Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Bhairitu]

george_deforest wrote:
 Their commitment is to Save N. America from some terrible event
 or series of events. Even eliminating the stress of earthquakes ...
 

 We had an earthquake in Berkeley, California today (Wednesday)
 around 7:15 PM local time. 

 i definitely felt the shake, centered only about a mile from my apt.

 The quake measured 3.7 on the scale -- not enough to do real damage.

 more details: http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51177042.htm
Did you feel the one last night (the 22nd) at 10:47 PM also in the same 
spot and same magnitude?  The Hayward fault seems to be waking up.  Oh boy!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[george_deforest]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 george_deforest wrote:
  
  Their commitment is to Save N. America from some terrible event
  or series of events. Even eliminating the stress of earthquakes ...
  
  We had an earthquake in Berkeley, California today (Wednesday)
  around 7:15 PM local time. 
  i definitely felt the shake, centered only about a mile from my apt.
  The quake measured 3.7 on the scale -- not enough to do real damage.
  more details: http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51177042.htm

 
 Did you feel the one last night (the 22nd) at 10:47 PM also in the same 
 spot and same magnitude?  The Hayward fault seems to be waking up.
 Oh boy!

i missed the one yesterday, (xmas shopping the new mall in SF),
and would you believe, another one this morning too:

3.7 on Wed, 3.7 Friday eve, and 3.5 Sat morn (today) 
all from the same spot...Go Hayward Fault!

much better three little quakes than one big one.

my sister was almost hit in the last big one, when the section of
freeway came crashing down, she was driving more or less
right there right then!

http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes.big.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info earth quakes small ones R OK, bring on lots of small1's

[WLeed3]

lots  many small ones release the stress in a not to destructive manor  they 
are relieving the bigger stresses hopefully . They are the good news, as  are 
the Pundits doing there jobs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  george_deforest wrote:
   
   Their commitment is to Save N. America from some terrible event
   or series of events. Even eliminating the stress of 
earthquakes ...
   
   We had an earthquake in Berkeley, California today (Wednesday)
   around 7:15 PM local time. 
   i definitely felt the shake, centered only about a mile from my 
apt.
   The quake measured 3.7 on the scale -- not enough to do real 
damage.
   more details: 
http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51177042.htm
 
  
  Did you feel the one last night (the 22nd) at 10:47 PM also in 
the same 
  spot and same magnitude?  The Hayward fault seems to be waking up.
  Oh boy!
 
 i missed the one yesterday, (xmas shopping the new mall in SF),
 and would you believe, another one this morning too:
 
 3.7 on Wed, 3.7 Friday eve, and 3.5 Sat morn (today) 
 all from the same spot...Go Hayward Fault!
 
 much better three little quakes than one big one.
 
 my sister was almost hit in the last big one, when the section of
 freeway came crashing down, she was driving more or less
 right there right then!
 
 http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes.big.htm


*

Yeah, well, we're just as quaky here in SoCal as you are up there -- 
note the 319 quakes in the last week on this map:

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[george_deforest]

 Their commitment is to Save N. America from some terrible event
 or series of events. Even eliminating the stress of earthquakes ...

We had an earthquake in Berkeley, California today (Wednesday)
around 7:15 PM local time. 

i definitely felt the shake, centered only about a mile from my apt.

The quake measured 3.7 on the scale -- not enough to do real damage.

more details: http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51177042.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info earth quakes losts of small ones OK

[WLeed3]

Lots of minor ones frequently do relieve there built up stresses so larger  
ones may not then occur etc.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Bhairitu]

george_deforest wrote:
 Their commitment is to Save N. America from some terrible event
 or series of events. Even eliminating the stress of earthquakes ...
 

 We had an earthquake in Berkeley, California today (Wednesday)
 around 7:15 PM local time. 

 i definitely felt the shake, centered only about a mile from my apt.

 The quake measured 3.7 on the scale -- not enough to do real damage.

 more details: http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51177042.htm


   
I noticed it rolled quite a bit longer than the one we had a few months 
back.  I'm about 15 miles from the epicenter.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 george_deforest wrote:
  Their commitment is to Save N. America from some terrible event
  or series of events. Even eliminating the stress of 
earthquakes ...
  
 
  We had an earthquake in Berkeley, California today (Wednesday)
  around 7:15 PM local time. 
 
  i definitely felt the shake, centered only about a mile from my 
apt.
 
  The quake measured 3.7 on the scale -- not enough to do real 
damage.
 
  more details: 
http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51177042.htm
 
 

 I noticed it rolled quite a bit longer than the one we had a few 
months 
 back.  I'm about 15 miles from the epicenter.

I didn't feel it in Santa Clara, but can sometimes feel the ones 
from the Hayward fault here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Richard J. Williams]

jstein wrote:
 Dance, Barry, dance!

It's all about Barry, isn't it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  
   I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on
  
   Mahesh
  
   via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting 
to
  
   see.
  
  
  
   Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching 
both 
 the
   Department of State and CIA websites just now for references 
to 
 TM,
   Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of
   references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious 
freedom 
 in
   Austria and the Netherlands.
  
   Regarding the Dalai Lama:
   From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
   http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf
  
   During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S.
   Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama 
 and
   his followers, including political action, propaganda, and
   paramilitary activity...
  
   Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda
   efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower
   administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and
   Johnson administrations...
  
   The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5
   million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla
   political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
  
   ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai 
Lama,
   have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of
   political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
  
   Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for
   Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.
  
  I imagine that there is still active espionage going on or it is 
 so  
  controversial there will be some time till it is released. It's 
 not  
  surprising that any radical religious zealot would be a target 
of 
 CIA  
  activities--esp. one bent on world domination like M.
 
 re: world domination- well, you gotta start somewhere...:-)

Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  Tibetan 
Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)

http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Rory Goff wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:


 On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:


 I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on

 Mahesh

 via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting
 to

 see.



 Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching
 both
 the
 Department of State and CIA websites just now for references
 to
 TM,
 Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of
 references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious
 freedom
 in
 Austria and the Netherlands.

 Regarding the Dalai Lama:
 From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
 http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf

 During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S.
 Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama
 and
 his followers, including political action, propaganda, and
 paramilitary activity...

 Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda
 efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower
 administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and
 Johnson administrations...

 The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5
 million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla
 political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.

 ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai
 Lama,
 have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of
 political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.

 Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for
 Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.

 I imagine that there is still active espionage going on or it is
 so
 controversial there will be some time till it is released. It's
 not
 surprising that any radical religious zealot would be a target
 of
 CIA
 activities--esp. one bent on world domination like M.

 re: world domination- well, you gotta start somewhere...:-)

 Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  Tibetan
 Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)

 http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm


The Trimondi's are Opus Dei fronts and were originally deployed by  
the then head of the inquisition, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger--now  
known as Pope Benedict XVI. They specialize in spreading  
disinformation regarding Tibetan Buddhism. Some of it is pretty  
hilarious.

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[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  Tibetan 
 Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
 
 http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm

Hi Rory,

Thanks- looks interesting. 

Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour of some of 
the prominent glass houses here in our FFL neighborhood. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
snip-- on the Dalai Lama  Tibetan
  Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
 
  http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
 
 
 The Trimondi's are Opus Dei fronts and were originally deployed 
by  
 the then head of the inquisition, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger--now  
 known as Pope Benedict XVI. They specialize in spreading  
 disinformation regarding Tibetan Buddhism. Some of it is pretty  
 hilarious.

Now *that's* a little one sided, don't you think? Accepting much of 
the drivel written about Maharishi at face value, yet when solid 
facts are presented for the *greater* transgressions regarding 
Tibetan Buddhism, you blithely explain them away 
as 'disinformation'. How does that work? 

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[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
  Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
  
  http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
 
 Hi Rory,
 
 Thanks- looks interesting. 
 
 Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
 of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
 neighborhood. :-)

Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
anyone. This has nothing to do with Tibetan Buddhism
*or* your pretend claim that some people here are...
uh...TB TBs. It's all about having made a fool of 
yourself a couple of days ago by posting some *really*
stupid stuff, and about the fact that you're still 
pissed with yourself about having done that. 

I don't think it's helping to convince anyone here
that you have achieved any kind of realization for 
you to act like an obsessed fuck. In fact, I suspect 
it's helping to convince them that you and realization
are not quite on the friendly terms you have been
hinting you are.

This is just a suggestion. You can keep on trying to
dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and 
about Tibetan Buddhism as you like. He ain't my teacher, 
and it's not my tradition, so it's not like it affects
me one way or another. But I really do think you're off 
the deep end on this one, Jim, 'way out in the Injured 
Ego Gotta Get Revenge Zone, and that rarely works out 
the way you think it will when you're caught up in the 
middle of the obsession.

Signing off now...you do what you think is right.
But if you decide to keep this stuff up and it winds
up comin' back on ya in ways you didn't foresee, don't
say I didn't try to warn you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Sal Sunshine]

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama 
Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)

What?!  I thought that was the agenda for the Jews and the homosexuals, 
or maybe it was Jewish homosexuals.  Glad to hear that others are also 
with the program, though.   Those on the front lines will surely 
appreciate the help. :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
wrote:
  
   Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
   Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
   
   http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
  
  Hi Rory,
  
  Thanks- looks interesting. 
  
  Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
  of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
  neighborhood. :-)
 
 Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
 anyone. This has nothing to do with Tibetan Buddhism
 *or* your pretend claim that some people here are...
 uh...TB TBs. It's all about having made a fool of 
 yourself a couple of days ago by posting some *really*
 stupid stuff, and about the fact that you're still 
 pissed with yourself about having done that.

And boy, Barry should know, because he does this all
the time: says something utterly idiotic, then spends
the next few days attacking everyone in sight in an
attempt to salvage his bruised ego and divert attention
from his embarrassing goof.

It's absolutely fascinating to watch Barry and Vaj's
reactions to being given a taste of their own
medicine, totally oblivious to what their behavior
reveals about their own character, completely blind
to their massive hypocrisy.

 I don't think it's helping to convince anyone here
 that you have achieved any kind of realization for 
 you to act like an obsessed fuck. In fact, I suspect 
 it's helping to convince them that you and realization
 are not quite on the friendly terms you have been
 hinting you are.

Says Barry hopefully...

 This is just a suggestion.

Oh, super, now that Barry has told us all how we are
to think about Jim, Barry's going to help him figure
out how to restore the credibility Barry has been
doing his level best to try to destroy.

 You can keep on trying to
 dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and 
 about Tibetan Buddhism as you like.

