Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/18/2014 3:36 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


yes, the Barster was holding back on us.



He doesn't want to talk about it very much. Maybe the memories are just 
too painful. Or, maybe he never really was in the inner circle of the 
cult, just another student attending some computer training sessions. 
Or, maybe he was one of the top cult leaders - maybe he still wants to 
keep secrets concerning the special kundalini techniques he learned. Go 
figure.


/There was a real Nadia, although she was//
//German and the incident didn't really//
//happen to Rama.  It happened to one of//
//his students, who told Rama about it and//
//was later rather surprised to see the whole//
//story in Snowboarding To Nirvana.//
//
//For the record, I thought that second book//
//sucked dead dogs, and the first, Surfing//
//The Himalayas, was awful compared to his//
//earlier writings (now almost all out of print).//
//There is a rumor, which I happen to believe,//
//that he didn't even write the second book,//
//but had it mainly ghost-written for him by//
//one of his students, and then just rewrote//
//and edited the result./

Subject: Fwap!
Author: willytex
Group: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: August 8, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/oqj67tb



Claims to have left the Rama mindset, but was secretly promoting the 
pushing of buttons agenda.


Aw, Barry, tsk, tsk tsk.  You knew that truth was going to leak out.

But, Barry has become more like a door bell button pusher.   Like 
maybe some of us were, as children.


Push the door bell, then go and hide behind the bushes.

Provides a momentary thrill, but not much else.

Time to grow up!!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite 
well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner.
Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much 
like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours 
pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves.


But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has 
elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.


And as in most religions, some things get distorted.

Helps to explain things, I think. (-:


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, 
there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The 
name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A 
Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that 
Richard posted.

*
*
Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded 
strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada 
(Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of 
Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY:


Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,

for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons

to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….

He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.

You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world

out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would

flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes

of evolution.

He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old

friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.

Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your

progress and sapping your power.“…


=


Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.

Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.

Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,

followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,

flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,

and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.

On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head.

As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like

the wind.

What did you *see*? he asked afterward.

I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.

Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…

==


Are you Rama? someone asked.

Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.

You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years

I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth

and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.

I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I

was no longer a person. This morning I 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

levitation crap, too.

Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap.




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and 
Barry's mind
 


  
Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good 
read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. 
Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative 
in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. 
Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours pushed 
sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves.

But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated 
this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.

And as in most religions, some things get distorted.

Helps to explain things, I think. (-:



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a 
free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE
Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link 
that Richard posted.

Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 

Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other
ways.  He claimed,
for instance, that he had to press
all the right buttons
to help people overcome their resistance
to the Light and to him….
He taught me to fear what would happen if
I left the Centre.
You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
of evolution.
 
He taught me to fear, not just the Forces
but people, particularly old
friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what
we do here.
Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
progress and sapping your power.“…

=

Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
 
Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
 
Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month
and, by mid-1983,
followers *saw* him walking above the
ground on a cushion of light,
flying to distant mountains, sending
columns of light into the sky,
and causing constellations to gyrate and
disappear.
 
On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head.
As he slowly lowered them, he made a low,
whistling sound like
the wind.
 
What did you *see*? he asked
afterward.
 
I didn't *see* anything, one
new follower bemoaned.
 
Advanced psychic vision is
necessary to perceive what I am doing…
==

Are you Rama? someone asked.
 
Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of
Vishnu.
You people think that I am a person, but
I am not.  Over the years
I watched my various selves fade
away.  I fought the process tooth
and nail--like each of you are doing
now.  But it was in vain.
I could not stop the process of
dissolution.  I had to admit that I
was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
I have been cycling...I am beginning to
remember...Eternity
has named me Rama...Rama most clearly
reflects my strand
of luminosity...We're at the end of a
cycle...At this time,
Vishnu takes incarnation as a
person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
that preserves and protects
life...Rama...the last incarnation
of Vishnu...


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :


On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

But to bring this whole diversion (for that is
what it is) back into the present, I really wish that
Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and
it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your*
minds work, not how mine works. 

You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a
few months ago!

I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from
the Los Angeles 
Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's
restaurant in the wee 
hours of the night. - TurquoiseB 

Subject: TM is a Cult?
Author: TurquoiseB
Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, 
and Barry's mind
 

  

levitation crap, too.

Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap.



Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from 
hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple 
of thousand of them, total. 

Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen 
Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air 
for several 
*minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Rama was all about fear and imagination. The guy never got even a millimeter 
off the ground, or accomplished any other feats. You were in a trance, and 
brainwashed, Barry. He also did LOTS of LSD, which he encouraged his followers 
to use, in addition to keeping you in a constant state of sleep deprivation.  

 What about being in an abusive cult, don't you get? You are in DEEP DENIAL 
about how cruel and horrible a person, Freddie was, because you continue to 
emulate him.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's 
cult, and Barry's mind
 

   
levitation crap, too.
 

 Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap.

 

 Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from 
hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple 
of thousand of them, total. 

 Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen 
Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air 
for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
 

 


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's 
cult, and Barry's mind
 

   
levitation crap, too.
 

 Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap.

 

 Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from 
hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple 
of thousand of them, total. 

 Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen 
Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air 
for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
 

 Touchy, touchy. Now, of all of those thousands of people who saw Lenz levitate 
how come no one ever got a picture, a video? Was this verboten? Did this not 
ever occur to anyone that it might be an interesting catalogue of events to 
have this somehow on some format that others could see? Lenz was a raging 
narcissist, how come he didn't invite TV stations to come and tape him 
levitating? You know why? 'Cause he wasn't ever levitating. What harm would 
there have been for some record of this, beyond someone's say so, to have been 
made? Put up or shut up. Your master was no more accomplished at levitating 
than anyone else - which is no one.
 

 

 

 

 

 

















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite 
well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner.




/The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big 
bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out 
in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with 
his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry 
provide this information to us years ago?//

//
//Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a 
kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a 
cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes 
sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed./ /No wonder Barry is so 
angry and strident - he's been turned./


/When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are 
in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the 
anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really 
deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by 
sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN)./


Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much 
like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.


/Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a 
trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in 
their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation 
demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance 
after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. /





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours 
pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves.


But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has 
elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.


And as in most religions, some things get distorted.

Helps to explain things, I think. (-:


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, 
there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The 
name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A 
Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that 
Richard posted.

*
*
Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded 
strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada 
(Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of 
Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY:


Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,

for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons

to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….

He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.

You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world

out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would

flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes

of evolution.

He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old

friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.

Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your

progress and sapping your power.“…


=


Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.

Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.

Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,

followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,

flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,

and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.

On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head.

As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like

the wind.

What did you *see*? he asked afterward.

I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.

Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…

==


Are you Rama? someone asked.

Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.

You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years

I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth

and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.

I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I

was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was.

I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity

has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand

of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,

Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God

that 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/18/2014 8:39 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


levitation crap, too.


/Are you saying that Barry is a liar and a braggart?/


Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap.


/The issue is not whether or not levitation or yogic flying is possible 
- the issue is whether or not you believe Barry witnessed it hundreds of 
times./





*From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside 
Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind


Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite 
well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner.
Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much 
like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours 
pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves.


But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has 
elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.


And as in most religions, some things get distorted.

Helps to explain things, I think. (-:


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, 
there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The 
name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A 
Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that 
Richard posted.

*
*
Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded 
strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada 
(Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of 
Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY:


Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
out there.  Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would
flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
of evolution.
He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
progress and sapping your power.“…

=

Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors.
Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head.
As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
the wind.
What did you *see*? he asked afterward.
I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.
Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
==

Are you Rama? someone asked.
Yes, he replied.  I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.
You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years
I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth
and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.
I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I
was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity
has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand
of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,
Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation
of Vishnu...


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it
is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard,
Jim, and a few others would leave off this
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old,
and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how
*your* minds work, not how mine works. 



You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about
Rama

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into 
mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as 
clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a 
phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell 
test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to 
the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A 
good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. 


 
 The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks 
just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book 
by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still 
somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to 
us years ago?
 
 Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of 
reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all 
seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a 
cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's 
been turned.
 
 When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a 
cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, 
and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just 
sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults 
and cult awareness networks (CAN).
 
 Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like 
Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.




 
 Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction 
state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is 
going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have 
to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of 
fraud and deception over a decade. 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours pushed 
sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. 
 
