Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
One account - multiple aliases. No moderators. Who cares? On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:18 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin *jocus;* perhaps akin to Old High German *gehan* to say, Sanskrit *yācati* he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: *Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart.* *(BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.)* *And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL.* Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? ** *The more messages, the better - that's what I think.* ** You got zero messages from me - what you got was a choice to read my messages or not to read them. Time for some moderation. I agree, especially since he says the same three things over and over. What we need on FFL is more messages, not less. That's one of the problems with FFL - nobody is serious enough to keep a conversation going for long. Most messages wind up in the shit house after a few hours. I've probably posted 10,000 messages here without a response - about music, history, yoga, you name it. It's almost like trying to have a conversation with a group of deaf mutes. And then there's the geezerfreak with a hit and run - two posts since 2006. Go figure. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:54 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : My informants report that it's a desperate attempt by Wilytex to make it all about Wilytex. They say he's been stuck on repeat down on the cemetery where he lives in Texas for many moons now and doesn't even make much sense anymore. Go figure. Well, he's speakin' Share's language at least. Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. I agree, especially since he says the same three things over and over.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Richard, this one made me smile, thank you. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 6:44 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: One account - multiple aliases. No moderators. Who cares? On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:18 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
and nothing but net! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : One account - multiple aliases. No moderators. Who cares? On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:18 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...; authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
This statement made my informants in Texas laugh heartily: I've probably posted 10,000 messages here without a response.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Obviously it was an attempt at a joke. The point is, you can't even make up meaningful jokes. Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
*And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL.* ** So, you've never seen an episode of Dr. Who on TV - I'm sure this won't be lost on Barry. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Obviously it was an attempt at a joke. The point is, you can't even make up meaningful jokes. Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin *jocus;* perhaps akin to Old High German *gehan* to say, Sanskrit *yācati* he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: *Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart.* *(BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.)* *And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL.* Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin *jocus;* perhaps akin to Old High German *gehan* to say, Sanskrit *yācati* he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart.* *(BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.)* *And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL.* Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...; authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. I agree, especially since he says the same three things over and over. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...; authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Actually he doesn't have more than one account. The other handles are usually due to logging in from email. For instance in my case if I post via email my handle is displayed as Bhairitu but when posting via the web site it is bhairitu. It's a Yahoo Groups quirk or unresolved bug. You may recall that before the limit was listed Alex sometimes used my Python script to get a count. It was simple for it to grab the Yahoo ID instead of the email address. I found out how to do that with PHP (not as simple) but only after the limit was listed and Alex wasn't interested in an update. Here's the Python script listing displaying the Yahoo account name only. You'll find only serious_richard. Seriously? :-D Start Date (UTC): 2014-03-29 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 2014-04-05 00:00:00 274 messages as of (UTC) 03/31/14 19:12 72 serious_richard 36 emilymaenot 26 sharelong60 20 authfriend 14 seventhray27 14 mjackson74 12 awoelflebater 11 nablusoss1008 11 dhamiltony2k5 10 bhairitu 8 turquoiseb 8 salyavin808 6 mdixon.6569 4 merudanda 4 None 3 wgm4u 3 s3raphita 3 jr_esq 3 cardemaister 2 dickmays 1 sparaig 1 emptybill 1 anartaxius 1 Duveyoung Posters: 24 On 03/31/2014 10:18 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin /jocus;/ perhaps akin to Old High German /gehan/ to say, Sanskrit /yācati/ he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: *Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart.* * * *(BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.)* * * *And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL.* Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
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Comments.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Actually he doesn't have more than one account. The other handles are usually due to logging in from email. Oh, I assumed he was pulling a fast one from the good old days when you exercised a bit of self control or took a week off. Here's the Python script listing displaying the Yahoo account name only. You'll find only serious_richard. Seriously? :-D Maybe it's a Monty Python script? Start Date (UTC): 2014-03-29 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 2014-04-05 00:00:00 274 messages as of (UTC) 03/31/14 19:12 72 serious_richard 36 emilymaenot 26 sharelong60 20 authfriend 14 seventhray27 14 mjackson74 12 awoelflebater 11 nablusoss1008 11 dhamiltony2k5 10 bhairitu 8 turquoiseb 8 salyavin808 6 mdixon.6569 4 merudanda 4 None 3 wgm4u 3 s3raphita 3 jr_esq 3 cardemaister 2 dickmays 1 sparaig 1 emptybill 1 anartaxius 1 Duveyoung Posters: 24 On 03/31/2014 10:18 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : Apparently Judy is able to read some Latin, but not much Spanish; and she cannot read one single word of Tibetan. LoL! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, it was a joke about your use of the word snicker. I'm sure you know lots of Latin. About joke: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:44 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...; authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Share, why don't you just make up some stuff out of thin air and pretend you're actually saying something meaningful? I guess that's the only way you can convince yourself you look smart. (BTW, apparently you aren't aware of this, but it's very difficult to speak English without knowing any words that are derived from Latin.) And you know what? Richard is just as happy to lie to you as to anybody else on FFL. Ok, Richard, that's funny about running joke. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears that Judy doesn't know any words that are derived from Latin. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: On 3/30/2014 4:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Still at it...snicker Apparently Judy has never seen an episode of Dr. Who - if she had, she would know that Dr. Who is constantly running to get to into tardy TARDIS. Yes, it's kind of a running joke. LoL! Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too.
