RE: more questions and thankyou

[Lance]

El,

>From everything I've read, the virus is extremely fragile. It can only
live outside
of a cat for, at most, a few minutes. I think I read that it can hold
together 
in water for longer, so I make sure I don't drop any water when I'm
carrying
bowls. Unless, the cats are sneezing like crazy, I doubt any of it would
end up
on your clothes for long enough to cause concerns for your other cats. 

I give Ember the recommended dose of DMG from Vetri-Science' packaging.
I think it's .5 ml. Not sure about that. I've read that, for FeLV+ cats,
the dose
should be doubled. I only read that one place, though, so I haven't
followed through.

For Transfer Factor, I think you'd be best served by contacting the
company, 4Life. 
The web site is: 

I don't know if I said this, but with diarrhea, I've given Ember raw
canned pumpkin
(NOT pumpkin pie filler). She will just eat it up, without even stirring
it into food. 
I've been told that the best way to give pumpkin is to stir a tablespoon
(or so) into
canned food. 

I hope Milli's diarrhea goes away soon, and that the other FeLV+ cats
are able
to fight off the virus.

Best,

Lance

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:03:14 -0700, "whocares whocares"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> Hi,
> Firstly, thankyou to everyone who responded and for the advice thusfar.
> Milli's diahrea is getting better with Neorase and probiotics, etc..
> I've gotten 5 of the 7 new ones tested and they've all come back FeLV+. 5
> are housed together and the other 2 are each in their own rooms. I have 8
> immune challenged cats of my own (some of which are permanent fosters)
> and am a little worried now. 
> What precautions do I have to take? Is FeLV extremely contagious? My
> dishwasher has a sani cycle which I've been using. Does sanitizing kill
> the virus? Is it easily spread on clothes? How close does the contact
> have to be between cats? How long does the virus live outside the body?
> Lance, how much DMG do you give? I have some for my HCM kitty. 
> I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Does anyone know where I can get
> Transfer Factor? No naturpath, etc. here seems to have heard of it.
> I'm way over my head here. Please give me as much advice (even if it
> sounds simple) as you can.
> Thanks
> El
>  
> _
> 
-- 
  Lance Linimon
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

more bad news

[Lynne]

Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne

Re: more bad news

[Kelley Saveika]

Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It
is called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97%
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in
FIP.
Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html



If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive
for coronavirus titers.



On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
> cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There
> was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There
> was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood
> vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and
> at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain
> his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is
> finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
> fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more
> frequently then we will have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face
> for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we
> can but it isn't looking too good at the moment.  The vet said they had
> another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He
> said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is
> near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies
> but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband
> and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
> criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and
> vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a
> lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering
> consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
>
> Lynne
>



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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

  This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

  Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


  If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



   
  On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne



  -- 
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

  http://www.rescuties.org

  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

  http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

  Please help Clarissa!

  http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart

  http://www.change.org/rescuties 

RE: more bad news

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as
Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the
tests only show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is
present in huge numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has
to mutate to become FIP and make them ill, and it usually only happens
in cats that are genetically predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not
saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, just that unless the specific test
Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis can be inaccurate.  The
general wisdom is that FIP can only really be accurately diagnosed by
necropsy.  
 
That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both
of you and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more bad news


I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for
it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested
positive and all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal
that he has it.  Don't I wish there could have been an error but I'm at
the point where I have to accept where this is going.  I just want to
keep him unstressed and comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug
that can repair all his blood vessels I'm screwed.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika   
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news

Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There
*is* an FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know
about it.  It is called Rivalta's test:
 
This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it
can be very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled
with distilled water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this
mixture one drop of effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test
is negative. If the drop retains its shape, the test is positive.  A
negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive
test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html

 

If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will
test positive for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.
BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline
leukemia.  There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to
do for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and
fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do
is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of
life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and
keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a
day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will
have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and
do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't
looking too good at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo
has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I
don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm
trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and
I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and
vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like
me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 

Lynne




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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

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Re: more bad news

[laurieskatz]