I'm sure Jim is *so* grateful that Barry has
condescended to give him permission.

 He ain't my teacher, 
 and it's not my tradition, so it's not like it affects
 me one way or another.

And as we all know, *nothing* ever affects Barry.
He's attacking Jim here out of the purest goodness
of his compassionate heart, not because his little
toesies got stepped on.

 But I really do think you're off 
 the deep end on this one, Jim, 'way out in the Injured 
 Ego Gotta Get Revenge Zone, and that rarely works out 
 the way you think it will when you're caught up in the 
 middle of the obsession.

As Barry knows from *very* long personal experience,
of course.

 Signing off now...you do what you think is right.
 But if you decide to keep this stuff up and it winds
 up comin' back on ya in ways you didn't foresee, don't
 say I didn't try to warn you.

ROTFL!!

Jeez, this is just hilarious.

Dance, Barry, dance!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
 wrote:
   
Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)

http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
   
   Hi Rory,
   
   Thanks- looks interesting. 
   
   Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
   of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
   neighborhood. :-)
  
  Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
  anyone. This has nothing to do with Tibetan Buddhism
  *or* your pretend claim that some people here are...
  uh...TB TBs. It's all about having made a fool of 
  yourself a couple of days ago by posting some *really*
  stupid stuff, and about the fact that you're still 
  pissed with yourself about having done that.
 
 And boy, Barry should know, because he does this all
 the time: says something utterly idiotic, then spends
 the next few days attacking everyone in sight in an
 attempt to salvage his bruised ego and divert attention
 from his embarrassing goof.
 
 It's absolutely fascinating to watch Barry and Vaj's
 reactions to being given a taste of their own
 medicine, totally oblivious to what their behavior
 reveals about their own character, completely blind
 to their massive hypocrisy.
 
  I don't think it's helping to convince anyone here
  that you have achieved any kind of realization for 
  you to act like an obsessed fuck. In fact, I suspect 
  it's helping to convince them that you and realization
  are not quite on the friendly terms you have been
  hinting you are.
 
 Says Barry hopefully...
 
  This is just a suggestion.
 
 Oh, super, now that Barry has told us all how we are
 to think about Jim, Barry's going to help him figure
 out how to restore the credibility Barry has been
 doing his level best to try to destroy.
 
  You can keep on trying to
  dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and 
  about Tibetan Buddhism as you like.
 
 I'm sure Jim is *so* grateful that Barry has
 condescended to give him permission.
 
  He ain't my teacher, 
  and it's not my tradition, so it's not like it affects
  me one way or another.
 
 And as we all know, *nothing* ever affects Barry.
 He's attacking Jim here out of the purest goodness
 of his compassionate heart, not because his little
 toesies got stepped on.
 
  But I really do think you're off 
  the deep end on this one, Jim, 'way out in the Injured 
  Ego Gotta Get Revenge Zone, and that rarely works out 
  the way you think it will when you're caught up in the 
  middle of the obsession.
 
 As Barry knows from *very* long personal experience,
 of course.
 
  Signing off now...you do what you think is right.
  But if you decide to keep this stuff up and it winds
  up comin' back on ya in ways you didn't foresee, don't
  say I didn't try to warn you.
 
 ROTFL!!
 
 Jeez, this is just hilarious.
 
 Dance, Barry, dance!

Dancing naked...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama 
   Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
 
 What?! I thought that was the agenda for the Jews and the 
 homosexuals, or maybe it was Jewish homosexuals.  Glad to 
 hear that others are also with the program, though. Those 
 on the front lines will surely appreciate the help. :)

Actually, Sal, this theory comes from the folks at 
MICROSOFT, who really *are* set on world domination. 
It's their reaction to the release, one April day a 
few years ago, of a competitor to Windoze, Yellow Hat 
GNU/Linux:

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/03/23/213251

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:34 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

  Actually, Sal, this theory comes from the folks at
  MICROSOFT, who really *are* set on world domination.

Really?  I didn't know Bill Gates was  Jewish.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
wrote:
  
   Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
   Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
   
   http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
  
  Hi Rory,
  
  Thanks- looks interesting. 
  
  Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
  of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
  neighborhood. :-)
 
 Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
 anyone. 
 This is just a suggestion. You can keep on trying to
 dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and 
 about Tibetan Buddhism as you like. 

Hi, Actually it was *Rory* who dug up and posted the last bit of 
dirt about the Dalai Lama and about Tibetan Buddhism, without any 
prompting from me I should add. (Even taking the paradox of Brahman 
into account, he and I continue to operate as seperate heads on the 
same body.) :-)

Anyway, you reminded me. So here's more dirt:

From 10-17-1994
Best-selling Buddhist author accused of sexual abuse 
www.well.com/conf/media/SF_Free_Press/nov11/guru.html
$10 million civil suit filed in Santa Cruz by a woman who says 
Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and 
Dying, coerced her into an intimate relationship 

By Don Lattin 
Special to the Free Press 

SAN FRANCISCO -- …a group of American Buddhist women have launched a 
campaign to expose the alleged sexual misconduct of a prominent 
Tibetan lama and best-selling author. 

Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, is 
accused of physical, mental and sexual abuse in a $10 million 
civil suit filed last week in Santa Cruz County Superior Court. 

According to the lawsuit, an anonymous woman identified only 
as Janice Doe came to Rinpoche for spiritual guidance last year at 
a retreat sponsored by the Rigpa Fellowship meditation center in 
Santa Cruz, but was coerced into an intimate relationship with the 
Tibetan guru. 

Sogyal claimed (she) would be strengthened and healed by having sex 
with him and that to be hit by a lama was a blessing, the lawsuit 
states. 

The suit -- which accuses Rinpoche of fraud, assault and battery, 
infliction of emotional distress and breach of fiduciary duty -- 
also charges that the Tibetan lama has seduced many other female 
students for his own sexual gratification. 

Sandra Pawula, spokeswoman for the Rigpa Fellowship of Santa Cruz, 
one of many meditation centers in the United States, Europe and 
Australia, declined to comment about the allegations, but said that 
Rinpoche is not married and does not claim to be a celibate monk. 
Rinpoche, who lives abroad, could not be reached for comment. The 
lawsuit follows a letter-writing campaign to the Dalai Lama by 
American women concerned about alleged sexual exploitation by 
Rinpoche and several lesser-known Tibetan lamas. 

What some of these students have experienced is terrible and most 
unfortunate, said Tenzin Geyche Tethong, the Dharamsala-based 
secretary to the Dalai Lama. 

In a letter sent earlier this year to one of the women, Tethong said 
Tibetan Buddhist leaders have been aware of these (allegations) for 
some years now. 

Jack Kornfield, founder of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Marin 
County, was among a group of two dozen Western teachers who 
discussed the sexual misconduct of Buddhist teachers with the Dalai 
Lama last year in India. 

According to Kornfield, the Tibetan Buddhist leader told the 
Americans to always let people know when things are wrong. Put it 
in the newspapers if you must do so. 

Another woman allegedly abused by Rinpoche, Victoria Barlow of New 
York City, said she is disgusted by the way the Tibetans have 
manipulated the reverence Westerners have for the Buddhist path. 

Barlow, 40, said she first met Rinpoche in the mid-1970s, when she 
was 21, and that she was sexually exploited by him during meditation 
retreats in New York and Berkeley. 

I went to an apartment to see a highly esteemed lama and discuss 
religion, she said in an interview with the Free Press. He opened 
the door without a shirt on and with a beer in his hand. 

Once they were on the sofa, Barlow said, the Tibetan lunged at me 
with sloppy kisses and groping. 

I thought I should take it as the deepest compliment that he was 
interested and basically surrender to him, she said. 

Sources say the Tibetan Buddhists were trying to handle this issue 
within their community but decided, especially after the Dalai Lama 
made the comment about going to the press, to go public now. 

The Dalai Lama has known about this for years and done nothing. 
There is a real code of secrecy and silence, said Barlow. 

http://www.anandainfo.com/tantric_robes.html

An excerpt from The Emperor's Tantric Robes 
This article appeared in the Winter 1996 issue of Tricycle 
magazine;

An Interview with June Campbell on Codes of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
 wrote:
   
Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)

http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
   
   Hi Rory,
   
   Thanks- looks interesting. 
   
   Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
   of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
   neighborhood. :-)
  
  Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
  anyone. 
  This is just a suggestion. You can keep on trying to
  dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and 
  about Tibetan Buddhism as you like. 
 
 Hi, Actually it was *Rory* who dug up and posted the last bit of 
 dirt about the Dalai Lama and about Tibetan Buddhism, without any 
 prompting from me I should add. (Even taking the paradox of Brahman 
 into account, he and I continue to operate as seperate heads on the 
 same body.) :-)
 
 Anyway, you reminded me. So here's more dirt:
 
 From 10-17-1994
 Best-selling Buddhist author accused of sexual abuse 
 www.well.com/conf/media/SF_Free_Press/nov11/guru.html
 $10 million civil suit filed in Santa Cruz by a woman who says 
 Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and 
 Dying, coerced her into an intimate relationship 
 
 By Don Lattin 
 Special to the Free Press 
 
 SAN FRANCISCO -- …a group of American Buddhist women have launched a 
 campaign to expose the alleged sexual misconduct of a prominent 
 Tibetan lama and best-selling author. 
 
 Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, is 
 accused of physical, mental and sexual abuse in a $10 million 
 civil suit filed last week in Santa Cruz County Superior Court. 
 
 According to the lawsuit, an anonymous woman identified only 
 as Janice Doe came to Rinpoche for spiritual guidance last year at 
 a retreat sponsored by the Rigpa Fellowship meditation center in 
 Santa Cruz, but was coerced into an intimate relationship with the 
 Tibetan guru. 
 
 Sogyal claimed (she) would be strengthened and healed by having sex 
 with him and that to be hit by a lama was a blessing, the lawsuit 
 states. 
 
 The suit -- which accuses Rinpoche of fraud, assault and battery, 
 infliction of emotional distress and breach of fiduciary duty -- 
 also charges that the Tibetan lama has seduced many other female 
 students for his own sexual gratification. 
 
 Sandra Pawula, spokeswoman for the Rigpa Fellowship of Santa Cruz, 
 one of many meditation centers in the United States, Europe and 
 Australia, declined to comment about the allegations, but said that 
 Rinpoche is not married and does not claim to be a celibate monk. 
 Rinpoche, who lives abroad, could not be reached for comment. The 
 lawsuit follows a letter-writing campaign to the Dalai Lama by 
 American women concerned about alleged sexual exploitation by 
 Rinpoche and several lesser-known Tibetan lamas. 
 
