would have been MORE deaths if we had not been a-flyin' all these years. My understanding is that the hard core TB'ers make up all kinds of crap about the Marshy Effect. The best one I have heard of yet I was told about just the other day. Apparently last summer or two there was drought in Iowa and the TB'ers were claiming SuperRadiance was responsible because it was burning up the GMO crops. Then when the rains came as they usually do at the end of the summer the Movement claimed credit for it by having done a rain yagya. Looks like they could have done a rain yagya in the middle of the summer to bring rain then. There is no telling what manifestation group psychosis will bring forth. On Tue, 2/25/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine, Venezuela and Across the Globe: Mystical Activism? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014, 11:42 AM Jesus, Huffpo will print any old crap. The Princeton consciousness research was abandoned because they couldn't show a result over the random background noise of world events after many years of trying. It only survives now through private donations. It's the old coin toss delusion, you get a positive result, say five heads in a row, and think you have found a non-random pattern obviously caused by the fact there was someone meditating in a nearby city. Do it enough times however and you find that it was just a blip that happens all the time anyway, do it enough and it ends up 50/50. I wrote to them asking whether they had registered any unusual activity during the Dubrovnik peace project and a few other big courses I took part in around the time of 9/11 and the war in Iraq. They said no, but they were fascinated that there were other groups interested in this stuff. You can be as fascinated as you like but their own research disproved the Marshy effect and here they are joining hands! So I dispute the idea there is a lot of research behind it, the only other one the TMO have is the Washington study which kind of relies on them knowing what the crime rate was going to be and then saying they reduced it. A quick glance at crime figures for that city (and any others) reveals that crime rates fluctuate by that much anyway over the year. Keep tossing the coin and you see that the ME has done jack shit, how many courses have I been on that were supposedly being monitored but the results never got released? Plenty. Nuff said, this excitement over a political upheaval is more arrows drawn round targets. I'd be more impressed if the crime rate dropped to an unambiguous zero, or revolutions were carried out without petrol bombs and people getting shot in the head. Is it peace or isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-devaney/ukraine-venezuela-global-_b_4833791.html
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On 2/25/2014 6:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: very stupid TB'ers say OH, I bet there would have been MORE deaths if we had not been a-flyin' all these years. It's really a no-brainer; most people believe that peaceful individuals will radiate peace throughout their surroundings. This is proved every day by large populations all over the world. This belief is based on the good-vibration principle: peace in the individual radiates peace to everyone else. This is obviously true for almost anyone with a brain. A guy sitting peacefully with his eyes closed meditating, thinking, or having no thoughts, is a more peaceful individual than a suicide bomber on a dirt bike speeding toward a public market. So, the problem is not with the ME - the problem is with the lack of a consciousness-based education.
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most people? What we are talking about is a group of people in a closed room affecting other minds at a distance by some sort of spooky radiance effect. Bit different than someone being say, angry and annoying people at work but suddenly finding yoga and being more happy and thus improving the atmosphere. No spookiness required for that as most people would indeed understand but the ME? No chance, it's a category error old chap and you know it. Two completely different orders of things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/25/2014 6:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: very stupid TB'ers say OH, I bet there would have been MORE deaths if we had not been a-flyin' all these years. It's really a no-brainer; most people believe that peaceful individuals will radiate peace throughout their surroundings. This is proved every day by large populations all over the world. This belief is based on the good-vibration principle: peace in the individual radiates peace to everyone else. This is obviously true for almost anyone with a brain. A guy sitting peacefully with his eyes closed meditating, thinking, or having no thoughts, is a more peaceful individual than a suicide bomber on a dirt bike speeding toward a public market. So, the problem is not with the ME - the problem is with the lack of a consciousness-based education.
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And by spooky I mean that it's outside what is understood to be possible in physics, not to mention biology, and psychology. To accept it you have to be prepared to throw out most of what we know about everything for the sake of, what? A few hopeful events cherry picked from the chaos of the last 13 years, and at a time when the world was supposed to be being healed by yagyas. I have yet to see any evidence that it works nor hear an explanation of how it might work. Positivity radiating through the collective consciousness isn't an explanation of anything, it raises far more questions than it answers which is the very hallmark of a poor theory. Give us an unequivocal demonstration instead of half-baked and cherry-picked proofs laden with qualifiers like The extra violence must be due to unstressing that render it untestable. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: most people? What we are talking about is a group of people in a closed room affecting other minds at a distance by some sort of spooky radiance effect. Bit different than someone being say, angry and annoying people at work but suddenly finding yoga and being more happy and thus improving the atmosphere. No spookiness required for that as most people would indeed understand but the ME? No chance, it's a category error old chap and you know it. Two completely different orders of things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/25/2014 6:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: very stupid TB'ers say OH, I bet there would have been MORE deaths if we had not been a-flyin' all these years. It's really a no-brainer; most people believe that peaceful individuals will radiate peace throughout their surroundings. This is proved every day by large populations all over the world. This belief is based on the good-vibration principle: peace in the individual radiates peace to everyone else. This is obviously true for almost anyone with a brain. A guy sitting peacefully with his eyes closed meditating, thinking, or having no thoughts, is a more peaceful individual than a suicide bomber on a dirt bike speeding toward a public market. So, the problem is not with the ME - the problem is with the lack of a consciousness-based education.
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On 2/25/2014 6:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: There is no telling what manifestation group psychosis will bring forth. Just look at the settled science of global warming or GMO crops to see some manifestations of group psychosis coming forth. Next you'll be saying it's getting so cold up there because the earth is getting so warm. Go figure.
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Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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turq, short answer: I believe Mary existed as a real person. Long answer: having been raised Catholic, I find the Mary topic fascinating. And worth questioning if only to benefit the psychological health of girls who wonder if they too will be able to become mothers while remaining virgins. As if one would want to! Anyway, from various readings I've gleaned that there's way more to the story than the Catholic Church is willing to admit. For me, what's important is to question the implied demonization of sexuality. And I admit I bet that demonization was originally done by some early Christian man! Go figure! On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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All that we actually know is, if Jesus was an actual person, then he had a mother. There are no contemporary references to Jesus. The earliest writings that mention him are the letters of Paul, which are thought to have been written about 50 CE and he does not mention Jesus' mother. The Gospels are of a later date, and here is where the references come in. Except for the observation that the character of Jesus seems to have a distinct personality, there seems to be no corroborating evidence he actually existed, in which case his mother did not exist either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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It's also worth mentioning that the historical Jesus and The Christ are two different persons, a huge misunderstanding fuelled by the ignorance of Church-leaders. According to esoteric information Jesus was indeed born naturally like everyone else by Mary who had the point degree of evolution of 2,2 at her time of death. She is now fully enlightened and works closely with her son Jesus and with The Christ, now known as Maitreya, the oldest and most experienced individual in the Hierarchy of Masters.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? You may be right but the place that you're asserting this from is wrong, as usual. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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No one is the mother of God. Why do you think God has a mother ? Mary is the mother of Jesus from Nazareth, a senior Master in the Hierarchy of Masters.