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My informants report that it's a desperate attempt by Wilytex to make it all about Wilytex. They say he's been stuck on repeat down on the cemetery where he lives in Texas for many moons now and doesn't even make much sense anymore. Go figure. Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. I agree, especially since he says the same three things over and over.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak@... wrote : My informants report that it's a desperate attempt by Wilytex to make it all about Wilytex. They say he's been stuck on repeat down on the cemetery where he lives in Texas for many moons now and doesn't even make much sense anymore. Go figure. Well, he's speakin' Share's language at least. Why has Willytex got more than one account? Isn't it bad enough we got 200 posts a week from him anyway? Time for some moderation. I agree, especially since he says the same three things over and over.
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Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
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Sharon, I think I figured it out. You were jealous yesterday, weren't you? Was I butting in on your guy? You like to feel like you are at the top of the heap. This is why you took those gratuitous pot shots at me that had no explanation or reason behind them. Just vacuous attack language from you - your dark side coming out. Tap on that Sharon, tap on that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
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Dear Dear FFL Moderators; Please stop this before it gets any worse. This particular thread is heading out in to the sea of needless mean unkindness. Could you please have these people take their personal stuff off line. That would be nicer and more in line with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. If they can't be civil staying within broad FFL subject then banish them quickly from the community. “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” Thankful for Your Quick Attention to this urgent matter, -Buck in the Dome emilymaenot writes: Sharon, I think I figured it out. You were jealous yesterday, weren't you? Was I butting in on your guy? You like to feel like you are at the top of the heap. This is why you took those gratuitous pot shots at me that had no explanation or reason behind them. Just vacuous attack language from you - your dark side coming out. Tap on that Sharon, tap on that. sharelong60 writes: Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
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Buck, I will do penance today and pray for Sharon and for Richard and for Barry and for you and for the rest of the FFL community. I have no intention to be unkind; I was simply calling a spade a spade, given Sharon's unkind remarks to me yesterday. They do not seem to be rooted in knowledge of much; perhaps if she spends more time in the Dome and less time making gratuitous remarks, she will transcend her self. Sharon and Richard, I hold no animosity towards you and that is the truth. Post away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Dear FFL Moderators; Please stop this before it gets any worse. This particular thread is heading out in to the sea of needless mean unkindness. Could you please have these people take their personal stuff off line. That would be nicer and more in line with the Yahoo-groups guidelines. If they can't be civil staying within broad FFL subject then banish them quickly from the community. “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” Thankful for Your Quick Attention to this urgent matter, -Buck in the Dome emilymaenot writes: Sharon, I think I figured it out. You were jealous yesterday, weren't you? Was I butting in on your guy? You like to feel like you are at the top of the heap. This is why you took those gratuitous pot shots at me that had no explanation or reason behind them. Just vacuous attack language from you - your dark side coming out. Tap on that Sharon, tap on that. sharelong60 writes: Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
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On 3/29/2014 9:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: See what I mean? No. What do you mean? In the TV show Dr.Who, the TARDIS is quite often tardy. Go figure. Origin of TARDY: alteration of earlier tardif, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *tardivus, from Latin tardus First Known Use: 15th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tardy http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tardy Name and form, Richard, name and form. Does one really want a time machine whose name TARDIS evokes the idea of tardiness?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:07 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space.
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On 3/30/2014 8:42 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Please stop this before it gets any worse. This forum is not about yogic flying, Buck, it's all about the Post Count. It doesn't get any better than this.
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On 3/30/2014 8:08 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: This particular thread is heading out in to the sea of needless mean unkindness. So, you don't want to talk about the Post Count. Go figure.
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On 3/30/2014 6:28 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, good catch! What do you think would be a good solution to that problem? Thanks. Yes, I think a good solution to the problem might be for Barry, or anyone else, not to post anymore claims about having witnessed paranormal demonstrations in an effort to look like a wise old uncle and to be more spiritually advanced than everyone else in the group. Maybe that would help. I don't know, but it does look like a brain problem situation. And, a big credibility problem for Barry. Maybe it's a case of cognitive dissonance? They Might Be Giants - Brain Problem Situation http://youtu.be/m2WxgKw0kXk On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:53 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
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Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:35 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: See what I mean? No. What do you mean? In the TV show Dr.Who, the TARDIS is quite often tardy. Go figure. Origin of TARDY: alteration of earlier tardif, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *tardivus, from Latin tardus First Known Use: 15th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tardy Name and form, Richard, name and form. Does one really want a time machine whose name TARDIS evokes the idea of tardiness?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:07 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space.
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On 3/30/2014 10:30 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too. Apparently the problem with the TARDIS is that it gets to the correct time-space, but it's always running just a little late, after the crises arises, and not before. Go figure.
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Still at it...snicker Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:35 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: See what I mean? No. What do you mean? In the TV show Dr.Who, the TARDIS is quite often tardy. Go figure. Origin of TARDY: alteration of earlier tardif, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *tardivus, from Latin tardus First Known Use: 15th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tardy Name and form, Richard, name and form. Does one really want a time machine whose name TARDIS evokes the idea of tardiness?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:07 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I was wondering if that's a running joke in the show, which I've never seen. I think that would be pretty funny to have a time machine that's always tardy. Like, you ask to be sent to 1750 and instead you get sent to 1790. Thanks, always fun to learn the Latin too. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:35 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 9:30 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: See what I mean? No. What do you mean? In the TV show Dr.Who, the TARDIS is quite often tardy. Go figure. Origin of TARDY: alteration of earlier tardif, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *tardivus, from Latin tardus First Known Use: 15th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tardy Name and form, Richard, name and form. Does one really want a time machine whose name TARDIS evokes the idea of tardiness?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:07 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space.
