curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's
unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss
Nazis.
You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this
is
not
I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a vibrant,
creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about the TMO, not life in
Fairfield. I have worked on campus twice in two different capacities. I
taught tenth grade boys for two years. The boys were great.
nablusoss wrote:
Your arrogance is rivalled only by your Nazi countrymen.
(...)
This connection excists only in your sick mind devoid
of intuition.
Those who can't refrain from flaming (personal
attacks) or indulge in gratuitous profanity or sexist,
racist, etc. slurs will be warned, then
FF is a big active spiritual practice meditating community outside
of campus here. Things are quite vital here and there is much
spiritual practice work going on. It is quite a special and unique
place to live. There are many active veneers of diversity with a
core of transcendentalism in
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I agree completely with your assessment
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I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life. It is a
vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were about
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I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life
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I agree completely with your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having been on MIU faculty for a few years (teaching Desktop
Publishing) I
agree with you, and would add that
Bevan, who ultimately runs the
university, is a major contributor to the cult-like atmosphere. He
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I agree
I've been meaning to ask this question of the group. I saw a video recently
(within the last four years) of Maharishi, Bevan, and Hagelin. Marshy was
asking the two of them questions, and they answered as best they could, but
Marshy evidently was not satisfied with their answers. So he asked
, 2007 9:28 AM
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I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield life.
It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Lecture in Berlin
Turns Into Chaos
I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield
life.
It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were
about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I
Mainstream, the currents are several in the flow of things here but
what you write here probably has a lot of truth to how it has gone
along. I missed this when you posted it but find it now pretty good.
-Doug in FF
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I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield
life.
It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My comments were
about the TMO, not life in Fairfield. I have worked on campus
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I agree completely with your assessment of Fairfield
life.
It is a vibrant, creative, and spiritual community. My
comments were
about
:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
Snip
Point taken, but Hitler was anything but a blithering idiot, and
could talk up a storm and bring the German character to the
opposite
of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If I was in the audience and understood english and german, I would
say to David Lynch the following:
David, I will explain to you what is going on. This audience is
descended from a group of people who endured
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
I think the problem is that invincibility is a TMO
buzzword that very few rajas or TM spokespeople can
actually define. If you try to define it as MMY
intends, it comes across as pure fascism. No wonder
the German
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The audience reacted negatively because to them, the
rhetoric of the TMO sounds just like Hitler style
fascism. It's not just the word invincibility.
It's the whole vibe of the thing. a
No, they were fine with
You're prolly right. The pompous ass vibe is more important in this video than
the fascist vibe. Curtisdeltablues is prolly also right in his assessment of
my take on the thing.
But invincibilitystill seems the wrong word to choose if your intent is to
communicate disallowing the birth of
As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's
unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss Nazis.
You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this is
not what I have heard from friends who have visited recently.
Although there is a group think
I wasn't describing the totality of Fairfield. It does support all kinds of
thinking and all kinds of wonderful craziness. But there is definitely a
fascist vibe to the inner core of the org. We've got town Rus and Campus Rus.
I sometimes refer to them as house niggers and field niggers.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're prolly right. The pompous ass vibe is more important in
this video than the fascist vibe. Curtisdeltablues is prolly also
right in his assessment of my take on the thing.
But invincibilitystill seems
You're using the word fascist to mean merely authoritarian. I have
something more specific in mind. Natural law was a concept very much alive
in German fascism, for example, and it entailed a caste system, as does the
whole raja thing. Fascism also meant the divine right of rulers, which the
Yes, I listened to both clips before I wrote. I am aware of
everything you say. The Raja and Lynch eventually got it. I would
have expected Lynch and Co. to do better, to be more professional, in
a period of time when the movement is apparently in some decline.
--- In
Actually, they're sweet people. The problem is not with them but with
you and your Nazi obsession.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's
unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're using the word fascist to mean merely authoritarian. I
have something more specific in mind. Natural law was a concept
very much alive in German fascism, for example, and it entailed a
caste system, as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's
unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss
Nazis.
You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this is
not what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're prolly right. The pompous ass vibe is more important in
this video than the fascist vibe. Curtisdeltablues is prolly also
right in his assessment of my take on the thing.
But invincibilitystill seems
Have you actually studied the history of Nazi Germany? You are right in
thinking that whatever the people of a country are into, a Hitler could take
it and run with it, but this is not what happened in the case of Nazi Germany.
Do you actually know how carefully Goebbels designed his
On Nov 17, 2007, at 12:33 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
As for the fascist vibe of the TMO, I stand by it. It's
unmistakable here in Fairfield, which is crawling with bliss Nazis.
You are on the ground in Fairfield, so you should know. But this is
not what I have heard from friends who have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you actually studied the history of Nazi Germany?
