date:20050919

Thank for all what you do, Amy, I know that Kerry will be a wonderful
mom - 
I know it can be overwhelming - but please take one day at a time.. I am
in a situation where people I don't even know keep calling me about sick
cats or abandoned cats or etc... I keep asking not to call - but I hate
not to know about it if there's something I can do --- again thank you
very much for all the efforts - our world is a better place because
people like you, and a lot people on this list.. I love you guys.

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amy Wilkins
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: location

Kerry,

Thanks for writing.  Keep me posted on how things go
with the ones you are taking in.  How many do you have
now?  I'd love to hear about them.

I know with me I always try to find the leuk positive
kitties homes.  Since I've been helping them, I
haven't had to give up and let the people euthanize
yet.  I don't know if I could take knowing I failed
the kitty.  So far I've always been able to find them
homes.  I'm sure the time will come where I've
exhausted all my resources but for now I just keep on
praying I can save them.  Luckily, my vet and some
people who have gotten  
my name are the only ones that call me right now.  The
shelters have been calling too lately as they have
heard I help the leuk positive ones.  I fear that
eventually I'll get calls for more than I can help but
right now I've been able to keep up.  Transport has
never been an issue.  I don't think that is the case
for everybody though.  I know lots of animals die
every day in shelters and stuff because people can't
get transports arranged.  So sad  I wish we could
save them all.  

> Thanks Amy--I really do hope he got a home...I just
> worried that he'd been
> euthanized, for lack of transportation. I have no
> idea
> how much that happens--(does anyone know?)
> There's a delay re the NJ FeLV human-friendly cat I
> was going to
> take--handover was to
> happen last Wed but now we need to wait till URI
> clears up.  There's also
> another human-friendly FeLV I *may* be taking if his
> new home doesn't work
> out. If anything changes I'll be back in touch re
> the kittens you have.
> Bless you for all you do.
> Kerry
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Amy Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: RE: location
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Kerry,
> >
> > About the Rochester kitty, sorry about that.  I
> wrote
> > you and then somehow we lost touch.  I would have
> been
> > able to get him to you but the people never got
> back
> > to me.  I talked to another person locally and she
> was
> > meeting the cat to see about taking him.  I'm 99%
> sure
> > she took him but I'm waiting for them to follow
> up.  I
> > know they would have contacted me by now if he
> still
> > needed a place to stay.  I'm guessing no news is
> good
> > news.  Thanks for the offer!
> >
> > If you have any openings or know anybody else that
> > keeps positives, I'm waiting on a litter of
> kittens
> > that my vet is trying to catch and I know they
> will be
> > positive for something.  I have the 2 adults that
> were
> > hanging around where the kittens are located.  My
> > female is FIV pos and the male is FeLV pos so I'm
> > guessing somewhere out in the wild they bred and
> that
> > the kitties floating around may be positive.  They
> all
> > showed up at my vet's farm.  Just to clarify so it
> > doesn't sound like I'm breeding them...  My girl
> > showed up unspayed.  My vet caught her, spayed
> her,
> > and I adopted her.  Later, my male showed up,
> intact.
> > She caught him, neutered him, and I adopted him. 
> Now
> > these other kittens are coming around, not babies
> but
> > younger cats.  Since I know the 2 cats I adopted
> are
> > positive, I'm guessing some of the kittens may be
> too.
> >  Never know though, maybe they never came in
> contact.
> >
> >
> > --- "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Amy---d'you know what happened to the
> > > Rochester NY cat (see
> > > below)? I was willing to take him but I didn't
> know
> > > how to get him to
> > > Chicago. Kerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Amy Wilkins
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:46 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: RE: location
> > >
> > >
> > > Kerry,
> > >
> > > I do a lot of animal transport.  The way it
> works
> > > with
> > > us is that a volunteer drives approximately 60
> > > miles,
> > > more or less if they desire.  At that point, we
> hand
> > > off the animal to the next volunteer.  For cats,
> we
> > > crate them and send a litter box.  For dogs, we
> > > allow
> > > for potty breaks.  Most of the transport
> > > coordinators
> > > have volunteers along the desired r

RE: Ceasar









Hi, Jennifer and Sebastian, here’s
the link – they make carts for both dogs and cats – I actually have
seen cats with two wheel cart – and they do adjust pretty well -but I
am hoping that he still has a deep sense in hind legs that he will recover with
acupuncture!!

 

PS. Thank you for your prayer for Ceaser –
he and I need it!!

 

www.k9carts.com

 

http://www.messybeast.com/disabled.htm

http://www.eddieswheels.com/

http://www.specialneedspets.org/disability.htm

 

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JENNIFER RATLIFF
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
4:12 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Ceasar



 





I am
praying that all goes well Hideyo.  Keep me updated.

 

I would
love the link for the carts.  Sebastian does have feeling in his back
legs.  I will definately try acupuncture.  Thanks, Jennifer and
Sebastian

Ceasar

2005-09-19 Thread JENNIFER RATLIFF


I am praying that all goes well Hideyo.  Keep me updated.
 
I would love the link for the carts.  Sebastian does have feeling in his back legs.  I will definately try acupuncture.  Thanks, Jennifer and Sebastian

RE: for Kerry:my battle

Title: Message








Thanks, Kerry,,, actually I do have the
letters from my vet who had been my vet for the past 10 years, and actually, now
she works as a vet at the animal services division (she is a director of the
entire vets staff there) – she really admired what I did, she had written
to me a letter of recommendations – and also rabies waiver letter for
some of my animals due to the illness…and they know it, too – they know
that I take such a good care of these animals – they are just playing a
game to show me who has a power and who does not…

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
1:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Kerry:my battle



 



Dear Hideyo, I am so so sorry on all
counts -- that the two little ones are feeling poorly and that you are having
this awful hassle.