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Nablusoss, I was raised Catholic and taught that Jesus is second Person of the Trinity. I don't think about it much anymore but I guess it's still there in the old chit (-: On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:35 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: No one is the mother of God. Why do you think God has a mother ? Mary is the mother of Jesus from Nazareth, a senior Master in the Hierarchy of Masters.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/23/2014 10:04 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are trying to say the protesters were sidhas? How else do you account for the fact that the Orange Revolution in Ukraine was mostly non-violent? From what I've read, there are hundreds if not thousands of TMers in Ukraine and other parts of Europe.
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On 2/23/2014 10:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: He says the violence is part of a strategy devised by right-wing groups Now the Sochi Games are over, Western governments are concerned the smile will disappear and the gloves come off in Russia's tug-of-war with Europe over the fate of Ukraine. Reuters: http://tinyurl.com/k4zfv5f
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, short answer: I believe Mary existed as a real person. Long answer: having been raised Catholic, I find the Mary topic fascinating. And worth questioning if only to benefit the psychological health of girls who wonder if they too will be able to become mothers while remaining virgins. As if one would want to! Share, do you think it would be worthwhile for you to ruminate just an eensy weensy bit longer on what you wrote here? Anyway, from various readings I've gleaned that there's way more to the story than the Catholic Church is willing to admit. For me, what's important is to question the implied demonization of sexuality. And I admit I bet that demonization was originally done by some early Christian man! Go figure! On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
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Yanukovich's residence possibly built by Finnish Honka-rakenne (Pine-structure), the same firm that built Maharishi's house in Vlodrop... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUK6hSVfRI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUK6hSVfRI
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Nice, thanks for the info, I didn't know they were still there :-) What we would need is such a group in Turkey also as this most probably will be the next hot-spot.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
...to underline and 'seal what we thought and wanted to say
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Hey gang, before posting can you click on the show message history line, it reveals what you are responding to which helps the rest of us with the following the debate. And it would be nice to see what Nabby said that sounds like it might have been worth taking seriously ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Chernobyl (Ukraine) vs. Fukushima: http://enenews.com/newspaper-ignores-scientific-models-show-fukushima-radiation-impacting-west-coast-fails-inform-readers-reporting-only-discredited-tsunami-wave-height-map-illness-mind-people-lie-about-threat-map http://enenews.com/newspaper-ignores-scientific-models-show-fukushima-radiation-impacting-west-coast-fails-inform-readers-reporting-only-discredited-tsunami-wave-height-map-illness-mind-people-lie-about-threat-map
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Just one tiny question mr. merudanda, which finger is God and which is me (-: me and God, like fingers crossed not star crossed lovers at all, yay! barkeep, hot cross buns all around! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:00 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ...to underline and 'seal what we thought and wanted to say
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Certainly any news and media output has to be taken with a grain of salt especially if a journalist want us to believe they know what is in the head and mind of an politician and being on a location for a few minute knows it all. VIde“an oceanographer's in-joke” maximum wave heights of the tsunami generated by the Japan earthquake taken for showing radiation spreading across the ocean from Japan: Since lived there at the time and many years later in the surrounding area have to say models are one thing (easily proven wrong in one area of the model, with no data in other areas, etc.), actual widespread and frequent monitoring, not just some the dose rate (which can be a combination of so many variables), but specific for concentrations of various isotopes (at least I-131 and Cs-134 for evidence of recriticalities after 2011), and definitely Cs-137, Co-60 and Sr-90; perhaps also Pu-139/240 too, in water, in sediment, in plankton, in Tuna, etc., at least weekly and all over the Pacific and around should be and has been utmost importance http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html That's a minimum to make statements.Unfortunately some government barely monitors deposition, has made no attempts to identify the hotspots, and thus that far more monitoring is needed not only by private organization and initiative(here ref .to Asian area).
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Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
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Not to dash your hopes or anything, but one of the limitations about any kind of radiation monitoring is whether anyone in a given country is *allowed* to perform any private testing. For example, when I lived in Santa Fe a big stink was raised when residents of Los Alamos, home of the US National Laboratories (and one of the dirtiest nuclear sites ever) wanted to have private testing done of some of the neighborhoods bordering on the sites of the earliest reactors there. They wanted this after noticing that in some of these neighborhoods no one could find a household in which someone had *not* had cancer. The statistics were just off the chart, and naturally the residents suspected radiation leaking into the soil and ground water. But it turns out that no one was *allowed* to measure these things, because in the US the only agency that *is* allowed to monitor radiation levels is the Atomic Energy Commission. This is a leftover law from the Cold War, but it is still in effect, so any attempt to perform private testing is a violation of Federal law punishable by many years in prison. This may have changed in the years since, and I hope it has, but it was definitely true and all over the New Mexico headlines at the time. Another factor in the New Mexico scenario is that one in every four jobs in NM is provided by the US government, and no one was about to bite the hand that feeds by forcing them to do their own extensive studies and possibly leave themselves open to lawsuits and expensive clean-ups. It was similar to the lax (read, almost non-existent) drunk driving laws in the state. It has one of the highest incidences of alcohol-related accidents and deaths in the nation, but every year the Legislature fails to pass any bills trying to curb drunk driving. Why? I got to see why first-hand, because one of my hangouts in Santa Fe was a restaurant/bar next to the State Capitol, where I got to see the legislators drop by after a hard day at work and down 4-5 drinks before driving home. Local cops knew the story, and knew why no one would pass laws to make their lives easier and stop the deaths -- the legislators themselves were among the biggest offenders. You can't rely on the people who benefit from dirty chicken coops to guard the chicken coops... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Certainly any news and media output has to be taken with a grain of salt especially if a journalist want us to believe they know what is in the head and mind of an politician and being on a location for a few minute knows it all. VIde“an oceanographer's in-joke” maximum wave heights of the tsunami generated by the Japan earthquake taken for showing radiation spreading across the ocean from Japan: Since lived there at the time and many years later in the surrounding area have to say models are one thing (easily proven wrong in one area of the model, with no data in other areas, etc.), actual widespread and frequent monitoring, not just some the dose rate (which can be a combination of so many variables), but specific for concentrations of various isotopes (at least I-131 and Cs-134 for evidence of recriticalities after 2011), and definitely Cs-137, Co-60 and Sr-90; perhaps also Pu-139/240 too, in water, in sediment, in plankton, in Tuna, etc., at least weekly and all over the Pacific and around should be and has been utmost importance http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html That's a minimum to make statements.Unfortunately some government barely monitors deposition, has made no attempts to identify the hotspots, and thus that far more monitoring is needed not only by private organization and initiative(here ref .to Asian area).
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Don't ask difficult questions MJ! The idea here is to draw targets round arrows. Only claim for the good and say that everything else is unstressing. Loads of people getting shot in the head is clearly an instance of positive forces predominating. And if we've learned anything about revolutions we know that it isn't over yet. I fear what Putin is going to do when he realises that his dream of a pro-Russian trading bloc to counter Europe is falling apart. And what if Moldova and Belarus, to name two, want to join Ukraine? We could be in for a rocky ride. But that's history - one damn thing after another ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ukraine?