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On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of group think in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
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Richard, is your point here that you believe Rama was a magician? O.K. If this brings you closure than go with it. Is this relevant to anything or anybody? I made my point and I'm letting it go. Try to do the same. You might feel better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of group think in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
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As you know, Richard--because you quoted Barry's post saying so--according to Barry, he saw Lenz levitate in many different situations, not just lecture halls or places where he might have had help staging an illusion. It's fine to make Barry look foolish by questioning what it was that Barry saw or imagined he saw, but when you quote him and then lie about what he said, it makes you look like a worse fool than he is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure.
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From: emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Richard, is your point here that you believe Rama was a magician? O.K. If this brings you closure than go with it. Is this relevant to anything or anybody? I made my point and I'm letting it go. Try to do the same. You might feel better. Emily, there are only two reasons Willytex keeps harping on this. First, he's jealous of anyone who has had spiritual experiences he hasn't, which kinda includes everybody, but especially anyone who says he's witnessed siddhis being performed. Second, he keeps doing it in the hope he'll push my buttons and get a rise out of me. He does this because when I or anyone else is critical of Maharishi, that pushes *his* buttons. What he doesn't realize is that I got out of the defending Rama or even defending my experiences with him rut years ago. The other aspect of all of this that continues to baffle me, just for the record, is how incredibly hung up people seem to be on the flashy stuff, like levitation. I've been there, done that with witnessing that, and I really don't understand their obsession. We witnessed this kinda stuff so often that it quickly became ho-hum. And I was never there for the flash anyway; the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). Whatever else he may have been (including being a charlatan and more than a bit of a dick), he could meditate like gangbusters. There was no issue of stilling thoughts sitting in those rooms with him; the silence was so powerful that you simply *couldn't* have thoughts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of group think in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
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Below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Richard, is your point here that you believe Rama was a magician? O.K. If this brings you closure than go with it. Is this relevant to anything or anybody? I made my point and I'm letting it go. Try to do the same. You might feel better. Emily, there are only two reasons Willytex keeps harping on this. First, he's jealous of anyone who has had spiritual experiences he hasn't, which kinda includes everybody, but especially anyone who says he's witnessed siddhis being performed. Second, he keeps doing it in the hope he'll push my buttons and get a rise out of me. He does this because when I or anyone else is critical of Maharishi, that pushes *his* buttons. What he doesn't realize is that I got out of the defending Rama or even defending my experiences with him rut years ago. Yes, it seems that you did. I am trying to help Richard move along as well as he has been harping on dead Rama now for several years now, at least; perhaps Rama is bothering him from the other side? :) Fred Lenz needed a lot of attention. The other aspect of all of this that continues to baffle me, just for the record, is how incredibly hung up people seem to be on the flashy stuff, like levitation. I've been there, done that with witnessing that, and I really don't understand their obsession. We witnessed this kinda stuff so often that it quickly became ho-hum. And I was never there for the flash anyway; the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). Whatever else he may have been (including being a charlatan and more than a bit of a dick), he could meditate like gangbusters. There was no issue of stilling thoughts sitting in those rooms with him; the silence was so powerful that you simply *couldn't* have thoughts. I think this is the main point; the flash served as the hook or draw, but there was *something* that was more meaningful happening below the surface for many that he was able to facilitate (at least in the early years) before he succumbed fully to the dark side of himself, so to speak. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of group think in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
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On 3/29/2014 10:52 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Is this relevant to anything or anybody? Only to those invested in the TMSP. The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? The only respondent on FFL that answered yes was Barry, who claimed he had seen Rama levitate hundreds of times. My question is, how is this possible? It's not a really difficult question to answer. Here's what Shemp McGurk thought of Barry's claim: To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? - Shemp McGurk Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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On 3/29/2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: First, he's jealous of anyone who has had spiritual experiences he hasn't, Once, when I was down in Mexico, I saw God Almighty, His beautiful wife Sophia, and their daughter Ashley, and their son, Baal, all levitating right in front of me alongside the Holy Ghost. So, I'd say my experience was more profound than your experience of seeing Lenz levitate, even thousands of times. My one single spiritual experience makes all yours look like a tiny ant hill compared to a tall mountain.
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On 3/29/2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Second, he keeps doing it in the hope he'll push my buttons and get a rise out of me. So, how are you going to rise up if you can't fly? Maybe you better pad your room with foam so that when you fall down it won't hurt so bad. I guess when you get up there in the air you could push a panic button or an easy button from Staples. Good luck. Let me know when you reach 2nd stage of yogic flying. Try to get it on video if you can. Thanks.
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Below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 10:52 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Is this relevant to anything or anybody? Only to those invested in the TMSP. Oh...well, that would be Barry, right? The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? The only respondent on FFL that answered yes was Barry, who claimed he had seen Rama levitate hundreds of times. My question is, how is this possible? It's not a really difficult question to answer. Then why do you keep asking it? You've answered yourself many times; you must not be comfortable with your answer. Here's what Shemp McGurk thought of Barry's claim: Why do we care what he thought on this long, long, ago? It all goes back to one's definition and context of what real means in terms of a subjective experience. We've been over that recently. What is confusing for you? To me, the important question is: why did you feel the compulsion to tell us that you DID see real levitation when it is obvious that -- even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far from what could remotely be described as real? - Shemp McGurk Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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On 3/29/2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). So, I wonder why after all those years and all those dollars spent on Rama seminars, Lenz never transferred enlightenment to Barry? And, what happened to all the money? Go figure. Rama (Dr. Frederick Lenz) was an American Buddha whose life was dedicated to teaching meditation and transmitting enlightenment. http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz
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On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Only to those invested in the TMSP. Oh...well, that would be Barry, right? Yeah, he said he gave the TMO $5,000 to learn the TMSP. So,I was just wondering if he learned anything about that, and why he would then give Lenz another $10,000 more just to watch Fred levitate. It just doesn't make any sense. Now it looks like Barry has done a 180 and sounds more like John Knapp or Mike Doughney. Go figure.