I'm wondering---would it help if you
had/be possible for your vets write letters stating what a good and responsible
pet guardian you are--(ie you are not one of those out-of-control collector
types which this guy may, in his ignorance, have unilaterally decided). Your
vets could also write that they do not endorse the euthanization of FeLV
and FIV cats that enjoy quality of life. You can send the
officer copies. 





 





Could you download supporting articles and
attach them. Also, so you have anyone else that can support you in standing up
to this guy? Contacts at any local shelter that could call you and say what a
wonderful advocate you are and how counter-productive it wd be for him to carry
out his threat?





 





I'll keep thinking and sending out
zillions of positive thoughts that this is just a temporary and short-lived
problem, Hideyo---remember we're all here for you, dear Hideyo--hugs, Kerry





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: for Kerry:my battle



Hi, Kerry, Ceaer and his little sister
Annie are not doing too well – I think they are still nursing some, they
don’t want to eat on their own.. and Ceaser is acting he is still not
feeling well (they also have URIs) – I have been force feeding a couple
of them a few times a day…. 

 

Also, someone reported me to the animal
control a several days ago having so many animals – and I already did
have a permit, but apparently the office who gave me the permit is no longer
the officer there and apparently I have a wrong kind of permit and have to do
it all over again!

 

Anyway, I had an argument with one of the
officers on the phone yesterday (he told me that all the kitties I have with
FeLV and FIV should be euthanized because they are contagious.. blah blah
blah.. ), and he threatened to take all my cats away from me.. so I am trying
to fight against this battle so that I won’t lose them.. please pray that
everything will go well,, kerry, ,they are my life.. I can’t lose
them… 

 

Hideyo

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005
1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: for Hideyo



 



Dear HideyoHow is little Caesar? I hope the crisis is over?? And
everything is ok with you and your furballs.





 





I am way, waybehind with chores, emails, etc, and now also realize I
can't find your address that you gave me (for mailing the promised pic, which
is all set to go in the mail) on my home computer: Can you give me it again
please--I'm sorry about that. 





 





Lots of love & hugs to you and the kitties, and hope Caesar is
better. Let us know when you have time.





 





thanks Hideyo!





 





Kerry








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RE: new babies


Thanks - they're really nice babies, too -

Gloria

At 03:21 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:

That's fabulous. You and Susan are angels, saving those little guys'
lives. I really feared one was going to be euthanized. Kerry

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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:02 PM
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right!  the OK 4!

At 02:56 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:
>Gloria--are these the Oklahoma 4, with the awfully tragic human family
>history?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:32 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: new babies
>
>
>OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV
>babies
>here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a
>couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have
two,
>
>and Susan is taking two.
>
>Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet
>told
>her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING
I
>
>BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats
>for
>FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)
>
>They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
>Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and
>black
>spot on chin, about 12 lbs
>Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close
to
>20 lbs
>Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white
>chest,
>small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
>Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of
head
>
>and black tail, small build, 7 lbs
>
>I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol,
>to
>see if anybody else had heard that.
>
>Gloria
>
>
>
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RE: new babies

That's fabulous. You and Susan are angels, saving those little guys'
lives. I really feared one was going to be euthanized. Kerry

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:02 PM
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right!  the OK 4!

At 02:56 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:
>Gloria--are these the Oklahoma 4, with the awfully tragic human family
>history?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:32 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: new babies
>
>
>OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV
>babies
>here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a
>couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have
two,
>
>and Susan is taking two.
>
>Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet
>told
>her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING
I
>
>BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats
>for
>FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)
>
>They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
>Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and
>black
>spot on chin, about 12 lbs
>Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close
to
>20 lbs
>Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white
>chest,
>small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
>Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of
head
>
>and black tail, small build, 7 lbs
>
>I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol,
>to
>see if anybody else had heard that.
>
>Gloria
>
>
>
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Re: new babies

2005-09-19 Thread TenHouseCats

i've certainly never heard such a thing--i wonder if the theory is to
get their immune system, somehow, to  mobilize against it?

i DO know of a number of positives who were regularly
vaccinated--because they'd never been TESTED in the first place.
the one i remember most clearly was diagnosed at 4, when she got
sick. so she'd had 4 doses of the vaccine by that point--i don't
really think it's fair to believe that the vaccination "gave" her
FeLV. she was a singleton kitten found out in the snow, so WAS an
outdoor baby


On 9/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup, got the vets name - when things calm down around here, that's a great
> idea - to call and find out more.
> 
> Gloria
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:39 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:
> >Do you have the vet's contact info? can you call the vet to see if this is
> >true and, if so, where the vet got this protocol from and whether there
> >are any studies?
> >Thanks,
> >Michelle
> >
> >In a message dated 9/19/2005 2:35:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV babies
> >here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a
> >couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two,
> >and Susan is taking two.
> >
> >Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet told
> >her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I
> >BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats for
> >FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)
> >
> >They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
> >Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and black
> >spot on chin, about 12 lbs
> >Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to
> > 20 lbs
> >Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white chest,
> >small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
> >Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head
> >and black tail, small build, 7 lbs
> >
> >I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol, to
> >see if anybody else had heard that.
> >
> >Gloria
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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Re: new babies

Yup, got the vets name - when things calm down around here, that's a great 
idea - to call and find out more.


Gloria



At 01:39 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:
Do you have the vet's contact info? can you call the vet to see if this is 
true and, if so, where the vet got this protocol from and whether there 
are any studies?

Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 9/19/2005 2:35:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV babies
here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a
couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two,
and Susan is taking two.

Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet told
her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I
BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats for
FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)

They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
   Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and black
spot on chin, about 12 lbs
   Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to 
20 lbs

   Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white chest,
small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
   Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head
and black tail, small build, 7 lbs

I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol, to
see if anybody else had heard that.

Gloria

RE: new babies


right!  the OK 4!

At 02:56 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:

Gloria--are these the Oklahoma 4, with the awfully tragic human family
history?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new babies


OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV
babies
here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a
couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two,

and Susan is taking two.

Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet
told
her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I

BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats
for
FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)

They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
   Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and
black
spot on chin, about 12 lbs
   Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to
20 lbs
   Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white
chest,
small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
   Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head

and black tail, small build, 7 lbs

I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol,
to
see if anybody else had heard that.

Gloria




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RE: for Kerry:my battle

2005-09-19 Thread Barb Moermond

Hideyo,
sending strength and praying my hardest that things go your way!!Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Hi, Kerry, Ceaer and his little sister Annie are not doing too well  I think they are still nursing some, they dont want to eat on their own.. and Ceaser is acting he is still not feeling well (they also have URIs)  I have been force feeding a couple of them a few times a day. 
 
Also, someone reported me to the animal control a several days ago having so many animals  and I already did have a permit, but apparently the office who gave me the permit is no longer the officer there and apparently I have a wrong kind of permit and have to do it all over again!
 
Anyway, I had an argument with one of the officers on the phone yesterday (he told me that all the kitties I have with FeLV and FIV should be euthanized because they are contagious.. blah blah blah.. ), and he threatened to take all my cats away from me.. so I am trying to fight against this battle so that I wont lose them.. please pray that everything will go well,, kerry, ,they are my life.. I cant lose them 
 
Hideyo
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:31 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: for Hideyo
 

Dear HideyoHow is little Caesar? I hope the crisis is over?? And everything is ok with you and your furballs.

 

I am way, waybehind with chores, emails, etc, and now also realize I can't find your address that you gave me (for mailing the promised pic, which is all set to go in the mail) on my home computer: Can you give me it again please--I'm sorry about that. 

 

Lots of love & hugs to you and the kitties, and hope Caesar is better. Let us know when you have time.

 

thanks Hideyo!

 

KerryBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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RE: new babies

Gloria--are these the Oklahoma 4, with the awfully tragic human family
history?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new babies

OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV
babies 
here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a 
couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two,

and Susan is taking two.

Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet
told 
her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I

BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats
for 
FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)

They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
   Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and
black 
spot on chin, about 12 lbs
   Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to
20 lbs
   Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white
chest, 
small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
   Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head

and black tail, small build, 7 lbs

I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol,
to 
see if anybody else had heard that.

Gloria

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RE: for Kerry:my battle

Title: Message



Dear 
Hideyo, I am so so sorry on all counts -- that the two little ones are feeling 
poorly and that you are having this awful hassle.
I'm 
wondering---would it help if you had/be possible for your vets write 
letters stating what a good and responsible pet guardian you are--(ie you are 
not one of those out-of-control collector types which this guy may, in his 
ignorance, have unilaterally decided). Your vets could also write that they 
do not endorse the euthanization of FeLV and FIV cats that enjoy quality of 
life. You can send the officer copies. 
 
Could 
you download supporting articles and attach them. Also, so you have anyone else 
that can support you in standing up to this guy? Contacts at any local shelter 
that could call you and say what a wonderful advocate you are and how 
counter-productive it wd be for him to carry out his threat?
 
I'll 
keep thinking and sending out zillions of positive thoughts that this is just a 
temporary and short-lived problem, Hideyo---remember we're all here for you, 
dear Hideyo--hugs, Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, September 19, 2005 
1:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: for 
Kerry:my battle

Hi, Kerry, Ceaer and 
his little sister Annie are not doing too well – I think they are still nursing 
some, they don’t want to eat on their own.. and Ceaser is acting he is still not 
feeling well (they also have URIs) – I have been force feeding a couple of them 
a few times a day…. 
 
Also, someone reported 
me to the animal control a several days ago having so many animals – and I 
already did have a permit, but apparently the office who gave me the permit is 
no longer the officer there and apparently I have a wrong kind of permit and 
have to do it all over again!
 
Anyway, I had an 
argument with one of the officers on the phone yesterday (he told me that all 
the kitties I have with FeLV and FIV should be euthanized because they are 
contagious.. blah blah blah.. ), and he threatened to take all my cats away from 
me.. so I am trying to fight against this battle so that I won’t lose them.. 
please pray that everything will go well,, kerry, ,they are my life.. I can’t 
lose them… 
 
Hideyo
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Kerry 
MacKenzieSent: Saturday, 
September 17, 2005 1:31 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: for 
Hideyo
 

Dear HideyoHow is little Caesar? I hope the crisis 
is over?? And everything is ok with you and your 
furballs.

 

I am way, waybehind with chores, emails, etc, and now 
also realize I can't find your address that you gave me (for mailing the 
promised pic, which is all set to go in the mail) on my home computer: Can you 
give me it again please--I'm sorry about that. 


 

Lots of love & hugs to you and the kitties, and hope 
Caesar is better. Let us know when you have 
time.

 

thanks Hideyo!

 

Kerry
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RE: Sebastian









Also… sooner is better before he
loses the control of the entire function – you will have much more
success – can he feel anything on his hind legs.. if so, it’s a
good sign, if you haven’t tried it, I would tried it asap – I had
two paralyzed dogs and started walking with acupuncture treatment..

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
1:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Sebastian



 





I second that. I have seen acupuncture do amazing
things.  The vet acupuncturist who does acupuncture on our sheep, Lamby,
said he did acupuncture on a dog that seemed paralyzed from an attack injury
and the conventional vets had given up, and the dog was walking around after 3
acupuncture treatments.  Worth a try!