Success has many fathers, while failure is an orphan. ~ John F. Kennedy --- MJ mjackson74@... wrote: Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
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h hot cross buns all around!... http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html but we should not eat too much at night..LOL My just tiny question to you electrified one-winged butterfly to type to and for me : what kind of mudra energy flow and brain centers stimulation are crossed finger shown at the back not front of the shirt and by the little cute children before ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Just one tiny question mr. merudanda, which finger is God and which is me (-: me and God, like fingers crossed not star crossed lovers at all, yay! OMG...what a doomed relationship ..from forth the fatal loins of these two foes What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.. Oh Kali Are the souls of a million lunatics..Just loose from the prison-house,Wrenching trees by the roots,The stars are blotted out,..Sweeping all from the path... barkeep, hot cross buns all around! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:00 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ...to underline and 'seal what we thought and wanted to say
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FWIW, over 17% of the people of Ukraine are Russians...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Not to dash your hopes or anything, but one of the limitations about any kind of radiation monitoring is whether anyone in a given country is *allowed* to perform any private testing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=xgA0b-ZyJR8#t=92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=xgA0b-ZyJR8#t=92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEj057iI1k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEj057iI1k snip yeah Nick's U.S. of the land of the free? 10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-the-united-states-still-the-land-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-the-united-states-still-the-land-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html ?
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You are talking yourself into a corner - How can substantial change occur, without any violence? It doesn't happen in nature that way, so why should humanity be an exception to that? Sure, it sucks, but it seems to be a constant. Even fairly benign revolutions, like South Africa's, resulted in a large amount of deaths, just not as bad as it could have been. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
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C'mon Nabby, Buck - answer the question, are you and the TMO responsible for the deaths and property destruction leading to this momentous occasion? On Sun, 2/23/14, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 12:38 PM Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Not to dash your hopes or anything, but one of the limitations about any kind of radiation monitoring is whether anyone in a given country is *allowed* to perform any private testing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgA0b-ZyJR8feature=player_detailpage#t=107 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgA0b-ZyJR8feature=player_detailpage#t=107 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEj057iI1k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEj057iI1k snip Nick's U.S. of ?? the land of the free 10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-the-united-states-still-the-land-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-the-united-states-still-the-land-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html
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C'mon, MJ - Its a bullshit question. I suppose if a TMer had invented the automobile, you could ask them the same thing, after all, I am quite sure that the total number of grisly, horrible, and painful deaths, due to that invention, easily exceeds a million - A real holocaust. What is the alternative, that we sit on our hands? TM is the first technique to emerge that gives the world half a chance, with its direct, mechanical influence, on the expansion of awareness. To ask the thoughtless question, that you did, gets us exactly nowhere. Suppose I were to say, yes, I am both responsible for the revolution in Ukraine, and the deaths. SO fucking what? So someone can now point a self-satisfied finger at me, and say, I told you so? Life is often fucked up and messy, so might as well move it forward, anyway.
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I think that all Michael is suggesting is that these lamebrain TMers who seem to want the credit for *one day's* worth of seemingly progressive changes happening in Ukraine should man up and be willing to take the credit for ALL of the bad things that led up to it. The alternative is to stop all this silly credit bullshit and admit that TM and TMers had NOTHING to do with any of this, positive OR negative. Shit did what it always does, and just happened. Get OVER it, butt-bouncers. The *only* thing you are succeeding at with your bounces is in getting saner people to laugh at you and roll their eyes at your gullibility. Anyone who still believes anything Maharishi said at this point is pretty much by definition a moron in the eyes of the general public. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? C'mon, MJ - Its a bullshit question. I suppose if a TMer had invented the automobile, you could ask them the same thing, after all, I am quite sure that the total number of grisly, horrible, and painful deaths, due to that invention, easily exceeds a million - A real holocaust. What is the alternative, that we sit on our hands? TM is the first technique to emerge that gives the world half a chance, with its direct, mechanical influence, on the expansion of awareness. To ask the thoughtless question, that you did, gets us exactly nowhere. Suppose I were to say, yes, I am both responsible for the revolution in Ukraine, and the deaths. SO fucking what? So someone can now point a self-satisfied finger at me, and say, I told you so? Life is often fucked up and messy, so might as well move it forward, anyway.
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What organization, corporation, government, or religion, takes credit for *any* negative consequences, as a result of its actions? Please name just *one*. After *you* do that, we can revisit the martyrdom of the TMers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: I think that all Michael is suggesting is that these lamebrain TMers who seem to want the credit for *one day's* worth of seemingly progressive changes happening in Ukraine should man up and be willing to take the credit for ALL of the bad things that led up to it. The alternative is to stop all this silly credit bullshit and admit that TM and TMers had NOTHING to do with any of this, positive OR negative. Shit did what it always does, and just happened. Get OVER it, butt-bouncers. The *only* thing you are succeeding at with your bounces is in getting saner people to laugh at you and roll their eyes at your gullibility. Anyone who still believes anything Maharishi said at this point is pretty much by definition a moron in the eyes of the general public. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? C'mon, MJ - Its a bullshit question. I suppose if a TMer had invented the automobile, you could ask them the same thing, after all, I am quite sure that the total number of grisly, horrible, and painful deaths, due to that invention, easily exceeds a million - A real holocaust. What is the alternative, that we sit on our hands? TM is the first technique to emerge that gives the world half a chance, with its direct, mechanical influence, on the expansion of awareness. To ask the thoughtless question, that you did, gets us exactly nowhere. Suppose I were to say, yes, I am both responsible for the revolution in Ukraine, and the deaths. SO fucking what? So someone can now point a self-satisfied finger at me, and say, I told you so? Life is often fucked up and messy, so might as well move it forward, anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/22/2014 8:54 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: just a matter of time before the Russians own Ukraine again It's pretty obvious who is not doing the TM meditation by reading negative comments like this one from MJ. The least he could do is offer support for the people of Ukraine. The events there could be just the start of a democratic domino-effect, as Russia's border countries threaten the entire Russian communist system. Go figure.
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So you think this situation is a result of butt bouncers? Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What organization, corporation, government, or religion, takes credit for *any* negative consequences, as a result of its actions? Please name just *one*. After *you* do that, we can revisit the martyrdom of the TMers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: I think that all Michael is suggesting is that these lamebrain TMers who seem to want the credit for *one day's* worth of seemingly progressive changes happening in Ukraine should man up and be willing to take the credit for ALL of the bad things that led up to it. The alternative is to stop all this silly credit bullshit and admit that TM and TMers had NOTHING to do with any of this, positive OR negative. Shit did what it always does, and just happened. Get OVER it, butt-bouncers. The *only* thing you are succeeding at with your bounces is in getting saner people to laugh at you and roll their eyes at your gullibility. Anyone who still believes anything Maharishi said at this point is pretty much by definition a moron in the eyes of the general public. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? C'mon, MJ - Its a bullshit question. I suppose if a TMer had invented the automobile, you could ask them the same thing, after all, I am quite sure that the total number of grisly, horrible, and painful deaths, due to that invention, easily exceeds a million - A real holocaust. What is the alternative, that we sit on our hands? TM is the first technique to emerge that gives the world half a chance, with its direct, mechanical influence, on the expansion of awareness. To ask the thoughtless question, that you did, gets us exactly nowhere. Suppose I were to say, yes, I am both responsible for the revolution in Ukraine, and the deaths. SO fucking what? So someone can now point a self-satisfied finger at me, and say, I told you so? Life is often fucked up and messy, so might as well move it forward, anyway.
