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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized! Yup, it works for me! Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist the other guy these days. The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged much. But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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Baker has always been my favorite Dr. - My daughter LOVES Dr. Who, tho her favs have been David Tennant and Matt Smith. Didn't take her long to accept Peter Capaldi. I haven't seen any of Capaldi's episodes yet. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized! Yup, it works for me! Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist the other guy these days. The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged much. But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Baker has always been my favorite Dr. - My daughter LOVES Dr. Who, tho her favs have been David Tennant and Matt Smith. Didn't take her long to accept Peter Capaldi. I haven't seen any of Capaldi's episodes yet. I didn't like Matt Smith, I thought he was too young and there was always too much running around frantically. I prefer the old BBC style of story telling but the Capaldi stories have been a real treat, I tune in every week, just like when I was a kid. Not that I ever grew up, I've still got a lot of the DVD's of the 70's series, they're my favourite nostalgic treat. Did you ever see Blakes 7? It was a more grown up BBC sci-fi series that Dr Who fans gravitated to when we hit puberty and the whovian storylines started looking a bit thin. Blakes 7, worth searching out if you've never had the pleasure. Blakes 7 (TV Series 1978–1981) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ Blakes 7 (TV Series 1978–1981) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ Created by Terry Nation. With Michael Keating, Paul Darrow, Peter Tuddenham, Jan Chappell. A group of convicts and outcasts fight a guerrilla war against the... View on www.imdb.com http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076987/ Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized! Yup, it works for me! Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist the other guy these days. The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged much. But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place
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I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Preview by Yahoo
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Same is true for a foreigner trying to sing in German. One of the worlds most famous interpreter of Schubert's lieder is an Irishman and it sounds awful in my ears. This is how it should sound, enjoy: Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Preview by Yahoo Schubert: Die Forelle (Fischer-Dieskau, Moore) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo Schubert: Die Forelle (Fischer-Dieskau,... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo In answer to a request... Schubert wrote no fewer than five versions of this song, and also based his Trout Quintet, D667 on it. It's a charming mini-drama, ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously I think we're just better at everything ;-) I know what you mean, the upper class English accent is the easiest to pull off for an American as it's so cartoon-ish anyway. The Americans I know can't say mate so maybe there's a bigger difference in the way we speak than we realise. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. The Shakespeare dialect there sounded more reminiscent of the west country, from Devon or Cornwall. But not Irish to me, and Ireland has a big variations in its regions too, I'm sure Share will back me up in that. Compare Galway to Belfast, amazing. England apparently has 44 regional accents. The theory is that they evolved in isolation from each other whereas the US accent evolved after railways had been invented so there was more cross over and connection with other parts of the country and thus only small differences by comparison. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Preview by Yahoo
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Thanks - My bandwidth up here is awful, so youtubes are more trouble than they are worth, but it will be upgraded later today. I'll listen then - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Same is true for a foreigner trying to sing in German. One of the worlds most famous interpreter of Schubert's lieder is an Irishman and it sounds awful in my ears. This is how it should sound, enjoy: Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Preview by Yahoo Schubert: Die Forelle (Fischer-Dieskau, Moore) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo Schubert: Die Forelle (Fischer-Dieskau,... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo In answer to a request... Schubert wrote no fewer than five versions of this song, and also based his Trout Quintet, D667 on it. It's a charming mini-drama, ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Preview by Yahoo
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I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in Bridget Jones Diary but I thought it was horrible. These days though it's possible for American actors to have good foreign accents. I think back in the day that there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for American actors to do foreign accents. But now there are good voice coaches who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond. In some cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or teach in other countries. In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent when needed. I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are plentiful here. On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html image http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html Preview by Yahoo
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Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, the fic bio of Jane Austin. On Monday, October 20, 2014 11:23 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in Bridget Jones Diary but I thought it was horrible. These days though it's possible for American actors to have good foreign accents. I think back in the day that there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for American actors to do foreign accents. But now there are good voice coaches who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond. In some cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or teach in other countries. In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent when needed. I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are plentiful here. On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.ukPreview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, the fic bio of Jane Austin. Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face. On Monday, October 20, 2014 11:23 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in Bridget Jones Diary but I thought it was horrible. These days though it's possible for American actors to have good foreign accents. I think back in the day that there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for American actors to do foreign accents. But now there are good voice coaches who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond. In some cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or teach in other countries. In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent when needed. I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are plentiful here. On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. I have also read that when an American tries to sound, English, a native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : . And how to read Shakespeare correctly! 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories View on www.telegraph.co.uk Preview by Yahoo
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On 10/20/2014 11:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, the fic bio of Jane Austin. Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face. It's about A-List actors who will get 'mericans to flock like lemmings to the multiplexes.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/20/2014 11:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Bhairitu, I heard they raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, the fic bio of Jane Austin. Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face. It's about A-List actors who will get 'mericans to flock like lemmings to the multiplexes. Of course. I'm unmotivated by who the actor is and forget that you guys might enjoy watching one of your own impersonate a foreigner. I can't stand period costume drama, all that curtseying and grovelling, life was only like that for 1% of the country and the rest of us had to pick up the slack. Why doesn't someone make a movie about the Tolpuddle Martyrs or the Levellers or the Peterloo massacre? That's the stuff for me. Or robots. Movies with robots work too.