I am so sorry. I was afraid it was FIP. My friend did this for her kitty (lung 
drain). He went along for awhile. His littermate never got FIP.
Pls also check into animal cruelty laws to see if they have violated any of 
those. Wonder if the other cats are sick, too.
REMEMBER~ there is a reason you came to love BooBoo and a reason he came to 
you. This bond you have from caring for him will make losing him harder but 
thank goodness he's not outside suffering.
You and Bob are his earth angels,
Laurie
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
  Subject: more bad news


  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne

Re: more bad news

[laurieskatz]

right right. I forgot this.
Ask your vet?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM
  Subject: RE: more bad news


  Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as 
Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the tests only 
show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in huge 
numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has to mutate to become FIP 
and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are genetically 
predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, 
just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis 
can be inaccurate.  The general wisdom is that FIP can only really be 
accurately diagnosed by necropsy.  

  That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both of you 
and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.

  Diane R.



--
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne



-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20

http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Please help Clarissa!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart

http://www.change.org/rescuties 
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Re: more bad news

[MaryChristine]

FIRST OF ALL: NO ONE ON THIS LIST IS TO CROSSPOST ANYTHING I WRITE, OR
HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PAST, ANYWHERE ELSE, WITHOUT MY WRITTEN PERMISSION.

please please keep loivng him and doing everything you can, but if the test
was sent to antech labs for their foolproof FIP test, you need to know that
it is just another titre test and tho the lab (and way too many vets) claim
that it can tell the mutating strain of FeCoV from the non, there is no
independent research to back that up.

thank you for sending that link, kelley, i didn't realize that marvista had
put up the info on the rivalta test! UC Davis has been doing a lot of
research on the realitiies of FIP, and unfortunately, the same thing is true
with FIP as with FIV and FeLV--ie, those of us who actually deal with the
viruses too often know about advances in research and treatment YEARS before
the veterinary professionals do. sad, sad.





On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  right right. I forgot this.
> Ask your vet?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM
> *Subject:* RE: more bad news
>
> Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as
> Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the tests
> only show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in
> huge numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has to mutate to
> become FIP and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are
> genetically predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not saying that BooBoo
> doesn't have FIP, just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is
> performed, the diagnosis can be inaccurate.  The general wisdom is that FIP
> can only really be accurately diagnosed by necropsy.
>
> That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both of
> you and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.
>
> Diane R.
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lynne
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: more bad news
>
>  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for
> it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive
> and all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.
> Don't I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I
> have to accept where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and
> comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his
> blood vessels I'm screwed.
>
> Lynne
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: more bad news
>
> Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP
> test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It
> is called Rivalta's test:
>
> This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be
> very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled
> water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of
> effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop
> retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97%
> accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in
> FIP.
> Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html
>
>
>
> If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive
> for coronavirus titers.
>
>
>
> On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
> > cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There
> > was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There
> > was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood
> > vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and
> > at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain
> > his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is
> > finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
> > fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more
> > frequently then we will have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face
> > for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we
> > can but it isn't looking too good at the moment.  The vet said they had
> > another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He
> > said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is
> > near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies
> > but 

RE: more bad news

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Lynne:
Join [EMAIL PROTECTED] now.  This is most likely what my Brumley died from, if 
you want to go back and read my posts from the archives.  FIP is complicated 
and very very very difficult for, shall I say, run-of-the-mill vets to 
diagnose.  So you need this group's support and expertise now.  Some people on 
this site have had experience with FIP, but the real knowledgeable people are 
on this yahoo group.  I am a member.  One of the current theories is that it 
may actually be vaccination or over vaccination and/or vaccination of an 
already immune compromised cat that causes the corona virus to mutate into FIP 
in an individual cat.  It's an inappropriate immune response.  Some people 
think there's been an influx of recent FIP cases and they are looking into the 
pet food recalls and poisonings of late as a possible contributing 
factor/cause, hence the tie in with the importance of a great diet which the 
FIP group seems to be leading the charge on.
 