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The whole point of the TMSP is that positive things occur, look at the claims - less hospital admissions, less violent crime, peaceful solutions are sought, greater harmony in government. Not more chaos! The fact that this revolution is proceeding the way they always do just illustrates the crap that TMers come out with. It isn't peaceful! It isn't part of some master plan by Marshy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are talking yourself into a corner - How can substantial change occur, without any violence? It doesn't happen in nature that way, so why should humanity be an exception to that? Sure, it sucks, but it seems to be a constant. Even fairly benign revolutions, like South Africa's, resulted in a large amount of deaths, just not as bad as it could have been. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
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I agree - if we are talking about regular transformation. But Buck and Nabby are crediting this transformation to world practice of TMSP and neither Marshy nor the Movement have ever said the Marshy Effect works through violent change. Quite the opposite in fact. Maharishi Effect: The phenomena that creates a peaceful, harmonious, life-supporting influence in a given population when the square root of 1% of a population practice the TM and TM-Sidhi programs. from: http://8000now.com/peacecreated.html Research studies have repeatedly confirmed the Maharishi Effect on a global scale. For example, during assemblies of ten days to three weeks in which the number of individuals practising the TM-Sidhi Programme of Yogic Flying approached or exceeded the square root of one per cent of the world's population—about 7,000 people—global social trends improved immediately, including improved international relations as measured by reduced international conflict and reduced incidence of terrorism. (Refer to: Scientific Research on Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme—Collected Papers 335-337, 410, and 411.) Are you proposing that now we have a very different Maharishi Effect? That now the ME includes violent conflict yet ends in a positive result? If so I bet its news to the Movement. By the very definition of the ME, these events in the Ukraine CANNOT be chalked up to the Maharishi Effect. On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 2:16 PM You are talking yourself into a corner - How can substantial change occur, without any violence? It doesn't happen in nature that way, so why should humanity be an exception to that? Sure, it sucks, but it seems to be a constant. Even fairly benign revolutions, like South Africa's, resulted in a large amount of deaths, just not as bad as it could have been. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Well, I've got a question - since Marshy's grand plan and the TMO's TMSP groups all over the world, especially the ones in the Ukraine are responsible for the president fleeing the country, and the opposition leader being released, are you also responsible for the violence that led to these events and are you also responsible for the hundreds of deaths that have occurred during the course of these events? On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 5:28 AM Thanks for re-igniting this, Nablus - As the dark gets darker, and the light gets brighter, and stronger, there is no way to remain neutral, any longer, regarding goodwill for the world - not just sweet thoughts, but a moment by moment dedication to freedom, real freedom to love, respect, assist, aid, and inspire, all - and fucking fight hard for it. Nothing more worthwhile to do. We have been at it for a lifetime, and although our children have the consciousness of Brahm, we nonetheless continue out of dedication, and divine habit, to bring about a better world. Jai Guru Dev.
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your reply is bullshit and not well thought out - as I said, by the very definition of the Maharishi Effect these events cannot be said to have been caused by that ME On Sun, 2/23/14, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 2:29 PM C'mon, MJ - Its a bullshit question. I suppose if a TMer had invented the automobile, you could ask them the same thing, after all, I am quite sure that the total number of grisly, horrible, and painful deaths, due to that invention, easily exceeds a million - A real holocaust. What is the alternative, that we sit on our hands? TM is the first technique to emerge that gives the world half a chance, with its direct, mechanical influence, on the expansion of awareness. To ask the thoughtless question, that you did, gets us exactly nowhere. Suppose I were to say, yes, I am both responsible for the revolution in Ukraine, and the deaths. SO fucking what? So someone can now point a self-satisfied finger at me, and say, I told you so? Life is often fucked up and messy, so might as well move it forward, anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/23/2014 6:38 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Well, I've got a question So, you don't have all the answers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued existence.
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On 2/23/2014 7:11 AM, salyavin808 wrote: And what if Moldova and Belarus, to name two, want to join Ukraine? That would probably be Putin's worst nightmare. Putin will do almost anything to keep Ukraine government subsidies flowing. It all comes down to a socialist state dependent on the Kremlin versus a free market environment in the EU.
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On 2/23/2014 8:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: are you and the TMO responsible for the deaths and property destruction leading to this momentous occasion? Apparently the police killed most of the protestors, not the TMO.
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On 2/23/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Get OVER it, butt-bouncers. If reports are true about the Rama guy's levitation event, then it would be quite easy for the Ukrainian butt-bouncers to form a demonstration in the town square and resist the police by just meditating in place without even hopping.
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I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued existence.
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You notice that neither Nabby nor Buck have answered my question - is group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the regime change? I can't believe either of them would credit this event to the TMSP practice, given the very clear description the TMO has always given of the Maharishi Effect and how it works. They have NEVER said that it creates violent change before positive results occur. It is rare that I give the TMO credit for anything, but to their credit at least they are not claiming credit for the Ukraine events, at least not officially. On Sun, 2/23/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:35 PM I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued existence.
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Well if it works really well, you could retire on the royalties. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued existence.
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As kids in the 1950s we used to take a Geiger counter up into the hill to prospect for uranium. All we would find was granite which does emit some radioactivity. How to build your own radiation monitoring station and put it online: http://radiation-watch-san-mateo-coast.com/DIY/index.html After the Fukushima incident Lawrence Labs Berkeley was posting the daily cesium count taking on their roof online. After it started climbing high it was taken offline. Figure the guvmint didn't want the sheeple alarmed as they might stop grazing (consuming). On 02/23/2014 04:50 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Not to dash your hopes or anything, but one of the limitations about any kind of radiation monitoring is whether anyone in a given country is *allowed* to perform any private testing. For example, when I lived in Santa Fe a big stink was raised when residents of Los Alamos, home of the US National Laboratories (and one of the dirtiest nuclear sites ever) wanted to have private testing done of some of the neighborhoods bordering on the sites of the earliest reactors there. They wanted this after noticing that in some of these neighborhoods no one could find a household in which someone had *not* had cancer. The statistics were just off the chart, and naturally the residents suspected radiation leaking into the soil and ground water. But it turns out that no one was *allowed* to measure these things, because in the US the only agency that *is* allowed to monitor radiation levels is the Atomic Energy Commission. This is a leftover law from the Cold War, but it is still in effect, so any attempt to perform private testing is a violation of Federal law punishable by many years in prison. This may have changed in the years since, and I hope it has, but it was definitely true and all over the New Mexico headlines at the time. Another factor in the New Mexico scenario is that one in every four jobs in NM is provided by the US government, and no one was about to bite the hand that feeds by forcing them to do their own extensive studies and possibly leave themselves open to lawsuits and expensive clean-ups. It was similar to the lax (read, almost non-existent) drunk driving laws in the state. It has one of the highest incidences of alcohol-related accidents and deaths in the nation, but every year the Legislature fails to pass any bills trying to curb drunk driving. Why? I got to see why first-hand, because one of my hangouts in Santa Fe was a restaurant/bar next to the State Capitol, where I got to see the legislators drop by after a hard day at work and down 4-5 drinks before driving home. Local cops knew the story, and knew why no one would pass laws to make their lives easier and stop the deaths -- the legislators themselves were among the biggest offenders. You can't rely on the people who benefit from dirty chicken coops to guard the chicken coops... *From:* merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:34 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Certainly any news and media output has to be taken with a grain of salt especially if a journalist want us to believe they know what is in the head and mind of an politician and being on a location for a few minute knows it all. VIde“an oceanographer's in-joke” maximum wave heights of the tsunami generated by the Japan earthquake taken for showing radiation spreading across the ocean from Japan: Since lived there at the time and many years later in the surrounding area have to say models are one thing (easily proven wrong in one area of the model, with no data in other areas, etc.), actual widespread and frequent monitoring, not just some the dose rate (which can be a combination of so many variables), but specific for concentrations of various isotopes (at least I-131 and Cs-134 for evidence of recriticalities after 2011), and definitely Cs-137, Co-60 and Sr-90; perhaps also Pu-139/240 too, in water, in sediment, in plankton, in Tuna, etc., at least weekly and all over the Pacific and around should be and has been utmost importance http://cerea.enpc.fr/en/fukushima.html That's a minimum to make statements.Unfortunately some government barely monitors deposition, has made no attempts to identify the hotspots, and thus that far more monitoring is needed not only by private organization and initiative(here ref .to Asian area).
