subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness"

I can understand that, Ingererd--we're a tough crowd! :)

Sal

On Aug 12, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Ingegerd wrote:

> I am sometimes very happy that my students don't read FFL - I hope
> it will stay that way.
> Ingegerd

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Nab, maybe it's time to come back from your long visit to the 
River in 
> Egypt...
> 
> Sal
> 
I am sometimes very happy that my students don't read FFL - I hope 
it will stay that way. 
Ingegerd
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the 
rest
> > of
> >>> us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us
> >>
> >> Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words
> > spilled
> >> over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of 
a
> >> saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish
> > thoughts
> >> and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.
> >>
> >> When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the
> > toilet
> >> was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need."
>







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to "believe in" 
> anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). You 
> didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice 
> it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else.

Sure, but people fixate on all sorts of things. Why does anyone bother to read 
this forum, for 
example?

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

Nab, maybe it's time to come back from your long visit to the River in 
Egypt...

Sal


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest
> of
>>> us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us
>>
>> Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words
> spilled
>> over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a
>> saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish
> thoughts
>> and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.
>>
>> When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the
> toilet
>> was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need."



To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

on 8/12/06 11:57 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You wrote that his "girlfriends" -- plural -- reported that he
ejaculated. So there are at least TWO reports of this?

Another point: anything short of both ejaculating and showing one's
privates can often be construed as being ambiguous or, at the least,
a he-said-she-said situation.

How many hard no-ambiguiity-to-it instances are there in the Sexy
Sadie files? Again, I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have
perhaps but there is, I think you'll admit, a hell of alot of
innuendo and not alot of cold, hard no-ambiguity declarations of
fact such as describe above. Are they there and, if so, what
exactly is said?

I’m not going to write a thorough review for you, but there were a couple of references to ejaculation. Perhaps one I heard is not in SS. Also, none of the accounts indicate a flaccid, Muktananda-style performance.

Ambiguity is in the eye of the beholder. Some would argue that the entire file is ambiguous. I guess it depends on who you’ve talked to and what you want to believe.

__._,_.___

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

__,_._,___

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To clarify, no I am not a TM'r,







Judy, I stand corrected.








 though God knows I was pressured to 
> become one, to the point where she broke it off once simply 
because 
> I wasn't willingly to join.
> 
> No I prefer a park setting, sitting at the base of a tree leaning 
> against it with my spine.





If you faced the other way, you could be accused of being a tree-
hugger.







>(Crosslegged). Sometimes I'll repeat the 
> words "One with All",,,other times I'll just focus on my breath 
and 
> take it all in. 
> 
> No secret mantra, no set rituals, I am a free forming kind of 
person 
> who just likes to go with the flow.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program 
> > > 
> > > He never said he practiced TM, Shemp.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > He said he meditated regularly.
> > 
> > And within the context of the discussion that was going on when 
he 
> > said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program.
> > 
> > If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and 
> then 
> > I'll stand corrected.
> >
>







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/12/06 11:22 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the 
rest of
> >> > us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us
> > 
> > Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words 
spilled
> > over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a
> > saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish 
thoughts
> > and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.
> > 
> > When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the 
toilet
> > was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need."
> > 
> He may have said that, because he sometimes does try to give the 
impression
> that he is above physical needs, but all his suites over the years 
have had
> toilets. He eats food and it comes out the other end, just like 
the rest of
> us. I¹ve heard him fart, pee, and while traveling, he had to make 
bathroom
> stops, just like the rest of us. His girlfriends said he 
ejaculates.

This is interesting.

Perhaps I didn't read the entire Sexy Sadie file (it does tend to go 
on and on), but I particularly looked out for this little tidbit of 
information and don't remember seeing it.

Why was I looking for this?  Because in the Muktananda sex-abuse 
revelations, it was specifically pointed out that he not only didn't 
ejaculate but that he didn't even get an erection, despite the penis 
being put into the vagina.

So I kinda thought that maybe that was similar to what was going on 
with the allegations with MMY.

You wrote that his "girlfriends" -- plural -- reported that he 
ejaculated.  So there are at least TWO reports of this?

Another point: anything short of both ejaculating and showing one's 
privates can often be construed as being ambiguous or, at the least, 
a he-said-she-said situation.

How many hard no-ambiguiity-to-it instances are there in the Sexy 
Sadie files?  Again, I didn't read it as thoroughly as I should have 
perhaps but there is, I think you'll admit, a hell of alot of 
innuendo and not alot of cold, hard no-ambiguity declarations of 
fact such as describe above.  Are they there and, if so, what 
exactly is said?