 But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated 
this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.
 
 
 And as in most religions, some things get distorted.
 
 
 Helps to explain things, I think. (-:
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
 
 If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a 
free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted. 
 
 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 
 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution.
  
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 
 
 =
 
 
 Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
  
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
  
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
  
 On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head.
 As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
 the wind.
  
 What did you *see*? he asked afterward.
  
 I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned.
  
 Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is explained in the book, a very simple manipulation - Lenz spoke all the 
time about levitation and other powers and abilities. He would then get his 
drugged out, sleepless zombies together, haul them out to the desert at 2 AM, 
and maybe dance around, and then ask, What did you see? He would wait until 
someone volunteered that he was flying/invisible/transformed into 
light/godlike, and then simply agree. After this evidence was presented, 
others would agree that they had seen it too - very 'witches of Salem', only in 
reverse, so that those in attendance, self-deluded themselves into seeing all 
sorts of miracles, from Zen Master Rama, The Living God. Lots of peer 
pressure.  

 Lenz was also a master at pitting his students against each other - This is 
why Barry thrives on conflict, vs. discussion. This is why he keeps tiredly 
bringing up these fake supernatural events - He can't believe, yet, that he, 
along with many others, was duped, exploited, and abused. Horribly abused. I 
can imagine Lenz making cruel fun of Barry, publicly, as he did with anyone he 
perceived as the slightest threat, and Barry trying to laugh about his own, 
open castigation and shaming, from a man he respected, and possibly loved, and 
then having to pony up serious cash, for another month, of doing more of the 
same. For years. Makes me shudder, the damage that was inflicted.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's 
cult, and Barry's mind
 

   
levitation crap, too.
 

 Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap.

 

 Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from 
hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple 
of thousand of them, total. 

 Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen 
Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air 
for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
 

 Touchy, touchy. Now, of all of those thousands of people who saw Lenz levitate 
how come no one ever got a picture, a video? Was this verboten? Did this not 
ever occur to anyone that it might be an interesting catalogue of events to 
have this somehow on some format that others could see? Lenz was a raging 
narcissist, how come he didn't invite TV stations to come and tape him 
levitating? You know why? 'Cause he wasn't ever levitating. What harm would 
there have been for some record of this, beyond someone's say so, to have been 
made? Put up or shut up. Your master was no more accomplished at levitating 
than anyone else - which is no one.
 

 

 

 

 

 






















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as 
bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on 
him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, 
to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing 
and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue 
to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now 
the abuser.


/You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - 
apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the 
cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize 
what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every 
few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose 
language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle 
of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he 
never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots 
with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add 
numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!!


He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure./


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
LOL 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as 
you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those 
involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about 
them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee 
is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment 
everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. 
 You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently 
his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance 
of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been 
through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some 
god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; 
jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new 
schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the 
chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because 
he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! 
 
 He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread nablusoss1008

 It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz 
had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar 
around his neck.
 According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the 
Turq wasn't even close.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into 
mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as 
clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a 
phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell 
test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to 
the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A 
good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. 


 
 The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks 
just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book 
by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still 
somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to 
us years ago?
 
 Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of 
reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all 
seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a 
cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's 
been turned.
 
 When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a 
cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, 
and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just 
sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults 
and cult awareness networks (CAN).
 
 Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like 
Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.




 
 Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction 
state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is 
going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have 
to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of 
fraud and deception over a decade. 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours pushed 
sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. 
 
 But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated 
this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.
 
 
 And as in most religions, some things get distorted.
 
 
 Helps to explain things, I think. (-:
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
 
 If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a 
free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted. 
 
 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 
CRAZY: 
 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution.
  
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 
 
 =
 
 
 Atmananda, I suddenly announced.  I *saw* the Warriors.
  
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
  
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light,
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
  
 On one starlit night, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has 
been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in 
some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use 
Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The 
same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. 
Case closed.




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, 
and Barry's mind
 


  


It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz 
had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar 
around his neck.
According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq 
wasn't even close.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :




I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into 
mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as 
clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a 
phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell 
test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to 
the cage this asshole put him in. And soon.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :


On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 
Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's
thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it
sooner. 