Not formally in a classroom, but I've done quite
a bit of reading about it.
You are right in thinking that whatever the people of a country
are into, a
You may keep your opinion. I shall keep mine. I have studied Nazi Germany
formally and exhaustively. Moreover, I am well prepared for scholarship and
scholarly research with years of training. I've also talked with scores of
people who've been through it. A New Age, or, more specifically a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I've noticed that folks in this forum like to call one another stupid
without actually knowing anything in any depth about what's being
discussed.
Heck, some folks on this forum even like to call
Wagner's
There is a big difference between calling a person you are sharing a forum with
stupid and calling a libretto stupid. I do not like Wagner's librettos. I am
aware that he was into Gesamtkunstwerk, and I have read all of them. Hell,
I've even gone to see some of them performed at the Bayreuth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a big difference between calling a person you are sharing
a forum with stupid and calling a libretto stupid. I do not like
Wagner's librettos. I am aware that he was into Gesamtkunstwerk, and
I have
My profession has been literary criticism. It is ignorant, for example, to
separate Blake's art from his poetry, but it is not profoundly ignorant. Each
must be able to stand on its own---and it does. It is better if you see it as
a unified whole, and, I'm sure that's true of Wagner.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My profession has been literary criticism. It is ignorant, for
example, to separate Blake's art from his poetry, but it is not
profoundly ignorant. Each must be able to stand on its own---and it
does. It is
For me, the music does not improve the librettos. I said, Each must stand on
its own. Wagner's librettos don't. This is personal preference, not
ignorance. End of story.
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
I don't think you understand Wagner, or opera, at all. As Judy has
pointed out to you, Wagner's librettos are not intended to stand on
their own. That's the whole point of the Gesamtkunstwerk. In fact, it
would be hard to think of any opera libretto that stands on its own.
That's not what opera is
OK. I guess that's the reason I'm not a major opera fan, some of Mozart
excepted. Just because someone says Gesamtkunstwerk doesn't improve the text
for me separate or not separate. This has nothing to do with understanding. It
has to do with personal preference.
feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
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OK. I guess that's the reason I'm not a major opera fan, some of
Mozart excepted. Just because someone says Gesamtkunstwerk doesn't
improve the text for me separate or not separate.
That's right, saying
I have listened. I do not particularly care for opera. That doesn't mean I
don't know how to listen to music. I just prefer other kinds of music. I grew
up on Bach and chamber music and Mozart, and, oddly, American Swing and Blues.
When I played the piano, I preferred to skip the Romantics,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also don't care whether you ever see any similarities between
German fascism and the TMO. I mentioned it in the hope that there
could be real discussion about it in this forum, but simply denying
that it
You're right. I'm stupid. I should have known better. A wise man once told
me, Never fight with a pig. You get dirty, and he likes it.
nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
I'm not sure which is more disturbing -- the fact
that David Lynch can't see how insane Maharishi
and the Rajas are, or that they can't see how
insane Lynch is. Talk about codependency.
At any rate, as one of the folks in the audience
said, it's theater. And even Bad Theater can be
entertaining
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
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nabulous wrote:
this Raja of Germany certainly displays how these Rajas
do not live up to what they are supposed to be;
instead they reveal how the emperor has no clothes
even in the domain of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
Lol !
Idiot TM'rs
Why don't they just say they are anti-violence and have never
advocated force or violence in any form, and they and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nabulous wrote:
I know this fellow rather well. The video is shocking
as he displays a foolishness and lack of sensitivity
I thought impossible.
this Raja of Germany certainly displays how these Rajas
nabulous wrote:
I know this fellow rather well. The video is shocking
as he displays a foolishness and lack of sensitivity
I thought impossible.
this Raja of Germany certainly displays how these Rajas
do not live up to what they are supposed to be;
instead they reveal how the emperor has
TurquoiseB wrote:
I'm not sure which is more disturbing -- the fact
that David Lynch can't see how insane Maharishi
and the Rajas are, or that they can't see how
insane Lynch is. Talk about codependency.
At any rate, as one of the folks in the audience
said, it's theater. And even Bad
And Maharishi sounds very much like Hitler did when coming into
power. Only people like you who have Hitler on the brain could make
such an entirely ludicrous statement. I am unconvinced by anything you
say here. By their fruits ye shall know them. The fruits of Nazism
were death, destruction,
WOW, this ignorance shows you are either an American or a very very
young European. (Note ignorance is NOT stupidity just lack of
knowledge, so please refrain from sniping.)
