I don't understand the absolute lack of trust that some in this country have
for their fellow, usually non-white, human beings. If you listen to the more
unbalanced voices, the country is chock full of those trying to game the
system, who can only be controlled by stricter laws, a removal of
It looks like the TMO has developed a split - On the one hand, instruction in
TM and the TM-Sidhis, is going very well, and gaining a lot of popularity. On
the other, the more 'research-oriented' activities, culminating in MUM and the
World Government programs, are marginally successful.
Again, the welfare recipients are the victims of capitalism. Economic models of
capitalism always predict less than 100% employment. I recall the "ideal" is
around 95%, so for that unemployed 5%, they need some form of assistance. Given
the radical difference in access to education and services
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If something is worth having, it's worth working for. That would include
economic equality and opportunity. Should a high school drop out have the same
I hope Martin exercises regularly, as he will need it next time around, to
successfully scurry away from the bug spray.
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I think this guy typifies today's capitalism. Let's raise the price of an
inexpensive AIDS drug
Agreed. Those entrusted with protecting the techniques for realization, have
themselves not reached the goal. So how can they lead others? Those at the top
of the org are blind, though still at the effect of natural laws that render
them less and less effective. Which is kind of a good thing,
This appears to have morphed into a defense vs criticism of the TMO. Not my
fight, though you may want to consider that yogic science has been around a lot
longer than any branch of western science, and the benefits are there, if not
always accepted. trying to avoid throwing the baby out with
Why would NASA speak about colonizing *anything*?? It sort of proves my point
that such a fantasy is centuries away. They aren't even close to having the
tech to initiate such a project. And yes, we now have TANG, the orange-flavored
breakfast drink with a full day's worth of Vitamin C, from
The NASA blurb is all self-serving PR about how their current missions will
allow them further exploration of space. Not even a replacement for TANG has
been developed - lol...As for satellite tech, yes that is useful, and why I
restricted my comment to exploration of other planets. Sure, as
lol - yes, exactly. DNA testing could put all of this to rest in a week, but
loose talk is easier to sell, especially wrt sex, money, secrets, and spiritual
masters. Pretty much the ultimate gossip machine, right there.
As for those like Judith who probably had a sexual relationship with
I am not trying to steal your thunder, just having a little fun at the expense
of those who tiresomely raise these faux issues. Perhaps you could be a style
consultant to Judith, ensuring her chaste but somewhat worldly appearance, so
that she can continue to play the role she was obviously
That's it?! All the windup and bluster about earth shattering secrets, ending
with a 'fuck you'? That is lame, my friend. Where is your supporting evidence,
beyond the word-smithed PR essay you provided earlier?
Also, adding a 'fuck you' at this stage is completely premature. You need to
be
Yeah, there is a pretty strong bias against yogic science in the West. Possibly
even a racial prejudice. Yoga did not evolve out of either the Western sciences
or religions, and as such, is considered suspect by many.
In terms of Western science, there is certainly no justification to spend
Methinks MD's intention is to get a reaction counter to the platitudes and
promises in the announcement - having us on. Pretty funny, actually.
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Sounds like you are greatly in need of such a talk.
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I wonder if little Mahesh ever got the inkling as he was sitting in school, for
example, that he would one day grow up to become a famous spiritual teacher?
The times have definitely favored his message, and so many of us have been
influenced by this one man. It could have been anybody (though
One thing strongly in favor of Ms. Clinton is that she has served both in the
US Senate, and the Cabinet, so she is very much aware of how things get done,
or not, in the Federal Government, and has a bizillion connections. Easily the
most capable resume among those running. Going after her
I haven't forgotten that she is a politician, as are the rest.:-) I was
pointing more at her success and time in two branches of the Federal Govt. It
IS *tough*, probably impossible, to find the mythical 100% public servant,
especially in the upper reaches of government. The pyramid shrinks on
Thanks - I like this broader context of the transcendental wave running through
time and consciousness, with some of us picking it up (again and again) as it
comes by. Perhaps the efficiency of the TM technique (diving deeply, precisely,
and quickly, 2 x 20) speaks to this age, where we don't
Yes, they used to call it having good manners.:-) I don't understand how
communication can be violent, unless someone is holding a weapon, or about to
assault someone else. It sounds like a bit of hyperbole. Also, when did my
choice to respond peacefully, forcefully, humorously, or silently, go
Not really - but the broader message is that France has admitted a large
population from a region that is enmeshed in violence as an everyday
occurrence, the Middle East. It has been going on for generations, inflamed
recently by a series of wars. So to bring in a large population already
A good question, though it looks like in both cases the speaker is trying to
provoke a fight, using antisocial behavior and disrespectful language. So, it
proves exactly what, if the speaker gets their butt kicked?