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Re Why doesn't someone make a movie about the Levellers? Your wish is granted. Winstanley is a British film made in 1975. Real-life activist Sid Rawle played a Ranter (English Revolution period anarchist-type group). Uber-hippie Sid Rawle helped me set up a squat in Kentish Town in the mid seventies! You can see the movie for free here. (Re English accents: Gwyneth Paltrow and Reese Witherspoon are both flawless.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Why doesn't someone make a movie about the Levellers? Your wish is granted. Winstanley is a British film made in 1975. Wow, instant fulfilment of desires! Real-life activist Sid Rawle played a Ranter (English Revolution period anarchist-type group). Uber-hippie Sid Rawle helped me set up a squat in Kentish Town in the mid seventies! Cool, are you still there? ;-) You can see the movie for free here. I will watch it at my leisure. Ta. (Re English accents: Gwyneth Paltrow and Reese Witherspoon are both flawless.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A
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Still here and now.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Still here and now. No way! I knew some guys who squatted a house in Hackney after uni so they could pay off their debts, and they stayed so long they ended up owning it! Made a fortune they did...
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Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . .
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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This is the Sid Rawle (R.I.P.) I mention. At Stonehenge in real life! And if you go to the 53:15 mark in the Winstanley film you'll see him in fine ranter mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A
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Where is your allotment-squat then? The last place I squatted was an abandoned hospital in Wood Green. I was a late joiner and the only room left to take was the operating room with the surgical table still fixed in the centre. It gave me the creeps so I soon moved on. Also, the place had a very bad vibe with groups into black magic(!) and no sense of community to hold everyone together. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : This is the Sid Rawle (R.I.P.) I mention. At Stonehenge in real life! I recognise him and know the name from somewhere. I think he pops up in the biography of anarchist group Crass who lived in a commune in Epping forest. All friends of Wally Hope, did you know him? That was one sad story... And if you go to the 53:15 mark in the Winstanley film you'll see him in fine ranter mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A Excellent rant. Shall bookmark for a quiet evening.
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Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the Black Death! Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move in. Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist the other guy these days. The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged much. But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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Didn't know Wally Hope but his name came up a lot among the revellers at the Windsor Free Festivals. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : This is the Sid Rawle (R.I.P.) I mention. At Stonehenge in real life! I recognise him and know the name from somewhere. I think he pops up in the biography of anarchist group Crass who lived in a commune in Epping forest. All friends of Wally Hope, did you know him? That was one sad story... And if you go to the 53:15 mark in the Winstanley film you'll see him in fine ranter mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A Excellent rant. Shall bookmark for a quiet evening.
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kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist the other guy these days. The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged much. But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters?? From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the Black Death! Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move in. Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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Ha ha! Here is a good article on it - couple years old but... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53579/Squatter-owner-100-000-flat.html Squatter becomes owner of £100,000 flat Struggling artist Jack Blackburn yesterday became the owner of the £100,000 council flat he had squatted in for 13 years View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist the other guy these days. The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged much. But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
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Re How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters??: You've got me now! I'm afraid I was very bad. You can't legally break in. But if a house was secure people did indeed break in. If the police asked what happened you just said you'd found a window already broken when you arrived. How could they disprove that? When we broke in to our house in Kentish Town we asked the Sid Rawle's commune at Chalk Farm for help in settling in. They sent over a guy called Mervin (if I remember his name aright) and he connected us to the water main and connected us to both the electricity and gas supplies (all highly illegal). For the two years I lived there we never paid any bills - no rent, no rates, no heating - as we were off the official record. Astonishing that the power companies couldn't detect that we were siphoning off juice. There were popular books on sale, like Alternative London (sample page below), that also showed people how to sidestep the security measures of the power companies. I'm sure they are much harder to overcome today. You'll be glad to learn that over the years since then I've more than paid my share towards the profits of our rip-off energy companies. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters?? From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the Black Death! Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move in. Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why wasn't it illegal to begin with? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Sorry - I replied too fast. Re Still there?: No, we stayed at the squat for two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the Levellers work . . . Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days. Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. We were the new diggers. Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!
