[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-22 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > wrote: > > > > > > To Be Free will only cost you every concep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > wrote: > > > > In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up > > perfectly: > > > > Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be > > true. > > > > Will. It will happen just wait.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > wrote: > > > > > > In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > wrote: > > > >> > >> In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up > >> perfectly: > >> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > wrote: > > > > In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up > > perfectly: > > > > Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread Vaj
On Jun 20, 2006, at 12:57 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up perfectly: Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they happened. Though "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread new_morning_blank_slate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In discussing this with Tom Traynor, he wrapped it up > perfectly: > > Things happen exactly as they should. Why? Because that's the way they > happened. Though "meaningful" perhaps via some other understandings o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-20 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be > true. > > Will. It will happen just wait. Last summer I reflected back on how perfectly engineered my life appeared to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, dwarfing the ego's flailing as Chomolungma dwarfs a pebble. Godspeed! You have outdone yourself! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandci

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --(below, can I refute the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra "Unified Field" > theory?). I don't have to refute what's self-evident baloney!. [...] > > And its not "a field" that is considered "the Unmanifest" but "The" > Un

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Free Will, you only think you have it" - rest of article, quotes and summar

2006-06-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
It is the only question worth thinking about. High five for posting this! "What the mathematicians proved is this: if you have the slightest freedom to choose the axes [in the representative experiment involving the spin of a particle] and order of measurement, then particles everywhere must also

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be > true. > > Will. It will happen just wait. > > Tom T > The great surrender, death and rebirth, the holy insurrection, d

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Free Will, you only think you have it" - rest of article, quotes and summaries.

2006-06-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's the first part of the article, and then underneath, selected > quotes and summaries of the main points: [brackets, mine]. Meant to say, many thanks for posting this! Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Free Will, you only think you have it" - rest of article, quotes and summaries.

2006-06-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Kochen and Conway stress that their theorem doesn't disprove 't > Hooft's theory. It simply states that if his theory is true, our > actions cannot be free. And they admit that there's no way for us > to tell.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread matrixmonitor
--(below, can I refute the MMY/Hagelin/Chopra "Unified Field" theory?). I don't have to refute what's self-evident baloney!. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" wrote: > [...] > > I'm also plannin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
To Be Free will only cost you every concept and belief you hold to be true. Will. It will happen just wait. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I'm also planning on presenting some summaries of other recent > articles, from New Scientist and Scientific American; that tend to > support a basis for a "New, New, Physics" as opposed to the "New > Physics"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-19 Thread matrixmonitor
--Thanks, I'll get back to you in about 2 hrs to copy more of the article. The idea that scientific inquiry could have a bearing on free will is a new twist to me, since I thought it was solely a philosophical question. OTOH, Einstein and others were fascinated by the question raised by Bishop Be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I > left the article at home and forgot my password, so I can only copy > what's in the Newscientist website: the first paragraph. I sure would love it if you could copy in more when you have access to the artic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks man, that was really interesting. "or, if one > refers to the Judaic Hebrew texts (Ec: 9:5), the "Soul" IS the body, > since when "you're" dead, you're in the grave, eaten by worms " So now I'm Jewish above the waist too! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" <[EMA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread matrixmonitor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <. Can you help me with the > mind body question? > In Essence, Buddhist > > is "Naturalist" but not necessarily "materialist"; but Buddhists > are > > not inclined to separate mind from matter. > > Do they think of it like the traditions

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Interesting, I would like to read the rest. Can you help me with the mind body question? In Essence, Buddhist > is "Naturalist" but not necessarily "materialist"; but Buddhists are > not inclined to separate mind from matter. Do they think of it like the traditions that posit a mental body? -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Will, you only think you have it!

2006-06-18 Thread matrixmonitor
---Forgot to paste in the paragraph. Here it is: Free will - you only think you have it 04 May 2006 Zeeya Merali Magazine issue 2550 Underneath the uncertainty of quantum mechanics could lie a deeper reality in which, shockingly, all our actions are predetermined "WE MUST believe in free will