Michelle





 





In a message dated 9/19/2005 3:13:56 PM Eastern Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Have you tried accupancture ---

If you are interested, I can send you the link to the website of
kitty carts that Sebastian can use..

Re: Sebastian




I second that. I have seen acupuncture do amazing things.  The vet acupuncturist who does acupuncture on our sheep, Lamby, said he did acupuncture on a dog that seemed paralyzed from an attack injury and the conventional vets had given up, and the dog was walking around after 3 acupuncture treatments.  Worth a try!
Michelle
 
In a message dated 9/19/2005 3:13:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Have you tried accupancture ---
If you are interested, I can send you the link to the website of kitty carts that Sebastian can use..

RE: Sebastian









Have you tried accupancture ---

If you are interested, I can send you the
link to the website of kitty carts that Sebastian can use..

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JENNIFER RATLIFF
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
1:04 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Sebastian



 





Yes, The doctors do believe that his problems may be
neurological.  He is not anemic that I know of.  He had blood work
done about two months ago and everything looked purrfect!  He is happy
when I am around and purrs alot.  Ho does seem a little depressed though
becuase he can't walk around.  Yesterday he was playing with a string and
seemed happy.  It is so hard to seem him like this.  I want to thank
everyone so much for their responses and for there prayers.

Re: Sebastian




I know it is horrible and I would be freaked out too, but I truly believe that if he purrs when you are near, eats, and even plays with string, he is not as bad of as many.  That is a lot of quality of life. Humans who lose the ability to walk also get depressed, but their life continues and they can get joy and satisfaction in the other things they are still able to do. It sounds like the same is true for Sebastian.  Is it just his hind legs? Have you looked into getting him a cart? Just thank god that Sebastian is a cat and not a horse, because he can still live, play, eat, and interact without getting up and walking around.
Michelle
 
 
In a message dated 9/19/2005 3:04:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, The doctors do believe that his problems may be neurological.  He is not anemic that I know of.  He had blood work done about two months ago and everything looked purrfect!  He is happy when I am around and purrs alot.  Ho does seem a little depressed though becuase he can't walk around.  Yesterday he was playing with a string and seemed happy.  It is so hard to seem him like this.  I want to thank everyone so much for their responses and for there prayers.

Sebastian

2005-09-19 Thread JENNIFER RATLIFF


Yes, The doctors do believe that his problems may be neurological.  He is not anemic that I know of.  He had blood work done about two months ago and everything looked purrfect!  He is happy when I am around and purrs alot.  Ho does seem a little depressed though becuase he can't walk around.  Yesterday he was playing with a string and seemed happy.  It is so hard to seem him like this.  I want to thank everyone so much for their responses and for there prayers.

RE: for Kerry:my battle









Hi, Kerry, Ceaer and his little sister
Annie are not doing too well – I think they are still nursing some, they
don’t want to eat on their own.. and Ceaser is acting he is still not
feeling well (they also have URIs) – I have been force feeding a couple
of them a few times a day…. 

 

Also, someone reported me to the animal
control a several days ago having so many animals – and I already did
have a permit, but apparently the office who gave me the permit is no longer
the officer there and apparently I have a wrong kind of permit and have to do
it all over again!

 

Anyway, I had an argument with one of the
officers on the phone yesterday (he told me that all the kitties I have with
FeLV and FIV should be euthanized because they are contagious.. blah blah blah..
), and he threatened to take all my cats away from me.. so I am trying to fight
against this battle so that I won’t lose them.. please pray that
everything will go well,, kerry, ,they are my life.. I can’t lose them…


 

Hideyo

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005
1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: for Hideyo



 



Dear HideyoHow is little Caesar? I hope the crisis is over?? And
everything is ok with you and your furballs.





 





I am way, waybehind with chores, emails, etc, and now also realize I
can't find your address that you gave me (for mailing the promised pic, which
is all set to go in the mail) on my home computer: Can you give me it again
please--I'm sorry about that. 





 





Lots of love & hugs to you and the kitties, and hope Caesar is
better. Let us know when you have time.





 





thanks Hideyo!





 





Kerry

Re: My ANGEL Sebastian

2005-09-19 Thread Terri Brown





Jennifer,  only you can decide what is best for Sebastian.  If 
there is any way you can at least get blood work done, I would encourage you to 
do that.  You can learn a lot from that.
 
Sebastian will tell you what he wants.  Just sit with him, and let him 
tell you.  Sometimes they want us to help them cross over and sometimes 
they don't.  I had one who never told me he wanted help, and he crossed 
over on his own.  The rest asked for help.  It was never easy to 
realize that they were ready to leave, but if it's what they want, then I will 
help them.
 
I do not envy you having to go through this right now.  Having just 
lost my Salome' -- it's always the hardest decision to make.
 
Positive thoughts and hugs coming your way.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
=^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My 
FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: JENNIFER RATLIFF 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:15 
  PM
  Subject: My ANGEL Sebastian
  
  
  
  I have not written for so long because I feel that I have given up 
  hope.  Sebastian has not been doing very well.  He can no longer 
  walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed him.  
  He still has a good appetite.  He seems so depressed now.  I am so 
  heart broken that I cry almost daily.  I am not strong enough to let him 
  go.  I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go when 
  he is ready.  He just keeps fighting.  He is so much braver than 
  me.  I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August 
  1st.  They were wanting to run alot of tests.  The tests were very 
  risky, so I decided against them.  Now I feel that I have no choice and I 
  have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can 
  be done.  I don't know what I will do without him.  I am so scared 
  of losing him.

Re: new babies

2005-09-19 Thread Belinda Sauro


PS.  Congrats on the new guys!!