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Why are you asking all these questions here on FFL years after Fred is dead? Why do you want to know? Why don't you post to a Rama site? Why are you so obsessed with Fred? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). So, I wonder why after all those years and all those dollars spent on Rama seminars, Lenz never transferred enlightenment to Barry? And, what happened to all the money? Go figure. Rama (Dr. Frederick Lenz) was an American Buddha whose life was dedicated to teaching meditation and transmitting enlightenment. http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz
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And how many years ago was that? Why do you give a rats ass? Why don't you update the question and ask it of someone who is currently involved, like Share, for example. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Only to those invested in the TMSP. Oh...well, that would be Barry, right? Yeah, he said he gave the TMO $5,000 to learn the TMSP. So,I was just wondering if he learned anything about that, and why he would then give Lenz another $10,000 more just to watch Fred levitate. It just doesn't make any sense. Now it looks like Barry has done a 180 and sounds more like John Knapp or Mike Doughney. Go figure.
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On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:56 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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Do you think he needs almost or more than 200 posts a week to make this insight clear to you? Do you think he could communicate this in 10? After all, he isn't the only one who says enjoy life and don't take yourself too seriously. Are you just learning this? In your case, my opinion is that you should take yourself a little more seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Emily, I find the majority of Richard's posts delightful so even 300 would be fine with me. Go figure! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:05 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think he needs almost or more than 200 posts a week to make this insight clear to you? Do you think he could communicate this in 10? After all, he isn't the only one who says enjoy life and don't take yourself too seriously. Are you just learning this? In your case, my opinion is that you should take yourself a little more seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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Share, you are in love. Richard, the woman just can't get enough of your insights; act like a gentleman and try not to lead her on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, I find the majority of Richard's posts delightful so even 300 would be fine with me. Go figure! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:05 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Do you think he needs almost or more than 200 posts a week to make this insight clear to you? Do you think he could communicate this in 10? After all, he isn't the only one who says enjoy life and don't take yourself too seriously. Are you just learning this? In your case, my opinion is that you should take yourself a little more seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants mall around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. On 3/29/2014 10:21 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: As you know, Richard--because you quoted Barry's post saying so--according to Barry, he saw Lenz levitate in many different situations, not just lecture halls or places where he might have had help staging an illusion. It's fine to make Barry look foolish by questioning what it was that Barry saw or imagined he saw, but when you quote him and then lie about what he said, it makes you look like a worse fool than he is. If I was directly quoting Barry, I would have used quotation marks. Here is the full quote: I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. - TurquoiseB
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Share, do you care to answer Richard's direct question to you as stated below? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated?
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Share, what the heck do you mean by this? Try and be clear with me. Are you warning Richard about me? Or are you alerting him to the fact he's about to step into a rabbit hole that continues down through the earth's core to the other side of the planet and the space beyond? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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On 3/29/2014 10:21 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: according to Barry, he saw Lenz levitate in many different situations, not just lecture halls or places where he might have had help staging an illusion. Not much credence needs to be given to a few former cult members in their anonymous reports posted on the internet. But, I would suppose that if any of these events Barry mentioned did occur they would have been mentioned here, in the only book about Rama: 'Take Me For a Ride' Coming of age in a destructive cult. by Marl Laxer Outer Rim Press, 1993
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Translation: No, Emily, I can't. But I'll pretend I can, because that's how I do things. Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:47 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated? I've already tried the Indian rope trick and the sweat lodge program. There is a scene in Dr. Who where he climbs up a ladder into the clouds in order to get into the Tardis, which turns out to be much bigger on the inside. We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis - the one like Crag Ferguson has sitting on his desk. Go figure.
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On 3/29/2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: There was no issue of stilling thoughts sitting in those rooms with him; the silence was so powerful that you simply *couldn't* have thoughts. So, for what purpose would anyone sit still with no thoughts? You've already ruled out enlightenment. And, you've already discarded any scientific studies that would indicate any benefits from being in mental silence. Go figure.
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Emily, yes and yes. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:30 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, what the heck do you mean by this? Try and be clear with me. Are you warning Richard about me? Or are you alerting him to the fact he's about to step into a rabbit hole that continues down through the earth's core to the other side of the planet and the space beyond? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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Share, come on now. Why are you warning Richard about me? Why do you see an endless rabbit hole dead ahead? Give me some feedback worth something; what you've said is meaningless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, yes and yes. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:30 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Share, what the heck do you mean by this? Try and be clear with me. Are you warning Richard about me? Or are you alerting him to the fact he's about to step into a rabbit hole that continues down through the earth's core to the other side of the planet and the space beyond? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:56 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, if you would stop parsing my conversation with you, you wouldn't have to keep repeating the answer I keep giving you. Do you disagree with me? Are you talking to me, or trying to have a conversation with Barry through me? IMO, it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. How do you define the word? Is there validity to something that feels real in the moment? Can being stuck in illusion constitute a state of reality for the person in illusion? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: What is confusing for you? Why did Barry feel the compulsion to tell us that DID see real levitation when it is obvious that - even in his own words - what he experienced was very far from what could be remotely described as real? That's the confusing part, Emily. Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying? https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/63670
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On 3/29/2014 12:36 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Why are you asking all these questions here on FFL years after Fred is dead? Why do you want to know? Why don't you post to a Rama site? Why are you so obsessed with Fred? Well, I guess I'm just curious why Barry is a True Believer, but at the same time he puts everyone else down for being a TB. Sometimes Barry doesn't even make any sense - it's like a case of cognitive dissonance. It looks like maybe, but I'm not sure, but I'm beginning to feel like, there's a brain problem situation on our hands with Barry.