I too when thru the same thing of wanting to blame someone with Brumley, 
however, right now there is just not enough known about FIP and there seems to 
be so many inexplicable things and unknown, maybe even not preventable factors 
that could cause it.  There's just so many unknowns.  So all you can really do 
for now is join this yahoo group and I promise, you will immediately gets lots 
of support and answers if you start asking questions right away.
 
caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: more bad newsDate: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 
15:45:05 -0500



Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne
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Re: more bad news

[Sherry DeHaan]

Lynne I am so sorry to hear about BooBoo having FIP.Poor boy.I am so glad he 
has the two of you to love him.If I were you I would definitely sue those 
CRIMINALS! And try to get them for the vet bills too.Good luck to you and 
Boo.give him kisses from me.
  Sherry

Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has
 been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know 
if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be 
realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad 
about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied 
to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch 
lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  
I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
   
  Lynne


   
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RE: more bad news

[Caroline Kaufmann]

God, that is SO true MC- about the vets being the last to know!  I 
keep saying that to ANYONE who will listen!  I finally made up a handout that I 
plan to give out to all adoptive parents that adopt directly from me with 
website links to catinfo.org (about feeding your cat and the importance of a 
species-appropriate diet)-- b/c I at least want them to know WHY I am insisting 
they buy the most expensive canned food (Wellness) in the store- and also the 
wholehealth website and the raw food website.  I am not feeding raw (yet)- not 
quite there yet.  If I had one cat- for sure, but with fosters and all the cat 
juggling- it's too hard.  So, I want to give my adoptive parents the 
information so they can look at it directly themselves and I bet some of them 
will eventually go the raw route-- I've been lucky and have had some very 
progressive, intelligent, and well-off adoptive parents take my fosters!  Very 
lucky.  I am hoping that better diets for cats will have them living longer, 
not get diabetes or CRF, coming down with Dry FIP later in life, etc., so I am 
trying to push my agenda behind the scenes.  I don't want my adoptive cat 
parents to get pressured by their vet into feeding their cats Science Diet 
kibble or something, so I have been flat out telling them: "you need to do your 
own research, join some cat care online groups, etc. and make an informed 
decision with all that information and not just rely solely on what your vet 
says b/c when it comes to diet and nutrition (and obviously the retroviruses), 
some of them are the last to hear about the latest research and developments!"  
Since I spend time at the store a lot, I have random people there shopping for 
food who ask me "expert" ?'s about feeding their cat-- a young girl with an 8 
mo Maine Coon whom the breeder said to feed it mostly SD Kitten kibble for a 
whole year, and the girl said the cat is already 15 lbs-- so she wanted to know 
what I thought?  I was like, oh my god, I get to push my agenda to a rapt 
audience!  But d*nmed if I didn't have any informational sheets printed up yet 
(I do now) and I am going to carry them with me every where I go from now on!
 
caroline 
 
 


Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:53:22 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: more bad newsFIRST OF ALL: NO ONE ON THIS LIST IS TO 
CROSSPOST ANYTHING I WRITE, OR HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PAST, ANYWHERE ELSE, WITHOUT 
MY WRITTEN PERMISSION.please please keep loivng him and doing everything 
you can, but if the test was sent to antech labs for their foolproof FIP test, 
you need to know that it is just another titre test and tho the lab (and way 
too many vets) claim that it can tell the mutating strain of FeCoV from the 
non, there is no independent research to back that up. thank you for sending 
that link, kelley, i didn't realize that marvista had put up the info on the 
rivalta test! UC Davis has been doing a lot of research on the realitiies of 
FIP, and unfortunately, the same thing is true with FIP as with FIV and 
FeLV--ie, those of us who actually deal with the viruses too often know about 
advances in research and treatment YEARS before the veterinary professionals 
do. sad, sad.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


right right. I forgot this.
Ask your vet?


- Original Message - 
From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 



Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: more bad news

Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as Kelley 
says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the tests only show 
the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in huge numbers of 
cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has to mutate to become FIP and make 
them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are genetically predisposed 
for this mutation.  I'm not saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, just that 
unless the specific test Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis can be 
inaccurate.  The general wisdom is that FIP can only really be accurately 
diagnosed by necropsy.  
 
That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both of you 
and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LynneSent: 
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad news

I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@f

Re: more bad news

[dede hicken]

Lynne, I am truly so sorry for things being as they
are.  Those who responded to your post are more than
correct.  There is no test for FIP.  (except the one
Kelly talked about...I dunno) Vets use a titre, and
they add up all the clinical symptoms and guess. 
Almost all cats will test + for the corona virus. 
Even if the former owners did really vaccinate, if the
cat had been exposed, it wouldn't have made any
difference.

