The immediate urgent priority for national and world peace is to join the
Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators practicing meditation
in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the
precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
-Buck in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
What do we know about what experiences are like in the absence of a
body that are not second hand descriptions from some other source? I
recall the actor Kirk Douglas being asked about experiences he had after
being in a
Yay and thank you! Just as long as you don't think I'm as perfect as I think
you are. And yes, I'm sure you have quirks and flaws too (-:
Thanks too for Les Miz rec. My ex told me it's a real tear jerker and he's
pretty Aquarian, by which I mean unemotional. If he says it's a tear jerker, I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
Yay and thank you! Just as long as you don't think I'm as perfect
as I think you are. And yes, I'm sure you have quirks and flaws too
(-:
That's me, in spades!
Thanks too for Les Miz rec. My ex told me it's a real tear jerker
and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
What do we know about what experiences are like in the absence of a
body that are not second hand descriptions from some other source? I
recall the actor
Xeno, I'm thoroughly enjoying the back and forth you're having with Edg. Thank
you both. I'm replying to 3 of your posts here, no particular order. Mostly
I'm commenting but have one question at the end.
I too appreciate Adyashanti's model of head, heart and gut. I'm thinking those
3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
Xeno, I'm thoroughly enjoying the back and forth you're having with Edg.Â
Thank you both. I'm replying to 3 of your posts here, no particular order.Â
Mostly I'm commenting but have one question at the end.Â
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do.
Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at
more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in
thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of
I Remember that the focus on money was the very first thing I started to wonder
about in the years when I thought TM was the best things since sliced bread -
speaking of which you would have been there when I was the baker - so if you
ever ate in Annapurna you ate my bread and desserts - hope
Yeah, there were some good desserts in those days. I ate lunch at Annapurna
every day. I never ran into that Vince character, thank goodness.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
I Remember that the focus on money was the very first thing I started to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
Ques to Xeno: What do you think is the body's role in enlightenment? By
body I also mean the physical aspects of the brain. I agree with your
statement about perception determining whether one lives in heaven or
Xeno, thank you for this reply and Happy New Year too. Hope you're feeling
lots better.
I enjoyed looking up hylotheism and am answering you from Message View since
your post has not yet arrived in my inbox. Maybe it will arrive next year (-:
Anyway, I am of the same mind when it comes to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote:
Good Lord but life can be so deep and sweet. It takes my breath away.
So grateful...
That's what I mean - kindred spirit.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
From: feste37 feste37@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM
Whoa, that was excellent. Couple thoughts...
It does seem like TM can get people to the very edge of some kind of awakening,
but the shift often requires being pushed off the TM treadmill by
someone/something outside the TMO.
As for the TMO no longer talking about enlightenment, that may be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
Whoa, that [Xeno's rap below] was excellent. Couple thoughts...
It does seem like TM can get people to the very edge of some
kind of awakening, but the shift often requires being pushed
off the TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
From: feste37 feste37@
To:
Ann one of these days I am gonna come to Vancouver to visit with you and your
husband - but please don't ask me to ride - I know how to feed a horse and
clean out the hooves and how to daub that pink goop you put on any cuts or
abrasions so flies don't devil them - maybe you don't have to deal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:
Hey MJ,
You make a lot of valid points. But keep in mind, here you are posting
pretty much non stop on this forum, so something made a deep impression
on you.
It sounds like your cherry got busted by M just as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
Whoa, that was excellent. Couple thoughts...
It does seem like TM can get people to the very edge of some kind of
awakening, but the shift often requires being pushed off the TM treadmill by
This will give me something to think about on the way home. We're getting ready
to head out. On the drive to Denver though, we'll be listening to book II of
Hunger Games, so maybe on the plane.
But I will enjoy revisiting the unfoldment of Agni Me Le. Thank you for your
post.
--- In
In the first place I am not trying to upset anyone with my carefully chosen and
always shining with golden truth words and erudite wisdom.
Second you are absolutely correct that there are LOTS of former TM'ers who are
not happy about the con artist job Marsh and company did on the world and
You are so full of resentment and anger. If the TM is so bad, how come it took
you so long to spot it? You are quick to blame the behavior of others, but what
was it about you that fell for it all? You seem to feel you were cheated. What
was it about you, then, that made you such an easy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
Whoa, that was excellent. Couple thoughts...