> He¹s
> had operations on his eyes, prostate, heart and other health 
problems. He¹s
> been banged up in car and helicopter accidents, nearly 
electrocuted by a
> faulty tape recorder, etc.
> 
> None of these things are to his detriment. I mention them just to 
divest
> Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being.
>

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread Bill (William)Simmons

To clarify, no I am not a TM'r, though God knows I was pressured to 
become one, to the point where she broke it off once simply because 
I wasn't willingly to join.

No I prefer a park setting, sitting at the base of a tree leaning 
against it with my spine.(Crosslegged). Sometimes I'll repeat the 
words "One with All",,,other times I'll just focus on my breath and 
take it all in. 

No secret mantra, no set rituals, I am a free forming kind of person 
who just likes to go with the flow.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> > wrote:
> > 
> > > ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program 
> > 
> > He never said he practiced TM, Shemp.
> 
> 
> 
> He said he meditated regularly.
> 
> And within the context of the discussion that was going on when he 
> said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program.
> 
> If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and 
then 
> I'll stand corrected.
>

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

on 8/12/06 11:22 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of
> us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us

Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled
over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a
saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts
and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.

When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet
was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need."

He may have said that, because he sometimes does try to give the impression that he is above physical needs, but all his suites over the years have had toilets. He eats food and it comes out the other end, just like the rest of us. I’ve heard him fart, pee, and while traveling, he had to make bathroom stops, just like the rest of us. His girlfriends said he ejaculates. He’s had operations on his eyes, prostate, heart and other health problems. He’s been banged up in car and helicopter accidents, nearly electrocuted by a faulty tape recorder, etc.

None of these things are to his detriment. I mention them just to divest Nablus of the fantasy that MMY is not a human being.

__._,_.___

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!'

YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

__,_._,___

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program 
> 
> He never said he practiced TM, Shemp.

He said he meditated regularly.

And within the context of the discussion that was going on when he 
said it, I assumed he meant the TM Program.

If it isn't TM that he practises, I hope he'll let us know and then 
I'll stand corrected.

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> ...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program 

He never said he practiced TM, Shemp.







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> > a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest 
of 
> > us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us 
> 
> Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words 
spilled 
> over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a 
> saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish 
thoughts 
> and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.
> 
> When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the 
toilet 
> was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need."


Does anyone have the number of a good Deprogrammer?

Nablus needs one...quick!






To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of 
> > us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us 
> 
> Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled 
> over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a 
> saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts 
> and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.
> 
> When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the 
toilet 
> was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need."

Does he prefer squatting over a bucket, perhaps?







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread nablus108


> a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of 
> us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us 

Do you know anything about this ? Or is it simply the words spilled 
over by your silly ignorance ? Have you lived in the company of a 
saint, or is your life dominated by foolish company, foolish thoughts 
and low level of intelligence ? It seems so.

When building one of Maharishis suites, we pointed to where the toilet 
was to be built. Maharishi said: "I have no need." 







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> No, Judy, no belief in its efficacy was needed, not when I started 
> anyway.  The motivation would come once the relaxation benefits
> came, so the reasoning went.

That's what I just said!  What are you saying "no" to?

Remember the *context*.  I had asked Bill whether he
ever defended something he believed in when it was
being criticized (he had called that "being defensive"
in the case of TMers; my point is that defending
something isn't necessarily the same as "being
defensive").

Your saying one isn't supposed to have to believe
in anything for TM to work was a non sequitur in
this context.  I should probably just have pointed
that out and left it at that.

Once you have acquired the *motivation* to practice
TM because you've seen the benefits, at that point
you can be said to "believe" it works without being
inconsistent with the initial teaching.  This 
woman had been practicing TM for 25 years, so
presumably she had perceived benefits.

One thing has nothing to do with the other, Sal.

  And yes, I did say you needed to do it 2X a day 
> in my paragraph below.
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:31 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> >> You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was
> >> practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or
> >> anything else.
> >
> > Well, you'd have to believe it was doing you some
> > good or you'd have no motivation to continue.  And
> > you would have to *practice* regularly, or the whole
> > issue would obviously be moot.

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bill's next two first dates:
> 
> Bill  "So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world 
peace I
> saw in the paper?"
> 
> Date  "Oh my God I am a yogic flyer, I was on that course and it
> filled me with bliss!"
> 
> Bill "Waiter, check please". (sound of tires squealing all the way 
out
> of the parking lot.)
> 
> Next women:
> 
> Bill  "So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world 
peace I
> saw in the paper?"
> 
> Date "Yogurt what?"
> 
> Bill "Oh never mind, please tell me about where you grew up?"



In light of Bill's last post, the conversation would go like this:

Bill: "Do you think celibacy is necessary to achieve ultimate 
enlightenment?

Date: "What's celibacy?"

Bill: "Waiter, check please." (sound of tires squealing all the way 
out of the parking lot...but Date is with him).





> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons"
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >  That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both 
passive 
> > and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > How can you tell the difference between someone
> > > who is totally brainwashed and programmed and
> > > somebody who is so excited by something they've
> > > just learned they can't stop talking about it?
> > 
> > Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced 
I 
> > speak in terms of "I" and "we" but in the case in point it was 
> > all "Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost 
absence 
> > of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only 
his 
> > word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one 
person, 
> > a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest 
of 
> > us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be 
looked 
> > upon as different. 
> > 
> > But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of 
> > Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint 
> > pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire 
> > hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt 
> > like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only 
> > picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls.
> > > 
> > > Just for the record, the "German study" is a
> > > complete crock.  If you're interested to know
> > > more, do a search on Google Groups in the group
> > > alt.meditation.transcendental for "German study."
> > 
> > Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't 
think 
> > the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and 
who 
> > sponsored the site you have recommended?
> > > 
> > > For that matter, practically everything you'll
> > > find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the
> > > other.  Not a reliable source of information on
> > > TM.
> > 
> > I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for 
your 
> > advice.
> > > 
> > > Most people just learn TM and go away and
> > > practice it on their own without going any
> > > further or becoming involved in the TM
> > > organization.
> > > 
> > > It's also entirely possible to learn the 
> > > TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM
> > > organization without getting into a cultlike
> > > relationship with it.
> > > 
> > > Some people seem to need to establish a
> > > cultlike relationship with the TMO, and
> > > unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything
> > > to discourage that.
> > 
> > Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In 
fact 
> > I meditate myself,,,regularly. But its not just the cult like 
> > mentality referring to the TMO it is also the "worshipping" of a 
> > man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made 
billions 
> > selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing 
wrong 
> > with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. 
> >  
> > > > When I first started dating me
> > > 
> > > Freudian slip?? 
> > 
> > More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating 
> > myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither 
was 
> > her heart.
> > 
> >  
> > > I kind of doubt she believed she was actually
> > > levitating beyond the "first stage" (hopping)
> > > of Yogic Flying.
> > 
> > Wanna bet!!!
> > >
> >
>







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>  That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both 
passive 
> and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs
> 
> 
> 
> > How can you tell the difference between someone
> > who is totally brainwashed and programmed and
> > somebody who is so excited by something they've
> > just learned they can't stop talking about it?
> 
> Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I 
> speak in terms of "I" and "we" but in the case in point it was 
> all "Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost 
absence 
> of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his 
> word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one 
person, 
> a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest 
of 
> us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked 
> upon as different. 
> 
> But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of 
> Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint 
> pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire 
> hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt 
> like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only 
> picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls.
> > 
> > Just for the record, the "German study" is a
> > complete crock.  If you're interested to know
> > more, do a search on Google Groups in the group
> > alt.meditation.transcendental for "German study."
> 
> Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't 
think 
> the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and 
who 
> sponsored the site you have recommended?
> > 
> > For that matter, practically everything you'll
> > find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the
> > other.  Not a reliable source of information on
> > TM.
> 
> I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for 
your 
> advice.
> > 
> > Most people just learn TM and go away and
> > practice it on their own without going any
> > further or becoming involved in the TM
> > organization.
> > 
> > It's also entirely possible to learn the 
> > TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM
> > organization without getting into a cultlike
> > relationship with it.
> > 
> > Some people seem to need to establish a
> > cultlike relationship with the TMO, and
> > unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything
> > to discourage that.
> 
> Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In 
fact 
> I meditate myself,,,regularly.



...and you are, IMHO, an actual practioner of the TM Program whereas 
your Ex is not.  Because she has embraced a cult and done it in the 
way she has, she isn't really practising the TM Program...she may be 
doing the TM Technique twice a day, but NOT the TM Program which is 
all about choosing activity according to your own traditions, your 
own common sense and NOT adopting some TM religion or TM philosophy 
or TM Way of Life.

YOU practise TM; SHE doesn't.




> But its not just the cult like 
> mentality referring to the TMO it is also the "worshipping" of a 
> man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made 
billions 
> selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing 
wrong 
> with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. 
>  
> > > When I first started dating me
> > 
> > Freudian slip?? 
> 
> More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating 
> myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was 
> her heart.
> 
>  
> > I kind of doubt she believed she was actually
> > levitating beyond the "first stage" (hopping)
> > of Yogic Flying.
> 
> Wanna bet!!!
> >
>







To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

No, Judy, no belief in its efficacy was needed, not when I started 
anyway.  The motivation would come once the relaxation benefits came, 
so the reasoning went.  And yes, I did say you needed to do it 2X a day 
in my paragraph below.

Sal

On Aug 12, 2006, at 10:31 AM, authfriend wrote:

>
>> You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was
>> practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or
>> anything else.
>
> Well, you'd have to believe it was doing you some
> good or you'd have no motivation to continue.  And
> you would have to *practice* regularly, or the whole
> issue would obviously be moot.