We believe, but do not KNOW if that is what got our
precious felv baby Ki last year.  His fluid was in the
addoman, and he already had liver damage.

I am told there is a group for FIP.  Anyone know
anything?  You think vets are negative about felv? 
Just ask about FIP.  I honestly don't know the odds
here, but you are doing everything and more for
BooBoo.  He knows he is loved and is grateful for you
both.  God bless you all.

Dede



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well just when you think it can't get any worse it
> does.  BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has
> FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no
> bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do
> for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just
> protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are
> leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
> comfortable and at this point it is all about
> quality of life.  He will continue to drain his
> lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
> antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once
> a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
> fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the
> fluid drained more frequently then we will have to
> do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our
> dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with
> us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good
> at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
> this week that tested positive for FIP but not
> leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double
> blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't
> know if the Factor stuff will make it here before
> Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and
> face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly
> sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
> criminals who owned him and lied to me about his
> being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top
> notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
> would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously
> considering consulting with one of them when this
> tragedy is over.
> 
> Lynne
> 


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Re: more bad news

[Pat Kachur]

I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had leukemia, 
too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the fluid was 
strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  My vet says 
that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine both had, 
results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  My 
kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and I 
had them put down.  

My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no test 
that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal action 
against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any kind 
of animal!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne



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RE: more bad news

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Lynne: Definitely join the Yahoo FIP Group- link I sent already.  You will 
learn from them the difference btw wet and dry FIP, ways to diagnosis (actual 
testing of fluid (the "effusion") is better than just a blood titer test- but 
still not 100%- 100% is still only on necropsy any vet that will tell you 
otherwise is probably not in the know).  Unfortunately, with FIP, altho you 
feel like you are alone on an island, you aren't and you aren't "reinventing 
the wheel" when it comes to diagnosis and treatment.  Sadly, thousands of 
people have dealt with it before and have experience with your particular 
issues that BooBoo is facing.  Trust me.  It's overwhelming the support and 
insight you will get from this group.  It has a very very active membership.  
 
caroline 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad newsDate: Wed, 27 Feb 
2008 17:13:01 -0500



I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had leukemia, 
too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the fluid was 
strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  My vet says 
that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine both had, 
results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  My 
kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and I 
had them put down.  
 
My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no test 
that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.
 
Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal action 
against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any kind 
of animal!!

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news

I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news

Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP test 
which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is called 
Rivalta's test:
 
This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.
Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html
 
If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive for 
coronavirus titers.  
 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a 
time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty 
life!http://www

Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

I just joined Caroline.  Thank you
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:22 PM
  Subject: RE: more bad news


  Lynne: Definitely join the Yahoo FIP Group- link I sent already.  You will 
learn from them the difference btw wet and dry FIP, ways to diagnosis (actual 
testing of fluid (the "effusion") is better than just a blood titer test- but 
still not 100%- 100% is still only on necropsy any vet that will tell you 
otherwise is probably not in the know).  Unfortunately, with FIP, altho you 
feel like you are alone on an island, you aren't and you aren't "reinventing 
the wheel" when it comes to diagnosis and treatment.  Sadly, thousands of 
people have dealt with it before and have experience with your particular 
issues that BooBoo is facing.  Trust me.  It's overwhelming the support and 
insight you will get from this group.  It has a very very active membership.  
   
  caroline 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more bad news
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:13:01 -0500


I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had 
leukemia, too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the 
fluid was strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  
My vet says that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine 
both had, results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  
My kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and 
I had them put down.  

My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no 
test that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal 
action against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any 
kind of animal!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for 
it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and 
all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't 
I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to 
accept where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and 
comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood 
vessels I'm screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an 
FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It 
is called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be 
very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled 
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of 
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop 
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% 
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html
 
If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test 
positive for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My

Re: more bad news

[Gloria Lane]

I'm so sorry.  BooBoo's lucky to have you, but you must be so very  
awfully sad.. Hope the Transfer Factor makes it soon.