Before choosing A or B, I'd want to know why the speaker is expressing
crawling into the dryer, for a no heat spin cycle works too.
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Astronauts report an “overview effect” from the awe of space travel—and you
can replicate it here on Earth:
This moment of awe has had a permanent effect on some
Yep, I would agree. Muslims are no more prone to violence than anyone else is,
but get up in their grill, kill their families, and shoot up their temples and
you'll have an issue. Also refugee populations are great places to breed
violent fanatics, since there are strongly diminished
That would be my preference too. Living in a very permissive society, we may
get used to the idea that we can say anything and do anything short of physical
violence, in our little neck of the woods, without consequence, as our right.
We then extrapolate that to the rest of the world, assuming
Tough to say how it would be, if the Islamic countries had invaded us, though,
instead of the other way around. If I had to guess, having a foreign occupying
army on your home soil brings out the most fanatical resistance, and
reactionary attitudes in people. I am not excusing anyone's behavior
I would be *very* concerned about the persistent reports of organic mold too,
within the structure. No 'suspected' about that stuff - it can be fatal,
getting into the lungs.
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OK, though this has only become an issue recently, due to our military
incursions into their territory. I am in favor of using our military to contain
a threat, but in this case, we are the aggressors, right or wrong, and it seems
presumptuous to be dictating our values to them as well, or
Yep, two extremes. Why not let these other countries do as they please? I don't
understand this insistence that they mirror our values. Can't we see them for
who they are, and simply stay away? As for the threat of those values taking
root here in the US, not much chance. No one with a Koran
I am not surprised. Disgraceful, this corner cutting for everything, beyond
common sense and safety. Yeah, I don't know of any alternative roofing material
that works as well as the petroleum-based products, which if applied correctly
aren't a danger, in terms of fumes and exposure. Without
To clarify, similar to Mike D. I am a fan of TM and Maharishi's knowledge.
However, the difference between my personal life experience of all things TM,
and my experiences with, and stories told about, the TMO are sometimes at odds,
and not in a good way. I am not out to bash them, more to
Very short-sighted. Though the folks who have the responsibility to spread TM
are probably clueless on how to run a university. Spiritual organizations seem
generally piss poor at this kind of boring, sustainable activity, since the
interest is ALWAYS on the front-lines and the leaders. There
It seems the only way to counter such a situation is to create a management
group, paid real-world wages to maintain the property. The current unbalanced
attitude of all the attention on managing the knowledge, with little thought
given to the infrastructure, isn't working. Though in order to
I am curious if the world outside the various Movement environs, is still
referred to, disparagingly, as "the relative"? It was big back in the '80's,
and could account for the lackadaisical attitude dealing with govt. agencies,
etc., but hopefully the mindset has changed.
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Thanks Doug. I don't want to imply that those like "Karl" (Whose piece I have
yet to read...) may not be entirely objective in their assessment, though it is
much more valuable in any case to hear your direct observations.
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Yes,
Thanks for this - I read most of the MUM Strategic Plan, and it is on par with
any corporate annual report. I appreciated the level of detail, such as a line
item budget, and reasonable growth expectations. The level of detail is
appropriate too, so that this could be used as a working document
The other side of the coin is that many of these immigrants, including the
illegal ones, add a lot to the bottom lines of the corporations that employ
them. Just like 'gun control' we have the laws on the books so that illegal
immigrants cannot be employed unless they have citizenship papers or
Yep. Also these words of 'outrage' fade pretty quickly in today's media
environment, so there is less and less downside to saying almost anything, for
name recognition.
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Gets him *name recognition* on a local level. Keeps him as a
Obama has launched ten times as many drone strikes as his predecessor did. He
also found and killed Bin Laden, instead of playing golf. This story that he is
a wimp has no basis. Reagan sold arms to our enemy, Iran, while lying to us
about not negotiating with terrorists. There's your wimp, and
So, I take it you are *not* an Obama supporter? lol. I think he has done a
decent job overall, inheriting a crashed economy that is still struggling to
recover, and a destabilized globe. He also doesn't have any dirty little
secrets, and hasn't committed any big gaffes, which is refreshing. I
Yep, and that no evidence has ever surfaced for iraq's "weapons of mass
destruction" either. I think that incident goes a long way to forming people's
opinion of the Bush/Cheney Presidency, that the lie to go to war didn't even
hold up for a couple of years. Cheney was on the news recently,
Chemical weapons were not the "smoking gun" used to drag us into that war. The
empty threat of nuclear weapons, and mobile missile launchers, mysteriously
hidden in the desert, were the phantoms used for that stunt. "yellow cake
uranium" and "a mushroom cloud" were the phrases I remember being
Actually no yellow cake uranium was found. It was a trumped up story with
unverified sources, supposedly out of Kenya. Bush even outed the CIA agent
wife, of the ambassador who blew the whistle on that sham, to "get even". Very
nasty people with an agenda that I don't think served the country
Fascinating stuff, jr. Much of what you are correlating to astrology appears to
closely fit Trump's general character, and the influences on him in the future.
