Thanks Richard! Just curious. I'm going to take a mental health
day as it is sunny outside and I hope you do too - actually, you might
think about taking a mental health week or two, given the number of
monkeys that have been flying out your ass.
Monkeys can't fly, Emily, whether out of
*You* stated that monkeys were flying and levitating, both, out of your rear
end. You stated it so many times that it seemed you were, in fact, stuck in
this delusion. For all your focus on Fred Lenz, you appear not to have read
any of the first-hand experiences of the many students that
On 3/29/2014 12:30 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
What is your point in obsessing on dead Fred?
My point is that Barry is a True Believer.
Ohh, finally, your point. Well, I was happy recently that Judy a
definition of what a True Believer is. I liked it. Are you a True Believer
per the definition below? I am definitely not one.
True Believers tend to believe in Absolutist terms (either l00% true or 100%
false) and they
On 3/20/2014 11:13 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
No, I was talking to you Richard.
The thread is about Barry and 2nd stage flying - I'm just a basic TMer,
I'm not a believer in the TMSP or levitation.
I was simply wondering whether or not you thought you might be, or
might have been,
Thanks Richard! Just curious. I'm going to take a mental health day as it is
sunny outside and I hope you do too - actually, you might think about taking a
mental health week or two, given the number of monkeys that have been flying
out your ass.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
A hundred monkeys just flew out of my butt, for REAL.
Has this ever happened to anyone else? Help me, someone, anyone, for God's
sake,please, help me!
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Monkeys are flying out of my butt. For REAL!
So, I wonder why nobody else
Now about a hundred monkeys are levitating out my butt. Why won't somebody help
me?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
A hundred monkeys just flew out of my butt, for REAL. Has this ever happened
to anyone else? Help me, someone, anyone, for God's sake,please, help
I will Richard. I believe you. Stay with it Richard, stay with it.all day
Richard. Continue to write about it. Can you add a little description as to
what that feels like? What do the monkeys look like?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
Now about a hundred
On 3/20/2014 11:38 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Stay with it Richard, stay with it..
Has anyone else out there ever seen anyone levitate, just once - I mean,
when you weren't high on LSD?
One time down in Mexico a Yaqui Shaman once slipped some Mescal into my
taco and I saw God, his
You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert for a
lifetime spent on the highest spiritual path... The TMO should pay you to
shut up.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 3/20/2014 11:38 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:59 PM
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You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert
Good job Richard. Since monkeys are again flying and levitating out of your
behind, you might check the drugs you've been ingesting and look at the
side-effects that can happen. Maybe stop hitting the Listerine in the AM? It
isn't for drinking, just in case you don't know that.
---In
On 3/20/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
You are fucking certifiable dude.
So, Barry claims he saw Frederick Lenz levitate hundreds of times, but
I'm the certifiable dude. Go figure.
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:59 PM
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You
That was a long time ago, Richard, in Barry's case. In your case, you are
seeing monkeys levitate out of your rear end as of this morning. Catch a clue,
Richard, catch a clue.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 3/20/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
You are
On 3/20/2014 12:20 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
That was a long time ago, Richard, in Barry's case. In your case, you
are seeing monkeys levitate out of your rear end as of this morning.
Catch a clue, Richard, catch a clue.
It was just a story, Emily. There's no levitation or
On 3/20/2014 12:11 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert
for a lifetime spent on the highest spiritual path... The TMO should
pay you to shut up.
Maybe that's his retirement plan. :-)
I might chip in myself
How much? Please post
Really, Richard? Well, I am glad I could help bring some sanity to you. What
is a TB in the sense you are using it with regard to me? True Believer?
In what? That I believe that the devotees of Rama's cult perceived what they
did? I have no reason to believe otherwise. I have certain
On 3/20/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
The TMO should pay you to shut up.
So, have you been able to reach the 2nd stage flying?
The levitation I and thousands of other people witnessed *was* real.
We saw it. We felt it. - TurquoiseB
On 3/20/2014 12:02 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
You are fucking certifiable dude. And quite the most hopeless advert
for a lifetime spent on the highest spiritual path... The TMO should
pay you to shut up.