--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: new babies

2005-09-19 Thread Belinda Sauro


  Nope, my vet say's not to vaccinate positives.

--
Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
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Re: new cat coming--advice needed

2005-09-19 Thread Terri Brown

Title: Message




Sounds like you got all the main points from everyone already.
 
Terri in NJ

  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:36 
  PM
  Subject: new cat coming--advice 
  needed
  
  Dear friends, I need some 
  advice!
   
  One of the NJ FeLV cats will be coming 
  soon--possibly this Wed--to join my 2 remaining feral kitties (Mickie who's 
  got FeLV, and Momcat who has tested neg twice).
  Mickey and Momcat live in my 2nd 
  bedroom.
   
  I have 2 Qs--
   
  1.    d'you think 
  I need to introduce the new little guy slowly--I'd have to 
  keep him in my bedroom while I'm at work, which could mean he'll be on 
  his own for long stretches. :>( (It's such a long 
  time since I've had to introduce anyone---my brood all came as an existing 
  colony.)  Little new guy, by the way, is supposed to be people-friendly. 
  I'm hoping it will help bring my two round. 
  Cherie, who does rescue---she's the 
  angel that took all the NJ cats-- said she didn't think I needed to 
  keep little new guy separate (like in a crate, the other option I 
  mentioned to her). But everything I read in the past says I should 
  introduce them s-l-o-w-l-y. 
   
  2.    D'you think I should 
  remove the negative cat, Momcat, from the room because otherwise she could 
  contract FeLV from the new cat if it were a different strain of FeLV. (I'm 
  very hazy on this stuff but I think I recall Sally in San Jose talking about 
  different strains.) Momcat's never been vaccinated for FeLV.  She's 
  still scared, and I really don't want to upset her further at this point. I 
  dream of integrating her woth my bunch one day. It will be awful trying to 
  catch her--much worse than the kittens and they were difficult 
  enough.
   
  All opinions much appreciated!! Thanks in 
  advanceKerry
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Re: new babies

2005-09-19 Thread Terri Brown





Interesting theory.  I'd be curious to hear what any veterinary 
personnel on the list might have to say about this.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 5 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
=^..^=
 
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FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My 
Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:38 
  PM
  Subject: Re: new babies
  
  
  Have they had FeLV since they were babies? If so, maybe we should talk to 
  our vets about this protocol!
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 9/19/2005 2:35:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new 
FELV babies here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri 
first, but then we had a couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to 
come to us.  I have two, and Susan is taking two.Have you 
heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet told her to 
vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I 
BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV 
cats for FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey 
:)They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  
They are:   Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on 
head and tail and black spot on chin, about 12 lbs   
Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to 20 
lbs   Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet 
and white chest, small build with big belly, about 9 lbs   
Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head 
and black tail, small build, 7 lbsI just wanted to tell 
everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol, to see if anybody else 
had heard that.Gloria

RE: Gracie

Nina, which needles are you using and are you warming the bag of the
fluid - since I have been on CRF group, I learned lots of information -
there are some needles much easier to use on kitties than others - so I
can send you some.. also she will feel better if the bag is warmed a
little... soak in a warm water for 10 min. or so

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Gracie

Ah, Kerry, what would I do without you and this group?  Your caring and 
encouraging message brought a smile to my face, thank you.  I gave Grace

some subq fluids earlier, not as much as I wanted to, but the damn 
needle kept slipping, so I stopped.  I just didn't want to stick her a 
third time.  I know she knows I'm doing my best to help her, but she's 
starting to act like my entering the room isn't a pleasure to her 
anymore.  I can take a lot of things, but that's really tough on me.  
After the fluids, she did lap a tiny bit of goat's milk, (the first time

she's attempted to eat today), so that's a small blessing.  I just 
cooked up some salmon for her, but no go.  The rest of the cats are 
pretty thrilled with all the yummy left overs at least.
Doing my best to keep my chin up,
N

Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

>Dear Nina
>I just got back home and I guess it's about 9.15 on Saturday night your
time
>and I'm sitting here thinking about you and Gracie and praying that she
>rallies. It's just not fair that a little kitty has to fight so hard
and so
>often, but thank-whoever-is-in-charge-of-these-things that she found
you and
>doesn't have to go through this struggle on her own. Which doesn't help
you,
>I know--I feel for you, I truly do It's so heartbreaking to watch
our
>furballs suffer. I strongly believe that having such a wonderful and
loving
>human friend as you by her side is what keep her going through thick
and
>thin--my God, Nina, no one--animal or human--could find a truer
companion in
>adversity than you.
>I pray you and sweet Gracie have a good night.
>much love and hugs
>Krry
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: Gracie



Nina,
   I have found that interest in food sometimes builds gradually.  When Ginger started showing some interest in food and taking a lap or two, she was eating again within about 2 days.
Michelle

Re: new babies




Do you have the vet's contact info? can you call the vet to see if this is true and, if so, where the vet got this protocol from and whether there are any studies?
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 9/19/2005 2:35:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV babies here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two, and Susan is taking two.Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet told her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats for FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:   Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and black spot on chin, about 12 lbs   Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to 20 lbs   Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white chest, small build with big belly, about 9 lbs   Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head and black tail, small build, 7 lbsI just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol, to see if anybody else had heard that.Gloria

Re: new babies




Have they had FeLV since they were babies? If so, maybe we should talk to our vets about this protocol!
Michelle
 
In a message dated 9/19/2005 2:35:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV babies here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two, and Susan is taking two.Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet told her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats for FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:   Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and black spot on chin, about 12 lbs   Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to 20 lbs   Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white chest, small build with big belly, about 9 lbs   Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head and black tail, small build, 7 lbsI just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol, to see if anybody else had heard that.Gloria

RE: Gracie

Nina - I am so sorry that Gracie is not feeling 100% - I just read this
message - I am so praying that she is going to bounce back very very
soon!  Ginger did not eat on her own over week - but then her appetite
came back all of sudden, and I am hoping that Gracie will do the same..