It does seem like TM can get people to the very edge of some kind of
awakening, but the shift often requires being pushed off the TM treadmill by
Leave it to the TMO to reduce spiritual experiences to a number - wonder when
they will start selling nostrums guaranteed to give people Number One
Experiences without fail?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex
It might have been all of the above, but it wasn't - I was young and looking
for something - TM seemed good and it turned out not to be after a time - so
you would revile me for being gullible? Blame the victim so to speak - if Bevan
ever advertises for a lackey you would fit the bill.
---
I apologize for the unpleasant post. I enjoyed my time in the TMO. I was only
full-time in the movement for five years, when I was on faculty at MIU. I never
felt cheated or exploited by the movement or the university. They gave me a job
when I needed one. They trusted me enough to put me in
Sorry about that MJ...this one is 36. I must've counted one page twice or
something.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote:
It might have been all of the above, but it wasn't - I was young and looking
for something - TM seemed good and it turned out not
feste, Pu-leeze stop confusing us with the facts! Not fair! Can't keep hating
with the exceptions, like you, popping up all over the place!
Prejudice ONLY blossoms through ignorance, which you are putting a serious dent
in, with your god-damned factual experiences. I hope I don't have to
I understand - I had a friend who feels the same way - we were on MIU staff
together - I in kitchen services she was in the fundraising dept. After I left
she got her MBA, which somehow the movement paid for, put one of her sons thru
high school there, went on TTC that also she got funding for
I was at MIU from 1981 to 1986 and also taught as adjunct faculty for some
years after that, too. I understand your point of view as well. The movement
was always slippery with money. Some years ago, I was in a position to donate
some money to the university, so I found out from my former
feste, thank you for saying all this. Good to hear someone else's good
experience with TMO. Wonderful to be inspired by courage. Thanks to Doc too
for his cool info about FB and google; and for being supportive of me about
religious wars really being economic wars; and for saying something
I looked at the link. It's a bit too much for me to process, (at least
right now). But what I liked about the commentary was what I originally
found of interest. The idea of full blown AH collapsing to the point
value G followed by the continuation of NEE.
--- In
O ye of small experience we do have great work to do,
For where two or three have come together in the Unified Field, The Field is
there amidst them.
Scientific research shows that even small groups of peace-creating meditators
(as little as the square root of one percent of the population)
Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you
not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to meditation.
Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and effective spiritual
work here on Earth to do for good together. Put aside
Time is progressive and time is upon us now.
Do what you have to to come to meditation.
-Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you
not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to
I think the main purpose of the concept of HoE is to motivate
TMers to continue their practice (abhyaasa) even during hard times, when
negative saMskaara's are predominant during possible asaMprajñaata-samaadhi:
viraama-pratyayaabhyaasa-puurvaH *saMskaara-sheSo* 'nyaH! (I 17)
('nyaH = anyaH =
We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do.
Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more
than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three
countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of
individual lifemind,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
What i've noticed with many TM'ers and Siddhas is that
they are a lot of the nicest people i've ever met, but
they are very mild. They have to limit their experiences
in life to mild experiences.
Exactly.
Buck,
I don't mean to be rude herebut i'm curious as to what your age is?
seekliberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
We have PROVEN EFFECTIVE work to do.
Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at
more than 250
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Take Heart and come back to meditation, come to meditation with us! Will you
not help? Come show us your mettle. Take courage and come back to
meditation. Come sit with us. There is great work to do. Proven and
What makes you think that people are wasting an opportunity? I don't know
about everyone on this forum, but as for mei'm still meditating. I'm
pretty sure most people on this forum still meditate, some of which have
adopted other forms of meditation instead. Perhaps they're not in
Your post is almost identical to what i've pretty much said, just in different
words. I expressed that many spiritual groups, the TMO especially, are simply
mild-natured people. This age of Kali Yuga (if that's what we're in) is pretty
much kicking their ass. And instead of strengthening
I haven't yet figured out the cosmic mystery of, on the one hand, my thinking
that little piglets are some of the cutest creatures on the planet...and on the
other, absolutely LOVING bacon!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
Buck,
I don't mean to be rude herebut i'm curious as to what your age is?
seekliberation
Son, I'm old enough to enlist without my parents permission.
-Old Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Gemini guy (-:
From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
I haven't yet figured
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what
HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration
to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what
Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you
account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who
run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the energy or essence of
the purity of consciousness that is supposedly expressed by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@
wrote:
Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly
what HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you
account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM practitioners who
run and administrate the TM movement does not reflect the
If I had a pet, it would be an alligator or crocodile - have always been
fascinated with them, though I ate alligator exactly once - no real flavor,
probably needs garlic...:-)
Fish, shellfish, beef and pork - ! Though to be honest I eat it maybe
once a week - protein drinks and cheese
Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality actually is?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
Beautifully and cogently expressed - yet if these things are true, how do you
account for the fact that the behavior of the long term TM
I am Sarah Connor.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
Your post is almost identical to what i've pretty much said, just in
different words. I expressed that many spiritual groups, the TMO especially,
are simply mild-natured people. This age of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:
I am Sarah Connor.