 What some of these students have experienced is terrible and most 
 unfortunate, said Tenzin Geyche Tethong, the Dharamsala-based 
 secretary to the Dalai Lama. 
 
 In a letter sent earlier this year to one of the women, Tethong said 
 Tibetan Buddhist leaders have been aware of these (allegations) for 
 some years now. 
 
 Jack Kornfield, founder of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Marin 
 County, was among a group of two dozen Western teachers who 
 discussed the sexual misconduct of Buddhist teachers with the Dalai 
 Lama last year in India. 
 
 According to Kornfield, the Tibetan Buddhist leader told the 
 Americans to always let people know when things are wrong. Put it 
 in the newspapers if you must do so. 
 
 Another woman allegedly abused by Rinpoche, Victoria Barlow of New 
 York City, said she is disgusted by the way the Tibetans have 
 manipulated the reverence Westerners have for the Buddhist path. 
 
 Barlow, 40, said she first met Rinpoche in the mid-1970s, when she 
 was 21, and that she was sexually exploited by him during meditation 
 retreats in New York and Berkeley. 
 
 I went to an apartment to see a highly esteemed lama and discuss 
 religion, she said in an interview with the Free Press. He opened 
 the door without a shirt on and with a beer in his hand. 
 
 Once they were on the sofa, Barlow said, the Tibetan lunged at me 
 with sloppy kisses and groping. 
 
 I thought I should take it as the deepest compliment that he was 
 interested and basically surrender to him, she said. 
 
 Sources say the Tibetan Buddhists were trying to handle this issue 
 within their community but decided, especially after the Dalai Lama 
 made the comment about going to the press, to go public now. 
 
 The Dalai Lama has known about this for years and done nothing. 
 There is a real code of secrecy and silence, said Barlow. 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 12:01 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:


Jack Kornfield, founder of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Marin
County, was among a group of two dozen Western teachers who
discussed the sexual misconduct of Buddhist teachers with the Dalai
Lama last year in India.

According to Kornfield, the Tibetan Buddhist leader told the
Americans to always let people know when things are wrong. Put it
in the newspapers if you must do so.


Amen.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You forgot to mention that Tibetan Buddhists
 are funny-looking:
 
 http://www.tibetanculture.org/img/photos/dance.gif

Judging from the picture, it sure looks like the Tibetan Buddhists 
beat the TMO to the punch regarding wearing silly stuff on their 
heads. I guess those TM Rajas don't look so weird after all? :-) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
Tibetan 
  Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
  
  http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
 
 Hi Rory,
 
 Thanks- looks interesting. 
 
 Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour of some of 
 the prominent glass houses here in our FFL neighborhood. :-)

*lol* Mine is rather similar -- to point out that what we see is what 
we BE; our sensorium or drama-field out there is essentially a 
brilliant manifestation of our own consciousness playing through our 
own physiology -- our own devata-particles -- and there is only One of 
Us, and We Love All of Us, and so on and so on...:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
wrote:
  
   Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama  
 Tibetan 
   Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
   
   http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
  
  Hi Rory,
  
  Thanks- looks interesting. 
  
  Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour of 
some of 
  the prominent glass houses here in our FFL neighborhood. :-)
 
 *lol* Mine is rather similar -- to point out that what we see is 
what 
 we BE; our sensorium or drama-field out there is essentially a 
 brilliant manifestation of our own consciousness playing through 
our 
 own physiology -- our own devata-particles -- and there is only 
One of 
 Us, and We Love All of Us, and so on and so on...:-)

I'm *being* good these days! lol! What do you mean by devata-
particles, and why do you equate that to the physiology? What do 
they look like?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 11:47 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:

 Judging from the picture, it sure looks like the Tibetan Buddhists
 beat the TMO to the punch regarding wearing silly stuff on their
 heads. I guess those TM Rajas don't look so weird after all? :-)

Pretty low bar you've set there.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Dec 14, 2006, at 11:47 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  Judging from the picture, it sure looks like the Tibetan Buddhists
  beat the TMO to the punch regarding wearing silly stuff on their
  heads. I guess those TM Rajas don't look so weird after all? :-)
 
 Pretty low bar you've set there.
 
 Sal

Bar, belle?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 14, 2006, at 12:38 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Dec 14, 2006, at 11:47 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:

 Judging from the picture, it sure looks like the Tibetan Buddhists
 beat the TMO to the punch regarding wearing silly stuff on their
 heads. I guess those TM Rajas don't look so weird after all? :-)

 Pretty low bar you've set there.

 Sal

 Bar, belle?

Better than a dumbelle, I guess. :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

Why do you have to be such a fucking idiot?  Leave Tibetan Buddhism alone. 
It is only bothering me, and I am not even part of your stupid conversation. 
If you guys keep at this shit I will leave the group as I cannot belong to a 
place of people slandering my religion. A follower of the Dalai lama gave me 
20,000 bucks after Katrina to help me. Not one of you silly fuckers helped 
me for shit. So back the fuck off.


- Original Message - 
From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@
wrote:
  
   Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama 
   Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
  
   http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
 
  Hi Rory,
 
  Thanks- looks interesting.
 
  Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour
  of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL
  neighborhood. :-)

 Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
 anyone.
 This is just a suggestion. You can keep on trying to
 dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and
 about Tibetan Buddhism as you like.

Hi, Actually it was *Rory* who dug up and posted the last bit of
dirt about the Dalai Lama and about Tibetan Buddhism, without any
prompting from me I should add. (Even taking the paradox of Brahman
into account, he and I continue to operate as seperate heads on the
same body.) :-)

Anyway, you reminded me. So here's more dirt:

From 10-17-1994
Best-selling Buddhist author accused of sexual abuse
www.well.com/conf/media/SF_Free_Press/nov11/guru.html
$10 million civil suit filed in Santa Cruz by a woman who says
Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and
Dying, coerced her into an intimate relationship

By Don Lattin
Special to the Free Press

SAN FRANCISCO -- .a group of American Buddhist women have launched a
campaign to expose the alleged sexual misconduct of a prominent
Tibetan lama and best-selling author.

Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, is
accused of physical, mental and sexual abuse in a $10 million
civil suit filed last week in Santa Cruz County Superior Court.

According to the lawsuit, an anonymous woman identified only
as Janice Doe came to Rinpoche for spiritual guidance last year at
a retreat sponsored by the Rigpa Fellowship meditation center in
Santa Cruz, but was coerced into an intimate relationship with the
Tibetan guru.

Sogyal claimed (she) would be strengthened and healed by having sex
with him and that to be hit by a lama was a blessing, the lawsuit
states.

The suit -- which accuses Rinpoche of fraud, assault and battery,
infliction of emotional distress and breach of fiduciary duty -- 
also charges that the Tibetan lama has seduced many other female
students for his own sexual gratification.

Sandra Pawula, spokeswoman for the Rigpa Fellowship of Santa Cruz,
one of many meditation centers in the United States, Europe and
Australia, declined to comment about the allegations, but said that
Rinpoche is not married and does not claim to be a celibate monk.
Rinpoche, who lives abroad, could not be reached for comment. The
lawsuit follows a letter-writing campaign to the Dalai Lama by
American women concerned about alleged sexual exploitation by
Rinpoche and several lesser-known Tibetan lamas.

What some of these students have experienced is terrible and most
unfortunate, said Tenzin Geyche Tethong, the Dharamsala-based
secretary to the Dalai Lama.

In a letter sent earlier this year to one of the women, Tethong said
Tibetan Buddhist leaders have been aware of these (allegations) for
some years now.

Jack Kornfield, founder of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Marin
County, was among a group of two dozen Western teachers who
discussed the sexual misconduct of Buddhist teachers with the Dalai
Lama last year in India.

According to Kornfield, the Tibetan Buddhist leader told the
Americans to always let people know when things are wrong. Put it
in the newspapers if you must do so.

Another woman allegedly abused by Rinpoche, Victoria Barlow of New
York City, said she is disgusted by the way the Tibetans have
manipulated the reverence Westerners have for the Buddhist path.

Barlow, 40, said she first met Rinpoche in the mid-1970s, when she
was 21, and that she was sexually exploited by him during meditation
retreats in New York and Berkeley.

I went to an apartment to see a highly esteemed lama and discuss
religion, she said in an interview with the Free Press. He opened
the door without a shirt on and with a beer in his hand.

Once they were on the sofa, Barlow said, the Tibetan lunged at me
with sloppy kisses and groping.

I thought I should take it as the deepest compliment that he was
interested and basically surrender to him

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:  Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
of  some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
neighborhood. :-)
  
R: *lol* Mine is rather similar -- to point out that what we see is 
 what 
  we BE; our sensorium or drama-field out there is essentially a 
  brilliant manifestation of our own consciousness playing through 
 our 
  own physiology -- our own devata-particles -- and there is only 
 One of 
  Us, and We Love All of Us, and so on and so on...:-)
 
J: I'm *being* good these days! lol! 

R: Yes, I am! :-)

J:What do you mean by devata-
 particles, and why do you equate that to the physiology? What do 
 they look like?

They may appear as point-selves -- localizations or collapsings of 
All-that-IS into intense bliss-points or I-selves -- which upon 
closer look may resolve into specific classical devata-forms, angel-
forms, god-forms, demon-forms, whatever. They are each and all upon 
heart-embrace nothing other than Us. We are continually creating 
them, sustaining them, and reabsorbing them. I equate them to the 
physiology because that is what they are -- the intermediaries 
through which consciousness (Rishi) creates creation (Chandas). Upon 
closer look and fuller heart-embrace, there is nothing other than 
Us...

Your glass-houses analogy is a good one, for as the intellect 
clarifies and clarifies, it gradually melts into translucence and 
transparency, becomes more and more glass-like, more and more heart-
filled, surrenders its I-thou distinctions more and more, until as 
always has ever been, only our Self remains :-)

Anything we see out there is a projection of our consciousness 
through our physiology; as these devata-particles clarify, the out 
there must of necessity also clarify. The world is as we are, and 
our devata-particles are those portions of Ourself which both 
separate Us from the world, and reunite Us All... A rough analogy 
would be our consciousness as the projector-light, the devatas as 
the film, and the out there as the movie-screen. However, in 
actuality, paying attention to the light interacting with the film 
actually clarifies the film so that it and the screen are also seen 
to be nothing but light, and actually not even that -- nothing but 
Us, the Unqualified, emptiful, pure potential to BE :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Dec 14, 2006, at 12:38 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On Dec 14, 2006, at 11:47 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  Judging from the picture, it sure looks like the Tibetan 
Buddhists
  beat the TMO to the punch regarding wearing silly stuff on 
their
  heads. I guess those TM Rajas don't look so weird after all? :-
)
 
  Pretty low bar you've set there.
 