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Share, don't forget about this. It appears that you are scared of me, but with the kind of adoration you lavish on Richard, I would think that you would be thrilled to give him the courtesy of answering his question to you and engaging in a meaningful conversation about said topic. Are you able to do this with someone you actually enjoy? He does believe that this is a forum dedicated to yogic flying, after all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Share, do you care to answer Richard's direct question to you as stated below? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:24 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: The question posed was has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying - levitation? Are you still asking Barry or those invested in the TMSP, like Share? Why don't you ask Share? Asking anyone. Share, Judy, or anybody that knows about the program. I don't rule out levitation or becoming invisible, or even predicting the future in order to avoid the danger that lies ahead - I just want to know if anyone has experienced 2nd stage yogic flying? Is it complicated?
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Well Richard, it *is* hard to see ourselves for who we are, is it not? Have you picked up on any of the feedback I've been giving you? Give it timeand have a pleasant tomorrow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/29/2014 12:36 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Why are you asking all these questions here on FFL years after Fred is dead? Why do you want to know? Why don't you post to a Rama site? Why are you so obsessed with Fred? Well, I guess I'm just curious why Barry is a True Believer, but at the same time he puts everyone else down for being a TB. Sometimes Barry doesn't even make any sense - it's like a case of cognitive dissonance. It looks like maybe, but I'm not sure, but I'm beginning to feel like, there's a brain problem situation on our hands with Barry.
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On 3/29/2014 12:37 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: And how many years ago was that? Barry seemed to do a 180 just about the time he first got into a big argument with Judy, some time back in 1999. Ever since then, if Judy is for it, Barry is against it. But, before that, he was a TB defending Rama against accusations by Andrew Skolnick. Go figure.
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On 3/29/2014 12:47 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: We are thinking about buying us a little Tardis HA HA HA HA. SHARE, can you divine one of Richard's meaningful insights out of this statement of his? In some ways, things are smaller on the outside of the Tardis. Go figure.
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On 3/29/2014 12:55 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL - it was a psychic siddhi-float with altered perceptions. I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. - TurquoiseB
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Richard, I admit I feel compassion for this Lenz fellow if he got into altering the perceptions of other people psychically. No wonder he ended up committing suicide. Anyway, just in case you're still wondering as Emily suggests: I have not experienced the 2nd stage of yogic flying. Go figure! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:45 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:55 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: it all depends on how word real is defined and within what context it is defined within. According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL - it was a psychic siddhi-float with altered perceptions. I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level. But there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. The most he'd ever say was, Watch. He never said *what* to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who saw it agreed on what was seen. - TurquoiseB
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On 3/29/2014 12:56 PM, Share Long wrote: Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. Share, we have to ask ourselves why somebody would want to levitate themselves up into the air in front of a group of people when everyone knows that with a Tardis, you are able to rise way up higher than just two feet, and even go forward or backwards in time.
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On 3/29/2014 12:58 PM, Share Long wrote: Watch out, Richard, endless rabbit hole dead ahead! Yes, I think maybe, but I'm not sure, but it's starting to look like, we've got a brain problem situation on our hands.
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Richard, I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! You might wonder what's in a name. Then again, you might not! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:51 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:56 PM, Share Long wrote: Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. Share, we have to ask ourselves why somebody would want to levitate themselves up into the air in front of a group of people when everyone knows that with a Tardis, you are able to rise way up higher than just two feet, and even go forward or backwards in time.
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On 3/29/2014 2:50 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I admit I feel compassion for this Lenz fellow if he got into altering the perceptions of other people psychically. No wonder he ended up committing suicide. Yes I agree, we all should feel compassion for Lenz. And for Barry too, for going through all this, so we don't have to. Barry walked the walk, but now he's not talking the talk, since he turned 180. Go figure. Look what happened to Barry after all those years of trance-induction and mind control. You never know what is going to happen when you are so susceptible to suggestion and you come under the hypnotic influence of a master magician like Lenz. From what I've read, Lenz made don Juan Matus look like a piker. Anyway, just in case you're still wondering as Emily suggests: I have not experienced the 2nd stage of yogic flying. Go figure!
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On 3/29/2014 2:38 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Have you picked up on any of the feedback I've been giving you? Yes, and we thank you for that. It's just that when the cult members put Fred up on a pedestal, and had him sit cross-legged up on that stage, dressed in a suit and tie, and they all sat staring right at Lenz's third eye and called him The Zen Master Rama, the only enlightened being on the entire planet, that I start to question their sanity, because everyone knows he was just another guy. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! You might wonder what's in a name. Then again, you might not! No, not like tardy at all. Look it up. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:51 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:56 PM, Share Long wrote: Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. Share, we have to ask ourselves why somebody would want to levitate themselves up into the air in front of a group of people when everyone knows that with a Tardis, you are able to rise way up higher than just two feet, and even go forward or backwards in time.