However, as far as breaking this down into how specific real world events will
play out for The Donald, wouldn't that mean negating
Thanks - I enjoy reading about astrology from those who take it seriously -
adds a lot of dimension. You confirm my sense that it works for analysis but
not so much for prediction, due to the wave function you describe - hadn't
thought to put it that way, but it fits.
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Good points, in terms of transitions being more like shades of light, vs. black
and white, and the 'intuitive' averages of our tendencies for each sun sign,
reflecting more of a survey than a cognition. I suspect both have happened,
though the survey side is discounted, because it doesn't fit
This guy might actually be nuts. He looks so normal and average, yet time and
again I am speechless at the things he says, and seriously wonder how he has
had a voice on our national stage for so long.
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Why are Republicans trying to
Although I am not backing any of them, here are my picks in the 2016 horse
race, based on the money and power already in place:
Trump may make the nomination, though it will be in spite of the mainstream
GOP trying to unseat him at every turn. No way will he be elected President -
doesn't
Yep, tough to see where Apple will end up, now that Jobs is gone. I always
though they limited their market hugely by creating unique interfaces for their
platform, first cutting them out of the corporate world, and now finding
similar portability issues in the consumer market.
I agree that
Jindall was given the rebut to Obama's State Of The Union a couple of years
ago, and blew it badly. He has not been entrusted to carry's his party's water
since. This is his really clumsy attempt, imo, to get back in their good
graces. He must know he has no chance, but he is probably trying
I know about the faux scandals, just as those attributed to the Clintons. I am
talking about something that sticks no matter what, like Clinton and Lewinsky,
Iran-Contra, or Watergate. Nothing like that here, and no it isn't due to the
press coddling him. Should be an interesting 14 months.
Yeah, similar to any outside craving, this one is around the transmission of
darshan, spiritual energy, from the teacher to the student, with the dynamic of
addiction to this being like any other addiction.
As for the warnings here and there about the eclipse, there may be something
to them.
Good points. I agree that as a society we are beholden to tackle this issue,
whatever its scope, simply because of the lives lost. There are a few things,
though that are largely absent from the gun control debate. First and most
obvious, nothing is being said about actually limiting the number
We have about 11,000 people born in the US each day, and about 6,800 deaths per
day, or about 6,770, if we subtract the ~30 deaths daily by firearms. I am not
excusing the deaths as a result of guns, however it is clearly not the risk,
nor the social evil that we are led to believe it is. With
Again, perception vs. reality. Only about 30% of Americans even own a gun, so
that means the vast majority do not. And the occurrences of mass gun violence,
are actually quite rare, statistically. I am not saying it isn't an issue, but
it is not the faux-firestorm that it is made out to be.
Yes, that was the theory behind the minimum wage for a few decades, but the US
is now *last* among industrialized countries, in terms of economic mobility. In
other words you may find that once you start at McD's, that is it - With any
"excess" jobs farmed overseas, for tax breaks, there aren't
I appreciate your concern, though I do not see it as a problem. People come to
TM or not, according to their awareness and need. It could be called 'green
cheese' for some and they would still start the practice. Sure the world has
some stress, though I for one feel that things are headed in
Hi, Thanks for sharing your ideas. I am not really a big reader, nor do I have
any association with the TM organization, so I am not the one to evaluate your
writing further, or make a proposition to the TMers. That said, I wish you all
the best with your pursuits. No doubt you have learned a
Interesting stuff - thanks for the specifics. Yes, Dances With Wolves was well
researched.
I find it curious the Western revulsion at violence done directly, though we
have no such squeamishness when aiming a laser guided munition at a village. On
the one hand, decrying the public
I don't understand the self-sabotage in a message like this. It is the ungainly
combination of a fund-raising initiative, and a Vedic ceremony.