Keep me posted with the progress.. I will be thinking of you and Gracie.

Love and hugs..

Hideyo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Gracie

My two dear Kerrys, 
Thank you for letting me know you're thinking of us.  I've been assist 
feeding the "chicken tonic" every hour, hour and a half.  I'm also 
following a holistic remedies plan set up by Darla that's keeping me 
tapping little amber bottles all day long.  Gracie still isn't eating on

her own, but she is showing more interest today.  She even took a lap or

two when I put some ProPlan sardines and crab meat down in front of her 
a little while ago.  I can tell her stomach is bothering her, (not 
surprising since she hasn't eaten on her own for a few days now), I'm 
hoping it isn't something more than that.  I did try using Cypro 
transdermal for appetite stimulation, it didn't help.  I also gave her a

dose of Reglan for her cramps, it didn't seem to help her discomfort.  
Maybe I'll up the Slippery Elm I'm mixing in the chicken tonic.

I'm pleased to report she has started to perk up emotionally.  She even 
jumped from her chair onto the bed tonight while I was changing the 
sheets.  She wasn't able to 'help', (well, hinder, really), as much as 
she usually does.  All she could do was play 'lump 'o kitty' under the 
sheet as I lifted it over her again and again.  She couldn't pounce, and

didn't move, but I watched her face and she was attentive and engaged.  
Tonight I'm hopeful again.  Thank you for your well wishes and prayers,
Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:

> Hi Nina,
> I am so sorry to hear that little Gracie is having a bad time...Have 
> you tried the appetite stimulant oxazepam transdermal...It does work 
> good on Bandy...I also use the old formula sometimes of white karo 
> syrup, egg yolk and can milk..also can add some high protein baby 
> cereal to it if you want...have even added some nutrical to it at 
> times...Also, in the past have used clam juice on top of some 
> food...Some of my cats just don't like fishy things and others 
> do..Chicken broth works sometimes, too...Lately to get Rascal to take 
> his pills, I put them in some a/d and top it with baby food beef cause

> I can't pill him, he gets too stressed. If I think of anymore I will 
> send them to you.  I do hope she will rally soon.  I know how it is 
> when they won't eat...You and Gracie are in our thoughts and 
> prayers...Like everyone has said, and I guess we all know this...just 
> one day at a time..
> Take care,
> Kerry, Bandy, Little Rascal and the rest of the crew
>
>

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new babies

OK folks - thanks to the Purring Pixie list, we now have 4 new FELV babies 
here in Little Rock.   They went to Missouri first, but then we had a 
couple of openings and Missouri allowed them to come to us.  I have two, 
and Susan is taking two.


Have you heard of this - They had FELV as babies, and the lady's vet told 
her to vaccinate them for FELV 3 times a year - CONTRARY TO EVERYTHING I 
BELIEVED!  I always heard you weren't supposed to vaccinate FELV cats for 
FELV.  Makes my head spin around  - which is scarey :)


They're 8.5 years old, and all 4 are healthy, going strong!  They are:
  Oliver- 8 1/2 yr old male, white with black on head and tail and black 
spot on chin, about 12 lbs

  Phoebe- 8 1/2 year old female, tortoise shell, very rotund, close to 20 lbs
  Chloe- 8 1/2 yr old female, grey tabby with white feet and white chest, 
small build with big belly, about 9 lbs
  Felicity- 8 1/2 year old female, white with black mark on top of head 
and black tail, small build, 7 lbs


I just wanted to tell everybody, and put out that vaccination protocol, to 
see if anybody else had heard that.


Gloria

RE: new cat coming--advice needed

Title: Message



Thanks 
Hideyo. Yes, I agree---I have 2 who never got over being introduced too soon. I 
keep thinking I should try to re-introduce them. 
I want 
minimize the new little guy's fear as far as possible. He's been thru a lot 
already. Kerry
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On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, September 19, 2005 
1:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: new cat 
coming--advice needed

I think you got all the 
key points!  The magic word for introduction of new cat(s) is – do it 
verrry s-l-o-w-l-y for both ends – for existing kitties and new kitties 
– 
We want to make sure 
that both sides has a place to get away if they are not comfortable with 
situation so that they are not stuck there – 
 
That’s said, I would 
first put a new kitty in a separate room, and have her get used to you and the 
smell of your house first - then, you might want to slowly introduce to your 
kitties either through screen door between the rooms , and then, put a new kitty 
in the crate in the rest of the rooms while you are home.. etc..… once the 
damage is done, it’s very difficult to undo (speaking of my bitter experience) 
--- as long as you take it slow, everything should go well – 

 
Older kitties are, 
slower you want to take…
 
Kerry, I am sure that 
everything will work just fine!  
 
Hideyo
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, September 19, 
2005 10:37 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new cat coming--advice 
needed
 

Dear friends, I need 
some advice!

 

One of the NJ FeLV 
cats will be coming soon--possibly this Wed--to join my 2 remaining feral 
kitties (Mickie who's got FeLV, and Momcat who has tested neg 
twice).

Mickey and Momcat live 
in my 2nd bedroom.

 

I have 2 
Qs--

 

1.    
d'you think I need to introduce the new little guy slowly--I'd 
have to keep him in my bedroom while I'm at work, which could mean he'll be 
on his own for long stretches. :>( (It's such a long 
time since I've had to introduce anyone---my brood all came as an existing 
colony.)  Little new guy, by the way, is supposed to be people-friendly. 
I'm hoping it will help bring my two round. 