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On 2/23/2014 10:35 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? Fred Lenz could levitate - can you even bounce on your butt or sit still for 20 minutes? There is a difference - your position is in a dark cafe at a table in the back; Lenz was hovering up front above his seat where everyone could see him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/23/2014 10:49 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: is group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the regime change? Apparently the practice of the TMSP prevented even more violence. Apparently you haven't even read MMY's commentary on Bhagavad Gita. Have you ever heard of the Battle of Kurkshetra? Go figure.
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Nablusoss, I don't understand how Hitler and Stalin can be 2 and Mary only 2,2! On Saturday, February 22, 2014 4:48 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed very fascinating. You might recall that Winston Churchill and Willy Brandt score high up there, both almost 3,0, which in my interpretation of things 3,0 is CC, and both alcoholics. Do study the list further. What I do find however that at least to me it all makes sense in the only fields I can comment which is music, (there are but no photographers on the list, but this will change shortly). How does it resonate with you and your ears when the Master of Benjamin Crème distinguish composers and performing artists thus: Elivis: 0,8 Louis Armstrong: 0.6 Arleen Auger: 1,30 JS Bach: 3,10 Bela Bartok: 1,80 Leonard Bernstein: 1,60 Hildegard Von Bingen: 1,47 Ernest Bloch: 1,70 Johannes Brahms: 2,40 Bing Crosby:1,40 Ludvig Van Beethoven: 3,10 Jimi Hendrix: 1,30 Maurice Ravel: 2,00 and so on. When you listen to this music created by the above mentioned, does it fit ? In my humble opinion it most certainly does, but your experience may vary. Do enjoy !
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An evolutionary point of evolution of 2,2 is rare and means the person was highly evolved but not enlightened.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Dear MJ, as you are so excitably flaming wild assumptions and assertions just to be negative here not a lot can be said in response because without at least a one percent Meissner-like threshold your assertions are uncontrolled field-effect. But the science evidently does show the activating principle of coherent systems, like with cultivated consciousness in the human physiology. The particular science on the Ukraine is out and the turmoil is not over either. So yes like on the great battlefields of life like in the Bhagavad-Gita the chaos of violence could come in to affect and happen in the absence of field coherence. Like you could simmer down some in your own life in taking more quiet time of effective transcending meditation. The problem really is people like MJ here gave up helping with world consciousness and world coherence and walked away. All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance. The science demonstrates that increasing collective coherence in consciousness-based meditation is the most fundamental way of doing that. I'd like your support for a change. Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift of God [the Unified Field], which is why we call it the present.” -Bil Keane “You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.” -John Lennon and, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: You notice that neither Nabby nor Buck have answered my question - is group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the regime change? I can't believe either of them would credit this event to the TMSP practice, given the very clear description the TMO has always given of the Maharishi Effect and how it works. They have NEVER said that it creates violent change before positive results occur. It is rare that I give the TMO credit for anything, but to their credit at least they are not claiming credit for the Ukraine events, at least not officially. On Sun, 2/23/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:35 PM I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@...; anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued existence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Yes, Nablusoss, but how could the mother of Jesus not be enlightened?! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:23 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: An evolutionary point of evolution of 2,2 is rare and means the person was highly evolved but not enlightened.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
your problem is you don't pay attention to even what the Movement says - read the Movement websites devoted to the ME - they don't say shit about the effects of the Maharishi Effect beginning as violence - quite the opposite. By the Movement's own standards and criteria for measuring the Maharishi Effect, the events in the Ukraine can't be due to group yogic flying because of the violence. Had the leader of the Ukraine quietly stepped down and the opposition leader released with no prior violence then the Movement could have made some claims - but by their own standards, no. If you and Nabby are so pitifully eager to lay all seeming positive success at the door of the TMO so you can share in the glow yourselves there is no help for you. On Sun, 2/23/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 9:28 PM Dear MJ, as you are so excitably flaming wild assumptions and assertions just to be negative here not a lot can be said in response because without at least a one percent Meissner-like threshold your assertions are uncontrolled field-effect. But the science evidently does show the activating principle of coherent systems, like with cultivated consciousness in the human physiology. The particular science on the Ukraine is out and the turmoil is not over either. So yes like on the great battlefields of life like in the Bhagavad-Gita the chaos of violence could come in to affect and happen in the absence of field coherence. Like you could simmer down some in your own life in taking more quiet time of effective transcending meditation. The problem really is people like MJ here gave up helping with world consciousness and world coherence and walked away. All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance. The science demonstrates that increasing collective coherence in consciousness-based meditation is the most fundamental way of doing that. I'd like your support for a change. Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift of God [the Unified Field], which is why we call it the present.” -Bil Keane “You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.” -John Lennon and, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: You notice that neither Nabby nor Buck have answered my question - is group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the regime change? I can't believe either of them would credit this event to the TMSP practice, given the very clear description the TMO has always given of the Maharishi Effect and how it works. They have NEVER said that it creates violent change before positive results occur. It is rare that I give the TMO credit for anything, but to their credit at least they are not claiming credit for the Ukraine events, at least not officially. On Sun, 2/23/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:35 PM I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time
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and how is my assertion wild? I am going by what your Movement says here, nothing else. On Sun, 2/23/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 9:28 PM Dear MJ, as you are so excitably flaming wild assumptions and assertions just to be negative here not a lot can be said in response because without at least a one percent Meissner-like threshold your assertions are uncontrolled field-effect. But the science evidently does show the activating principle of coherent systems, like with cultivated consciousness in the human physiology. The particular science on the Ukraine is out and the turmoil is not over either. So yes like on the great battlefields of life like in the Bhagavad-Gita the chaos of violence could come in to affect and happen in the absence of field coherence. Like you could simmer down some in your own life in taking more quiet time of effective transcending meditation. The problem really is people like MJ here gave up helping with world consciousness and world coherence and walked away. All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance. The science demonstrates that increasing collective coherence in consciousness-based meditation is the most fundamental way of doing that. I'd like your support for a change. Don't find fault. Find a remedy. - Henry Ford “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift of God [the Unified Field], which is why we call it the present.” -Bil Keane “You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.” -John Lennon and, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: You notice that neither Nabby nor Buck have answered my question - is group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the regime change? I can't believe either of them would credit this event to the TMSP practice, given the very clear description the TMO has always given of the Maharishi Effect and how it works. They have NEVER said that it creates violent change before positive results occur. It is rare that I give the TMO credit for anything, but to their credit at least they are not claiming credit for the Ukraine events, at least not officially. On Sun, 2/23/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:35 PM I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/23/2014 3:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: they don't say shit about the effects of the Maharishi Effect beginning as violence - quite the opposite. You forgot to take into consideration that by practicing the TMSP, the Ukrainian protestors didn't storm the gates and hang all the corrupt politicians on the spot. On the other hand, the police, who did not practice the TMSP, shot and killed 75 people.