Granted, the TMO must generate sustainable revenue streams, above and beyond
what the TM and Sidhis programs bring in, so why not just say that?
Doesn't apply - You are assuming that laser-guided munitions are more precise.
They aren't. The laser part is precise. The bomb is still a bomb, exploding 360
degrees, causing lots of collateral damage, blowing innocent women and children
to pieces, much more so that the direct violence we
I am sorry, but the removal of TM from the mysticism and traditions of the
past, is a GOOD thing. I agree that having more knowledgeable teachers would be
helpful, though to say that the goals of humanity cannot be achieved solely
with TM is completely false, an ego trip that has evolved from
LOL - I don't get the whole "last meal" nonsense. I can understand if you had
been a political prisoner in the 18th century, kept in a dungeon or something,
but for the run of the mill modern psychopath, comfortably incarcerated, I'd
cite cost-cutting and get rid of it. We are already giving
Fatigue and overcrowding is what I heard on the radio. Apparently many of the
pilgrims are exhausted from their journey, and the massive crowds, so that if
one falls down, the others behind him begin to stumble and fall too, with those
further back continuing to surge forward. Saudi Arabia has
I found this on the SAND 2015 page. A little long, but worth reading -
In Need of Satsang Detox
by Scott Kiloby
One reason I moved into the area of addiction treatment at the Kiloby Center
was to get away from the satsang circuit. In and of itself, the circuit doesn’t
necessarily
Yes, definitely a bipartisan effort. I was also reading about the entrenchment
and failure of some of the social welfare programs to help the homeless, and
that such programs are structured to help symptomatically, vs. actually solving
the problem (through long term follow-up and jobs
It is cherry-picking, led by the radical Christian pastors. If the sanctity of
human life is so important, where are the anti-war demonstrations by the
Christians? Those aren't fetuses we are bombing, and invading, they are fully
grown human beings, men, women and yes, children, but not a peep
Yes, every religion can be shown to have its hypocrisy, but this insistence
that abortions cannot be performed according to the choice of the woman who is
pregnant, is only prevalent in radical Christianity, and radical Islam. Not all
Christian sects are against abortion, and not all Muslim
I appreciate your commitment, and warning someone of the consequences of sin is
OK if they are a close friend I suppose, and/or sharing the same faith.
Otherwise, there are many choices for living, and there is also karma for
imposing one's will on another. All the religions are incomplete wrt
Superiorism sounds like life as run by the ego. Slavery, born of great fear, is
all that is. The ego is all about always being right, and enforcing boundaries.
It very much works in opposition to open-mindedness. Great manager, lousy
leader. I am glad such influences are no longer predominant
HI, thanks for your info. I was curious where your comment came from. I don't
live in Fairfield, nor do I shop much in the spiritual supermarket. I am always
interested in how any of us puts our found spiritual gifts into practice. If I
may take the lazy person's way out, what do you consider
That covers a lot of ground.:-) I agree that TM is a mechanical means to
liberation, through the knowledge of the Veda, and that it can work as
described. It is basically a tool for us to get out of the dullness you
mentioned, and get things moving again - we are at our core, transcendental
Ironic, again, that Ronald Reagan was the father of the 'amnesty for illegal
immigrants' program - converted nearly 3 million to US citizens that way,
during his Presidency. The reason his program of reform failed, is that his own
party made him strip out all the legislation that enforced the
What tribes or nations are you referring to here? I am curious, because none of
that behavior, except for tool making, occurred among the first nations in what
is now California, Oregon and Washington. The nations were tiny compared to
they are today, and self-sufficient. It was considered
Why do you think it is a mistake in the TM message? Some people aren't going to
meditate, period, whether they understand its intent, or not. Even Maharishi
focused on very small groups to continue the world's evolution. There is no
need for 99% or more of the population to meditate. It is all
Let's talk about this term, "murder", wrt an abortion. I know the radical
preachers have seized on this term as a graphic and ugly description of
abortion. But, have any of them known a murder victim? Someone who had a full
life and a circle of friends and family, those that loved them, who
Agreed - It always feels a little racist to me also, this whole scaredy-cat
routine over Barack Obama's patriotism and place of birth. There is an ugliness
to raising this as an issue, that hasn't been applied to other recent
Presidents. Clearly a smear campaign to undermine his legitimacy.