Gloria


On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lynne wrote:

Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's  
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.   
There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for  
him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres,  
because his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is  
make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of  
life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and  
keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once  
a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he  
becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently  
then we will have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for  
our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as  
we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment.  The vet said  
they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but  
not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and  
unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff  
will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic  
here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad  
about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned  
him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We have  
several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and  
would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering  
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.


Lynne

Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

Thank you Gloria.  It's been a bad day, that's all.
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gloria Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I'm so sorry.  BooBoo's lucky to have you, but you must be so very awfully 
sad.. Hope the Transfer Factor makes it soon.


  Gloria




  On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lynne wrote:


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne

Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

I've been doing a lot of reading tonight Pat and it would appear that a 
diagnosis of FIP is one of those differential diagnoses, the vet goes by a 
collection of symptoms and makes the call.  I'm wondering at this point if it 
even matters.  I don't plan to change the way we're doing things or go looking 
for some snake oil treatment.  I'm just gonna concentrate on diet, quiet and 
happiness.  I now have an inkling of what you good people have gone through and 
somehow there must be something good come out of this experience.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Pat Kachur 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:13 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had 
leukemia, too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the 
fluid was strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  
My vet says that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine 
both had, results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  
My kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and 
I had them put down.  

  My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no 
test that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

  Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal 
action against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any 
kind of animal!!
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an 
FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It 
is called Rivalta's test:

  This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be 
very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled 
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of 
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop 
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% 
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

  Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


  If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test 
positive for coronavirus titers.  



   
  On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne



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Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

Yeah Dede I think he knows we love him.  Bob wrapped him up in his coat and
took him for a walk outside this afternoon.  He said Boo enjoyed it.
Reminds me when my mom was dying and I would wheel her around the
neighborhood at the nursing home.  Geez this stinks.  Then the people at the
pharmacy came over to my office today wanting pictures of BooBoo and Lennie
for a collage the pharmacist is making of their "Furry Customers".  I
started to bawl thinking I would see that collage every day after he's gone.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


> Lynne, I am truly so sorry for things being as they
> are.  Those who responded to your post are more than
> correct.  There is no test for FIP.  (except the one
> Kelly talked about...I dunno) Vets use a titre, and
> they add up all the clinical symptoms and guess.
> Almost all cats will test + for the corona virus.
> Even if the former owners did really vaccinate, if the
> cat had been exposed, it wouldn't have made any
> difference.
>
> We believe, but do not KNOW if that is what got our
> precious felv baby Ki last year.  His fluid was in the
> addoman, and he already had liver damage.
>
> I am told there is a group for FIP.  Anyone know
> anything?  You think vets are negative about felv?
> Just ask about FIP.  I honestly don't know the odds
> here, but you are doing everything and more for
> BooBoo.  He knows he is loved and is grateful for you
> both.  God bless you all.
>
> Dede
>
>
>
> --- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Well just when you think it can't get any worse it
> > does.  BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has
> > FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no
> > bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do
> > for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just
> > protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are
> > leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
> > comfortable and at this point it is all about
> > quality of life.  He will continue to drain his
> > lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
> > antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once
> > a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
> > fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the
> > fluid drained more frequently then we will have to
> > do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our
> > dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with
> > us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good
> > at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
> > this week that tested positive for FIP but not
> > leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double
> > blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't
> > know if the Factor stuff will make it here before
> > Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and
> > face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly
> > sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
> > criminals who owned him and lied to me about his
> > being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top
> > notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
> > would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously
> > considering consulting with one of them when this
> > tragedy is over.
> >
> > Lynne
> >
>
>
> "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the
service of your God"
>Mosiah 2:17
>
>
>


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Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

That's kind of a dismal thought Diane isn't it.  You only know you have the 
disease after it kills you !!  
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:27 PM
  Subject: RE: more bad news


  Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as 
Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the tests only 
show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in huge 
numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has to mutate to become FIP 
and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are genetically 
predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, 
just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis 
can be inaccurate.  The general wisdom is that FIP can only really be 
accurately diagnosed by necropsy.  

  That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both of you 
and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.

  Diane R.