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On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space. A TARDIS is a product of the advanced technology of the Time Lords, an extraterrestrial civilization to which the programme's central character, the Doctor, belongs. A properly maintained and piloted TARDIS can transport its occupants to any point in time and any place in the universe. The interior of a TARDIS is much larger than its exterior... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS
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She did look it up after her first response about Richard's insight didn't quite make the grade. But she didn't read far enough. Richard, I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! You might wonder what's in a name. Then again, you might not! No, not like tardy at all. Look it up. On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:51 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 12:56 PM, Share Long wrote: Emily, Richard's main insight, imo, is that he enjoys life and doesn't take FFL arguments seriously. Share, we have to ask ourselves why somebody would want to levitate themselves up into the air in front of a group of people when everyone knows that with a Tardis, you are able to rise way up higher than just two feet, and even go forward or backwards in time.
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Name and form, Richard, name and form. Does one really want a time machine whose name TARDIS evokes the idea of tardiness?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:07 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space. A TARDIS is a product of the advanced technology of the Time Lords, an extraterrestrial civilization to which the programme's central character, the Doctor, belongs. A properly maintained and piloted TARDIS can transport its occupants to any point in time and any place in the universe. The interior of a TARDIS is much larger than its exterior... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS
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See what I mean? Name and form, Richard, name and form. Does one really want a time machine whose name TARDIS evokes the idea of tardiness?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:07 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/29/2014 4:27 PM, Share Long wrote: I'm still hung up on the fact that they call the time machine Tardis, you know, like tardy! Good one, Share! TARDIS - Time and Relative Dimension in Space. A TARDIS is a product of the advanced technology of the Time Lords, an extraterrestrial civilization to which the programme's central character, the Doctor, belongs. A properly maintained and piloted TARDIS can transport its occupants to any point in time and any place in the universe. The interior of a TARDIS is much larger than its exterior... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS
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Ever seen Lenz on videotape? There are some very interesting clips of his interview with John Hockenberry for Dateline NBC. Here's a post with a bunch of URLs to those clips (some are just of Hockenberry talking to Lenz's former followers): https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/259454 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/259454 And here's part of an earlier Larry King interview with Lenz: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/259454 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/259454 As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it.
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For people attending Rama’s talks, witnessing levitation, disappearance, beautiful colors and waves of golden light all around Rama and spreading through the hall or room – were commonplace. http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz http://www.ramameditationsociety.org/rama-dr-frederick-lenz P.S. I am not weighing in on the truth of this website ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Not true Richardno need to keep falsifying this point. http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 8:21 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Ever seen Lenz on videotape? Yes, but I have never seen a videotape of Lenz levitating. Apparently this is because there is a certain Woo Woo that can be employed making the images disappear off the tape. Several of the Lenz talks about meditation seem pretty reasonable and I agree with a lot he says. What is strange is that Barry seems to refute almost everything Lenz had ever said and taught, EXCEPT for the part about the levitation, which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Go figure.
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I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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Re: which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Not true Richardno need to keep falsifying this point. http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf http://www.imeditate.com/rama/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 8:21 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Ever seen Lenz on videotape? Yes, but I have never seen a videotape of Lenz levitating. Apparently this is because there is a certain Woo Woo that can be employed making the images disappear off the tape. Several of the Lenz talks about meditation seem pretty reasonable and I agree with a lot he says. What is strange is that Barry seems to refute almost everything Lenz had ever said and taught, EXCEPT for the part about the levitation, which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Go figure.
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From: emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that something was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving
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On 3/28/2014 8:21 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever seen Lenz on videotape? Yes, but I have never seen a videotape of Lenz levitating. Apparently this is because there is a certain Woo Woo that can be employed making the images disappear off the tape. Several of the Lenz talks about meditation seem pretty reasonable and I agree with a lot he says. What is strange is that Barry seems to refute almost everything Lenz had ever said and taught, EXCEPT for the part about the levitation, which he claimed he witnessed on hundreds of occasions, but which nobody else ever mentions. Go figure.
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Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that something was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about
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The latest interview was Menos Kafatos, and the one before that was Jack Petranker. Was it one of those, because I read the write ups, and nothing jumped out at me. Let me also say, that I haven't really read any books on spiritual personalities in about 20 years. The Lenz interviews I read about six years ago. I've pretty much lost my interest in that kind of stuff. But if someone asked me to define what enlightenment is, I'd have to defer to the traditional I am that. But I'd like to know what you piqued your interest in that interview, whichever one it was. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because
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It was Harri Aalto, the Finnish fellow. Posted on March 27th. Rick sent FFL a link as always. I haven't listened to the interview, but read the Intro - it is pretty interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The latest interview was Menos Kafatos, and the one before that was Jack Petranker. Was it one of those, because I read the write ups, and nothing jumped out at me. Let me also say, that I haven't really read any books on spiritual personalities in about 20 years. The Lenz interviews I read about six years ago. I've pretty much lost my interest in that kind of stuff. But if someone asked me to define what enlightenment is, I'd have to defer to the traditional I am that. But I'd like to know what you piqued your interest in that interview, whichever one it was. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a