Fight on, Sista Obba. The evil robots from FFLife's future need a serious
arse-whupping.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@
wrote:
Your post is almost identical
You wrote a lot of words, but you did not answer my question.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
Oh come one, you know this, but if you must ask here goes:
1 - TM reality - Enlightenment in 3 - 6 years    Â
Â
Real Reality â No one we know
From: feste37 feste37@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Â
Where does the TM movement say pay no attention to what reality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
From: feste37 feste37@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
Its nice to have an admirer - thanks Ann!
As to nabby's insults, it is consistent with nabby's TMO outlook - look to the
future and not to what actually is. I don't blame anyone about anything - if a
man walks into a bank and sticks a gun in the teller's face and demands money,
takes the bank
Xeno - the last paragraph says it all!
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In
ok then the TM Movement makes promises that are never kept from the effects of
TM to the effects of TM Sidhis to the effects of all the ancillary programs
(yagyas, vastu veda, etc) to the promised uses of the donations to the Movement
- they tell everyone to believe what the TMO says rather
I agree with most everything you are saying here - I think one of the things
that made the TM movement not very spiritual was that race to inner space - the
extreme emphasis M put on getting benefits, getting enlightenment as fast as
possible - it took what could have been a spiritual movement
So what you meant was there is a difference between what the TM movement says
and what actually happens as a result of the practice. That's rather different
from saying that the TM movement says pay no attention to what reality
actually is.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
It is in my mind - they in essence are wanting people to pay no attention
to the man behind the curtain - Reality is: Maharishi did not have the
interests of the world or individuals are heart.
TMO says -pay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQPgSyQ2M8feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my iPad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
I was just thinking, i've spent a lot of time arguing, pointing out faults,
and trying to correct certaing unrealistic
I watched the video. As alwaysit's a rather vague and dreamy explanation
of HoE, one which is not going to happen anytime soon. Perhaps in a few
centuries, but more likely in the thousands of years.
seekliberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
Yeah, the TMO's attitude towards any form of work was rather odd. There was a
predominant attitude that those who worked, especially any form of manual
labor, were just plain ignorant/lowlife people.
It also reminds me of a contract the TMO signed with a construction company in
NC when the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation
seekliberation@... wrote:
Yeah, the TMO's attitude towards any form of work was
rather odd. There was a predominant attitude that
those who worked, especially any form of manual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
Yeah, the TMO's attitude towards any form of work was rather odd. There was
a predominant attitude that those who worked, especially any form of manual
labor, were just plain ignorant/lowlife people.
It
You have been out of the TM mentality for too long Barry which shows in your
ideas of what place non-TM'ers would have in the enlightened world - don't you
remember Maha saying that the day would come when everyone would want to do TM?
That the teachers would have to run to the mountains to get
With his energy being what it is it is hard even for me to have hard feelings
towards him when I watch a video - beautiful words he expresses, but he really
doesn't say much - just in essence that heaven on earth is possible and if we
do TM it will happen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
But the caste system is a beautiful thing. If you're at the top
Just occurred to me, is it true, that in the Rgveda, the word
'varNa' (color; caste) primarily referred to skin color? Like
the Northern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
You have been out of the TM mentality for too long Barry
which shows in your ideas of what place non-TM'ers would
have in the enlightened world - don't you remember Maha
saying that the day would come when everyone
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
With his energy being what it is it is hard even for me
to have hard feelings towards him when I watch a video -
beautiful words he expresses, but he really doesn't say
much - just in essence that heaven on earth
TMers never had that model to benefit from. Many of them
strove to *avoid* work whenever and however possible. Their
loss. Maybe that explains why none of them ever achieved
the enlightenment they claimed to be pursuing so diligently.
I think I already sometime in the past mentioned the episode
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
I watched the video. As alwaysit's a rather vague and dreamy explanation
of HoE, one which is not going to happen anytime soon. Perhaps in a few
centuries, but more likely in the thousands of years.