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On 2/23/2014 3:48 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: and how is my assertion wild? I am going by what your Movement says here, nothing else. It's wild because when the TMSP is practiced in large groups there will be a reduced crime rate and personal violence. The Ukrainian protestors have already started to reduce the crime rate by ejecting the corrupt politicians. Because of the TMSP, the violence against the people has been stopped and the protestors have prevented an all out war - that's the ME. You just can't argue with success and it's very difficult to prove a negative. Go figure. When people practice the TM-Sidhi program in groups, they create a powerful effect of harmony and coherence that radiates into the surrounding society. Scientific studies have found that such groups have reduced crime rates, accident rates, and sickness rates. When open warfare is present, such groups have even reduced fighting and war deaths. Scientists have termed this phenomenon the Maharishi Effect. http://www.mum.edu/default.aspx?RelId=606573
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On 2/23/2014 10:33 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/23/2014 8:36 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Get OVER it, butt-bouncers. If reports are true about the Rama guy's levitation event, then it would be quite easy for the Ukrainian butt-bouncers to form a demonstration in the town square and resist the police by just meditating in place without even hopping. So, you don't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
there is no claim for invincibility for the Ukraine as there is for several nations at the moment, I fear the worst is not over at all and the separation of the Crimea is likely now.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Nicolas Maduro is a Satya Sai Baba devotee, he has allowed some institution of the TM-Sidhis but if you want to blame anyone it is him for not going farther, faster with it. But on the whole things going fantastically well in Central and South America with TM meditating heads of government or state headed for re-election in Brazil and Colombia and the numbers increasing quickly in Mexico and Maharishi's programmes fast making in-roads everywhere. Standards of living are rising where there are large groups, crime is falling and some larger or smaller groups of TM-Sidhas are being established in every country now.
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you are truly a fucking fool - you are trying to say the protesters were sidhas? God you have lost it. On Sun, 2/23/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 10:20 PM On 2/23/2014 3:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: they don't say shit about the effects of the Maharishi Effect beginning as violence - quite the opposite. You forgot to take into consideration that by practicing the TMSP, the Ukrainian protestors didn't storm the gates and hang all the corrupt politicians on the spot. On the other hand, the police, who did not practice the TMSP, shot and killed 75 people.
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Venezuelan police and opposition demonstrators have clashed at the end of a march that gathered tens of thousands of people in Caracas. Several people were injured, as police fired tear gas and activists hurled stones in the Altamira district. Supporters of left-wing President Nicolas Maduro marched in central Caracas and other cities. Ten people have now died in nearly two weeks of protests, which Mr Maduro has called a coup attempt. He says the violence is part of a strategy devised by right-wing groups, with the support of the US, to destabilise his government. On Mon, 2/24/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 2:03 AM Nicolas Maduro is a Satya Sai Baba devotee, he has allowed some institution of the TM-Sidhis but if you want to blame anyone it is him for not going farther, faster with it. But on the whole things going fantastically well in Central and South America with TM meditating heads of government or state headed for re-election in Brazil and Colombia and the numbers increasing quickly in Mexico and Maharishi's programmes fast making in-roads everywhere. Standards of living are rising where there are large groups, crime is falling and some larger or smaller groups of TM-Sidhas are being established in every country now.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Is it possible that TM is forbidden in Ukraine nowadays? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IDlNx21em4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IDlNx21em4
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Nyet On Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:18 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: Is it possible that TM is forbidden in Ukraine nowadays? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IDlNx21em4
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On 2/22/2014 8:18 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: Is it possible that TM is forbidden in Ukraine nowadays? They would probably have to outlaw Hinduism in order to forbid TM in Ukraine. Apparently there are thousands of Hindus living and working in Ukraine. From what I've read, TM is very popular in the Crimea; Ukraine is apparently situated in Brahmasthan of Europe. Go figure.
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When Maharishi in 1991 wanted us to go to Crimea and teach, one anxious soul asked Him: What will it be like (none of us had ever been across the iron-curtain before.) He said: More silence. And boy was he right; a population steeped in silence and longing for more. I've taught TM more or less all over the planet but never had 250 people come to a intro-lecture in a small town where we could not put an ad in the paper or even print a poster; (it's a long story but true) they all turned up from word of mouth. I ended up staying in Ukraine for a year. All my funny, touching, magical and heart-swelling happenings in that truly remarkable country could and should, destiny-willing, fill a book.
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So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? When Maharishi in 1991 wanted us to go to Crimea and teach, one anxious soul asked Him: What will it be like (none of us had ever been across the iron-curtain before.) He said: More silence. And boy was he right; a population steeped in silence and longing for more. I've taught TM more or less all over the planet but never had 250 people come to a intro-lecture in a small town where we could not put an ad in the paper or even print a poster; (it's a long story but true) they all turned up from word of mouth. I ended up staying in Ukraine for a year. All my funny, touching, magical and heart-swelling happenings in that truly remarkable country could and should, destiny-willing, fill a book.
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who is the least believable? On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 5:24 PM So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? When Maharishi in 1991 wanted us to go to Crimea and teach, one anxious soul asked Him: What will it be like (none of us had ever been across the iron-curtain before.) He said: More silence. And boy was he right; a population steeped in silence and longing for more. I've taught TM more or less all over the planet but never had 250 people come to a intro-lecture in a small town where we could not put an ad in the paper or even print a poster; (it's a long story but true) they all turned up from word of mouth. I ended up staying in Ukraine for a year. All my funny, touching, magical and heart-swelling happenings in that truly remarkable country could and should, destiny-willing, fill a book.