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On 3/28/2014 12:51 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. What you need to understand. Emily, is that nobody saw Rama levitate for REAL - it was all smoke and mirrors. Levitation is the ability to suspend an object by a physical force against gravity, in a stable position without solid physical contact. According to my sources, the reason behind flooding the lecture hall with golden light and various other colored lights was a distraction so that Rama could APPEAR to levitate up into the air. At one point he used real smoke as a cover. Go figure. Here is how it works: You get a bunch of guys and a few gals to pay you $1000 to meet up in a sweat lodge out in the desert at night. Inside the lodge it's about 100 degrees with about five wood fire pits burning and dozens of lighted incense sticks stuck in the sand all around. Notice how they turn the lights down real low. Then, you bring out the mescal beans and the tequila and pass it around with the peace pipe filled with the cannabis. Then they start the slow chanting and bring in the bass drum. At about this time Rama begins to speak: I am the Zen Master Rama... In fact, all the Rama was doing was what cult members call Stage 1 - bun hopping. Stage 2 is simple hovering, according to advanced cult members. But, it's not REAL levitation, which is total suspension with no physical support. However, there is this one report that is seriously being investigated: [image: Inline image 1] So, who would you believe? A Harvard-trained scientist of physics and rocket science, who said there was no proven levitation event in any peer-reviewed learned journal in the last 100 years. Or: A ex-cult member, hippie writer living in Amsterdam whose leader graduated from Stony Brook U in English literature, who wrote Surfing the Himalayas and committed suicide by jumping in a lake and drowning himself? On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:51 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that something was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive
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It all depends on how you define real Richard. Real as defined by the physical laws of gravity supports your statement that Fred Lenz didn't levitate. However, if real as a term is defined, for example, as a subjective experience, it could result in the statement that Dick and Jane both 'saw' or perceived Rama levitating and it was a very real experience. Whether it was induced by some means is irrelevant to my point or definition of real in this context. That's all I've ever said about that. The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama levitating. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/28/2014 12:51 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. What you need to understand. Emily, is that nobody saw Rama levitate for REAL - it was all smoke and mirrors. Levitation is the ability to suspend an object by a physical force against gravity, in a stable position without solid physical contact. According to my sources, the reason behind flooding the lecture hall with golden light and various other colored lights was a distraction so that Rama could APPEAR to levitate up into the air. At one point he used real smoke as a cover. Go figure. Here is how it works: You get a bunch of guys and a few gals to pay you $1000 to meet up in a sweat lodge out in the desert at night. Inside the lodge it's about 100 degrees with about five wood fire pits burning and dozens of lighted incense sticks stuck in the sand all around. Notice how they turn the lights down real low. Then, you bring out the mescal beans and the tequila and pass it around with the peace pipe filled with the cannabis. Then they start the slow chanting and bring in the bass drum. At about this time Rama begins to speak: I am the Zen Master Rama... In fact, all the Rama was doing was what cult members call Stage 1 - bun hopping. Stage 2 is simple hovering, according to advanced cult members. But, it's not REAL levitation, which is total suspension with no physical support. However, there is this one report that is seriously being investigated: So, who would you believe? A Harvard-trained scientist of physics and rocket science, who said there was no proven levitation event in any peer-reviewed learned journal in the last 100 years. Or: A ex-cult member, hippie writer living in Amsterdam whose leader graduated from Stony Brook U in English literature, who wrote Surfing the Himalayas and committed suicide by jumping in a lake and drowning himself? On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:51 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Re: I try to remember the good parts of the ride. Clearly, you've moved on. Richard, on the other hand, hasn't. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of enlightenment - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that something was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened
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I couldn't get to the interviews from those links. But from the links provided a few months ago, I'd say that he came off better in print than he did on live interviews.
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Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestlya remarkable level of consciousness. My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their teacher and leader. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase altered perception. Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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Hate to tell you this, Feebs, but you're hallucinating again. Nowhere did I say anything about an apology. Is that your guilty conscience talking? Judy's got another addition to her crib sheet. All those alleged infractions requiring an apology. I wonder how long the list is now. I wonder if she goes over them each night before beddybye. That might explain some things. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And left dangling is your failure to chastise either Barry or Steve concerning their vile speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage. Talk about hypocrisy... How you can face yourself in the mirror, I can't imagine. Judy, it sounded like turq had shown them what you had written. Whereas you're going by one utterance of his, whom you often call a liar! Almost none of us here have direct experience of the rest of us. IMO that's a good reason to reserve judgement or at least err on the positive side. Speaking of which, I was actually shocked, which is a good thing, by what you said about turq's family because I had never heard you say something like that about individuals who don't even post here. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:11 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Thank you for posting what I actually said. Try not to distort it next time, OK? What I wrote was quite clear and direct before you tried to turn it into innuendo, implication, obfuscation, and indirect accusation. And I note that, as predicted, you avoided answering my question. That's because you couldn't answer it honesty without its reflecting poorly on Barry's family. Judy, I think you are very good at innuendo, implication, obfuscation and indirect accusation. Here is what you wrote: For all we know, his family approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL...Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. I hadn't thought there was any evidence for either her speculation or mine, so I was startled (but gratified!) when Barry handily supplied the evidence for my speculation (even if he didn't quite realize that's what he was doing). On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:49 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Not what I said, Share. If you have to misquote to make your point, you know there's something wrong with it. BTW, has Barry's family had a lot of direct and negative experience with me? (Share won't answer this question. And of course she isn't going to chastise Barry or the Feeb for their disgusting speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage.) Yep, Judy and you're still sinking! In this case by leaving off the accompanying part where you suggested that his family is as rotten as turq; and later when you said you were shocked but gratified to conclude that they are! Based on one utterance of his! People with whom you have had no direct contact?! FWIW, it would take a heck of a lot of direct and negative experience with a person in order for me to think of them as rotten. And there is NOTHING that would make me feel gratified to come to such conclusion about another human being. On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Interesting, According to Share, I was sinking to a new low when I suggested Barry's family encouraged his despicable behavior here (and can't acknowledge that I was right). Now here's the Feebo applauding one of Barry's most despicable attacks ever on FFL. Think Share will chastise either Feebs or Barry? For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Father forgive me. I've wondered the same thing. Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to?