Maybe that's his retirement plan. :-)
It looks fer sure like we've got another TB on our
On 3/20/2014 12:47 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Really, Richard? Well, I am glad I could help bring some sanity to
you. What is a TB in the sense you are using it with regard to me?
True Believer? In what? That I believe that the devotees of
Rama's cult perceived what they did? I
Richard, why are you so obsessed with Rama? Are you going to obsess on Rama
all day?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
On 3/20/2014 11:59 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
The TMO should pay you to shut up.
So, have you been able to reach the 2nd stage flying?
The
Are you obsessing on Rama? Or are you obsessing on Fred Lenz and his delusion
that he was Rama? Helluva sad story, that one. He was human in the end and
died a gnarly psychotic, drug addict's death. Maybe a trip to Whole Foods will
help ground you. Have a good day.
---In
to understand.
On Thu, 3/20/14, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 6:40
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:53 PM
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Willy Tex just likes to use the fact that Fred Lenz was a spiritual
Richard is the FFL graffiti artist. I'm surprised the doesn't have a
graffitiartist@ handle. Go figure.
On 03/20/2014 11:09 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Richard, why are you so obsessed with Rama? Are you going to obsess
on Rama all day?
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On 3/20/2014 1:53 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I admit some of Willy's thinking and comments are so convoluted they
are almost impossible to understand.
So, Rama was able to levitate hundreds of times, but the TMSP doesn't
work. It's complicated.
On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Richard is the FFL graffiti artist. I'm surprised the doesn't have a
graffitiartist@ handle. Go figure.
So, has anyone achieved levitation or reaching the 2nd stage flying? It
seems like a pretty straightforward question. Why are you having so much
On 3/20/2014 1:53 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
someone can have some good things about them, even teaching with true
spiritual wisdom and still screw up.
Nobody said they were opposed to Rama, or to Rama levitating - I just
want to know how it is possible. Did you ever achieve the 2nd stage
On 3/20/2014 2:01 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Willytex can't think that deeply. He only brings up the Rama guy
because he thinks that doing so will push my buttons the way me
talking about Maharishi pushes his.
I didn't bring up the Rama guy - you did, by responding to this thread
- I'm simply
According to Benjamin Crème, Lenz was very far from being enlightened having
reached a point of evolution of 1.30. About the same level as Jack Lemmon,
Alfred Joyce Kilmer and Alan Ginsberg. Since levitation can only be performed
from pure consciousness we can conclude that Lenz duped his
Richard, are you saying you couldn't be susceptible to mind control techniques
or a trance induction state? Get a grip, Richard. Your brain is not thinking
properly, but thanks for your opinion. REAL can be defined in many ways.
Could you define it; without a proper definition, this
According to Benjamin Creme. And who is his level on the scale according to?
Actually, Lemmon was undoubtably a genius and Ginsberg is a bit of a hero.
Good company methinks. Any higher on this list and you end up next to the likes
of Hitler
Not heard of Kilmer, Val's dad?
---In
Unless its Benjy who is doing the duping, which is my vote.
On Thu, 3/20/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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To: FairfieldLife
On 3/20/2014 2:30 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Richard, are you saying you couldn't be susceptible to mind control
techniques or a trance induction state?
What I'm saying is that the TurquoiseB is the True Believer, and he
apparently was very susceptible to mind control and brainwashing
You didn't answer my question, Richard. We are talking about you here.
Willing volunteers are usually susceptible to what they sign on for, until they
aren't anymore. My guess is if you had signed on with Fred willingly and in
search mode, you would have been susceptible too. The key word
On 3/20/2014 4:11 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Unless its Benjy who is doing the duping, which is my vote.
Compared to the TurquoiseB doing the duping?
On 3/20/2014 6:50 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
You didn't answer my question, Richard. We are talking about you here.
We are talking about Barry, who claimed on FFL that he saw Rama in the
2nd stage of levitation, hundreds of times.
Rama used a variety of so-called mind-control
No, I was talking to you Richard. I was simply wondering whether or not you
thought you might be, or might have been, susceptible to mind control, etc. as
a willing participant who believed, at least initially, in the teacher they had
signed on with. Rama was a sick man, but at the time and
Monkeys are flying out of my butt. For REAL!