  Sal
 
  Bar, belle?
 
 Better than a dumbelle, I guess. :)

Bellissimo! :-) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why do you have to be such a fucking idiot?  Leave Tibetan Buddhism 
alone. 
 It is only bothering me, and I am not even part of your stupid 
conversation. 
 If you guys keep at this shit I will leave the group as I cannot 
belong to a 
 place of people slandering my religion. A follower of the Dalai lama 
gave me 
 20,000 bucks after Katrina to help me. Not one of you silly fuckers 
helped 
 me for shit. So back the fuck off.
 
Geez, who pissed in *your* coffee this morning??

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:  Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour 
 of  some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL 
 neighborhood. :-)
   
 R: *lol* Mine is rather similar -- to point out that what we see 
is 
  what 
   we BE; our sensorium or drama-field out there is essentially 
a 
   brilliant manifestation of our own consciousness playing 
through 
  our 
   own physiology -- our own devata-particles -- and there is 
only 
  One of 
   Us, and We Love All of Us, and so on and so on...:-)
  
 J: I'm *being* good these days! lol! 
 
 R: Yes, I am! :-)
 
 J:What do you mean by devata-
  particles, and why do you equate that to the physiology? What do 
  they look like?
 
 They may appear as point-selves -- localizations or collapsings 
of 
 All-that-IS into intense bliss-points or I-selves -- which upon 
 closer look may resolve into specific classical devata-forms, 
angel-
 forms, god-forms, demon-forms, whatever. They are each and all 
upon 
 heart-embrace nothing other than Us. We are continually creating 
 them, sustaining them, and reabsorbing them. I equate them to the 
 physiology because that is what they are -- the intermediaries 
 through which consciousness (Rishi) creates creation (Chandas). 
Upon 
 closer look and fuller heart-embrace, there is nothing other than 
 Us...
 
 Your glass-houses analogy is a good one, for as the intellect 
 clarifies and clarifies, it gradually melts into translucence and 
 transparency, becomes more and more glass-like, more and more 
heart-
 filled, surrenders its I-thou distinctions more and more, until as 
 always has ever been, only our Self remains :-)
 
 Anything we see out there is a projection of our consciousness 
 through our physiology; as these devata-particles clarify, 
the out 
 there must of necessity also clarify. The world is as we are, and 
 our devata-particles are those portions of Ourself which both 
 separate Us from the world, and reunite Us All... A rough analogy 
 would be our consciousness as the projector-light, the devatas as 
 the film, and the out there as the movie-screen. However, in 
 actuality, paying attention to the light interacting with the film 
 actually clarifies the film so that it and the screen are also 
seen 
 to be nothing but light, and actually not even that -- nothing but 
 Us, the Unqualified, emptiful, pure potential to BE :-)

Thank you for this- I am familiar with all of the experiential 
dynamics you are describing here, but still don't get the context of 
the devata-particles. Are they beings that become visible within the 
localized body (Jim's two arms, legs, etc.), when we choose to look 
for them there, or viewed in our consciousness, though appearing 
external to ourselves?   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Why do you have to be such a fucking idiot?  

Why ask why? At this moment I am apparently a fucking idiot. What 
IS, IS :-)

Leave Tibetan Buddhism alone. 

You are missing the point, I think. MMY, the TMO, Tibetan Buddhism, 
George Bush, the Dalai Lama -- It is all a perfectly pure 
unqualified movie-screen of US upon which we project Our various 
dramas.

 It is only bothering me, and I am not even part of your stupid 
conversation. 

You are now :-)


 If you guys keep at this shit I will leave the group as I cannot 
belong to a 
 place of people slandering my religion. 

Hmmm I think you are now experiencing deep compassion for those 
(illusory) TM True Believers!

A follower of the Dalai lama gave me 
 20,000 bucks after Katrina to help me. Not one of you silly 
fuckers helped 
 me for shit. So back the fuck off.

I am very happy he gave you 20K! 
But on the other hand I am very sorry if you feel this silly fucker 
has not helped you for shit. 

But on the other hand, are we absolutely sure that this is true? 
How do we know it to be true? 
How do we feel when we hold that thought in our bodymind?

How would our bodymind feel if it didn't believe this particular 
thought as the absolute truth?

Are various reflections of this statement equally true? You haven't 
helped me... ? You haven't helped you...?
 
How about if we see that thought as a wounded particle-self, 
struggling to come back Home, and we give it some loving attention, 
some help? 

Love, Light and Laughter to You/Me/All of Us Always...:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Thank you for this- I am familiar with all of the experiential 
 dynamics you are describing here, but still don't get the context of 
 the devata-particles. Are they beings that become visible within the 
 localized body (Jim's two arms, legs, etc.), when we choose to look 
 for them there, or viewed in our consciousness, though appearing 
 external to ourselves?

I am not sure I get the distinction ... Is your body not viewed in 
your consciousness, though appearing external to yourself? :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  Thank you for this- I am familiar with all of the experiential 
  dynamics you are describing here, but still don't get the 
context of 
  the devata-particles. Are they beings that become visible within 
the 
  localized body (Jim's two arms, legs, etc.), when we choose to 
look 
  for them there, or viewed in our consciousness, though appearing 
  external to ourselves?
 
 I am not sure I get the distinction ... Is your body not viewed in 
 your consciousness, though appearing external to yourself? :-)

It figures. Thanks Rory- Always a pleasure to interact with you! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[nablusos108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
  Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
  anyone. This has nothing to do with Tibetan Buddhism
  *or* your pretend claim that some people here are...
  uh...TB TBs. It's all about having made a fool of 
  yourself a couple of days ago by posting some *really*
  stupid stuff, and about the fact that you're still 
  pissed with yourself about having done that. 
  
  I don't think it's helping to convince anyone here
  that you have achieved any kind of realization for 
  you to act like an obsessed fuck. In fact, I suspect 
  it's helping to convince them that you and realization
  are not quite on the friendly terms you have been
  hinting you are.
  
  This is just a suggestion. You can keep on trying to
  dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and 
  about Tibetan Buddhism as you like. He ain't my teacher, 
  and it's not my tradition, so it's not like it affects
  me one way or another. But I really do think you're off 
  the deep end on this one, Jim, 'way out in the Injured 
  Ego Gotta Get Revenge Zone, and that rarely works out 
  the way you think it will when you're caught up in the 
  middle of the obsession.
  
  Signing off now...you do what you think is right.
  But if you decide to keep this stuff up and it winds
  up comin' back on ya in ways you didn't foresee, don't
  say I didn't try to warn you.
 
 Lol! Quite a script you have going here! Sweet dreams.

Thats certainly 1 angre Barry. Now, what is this warning all about, 
will he send the CIA after you ? LOL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

 Geez, who pissed in *your* coffee this morning??


All you people who have no greater thing to do than sit around and badspeak 
holy people. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

Fuck it, you're on spam list Jim. Later. Maybe next life I'll read you 
again. Useless, waste of reading you are.

- Original Message - 
From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
 wrote:

  
  Thank you for this- I am familiar with all of the experiential
  dynamics you are describing here, but still don't get the
 context of
  the devata-particles. Are they beings that become visible within
 the
  localized body (Jim's two arms, legs, etc.), when we choose to
 look
  for them there, or viewed in our consciousness, though appearing
  external to ourselves?

 I am not sure I get the distinction ... Is your body not viewed in
 your consciousness, though appearing external to yourself? :-)

 It figures. Thanks Rory- Always a pleasure to interact with you!



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[nablusos108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why do you have to be such a fucking idiot?  Leave Tibetan Buddhism 
alone. 
 It is only bothering me, and I am not even part of your stupid 
conversation. 
 If you guys keep at this shit I will leave the group as I cannot 
belong to a 
 place of people slandering my religion. A follower of the Dalai 
lama gave me 
 20,000 bucks after Katrina to help me. Not one of you silly fuckers 
helped 
 me for shit. So back the fuck off.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:01 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
 wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@
 wrote:
   
Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama 
Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
   
http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/Kalachakra/dec.eng..htm
  
   Hi Rory,
  
   Thanks- looks interesting.
  
   Of course my intent in all this is more to provide a tour
   of some of the prominent glass houses here in our FFL
   neighborhood. :-)
 
  Jim, with all due respect, I don't think you're fooling
  anyone.
  This is just a suggestion. You can keep on trying to
  dig up and post as much dirt about the Dalai Lama and
  about Tibetan Buddhism as you like.
 
 Hi, Actually it was *Rory* who dug up and posted the last bit of
 dirt about the Dalai Lama and about Tibetan Buddhism, without any
 prompting from me I should add. (Even taking the paradox of Brahman
 into account, he and I continue to operate as seperate heads on the
 same body.) :-)
 
 Anyway, you reminded me. So here's more dirt:
 
 From 10-17-1994
 Best-selling Buddhist author accused of sexual abuse
 www.well.com/conf/media/SF_Free_Press/nov11/guru.html
 $10 million civil suit filed in Santa Cruz by a woman who says
 Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and
 Dying, coerced her into an intimate relationship
 
 By Don Lattin
 Special to the Free Press
 
 SAN FRANCISCO -- .a group of American Buddhist women have launched a
 campaign to expose the alleged sexual misconduct of a prominent
 Tibetan lama and best-selling author.
 
 Sogyal Rinpoche, author of the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, is
 accused of physical, mental and sexual abuse in a $10 million
 civil suit filed last week in Santa Cruz County Superior Court.
 
 According to the lawsuit, an anonymous woman identified only
 as Janice Doe came to Rinpoche for spiritual guidance last year at
 a retreat sponsored by the Rigpa Fellowship meditation center in
 Santa Cruz, but was coerced into an intimate relationship with the
 Tibetan guru.
 
 Sogyal claimed (she) would be strengthened and healed by having sex
 with him and that to be hit by a lama was a blessing, the lawsuit
 states.
 
 The suit -- which accuses Rinpoche of fraud, assault and battery,
 infliction of emotional distress and breach of fiduciary duty -- 
 also charges that the Tibetan lama has seduced many other female
 students for his own sexual gratification.
 