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Who knows what you were seeking. Probably trying to ramp up to another Friskygate, which was one of your many overwrought, nonsensical, distorted out of proportion issues. But always love ya, Judy, or at least feel compassion for you. You are cute in your own sorta way. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hate to tell you this, Feebs, but you're hallucinating again. Nowhere did I say anything about an apology. Is that your guilty conscience talking? Judy's got another addition to her crib sheet. All those alleged infractions requiring an apology. I wonder how long the list is now. I wonder if she goes over them each night before beddybye. That might explain some things. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And left dangling is your failure to chastise either Barry or Steve concerning their vile speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage. Talk about hypocrisy... How you can face yourself in the mirror, I can't imagine. Judy, it sounded like turq had shown them what you had written. Whereas you're going by one utterance of his, whom you often call a liar! Almost none of us here have direct experience of the rest of us. IMO that's a good reason to reserve judgement or at least err on the positive side. Speaking of which, I was actually shocked, which is a good thing, by what you said about turq's family because I had never heard you say something like that about individuals who don't even post here. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:11 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Thank you for posting what I actually said. Try not to distort it next time, OK? What I wrote was quite clear and direct before you tried to turn it into innuendo, implication, obfuscation, and indirect accusation. And I note that, as predicted, you avoided answering my question. That's because you couldn't answer it honesty without its reflecting poorly on Barry's family. Judy, I think you are very good at innuendo, implication, obfuscation and indirect accusation. Here is what you wrote: For all we know, his family approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL...Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. I hadn't thought there was any evidence for either her speculation or mine, so I was startled (but gratified!) when Barry handily supplied the evidence for my speculation (even if he didn't quite realize that's what he was doing). On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:49 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Not what I said, Share. If you have to misquote to make your point, you know there's something wrong with it. BTW, has Barry's family had a lot of direct and negative experience with me? (Share won't answer this question. And of course she isn't going to chastise Barry or the Feeb for their disgusting speculations about DoctorDumbass's marriage.) Yep, Judy and you're still sinking! In this case by leaving off the accompanying part where you suggested that his family is as rotten as turq; and later when you said you were shocked but gratified to conclude that they are! Based on one utterance of his! People with whom you have had no direct contact?! FWIW, it would take a heck of a lot of direct and negative experience with a person in order for me to think of them as rotten. And there is NOTHING that would make me feel gratified to come to such conclusion about another human being. On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Interesting, According to Share, I was sinking to a new low when I suggested Barry's family encouraged his despicable behavior here (and can't acknowledge that I was right). Now here's the Feebo applauding one of Barry's most despicable attacks ever on FFL. Think Share will chastise either Feebs or Barry? For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of emotional issues? We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Father forgive me. I've wondered the same thing. Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to?
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fMRI is not used by the TMO for several reasons: 1) the equipment is darned expensive (a single state-of-the-art fMRI machine would cost almost as much as MIU cost when it was bought, and the overhead for running/maintaining it would be a substantial fraction of the entire MUM operating budget -several $100,000 per year -there's a reason why an fMRI costs thousands per session). 2) the temporal resolution of BOLD (Blood Oxygenation Level Dependent Imaging) based imaging is much less than from EEG -seconds and minutes versus milliseconds. 3) fMRI is intrusive and even dangerous. It is known to change the operation of the brain it is used to examine. If you're trying to investigate teh subtle changes in brain function of someone growing towards enlightenment, its probably not the best route to go. As Fred Travis once said to me, the TMO organization considers the enlightened members of the TM community to be precious treasures, not lab rats. L
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On 3/25/2014 8:38 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : It *is* a viable question, n'est-ce pas? Especially for someone who seems to never tire of telling people how enlightened he is, and so perfectly in tune with the Laws Of Nature, and so much more highly evolved than anyone else here. My bet is that his wife tossed him out some months now, possibly before he retired. But of course, as with any other direct question, he'll ignore it completely, pretend the question never existed, hoping that other people's memories are as sieve-like as his own, and that they'll forget the question was ever asked. He'll lay low for a while, and then start running the same act again. No, he should ignore you because you are an imbecile with an penchant for remaining so no matter how long you remain on this planet. Your conjectures and questions are bullshit, are completely out to lunch and are none of your business. He could fart in your general direction and he'd be wasting his time so why should Jim or anyone else actually answer some direct question you might pose in the asshole way that you always do? Bawwy, you're a waste of skin. Good work! I would like to nominate this post of Ann's for the FFL post of the month. Thank you.
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On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in engaging with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here dodging and weaving and hiding is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. Speaking of dodging and weaving, it looks to me like Barry doesn't want to talk about the Rama levitation event. Go figure.
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On 3/25/2014 8:40 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/25/2014 1:54 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: It's like Judy has lost 20 or more IQ points by associating with the only two followers she's got left, Jim and Ann. Maybe you just don't realize that everyone is laughing at you, ever since you got sucked into this hobby way back in 1995. I've been following you and Judy since 1998 and I saw you do the old 180 and turned on your old gurus, but Judy has always stuck to her guns. We are all equal here - you can be anything you want to be - it's your message. Nice post. You get a gold star and I don't give these out easily. Thanks. How many IQ points do I get for a gold star?
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On 3/25/2014 7:10 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: So, what do you make of the first sentence on the page you linked to at the bottom of your post. If Buddhism is all about enlightenment, what does this experience represent? Does it indicate that all those commentaries and books, which presumably discuss enlightenment, might have something wrong with them? Like maybe they were all nonsense? A special teaching outside the scriptures; no dependance on words. Immediately following his Awakening experience Zen master Te Shan burnt all of his commentaries and books on Zen that he had carried with him everywhere he went.