Another funny coincidence in all this in terms of astrology.One of the
primary planets that rules over spirituality, Saturn (ketu is the other), is
not only a planet that rules over spirituality, but also discipline,
responsibility, humility, and working. You would think that groups of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@...
wrote:
I was just thinking, i've spent a lot of time arguing, pointing out faults,
and trying to correct certaing unrealistic points of view with my family
members, friends, and even a few people on this forum
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
With his energy being what it is it is hard even for me to have hard feelings
towards him when I watch a video - beautiful words he expresses, but he
really doesn't say much - just in essence that heaven on earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@
wrote:
I was just thinking, i've spent a lot of time arguing, pointing out faults,
and trying to correct certaing unrealistic points of view
Hold your breath till HOE sets in.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'?
--- In
I wish you would write a book about your experiences with the TMO - guys like
you and other old timers are living repositories of history - after all the TMO
was a world wide movement and M probably the most successful con artist of the
20th Century - I hope you will tell your story one day.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:
Life is going to be very enjoyable
-Maharishi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5C8DxeVScw
Just occurred to me, would AoE be a boring hell for enterprising
people who are extremely fond of various kinds of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
Hold your breath till HOE sets in.
Why ? I'm experiencing telepathy on a daily basis.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
I wish you would write a book about your experiences with
the TMO - guys like you and other old timers are living
repositories of history - after all the TMO was a world
wide movement and M probably the most
I saw a TV show last night about the Spirituali movement in 15th century Italy.
In parallel to the outside Protestant movement, It was an attempt by forces
*within* the Catholic Church to both spread the word that intercession isn't
necessary between humans and God, and bring an end to the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:
I saw a TV show last night about the Spirituali movement in 15th century
Italy. In parallel to the outside Protestant movement, It was an attempt by
forces *within* the Catholic Church to both spread the word that
Yes, Protestantism looks good on paper. :-) Due to lack of a persistent
technique, though, the Protestants have twisted the possibility of direct
communication [with God] into a weak collection of symbols and interpretation,
and ministers. So even though the intent is there, the Protestant
With his energy being what it is it is hard even for me
to have hard feelings towards him when I watch a video -
beautiful words he expresses, but he really doesn't say
much - just in essence that heaven on earth is possible
and if we do TM it will happen...
turquoiseb:
Duh.
After my interaction with most die hard TMO TB's
over the years, I am convinced that their conception
of heaven on earth is pretty much a Disney movie...
Susan:
Here is the way out of this problem! Stop taking it
literally. Heaven on Earth is a description of an
internal
But the caste system is a beautiful thing. If you're
at the top
cardemaister:
Just occurred to me, is it true, that in the Rgveda, the
word 'varNa' (color; caste) primarily referred to skin
color?
The term 'caste' is, I think, from the Portugeuse word for
color, 'casta', but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:
With his energy being what it is it is hard even for me
to have hard feelings towards him when I watch a video -
beautiful words he expresses, but he really doesn't say
much - just in essence that
Then all of us who believed the TMO need to be sued - I was certainly a
proselytizer for TM in my day - it didn't make any of us hypocrites when we
believed the hype - it made us True Believers
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
Hold your breath till HOE sets in.
Why ? I'm experiencing telepathy on a daily basis.
I just sent you a mental message, what did I think?
I think Susan, Post #330889 has the right idea. The world is just going to be
the way it is. How we experience that determines whether our life is heaven or
hell.
mjackson74:
Then all of us who believed the TMO need to be
sued - I was certainly a proselytizer for TM in
my day - it didn't make any of us hypocrites
when we believed the hype - it made us True
Believers...
It makes a lot of difference if you were a 'True
Believer' proselytizer
So how do you put those facts together? Astrology doesn't work? Or TM doesn't
have the touted effects? Or Maharishi's platitudes like Do less and accomplish
more screwed people's minds up?
From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com
To:
I just think that it would be very revealing and interesting for those of us
who never became teachers and would give an insight as to the day to day
workings of part of the Movement - maybe I will interview you when I write my
book
From: turquoiseb
Seems to me that God ordains Kali Yuga as righteous. Don't see God cutting it
short.
If God's happy with the world going into abject evil, then so should we all be.
This IS Heaven -- what else to call being inside God's mind (holodeck) as an
object of His consciousness? God is
Om Dear Seek, TMO Heaven on Earth has been Quite well described here. Jeezus
X-mas just what the puck you been reading here; you can not get through all
that personal bickering stuff that dilutes the real spiritual here that ought
to really be carried off-line between folks privately? Y:ou
Once again, your post tends to remain rather vague in describing exactly what
HoE is supposed to be like. First off, yes religions have had the aspiration
to create heaven on earth. Given what I know, and what i've read from your
posts, i'm convinced that neither of us really know in depth
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