 Sandra Pawula, spokeswoman for the Rigpa Fellowship of Santa Cruz,
 one of many meditation centers in the United States, Europe and
 Australia, declined to comment about the allegations, but said that
 Rinpoche is not married and does not claim to be a celibate monk.
 Rinpoche, who lives abroad, could not be reached for comment. The
 lawsuit follows a letter-writing campaign to the Dalai Lama by
 American women concerned about alleged sexual exploitation by
 Rinpoche and several lesser-known Tibetan lamas.
 
 What some of these students have experienced is terrible and most
 unfortunate, said Tenzin Geyche Tethong, the Dharamsala-based
 secretary to the Dalai Lama.
 
 In a letter sent earlier this year to one of the women, Tethong said
 Tibetan Buddhist leaders have been aware of these (allegations) for
 some years now.
 
 Jack Kornfield, founder of Spirit Rock Meditation Center in Marin
 County, was among a group of two dozen Western teachers who
 discussed the sexual misconduct of Buddhist teachers with the Dalai
 Lama last year in India.
 
 According to Kornfield, the Tibetan Buddhist leader told the
 Americans to always let people know when things are wrong. Put it
 in the newspapers if you must do so.
 
 Another woman allegedly abused by Rinpoche, Victoria Barlow of New
 York City, said she is disgusted by the way the Tibetans have
 manipulated the reverence Westerners have for the Buddhist path.
 
 Barlow, 40, said she first met Rinpoche in the mid-1970s, when she
 was 21, and that she was sexually exploited by him during meditation
 retreats in New York and Berkeley.
 
 I went to an apartment to see a highly esteemed lama and discuss
 religion, she said in an interview with the Free Press. He opened
 the door without a shirt on and with a beer in his hand.
 
 Once they were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Careful now Mr. Flanegin; you could end up with both the CIA and 
 funny looking Tibetans at your door !

How will I tell the difference? ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Geez, who pissed in *your* coffee this morning??
 
 
 All you people who have no greater thing to do than sit around and 
badspeak 
 holy people.

One of my faves: Is a bear Catholic?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fuck it, you're on spam list Jim. Later. Maybe next life I'll read 
you 
 again. Useless, waste of reading you are.
 

***
from NYT Tech columnist

1. From the Desk of David Pogue: Whatever Happened to Online 
Etiquette?
==

Dear David, first off i would like to tell you that you are 
full of  and did not research the zune enough to know 
your facts. The following are incorrect, and not limited to: 
podcasts, giftcards, looks(which is an oppinion), controls, 
and content. Also i would like to inform you that on the day 
of the launch(nov 14) there is a sceduled firmware upgrade 
which will most likely disband the 3 by 3 rule [which limits 
songs beamed between Zunes to three playbacks within three 
days], and the zune marketplace is also to offer video 
content about one month after launch. In my oppinion you 
should be fired for wrighting such a biast article in a 
(somewhat)professional newspaper. Oh and in case you think i 
work for microsoft or have bad grammar, or something, you 
should know that im 15!

The deeper we sail into the new online world of 
communications, the sadder I get about its future. 

I'm OK with criticism, I'm fine with disagreement, I'm 
perfectly capable of handling angry mail. That's not the 
issue here (although my teenage correspondent above was, in 
fact, wrong about every single one of his points).

I've even accepted personal attacks as part of the job. I'm a 
columnist; the heat comes with the kitchen.

But what's really stunning is how hostile *ordinary* people 
are to each other online these days. 

Slashdot and Digg.com are extremely popular sites for tech 
fans. Each discussion begins with the presentation of an 
article or Web page--and then opens up the floor for 
discussion.

Lately, an increasing number of the discussions devolve into 
name-calling and bickering. Someone might submit, say, this 
item to Digg:

685 diggs. AWESOME astronomy poem. (posted by MetsFan 3 
days ago)

Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are.
Up above the world so high, like a diamond in the sky,
Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are.

Before long, the people's feedback begins, like this:

by baddude on 12/11/06

What's yr problem, moron. You already said it's a star, why 
would you then wonder what it is. Get a clue, or a life.

by neverland2 on 12/11/06

Dugg down as inaccurate. Stars do not twinkle. It's the 
shifting atmosphere that causes an apparent twinkle. Or were 
you stoned all through science class?

by mrobe on 12/11/06

yo neverland2--It's a poem, idiot. Nobody's claiming that 
stars twinkle. Ever heard of poetic license? 

Honestly, the intellectual level of you people is right up 
there with a gnat's.

..and so on.

What's worse is that the concentration of the nasty people 
increases as the civil ones get fed up and leave.

What's going on here?

My current theories:

* On the Internet, you're anonymous. Since you don't have to 
face the person you're dumping on, you don't see any reason 
to display courtesy.

* On the Internet, you're anonymous. You worry that your 
comments might get lost in the shuffle, so you lay it on 
thick to enhance your noticeability.

* The open toxicity is all part of the political climate. 
We've learned from the Red state-Blue state talking heads 
that open hostility can pass for meaningful conversation.

* Young people who spend lots of time online are, in essence, 
replacing in-person social interactions with these online 
exchanges. With so much less experience conversing in the 
real world, they haven't picked up on the value of treating 
people civilly. That is, they haven't yet hit the stage of 
life when getting things like friends, a spouse and a job 
depend on what kind of person you are. 

* Many parents haven't been teaching social skills (or 
haven't been around to teach them) for years, but Web 2.0 is 
suddenly making it apparent for the first time. (Web 2.0 
describes sites like Digg and Slashdot, where the audience 
itself provides material for the Web site.) 

I'd give just about anything to hear what 15-year-old Josh's 
parents would say if they knew how little respect he holds 
for adults (let alone the English language). Then again, 
maybe they wouldn't be surprised a bit.

The real shame, though, is that the kneejerk everyone else 
is an idiot tenor is poisoning the potential the Internet 
once had. People used to dream of a global village, where 
maybe we can work out our differences, where direct 
communication might make us realize that we have a lot in 
common after all, no matter where we live or what our 
beliefs.

But instead of finding common ground, we're finding new ways 
to spit on the other guy, to push them away. The Internet is 
making it easier to attack, not to embrace. 

Maybe as the Internet becomes as predominant as air, somebody 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Jeff Fischer]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting David Pogue of NY Times:
 Maybe as the Internet becomes as predominant as air, somebody 
 will realize that online behavior isn't just an afterthought. 
 Maybe, along with HTML and how to gauge a Web site's 
 credibility, schools and colleges will one day realize that 
 there's something else to teach about the Internet: Civility 
 101.



Here, here!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote:
 Quoting David Pogue of NY Times:
  Maybe as the Internet becomes as predominant as air, somebody 
  will realize that online behavior isn't just an afterthought. 
  Maybe, along with HTML and how to gauge a Web site's 
  credibility, schools and colleges will one day realize that 
  there's something else to teach about the Internet: Civility 
  101.
 
 
 
 Here, here!


What's the difference between hear! hear! and here, here!?  :0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Jeff Fischer]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's the difference between hear! hear! and here, here!?  :0

http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19980304

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Jason Spock]

 
   

  

Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:44:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

   
  The Trimondi's are Opus Dei fronts and were originally deployed by  
the then head of the inquisition, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger--now  
known as Pope Benedict XVI. They specialize in spreading  
disinformation regarding Tibetan Buddhism. Some of it is pretty  
hilarious.
   
   

 
-
Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question 
on Yahoo! Answers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   Thank you for this- I am familiar with all of the experiential 
   dynamics you are describing here, but still don't get the 
 context of 
   the devata-particles. Are they beings that become visible 
within 
 the 
   localized body (Jim's two arms, legs, etc.), when we choose to 
 look 
   for them there, or viewed in our consciousness, though 
appearing 
   external to ourselves?
  
  I am not sure I get the distinction ... Is your body not viewed 
in 
  your consciousness, though appearing external to yourself? :-)
 
 It figures. Thanks Rory- Always a pleasure to interact with you!

My pleasure, Jim! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[tanhlnx]

---Thanks for the inside info on the Tibetans!  Here's my Tibetan Guru, 
Lama Wangdu Rinpoche.  Somehow, I don't feel he's the type to carry on 
with sexual abuse...(I've met Sogyal Rinpoche and Kalu Rinpoche.  This 
news about them is surprising).
Lama Wangdu:
http://www.lamawangdu.org/photos.html

 


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ 
 wrote:
  Careful now Mr. Flanegin; you could end up with both the CIA and 
  funny looking Tibetans at your door !
 
 How will I tell the difference? ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@
wrote:
   
Jim, here's some more fodder for you -- on the Dalai Lama 
Tibetan Buddhism's secret agenda for world domination :-)
  
  What?! I thought that was the agenda for the Jews and the 
  homosexuals, or maybe it was Jewish homosexuals.  Glad to 
  hear that others are also with the program, though. Those 
  on the front lines will surely appreciate the help. :)
 
 Actually, Sal, this theory comes from the folks at 
 MICROSOFT, who really *are* set on world domination. 
 It's their reaction to the release, one April day a 
 few years ago, of a competitor to Windoze, Yellow Hat 
 GNU/Linux:
 
 http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/03/23/213251

Have you tried Microsoft's distro?

http://mslinux.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
   This Vaj/llundrup team, what payroll are they on ?
  
  Nablus, I notice that you say this from time to time.
  Do you really believe that there are people on this
  list that are getting paid by some sort of
  organization to sow disent and discord?
 
 Yes I do.


The question is, who pays Nablus to be such 
an ignorant bigot? 

Must be Benjamin Creme, because TMers do it
for free.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[nablusos108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
  wrote:
  
This Vaj/llundrup team, what payroll are they on ?
   
   Nablus, I notice that you say this from time to time.
   Do you really believe that there are people on this
   list that are getting paid by some sort of
   organization to sow disent and discord?
  
  Yes I do.
 
 
 The question is, who pays Nablus to be such 
 an ignorant bigot? 
 
 Must be Benjamin Creme, because TMers do it
 for free.

Thats your claim, and certainly your ignorance.

1 armed american caught on the bridge between Sonnenberg and the 
Kulm, Maharishis DC3 blown upp on an airport in Switzerland 20 
minutes before scheduled takeoff. That and other incidents certainly 
involved more resources than having a couple of souls exposing their 
ignorance on FFL. The times are changing. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
   
 This Vaj/llundrup team, what payroll are they on ?

Nablus, I notice that you say this from time to time.
Do you really believe that there are people on this
list that are getting paid by some sort of
organization to sow disent and discord?
   
   Yes I do.
  
  
  The question is, who pays Nablus to be such 
  an ignorant bigot? 
  
  Must be Benjamin Creme, because TMers do it
  for free.
 
 Thats your claim, and certainly your ignorance.
 