Hi, and Welcome - I read the available excerpts of your book - I am curious
about your statement below that you are more one pointed and disciplined than
most. In what domain, and what has that done for you lately? :-)
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I don't think we will see eye to eye on this within the context of this
discussion, though I heartily agree with what you had said earlier about being
true to oneself, and having the courage of your convictions (paraphrasing). The
topic of abortion can be such a contentious issue, and yet we've
Not at all - I don't think you are a racist either. But this is just really
dirty, even for politics, and as I said feels a little racist to me, for the
reasons I mentioned. It also has nothing to do with his policies, just a
personal attack.
I do find it ironic that many Republicans have
Even if I take you at your word here, this still lacks an explanation for why
this is the bigger issue, vs. the lives lost through US led invasions of other
countries. To say waging war is self-defense makes such actions morally
meaningless, allowing us aggression in any quarter, justified as
This caught my attention:
Pope held sick baby, what happened next is amazing
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inspiration-nation/2015/09/23/inspiration-nation-pope-holds-baby/72671356/
Those could be useful adjustments, though you still have the basic "problem"
with TM, of transcending twice a day -- If TM can be considered a technology,
we are used to having our tech delivered with no downside, except cost. TM
represents the benefits of tech; acceleration, expansion, ease,
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This whole abortion "debate" seems like such a set up. Why proclaim that due to
religious principles, abortion is murder, or that gay marriage is sin, and then
live in the USA? I am not suggesting such believers should leave, though it
seems like an awful lot of heartache to go through, to
Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because it is
mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it
mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in
line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that
To clarify: I personally have not conducted any scientific studies...:-)
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Not studied? ..The Support of Nature Phenomena and heightened intuition from
meditating. Empirical analysis of people’s experience of ‘support of
LOL - don't we all?
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That's a fabulous benefit. I mean the parking space thing. I have noticed this
for many years, although I do not attribute it to the sidhis. I think I am just
naturally a superior being.
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Sounds like a strange sales talk...I would think bringing up superiority in
that vein, along with "easier parking" as the key benefit, would lead to very
few takers. But yeah, "the parking space thing" -- must be something to it, as
it comes up from time to time regarding the siddhis course. I
If it exists it can be measured, or in what way can it be said to be existing?
Yes, good question, but what if, as others have suggested, it is the
relatively imprecise capability of the measurement devices themselves, that
leads us to conclude a judgment of no value for various practices?
"Someone has to stand up for reality. People like S (snip) are the intended
recipients of this stuff. They'll bleed him dry if they get the chance."
They DO have the chance, and obviously choose not to even attempt such a thing.
Despite the overheated rhetoric around this singular letter for
I tend to agree. Science is not a religion, and should not be treated as one.
Both love and beauty, for example cannot be explained by western science, nor
can consciousness, which paradoxically forms the basis for everything. So
science does a great job of discovering and objectifying natural
Pretty darned impressive. It is easy enough to exist, but tough to thrive in
this world without transcending regularly, refreshing oneself. Here's for 50,
or a 100 thousand TM initiations this year in the US. Looks like Finland is
catching on, too.
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These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the
background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM
crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish
out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence
Not crazy, typical. This type of language is common in the corporate world
where The Donald lives. Corporations are full of those who fantasize sex and
violence into business transactions. I recall a 'tech wizard' once saying he
would, "bring the system to its knees". Bravado, and macho
Please put me on your list too. Barack Obama is one of our better Presidents. I
find it appalling that the many racists in the US Congress see fit to obstruct
him, simply because of the color of his skin. Anyway, just for you old white
racists, I would LOVE it if we had another black man (or a
I don't consider Mr. Trump to be qualified as President, however this article
lays out plainly the sleazy hatchet job that many establishment news outlets
are giving him. He is a businessman, and the object in business is to win. That
is his skill. I also appreciate that no one owns him.
I
I remember back in the 1970's, when communications, travel, and banking were
all regulated by the Feds. Nobody thought of it as socialism, and the
industries so regulated were guaranteed a profit. In the post - Reagan era of
deregulation, there has been a lot of wealth created, but very little
"the far left"??!? As in similar in political outlook to say, Raul Castro of
Cuba?? And who, exactly, in the US Government, has advocated, or worse, acted
on, such an ideological vision? I am pretty confident I can wait here for days
without a name from you, even down to the level of city
difficult to assess without more info - I heard the same thing back then, only
it was said in a context of evolution and personal growth, not judgment. Just
as someone would say, for example, after you graduate from college, you will
know more about x or y, than you did in high school.
The Republican leadership blew it Big Time with their obstructionist stance,
demonstrated by not even considering a Supreme Court nominee from "the Black
President", and, "We'll just wait for the election, nearly a year away".
Ha. It blew up in their faces like a cartoon firecracker. Made
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