--
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne



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Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

Laurie, I'm sure the other cats were sick or going to be sick but they were 
selling them all and had buyers lined up.  I just hope to god they had the 
decency to tell the new owners of what possibly could be.  But you have to 
understand, these people think I gave this disease to BooBoo.  They were agast 
when I emailed them with the results of the original testing.  They said he had 
always been healthy and happy and that I should get another opinion, which I 
did three times, and that there was something wrong with me to believe the vet.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:37 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I am so sorry. I was afraid it was FIP. My friend did this for her kitty 
(lung drain). He went along for awhile. His littermate never got FIP.
  Pls also check into animal cruelty laws to see if they have violated any of 
those. Wonder if the other cats are sick, too.
  REMEMBER~ there is a reason you came to love BooBoo and a reason he came to 
you. This bond you have from caring for him will make losing him harder but 
thank goodness he's not outside suffering.
  You and Bob are his earth angels,
  Laurie

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: more bad news


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne

Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

BooBoo is tired of me kissing him to pieces Sherry.  Even the vets kiss him on 
the head before we leave.  He's such a little hero.  I'm gonna think of 
something for the previous owners when this is over.  Nothing illegal mind you 
!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  Lynne I am so sorry to hear about BooBoo having FIP.Poor boy.I am so glad he 
has the two of you to love him.If I were you I would definitely sue those 
CRIMINALS! And try to get them for the vet bills too.Good luck to you and 
Boo.give him kisses from me.
  Sherry

  Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: more bad news

[Belinda Sauro]

Any vet that tells you this is a quack ... period


he has FIP
FIP can ONLY be diagnosed with an autopsy so Boo will not get treated 
now for what he really has, I hate vets that tell people that.   There 
are many things that mimic FIP, but once the dreaded FIP word is 
mentioned the cat is doomed to die because the vet looks no further.  It 
sounds to me like your vet is tired of trying to figure out how to treat 
Boo and this is his way out ... so sad for Boo ...


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Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

Well if it isn't FIP, what could it possibly be ?  And if it isn't, and there 
is no bacterial infection in the sample sent off is it just another 
complication of feline leukemia? What kind of treatment is there for 
accumulation of fluid on the lungs other than what we're doing now.  The vet 
told me today this is the second case like this he's seen this week.  I 
truthfully don't believe these vets would deliberately withhold any kind of 
treatment if they thought it would work.  They know that we are prepared to try 
just about anything that would possibly be helpful to him.  I don't plan to 
give up on the little guy and am still reading up on other treatments but 
everything I have read so far says these animals are doomed.  I have yet to 
come across any medical information that says they can live a long and healthy 
life.  I'm not giving up on the Interferon or Prednisolone.  I also can't be 
putting this poor animal through weekly lung aspirations forever.  I can see 
complications arising from that as well.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda Sauro 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news



  Any vet that tells you this is a quack ... period


he has FIP
  FIP can ONLY be diagnosed with an autopsy so Boo will not get treated now for 
what he really has, I hate vets that tell people that.   There are many things 
that mimic FIP, but once the dreaded FIP word is mentioned the cat is doomed to 
die because the vet looks no further.  It sounds to me like your vet is tired 
of trying to figure out how to treat Boo and this is his way out ... so sad for 
Boo ...

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Re: more bad news

[Belinda Sauro]

   Lynne,
  What is his lasix dose?  Have you asked about being on spiro, darn I 
can't think of the name but it is used with lasix if lasix isn't doing 
the trick.  I belong to a feline heart group and many cats are on it 
with lasix, it worked when lasix alone didn't.  Is the fluid in his 
lungs or outside his lungs?  I'm asking questions on the vet list I'm on 
maybe they'll see something here everyone is missing.


What exactly does your vet mean by his blood vessels are leaking, I seem 
to remember my vet mentioning something like this when Bailey was anemic 
that this was possible, I don't remember what she called it.


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OT - Cat enclosures

[Kelley Saveika]

Boy, am I jealous of these people!  One day I hope we can have a setup like
this one!

http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures-2.htm

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RE: more questions and thankyou

[Dorothy Noble]

Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several places that 
you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a + cat has been 
where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you should wait 30 days 
after your + cat is gone before you should introduce a new negative cat into 
the household.
   