So, I wonder why nobody else ever reported these momentous events on
Sci-Skeptic. Go figure.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.skeptic
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. What I saidwas that if you found leaving
some trips moreoften triggered realization than did leaving othertrips,
you'd want to think about giving somecredit to the trips themselves, in
terms of whatthey provided by way of preparation.The propositions
aren't mutually exclusive, you
I think that like when someone leaves
their parents and learn they can do things for themselves, that would sort
of simply explain the phenomenon.Well, sure. But are some
children better atlearning to do things for themselves than others,and
does that have anything to do with
My experience--after some years of living
fairlyhappily with MMY's concepts without examining themtoo closely--has
been that if I take one of themright down to the nitty-gritty, I end up with
aparadox or an infinite regress. At first thisbothered me, then I
began to find it liberating.The
Finished it. Will reveal
nothing. :-)If you did I really would never forgive you.
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I have a friend down here in the south of France who has
a bit of a Zorro fetish. He knows
I've had some enlightenment experiences, and
theywere neat. But so were, and are, all the experiencesin which
enlightenment is not present. I don't make adistinction between them
or long for one over another.I suspect that a lot of people here feel the
same way.They, the ones who can live
On my arrival in Bombay I was overtaken with emotions of "you are
home." I tried putting it in check as some kind of mood making but it
would not go away. I felt far more at home in India with the Indian
people than I ever have in the US. Perhaps you would feel the same
visiting
On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
I have to be honest, I have a hard time with these dichotomous labels
although of course it's helpful for talking about things--and sure
there are Buddhists who are gungho with that label and Hindu tantrics
who are the same way. I'm a Nath and
Llundrub wrote:
On my arrival in Bombay I was overtaken with emotions of you are
home. I tried putting it in check as some kind of mood making but it
would not go away. I felt far more at home in India with the Indian
people than I ever have in the US. Perhaps you would feel the same
Have you been to India?Not in this
life. No. I would love to go. Barring world catastrophy I certainly will. I knew
what you meant, but that doesn't mean that I also am wrong. Even if you came
from there and are now here it still would be like going back to the past to go
there. Or
Thought experiment: An electronic forum like thisdealing with
realization in which MMY participated.Would it be possible for him to
discuss realizationmeaningfully with those who haven't yet achieved
it?
---No because in this forum an expert is too open to
interpretation and question. To
Llundrub wrote:
Have you been to India?
Not in this life. No. I would love to go. Barring world catastrophy I
certainly will. I knew what you meant, but that doesn't mean that I also am
wrong. Even if you came from there and are now here it still would be like
going back to the past to go
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Byron Katie isn't much good at showing me how
my ego screws up my life, but she is a genius at
bursting the beliefs that make life difficult.
I see BK as very clearly revealing the attachment
points that perpetuate ego. Our mind tells
IMO, this is called missing the point. It's
the feeling of being overshadowed that isn't real.
-It just depends doesn't it? For
instance, a fish hawker comes home overshadowed by the smell of fish. That's not
imagination to his wife. Though it might even be his imagination that he
But please do tell what I would get from studying Rama.
You do know I have seen him a few times when I was a kid. As well as Pat
Collins.I don't know exactly. In some ways his style would have
seemed well suited to your personality. He seemed to push the envelope
in his ways, and you
And does understanding that you are attachedto not perceiving
the trick help you perceivethe trick? No, something *else* has to
happen.
I have the trick for you, but you wouldn't believe
me.
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This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic
approaches that fail to explain how an initial
intellectual understanding that one is already
enlightened can be
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\P.S.: The explanation should probably be givenby someone
for whom the authentic inquiry hasactually triggered
realization.\
All that there is, is God.
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---Eckhart Tolle in all of his writings and experiences attempts
In that regard, it's astonishing that
*anybody*who has realized their enlightenment can teachthose still in
ignorance to realize their ownenlightenment. It's the blind (blind to
ignorance)leading the blind (blind to enlightenment).To the
extent that one has faith in the lineage, and
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Strange, simply strange how differently people read
a person's intent.
lurk
You're not fooling anyone, lurk, with your constant
snide put-downs of me! Ha! I'm onto you and your
anti-TM ways.