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I would have thought that was obvious, but I'll leave it open to see who applies for the position by becoming outraged and defensive. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? who is the least believable? On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 5:24 PM So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? When Maharishi in 1991 wanted us to go to Crimea and teach, one anxious soul asked Him: What will it be like (none of us had ever been across the iron-curtain before.) He said: More silence. And boy was he right; a population steeped in silence and longing for more. I've taught TM more or less all over the planet but never had 250 people come to a intro-lecture in a small town where we could not put an ad in the paper or even print a poster; (it's a long story but true) they all turned up from word of mouth. I ended up staying in Ukraine for a year. All my funny, touching, magical and heart-swelling happenings in that truly remarkable country could and should, destiny-willing, fill a book.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made It's the second. The first was years ago when I naively described an experience of unity consciousness here. Whereupon the Turq et.al gave me a smacking I'll never forget. From then on I decided this is not the place for posting anything really personal. DrDumbass has later proved me wrong, some of his posts are amongst the most straightforward odesseys into the realm of higher states of consciousness ever written. Why do I mostly post links about our Space Brothers and the how Maharishi's predictions slowly come through ? Because we are witnessing a tremendous shift in world consciousness. A shift humanity has not seen for thousand and thousands of years, one in which we are standing with both feet, one which is unfolding before our very eyes. A transformation You, I and humanity owe to the only living Master we ever met and whose one-pointed dedication to a better world made possible.
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That's quite an admission, Barry, that Nabby is more believable than you are. (Not that it's news to the rest of us, but to see you come right out and say it yourself is a surprise.) So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ukraine?
--- nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made It's the second. The first was years ago when I naively described an experience of unity consciousness here. Whereupon the Turq et.al gave me a smacking I'll never forget. From then on I decided this is not the place for posting anything really personal. DrDumbass has later proved me wrong, some of his posts are amongst the most straightforward odesseys into the realm of higher states of consciousness ever written. Why do I mostly post links about our Space Brothers and the how Maharishi's predictions slowly come through ? Because we are witnessing a tremendous shift in world consciousness. A shift humanity has not seen for thousand and thousands of years, one in which we are standing with both feet, one which is unfolding before our very eyes. A transformation You, I and humanity owe to the only living Master we ever met and whose one-pointed dedication to a better world made possible. https://lh6.ggpht.com/WAZC59dbRKcpCculpVrkhZR4BpPfBcjbNeLteMYaL4_UmoTRJUy4B5GwmjceTEb_RQ=h310 https://lh6.ggpht.com/WAZC59dbRKcpCculpVrkhZR4BpPfBcjbNeLteMYaL4_UmoTRJUy4B5GwmjceTEb_RQ=h310 http://www.deculture.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/space-brothers-ptd.jpg http://www.deculture.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/space-brothers-ptd.jpg
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Space Brothers? I've been watching that anime. It's wonderful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? ...Why do I mostly post links about our Space Brothers and the how Maharishi's predictions slowly come through ? Because we are witnessing a tremendous shift in world consciousness. A shift humanity has not seen for thousand and thousands of years, one in which we are standing with both feet, one which is unfolding before our very eyes. A transformation You, I and humanity owe to the only living Master we ever met and whose one-pointed dedication to a better world made possible. Gag me with a spoon. Who on earth -- other than a slave -- is actually looking for a Master?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ukraine?
Again, is this post necessary? Judy, you need to take some time out, or maybe move to Fairfield where people of your own age group can give you company. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: That's quite an admission, Barry, that Nabby is more believable than you are. (Not that it's news to the rest of us, but to see you come right out and say it yourself is a surprise.) On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. I would have thought that was obvious, but I'll leave it open to see who applies for the position by becoming outraged and defensive. :-)
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Nabby if you are referring to Marshy he was no Master, although many including you erroneously believe so, He was however a master manipulator and liar. On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014, 6:52 PM From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? ...Why do I mostly post links about our Space Brothers and the how Maharishi's predictions slowly come through ? Because we are witnessing a tremendous shift in world consciousness. A shift humanity has not seen for thousand and thousands of years, one in which we are standing with both feet, one which is unfolding before our very eyes. A transformation You, I and humanity owe to the only living Master we ever met and whose one-pointed dedication to a better world made possible. Gag me with a spoon. Who on earth -- other than a slave -- is actually looking for a Master?
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On 2/22/2014 11:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: who is the least believable? If it's true that the Rama guy levitated and filled an entire lecture hall with a golden light, then I see no real reason to doubt the existence of any Gods, Buddhas, Maitreya or alien UFOs than can fly around in the sky. Go figure.
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snicker Jason, dear, you're not quite with it, I'm afraid. Why don't you just post some more charts and skip reading my posts? (Note that I never asked you whether those chart posts were necessary. Nor will I share what you've written to me in email.) I have plenty of friends my own age, thank you very much. (Were you thinking Barry was a lot younger? How old are you, come to think of it?) Again, is this post necessary? Judy, you need to take some time out, or maybe move to Fairfield where people of your own age group can give you company. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: That's quite an admission, Barry, that Nabby is more believable than you are. (Not that it's news to the rest of us, but to see you come right out and say it yourself is a surprise.) On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. I would have thought that was obvious, but I'll leave it open to see who applies for the position by becoming outraged and defensive. :-)
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What Rama-guy, this one ? http://www.swamij.com/swami-rama-guru.htm http://www.swamij.com/swami-rama-guru.htm or this one ? :http://in.linkedin.com/pub/guru-rama-krishna/17/b46/661 I was looking at the List of Initiates (http://www.share-berlin.de/list_of_initiates.htm#LinkR) to find the guru-fellow you are mentioning, the hero of the Turq but could not find him though I know he is there somewhere above Elvis and below Jimi Hendrix . Try google Rama-guy and you see what I mean. What was the real name of that most-quoted guru of the Turq ? ?
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Frederick Lenz aka Rama. On Saturday, February 22, 2014 1:40 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: What Rama-guy, this one ? http://www.swamij.com/swami-rama-guru.htm or this one ? :http://in.linkedin.com/pub/guru-rama-krishna/17/b46/661 I was looking at the List of Initiates (http://www.share-berlin.de/list_of_initiates.htm#LinkR) to find the guru-fellow you are mentioning, the hero of the Turq but could not find him though I know he is there somewhere above Elvis and below Jimi Hendrix . Try google Rama-guy and you see what I mean. What was the real name of that most-quoted guru of the Turq ? ?