On teacher training in Mallorca 1970 I also was shocked at the
questions the English people (Geoffry Baker that Lady
The question of course arises for after MMY is gone (but not among the
peasants here), that if pure consciousness and his Vedic revival (or
your own preferred system of knowledge/path/movement) have
representatives for the world and distant future, should its
representative be? :
(please put
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The question of course arises for after MMY is gone (but not among
the
peasants here), that if pure consciousness and his Vedic revival
(or
your own preferred system of knowledge/path/movement) have
If I was in the audience and understood english and german, I would
say to David Lynch the following:
David, I will explain to you what is going on. This audience is
descended from a group of people who endured one of the most horrific
events in human history, led by a madman that promised
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If I was in the audience and understood english and german, I would
say to David Lynch the following:
David, I will explain to you what is going on. This audience is
descended from a group of people who endured
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
Snip
Point taken, but Hitler was anything but a blithering idiot, and
could talk up a storm and bring the German character to the opposite
of what it has the potential to do good for.
snip
Lurk:
Wait a second. I might have to eat some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
Snip
Point taken, but Hitler was anything but a blithering idiot, and
could talk up a storm and bring the German character to the
opposite
of
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/11/david-lynch-lecture-in-berlin-turns.html
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Wow! But that's pretty much exactly the way I'd expect the outside
world to react to the raja thing. Must be all the tamas. Thank
goodness that raja emmanuel had enough sattwa to tough it all out
with a smile on his face, though I'd imagine that he wouldn't have
much reserves left after
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k357ErdUQyk
David Lynch Lecture in Berlin Turns Into Chaos
Posted by Abraham at 11/15/2007 06:00:00 AM
The Raja of Germany unwittingly echoes Hitler in his calls for
What evidence do you have that I am lying? And why the personal attack? I made
an observation after watching the video twice. I do speak German, so I could
understand what was going on. Maybe someone else seeing it would make a
different observation. Why the emotional response to someone's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What evidence do you have that I am lying? And why the personal
attack? I made an observation after watching the video twice. I do
speak German,
So do I.
so I could understand what was going on.
I frankly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The audience reacted negatively because to them, the rhetoric of the
TMO sounds just like Hitler style fascism. It's not just the
word invincibility. It's the whole vibe of the thing. a
Rubbish ! Are you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
What's next? Vedic water-boarding?
Catch-phrase of the week!
Well, German is still my native language last time I checked, so I understood
quite a bit. Is it your native language?
I didn't say Emmanuel had the vibe of a fascist. I suggested instead that
the German audience saw a fascist vibe. The reason they saw it is because they
are all brainwashed
Lol !
Idiot TM'rs
Why don't they just say they are anti-violence and have never
advocated force or violence in any form, and they and Maharishi have
always advocated and even insisted on the opposite of force for 50
years ! ! !
Idiots.
Still...Maharishi is seriously stupid to think this kind
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
What evidence do you have that I am lying? And why the personal
attack? I made an observation after watching the video twice. I do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Lol !
Idiot TM'rs
Why don't they just say they are anti-violence and have never
advocated force or violence in any form, and they and Maharishi
have
always advocated and even insisted on the opposite of force
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What evidence do you have that I am lying? And why the personal
attack? I made an observation after watching the video twice. I do
speak German, so I could understand what was going on. Maybe someone
else
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
What evidence do you have that I am lying? And why the
Real person translation:
On Nov 15, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
Wow! But that's pretty much exactly the way I'd expect the outside
world to react to the raja thing.
Indeed.
Must be all the tamas.
Must be bliss-ninny denial which is oh so bordering on Nazi imagery
the rest of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/11/david-lynch-lecture-in-berlin-turns.html
you need to go here to get to nosdef translation
Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this!
I am a big fan of David's film work
Well, Nabby, did you see the Times article on this little TMO marketing fiasco?
Is that reporter also lying and guilty of slander?
nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, German is still my native language last time I checked, so I
understood quite a bit. Is it your native language?
Not now, but two incarnations ago I lived in a smallish german city
as a judge and sentenced
The rhetoric of the TMO only sounds like Hitler-style fascism to you
because for some strange reason you've convinced yourself there is a
link between the two. I don't know anyone else who would seriously
argue for any similarities between the TMO and the Nazis. Your vague
phrase the whole vibe of
--- Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow! But that's pretty much exactly the way I'd
expect the outside
world to react to the raja thing. Must be all the
tamas. Thank
goodness that raja emmanuel had enough sattwa to
tough it all out
with a smile on his face, though I'd imagine
The raja comes across as a fool. As the woman said in
the audience, stop repeating yourself. They are asking
a sincere question regarding the operational
definition of invincibility and he defines it by
saying invincibility means invincibility. What a
moron. Poor David and John sitting up there.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Janet Luise janluise@
wrote:
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/11/david-lynch-lecture-in-berlin-
turns.html
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