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It's like watching Doug Henning perform his
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What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was
the
attachment we all have to *formula*. We'd all like
to
believe that there is something we can *do* -- a
tech-
nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some
behavior we give up -- that
On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe
intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20
years or more meditating population in a recent
double-blind study published in High-Ho India!.
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I've been on this forum several months and have
been subject to my
share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let
others decide for
themselves which
Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of
the new Harry Potter book myself :-)How very very
interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow.
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I'm reading Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip'
(fiction), a comedy set in South Florida, and just started 'Eyeing the
Flash- The Education of A Carnival Con Artist' (non-fiction) by Peter
Fenton. The first one is really good- fun and well written, almost done.
The second one is OK, colorful,
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The
for his big stage effects, but the man's real
genius was with his close-up magic. I was two feet in front of
him, able to move around and look at his hands from any angle I
chose, and I still couldn't figure out how he did it.In Colo. I
used to watch "Doc" do his bar majic in Snowmass.
I still say something good could come about from you examining
this aversion you have to Rama, other than "I know people that got side
tracked following this guy" lurkIn what way? It's sort of to late now to examine him isn't it?
Fact is, I just don't care for the pundits, especially
That's actually why Doug was so good at
close-up magic.There was no "other hand." In the trick I'm thinking
about,he was sitting cross-legged with both bare arms stretchingout in
front of him, palms down, hands closed. Then he'dturn both hands over,
slowly. In one hand would be a goldcoin,
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On Jul 24, 2004, at 9:33 AM, Llundrub wrote:
Fuckin nerdy know-it-all. How was this the least bit helpful.
Give hope one hopes. I think it'd be great for sidhas to be
On Jul 24, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
World enlightenment.
Do you seriously believe the pursuit of relative phenomena will bring
about world enlightenment?
Radiating the thought of enlightenment for all beings works IMO and
there are many ways to do it. This is just one. The
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It would take repeated demonstrations, but itwould eventaully
sink in, most likely because atleast some reputable scientists, after
theirinitial shock and dismay, would want to take upthe extraordinary
challenge of revising scienceto incorporate it. Scientific curiosity
can beincredibly
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My aversion to the band you mentioned is also partlywrapped up in
the scandal surrounding the band member. At the time it happened,
there were all thesefans of the group shouting for leniency for the guy,
because of his drug problems and because they likedhis music. And
this was despite
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I actually visited the site and downloaded the book.
I then did a
word search on levitate and nine references to it
came up.
After a cursory reading of several of the
testimonials, I have
concluded that you were the victim of a cult,
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Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games.
Disbelief games?
I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games
when you claim
to have experienced real
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And still another part of it is past history (on
alt.m.t, where Shemp has been a participant), in
which Barry routinely suggests that TMers are
experientially impoverished compared to himself--
including demanding that they relate their
I never liked any of those groups because I
thoughtthe music sucked. :-) That's the way I felt bout
thegroup you mentioned, too, when I heard their stuffon the radio.
Finding out what they were like in real life just cemented the deal
for me. Why do you post phoney
smilies?
To
On Jul 23, 2005, at 11:16 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
I'll bet a dollar that Judy and Barry were monks in a past life,
having very similar arguments. I've been seeing that image all day
long particularly when I read Judy's stuff. Buddhist monks in the
East.
As Buddha Shakyamuni said--'if you
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Yes, eye witness accounts abound, but there also a
general pattern is found: the witnesses
are not unanimous about what they saw. Examples that
come to mind include the Fatima
manifestations, the appearance of the angel Moroni
to Joseph
How big a desire is it?
I know what you're saying. Honestly I have never
felt the actual desire to levitate. Not nearly as the desire to smoke a cig, or
have a drink, so I guess that's about why it doesn't happen. I figure either the
grace of life itself will lift me up to prove
Fuck Rama, put it to
sleep.
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BTW, my wife asks what other
French rock groups do you hate
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