 1 armed american caught on the bridge between Sonnenberg and the 
 Kulm, Maharishis DC3 blown upp on an airport in Switzerland 20 
 minutes before scheduled takeoff. That and other incidents certainly 
 involved more resources than having a couple of souls exposing their 
 ignorance on FFL. The times are changing.


The times are changing, and yet the insane stay insane. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Peter]

--- nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Thats your claim, and certainly your ignorance.
 
 1 armed american caught on the bridge between
 Sonnenberg and the 
 Kulm, Maharishis DC3 blown upp on an airport in
 Switzerland 20 
 minutes before scheduled takeoff. That and other
 incidents certainly 
 involved more resources than having a couple of
 souls exposing their 
 ignorance on FFL. The times are changing.

I never heard of these before. Did you have a
trustworthy source for these alleged events?


 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 13, 2006, at 9:08 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@
wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@
wrote:





This Vaj/llundrup team, what payroll are they on ?



Nablus, I notice that you say this from time to time.
Do you really believe that there are people on this
list that are getting paid by some sort of
organization to sow disent and discord?



Yes I do.




The question is, who pays Nablus to be such
an ignorant bigot?

Must be Benjamin Creme, because TMers do it
for free.



Thats your claim, and certainly your ignorance.

1 armed american caught on the bridge between Sonnenberg and the
Kulm, Maharishis DC3 blown upp on an airport in Switzerland 20
minutes before scheduled takeoff. That and other incidents certainly
involved more resources than having a couple of souls exposing their
ignorance on FFL. The times are changing.




The times are changing, and yet the insane stay insane. :-)


I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on Mahesh  
via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to see.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[nablusos108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 --- nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  
  Thats your claim, and certainly your ignorance.
  
  1 armed american caught on the bridge between
  Sonnenberg and the 
  Kulm, Maharishis DC3 blown upp on an airport in
  Switzerland 20 
  minutes before scheduled takeoff. That and other
  incidents certainly 
  involved more resources than having a couple of
  souls exposing their 
  ignorance on FFL. The times are changing.
 
 I never heard of these before. Did you have a
 trustworthy source for these alleged events?

 
I would not post it here if I did not trust the sources. 
10 minutes before the bomb went off an asiansounding fellow called 
the airport and told them to get the pilotes out of the plane.
In Seelisberg there where several instances involving armed men, all 
aborted. Rather quickly afterwards WYMS became responsible for 
security, with metaldetectors and all that.
Many have tried to get rid of Maharishi. As we know without success. 
Maharishi simply did not show up for the planned events.


There most probably will be made atempts on Maitreya also when He 
starts His open work. Those will also be unsuccessful.

Anyone who challenges established truths in a big way, involving 
many people, could be faced with these energies in some form or 
another.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on 
Mahesh  
 via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to 
see.

Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both the 
Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to TM, 
Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of 
references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom in 
Austria and the Netherlands. 

Regarding the Dalai Lama:
From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf

During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S. 
Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama and 
his followers, including political action, propaganda, and 
paramilitary activity... 

Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda 
efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower 
administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and 
Johnson administrations...

The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5 
million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla 
political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.

...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai Lama, 
have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of 
political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.

Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for 
Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally. 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on


Mahesh


via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to


see.





Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both the
Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to TM,
Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of
references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom in
Austria and the Netherlands.



Isn't this the religious party M. backs? If so, no wonder the CIA has  
their eyes on him! Perhaps the TMO is just a front org for milking  
the cash-laden untouchables of the west.


http://www.proxsa.org/politics/hindutva/partha.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snipPerhaps the TMO is just a front org for milking  
 the cash-laden untouchables of the west.
 
Gotta agree with you there- That is certainly one of its attributes; a 
co-dependent sort of relationship, between those thinking themselves 
untouchables out of a false sense of humility, their cash, and the TMO 
on the milking stool! Lol! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on 
 Mahesh  
  via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to 
 see.
 
 Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both the 
 Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to TM, 
 Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of 
 references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom in 
 Austria and the Netherlands. 
 
 Regarding the Dalai Lama:
 From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
 http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf
 
 During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S. 
 Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama and 
 his followers, including political action, propaganda, and 
 paramilitary activity... 
 
 Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda 
 efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower 
 administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and 
 Johnson administrations...
 
 The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5 
 million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla 
 political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
 
 ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai Lama, 
 have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of 
 political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
 
 Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for 
 Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.


Enemy of my enemy... Playing them off against China. And China is STILL an 
enemy, 
according to the neocons. The most important long-term reason to invade Iraq 
was to 
create military bases  there in order to have a friendly place to position 
American troops in 
order to bring pressure to bear on China, or so the PNAC white paper, signed 
off by 
everybody who was anybody in the first BW administration, says, including 
Brother Jeb.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  --- nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote:
  
  
   
   Thats your claim, and certainly your ignorance.
   
   1 armed american caught on the bridge between
   Sonnenberg and the 
   Kulm, Maharishis DC3 blown upp on an airport in
   Switzerland 20 
   minutes before scheduled takeoff. That and other
   incidents certainly 
   involved more resources than having a couple of
   souls exposing their 
   ignorance on FFL. The times are changing.
  
  I never heard of these before. Did you have a
  trustworthy source for these alleged events?
 
  
 I would not post it here if I did not trust the sources. 
 10 minutes before the bomb went off an asiansounding fellow called 
 the airport and told them to get the pilotes out of the plane.
 In Seelisberg there where several instances involving armed men, all 
 aborted. Rather quickly afterwards WYMS became responsible for 
 security, with metaldetectors and all that.
 Many have tried to get rid of Maharishi. As we know without success. 
 Maharishi simply did not show up for the planned events.
 
 
 There most probably will be made atempts on Maitreya also when He 
 starts His open work. Those will also be unsuccessful.
 
 Anyone who challenges established truths in a big way, involving 
 many people, could be faced with these energies in some form or 
 another.


If these incidents happened, they were likely due to spriitual politics back in 
India, not the 
actions of theCIA.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on


Mahesh


via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to


see.





Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both the
Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to TM,
Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of
references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom in
Austria and the Netherlands.

Regarding the Dalai Lama:
From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf

During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S.
Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama and
his followers, including political action, propaganda, and
paramilitary activity...

Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda
efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower
administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and
Johnson administrations...

The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5
million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla
political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.

...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai Lama,
have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of
political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.

Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for
Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.


I imagine that there is still active espionage going on or it is so  
controversial there will be some time till it is released. It's not  
surprising that any radical religious zealot would be a target of CIA  
activities--esp. one bent on world domination like M.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
  I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on
 
  Mahesh
 
  via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to
 
  see.
 
 
 
  Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both the
  Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to TM,
  Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of
  references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom in
  Austria and the Netherlands.
 
 
 Isn't this the religious party M. backs? If so, no wonder the CIA has  
 their eyes on him! Perhaps the TMO is just a front org for milking  
 the cash-laden untouchables of the west.
 
 http://www.proxsa.org/politics/hindutva/partha.html


Don't think so. The ABP disbanded, but I don't think it joined one of the major 
parties.Think it merged with another minor party some time ago.

http://www.allstates-flag.com/fotw/flags/in%7D.html#abp

Ajeya Bharat Party
Ajeya Bharat Party has been founded with the pure and pious intention to 
establish life in 
happiness, peace, unprecedented prosperity, equality, health, invincibility, 
and wholeness 
for all time to come.


As an aside, Vasudevananda is with the VHP though it is not affiliated with any 
specific 
part and has support from at least some of the BJP. Swaroopananda is anti-VHP 
and his 
association with the BJP appears to go up and down Incidentally, Swaroopananda 
was a 
close friend of one of the Gandhis, which could explain a lot of the political 
maneuvering 
in his favor over Swaroopananda.

Here's a fun little news item:
Hindu News  Today's Headlines   
Six hurt as followers of two seers clash
2005-02-09 Published by The Hindu Gathered by Press Trust of India

ALLAHABAD,FEBRUARY 9: At least six people were injured in a clash between 
followers of 
two seers at the Magh Mela area near here, police said on wednesday. Trouble 
erupted last 
night when devotees of Dwarka Sharda Peeth Shankaracharya Swaroopananda 
Saraswati 
barged into the camp of Jyotishpeeth Badrikashram Pontiff Vasudevananda 
Saraswati to 
serve a court order to the latter, Circle Officer Rajesh Yadav, told PTI here. 
The followers of 
both camps came to blows and the situation was brought under control only after 
a police 
party reached the site and used mild force to quell the mob. Police lodged an 
FIR on behalf 
of Swami Vasudevananda accusing Swami Sswaroopananda and his followers of 
creating 
disturbance at his camp and assaulting his devotees, Yadav said. Tension has 
been 
brewing for some time between the two seers over the issue of control of the 
Jyotishpeeth 
Badrikashram, which is at present controlled by Swami Vasudevananda. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As an aside, Vasudevananda is with the VHP though it is not affiliated with 
 any specific 
 part and has support from at least some of the BJP. Swaroopananda is anti-VHP 
 and his 
 association with the BJP appears to go up and down Incidentally, 
 Swaroopananda was a 
 close friend of one of the Gandhis, which could explain a lot of the 
 political maneuvering 
 in his favor over Swaroopananda.
 

should read: over VASUdevananda...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
   I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on 
  Mahesh  
   via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting 
to 
  see.
  
  Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both 
the 
  Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to 
TM, 
  Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of 
  references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom 
in 
  Austria and the Netherlands. 
  
  Regarding the Dalai Lama:
  From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
  http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf
  
  During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S. 
  Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama 
and 
  his followers, including political action, propaganda, and 
  paramilitary activity... 
  
  Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda 
  efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower 
  administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and 
  Johnson administrations...
  
  The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5 
  million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla 
  political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
  
  ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai 
Lama, 
  have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of 
  political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
  
  Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for 
  Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.
 
 
 Enemy of my enemy... Playing them off against China. And China is 
STILL an enemy, 
 according to the neocons. The most important long-term reason to 
invade Iraq was to 
 create military bases  there in order to have a friendly place to 
position American troops in 
 order to bring pressure to bear on China, or so the PNAC white 
paper, signed off by 
 everybody who was anybody in the first BW administration, says, 
including Brother Jeb.

I heard oil control as well to China, Europe and Japan.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
  I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on
 
  Mahesh
 
  via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting to
 
  see.
 
 
 
  Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both 
the
  Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to 
TM,
  Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of
  references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom 
in
  Austria and the Netherlands.
 