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In this context, Uncle Tantra's character is irrelevant. It's just that reading your posts and his posts is like listening to a broken record. Same old, same old. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: snicker Jason, dear, you're not quite with it, I'm afraid. Why don't you just post some more charts and skip reading my posts? (Note that I never asked you whether those chart posts were necessary. Nor will I share what you've written to me in email.) I have plenty of friends my own age, thank you very much. (Were you thinking Barry was a lot younger? How old are you, come to think of it?) Again, is this post necessary? Judy, you need to take some time out, or maybe move to Fairfield where people of your own age group can give you company. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: That's quite an admission, Barry, that Nabby is more believable than you are. (Not that it's news to the rest of us, but to see you come right out and say it yourself is a surprise.) On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. I would have thought that was obvious, but I'll leave it open to see who applies for the position by becoming outraged and defensive. :-)
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So don't read them! (And if both of us are boring you with our posts, why dump on me and not him?) In this context, Uncle Tantra's character is irrelevant. It's just that reading your posts and his posts is like listening to a broken record. Same old, same old. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: snicker Jason, dear, you're not quite with it, I'm afraid. Why don't you just post some more charts and skip reading my posts? (Note that I never asked you whether those chart posts were necessary. Nor will I share what you've written to me in email.) I have plenty of friends my own age, thank you very much. (Were you thinking Barry was a lot younger? How old are you, come to think of it?) Again, is this post necessary? Judy, you need to take some time out, or maybe move to Fairfield where people of your own age group can give you company. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: That's quite an admission, Barry, that Nabby is more believable than you are. (Not that it's news to the rest of us, but to see you come right out and say it yourself is a surprise.) On Sat, 2/22/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: So why don't you write about these experiences instead of focusing on saviors that will never come and UFOs that aren't real and Maharishi predictions that have not and will never come true? This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made, and I thought it came across well. A little more of this kinda stuff might go a long ways towards dispelling the image of you as the second-least believable person on the forum. I would have thought that was obvious, but I'll leave it open to see who applies for the position by becoming outraged and defensive. :-)
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Thanks Share ! Lenz, oh dear. Some people just make an impression don't they. According to the Master of Mr. Benjamin Crème, who generously supplied this information, Frederic Lenz had a point of evolution at the time of death of 1,30. That's pretty good actually since the majority of humanity has not done the first Initiation. That's why Godhead sometimes send messengerboys, like Beethoven, Maharishi, Jesus, Zarathustra and Leonardo to hint to something we might have forgotten; we can, and must curve back to our own nature. Regarding the list itself; please study it yourself: http://www.share-berlin.de/list_of_initiates.htm#LinkR http://www.share-berlin.de/list_of_initiates.htm#LinkR
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On 2/22/2014 1:03 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Nabby if you are referring to Marshy he was no Master, although many including you erroneously believe so, He was however a master manipulator and liar. It sure didn't take long for this thread about Ukraine to go to shit. Go figure.
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When you want to master a musical instrument you find someone who has mastered it to learn from. Likewise when you want to master meditation or enlightenment you find someone who is master of that. Masters are not supposed to be your overlord. On 02/22/2014 10:52 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:01 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? ... /Why do I mostly post links about our Space Brothers and the how Maharishi's predictions slowly come through ? Because we are witnessing a tremendous shift in world consciousness. A shift humanity has not seen for thousand and thousands of years, one in which we are standing with both feet, one which is unfolding before our very eyes. A transformation You, I and humanity owe to the only living Master we ever met and whose one-pointed dedication to a better world made possible./ Gag me with a spoon. Who on earth -- other than a slave -- is actually looking for a Master?
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HaHa you're right Richard, but tonight we celebrate with the Ukrainian people ! Long live the peoples of all nations in the fight against oppression ! What's next ? Well, keep a keen eye on Turkey (no pun intended)
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You think the oligarchs are going to give up that easily? They've got billions to spend to keep things destabilized. On 02/22/2014 12:59 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: HaHa you're right Richard, but tonight we celebrate with the Ukrainian people ! Long live the peoples of all nations in the fight against oppression ! What's next ? Well, keep a keen eye on Turkey (no pun intended)
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With all due respect Bhairitu; you are well out of touch with reality. Maharishi gave us the go and now we see the result. Do you have CNN at all where you are ?
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A lot more than CNN on the Internet, Nabs. There's also RT.com which of course has been covering the story as well as other sites not to mention discussions on political sites. And yesterday afternoon I listened to an interview with a Ukrainian woman who spelled out exactly what is going. Like I said folks are broke their and can't afford food. That is a surefire formula for upheaval. The fear is that any US intervention might result in WWIII. Is that what MMY wanted? On 02/22/2014 01:26 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: With all due respect Bhairitu; you are well out of touch with reality. Maharishi gave us the go and now we see the result. Do you have CNN at all where you are ?
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Nablusoss, it's a fascinating list. Picasso higher than Renoir?! Hitler and Stalin higher than CS Lewis?! Mary magdelene lower than Pilate and judas?! is Maharishi on the list? On Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:07 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks Share ! Lenz, oh dear. Some people just make an impression don't they. According to the Master of Mr. Benjamin Crème, who generously supplied this information, Frederic Lenz had a point of evolution at the time of death of 1,30. That's pretty good actually since the majority of humanity has not done the first Initiation. That's why Godhead sometimes send messengerboys, like Beethoven, Maharishi, Jesus, Zarathustra and Leonardo to hint to something we might have forgotten; we can, and must curve back to our own nature. Regarding the list itself; please study it yourself: http://www.share-berlin.de/list_of_initiates.htm#LinkR
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Onward and upward! The closer you are, the faster you go. Once the identity gains universal status, the avenues for growth almost lose their singularity, and then, things *really* begin to take off. JGD - Sincerely, Doctor Dumbass ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is one of the only personal posts you've ever made It's the second. The first was years ago when I naively described an experience of unity consciousness here. Whereupon the Turq et.al gave me a smacking I'll never forget. From then on I decided this is not the place for posting anything really personal. DrDumbass has later proved me wrong, some of his posts are amongst the most straightforward odesseys into the realm of higher states of consciousness ever written. Why do I mostly post links about our Space Brothers and the how Maharishi's predictions slowly come through ? Because we are witnessing a tremendous shift in world consciousness. A shift humanity has not seen for thousand and thousands of years, one in which we are standing with both feet, one which is unfolding before our very eyes. A transformation You, I and humanity owe to the only living Master we ever met and whose one-pointed dedication to a better world made possible.
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Indeed very fascinating. You might recall that Winston Churchill and Willy Brandt score high up there, both almost 3,0, which in my interpretation of things 3,0 is CC, and both alcoholics. Do study the list further. What I do find however that at least to me it all makes sense in the only fields I can comment which is music, (there are but no photographers on the list, but this will change shortly). How does it resonate with you and your ears when the Master of Benjamin Crème distinguish composers and performing artists thus: Elivis: 0,8 Louis Armstrong: 0.6 Arleen Auger: 1,30 JS Bach: 3,10 Bela Bartok: 1,80 Leonard Bernstein: 1,60 Hildegard Von Bingen: 1,47 Ernest Bloch: 1,70 Johannes Brahms: 2,40 Bing Crosby:1,40 Ludvig Van Beethoven: 3,10 Jimi Hendrix: 1,30 Maurice Ravel: 2,00 and so on. When you listen to this music created by the above mentioned, does it fit ? In my humble opinion it most certainly does, but your experience may vary. Do enjoy !
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Jez, sometimes you just want to act difficult Turq. Masters are Masters of their own destiny, not yours. That's an accomplishment that takes quite a lot of Sadhana to attain, the beginning stages of Masterhood is Unity Consciousness.
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and it starts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_I1hW3_sYlist=PLE230C9585F4DD8AC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_I1hW3_sYlist=PLE230C9585F4DD8AC
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US intervention ? From what fantasy did you cook up this silly possibility ? What's finally happening in Ukraine is the result of the third law of thermodynamics and the patient effortless influence of thousands of Sidhas and the Will of God.