  Armond (my 9 yr old + kitty) was infected by a stray we brought in (and 
sadfully neglected to have tested.)  Armond was always super healthy and had 
ALWAYS been vaccinated.  My more fragile diabetic did NOT test positive - Go 
figure!  I had them all retested after 12 weeks and those tests were consistent 
with the first one!
   
  When we brought Preston home, he seemed to have diarrhea for a long time.  (I 
am sure that part of it was due to the changing of his food, even though it was 
done gradually).  I just kept mixing his wet food with lots of water to make 
sure that he got plenty of fluids and he is so much better now.  He has only 
been with us for about 6 weeks and he came from a HUGE shelter so I am not sure 
how long he had the diarrhea.  
   
  I know it IS overwhelming...still learning about it too.  We just went 
through our first "sickness" when Armond got calicivirus.  (A respiratory thing 
that settled in his mouth as nasty sores.)  That lasted 5 weeks!  
   
  Good luck with your friends!

whocares whocares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Firstly, thankyou to everyone who responded and for the advice thusfar. Milli's 
diahrea is getting better with Neorase and probiotics, etc..
I've gotten 5 of the 7 new ones tested and they've all come back FeLV+. 5 are 
housed together and the other 2 are each in their own rooms. I have 8 immune 
challenged cats of my own (some of which are permanent fosters) and am a little 
worried now. 
What precautions do I have to take? Is FeLV extremely contagious? My dishwasher 
has a sani cycle which I've been using. Does sanitizing kill the virus? Is it 
easily spread on clothes? How close does the contact have to be between cats? 
How long does the virus live outside the body?
Lance, how much DMG do you give? I have some for my HCM kitty. 
I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Does anyone know where I can get Transfer 
Factor? No naturpath, etc. here seems to have heard of it.
I'm way over my head here. Please give me as much advice (even if it sounds 
simple) as you can.
Thanks
El

 

  
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Re: update: Athena

[Dorothy Noble]

I have to agree with Laurie.  When Armond was left as the last cat standing, I 
just couldn't bear for him to be alone.  (I think that cats can be solitary but 
I know how much Armond LOVES to have a friend.  Someone to groom and sleep with 
and wrestle with...)
   
  So, I set out on a long search to find him another positive kitty friend.  
And, I found one - he is Preston and he is such a doll.  I could not bear the 
thought of infecting another cat by bringing in one who was negative, when 
there are so many positive cats who are unadoptable out there.  Preston's first 
family had to give him up when he tested positive due to their other cats - it 
was so wonderful to be able to tell them that we had rescued Preston and that 
he had a happy home.  
   
  The sanctuary where Preston was living has an entire room (old church 
building) with about 40 positive kitties.  No one had ever adopted a cat from 
there - not ever, until we got Preston.  Even though his life may not be as 
long as other cats, I know that his life will be good and so will Armond's and 
so will mine!
   
  Good luck with your decision...

laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV 
negative cat as the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is 
shed via body fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc. 
   
  A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6 years 
and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~ she 
mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false 
positive).  SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want to 
make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is important 
that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out. 
   
  You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who lived 
very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a "carrier". He was never sick. 
Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died. So, I adopted 3 
(unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you know. Keisha was age 
unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one of the young ones died 
6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and asthma within the first year 
after I adopted him and was sick his entire life. Coco, the other young'un is 
still with me but has had 2 instances where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a 
rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost most of his vision a year ago at age 9 
and was diagnosed with pancreatitis which it seems he has conquered. Keisha 
died last summer, completely unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess 
I am giving examples of how we just never know. With my newest group (which 
grew to 7), I was sure Keihsa would die first
 because she was oldestnot so. 
   
  If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just me 
and by no means the "right" answer! Athena may never have a symptom. Squeaky 
didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt another cat only 
because he was already older when Stripes died and he was so upset when Stripes 
died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never was.
   
  Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you.
  Laurie
   
   
   
  - Original Message - 
From: Beth Gouldin 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM
  Subject: update: Athena
  

Hi all
So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the 
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just 
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - 
she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to 
get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we 
just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + 
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak 
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but 
this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just 
die any time.   
Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always elect to 
get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing 
in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk 
of exposing another cat to this.  
Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
Thanks for listening :}

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!! 



   
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