  Regarding the Dalai Lama:
  From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
  http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf
 
  During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S.
  Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama 
and
  his followers, including political action, propaganda, and
  paramilitary activity...
 
  Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda
  efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower
  administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and
  Johnson administrations...
 
  The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5
  million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla
  political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
 
  ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai Lama,
  have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of
  political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
 
  Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for
  Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.
 
 I imagine that there is still active espionage going on or it is 
so  
 controversial there will be some time till it is released. It's 
not  
 surprising that any radical religious zealot would be a target of 
CIA  
 activities--esp. one bent on world domination like M.

re: world domination- well, you gotta start somewhere...:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

This sort of guru bashing leads to hell.


- Original Message - 
From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
   I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on 
  Mahesh  
   via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting 
to 
  see.
  
  Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both 
the 
  Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to 
TM, 
  Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of 
  references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom 
in 
  Austria and the Netherlands. 
  
  Regarding the Dalai Lama:
  From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
  http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf
  
  During the first Nixon administration (1969-1972), the U.S. 
  Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama 
and 
  his followers, including political action, propaganda, and 
  paramilitary activity... 
  
  Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda 
  efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower 
  administration(1957-1961) and continued through the Kennedy and 
  Johnson administrations...
  
  The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5 
  million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla 
  political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
  
  ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai 
Lama, 
  have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of 
  political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
  
  Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for 
  Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.
 
 
 Enemy of my enemy... Playing them off against China. And China is 
STILL an enemy, 
 according to the neocons. The most important long-term reason to 
invade Iraq was to 
 create military bases  there in order to have a friendly place to 
position American troops in 
 order to bring pressure to bear on China, or so the PNAC white 
paper, signed off by 
 everybody who was anybody in the first BW administration, says, 
including Brother Jeb.

I heard oil control as well to China, Europe and Japan.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This sort of guru bashing leads to hell.
 
Oh, is that where we are? :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

No, that's the result of doubting the source of the path you're on or have 
been on. To bash the way is to bash oneself.


- Original Message - 
From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This sort of guru bashing leads to hell.

 Oh, is that where we are? :-)



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[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, that's the result of doubting the source of the path you're on 
or have 
 been on. To bash the way is to bash oneself.
 
Sounds like walking backwards into the future.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get the CIA reports on 
   Mahesh  
via the Freedom of Information Act? That would be interesting 
 to 
   see.
   
   Interesting point- Prompted by your remark, I was searching both 
 the 
   Department of State and CIA websites just now for references to 
 TM, 
   Maharishi, and the Dalai Lama. Not much on TM- A couple of 
   references on the State Dept. website regarding relgious freedom 
 in 
   Austria and the Netherlands. 
   
   Regarding the Dalai Lama:
   From Questions Pertaining to Tibet (1969-1972)--
   http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/70146.pdf
   
   During the first Nixon administration (1969–1972), the U.S. 
   Government continued its decade-long support of the Dalai Lama 
 and 
   his followers, including political action, propaganda, and 
   paramilitary activity... 
   
   Funds also were provided to the Dalai Lama for his propaganda 
   efforts ...This operation began during the second Eisenhower 
   administration(1957–1961) and continued through the Kennedy and 
   Johnson administrations...
   
   The total cost of the Tibetan program ...was approximately $2.5 
   million per year with $500,000 of that figure for non-guerrilla 
   political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
   
   ...CIA Tibetan activities, utilizing followers of the Dalai 
 Lama, 
   have included in addition to guerrilla support a program of 
   political, propaganda, and intelligence operations.
   
   Interesting that Maharishi claims the CIA opposes him, but for 
   Tibetan Buddhists, the CIA was an ally.
  
  
  Enemy of my enemy... Playing them off against China. And China is 
 STILL an enemy, 
  according to the neocons. The most important long-term reason to 
 invade Iraq was to 
  create military bases  there in order to have a friendly place to 
 position American troops in 
  order to bring pressure to bear on China, or so the PNAC white 
 paper, signed off by 
  everybody who was anybody in the first BW administration, says, 
 including Brother Jeb.
 
 I heard oil control as well to China, Europe and Japan.


That's a mid-term consideration. They were thinking of the needs of a post-oil 
world...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, that's the result of doubting the source of the path you're on or have 
 been on. To bash the way is to bash oneself.

That's a great recipe for being manipulated by cult leaders, if I ever heard 
one. Sounds like 
bhakti turned on its head.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You just seem angry to me.
 
 -Rather petulant and childish to me.,___

Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sounds like the Maharishi Gulag program.  
  I think 60 Minutes might want 
   to do a story.
  
  Looks a little more like the Warsaw ghetto, confined inside and 
  life going on outside.
 
 ***
 
 To a householder, the recluse life looks impoverished, but to the 
 recluses like these pundits, householder life is just mud...

Bob, you *really* need to see Khyentse Norbu's brilliant
film The Cup. Recluses are just people, no matter how
those outside the fence want to imagine them as something
else.

It sounds as if these perticular people long for warm
clothes and to be treated as if they were human beings,
not imported slave labor. They have my best wishes, 
because it looks as if they're going to need them...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote:
 
  You just seem angry to me.
  
  -Rather petulant and childish to me.,___
 
 Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
 He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.

Obviously something is still bothering you...I remain cheerful and 
unaffected, same as yesterday. It was very interesting to watch your 
behavior and Vaj's once the shoe was on the other foot though- Looking 
a lot like True Believers! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote:
 
  You just seem angry to me.
  
  -Rather petulant and childish to me.,___
 
 Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
 He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.

The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj yesterday 
was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much of 
what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in the 
context of evaluating TM and Maharishi. 

So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM and 
Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of them, I 
decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of all 
of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their 
practices as I do to my own?

And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers 
you!...Lol! :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

 It sounds as if these perticular people long for warm
 clothes and to be treated as if they were human beings,
 not imported slave labor. They have my best wishes,
 because it looks as if they're going to need them...


-If your ultimate usefulness is your consciousness then it's as if you 
have your whole life ordered to that, just as the whole orange tree is 
squeezed into containers for your juicy pleasure. If some pundit grows a 
pair of balls they can escape. It would make a great movie. These persons in 
the US to bring enlightenment who don't know how to do anything. Great 
irony. I guess it already was made into movies before like the Garp flick 
and so onSeems to be a continuum that those who think they're smartest 
do the stupidest things. God is an irone. Isn't that what someone said 
recently? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

 Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
 He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.

-Frankly, his lack of understanding, wish to trample my religion 
(whether he was right or not), and wish to beat Vaj at some game have 
lowered my estimation of him. I didn't know he was such a putz.This is why 
people that take pictures with gurus and post them on the internet as if 
they mean something are not to be trusted. I had thought Jim was a wiser, 
smarter person. I guess one expects more maturity from others as they all 
get older. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
  Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
  He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.
 
 -Frankly, his lack of understanding, wish to trample my 
religion 
 (whether he was right or not), and wish to beat Vaj at some game 
have 
 lowered my estimation of him. I didn't know he was such a 
putz.This is why 
 people that take pictures with gurus and post them on the internet 
as if 
 they mean something are not to be trusted. I had thought Jim was a 
wiser, 
 smarter person. I guess one expects more maturity from others as 
they all 
 get older.

I am sorry but your sentimental recount of my actions yesterday is  
incorrect. And I don't get the reference to taking pictures with 
gurus above. You are not referring to me. You've heard the 
ewxpression, If you can't take the heat Own it please. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:49 AM, llundrub wrote:


It sounds as if these perticular people long for warm
clothes and to be treated as if they were human beings,
not imported slave labor. They have my best wishes,
because it looks as if they're going to need them...




-If your ultimate usefulness is your consciousness then it's as  
if you

have your whole life ordered to that, just as the whole orange tree is
squeezed into containers for your juicy pleasure. If some pundit  
grows a
pair of balls they can escape. It would make a great movie. These  
persons in

the US to bring enlightenment who don't know how to do anything. Great
irony. I guess it already was made into movies before like the Garp  
flick
and so onSeems to be a continuum that those who think they're  
smartest

do the stupidest things. God is an irone. Isn't that what someone said
recently?



My biggest surprise was that no one seemed concerned that the TMer's  
cleaning their toilets could do so because they were viewed as  
untouchables.


It also should give some insight into how M. views his western  
followers.


Time to call Amnesty International?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:49 AM, llundrub wrote:
 
  It sounds as if these perticular people long for warm
  clothes and to be treated as if they were human beings,
  not imported slave labor. They have my best wishes,
  because it looks as if they're going to need them...
 
 
 
  -If your ultimate usefulness is your consciousness then it's 
as  
  if you
  have your whole life ordered to that, just as the whole orange 
tree is
  squeezed into containers for your juicy pleasure. If some pundit  
  grows a
  pair of balls they can escape. It would make a great movie. 
These  
  persons in
  the US to bring enlightenment who don't know how to do anything. 
Great
  irony. I guess it already was made into movies before like the 
Garp  
  flick
  and so onSeems to be a continuum that those who think 
they're  
  smartest
  do the stupidest things. God is an irone. Isn't that what someone 
said
  recently?
 
 
 My biggest surprise was that no one seemed concerned that the 
TMer's  
 cleaning their toilets could do so because they were viewed as  
 untouchables.

That's how you interpret Some western staff men are
allowed in daily to clean the things reserved for
'dalits' - untouchable??

 It also should give some insight into how M. views his western  
 followers.
 
 Time to call Amnesty International?

Pathological.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote:
  
   You just seem angry to me.
   
   -Rather petulant and childish to me.,___
  
  Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
  He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.
 
 The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj yesterday 
 was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much of 
 what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in the 
 context of evaluating TM and Maharishi. 
 
 So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM and 
 Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of them, I 
 decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of all 
 of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their 
 practices as I do to my own?
 
 And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers 
 you!...Lol! :-)

Please produce anything in either my posts of Vaj's
that sounded True Believer like to you. My entire
exchange with you yesterday was to help you realize
how much of a solipsist you are -- you just make
pronouncements, as if the fact that you have come
to believe something makes it an actual fact. Each
time I did that, you refused to respond. *Then* you
started in with the stuff about Tibetan Buddhism,
which I don't think *anyone* here believes was any-
thing but anger on your part. I didn't deal with it
per se -- it ain't my job to defend Tibetan Buddhism,
especially because I'm technically not a Tibetan
Buddhist :-) -- and concentrated on pointing out 
the utter stupidity of some of the things you were 
saying.