The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him
big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is
laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to
escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question
is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago?

Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go
into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone
else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of
paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets
deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident -
he's been turned.

When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old
friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult,
which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders.
Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult
mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and
cult awareness networks (CAN).


Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you
perceived something negative in him, you were really
seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains
all the golden light and levitation crap, too.


Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a
trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz.
Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend
a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total
cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud
and deception over a decade. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


Look, every body gets the pushing of
buttons.  We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we
all do some pushing ourselves.


But, from
what you've found below, it does it appear that
Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to,
well, some kind of religion.


And as in
most religions, some things get distorted.


Helps to
explain things, I think. (-:



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :


If you want to
know how Barry thinks, and how he got so
screwed up, there is a free ebook, from
someone who was very close to Freddie. The
name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A
RIDE
Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E.
Laxer. Available on
the link that Richard posted.


Here are some quotes from the
book. When I read them, they sounded
strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to
call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love),
before he decided he was the final
incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY
CRAZY: 


Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other
ways.  He claimed,
for instance, that he had to press
all
the right buttons
to
help people overcome their resistance
to the Light and to him….
He taught me to fear what
would happen if
I left the Centre.
You know too much to
leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
out there.  Your soul would
be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
flatten you like a bug.  You
would lose thousands of lifetimes
of evolution.
 
He taught me to fear, not
just the Forces
but people, particularly old
friends and family.  It's
best if you don't tell them what
we do here.
Believe me, they won't
understand.  They'll end up blocking your
progress and sapping your
power

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't 
think that's very compassionate. 



On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:42 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
LOL


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :


On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about
as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred
used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their
tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them
weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the
abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment
everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser.

You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked
- apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked
by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have
to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over
the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater
with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out
of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new
schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk
up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him
behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting
on his fingers. Gawd!!! 

He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a 
con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on 
parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, 
sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry 
has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. 
Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no 
interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him 
greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark 
forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the bardo in everyday 
life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got 
done with him. 

 So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the 
biggest cultist, brainwashed master follower, who has ever contributed to 
FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has 
been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in 
some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use 
Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The 
same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. 
Case closed.

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's 
cult, and Barry's mind
 
 
   

 It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz 
had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar 
around his neck.
 According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the 
Turq wasn't even close.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 


 I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into 
mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as 
clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a 
phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell 
test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to 
the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A 
good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. 


 
 The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks 
just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book 
by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still 
somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to 
us years ago?
 
 Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of 
reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all 
seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a 
cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's 
been turned.
 
 When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a 
cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, 
and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just 
sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults 
and cult awareness networks (CAN).
 
 Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like 
Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too.




 
 Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction 
state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is 
going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have 
to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of 
fraud and deception over a decade. 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons.  We all get ours pushed 
sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. 
 
 But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated 
this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion.
 
 
 And as in most religions, some things get distorted.
 
 
 Helps to explain things, I think. (-:
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
 
 If you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, this bit was hilarious!  

 having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at 
him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his 
fingers.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't 
think that's very compassionate. 

 


 On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:42 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 

   LOL
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as 
you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those 
involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about 
them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee 
is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment 
everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. 
 You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently 
his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance 
of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been 
through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some 
god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; 
jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new 
schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the 
chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because 
he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! 
 
 He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.



 


 











 
  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind

2014-10-18 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say:


he abused his followers, emotionally, 
mentally, sexually, and financially - exactly what Marshy did even though you 
won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image.


Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no 
spiritual progress... Barry has no 
girlfriends...

All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity 
of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he 
must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good 
for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own 
state of mind.


 Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with 
him

I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know 
him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He 
strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit 
profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his 
experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at 
least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the 
other fakers on the spiritual scene. 




 From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, 
and Barry's mind
 


  
It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a 
con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on 
parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, 
sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry 
has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. 
Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no 
interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him 
greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark 
forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the bardo in everyday 
life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got 
done with him.

So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the 
biggest cultist, brainwashed master follower, who has ever contributed to 
FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has 
been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in 
some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use 
Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a