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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others
, always for a fee of course.
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about
of course.
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number
:06 PM
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The intellect is binary so not that hard to model. It is yes or no. A US
Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s. I had
suggested this to our development team before the paper
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others
on the subject. I didn't find them varying much
chocolate cake
with coffee ice cream.
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Well
purport to read them for folks, always for a fee of course.
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Charlie Lutes
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Accounts without evidence are hearsay. The boy without food or water is
interesting. These accounts always tend to be superficial investigation in
which the person is not placed in a real scientific environment where variables
On 06/29/2015 08:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Well, there are detailed accounts of individuals accessing the Akashic
Records , but in a subjective, non verifiable way.
Hence, here at least, I don't think you have anyone lobbying
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :
Well, there are detailed accounts of individuals accessing the Akashic Records
, but in a subjective, non verifiable
had salted
caramel and that was a real treat.
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On 06/29/2015 08:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
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steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
Well, there are detailed accounts of individuals
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 06/29/2015 10:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
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noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
On 06/29/2015 08:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In
On 06/29/2015 10:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
On 06/29/2015 08:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
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mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@...
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
Why can't people click on the show message history at the bottom of the post
they are responding to? It's not difficult and it renders your posts readable
when they are seen in the context of the discussion.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote :
F*ck that obsessively
The intellect is binary so not that hard to model. It is yes or no. A
US Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the
1990s. I had suggested this to our development team before the paper
was published and one of the project leads came across it. I recall the
student got
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This msg was a reply to Duveyoung's post on the thread :
Can AI Machines Know
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The intellect is binary so not that hard to model. It is yes or no. A US
Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s. I had
suggested this to our development team before the paper was published and one
for your records
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for folks, always for a fee of course.
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk
Everything is debatable. In an ironic sort of way, artificial intelligence does
apply to humans. I often think of you as having artificial intelligence.
Attempting to replicate human intelligence has so far failed because the human
neural network of connexions is so complex. Many researchers
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Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
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June 27, 6:27pm
So you aren't going to click on show message history? It's a lot easier
PM
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others
on the subject. I didn't find them varying much in the description.
Scientifically, if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others
on the subject. I didn't find them varying much
: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:45 PM
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Yup, it's just a theory for now. But there's a lot we don't know about
our universe and how things work. People who might discount the notion might
be the same kind of soul at one time who
of something else. But
the end of humanity - I don't think we're that lucky yet.
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Yup
The conversation looks logical. But apparently it's still lacking something
that would convince everyone that the machine has achieved human sentience.
Otherwise we would have heard elaborate news coverage to proclaim the birth of
true AI.
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The intellect is binary so not that hard to model. It is yes or no. A US
Berkeley student did a graduate paper which I read back in the 1990s. I had
suggested this to our development team before the paper
.
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number
.
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number
, June 28, 2015 6:37 PM
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Does anyone know the brand of cigars or cigarettes that Helena Blavatsky
smoked?
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As usual, you are pretty funny Michael.
Of course
she got those
bidis.
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Does anyone know the brand of cigars or cigarettes that Helena
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Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of
others
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of others
on the subject. I didn't find them varying much in the description.
Scientifically, if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in
some kind of ether
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Yup, it's just a theory for now. But there's a lot we don't know
about our universe and how things work
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
The conversation looks logical. But apparently it's still lacking something
that would convince everyone that the machine has achieved human sentience.
Otherwise we would have heard elaborate news coverage to proclaim the birth of
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can AI Machines Know Ethics?
Charlie Lutes liked to talk a lot of about it but I've read a number of
others on the subject. I didn't find them varying much in the description.
Scientifically,if we radiate electrical impulses those might get caught in some
kind of ether
Anne,
I don't believe the computer was writing anything it understands. The words
were probably taken out of a database of conversations relating to philosophy
or movie scripts. The conversation merely mimicked human conversation.
The sign of sentience would be if the computer knows
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Anne,
I don't believe the computer was writing anything it understands. The words
were probably taken out of a database of conversations relating to philosophy
or movie scripts. The conversation merely mimicked human
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The word know makes this a primal question. My answer: no.
New question: can a human nervous system know ethics? My answer: no.
The ego lies to itself. IT IS NOT SENTIENT. It is a process. An artifact of a
vastness.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
Of
Of course we can. The query to be answered is whether it is worth the computing
time and the bother of implementation.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
One machine said NO...which is correct. It's database was based on movie
scripts. But if the database included
Human being are machines too, just not the familiar wires and
microchips. Consciousness is probably just an artifact of the operating
system.
On 06/27/2015 07:45 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
The word know makes this a primal question. My answer: no.
New question: can a human nervous system know
Edg,
That's a heavy conclusion. So what do you say to philosophers, like Plato and
Aquinas, who have tackled questions like this and wrote books on the subject?
Are you saying that they're egotistical and not sentient?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Plato and Aquinas believed in a core person who is imagined having some sort
of eternal existence, and more, that that core's history was responsible for
itself.
This requires free will.
I don't believe in causality. It's not a matter of free will vs determinism.
I don't believe that
Jesus, Edg, you've been doing some deep thinking during your hiatus.
I'm trying to find some place to plug in here, but not having much luck.
But maybe a few comments below, on a re-read.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Plato and Aquinas believed
Xeno,
I had to take a double-take to understand what you're saying. You seem to be
saying that humans are machines too. That's debatable. In this context, we're
talking about artificial intelligence which does not apply to humans.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@...
Bhairitu,
It's debatable to say that humans are machines, although some people call
humans as biological machines.
A few days ago, I posted a video clip of Tom Campbell who states that the
universe is a virtual reality. He backs this up by using the results of the
famous double-slit
F*ck that obsessively objectified bitch ... little Aristotle the obsessive, the
pedantic.
Plato was unanimous - we are endlessly circulating souls (psyches) following in
the train of a deity who leads us from absorption in the shadow world of
apprearances to the direct, immediate sight of the
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