And you see that as True Believerism. Ok. Whatever
floats your boat.  :-)

In the light of the next day (and, as opposed to
yesterday, sobriety), do you *really* stand behind 
your claim that TM eliminates suffering and creates 
world peace, the way you originally presented it, as 
an indisuputable fact? 

That was clearly one of the stupidest things I've 
ever heard *any* TMer say, and you still haven't 
addressed it. I'd love to hear you try.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:49 AM, llundrub wrote:
 
  It sounds as if these perticular people long for warm
  clothes and to be treated as if they were human beings,
  not imported slave labor. They have my best wishes,
  because it looks as if they're going to need them...
 
 
 
  -If your ultimate usefulness is your consciousness then it's as  
  if you
  have your whole life ordered to that, just as the whole orange tree is
  squeezed into containers for your juicy pleasure. If some pundit  
  grows a
  pair of balls they can escape. It would make a great movie. These  
  persons in
  the US to bring enlightenment who don't know how to do anything. Great
  irony. I guess it already was made into movies before like the Garp  
  flick
  and so onSeems to be a continuum that those who think they're  
  smartest
  do the stupidest things. God is an irone. Isn't that what someone said
  recently?
 
 
 My biggest surprise was that no one seemed concerned that the TMer's  
 cleaning their toilets could do so because they were viewed as  
 untouchables.
 
 It also should give some insight into how M. views his western  
 followers.
 
 Time to call Amnesty International?


For the TM volunteers playing at being untouchables for a bunch of 
over-privleged 
brhamin pundits with personal chefs?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ 
wrote:
   
You just seem angry to me.

-Rather petulant and childish to me.,___
   
   Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
   He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.
  
  The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj 
yesterday 
  was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much 
of 
  what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in 
the 
  context of evaluating TM and Maharishi. 
  
  So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM 
and 
  Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of 
them, I 
  decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of 
all 
  of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their 
  practices as I do to my own?
  
  And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers 
  you!...Lol! :-)
 
 Please produce anything in either my posts of Vaj's
 that sounded True Believer like to you. My entire
 exchange with you yesterday was to help you realize
 how much of a solipsist you are -- you just make
 pronouncements, as if the fact that you have come
 to believe something makes it an actual fact. 

You have your opinions and I have mine. I thought we had cleared 
that up yesterday. I will continue to think of both you and Vaj as 
True Believers, which I define as those willing to be less critical 
of their own beliefs than they are those of others. Tibetan Buddhism 
ain't all its cracked up to be. *IMO*.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ 
wrote:
   
You just seem angry to me.

-Rather petulant and childish to me.,___
   
   Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
   He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.
  
  The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj 
yesterday 
  was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much 
of 
  what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in 
the 
  context of evaluating TM and Maharishi. 
  
  So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM 
and 
  Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of 
them, I 
  decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of 
all 
  of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their 
  practices as I do to my own?
  
  And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers 
  you!...Lol! :-)
 
 Please produce anything in either my posts of Vaj's
 that sounded True Believer like to you. 

The thing I find humorous about all of this is you first agreed with 
me yesterday that all was opinion; your stuff, my stuff, Vaj's 
stuff, traditions' stuff, Everyone's stuff, and then you keep asking 
me for evidence. Of what? My opinions? Lol!!! So what if I present 
them as facts? You've got an easy out- Don't Believe Me! Start 
learning to live with some of that ambiguity and paradox you talk  
about. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You have your opinions and I have mine. I thought we had cleared 
 that up yesterday. I will continue to think of both you and Vaj as 
 True Believers, which I define as those willing to be less critical 
 of their own beliefs than they are those of others. Tibetan Buddhism 
 ain't all its cracked up to be. *IMO*.

Fair enough. Good to see you sober again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[kaladevi93]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ 
 wrote:

 You just seem angry to me.
 
 -Rather petulant and childish to me.,___

Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.
   
   The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj 
 yesterday 
   was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much 
 of 
   what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in 
 the 
   context of evaluating TM and Maharishi. 
   
   So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM 
 and 
   Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of 
 them, I 
   decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of 
 all 
   of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their 
   practices as I do to my own?
   
   And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers 
   you!...Lol! :-)
  
  Please produce anything in either my posts of Vaj's
  that sounded True Believer like to you. My entire
  exchange with you yesterday was to help you realize
  how much of a solipsist you are -- you just make
  pronouncements, as if the fact that you have come
  to believe something makes it an actual fact. 
 
 You have your opinions and I have mine. I thought we had cleared 
 that up yesterday. I will continue to think of both you and Vaj as 
 True Believers, which I define as those willing to be less critical 
 of their own beliefs than they are those of others. Tibetan Buddhism 
 ain't all its cracked up to be. *IMO*.


If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to him or heard his 
talk on 
Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine spirituality is anarchistic by nature...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to him 
or heard his talk on 
 Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine spirituality is anarchistic by 
nature...

Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a 
spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much 
aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh well, 
one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
snip
  Please produce anything in either my posts of Vaj's
  that sounded True Believer like to you. 
 
 The thing I find humorous about all of this is you first agreed
 with me yesterday that all was opinion; your stuff, my stuff,
 Vaj's stuff, traditions' stuff, Everyone's stuff, and then you
 keep asking me for evidence. Of what? My opinions? Lol!!! So
 what if I present them as facts? You've got an easy out- Don't 
 Believe Me! Start learning to live with some of that ambiguity
 and paradox you talk about.

A little self-knowledge wouldn't hurt either.

I think Barry's complaint about your purported
solipsism is *the* funniest thing I've read from
him both here and in over 10 years on alt.m.t,
and that's saying something.  It's just astonishing
that those words could issue from his keyboard
without burning his fingers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[kaladevi93]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote:
  If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to him 
 or heard his talk on 
  Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine spirituality is anarchistic by 
 nature...
 
 Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a 
 spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much 
 aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh well, 
 one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?


Don't know much about the Naths do ya Jim?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote:
  If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to him 
  or heard his talk on Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine spirituality 
  is anarchistic by nature...
 
 Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a 
 spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much 
 aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh well, 
 one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?

It's official. Jim has become Judy.

Must be the soybeans.

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[Vaj]

On Dec 12, 2006, at 2:00 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote:


If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to him
or heard his talk on Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine spirituality
is anarchistic by nature...



Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a
spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much
aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh well,
one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?



It's official. Jim has become Judy.

Must be the soybeans.

:-)


I always just assumed he was holding his quartz crystal too tightly.

They are very similar. He doesn't even realize that the basic  
precepts of spiritual anarchy are actually on the FFL front page:


Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe  
what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher.  
But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be  
kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings  
-- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~  
Dharma-pada, Buddha Shakyamuni


I can recommend no less.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to 
him 
  or heard his talk on 
   Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine spirituality is anarchistic 
by 
  nature...
  
  Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a 
  spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much 
  aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh 
well, 
  one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?
 
 
 Don't know much about the Naths do ya Jim?

Please explain.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to 
him 
   or heard his talk on Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine 
spirituality 
   is anarchistic by nature...
  
  Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a 
  spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much 
  aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh 
well, 
  one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?
 
 It's official. Jim has become Judy.
 
 Must be the soybeans.
 
 :-)

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 12, 2006, at 2:00 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@  
  wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to 
him
  or heard his talk on Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine 
spirituality
  is anarchistic by nature...
 
 
  Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a
  spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much
  aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh 
well,
  one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, 
eh?
 
 
  It's official. Jim has become Judy.
 
  Must be the soybeans.
 
  :-)
 
 I always just assumed he was holding his quartz crystal too 
tightly.
 
 They are very similar. He doesn't even realize that the basic  
 precepts of spiritual anarchy are actually on the FFL front page:
 
 Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not 
believe  
 what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the 
teacher.  
 But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to 
be  
 kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all 
beings  
 -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. 
~  
 Dharma-pada, Buddha Shakyamuni
 
 I can recommend no less.

Got it, Ken.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[jim_flanegin]

 Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
 He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.

The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj yesterday
was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much of
what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in the
context of evaluating TM and Maharishi.

So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM and
Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of them, I
decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of all
of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their
practices as I do to my own?

And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers
you!...Lol! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[nablusos108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
  He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.
 
 -Frankly, his lack of understanding, wish to trample my religion 
 (whether he was right or not), and wish to beat Vaj at some game have 
 lowered my estimation of him. I didn't know he was such a putz.This 
is why 
 people that take pictures with gurus and post them on the internet as 
if 
 they mean something are not to be trusted. I had thought Jim was a 
wiser, 
 smarter person. I guess one expects more maturity from others as they 
all 
 get older.

This Vaj/llundrup team, what payroll are they on ?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

- Original Message - 
From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info


 Surprisingly so. It's unlike Jim to be this angry.
 He must have had a twist in his panties yesterday.

 The other remark I have about my challenges to you and Vaj yesterday
 was that here you sit day after day after day, challenging much of
 what TM is and who Maharishi is, and all who respond do so in the
 context of evaluating TM and Maharishi.
 
 So yesterday, understanding that I apply merciless rigor to TM and
 Maharishi and the TMO with regard to my acceptance or not of them, I
 decided why should Turq and Vaj be getting a free ride out of all
 of this? Why not apply the same rigor and scrutiny to their
 practices as I do to my own?
 
 And the results were very eye opening, you True Believers
 you!...Lol! :-)




Om mani peme hung

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[llundrub]

 This Vaj/llundrup team, what payroll are they on ?


We're not on a team, we're merely up your tight ass.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info

[nablusos108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 12, 2006, at 2:00 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@  
  wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  If you think Vaj is a TB, I guess you never really talked to 
him
  or heard his talk on Spiritual Anarchy and how genuine 
spirituality
  is anarchistic by nature...
 
 
  Kind of funny to say someone that calls himself Vajranatha is a
  spiritual anarchist, don't you think? That name sounds very much
  aligned with organized religion, probably Tibetan Buddhism. Oh 
well,
  one person's spiritual anarchist is another's religous shill, eh?
 
 
  It's official. Jim has become Judy.
 
  Must be the soybeans.
 
  :-)
 
 I always just assumed he was holding his quartz crystal too tightly.
 
 They are very similar. He doesn't even realize that the basic  
 precepts of spiritual anarchy are actually on the FFL front page:
 
 Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not 
believe  
 what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher.  
 But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be  
 kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all 
beings  
 -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. 
~  
 Dharma-pada, Buddha Shakyamuni
 
 I can recommend no less.

How about putting those nice words into practise Vaj ? 

Which is the problem with all organized religion, including Tibetan 
Buddism, they love words, prayers and cermonies, but is has little or 
no transformative power.
 
Unlike TM I might add.