Cherie, who does 
rescue---she's the angel that took all the NJ cats-- said she didn't think 
I needed to keep little new guy separate (like in a crate, the other 
option I mentioned to her). But everything I read in the past says I should 
introduce them s-l-o-w-l-y. 

 

2.    
D'you think I should remove the negative cat, Momcat, from the room because 
otherwise she could contract FeLV from the new cat if it were a different strain 
of FeLV. (I'm very hazy on this stuff but I think I recall Sally in San Jose talking about 
different strains.) Momcat's never been vaccinated for FeLV.  She's 
still scared, and I really don't want to upset her further at this point. I 
dream of integrating her woth my bunch one day. It will be awful trying to catch 
her--much worse than the kittens and they were difficult 
enough.

 

All opinions much 
appreciated!! Thanks in 
advanceKerry=00

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RE: new cat coming--advice needed

Title: Message








I think you got all the key points! 
The magic word for introduction of new cat(s) is – do it verrry
s-l-o-w-l-y for both ends – for existing kitties and new kitties – 

We want to make sure that both sides has a
place to get away if they are not comfortable with situation so that they are
not stuck there – 

 

That’s said, I would first put a new
kitty in a separate room, and have her get used to you and the smell of your
house first - then, you might want to slowly introduce to your kitties
either through screen door between the rooms , and then, put a new kitty in the
crate in the rest of the rooms while you are home.. etc..… once the
damage is done, it’s very difficult to undo (speaking of my bitter
experience) --- as long as you take it slow, everything should go well – 

 

Older kitties are, slower you want to take…

 

Kerry, I am sure that everything will work
just fine!  

 

Hideyo

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
10:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new cat coming--advice
needed



 



Dear friends, I need some advice!





 





One of the NJ FeLV cats will be coming
soon--possibly this Wed--to join my 2 remaining feral kitties (Mickie who's got
FeLV, and Momcat who has tested neg twice).





Mickey and Momcat live in my 2nd bedroom.





 





I have 2 Qs--





 





1.    d'you think
I need to introduce the new little guy slowly--I'd have to
keep him in my bedroom while I'm at work, which could mean he'll be on his
own for long stretches. :>( (It's such a long time
since I've had to introduce anyone---my brood all came as an existing colony.)
 Little new guy, by the way, is supposed to be people-friendly. I'm hoping
it will help bring my two round. 





Cherie, who does rescue---she's the
angel that took all the NJ cats-- said she didn't think I needed to
keep little new guy separate (like in a crate, the other option I
mentioned to her). But everything I read in the past says I should
introduce them s-l-o-w-l-y. 





 





2.    D'you think I should
remove the negative cat, Momcat, from the room because otherwise she could
contract FeLV from the new cat if it were a different strain of FeLV. (I'm very
hazy on this stuff but I think I recall Sally in San Jose talking about different
strains.) Momcat's never been vaccinated for FeLV.  She's still
scared, and I really don't want to upset her further at this point. I dream of
integrating her woth my bunch one day. It will be awful trying to catch
her--much worse than the kittens and they were difficult enough.





 





All opinions much appreciated!! Thanks in
advanceKerry








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Re: My ANGEL Sebastian

2005-09-19 Thread jenmeyer

How do Sebastian's gums look?  Are they pale?  How's his breathing?  
He could be fighting anemia...but I'm guessing the vets would have 
tested for that when they saw him last...are they leaning towards 
something neurological?  It may help your piece of mind knowing what 
is going on with him...it sounds like Sebastian has enough strength 
for both of you...let that guide you so that you can get to the bottom 
of his illness.  I know it's easier to kind of float about in denial 
out of fear of losing a loved one (I've done it several times myself), 
and while you can't control when a loved one will depart, you can take 
control over treatment...and with that control there's piece of mind 
and a sense of purpose that will over-shadow your fear...You guys are 
in my thoughts!!

Jen



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George--- Begin Message ---

I have not written for so long because I feel that I have given up hope.  Sebastian has not been doing very well.  He can no longer walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed him.  He still has a good appetite.  He seems so depressed now.  I am so heart broken that I cry almost daily.  I am not strong enough to let him go.  I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go when he is ready.  He just keeps fighting.  He is so much braver than me.  I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August 1st.  They were wanting to run alot of tests.  The tests were very risky, so I decided against them.  Now I feel that I have no choice and I have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can be done.  I don't know what I will do without him.  I am so scared of losing him.


--- End Message ---

RE: My ANGEL Sebastian









I agree with Michelle – if he has a
good appetite, please let him live – I have known cats who actually lost
both of legs from the injury, but is living and living happily -may be you
can get a wheelchair for me?

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of JENNIFER RATLIFF
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005
11:16 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: My ANGEL Sebastian



 





I have not written for so long because I feel that I
have given up hope.  Sebastian has not been doing very well.  He can
no longer walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed
him.  He still has a good appetite.  He seems so depressed now. 
I am so heart broken that I cry almost daily.  I am not strong enough to
let him go.  I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go
when he is ready.  He just keeps fighting.  He is so much braver than
me.  I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August
1st.  They were wanting to run alot of tests.  The tests were very
risky, so I decided against them.  Now I feel that I have no choice and I
have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can
be done.  I don't know what I will do without him.  I am so scared of
losing him.

Re: My ANGEL Sebastian




I think that it is reasonable to feel like you should let him be, and let him live, especially since he still has a good appetite. Does he like attention?  I don't know if you were on the list in January, when my Simon, who ultimately died a month later, was so bad he was unable to walk, etc.  Everybody on the list, including me and the vets, thought he was dying.  Many people thought I should euthanize him. But even though he was not eating or anything, he purred when I pet him, so I just stayed with him.  Three days later, when I thought he would be dead within hours, steroids given days earlier kicked in and he improved to the point that he was running around the next day.  He had only one more month, but it was a good month.  I am glad that I did not euthanize him then.  You do not know what will happen.
 