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to "believe in" 
> anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?).

Wasn't talking about religious belief per se.

> You didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was 
> practice it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or 
> anything else.

Well, you'd have to believe it was doing you some 
good or you'd have no motivation to continue.  And
you would have to *practice* regularly, or the whole
issue would obviously be moot.

> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > Do you ever defend things you believe in when others
> > criticize them?  Are you being "defensive" when you do
> > that?
>

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread Bill (William)Simmons

I like your reasoning Sal!!!


ItsasimplerelaxationtechniqueWAS


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to "believe in" 
> anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). 
You 
> didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was 
practice 
> it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything 
else.
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > Do you ever defend things you believe in when others
> > criticize them?  Are you being "defensive" when you do
> > that?
>






To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

But that's just it--you weren't supposed to have to "believe in" 
anything when you started TM (as it wasn't a religion--remember?). You 
didn't even need to believe TM worked--all you had to do was practice 
it, 2X/day, believing whatever you wanted about that or anything else.

Sal

On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote:

> Do you ever defend things you believe in when others
> criticize them?  Are you being "defensive" when you do
> that?

To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness

2006-08-12 Thread curtisdeltablues

Bill's next two first dates:

Bill  "So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world peace I
saw in the paper?"

Date  "Oh my God I am a yogic flyer, I was on that course and it
filled me with bliss!"

Bill "Waiter, check please". (sound of tires squealing all the way out
of the parking lot.)

Next women:

Bill  "So what do you think about these yogic flyers for world peace I
saw in the paper?"

Date "Yogurt what?"

Bill "Oh never mind, please tell me about where you grew up?"




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>  That's ok,,,I am certainly accustomed to defensiveness both passive 
> and agressive when speaking about TM with TM'rs
> 
> 
> 
> > How can you tell the difference between someone
> > who is totally brainwashed and programmed and
> > somebody who is so excited by something they've
> > just learned they can't stop talking about it?
> 
> Personally, when I am excited about something I have experienced I 
> speak in terms of "I" and "we" but in the case in point it was 
> all "Maharishi,,,Maharishi,,,Maharishi. Indicating an almost absence 
> of self awareness and identity. Only Maharishi existed,,,only his 
> word, his thoughts, his ideals,,,truely frightening that one person, 
> a simple man who bleeds like the rest of us,,,eats like the rest of 
> us and excretes bodily wastes like the rest of us could be looked 
> upon as different. 
> 
> But then I have walked through the halls of his Center of 
> Enlightenment in Huntsville. Dingy, old, smells of mould, paint 
> pealing off the walls. Kitchen appliances that look like fire 
> hazards. It seemed totally void of life joy or happiness. I felt 
> like I was walking through a morgue. No plants, no flowers only 
> picture after endless picture of Maharishi himself on the walls.
> > 
> > Just for the record, the "German study" is a
> > complete crock.  If you're interested to know
> > more, do a search on Google Groups in the group
> > alt.meditation.transcendental for "German study."
> 
> Ah yes an impartial government study is a crock. Well I don't think 
> the German courts share you view. Can you tell me who set up and who 
> sponsored the site you have recommended?
> > 
> > For that matter, practically everything you'll
> > find on Trancenet is dubious in one way or the
> > other.  Not a reliable source of information on
> > TM.
> 
> I have been to far more sites then Trancenet but thank you for your 
> advice.
> > 
> > Most people just learn TM and go away and
> > practice it on their own without going any
> > further or becoming involved in the TM
> > organization.
> > 
> > It's also entirely possible to learn the 
> > TM-Sidhis and/or become involved with the TM
> > organization without getting into a cultlike
> > relationship with it.
> > 
> > Some people seem to need to establish a
> > cultlike relationship with the TMO, and
> > unfortunately the TMO doesn't do anything
> > to discourage that.
> 
> Absolutely and I couldn't agree more with these statements. In fact 
> I meditate myself,,,regularly. But its not just the cult like 
> mentality referring to the TMO it is also the "worshipping" of a 
> man, that man being Maharishi. He's just a man who has made billions 
> selling a customised version of Hinduism. And there's nothing wrong 
> with that. Just be honest and call it what it is. 
>  
> > > When I first started dating me
> > 
> > Freudian slip?? 
> 
> More like a reality check,,,in the final analysis I was dating 
> myself. Her mind was no where to be found, then again neither was 
> her heart.
> 
>  
> > I kind of doubt she believed she was actually
> > levitating beyond the "first stage" (hopping)
> > of Yogic Flying.
> 
> Wanna bet!!!
> >
>






To subscribe, send a message to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Or go to: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
and click 'Join This Group!' 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello Fairfield,,,I'm sensing some defensiveness