However, I also think that you are right to rethink doing the tests now that he is in such bad shape.  I think it might be worth the risk.  But that is a tough call too.
 
I am so sorry that you are going through this. I have been there. There is nothing worse.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 9/19/2005 1:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have not written for so long because I feel that I have given up hope.  Sebastian has not been doing very well.  He can no longer walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed him.  He still has a good appetite.  He seems so depressed now.  I am so heart broken that I cry almost daily.  I am not strong enough to let him go.  I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go when he is ready.  He just keeps fighting.  He is so much braver than me.  I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August 1st.  They were wanting to run alot of tests.  The tests were very risky, so I decided against them.  Now I feel that I have no choice and I have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can be done.  I don't know what I will do without him.  I am so scared of losing him.

My ANGEL Sebastian

2005-09-19 Thread JENNIFER RATLIFF


I have not written for so long because I feel that I have given up hope.  Sebastian has not been doing very well.  He can no longer walk and he relies on me to take him to the litter box and to feed him.  He still has a good appetite.  He seems so depressed now.  I am so heart broken that I cry almost daily.  I am not strong enough to let him go.  I feel that it isn't up to me to play god and that he will go when he is ready.  He just keeps fighting.  He is so much braver than me.  I took him to the Virginia Tech Veterinary hospital on August 1st.  They were wanting to run alot of tests.  The tests were very risky, so I decided against them.  Now I feel that I have no choice and I have to find out what is wrong with him and see if there is something that can be done.  I don't know what I will do without him.  I am so scared of losing him.

RE: new cat coming--advice needed

Title: Message

Thank
you Cherie---these are all great ideas. Appreciated!
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, September 19, 2005
11:48 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: new
cat coming--advice needed
I have had great success with introductions..actually I am introducing
one right now.I keep the new one closed up for a day and take blanets out on
the new ones room for the others to smell...then day two I leave the door open
and let everyone meet (with me there of course) I do this 4 or five
timesthen day three, four I keep the door open ONLY when I am at home,
there is usually a lot of hissing but that is it by day five an I keep it open
at night when I can listen then by day six and seven they are pretty used to
each other, so the new one may hide but often enough one of the others has taken
her under their wing.
GODD LUCK :-))"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear friends, I need some
advice!
One of the NJ FeLV cats will be coming
soon--possibly this Wed--to join my 2 remaining feral kitties (Mickie who's
got FeLV, and Momcat who has tested neg twice).
Mickey and Momcat live in my 2nd
bedroom.
I have 2 Qs--
1. d'you think
I need to introduce the new little guy slowly--I'd have to
keep him in my bedroom while I'm at work, which could mean he'll be on
his own for long stretches. :>( (It's such a long
time since I've had to introduce anyone---my brood all came as an existing
colony.) Little new guy, by the way, is supposed to be people-friendly.
I'm hoping it will help bring my two round.
Cherie, who does rescue---she's the
angel that took all the NJ cats-- said she didn't think I needed to
keep little new guy separate (like in a crate, the other option I
mentioned to her). But everything I read in the past says I should
introduce them s-l-o-w-l-y.
2. D'you think I should
remove the negative cat, Momcat, from the room because otherwise she could
contract FeLV from the new cat if it were a different strain of FeLV. (I'm
very hazy on this stuff but I think I recall Sally in San Jose talking about
different strains.) Momcat's never been vaccinated for FeLV. She's
still scared, and I really don't want to upset her further at this point. I
dream of integrating her woth my bunch one day. It will be awful trying to
catch her--much worse than the kittens and they were difficult
enough.
All opinions much appreciated!! Thanks in
advanceKerry
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Re: new cat coming--advice needed

2005-09-19 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I have had great success with introductions..actually I am introducing one right now.I keep the new one closed up for a day and take blanets out on the new ones room for the others to smell...then day two I leave the door open and let everyone meet (with me there of course) I do this 4 or five timesthen day three, four I keep the door open ONLY when I am at home, there is usually a lot of hissing but that is it by day five an I keep it open at night when I can listen then by day six and seven they are pretty used to each other, so the new one may hide but often enough one of the others has taken her under their wing.
GODD LUCK :-))"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear friends, I need some advice!
One of the NJ FeLV cats will be coming soon--possibly this Wed--to join my 2 remaining feral kitties (Mickie who's got FeLV, and Momcat who has tested neg twice).
Mickey and Momcat live in my 2nd bedroom.
I have 2 Qs--
1. d'you think I need to introduce the new little guy slowly--I'd have to keep him in my bedroom while I'm at work, which could mean he'll be on his own for long stretches. :>( (It's such a long time since I've had to introduce anyone---my brood all came as an existing colony.) Little new guy, by the way, is supposed to be people-friendly. I'm hoping it will help bring my two round.
Cherie, who does rescue---she's the angel that took all the NJ cats-- said she didn't think I needed to keep little new guy separate (like in a crate, the other option I mentioned to her). But everything I read in the past says I should introduce them s-l-o-w-l-y.
2. D'you think I should remove the negative cat, Momcat, from the room because otherwise she could contract FeLV from the new cat if it were a different strain of FeLV. (I'm very hazy on this stuff but I think I recall Sally in San Jose talking about different strains.) Momcat's never been vaccinated for FeLV. She's still scared, and I really don't want to upset her further at this point. I dream of integrating her woth my bunch one day. It will be awful trying to catch her--much worse than the kittens and they were difficult enough.
All opinions much appreciated!! Thanks in advanceKerry
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new cat coming--advice needed